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Subscribe to RSSA live cat was found half-buried in concrete in Arizona, an act that the man who rescued it believes to be a threatening message from a pro-polygamy religious group, according to local reports.
The kitten was found encased in solid concrete inside a metal tube in Colorado City, Ariz., a major center for the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, a breakaway Mormon sect whose members practice polygamy.
In previous incidents, dead cats have been left on ex-FLDS member Isaac Wyler’s property, according to Andrew Chatwin, who discovered the trapped feline while he was building a horse shelter at Wyler’s home.
A YouTube video shows a cat that was partially buried in concrete in Colorado City, Arizona.
“It’s been going on for years,” Chatwin, also a former FLDS member, told the video site Right This Minute, “and I’ve recorded up to a dozen dead cats put into his horse corral. I’ve recorded dead animals put into his truck.”
In a video, shot by Chatwin on May 31 and posted to YouTube on July 1, the cat is seen buried up to its head in concrete, crying out in pain. Chatwin said he had to cut through the metal tube and is then seen chipping away bits of concrete around the animal’s body with a hammer.
Mangled and emaciated but still breathing, the freed feline was taken to an animal sanctuary in Kanab, Utah, where it died a few days later.
Both Wyler and Chatwin have spoken publicly against the church and its former controversial leader, Warren Jeffs.
Jeffs was convicted last year of two felony counts for sexually assaulting two underage girls he had married. He is currently serving a life sentence plus 20 years at a prison in Palestine, Texas, but is said to still maintain control of the FLDS-run communities.
Chatwin, who has frequently been at odds with the church since leaving it 13 years ago, said he believes the act was done by FLDS members in an effort to force ex-church members out of town.
“We’ve in the past experienced a lot of hostility from the FLDS,” Chatwin said. “It was a message sent to Isaac Wyler to try and intimidate him.”
Chatwin said he reported the incident to the Colorado City Marshal’s Office.
“[The officer] kind of chuckled and laughed a bit, and then he said that if it was up to him, he’d just throw dirt over [the cat],” Chatwin said. “And this is coming from a city marshal that’s in the FLDS Church.”
Trish Carter, public information specialist at the Mohave County Sheriff’s Office told msnbc.com that her office was notified of the incident on May 31, but did not respond because it was under the jurisdiction of the Colorado City Marshal’s Office.
“We often investigate cases of animal cruelty, but they were in charge of it, so we didn’t respond,” Carter said.
The Sheriff's Office took over patrols in Colorado City last week from the Marshal's Office at the state's behest.
“Through the attorney general’s office, we now have partrols in the area, and anything that’s reported to our agency we are taking seriously,” Carter said.
Neither the FLDS or the Colorado City Marshal’s Office responded to inquiries from msnbc.com.
The incident occurred just weeks before the U.S. Justice Department sued Colorado City, Ariz., and Hildale, Utah, alleging religious discrimination against non-FLDS members, claiming the cities have been violating the federal Fair Housing Act, depriving non-sect members of their constitutional rights.
The lawsuit seeks unspecified damages for victims, fines against the towns and court orders prohibiting officials from harassing non-FLDS members, The Associated Press reported in late June.
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FLDS - disgusting. Just disgusting.
This is unconscionable. I really almost cannot believe a human is capable of this, but what I am thinking? A human is the only animal capable of such torture.
This story has moved me to tears; it's left me feeling nauseas; I can't even bear to watch the video. How could anyone do such a thing to an innocent animal? What sort of hideous religion would promote such an act? This is sickening.
Thank you Andrew Chatwin for trying to save this poor animal and getting this into the press. I hope it is thoroughly investigated and the people responsible should get the maximum penalties the law allows. In fact the laws to prevent cruelty need to be modified in a huge manner to make more of a REAL deterrent to people that even consider cruelty to an animal.
Everybody remember reading about these sick people and their religion sanctioned pedophilia? I mean, how ignorant do these people think the outside world is? You go killing animals like this and the FBI is going to be very, very interested in this activity.
Lets remember that there is freedom of religion in this country people, mormons are free to practice polygamy and cat torture as the book of mormon calls for
Exactlt right sandra.brooks.
Just because they use Jesus Christ in the name of their church does not make them Christian. By their acts ye shall know them to be followers of evil.
Vivian - please tell us you are joking.
Vivian was being sarcastic. I hope. Pretty sure there is nothing about cat torture in the Book of Mormon. This the act of some truly perverse and sick individuals. I would point out a lot of murders start out by torturing and killing animals. Anyone capable of this must be well on their way to destroying any sort of humanity within them selves.
I'm not watching that video. How could somebody actually do that to a pet?
Vivian, Ignorance is your forte, huh?
When you treat women and youg girls as property or concubines whats a few cat murders? My guess is that it is OK as long as they had their magic underwear on when they did it.
phuking mormons are crazy! I would trust a rabid dog before I would trust a mormon. Just another orginized religious cult.
I don't think Vivian was joking at all. She's just as sick as most religious fanatics. I'll have to look up 'torturing cats' in the book of Mormon, as I doubt it says anything about it. She may be a troll.
I think I'll make up a religion stating that the torture and killing of dogs and cats are absolutely forbidden. I think I'll add pedophiles to my "forbidden" list, also. Then we can round up all the people who do these horrible things and stick them in concrete tubes. I think I'll call my book, "The Book of Kris".
