Sister gets text: 'The girl with this phone is dead'

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The family of a Queens, N.Y., woman missing since Sunday fears she may be in serious danger.

Police are searching for 26-year-old Rajwinder Kaur, who was last seen Sunday night at her home on 198 Street in Hollis. She left at about 8 p.m. to volunteer at a homeless shelter in Brooklyn and never returned home.

Later that night, Kaur's sister Gurpreet received a text message from her sister's phone.

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"It said, 'The girl with this phone is dead,'" Gurpreet Kaur told NBC 4 New York.

"It's too disturbing," she said. "At first when I saw it, I thought it was probably like a joke."

But she knew her sister wouldn't write a message like that.

Police said Kaur's phone was tracked to Brooklyn Sunday night, then shut off. They were in the process of getting a search warrant to go through her emails, law enforcement sources said.

Kaur reportedly sold her family possessions on eBay before disappearing, sources said. Her family said she had become more spiritual after a trip to India last winter, but don't believe she would have disappeared abruptly.

Family members have posted fliers around the neighborhood and in Brooklyn near places where Kaur volunteered. They are offering a $1,000 reward for information.

"I hope this is an awful joke and they find her," said neighbor Nicole Iglesias.

Anyone with information on Kaur is asked to contact Crime Stoppers at 800-577-TIPS or at nypdcrimestoppers.com.

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Hopefully a metaphor for a new begining. I doubt a killer would take the chance of being tracked. But you never know.

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#1 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:59 AM EDT

I thought the same thing, maybe she means she is starting a new life.

  • 33 votes
#1.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:05 AM EDT

My thoughts too...but what a horrible thing to do to her family...to leave them wondering.

  • 45 votes
#1.2 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:19 AM EDT

You can start a new life and still tell your family that you're simply dunzo and are moving on or away to start over. So pretending that she is dead is quite out there. I would believe that a killer would do something like that before a girl that wants to start over. But who knows. Hopefully she turns up alive somewhere.

  • 21 votes
#1.3 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:23 AM EDT

Perhaps someone is stealing her handphone.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:42 AM EDT

Anyone with information on Kaur is asked to contact Crime Stoppers at 800-577-TIPS or at nypdcrimestoppers.com.

Good luck getting any help from this peanut gallery!

  • 17 votes
#1.5 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:49 AM EDT

I doubt a killer would take the chance of being tracked. But you never know.

You'd think so, but criminals are also very stupid so let's hope if a criminal is involved here, that they are indeed a dummy.

  • 15 votes
#1.6 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:52 AM EDT

Pretty young girls should not volunteer help at the homeless shelters - far too many weirdo's congregate there. Such a tragic story... :(

  • 28 votes
#1.7 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:05 AM EDT

Headline should read "Adult woman gets spiritual in India, sells all possessions, and leaves civilization" This is not a news story.

  • 24 votes
#1.8 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:16 AM EDT

Sounds like a movie plot.

  • 4 votes
#1.9 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:26 AM EDT

I hope everyone's theory is true and she is behind this. If not, another tragic ending. If she is that crazy, she is the perfect candidate for my next ex-girlfriend. I can pick out the crazies like no one else.

  • 19 votes
#1.10 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:31 AM EDT

I hope she decided to start a new life..... and that she is happy.

  • 7 votes
#1.11 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:42 AM EDT
Comment author avatarbilly6900Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Exactly max you are right save those jobs for the fat girls....but what if they eat all the homeless peoples food.

  • 7 votes
#1.12 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:55 AM EDT

'Sold all family possessions on Ebay before disappearing.........'

Hopefully she was just cuttng all ties to start anew. (a friend's psych told him to do that-tell no one and leave - he told me but left everyone else hanging)

Maybe the family are evil, maybe the girl is selfish, and maybe some other innocuous reason. More prefferable than a crime having been cmmitted.

  • 5 votes
#1.13 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:57 AM EDT

Coral Taxi - Maybe not the killer, but if someone not in their right mind found the body (many homeless people on the street are there because of severe, untreated mental illness or drug addiction), or they didn't want to get involved, that would be the way to let someone know. But like you I hope for the family's sake that she's just ditched them all in search of a new life. That would be painful as well, but not as painful as the alternative.

