Eric Holder's picture should be on the wanted poster also.

If you all bothered to really educate yourself about this subject you might just be dangerous.

Why don't you educate us instead of making a useless comment?

Busted link mygirl1, here ya go

http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/search?q=debunking+maddow+lies

All this time I thought I was the only one who watched her show that day.

They sealed the indictments months ago, no mention of why. Now, magically, they are unsealed and suddenly, ta da, there is that million dollar award offered and brave and noble Holder is 'going after those bad guys.' Like this couldn't have happened months ago? Perhaps he was hoping that the Obama media would push a strong enough blackout on the story? Twist and spin it enough to make it go away? Nevermind the deaths, this is an election year.

SD

Do you have a valid point?

elliot: Muchos gracias. I watched it for as long as I could stand. Bill Maher? Please. I have friends in both the Border Patrol and the Texas Rangers. You don't want to know what they think about Holder.

Do you?

when is ILLEGAL DRUGS commerce?

When the government is doing it.

You can find many, many sources: http://www.ciadrugs.com/

http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/cia_drug_trafficking.htm

or just type "cia drug trafficking" or "us govt drug dealing" in Google and read countless ones.

The War on Drugs is a sham, always has been. And now with US Prisons for Profit System (see "american prisons for profit" in Google search for countless stories there) the "war" will only accelerate as police and politicians demand we jail more and more users to "win the war".

But most of you will do zero research for the truth and just parrot sound bites you hear from the mainstream propaganda machines called "news", blather on about how you hate "so and sos" because they're "such and such" and think somehow adding them to the Prisons for Profit scheme is a magical solution.

These massive crimes can only take place with a largely deluded and apathetic populace whose main ambitions in life are junk food and endless hours of idiotic TV which poisons the mind like junk food poisons the body.

jdmbo3: It's called deflection...

mygirl1, did you ever think maybe they kept them sealed because they were trying to find the other 5 criminals? You have no idea what goes on in the DOJ, because of people like you, who jump to conclusions on every Fox, or Hannity,et al, therory put out there to distract or attack the Atty. General of the US, Mr. Holder. Most of us silent majority are really getting tired of the same old, false attacks, on anyone who is a Dem, or works for our President. And we don't buy any of it anymore, none. So, rant on, make fools out of yourselves, and we will silently watch as the right selfdestructs.

Our president says it all. Cognitive dissonance at its finest. You would support 'your' president regardless of facts because, well, he's your president, by golly. As to the silent minority, how much of this story did you get on MSNBC? Kudoes for ignorance, and, BTW, it was CBS WHO FIRST BROKE THE STORY. Now, go back to MSNBC, they have many stories about the radiance that is Obama.

As to sealed documents, they sealed said documents even though they knew who the other perps were. Rest assured that they could have gone after them months ago.

That Holder is something else. He's lied repeatedly to the oversight committee, refused to release all of the requested documents, went crying to Obama who issued Executive Privilege for their CYA and never apologized to the Terry family. Now he's suddenly gung-ho to convict those who were involved in the murder of Terry? It's all about he's running scared and trying to out-maneuver the oversight committee. So typically liberal. He should be put on trial with those 5 accused, for aiding and abetting and accessory after the fact.

"We will stop at nothing to bring those responsible for his murder to justice," Attorney General Eric Holder said in a statement. "Today's announcement reflects the department's unrelenting commitment to finding and arresting the other individuals responsible for this horrific tragedy so that Agent Terry's family, friends and fellow law enforcement agents receive the justice they deserve."

So does that mean HIS name is at the top of the list? Obama will order him to release the documents?

A majority of Americans approve of the House vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, according to a CNN/ORC survey released Monday.

53 percent of respondents looked favorably upon the rebuke of Holder’s unwillingness to hand over documents related to the Fast and Furious gun-walking program

69 percent, said that the president should stop invoking executive privilege over the documents and “answer all questions.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78235.html#ixzz20AzQYdhb

SHAME SHAME SHAME! Nancy Pelosi doesn’t even know Brian Terry’s name! But they sure know Trayvon Martin’s name!

Hey Mike!!

Eric Holder is guilty of accessory to many murders, not the least of which were two border patrol agents. And the DOJ won't prosecute. Gee, are we surprised? Once Odumbo is gone and a real AG is appointed, Holder is in deep doo doo. It can't come too soon. I'm just surprised that all democrats see no problem with the government running guns to the cartels and the murders of US agents. Says a lot about dems doesn't it?