Hey, I'm just practicing the freedom of religion, right? Gotta start somewhere...
And this POS "officer" is still employed? WTF!!
I really hope Vivian you're joking (bad as it is). If not...
polygamy is against federal laws and the book of Mormon doesn't have cat torture (no I'm not Mormon, just had to study different religions in college).
Maybe a biker and car rally should be held daily in this region/county alienating the FLDS scumbags. Put the heat on them.
It literally makes me sick to my stomach to read stories like this. Pure evil. Must make them feel really big to torture a helpless animal. I hope their god is just that kind to them on judgement day....
The FLDS is a sick and perverted cult, evil, cruel and beyond disgusting. What they do to little girls and women and innocent animals is utterly ghastly. They are Satan incarnate, may those who perform such acts of cruelty be made to suffer worse than the cruelty they inflict on the innocents.
It's probably right next to torturing dogs...like Willard did when he had his dog riding on the roof of his car.
I know! I can't ell either. I read a random dozen or so posts on "her" (?) comments page, and they are all like this one (#1.7).
I suspect it's a fake account and moniker (name) for a discussion thread "troll" trying to make absurd comments just to to stir the pot and get reactions.
If not, this person appears to be a serious whackadoodle. Read the comments on "her" account page.
:-O
Man I just love "organized" religion.. Seems like these days, more than focusing on values, ethics, morals and the rest of the more productive and respectable parts of religion, it's become about hating on any and everyone who doesn't share your beliefs.
Most religions these days seem to me to be nothing more than a smug superiority complex with psychopathic tendencies on a massive scale, affecting huge numbers of people. None of it interests me anymore, regardless of sect, creed, or beliefs. These are NOT the sort of things that I cherish, they are not the sort of things that are good for humanity and MOST IMPORTANTLY they are not the sort of things that I want my children exposed to.
Thats horrible who could do anything to a poor animal , thats even worse than that other Mormon putting his dog in a cage on the roof !!
Ok, I looked up a few links and, as I suspected, there is nothing in the book of Mormon that states that the torturing of animals is acceptable. Here's a good link:
http://lds.about.com/library/bl/faq/blanimals.htm
Must be a perversion by the perverted FLDS. What a bunch of truly disturbed people.
Freedom of Religion ends when people and animals start being harmed as threats to the citizenry. The Fathers weren't stupid and they figured we would be at least smart enough to be able to tell when something crosses the line and abuses their priviledge to practice freely. This country was the first to reform the government and religious sectors of societies by seperating them so that no king would ever rise from our lands and claim holy dominion over the rest of us as King George did, as did many others be they called Pharoahs, Dictators, Emperors, or Cardinals. When a religion fails to obey the laws of the land, the People are able to take action against that particular group and through mass consent (petitions!) can direct the local authorities to disperse the congregation by either arrest or firepower.
Without mass consent from the people (approximately 65% of the local population or of the State population or of the National population), the government is pretty much powerless unless it violates the Constitution. Our government violating the Constitution means revolt, as per the Fathers' intent behind binding the government to the Constitution rather than the other way around.
In conclusion, we the People are free to put a stop to this sort of thing ourselves if we band together. Peacefully we can approach the local government and pressure them to take action as per our collective demand, or we can send in the Hell's Angels and let them do it. The process is supposed to be petition first then take matters into our own hands if the government fails to uphold our Will. That's what being a Free People is all about - we have the Freedom to do whatever we want as long as we hold majority of numbers. The government does not tell us what to do, we tell it what to do. We are not a people under rule, we are a ruling people; if people mixing kitties into concrete to harass honest citizens because they think their religion is more important than common decency and courtesy, then we don't have to stand for it. Find the unevolved monkeys that are doing this and put them to task and anyone that supports their wrong-doing. We don't have to attack their religion, we just attack they themselves and the example is set in the doing.
See? Simple and embraces the qualities of liberty, making it therefore something Americans do and used to do all the time whenever something bothered the crap out of them in large numbers.
Let's not confuse this FLDS cult with the mainstream LDS (Mormon) church. They are no more the same than David Koresh and the Waco 'Branch Davidians' were with a bona-fide protestant Christian church.
This group, the FLDS, has been long condemned and shunned by the LDS (Mormon) Church, and in-turn the FLDS does not recognize the validity of the mainstream LDS Church. FLDS is a cult, plain and simple. Don't paint people of the Mormon faith with the same brush.
And just for the purpose of clarity, I am not affiliated with the LDS Church in any way. I was raised, and remain a Presbyterian. But my father's business was headquartered in Salt Lake City and because of this I have known hundreds of Mormons in my life, and have great respect for their family values, their kindness and generosity to all persons in need (regardless of faith) and their tolerance of those who do not share their faith. Many of us cannot make the same claim.
Just be sensible, and don't cast aspersions where they are not deserved. "Do unto others ...." you know the rest, right?
Where is PETA? Where is the SPCA? This group of religious nuts should all be buried up to their chins in cement and set out in the sun to ponder their actions.
For heaven's sake!!!!! The FLDS are NOT, or will they EVER be Mormons! Stop lumping these fanatics in with the Mormons!!!! Mormons are not crazy, but I wonder about some of the FLDS. Educate yourselves, people, before you show your ignorance!!!!!