  • 7 votes
#1.14 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:05 PM EDT

I hope she is found alive. The family must be terrified.

  • 10 votes
#1.15 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:26 PM EDT

Well, death is a part of life. It happens, but one can only go as far as to hope for the safety of this individual.

  • 4 votes
#1.16 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:30 PM EDT

Hire lieutenant columbo.

  • 1 vote
#1.17 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:45 PM EDT

Gonna go out on a limb here...based on the family's surname, all of the corresponding first names, spiritual trip to India, certain religions and known customs therein...she probably was being placed (forced; sold) into an arranged marriage or she simply wanted a life out of her families grasp. Not the right way to go about it, but some people see no other way

  • 21 votes
#1.18 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:02 PM EDT
Comment author avatargridlock-2307416Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Females of this culture cannot shame their family honor. The daddy or uncle has what is considered

'A RIGHT'(wing) to behead the girl. Hopefully she is out there giving some 'head' to an appreciated American dude, and live happily ever after.

But, if she is really in some serious trouble. I sincerely apologise for my BS response.

    #1.19 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:28 PM EDT

    'Sold all family possessions on Ebay before disappearing.........'

    This right here tells you it's not likely to have been a murder, or a kidnapping. She likely either committed suicide, or she decided to start a new life by perhaps even attempting to fake her own death / suicide.. So when someone sells everything that is typically family possessions, it's a good indication that there is something wrong with her or her family. Hopefully she is still alive and is just trying to start a new life.

    • 6 votes
    #1.20 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:41 PM EDT

    One can only hope that's the case, but even if it was you wouldn't send a message like that to your family. It's very chilling. I can't even imagine what they must be going through right now.

    • 1 vote
    #1.21 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:33 PM EDT

    Jackel - tend to agree, perhaps got entangled in some religious cult... told to cut all ties with friends and family... what would be the next step? Start a new life or be sold off as a modern day slave... Whatever the direction, doesn't sound good.

      #1.22 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:34 PM EDT
      Comment author avatarFly_MoeExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      "Her family said she had become more spiritual after a trip to India last winter"

      Is she Muslim? She could be in a plot to be a suicide bomber or something along those lines. Hope that isn't the case.

        #1.23 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:46 PM EDT

        Gonna go out on a limb here...based on the family's surname, all of the corresponding first names, spiritual trip to India, certain religions and known customs therein...she probably was being placed (forced; sold) into an arranged marriage or she simply wanted a life out of her families grasp. Not the right way to go about it, but some people see no other way

        Based on the girl's last name she is of the Sikh faith (Sikh peoples share a last name as a way to discourage the caste system; women have the last name of Kaur, meaning 'princess', while men have the last name of Singh, meaning 'lion'. As per Sikh beleifs they do not practice arranged marriages. Sikhs are probably one of the most gentle religions. Women are equal to men in every respect, it is their duty to help others, etc. I somewhat doubt she'd be unhappy enough to try to escape her family.

        • 8 votes
        #1.24 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:52 PM EDT

        The girl with this phone is dead

        Failingly inelegant for one who is presumably inclined to express themselves metaphorically. My guess? She didn't author that text...to dispel the earlier, wishful theories in this thread.

        • 1 vote
        #1.25 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:04 PM EDT

        Sounds like she might have left the US for good (expatriated?) and wants to have nothing to do with anyone in her former life! What else is new?

          #1.26 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:38 PM EDT

          Someone is a polysyllabricator. Nothing wrong with that if you got the education I guess one should use it.

          • 2 votes
          #1.27 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:40 PM EDT

          The story says, "Kaur reportedly sold her family possessions," --it doesn't say she sold ALL of them. Two teacups would be enough, and would probably mean that she had internet connections with second-hand merchandisers who might know where she is.

            #1.28 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:46 PM EDT

            I'm guessing she is in for a severe beating when she is finally returned to her family, which goes a long way to explaining why she took off in the first place.

              #1.29 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:51 PM EDT

              The Jackel said:

              So when someone sells everything that is typically family possessions, it's a good indication that there is something wrong with her or her family...