CuomgDNguyen, So you mean that everytime I purchased a gun, even at a gun show, I didn't actually have to fill out paperwork and provide photo ID or have proper purchasing documentation for the guns I bought? Don't I feel stupid. When's the last time you purchased a firearm at a gun show or a legitimate dealer and not out of some guy's trunk?

FYI, I get my news for ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NBC, etc. Yes, I visit those sources regularly and form my opinions accordingly...emphasis on opinions. Each and every media site has a political agenda, some more that others. If would say FOX leans more to the right and MSNBC/NBC/CBS more to the left. ABC and CNN to the left of center but not absolutely far left. So if you are being indoctrinated by any one media source, you are probably biased. That said, from the onset of this administrations use of "czars", I think it's high time for these US czars to go the way of the Russian Czars.

I can tell them where to find the other fugitives. 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Now where's my million bucks?

I guess this guy forgot to pay Obama his campaign contributions for the guns, so Holder finally went after him.

I am surprised this story ran on MSNBC.

Are they turning on their Messiah? *gasp*!

System's Down

It became legal around the time G.W. Bush and Cheney illegally started a war with Iraq so that Bush could defend his father's honor

Yeah, your system is down alright…so by your book, 2 wrongs make a right?

A lot of the anti-war/anti-Bush crowd is saying that the Bush administration lied about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. Well, if they're going to claim that the Bush administration lied, then there sure are a lot of other people, including quite a few prominent Democrats, who have told the same "lies" since the inspectors pulled out of Iraq in 1998. Here are just a few examples that prove that the Bush administration didn't lie about weapons of mass destruction...

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/demsonwmds.php

Terry was shot and killed in the gunfire.

The defendants illegally entered the United States from Mexico to rob drug traffickers of their contraband, according to the indictment.

So WHY won't Holder and Obama enforce FEDERAL immigration laws? Why must Arizona be forced to endure, support and defend their state? Moreover, why are they forced to endure a lawsuit filed by Holder and Obama?

Joe Veteran: The indictments were first released and then sealed on Nov. 23, 2011. Terry was murdered Dec. 14, 2010. They shot one assailant, who later confessed that he and his partners were 'stalking border patrol.' The murder of Terry happened on US soil and guns found at the scene were traced back to Fast and Furious. Prior to the indictment being sealed, the information contained therein stated that 'illegals were hunting border patrol agents and when encountered, had their weapons at the ready.' Now, several interesting facts here. Number one, when did the DOJ go after AZ? How often has Napolitano claimed that the borders were secure? Nov. 2011 the indictment was sealed, however, initial release to the press contained certain facts not too favorable to the Administration's stance on illegal immigration.

If you wish to defend Obama that is your perogative, if you wish to find my posts 'humorous' that is also your perogative. I imagine you also think the death of Brian Terry is funny, the fact that armed illegals are stalking agents of the US government is hilarious and the realization that armed thugs of the illegal persuasion are inside soverign territory, killing Americans while Obama's administration claims the border is secure, must leave you rolling on the floor laughing your a$$ off.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/22/armed-illegals-stalked-border-patrol

Starsailing: Just as an FYI, the NRA does not legislate law. There is no such thing as 'lax NRA gun laws.' There are no NRA gun laws in existence. Repeat, the NRA is not a legislative body, it cannot, by law, create laws. It is the US Congress who has that power.

Cuong: Perhaps you should research the part about the gun dealers who contacted the BATF about 'suspicious' gun buyers. They called to inform the ATF that criminals were attempting to buy guns and the ATF told them to GO AHEAD AND SELL THEM THE GUNS. Now, there are laws on the books, gun dealers and gun shows have to abide by those laws and if they don't they get into serious trouble. Repeat, the gun dealers were told by FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO SELL GUNS TO CRIMINALS.

You might also look into Obama's claims that 90% of all weapons used by the cartels came out of the US. Pay attention to when he gave that speech and then look at the Fast and Furious timeline, then pay attention to the UN Small Arms weapons ban treaty, Clinton signed it. Then you have Holder's anti-gun stance, he stated that Americans must be 'brainwashed' into giving up their guns.

Then look at where most of the weapons that the cartels are using are coming from. They come from El Salvadore, Guatemala and Honduras, generally sold from armed forces stashes.

What is really interesting about this whole non-scandal, was that the only BATF agent to purchase weapons to sell them to a gun runner was the "whistleblower." He was trying to take down his boss, and it backfired on him, because it was one of the guns that her purchased that was found at the scene of Agent Terry's murder.