Can we include Scientology in that petition?
If I had seen this and had a shotgun handy, the cat wouldn't have been the one in the cement.
geez you people are so quick to judge and bash when this story is ALLEGED, there was offered ZERO proof of anything other than someone cruelly put a cat in a metal tube filled with some concrete. i cant even understand what kind of statement thats suppose to means to someone, i can understand that maybe a sick individual would do this for jollies but the connection to the FLDS is non existent and makes no sense unless these animals were owned by the person who they might be trying to force out/scare. torturing/killing random stray/wild animals and leaving them on someones property is not a good way to make people leave, its kinda silly really. tells me there is more to the story or no story at all.
we are humans with conscious thought that lower life-forms do not have, they rely on instincts passed down through genes, we have that same ability but mainly lost through time and evolution. to put any lower species in the same realm as humans is laughable, we are so far superior to anything this earth has that it will never be any different unless we just disappeared. the only common denominator between us and lower species is that we all born of this earth. as far as violence and cruelty is concerned lower species do it just as much as we do but we dont hear nor see it compared to what is portrayed of humans. lower species are not any less violent than we are, we just have 24/7 media and lack of responsibilities to thank.
if you put any species before your own then you are not part of any species.
ALL Mormanism is a cult. We are in for REAL trouble if Mitt Romney is elected as president!! it will be a very sad day for the USA..and I'm not a fan of Abama either.
These FLDS monsters are not human--in fact far from.
Taking up a war against innocent little creatures such as cats and what they did in this instance is not forgivable by the Lords above! This is atrocious and a pure act of unprovoked cruelity and torture on an innocent creature.
LOCK THEM UP and THROW AWAY THE KEY!! Maybe in a cell they may find a true Lord again!
No they just believe a lot of crazy @!$%#.....l
This is disgusting. It's animal abuse, and the law needs to crack down on these radicals. However, I would like to point out that this is just a radical sect - my boyfriend and his mom's side of the family are Mormons. I've attended church with them, spent time with their friends, and they're just any other Christian religion. His family absolutely loves animals. Don't let the radical minority color your perception of all Mormons.
No, those @!$%# kids banging on my door trying to convert me have colored my perception against mormons perfectly.
Yes twinb, mormons ARE crazy. They are just as crazy as catholics, christians, muslims and anyone else batsh*t enough to think they have a personal relationship with a magic man in the sky. If anything the FLDS are probably more true to mormonisms CRAZY beliefs than the others who want to pass themselves off as normal people.
Incredibly heartbreaking.
And, MSNBC, come to think of it...Why is this story buried down in the US section (not even a headline in that section) and not FRONT PAGE? How about letting lose America's rage upon this community/religious sect?
Let the whole country know about these POS' It just might...just might force a state or federal agency to investigate them.
What's going to come of all this rage exactly? Nothing. No one's going to stop Jeffs and his followers. No one's going to punish them, investigate them, no one's going to stop them. I see so much rage and hatred here, and yet no action. It's meaningless hot air being blown, and it's not going to stop this from continuing...
Actually, public opinion can and does have a huge impact on situations and things. If enough of a hue and cry is raised against a group or individual they will indeed be investigated, put under the microscope and examined. Enough people outraged by this activity can make a difference.Especially if they get off their butts and start contacting people in authority, writing letters, creating an internet story that goes viral, etc.
Case in point, the Taliban murdered a woman recently, much cheering and praising of Allah and lo, the international public was up in arms over the event. Now, will that stop the Taliban, no. However, enough censure and disgust will turn people away from endorsing or making excuses for barbarity. Once upon a time witch burning was a scourge and a plague, eventually enough people of sense came to their senses and began condemning the practice. Unfortunately too late for the victims but it did insure that no further victims were created. (Except in Saudi Arabia where people are hanged for being wizards, fortune tellers and witches and no, I am not making this up, but then, we are discussing a fundamentalist Islamic state here.)
This story is sickening. I don't care who buried this poor cat in concrete. The person or persons who did this (I don't care about the reason why it was done), should face criminal charges, or be buried in concrete up to the neck. It doesn't matter that this was done to a "lower species"- the fact that it was done at all is disgusting and pathological. The Marshall, who supposedly said he would have just "thrown dirt over the cat", should join the perps in concrete hell. Let him be covered over with dirt!
Maybe not, but as long as we can keep them isolated in their little @!$%# town, in their @!$%# state, who cares. Let them sit in their town and marry their 3 cousins. As long as we can stop them from spreading then thats good enough.
Stop mormonism...chase those @!$%#ers banging on your door off your property.
I truly believe there's a special place in hell for creeps like this! Unconscionable infidels.
Shoot I guess I'll take moving there off my "bucket list" .
Yeah and Barry Oblamo ate a dog...
In any event, one has to almost look at these Mormonphobes similar to how many Americans were ignorant and afraid of Catholics, specifically in 1960 when a one John F. Kennedy was running for president. People were fearful that a Catholic (then considered a "cult" by many) would instill Catholic will on Americans. Of course today, nobody says a thing about a practicing Democrat Catholic named Nancy Pelosi. And speaking of polygamy, I sure don't hear the liberal left whining about Islam supporting having multiple wives. EVERY religion has its "breakaway" group.