              No necessarily. Doesn't Jesus say in the Bible, 'Give all you have to the poor, and follow me?' A vow of poverty, of chastity...perhaps she's going to become a nun of her faith, which is to be commended. Nuns of the Christian faith give all their worldly possessions away and even take a new name once the enter the convent/Church to symbolize that they are letting go of the old life and being born again as a bride of Christ?

                #1.30 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:17 PM EDT

                The aticle says she took a trip to India recently and had some kind of spirtual experience. That, coupled with the fact that she sold her belongings on ebay most likely means that she has chosen to "disappear" and start a "new" life. But there also has to be some kind of mental health issue. If someone is thinking clearly and they are wanting a new life with some kind of religious or spiritual meaning they most likely would not want to cause the very people that love them most such terrible pain. The police should be checking into any possible cults that she might have gotten involved with.

                  #1.31 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:40 PM EDT

                  Excellent use of polysyllabricator, Gtouch. It doesn't look like anyone else (especially John, Doh) got it. How many times can you work that word into a conversation? Bravo.

                  • 2 votes
                  #1.32 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:32 AM EDT

                  I knew a guy whose sister disappeared while in college. His family spent ten years and thousands of dollars on private investigators trying to find her. She finally showed up on her own one day and never really said why she had disappeared. Or at least the family never said why.

                  This girl could still be alive.

                  • 1 vote
                  #1.33 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:34 PM EDT
                  Reply

                  Let's hope she's checking out for a while. Not good to fake her own death but better than the real thing. Any other believers out there?

                  • 14 votes
                  Reply#2 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:01 AM EDT

                  Well, the part about her having sold her belongings on E-bay before disappearing seems to point in the direction of her simply going for a new beginning, ala "the old me is dead". Especially what with the newfound spirituality and all that.

                  And perhaps a bit of maybe beefing with and/or being fed up with the family, so it was an "FU - stay away from me and my life"

                    #2.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:20 PM EDT

                    Selling stuff on e-Bay is what a lot of people do. I don't think selling a few teacups and a couch or whatever classifies as the start to a new life. But there may be buyers out there who might have some information about her.

                      #2.2 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:47 PM EDT

                      The article said she sold her families belongings, not her own. I thought that was a weird way of putting it but it's not the same thing nor is this a culture I'm familiar enough with to make any guesses as to what it might mean. It also didn't say that she had permission to sell those belongings by other family members. Hope she's okay.

                        #2.3 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:46 PM EDT
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                        Homeless shelter, young beautiful KIND girl. It doesn't sounds good.

                        • 15 votes
                        Reply#3 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:03 AM EDT

                        check with that father-he might have dealt with her in his own sick twisted way. she was probably too Americanized for his beliefs and chopped her head off, just like the taxi driver that shot and killed his 2 daughters because they went to a school dance etc, sick people-it was probably the family

                          #3.1 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:35 AM EDT
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                          I pray she's ok. God bless her.

                          • 16 votes
                          Reply#4 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:08 AM EDT

                          Sounds like mental break to me. Kind of sounds like the guy who lost himself a mile in to the Alaskan wilderness after graduating from college and abandoning his family. Some call it finding "spirituality" but the utter lack of preparedness, logic, and rationality says mental breakdown to me.

                          • 8 votes
                          Reply#5 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:11 AM EDT

                          Sounds like we should get all the facts before we start making such brash assumptions .

                          • 3 votes
                          #5.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:33 AM EDT

                          If people waited to get "all the facts" from MSNBC, there would be no commenting, ever. An opinion needn't be equated to a "brash assumption".

                          • 18 votes
                          #5.2 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:35 AM EDT

                          @Nikolaus20

                          Dang that was harsh lol. Calm down

                          • 1 vote
                          #5.3 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:29 PM EDT
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                          I sure hope the text was wrong. God Bless her!!!

                          • 5 votes
                          Reply#6 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:16 AM EDT

                          I worked for many years with the homeless and mentally ill in NYC. What she does takes courage and compassion. I pray for her well being, and that she is safe.

                          • 12 votes
                          Reply#7 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:16 AM EDT

                          I almost hate to say this, but a young woman is volunteering at a homeless shelter after 8 pm??? In New York? Possibly on foot? That in itself sounds like a very bad idea. I hope she is found, but it doesn't look good.