Okie dokie, now who are the US prosecutors and who do they work for? DOJ? Now, think about something here, on the one hand you state that Federal Prosecutors told the ATF agents that there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute, next thing, voila, operation Fast and Furious, a sting. Note as well that not one BATF agent bought ANY weapons. Then, did you miss the 'no tracking devices?' Perhaps before you start mouthing you should research, and start with CBS. BTW: What is a left leaning loonie called?

@ mygirl1

Yes, I know about that, that's why I said the feds got wind of it. However, there is something you failed to understand. The feds said "ok" to continue the transaction, but you DO NOT require the feds authorization to order and sell massive amount of guns.

The fact is anyone can order a huge amount of guns is what ultimately the problem. What if the store owner didn't tell the feds? It happened before many times and that is why we have millions of guns walking each year.

NRA can't make the law, but they have power and money to lobby the laws in their favor.

Funny, just a couple weeks ago, many of you libs argued that Fast and Furious never happened

@ChasSD

Funny, I never heard what you just said. Sources?

Have any of you rwnj's checked to see when this type operation was started? Didn't think so, they were started under GWB. Check it out.

WOW.....just.....WOW !!!

Over a year and a half later and this Administration releases this information to the public.

Wait a minute.....the White House "MOLE" releases HIGHLY CLASSIFIED INFORMATION to the media almost immediately after a White House meeting.

So, releasing this information is nothing more than being POLITICAL.

Where is the article followup on the investigation about releasing the HIGHLY CLASSIFIED INFORMATION to the media ?

Nah, the Obama Campaign will continue with deflection Class Warfare articles, which is now TAXING the rich which, if it happens, would only run the Government for EIGHT and 1/2 DAYS.

The administration's sudden attempt at damage control in view of the public outrage over this case 4 months before the election is laughable.....and disgusting. Holder is a lowlife weasel who apparently believes that we are stupid enough to swallow this weak s**t!

The USA sends guns all over the world that kill thousands, and you want to wet your pants over one death, my aren't we choosy. Just face it, for many of you it is the hate of something that drives you and not justice. Your desire to nail somebody will just cost us tax payers billions, a few million for a BJ, countless billions to try and avenge daddy, I thought you guys hated government waste. The good all that money could have done for citizens who actually need help, would have been a noble endeavor, the kind of stuff that would actually make us look like a great nation... but, Nooooo!

Woody...are you playing with yourself?

What started under Bush ended in 2007. Obama administration started their operation in 2009; they own Fast and Furious lock, stock and barrel.

He is described as Mexican, then as white Hispanic. There's no such thing as a white Mexican.

DNA ! DNA ! DNA! DNA! DNA! DNA!

And the IRONY is that this guy will NEVER get the DEATH SENTENCE because MEXICO believes their people are better than everyone else in the world.

Where is the outrage from our soldiers that were killed by weapons supplied to the Afghanistan by our own military? The tragedy of the agent killed in the line of duty is terrible but so is the tragedy of our young men that were killed by guns given to the Afghanistan government. I see little difference.

All the right wing want to do it point their finger at the death of the agent for political reasons even though the weapon to Mexico was started by the Bush administration and continued under the present administration. Just as the war in Iraq and Afghanistan were started under Bush and continued under Obama.

GLTruscott

He is described as Mexican, then as white Hispanic. There's no such thing as a white Mexican.

Have you forgotten the Romney family that went to Mexico? Romney has relatives that were born and raised in Mexico and still live there. You people don't think before you speak.

Do those of you supporting Romney believe that he will allow all Mexicans the legal right to be U S citizens in honor of his family living there? No?? What would your opinion be if Romney were a Democrat instead of a Republican? Would you trust him then to do the right thing? Don't bother answering those because your bias will be showing as those were hypothetical questions. Just pointing out how politics is playing on your opinion of the "Fast and Furious" political football being kicked around.

Fact- Obama is stealing the future one lie at a time! Coming up at the end of this month is a vote on a treaty at the U.N. that will prohibit the sale of guns and ammunition to all individual citizens.

This effectually bypasses the second amendment to the constitution. A vote to ratify this treaty by our politicians will be an act of treason! Do you think anyone in government will try to prosecute them?

I suggest that every freedom loving American that love and believes in this nation and its constitution stand ready to protect our constitution by being ready to inflict the punishment that treason calls for

And WHERE is the indictment of the people that aided and abetted this crime by SUPPLYING THE FIREARMS?

If someone chooses to use a legal product in a criminal matter we don't prosecute the manufacturers, we prosecute the person for choosing to use that product in a manner that causes harm.

To all of you that are in outrage over the agent killed and aftermath of it, how do you feel about the Pat Tillman death and the Bush attempted coverup of that tragedy?