With that said, anyone who sees fit to torture and kill animals to make a social/political/religious statement not only needs to be locked up for a LONG time, but needs to experience the exact same sort of torture they put their animal victims through (at least temporarily but with enough vigor to get the painful point across).
Obama was fed dog as a child. Willard made a decision to put his dog on the roof.
Warren Jeffs is an evil man & his pathetic rape & brutality of these young innocent girls is a crime.....he is causing all of this treatment of torturing animals....he is a very sick man, I hope he gets the death penality...
The Mormon Religion is a Cult....I have lived here my entire life & the Polygamy goes on all over the State of Utah..it is enough to make you throw up...the results of these marriages has left the genetic flaws on all the children in the American Fork Training School...
Swaggarnaut, you are such a moron. Animal, and by the way humans are animals, do use their instincts only but are capable of thought just like you and me. If not, we would not be able to train them and develop relationships with them as they would simple run off. They would also not be able to learn from their parents who teach them particular hunting skills etc. How the heck do you think your dog, Bowzer, learned his name. From his instincts? Or fetch that beer, yeah his instinct took over there too. Again, you are a silly moron.
The only thing I keep in mind when stories like this make the news, is you don't mess with mother nature. Cats were here long before humans and no doubt many humans were kitty kibble thousands of years ago. In the end, when the earth has had enough of our human interference and thoughtless destruction she will put an end to all life, including you Swag, and all your higher intelligence.
I'll take my chances on someone who put a dog on a roof of a car over someone who is driving the entire nation off a cliff, thanks.
the FLDS is notorious for acts of intimidation against locals outside of their disgusting cult. these acts include destruction of farmland, animals and so on. they get their cult members in positions of authority (like the POS marshall) so nobody will do anything about their purely criminal actions.
It's been a long time I've read a story in the news or seen a news photo that literally turned my stomach. I feel ill. The sight of that tortured kitten makes me hate every human on the planet. I truly would not be sorry to see all the cult cat-killers suffer the fate of being buried in concrete and screaming for mercy.
Swagganaut just doesn't get it, and is part of the problem. The superiority is reminiscent of Church Lady. Now I know why the Romans fed the lions.
When we are gone, the real kings will be king again.
The FLDS "community" in question has a LONG history of criminal activity under the name of religious freedom. This is one of the lesser of their crimes, though I would happily take the person responsible for a LONG dry walk in the desert. Or better yet a search for one of the hundreds of abandoned mines in the area. If you research all of the criminal acts committed by the "church", you'll find theft, coercion, blackmail, corruption, and fraud, among others. There was a series of articles on their actions in both the Arizona Republic paper and the local tv stations. A city cop was even convicted of bigamy and statutory rape only to have a judge who was a member slap his wrist and give him probation. I think he missed about 3 weeks of work before being back on the job. Nevermind that it was illegal for him to be a peace officer in Arizona, he was able to patrol the Utah side of town. I personally wouldn't be surprised if the Marshall was the one who put the kitten into the pipe. It wouldn't bother me in the least if all of the FLDS public officials (and there aren't any public officials there who aren't) happened to have a fatal accident. Anyone ever see the movie "Heathers"?
Eating a dog or cat for food if you need it is one thing and is the same as eating cow, fish, chicken, pig, etc. It is just that we do not keep those animals as pets very often. Also when you kill something with the intention of eating it, you do not want it to suffer since it taints the meat. The meat tastes better if the animal is not distressed for very long. There is a science/art behind being a quick, clean, and efficient killer.
However putting a cat in tube and filling it with concrete is just messed up, that is torture. There is something wrong with who ever did this, just like there is something wrong with the officer who stated he would just bury the cat in dirt. When I hear about things like this it makes me a little crazy, I would love to put that officer in a tube and fill it up with concrete. I would come by for a couple days to laugh, throw things, spray it, etc. and then only after I had my fun I would just fill it in with dirt since I would be tired of hearing the same old screams for help day after day. He would not be worth the money I would have to spend on a bullet, eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth I say.
Since no one knows how to take a joke or troll post here I am sure someone will try to take this out of context and collapse my comment just as what happened to Vivian...lol. "Oh my God, did you just read what he wants to do to a human being, to an officer of the law".../sigh.
How nice that this so called church is tax exempt too, I wonder how much money in taxes our government misses out on by letting religious nuts get away without paying taxes? Taxes that pay for that wonderful officer's salary so that he may support that so called church, or cult I should say. Let us get rid of our national government and laws so that local churches have more power, let us get rid of the separation of church and state while we are at it too...
Vivian,
Lets remember that there is freedom of religion in this country people, mormons are free to practice polygamy and cat torture as the book of mormon calls for.
Hey Vivian, let me encase your dog or cat in concrete and put dirt over your head and lets see if you like it in support of freedom of religion. Since your actually supporting this type of behavior.
As to that marshall, thats even if you can call him a marshall that is supposed to uphold the LAW. Allow me to throw dirt over your head and see if you like it. Your a disgrace to the law enforcement in uniform and a disgrace as a human being as well.
Minor note: The article briefly mentions an animal sanctuary in Kanab, Utah. Their name is Best Friends and I just want you all to know what an unbelievably awesome job these guys do at their no-kill shelter providing rescues and caring for animals on a shoestring budget. If you got some money you don't need, think about giving it to them or your local no-kill shelter. You will be rewarded!