                          • 18 votes
                          Reply#8 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:20 AM EDT

                          This ain't the 1950's anymore with high moral church goers.
                          This is America the repugnant. Anything goes and women, you have to stop
                          falling for the Swinging 60's message that you have sexual freedom. The only freedom you have
                          is to be used and abused and men or boys looking for a good time are not good
                          people. Know it and you might your life of that of a sister, if she will listen
                          to you. Just say no, go out in groups or in area's that you know well. Everyone needs to
                          look our their window once in a while and notice if something doesn't look
                          right in your neighborhood. Someone is there that does not belong. People were
                          safer years ago for the simple reason that we did not wander and move all over
                          the globe and everyone knew everyone else in an area. If you were a stranger,
                          you suspect and rightly so. Now, everyone is a doggone stranger. God help that
                          poor girl if she is still alive to escape and be safe if she can. Women, stay
                          sober and tap into your internal Ahole radar, it will save your life. Read
                          "Gift of Fear."

                          • 5 votes
                          #9 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:21 AM EDT

                          Wow! Paranoid much?

                          • 34 votes
                          #9.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:24 AM EDT

                          You obviously didn't live in the 50s. I've sat and listened to people recount their lives from all walks of life. From the immigrants arriving prior to WWI and WWII to the 40s and 50s. Seriously, it was not all June Clever and Donna Reed. People just didn't openly admit to the crap that went on. Girls were locked up for immorality because their father's molested them. And in the Cities, there were always strangers and being a stranger doesn't make you dangerous. Seriously, I refuse to live in fear. Rather than allowing yourself to be controlled by fear and ignorance (lack of knowledge and understanding), get out experience life. Sure, when I lived in the city, pepper spray and some Isshin-Ryu Karate goes a long way.

                          • 29 votes
                          #9.2 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:36 AM EDT

                          As much as I hate to admit it, Carol, you are probably correct on many points. We are not neighbors anymore. We dont' know the people in our own neighborhoods and often travel outside of them. People don't spend as much time outdoors anymore and when they go inside, due to the prevalence of AC stay boxed up inside with the drapes drawn and the windows closed. Criminals operate now with a greater sense of security because we are not as alert to strangers as we used to be. In theory, we live in the land of the free and should be able to go anywhere, anytime and feel it is ok for us to be there. The reality is that big city streets at night is no place for anyone to walk alone, let alone a young girl. I hope she is found safe and that she only wanted a fresh start, but I am afraid it may not be so.

                          • 8 votes
                          #9.3 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:46 AM EDT

                          Glad I don't live in your people's neighborhoods.

                          • 6 votes
                          #9.4 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:49 AM EDT

                          Don't have to read it. You pretty much covered it.

                            #9.5 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:04 AM EDT

                            "High moral churchgoers"...and then we laughed and laughed and laughed at that very term...

                            • 17 votes
                            #9.6 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:07 AM EDT

                            Ahh the 50's. That wonderful time of black and white drinking fountains, riding the back of the bus, McCarthyism, polio, fear of nuclear anihilation, conformity, etc ...

                            I guess the 50's were ideal if you were white and protestant (high-moral church-going people). Everyone else? Not so much ... The only reason you felt so safe back then is because you never dealth with anyone that didn't look exaclty like you (" If you were a stranger, you suspect and rightly so" right?)

                            Does the phrase "I want my country back" resonate with you Carol?

                            • 20 votes
                            #9.7 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:24 AM EDT

                            So Carol, what if it turns out that she left on her own?

                            • 5 votes
                            #9.8 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:31 AM EDT

                            This is the most ignorant, worthless thing I have ever read.

                            • 4 votes
                            #9.9 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:41 AM EDT

                            Get on your broom and ride on home. There is enough hate around here that maybe yours could do some good elsewh

                            • 3 votes
                            #9.10 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:01 PM EDT

                            Does anyone else picture Carol sitting in her house, in the dark, peeking out from behind closed drapes, with her tin foil hat on?