You act like "Fast and Furious", aka "Project Gunrunner" under Bush, is the only time something like this has ever happened. It has and always will be a government priority to keep the people in the dark as long as the FBI and the CIA are in business. Obama never started it, Bush never started it, and neither did Clinton but it's too big a monster to kill with one swing of the sword.

In early 2011, the (gunrunner) operation became controversial when it was revealed that Operation Fast and Furious and other probes under Project Gunrunner had allowed guns to "walk" into the hands of Mexican drug cartels since as early as 2006.

The ATF began Project Gunrunner as a pilot project in Laredo, Texas, in 2005 and expanded it as a national initiative in 2006. Project Gunrunner is also part of the Department of Justice’s broader Southwest Border Initiative, which seeks to reduce cross-border drug and firearms trafficking and the high level of violence associated with these activities on both sides of the border.

How convenient that the name was changed from Project Gunrunner under Bush to Fast and Furious under Obama with all problems past and present are now blamed on the present administration. Just like Iraq and Afghanistan. What difference does it really make which gun killer the agent? The gun walking operation was allowed to happen because people were allowed to go into some border state gun stores and buy as many guns of any type they wished without questions. It the way the people in those states wanted it so it was going to happen anyway with or without the ATF involved. In fact some of the agents that have been killed in the past could have been killed with guns bought in the same way before government involvement. "Border Patrol Agent Deaths have been an issue since they first started on an irregular basis in 1904 to stop illegal crossings. Since that time, 111 Border Patrol Agent deaths, in the line of duty, have been recorded.Since the year 2000, 21 Border Patrol Agents have died in the line of duty." Where's the outrage over their deaths? Oh wait, that was before Obama....never mind.

@ steve

Where were you when the Bush administration were lying and trampling all over the Constitution in his quest to avenge the Saddam attack on his daddy and holding American citizens without trial and wire tapping your phone lines while spying on you?

Wait a minute...didn't you say that "guns don't kill people--only people kill people?" Or now guns do kill people...which is it?

Excuses and deflection, next will come the race card, surprised it hasn't surfaced yet. Soooo, it is ok for Obama and Holder to do a Bush? Really? When do excuses stop illegal, immoral or downright dangerous government activity? Keep making excuses, let's not have any accountability, nope, let us allow criminal activity to continue.

Rather like the little kid going to his parent and excusing his actions because Bobby down the street did it so why can't he? Focus like a laser on anything EXCEPT for the events and actions, must make excuses so that bad behaviour is never called to task or prevented from happening in the future. Obama and his administration doing exactly what Bush did are given a pass because, well, because Bush did it. Never can understand that rationale, Bush did it and it was bad, Obama does it and it is OK. Double standards are the new normal?

Raddave: Wingnut? Again? Now, I don't refer you to as an a$$h*le, or use other insults of that nature, the COH says that such things are improper so I don't do that. When you have to devolve into insults, your argument, whatever it may be, gets lost and reduced in importance.

a

When America supplied Mexico with guns to fight Nazi Germany, they prefered to stay at home or pick onions in California.

You actually believe that is is part of the Obama campaign to get reelected? Please explain how this case would do that. It doesn't matter what the POTUS does or doesn't do because people like you will always find something to whine about. Maybe you and your ilk would do a better job so why don't you make a concerted effort to get into position to do just that or are you more content sittingback and judging others?

Who are they trying to BS here.... our own USA government was involved in this..DEA,CIA,FBI,CONGRESS..they all knew!

Recall the Lt.Col. Oliver North and Iran-Contra????..They all knew then too!

Remember just after Gabby Gifford was shot and the huge gun sales that took off in Arizona. I remember. There were many articles about it. Especially about how straw buyers were at it fast and furious before there might be gun control and no sellor was tracking who was buying. The Feds knew but were told they could not question the buyers by the NRA and some crazy laws they had made. I knew this was going to happen. Doesn't anyone else remember???? tens of thousands of guns in Arizona (where there are too many manufactures) were sold. Guess where they went? It doesn't seem it was a Government conspiracy at all!

I do know our country sells to South America, Mexico and anywhere people will buy. Koch Bros.were even selling equipment to Iran for the Nuclear Program. But this surge, just after Gabbys shooting wasn't them.

A link or two would be helpful here. Asking that people 'remember' something without linking articles and stories or providing some 'facts' would help out your argument.

shooting-of-arizona-s-giffords.html

longislandpress.com/2011/01/31/bloomberg-conducts-gun-sale-sting-in-arizona/ (my postings aren't staying put.) one is about surge of gun sales and the other about a sting NY did in gun shops and new laws being passed for background checks and the repeated abuse. Blah,Blah. Surely anyone who really follows the news should remember.??