All of you donate $1 to me and I'll love to fly there and get rid of all the men and that jackass sheriff in charge myself because I have a cat that I had for 16 years and believe me if they see me they'll know a demon has just landed on their ass and they'll be all dead. (Not women and children unless i catch them doing animal torture, then they deserve death). They're lucky I don't live in the state next to them!!! Me and Hunter1076 would love to meet you and show the FLDS the RIGHTIOUSNESS and the Power God has put in me to take out your ASSES!!!
Can I please just have the names of the people that put that defenseless kitten in the tube and I will gladly bury them neck deep in concrete and see how they like it or better yet their children since it was a kitten. I know, Im horrible for saying that, but why is that we so quickly forget that we are the only beings on earth that deserve water, food or love.
I just thought of a great response for what they did to this poor defenseless cat. Show this video to the prison population where Warren Jeffs, their Mormon Moron leader is and let them beat him to death as a response to what they did to that poor little kitten!!!
I do not put ANYTHING past those evil doers. I just bet that they would and have done other pure evil acts. they creep me out ! you know what they say " what goes around comes around " and hopefully that day will come soon. I just realized that the mormons that I have read about love to torture/ kill animals they are no better than jefferey dahmer. what a bunch of evil weirdos !
that so called marshal is just as evil as the rest of those weirdos, the guy doesn't have the balls to arrest anyone from that satanic cult. someone ought to do that to him, better yet someone ought to grab the marshal from the balls and tie him up to the back of a car and race through the streets with him attached to the car.
Oh, and by the way Mr. Jay, your statement about dispersing the congregation by arrest or firepower....I choose firepower....not because I believe in hurting people but because people like that would only get a slap on the wrist for animal cruelty and will never respect animals....or human beings for that matter.
F*ck that. Where is Anonymous? They nailed Kenny Glenn and the chick tossing puppies into the river. This sounds like the perfect job for them. Find the person or persons who did this and destroy them.
Shame them to the point that they eat a bullet.
the officer doesnt even care? how can someone be that evil to do that to a kitty? what in the world is going on in arizona man? sheriff joe doesnt care in maricopa country ppl dying, raped. and just seriously all this stuff is going to far. the whole state needs to find peace. this is just sad. this is getting bad.
I think the officer is a cult member, so he was probably aware of it, if not in on it.
I'm not surprised at all by this behavior, knowing how they treat their women and girls. When Jeffs "marries" a girl, other members of the cult, (including women!?) hold the little girl down while he rapes her. Girls are raised to be wives, boys just need to be kicked out at some point so there will be enough girls to go around.
Eewwww! Gag me with a spoon!!
there is a (small) chance that this one particular incident might be a terrible accident. if you look at the height of the poles (pipes) , it is possible that a kitten could have been hiding in the pipe and fell in when the pipe was placed in the concrete footing, then due to the noise of the construction, nobody heard the kittens mews for help until things were quiet. i am in no way defending these flds buttclowns, see my comment 1.49 and you know that I wouldn't put it past these corrupt terrorist scum at all, but there is the possibility that this time, it was nothing more than a tragic accident. what I don't know is how long it had been between the placement of the poles and the cat being found.
Had the kitten fallen in before the concrete was poured, and it miraculously clawed it's way to the top, it would have been covered in concrete. Had the kitten fallen in after the concrete was poured, it probably would have been able to climb out . Even if it had sank, there is no way it sank all the way. it would be too light.
Nope. Not buying any accident . I don't see any possibility. I have poured concrete.
cmach, if the cat had been hiding in the pipe,(not the pit or the concrete) and then the concrete was poured, it could have happened. the kitten could have slid to the bottom of the pipe when it was placed and been stuck.
at the beginning of the video, the pipe stands about 8-12 feet high,about 4 inches wide and smooth and round on the inside. there is no way a kitten (or an adult cat) could have climbed out of that trap. later, when the pipe is cut away and the footing has been revealed, the concrete within the pipe is significantly lower than the concrete on the outside of the pipe. just as if some of the concrete had oozed slowly from the bottom before hardening. and from the fresh dirt around, the work was very recent. that is what I'm saying. it looks possible.
now the numerous dead cats, the known reports of flds members destroying crops of non-"church" members, etc., etc. also leads me to think that it well could have been deliberate. but what would be the point of doing it when there is a very good chance the crime would never have been discovered at all? remember, this was at the bottom of a solid tall steel structural post. the only possibility of ever finding it would have been to have heard it while the cat was still alive. if it hadn't been noticed, the intimidation effect would have been zero.
now if the cat had been in a short pipe in a block of cement, then there would have been no doubt at all it could have escaped
the concrete was poured outside the pole, not inside, and concrete doesn't flow quickly through small openings like any gaps that might have existed between the base (rock, footing block, sand?) and the bottom of the pole. think about it, i've poured concrete too.
Great. I had to watch the video. Thanks a lot! If the kitten had been hiding in the tube when it was placed, it would have meowed and been heard! I am not buying it! And after seeing the video, I realize the kitty would not have been able to get out. I also realize that it probably fought a long battle.
FDLS members suck.
we definitely agree on that
Anyone who would do this to a cat deserves a bullet to the head.