                            • 4 votes
                            #9.11 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:02 PM EDT

                            Carol played Mrs. Kravitz on Bewitched. " ABNER!! ABNER!!! Someone drove down the street in a van!!! A VAN!! Call the police!"

                            • 4 votes
                            #9.12 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:07 PM EDT

                            @Madge, it's pretty DISGUSTING that your comment has 28 upvotes, because it is WRONG. Just because YOU live your life apathetically, choosing to ignore the fact that the world is NOT all shiny and happy go lucky, that does NOT mean Carol is paranoid.

                            I agree with her 100%. It wouldn't surprise me if we had a couple of shady characters in my neighborhood. Hell, a few blocks away, this man tried to preach religious things to me and my brother on the way home, puttting his hands on our shoulders, and praying from a bible,....so I mouthed to my brother "We have to get out of here", and he made an excuse that we had to be home before 7:00. It worked, and when we told my dad, HIS EXACT WORDS were "Stay away from him, this guy sounds like a pedophile". Also, this man once told me I was like a "blooming rose" *shudders* So, according to YOUR logic, Madge, that makes my dad paranoid? Get REAL. Stop living in a fantasy, everything is perfect and peachy world, and see it for what it is. People/things are @!$%#ed up.

                            Hate to sound harsh, but if someone tries to hurt your children, you'll be WONDERING why you weren't more paranoid, sweetheart.

                            • 4 votes
                            #9.13 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:43 PM EDT

                            isis, was he a christian white man?

                              #9.14 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:17 PM EDT

                              Isis.. you are just filled with negativity, aren't you?

                              It's just foolish to think that the world was safer in the 1950s and the 1960s... than in todays world... and your anecdote which is suppose to proove what exactly? That you're paranoid? For all we know from your story is that the man you describe was a nice guy friendly to children... not everyone is sinister.. and wants to molest you. That's what's wrong with the world today.. people like you... I'm a guy.. and i'm actually afraid to be nice to kids.. I'm afraid to be around them.. and i know I'M being paranoid..

                              But the reason is when i was 16ish I was at a park, and I saw some little kids throwing sand at some other kid.. and they got it in his eye, and he was one the ground crying, and they were still throwing @!$%# at him... So i made them stop and helped the kid up and he ran off to his mom, and apparently told her i was the one throwing sand in his eyes... can you even imagine how much i was threatened and yelled at?.. just because some kid pointed his finger at me, when i was the only one around to help him.

                              And it's the same thing.. people assume guys are pedophiles because they're nice to kids... its disgusting... The world would be a better place if you stop treating people like criminals just because you suspect them to be one... I'm worried about Self-Fulfilling Prophecy.

                                #9.15 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:38 PM EDT

                                No I am NOT filled with negativity....I am about to get really @!$%#ing fired up now....you thought I was mad earlier, well that was BEFORE you made such a DISGUSTING assumption, and said such a HORRIBLE thing.

                                For all we know from your story is that the man you describe was a nice guy friendly to children... not everyone is sinister.. and wants to molest you. That's what's wrong with the world today.. people like you.

                                Ok, fine. If this guy was just a "nice guy" or just "friendly" then EXPLAIN to me why he tried to invite me into his house, because he had a necklace and other jewelery I would like. EXPLAIN to me why whenever I walked to school or to the store, he slowed in his truck and hollered "Heeeey sexy!!" or "Heeeeey woman!!" or whistled. EXPLAIN TO ME why I was unlocking my front door, checking the mail, and I turned to grab something from my purse, and I see him turning out of my driveway with a creepy grin on his face. Until that point, I don't even know how he knew where I lived, I never told him, and I was terrified. You haven't got a CLUE about what happened.

                                EXPLAIN to me why my brother and my father were also creeped out and worried about this. Did you NOT read my post? I am NOT the only one who felt bad vibes about it. I had two other people backing me, Mewers.

                                This situation has only happened ONCE in my life. I have only ever truly gotten creepy vibes from a man, felt true gut instincts, ONCE in my life. And yet............there you sit, trying to paint me as an overly paranoid man basher, despite this ONE time situation, when in REALITY, I know PLENTY of nice men, who are friendly, who do NOT give me the creeps.