@ mygirl1..what the hell are you a twenty something? Most of what people are saying here is in the history books already from years ago..guess you skip those pages...and failed the test!

Nah, just wondering why liberals are always demanding 'facts' but if called to provide said facts all of a sudden facts are unnecessary. Giffords was shot twenty years ago? As to the gun sales and surges, nope, didn't catch that. Gun sales have shot through the roof since Obama was elected, perhaps because there is a concern that second amendment rights, like first and fourth amendment rights, will be legislated away. NDAA, Patriot Act II, AUMF anyone?

I have been waiting for a reply button son I could notify you that I am pressing the Ignore button. You are obviously a paid troll.

You can be sure that if Gabby Giffords had been shot with a firearm that had walked due to Fast and Furious, Democrats would expect answers from Eric Holder.

No conspiracy. Some media outlets have felt no need to report any news that might damage the administration. Ask them why.

I saw one of those criminals on some of the most expensive golf courses in the world! He lives in a big White House on Pennsylvania Ave in D.C.!!

Mikey, it is in ISSA'S hands, why is he not talking to the perps?....Because he is trying to do something else,...like they did to Clinton. Issa does not care about the murder and is not pursuing it.

trust_verify..(#2)..." Maybe we are sending a message to the newly elected Mexican Government?"

What message would that be ???......

The preferred candidate of the Narco-Terrorists is now the new Presidente de Mexico....It's back to the party before Vicente Fox and Felipe Calderón (2000 - 2012).....The Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) that ruled Mexico from 1928 to 2000 now runs the place again

Hillary is quite busy hitting the RESET button......all over the world...

Speak for yourself boy.

The preferred candidate of the Narco-Terrorists is now the new Presidente de Mexico...

I implied that. The message would be we won't chase you not arrest you or for that matter charge you for a freaking long time and you are free to cross the invisible line not only with impunity but immunity.

trust_verify...You implied....I missed it....The New Mexican Government will NEVER extradite these dirtbags still in Mexico.....They got elected to appease the cartels by not going after them...

It is a Capital Offence to kill a Federal Agent. The U.S. would have to certify that they won't seek the death penalty...This won't even be enough for the drug cartels behind the new Presidente....

Mike in Delray

Like I posted .... Our AGENTS may legally have to stop at the border but lead only obeys the laws of physics. Where feesable we need to clear a 1 mile DEAD zone. Mines smart sensors, concertina wire. If it moves shoot it. Once a year burn it clean to remove the bodies and declare it an active live fire range 24/7. Figure it will take about 1000 fatalities for them to get the message. Treat ALL illegal crossings as insurgents and enemy combatants. Cuba may get upset with all the people we send to Gitmo. If nothing else importation of unregistered goods is a clear and present danger to our economy.

Mike, you and trust are truely disgusting. First of all, Fox and Calderon, were the reason for the unabated violence in Mexico. They are the ones that lost control of their country. Secondly, trust, Yeah let's set up our border to be like North Korea's or how East Germany's was, and kill people for basically tresspassing.

Go NRA! Manufacture and sell to anywhere. Profit, profit off killing people and claim its your right to bear arms. I remember exactly when this happened. Just after Gabby Gifford was shot. The fast and furious sales were made when NRA was so scared there might be Gun control just after this.All the Gun shops were selling out and our Feds were told they couldn't question motives of the straw buyers. Now they try to blame it all one this administration? Issa was sent in to find out what info the Feds might have on them. Thats the only reason. I do blame our Government for not standing up to them and creating better Gun Control!!!!!

So Cuong, what are the laws like over there in Vietnam??

Guns kill people now? Thanks for new info!

Julea: The NRA doesn't manufacture firearms, nor do they legislate laws. Your time line is beyond skewed. Giffords was tragically shot Jan. 8, 2011, Fast and Furious got it's start, according to records on Oct. 26, 2009 and continued into 2011. Before making wild conjectures better to look at dates. Holder has always been anti-gun, Obama less obvious. Shortly after Obama was elected and Holder appointed AG, gun sales shot through the roof and are still doing so, perhaps because people figure that a president capable of destroying first and fourth amendment rights won't have a problem going after second amendment rights. NDAA, Patriot Act II are ALL Obama's doing, no Bush in sight. Also, under Obama, drones flying over the friendly skies of America, you know, those same drones used to kill 'terrorists' in Pakistan, are now flying over American civilians. Interesting how that escapes your notice. Even Bush wasn't that Bold.