Abullet to the head would be too fast.
He, she or them, whichever applies, should have to same thing done to them and then be left in the Arizona desert to contemplate what they did.
I was thinking more along the lines of burying their sick asses up to the neck in concrete. Then throwing some dirt in their faces like their nice "marshal" suggested.
AMEN TO THAT---norice
Psalm 144:1 Is a code i live by. To be a Shepard. To protect a flock from wolfs.
These "People" had better hope there are not people like me near their "Religion" or someone would get to explain to the LORD first hand why they thought torture of this family or animals "Seemed like the right thing to do"
I'm sure Mitt Romney is not happy about the publicity his cult creates but every citizen should be aware of the beliefs and rituals of the satanic cult of Mormonism.
It's been said, but evidently needs to be restated. Mitt Romney is a member of the mainstream LDS church, not this group that broke away from the church over 100 years ago. I have no issue with people having legitmate discussions about faith, but this Mormon-bashing is ridiculous. Anyone who wants to know the truth about the LDS church has access to all the truthful information they want on the church's official websites. I'm constantly amazed how other people try to tell me what I believe - sheesh! I know 1,000's of Mormons and not even one of them worships satan. I guess living a clean, moral, service-oriented life ticks a lot of people off!
But, the main point here should be fact that whoever did this is morally despicable and should be buried up to their necks in concrete.
i'd prefer pi$$ing on their heads while they were buried
I agree, shoot someone who'd do that on the spot. Rid the earth of him. I do not consider animals to be "the lower species" In fact in my opinion humans should be the lower species as animals don't rob, kill, torture, and any other ungodly act you can think of. We should take a lesson from animals and love and care for each other unconditionally. If the so called law would start shooting people who do things like this, it would not only rid the earth of vermin, but save the taxed to death people of America a lot of money. Plus death on the spot would be a pretty big deterrent to people who thinks doing things like this to precious innocent animals is no big deal. Put a bullet in their head and show them it is a big deal. The justice system needs a huge overhaul.
I've met some Mormon folks who were pretty nice people. Kids were respectful, worked for what they wanted, did well in school, etc... That said, after reading some about Mormon doctrine, I have to admit that they, as a group, make me extremely uneasy. Probably has to do with how they totally control their women. I know, I know, generalizing is not a good idea. So is bias - I guess I'm guilty as charged.
After reading "God's Brothel: The Extortion of Sex for Salvation in Contemporary Mormon and Christian Fundamentalist Polygamy and the Stories of 18 Women Who Escaped" I wanted to hurt someone - badly. Felt exactly the same (and thoroughly disgusted) after reading "Prophet of Blood: The Untold Story of Ervil Lebaron and the Lambs of God."
An interesting read about the Mormon westward migration is "The Mountain Meadows Massacre" if anybody is interested. Written by a Mormon historian who was blasted by the church after. Guess they didn't like her leaking their little-known truths about the massacre.
Lastly - once Romney secured the nomination a thought popped into my head "wonder what the Mormon agenda" is regarding politics? Google "the Mormon Agenda" and see for yourself. Then ask yourself if voting for Willard is a good idea.
Peace out from a biased and angry cat owner who is TRYING to see things from their point of view, and failing.
WTF is wrong with these A$$holes
Way to easy out. I was thinking of slicing their skin all over their body and tying them over a red ant hill with the hot sun bearing down on them. Yep. That is what I am picturing.
Gotnorice, my response to your posting with regard to a bullet to the head somehow posted in the wrong location - 3.1 instead of 2.1. But I think we are on the same page.
tff, you answered your own question...they're A$$holes!! :-)
No Julie they are worse---they are pure monsters of the 21st century---in a suit!
sandra---
You forgot the salt.
I'm going to go hug my kitties now, and I don't care if they were eating my plant today!
Faerieschyld, Yes you are right. Add salt to that payback.
If they do that to animals they should be shot.
If they will do that to an animal, imagine what they'd do to people. Killers start out torturing animals!
well they rape little girls so...
@ckneeley,
One of the more insightful post. It's one of the first things that crossed my mind also. Most seemed caught up on the animal cruelty aspect of it. I think anyone who does this type @!$%# to cats probably has little respect for life in general, feline or human.
I'm not a cat person but that is "UNBEF^CKINGLIEVEABLE". Dismantle that sorry-azz excuse of a church!!!
You don't have to be a cat person to be horrorfied. I am a cat person and would not want to see ANY animal treated in this manner. Except, maybe, the POS that did this to that innocent creature.
The people responsible for this should face public executions after their convictions! The human animal is very cruel indeed! They have a special place in hell, reserved just for them! [;-(]
It's one of the problems with inbreeding. Defective genes.
In this case, I'd definitely like to see an eye for an eye, a slow death encased in cement for a slow death encased in cement. What sick ba$tards.
Good point! If these POS ever faced justice, they'd all weep like little babies. Bunch of stinking cowards. This shows what they really are - gutless, spineless, gonad-less mental and physical impotents who have to rape and torture helpless women, children and animals to make them feel like real men. Disgusting.
I try to find comfort in the fact that Warren Jeffs will probably roast in hell for eternity considering he's a false prophet, rapist, pedophile, thief, charlatan, . . . . ..
Let's round them all up and encase them in cement up to their friggin heads!! Then let's get our golf clubs out.....