                                I have only experienced this ONCE in my life, MEWERS!!!!!!!! I KNOW that not all men are predators, so don't you DARE try and paint me as a paranoid man hater!!!!!!!!! You were DEAD WRONG, and you need to THINK before you say such things.

                                Granted, there ARE women who are that paranoid, but I am NOT one of them.

                                You NEED to take that back, because you DISRESPECTED me, you EXAGGERATED my post, and used it to ASSUME, and to BASH me.

                                That's what's wrong with the world today.. people like YOU: I cannot BELIEVE that you would even say something so untrue, something so disgusting. I cannot believe you would exaggerate my point, and then label me a MAN basher, you ought to apologize.

                                • 1 vote
                                #9.16 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:22 PM EDT

                                Isis

                                Calm down. You didn't say all this in your original post. It is understandable that you would be leery of someone if he had done all that. But your original post only said he put his hands on your shoulders to pray which is a typical religious gesture while praying and that he called you a blooming rose, which to read could have meant anything since we didn't have the context. You can live your life freely and be friendly and yet careful. When we see a post, either yours, Carol's or Madge's, we only catch a glimpse of who the real person is behind the words. On the other hand, while posting, we need to remember that we may not be projecting our true selves to the other posters. I have been known to rant on these posts too. It is easy to do. But I find that if I go back and read and then reread what I have written, I will make changes before I post to be sure I'm actually conveying the picture I want.

                                • 2 votes
                                #9.17 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:09 PM EDT

                                Isis, you are losing it again, try to stay calm and remember no one knows you and everyone has a terrible life at many points on the trial, not just you.

                                eroding .. really? on your broom? what a silly thing to force as a negative image. I am a witch, we don't ride brooms and witch is not an easy swap for B--itch so keep it real or keep it to yourself, seriously!
                                (Laughs, silly people).

                                Now I have to wonder, what does all this speculation have to do with the actual tale and it's yet revealed facts? Try to remember we are all just speculating out here when we are not basing our opinions or comments on solid facts and the pro and con of our own feelings towards them. Seriously.

                                • 2 votes
                                #9.18 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:28 PM EDT

                                @Texas lady, I did not say ALL of it, but I DID say that my father had a bad feeling.

                                Isis, you are losing it again, try to stay calm and remember no one knows you and everyone has a terrible life at many points on the trial, not just you.

                                I realize that I'm not the only one with problems, but STILL, it really irked me when he/she said that I was a paranoid woman, when I only had that experience ONCE. I'm not gonna let one creep define my views of all men, and what he said to me "people like you"....he ASSUMED I'm one of those crazy paranoid man haters, so of COURSE I'm gonna get heated about it, and you better believe I'm gonna correct it, especially when my post is exaggerated like that.

                                  #9.19 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:41 PM EDT

                                  You're getting fired up again... Talking about EXAGGERATING someones post.. apparently i labeled you as a "MAN basher".. for that I must apologize.. i never meant for it to be "EXAGGERATED" out of my post to mean that. The other the UPS guy left the package for my neighbor at my condo instead of his.. and when i went to deliver it.. my neighbor a (70ish) year old man grabbed my hand with two hands and said "Thanks for being a good neighbor".. The sound of his voice, and the way he held my hand was pretty creepy.. it violated a few social norms.
                                  Personally I just thought the guy was Nice but weird.... However.. if it happened to a woman, the woman would probably think he was coming on to her... And if it happened to a kid, no parent would let their child near him.

                                  As far as your anecdote is concerned, you originally portrayed him as a creepy religious nut job.. touching your shoulder and praying from a bible, and saying you were like a "blooming rose".. are creepy, but harmless... personally, i find all religious people creepy.. but.. that's just me. I find it strange that of all the "bad" things this guy did... you listed the 2 most harmless when you were originally trying to portray him as a creepy pedophile.... but i won't get into that.... My point was.. you listed 2 creepy but harmless actions of a man.... and labeled him as a pedophile... and i was pointing out what's wrong with that. Getting bad "vibes" from someone doesn't make them evil.. no matter how many people can corroborate your vibes. And it's one thing to stay away from someone because you have had bad vibes, and it's a different thing to go on the internet, and describe some pedophile in your neighborhood...