Movie
The NRA supports legislation and those in Congress who support their agenda. They support the sale of guns with less restrictions on sales and the type of guns sold. guns sold to straw buyers and semi automatic weapons come to mind. So what you get is weak laws and dealers who support the NRA and they love each other. The the NRA, the gun dealers and manufacturers are attached at the hip. If someone questions semi automatic weapons or suggests more regulation, the NRA supports someone to run against them. Profit and greed is all it is.

The comment was directed to Mygirl not Movie

this new iPad changes words and I have to watch it.  It also puts in commas and the letter "m" in between words.  ???

Gotta love that new technology:) Frustrating. If you are new to newsvine, you don't get to post links for some odd reason. Just list the source (CBS) date and title of article or story.

Jennifer. where do you get your information that the NRA supports straw buyers? Do you know anything about the NRA? Sorry for you, but they DO NOT support straw buying. Don't just believe what some anti gun person tells you. Get a copy of the 1968 gun laws. It is so thick, it will take you some time to read it. the NRA supports it.

herb

Here is an article from the LA Times. I know that you want to defend your right to carry guns but when so many have died on both sides of the border from the gun sales and the drug sales, don't you think that it is time to take a good look at how all those guns got to the drug dealers and criminals? At some point, you have to say that the laws are not working and fill in the holes to protect our citizens.

http://www.latimes.com/na-guns10-2008aug10,0,3137040.story

And yours is the funniest comment of all ......Ha-Ha...LOL....not to mention ridiculous....

robiscoole

we should bring the MANUFACTURERS of these guns to justice.

So we should prosecute the mfg because the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT broke the law, continues to ignore the law, and POTUS in essence grants not a pardon but immunity to those who broke and ignored the laws instead of enforcing them as they are sworn to do. Are you harboring federal fugitives in your home?

No we should not bring the manufacture to justice. We should bring the person responsible for giving the guns to the drug cartel (Holder and Friends).

@robicole As any good CONs will tell you, "gun manufacturers don't kill people, narco terrorists who paid smugglers from the U.S. (2000 guns cross the border a day) to legally purchase unlimited amount of weapons from AZ gun stores that was made possible by lax gun laws lobbied by the NRA... Kill People".

Obama is covering it all up!

AZ gun stores that was made possible by lax gun laws lobbied by the NRA

You do realize that it is illegal to sell fully automatic weapons in the USA without an FFL and tax stamp? Arms above rifle size have even further restrictions. MOST of the arms flowing to Mexico come from the SOUTH.. but that doesn't fit your agenda now does it?

BTW how is that gun control working in CHICAGO? I guess things are improving a bit.. they only shot 20 this weekend and no one died.

As much as I hate to say this Linda is a troll. She keeps making wild unsubstantiated statements with no links to her sources.

The plain fact is that criminals LOVE gun control. The fewer law abiding citizens who are unable to defend themselves the easier it is for a perp to control their prey.

A University of Massachussetts study confirms the obvious: http://defmech.blogivists.com/2009/01/29/gun-control-research-wright-and-rossi-armed-citizens-deter-criminals/

Dude, you are absolutely correct. I don't think we should stop at gun manufacturers though. Think about how these criminals are able to get away from the scene quickly. They use cars, subways, buses, and even sneakers. That's right Nike, sells sneakers to criminals and the state is going after you. And I hate to admit it, but every once in a while a criminal uses something other than a gun in her crime. So we should require special licenses for screwdrivers, baseball bats, steak knives, pipes, hammers, piano wire, rocks, or anything else that can be used as a weapon. If anything that can be used as a weapon is used in a crime then the manufacturer should be held responsible.

Trust, stop spreading NRA propaganda. The majority of guns entering Mexico, are coming from the U.S., not from "the south" Also, since the Supreme Court ruled Chicago's hand gun ban, unconstitutional, they really don't have strict gun control laws. Or did you not here about that landmark decision?

What I am saying is Sting operations were done. Gun Shops ignored laws and sold to everyone without questioning the amount going out or background checks. NRA got mad about questioning. Surges in sales were done and this was Fast & Furious (before the fear that Feds might crack down on Gun control)

Fast and furious does not sound like some Holder coverup. It sounded like NRA and strawdogs, who panicked after Giffords shooting.

Change them out in November. When elected officials act like this, one and out. Term limits. No Mas.

raddave

The majority of guns entering Mexico, are coming from the U.S., not from "the south"

False. Nobody knows the actual number of guns flowing into Mexico from all sources as 100% of them have not been seized & traced. Of 29,000 guns reported seized & traced in 2007-2008, over 11,000 were traced to sources in the U.S. The reason they can be traced is because of our registration system. Central America & the Eastern Bloc nations apparently have pretty lax paperwork regulations, even by NRA standards.