9 iron anyone!
Fore!
And risk damage to the golf clubs? Tsk.
Now, baseball bats on the other hand.....................
I'm generally a rather gentle person, but if they're willing to kill and dump pets publicly as a "message", it only makes you wonder what horrors are happening behind closed doors.
I was thinking hand drill, but what would be even better? Leave their feet exposed so we can turn them horizontal and roll their ass down a very large, bristly hill. Or off the side of the Grand Canyon - that might be fun if someone brings binoculars.
do you put a cats life over a humans life? cruelty of any form is wrong but a cat is property not our equals. until we can communicate with lower species or they can defend themselves against us, they will always be our property as long as we are top species of this earth.
you are as sick as the person who did this to a cat if you are advocating torture/murder against another human.
Swagganaut,
That is one terribly misinformed post. EdUCATE yourself. Try to grow out of the stupid notion we are"The top Species" of the earth. Yeah, like we are proving it all over the place with wars , genocide, burying cats in concrete, and actually destroying the earth. Open your eyes.
Swagganaut,
If you think cat-torturers aren't so bad, perhaps you'll let one babysit your infant? While I don't typically advocate corporal punishment either, I think you're minimizing the crime and missing the real issue: Anyone who willingly tortures defenseless animals cannot be trusted not to hurt people. After all, people are animals too, and our lives can be ended in the same way. We come in varying degrees of physical fitness, age, and cognitive ability. You could say a cat is a defenseless animal in the same way a toddler is a defenseless animal. I believe anyone who enjoys torturing in this way is capable of similar crimes of greater magnitude.
hey swag-NOT!!
I advocate slow painful torture for any low-life who abuses animals. Same goes for douchebags who condones it. Newsflash: You are not at all evolved and karma is a bitch.
Swaggernaut:
Taking care of an animals is what MAKES US HUMAN!.
Man is much worse than the animals. Just imagine a slaughterhouse with glass windows, the way we torture all our farm animals, chickens, pigs, cows....all creatures have emotions and feel pain and they look to us to take care of them but we torture them.
Science has shown that their DNA is close to humans. They were meant to be loved and respected for what they are.
I always remember this famous quote by Schopenhauer, a German philosopher about man's treatments of animals, specifically eating them, it goes something like this,"Man a down and out shoddy animal."
Stories like this just sicken me and the person or people who tortured this kitten are sick!
Also, when Jesus said do unto others or don't to others what you don't want done to you and beware how to treat the "least of these" he also meant the animals and yes He was vegetarian.
What a bunch of sick @!$%#s these FLDS scumbags are!
The world would be a better place if these FLDS cretins had never been born. What a plague they are to society.
Someone in this story is going to Heaven...but it sure isn't any members of this hellish church.
Well put Cassandra, well put!
@!$%#ing @!$%#s.....Whatever god they worship is a sick twisted being and is unworthy of worship.
The problem is they don't worship God - they worship Warren Jeffs who is a false prophet. There is no higher being in religion that espouses animal torture but voodoo and satanism.
Wow, what has happened to the American love of neighbor and taking the higher ground of looking after each other and treating life in general with higher regard than other folks less informed and educated. I am almost at a loss for words, really, a helpless animal, what was the message again?
I think this town needs to be burnt to the ground.
That's not sarcasm btw...
If this is indeed an act by FLDS members, it shows the same lack of respect for life as many extremists, religious or otherwise. While it is common in some rural areas to have an attitude toward animals different than owner of most pets, the sheriff's response could possibly how knowledge of the incident beforehand (I believe that constitutes conspiracy), or at least an uncaring attitude.
The problem is that any group that feels threatened tends to take out its revenge on those least able to fight back, whether women and children or animals. Remember that the ASPCA started as an organization to protect children and links between animal abuse and child abuse have been shown in numerous studies.
If the current leaders of the FLDS had any morality, they would keep their conflicts with others--whether former FLDS or non-FLDS--in words only. Killing animals shows a lack of respect for life and their own religious tenets. And just FYI, I live in an area where the FLDS bought a large piece of property. They were never welcome here.
I disagree about people in rural areas having different atttudes toward their animals. I was born & raised in a rural farm country & still live in a very rural area. Some of the most caring & gentle people toward animals are ranchers & farmers.
Well, some of the worst puppy mill breeding goes on in the midwest and the Amish and Mennonite are some of the biggest offenders of these disgusting breeding operations
goodforgoodness sake - I was going to mention the exact same thing about the puppy mills. It's not well known at all. They may be nonviolent with humans but they make up for it in animal abuse!
For those who say animal violence is not serious and we should not prosecute these crimes - know that ALL serial killers begin with animals. Catch them when they're young and save more humans.
Animal cruelty laws need to be strengthened. We need real penalties that will make these monsters at least think twice about their actions.
Not strengthened, enforced. We should put together a community organization independant of the government but within the confines of animal cruelty laws with the authority to uphold these laws and enforce them so stuff like this does not happen. We only have half the solution - we need the other half to come from us because we are present in the locations this stuff happens. The government is not and the police are often too busy or too understaffed to handle the responsibility. We could be helpful and there's no law against citizens organizing to keep the peace.