JULEA BACALL

What I am saying is Sting operations were done. Gun Shops ignored laws and sold to everyone without questioning the amount going out or background checks. NRA got mad about questioning. Surges in sales were done and this was Fast & Furious (before the fear that Feds might crack down on Gun control)

Fast and furious does not sound like some Holder coverup. It sounded like NRA and strawdogs, who panicked after Giffords shooting.

If this is true, how many gunshop personnel & straw purchasers have been charged by Federal authorities?

Thats because it was supposed to be funny Mike. You guys are acting like the only guns that got through were from fast and furious. Where was the outrage by the right when thousands of troops died in Iraq and no WMDs were found. Your bias is disgusting.

Blood suckers (vampires) show no reflection.

naw linda- that will never happen- the US is too busy sending all the jobs to China and letting those people come here instead. They don't want the Mexicans here. So why would they send jobs over there?

Bill King-4895740

Huuummmm? Why isn't Eric Holder's name on this list of fugitives from justice?

EO to protect the evidence and DOJ refusing to prosecute one of their own.

This fast and furious event was not Holders thing. Issa was sent in to try to find out just what evidence he had which might incriminate NRA, Gun Shops and Arizona Sheriffs. He found out their is no evidence involving Holder. Till we look for the real sources and stop blaming Holder its all a waste. I blame Holder for not Confronting these people or cracking down on Gun laws and control. This has nothing to do with any 2nd Amendment. It does have to do with profits and corruption but not the Fed....In this case!

Because Bush started the program?

julea, i think we should abort your right to free speech

raddave, sadly the NRA is not more powerful than congress; if that were true,most of congress would be in prison, along with eric\hussein and the rest of the criminals that defile the laws of the land.

Julea, your grasp of the erroneous is truly breathtaking.... no idea of what happened when or why, blindly citing or making up suppositions which don't bear the slightest resemblance to facts.... I thin k we all get it, you're pretty hostile to guns. Now try acquainting yourself with actual facts and try again?

Julea, your grasp of the erroneous is truly breathtaking.... no idea of what happened when or why, blindly citing or making up suppositions which don't bear the slightest resemblance to facts.... I thin k we all get it, you're pretty hostile to guns. Now try acquainting yourself with actual facts and try again?

dls-387641

The tale of two visions is the difference between a government of the people, by the people and for the people, and a government run by a plutocracy of corporate power.

I view it as a vision of everyone suffering equally in squalor. The government taking everything from those that PRODUCE and provide for their families so that those who CONSUME can live a similar life style.

George Orwell had it right... Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others.

If YOU want to live like that, I hear Cuba, Venezuela and China calling. Just make sure you don't critize the government there. They don't take very kindly to it and I will guarantee you will NOT like their solutions to YOUR problems.

So I guess all that money spent on wars and the military is only for the freeloaders. Those roads you drive everyday should only be for taxpayers. Look around you because you are both.....there are days when you are a producer and then there are days you are a freeloader. Quit blaming the freeloaders for everything. Halliburton fleeced billions from our government. Wall Street fleeced billions. Do you consider them freeloaders?

WOW. Pure stupid

Linda-1902513: Ma'am, you seem quite intelligent, lucid and rational. Of course, this business is a ploy, put out by the republicans for the NRA. I will say this though. If I were you I would leave. The affliction of these fools might be "catching" even via virtuality. Fools must be fools. Hell, thats what and who they are, therefore, let 'em rant their senseless imaginings. In defense of fools everywhere I defer to their rights of delusion. Regards Ma'am

dls-387641 ... A progressive future is one in which government is a custodian...

If I believed that to be true I would be 100% behind it, but I actually read this, given the current environmen,t as "enslavement" by the government. The MSM is helping toward that end.

Linda sounds like a free loader.

Excellent insight, Chuck!

Holder and Obama are the Real RACISTS = over 300 Mexican Nationals killed with weapons from Operation Fast and Furious - as their collateral damage - when ARMING Illegal Aliens and Narco-Terrorists - to give the false impression =

"legitimate gun dealers and law-abiding gun owners were behind the problem of Mexican Drug Cartel violence and the source of the criminals' gun supply."

Same as offered for Bush, Cheney et al for the same charge.

The big difference: Bush had the guns tracked. Obama didn't and didn't seem to care. Hence the criminality of "Fast and Furious."

I certainly hope Obama has more important things to do than be involved in the minute day to day details of such an operation.

Theo-3270314
I certainly hope Obama has more important things to do than be involved in the minute day to day details of such an operation.