Let's just not be violent or stupid about it - we have enough wackos claiming to be for animal rights that we don't need more. If the offenders want to be violent, we meet them for it, but we do not initiate the violence. We do have the right of putting someone under citizen's arrest and hauling them down to the police station - we should use it in an organized manner.
They never should have published the photo, or at least they should have covered it with a warning that if viewed, it could be disturbing to some people! Shame on you MSNBC! I am greatly DISTURBED by this! I looked at this at work and I began to cry at my desk! What a horrible, horrible thing to happen to any living creature, especially one as defenseless as a domestic cat! I am HEARTBROKEN!
I'm disturbed too & will not watch the video, but getting this out there is going to get people outraged & hopefully something will be done now that people know what's realy going on.
Great! Outstanding! Awesome!
Then the article did exactly what the author wanted it to do. Make you sick to your stomach about what happened to this cat.
Sometimes we have to be shocked awake to what is happening around us.
Find these culprits and make them work in an animal shelter for a year euthanizing cats and dogs that are deemed unworthy. Let them get their fill.
These people have no souls - they would be completely indifferent to killing animals. I say tie them down in a room with 100 cats. No food. For any of them. The cats will figure how to eat.
Um - your plan is likely to cause whomever some sort of carnal gratification. They obviously have a fetish for killing animals. How about making them watch healthy, non-dead animals for a year without being able to kill or torture them? Blue B*lls indeed!
One of the signs of a budding serial killer is someone who kills animals. If I was living anywhere near these towns, I would want out yesterday.
I agree Herculect.
So much for being loving "Christians". How more evil can you get, burying a live animal and leaving it to die? It's pure torture. Damn hypocrites!
Yup. I'm too saddened and disgusted to even put words to my thoughts. Suffice to say I wouldn't speak out against putting the perpetrators alive in a similar concrete tomb.
Easy Hot in Miami, please read post #1.7 . To save you time scrolling: Just because they use Jesus Christ in the name of their church doesn't make them Christians. "By their acts ye shall know them to be followers of evil." That is about as simply put for people to understand. Judgement day will be literal hell for a lot of false prophets and followers !
Mormons are not even close to Christians. They revere Lucifer for showing man how to obtain godhood by leading him to eat the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge. Seems like putting Church of Jesus Christ in front of LDS has fooled most Christians.
whomever the sick son of a bitch is that would do this to animals needs to be shot!
NormALc - I'm sorry, but you're very misinformed. Visit official church websites or talk to mainstream LDS members in your area.
Hot-in-Miami these people are the false Christians that God's son Yeshua (Jesus) warned us about. Also it was mentioned that we would know them by their fruits (actions). If they were true followers of God's son Yeshua (Jesus) like they claim they would not do this evil act. The people who did this are complete psychopaths who would murder people's small children to make a point. I'm a Christian and I would never do anything like this to an animal or a human because I'm a non violent person who shows love not hate. Sadly these psychos at this so called Mormon cult are followers of evil and not of good.
the scumbag should rot in concrete, the whole lot of abusers...each and everyone. why is our beloved God allowing this evil to happen day in and day out? some days i just can't lift my head off the pillow when i read this wretchedness. why and how are people so evil...just for evils' sake? Help us Father....please end this pain....
Best way to deal with idiots like these is to strip them of their financial, legal, and political power. At that point they're just a bunch of loons spouting craziness and committing petty crimes, then you lock them up, then they get shoved into trailer parks, and you've effectively marginalized them into non-relevance.
I can't even say much.. I am just horrified.. There has been multiple dead animals left on his property... How totally ugly these people are... I wonder what god will say or do to them???
How about "Depart from me you workers of iniquity, I never knew you"?
These people suck! If I didn't care for polygymists before, i hate them now!
Anyone who is capable of doing something like that to an animal is less than human and should be put down like a rabid dog.
The FLDS is a bunch of wackos, from their pedophile leader to the way they bully the ex- and non-members. You should read more about FLDS and how these two cities (Hilldale UT and Colorado City AZ) are literally built for the church. Read about how welfare in these towns is much higher than normal because wives 'don't know' who fathered their babies. Read about how non-members can't get city services and, like this, are laughed at by the City Marshal. The County Sheriff has had to take over because the marshal's office is so corrupt.
FLDS is essentially a group of Mormons that broke away from the church when the real LDS walked away from plural marriages almost a hundred years ago. This church exists for the sole purpose of allowing men to marry multiple women.
The cat thing is just the tip of the disgusting, despicable iceberg.
These "men" who hide behind their imaginary friend to rape children and control women should be incarcerated forever, if not put to sleep. The ignorant, brain-washed women should be run outa town on a rail. There's no excuse for such ignorance. These "women" make me ashamed to be a woman. They're so stupid they can't see that they're there just so they can be controlled, therefore allowing the other ignorant gender to feel superior. All this baby-rape bull**** needs to be stopped yesterday! Now, the bastards are murdering helpless small animals. When are the outside authorities going to jerk a knot in their tails?
Best be careful, if you did that to my cat I'd do the same and worse to you and your whole frikking church. I'm really surprised someone hasn't started killing off these freaks already, I know I would if I lived there, I'd kill off those mfkers every chance I'd get.
Big brave men torturing kittens, a real man does his business face to face, something you're chicken ass is too scared to do, but if I get a hold of you you'll know it because I will kill you face to face.