Seeing as he claimed executive privilege we may never know. But it makes you wonder who or what is being protected and why.

Theo-3270314

I certainly hope Obama has more important things to do than be involved in the minute day to day details of such an operation.

I would think interfering in another country's business without their knowledge would be fairly important.

If one day you ever have a coherent thought will you let us know jstdafacts? Back to your comic books before mom calls you to dinner.

Do you know,buddy,you just pile it up unto the day?..matthew 12:36-37..wait for it..

Mom...meatloaf...now!

we do that with your momma's pictures

Are you serious? Of course not, I'll give you more credit than that. Then again...

Why don't The Obamas NOT go on those EXTRAVAGANT VACATIONS - at the cost to the US Taxpayers - and donate the money to the US Military families that The Obamas falsely portrayed they would be helping - if "elected".

Biscotti
Why not try to be a nicer person and not so petty? Think you could work on that? Your party has helped no one but themselves and you know it.

The gun dealers did their job and notified ATF of suspicious buyers, local ATF agents did their jobs and wanted to act to arrest the suspects, Border Patrol did their jobs trying to apprehend the suspects in the field.

Holder failed to perform his job and ordered agents to stand down and let the weapons leave U.S. jurisdiction and be used in te murder of Agent Terry.

Yet the idiot who failed here is yet to be fired or charged. Hmmmmm

Jim seriously the only big thing on you is your mouth!

J-860182. Perhaps your profile name means that's how many Js you've smoked. At any rate please be quiet, play with your toys and let the grown ups talk.

Doug In Reno-2751675 #21.2: Grownups? You? HAaaaaaaaa,Waaaaa,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha. Fe fi fo fum.......... Ha,ha, ha, ha, ha ha, ha,........................................ Once upon a time, on the edge of the dark forest,....... Waaaa, ha, ha, ha, ha ,ha, ha,ha,.............................................

Bush started the program and Obama ended it.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2011 at 12:42PM under oath before the Senate Judiciary Committee at the Dirksen Office Building in response to a question from Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas Eric Holder made the following statement:

"The Bush Administration is the one that started Wide Receiver the Obama Administration is where Fast and Furious began."

Start @ 2:37 and listen through 2:40 on the below C-Span link below.

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Lawmakers-Question-Holder-on-Operation-Fast-and-Furious/10737425323/

Well...FOX credo"we report,you decide",still has the problem about who decides what to report....its always self serving,whether admitted or not...the phrase should read.."we report what is beneficial to FOX ratings...you decide,if you have half a brain,and if it agrees with us,we accept you"

Gerryrichard...CNN and MSNBC slant left just as much as FOX slants right. You and I may very well only believe what we want to hear based on our biasses. And is you say you are not biassed, well ... you must be perfect.

Conspiracy(crime) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)Cached - Similar
In criminal law, a conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to break the law at some time in the future.

This is no theory....this happened.....the next conspiracy is the cover up.
No theories necessary.
The law was broken and people died.

Because the Bush administration started the program? Did Fox leave that part out?

Operation Fast and Furious started in Oct 2009 (Obama Administration) as a strategy to identify and eliminate entire arms trafficking networks rather than low-level buyers.

Keep up posts like this one, Villum, and where you'll find yourself is in some location facing the embarrassing position of explaining your language to the Secret Service. Your post is a criminal act, period. If you're lucky you'll only get a civics lesson from this.

Agree, SL, there are some serious sick haters on this post. The sad, sick ignorant right!

i agree Villum.

And the butt ugly, stupid as cooked beans on the left.

Oh and SL Cabbie, they are too busy rounding up prostitutes to worry about a post on-line. Hell, they didn't even worry about protecting their own POTUS with national security details of his arrival.

He might be spending time in a padded cell for some time.

Hey J-86....want to see "sick and ignorant". You should have been here in NYC to see your OWS pals.

Actually, this is no worse than perceived threats made against Bush on this vine, among others. Typical double standard. That said, I don't wish any harm to Obama...except to see his administration go down in embarassment and shame.

"History will look back upon this president's leadeship with the Scorn and Disdain it deserves."

US Senator John McCain, December 2011

It's stupid people like you, who can't comprehend the english language, that keep these posts alive, SL Cabbie. At no time did he EVER advocate for the death of the current POTUS, so STFU and move along. If the SS wants to harrass anyone, they can come after me. (Which they won't.)

Fox News didn't tell you that Bush started "fast and furious"? Why would they neglect to mention that?

Didn't Bush start fast and furious? Where was your boy Mitt during Nam? France?