                                  Of course yelling "hey sexy!" is inappropriate, however, i hate the idea of a nice guy being labeled as a perverted pedophile.. "This man offered my words of encouragement and tried to give me jewelry.. he's a pedophile!" I know this is the internet and anonymity applies... however, does it bother you that you could potentially ruin the life of a super nice guy, by labeling him as a pedophile?

                                    #9.20 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:49 PM EDT

                                    Look, I KNOW what my gut was telling me, this was NUMEROUS occurences of inappropriate behavior. Also, he didn't offer "words of encouragement", I SAW his eyes wandering, and he was reeeaaaaally trying to get me to come into his house. And the fact that I saw him in my driveway, grinning at me? This guy lived over three blocks away, that is crossing the line. Once again, I was terrified, and I REALLY got the gut feeling that time...the feeling of shooting adrenaline was almost painful. The ONLY reason I didn't call my dad at work was because he was likely busy winding a motor, and not on his break.

                                    Trust me when I say that there was a clear difference between this man's behavior, and that of other men I know.

                                    I know this is the internet and anonymity applies... however, does it bother you that you could potentially ruin the life of a super nice guy, by labeling him as a pedophile?

                                    No need to worry about that, my dad simply told me to take a different route to school, he finally backed off when I saw him driving alongside me, and I yelled "Leave me the hell alone, stay away from me, you creep me out!" Harsh, but I'd had enough at that point, and after all the previous BS, I wanted nothing to do with him.

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                                    #9.21 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:57 PM EDT

                                    Isis: What a story! It appears your instincts were working. I'm thinking that a non-emergency call to the police might have been a good idea, but only after your calmed down. If these incidences happened to you (in my driveway, for instance) that would for certain be beyond the norm. In any event, we're taught to listen to our instincts and oftentimes, just walk away. You are in charge in any situation; you have to fight off the feeling of intimidation. Sorry that the fear you felt then is still with you. Talking to others and taking the whole scenario apart will help you understand your feelings better.

                                      #9.22 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:43 AM EDT

                                      GEE Carol- you sound a little upset at maybe something that happened to you, nothing was mentioned about her sexuallity or anything along those lines

                                        #9.23 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:50 AM EDT

                                        Sorry that the fear you felt then is still with you.

                                        Thanks for the advice, but I already made it clear to Mewers that I haven't let this experience sour my attitude towards other men, or in general. Thanks for the concern though. Usually if I have a suspicious creep following me, and that's happened, I lift up a hand with keys between my fingers.

                                          #9.24 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:00 PM EDT
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                                          Sounds like she was talked into something by somebody and it ended badly... Sad.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          Reply#10 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:24 AM EDT

                                          Carol needs to get off her high horse.

                                          • 7 votes
                                          Reply#11 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:30 AM EDT

                                          A brash assumption?

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                                          #11.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:40 AM EDT
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                                          sold family possessions before disappearing? Text to her "sister" (what are the odds a killer would text sister and know that is the sister?)? I personally think she checked out of her life in New York and headed somewhere else to start over. If so, she should have let her family know of her plans. I pray she is ok and turns up soon...

                                          • 17 votes
                                          Reply#12 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:31 AM EDT

                                          Nothing in the text that was sent implied that the person knew he/she was sending it to the sister. All they said was "The person with this phone was dead.".

                                          If the person knew it was her sister, then it probably would've said "Your sister is dead."

                                          • 6 votes
                                          #12.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:02 AM EDT

                                          While the message was sent to the sister, there is no indication it was meant 'for' the sister. The odds of a killer knowing it was her sister do not matter, hence the message "the girl with this phone is dead". The odds are greater that whoever sent the message picked the first number in the contact list or just opened up the recent call list which just happened to be the sister.

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #12.2 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:13 AM EDT

                                          The text was probably to the last person, the sister, the girl last texted if it was someone else. The reason to text the sister I am sure was some inside sibling kick in the groin perpetrated by the girl herself. I wouldn't let this one bother me too much if I were the police.

                                            #12.3 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:26 PM EDT

                                            You could read a lot into the message. Just hope she is alright and it not so selfish as to contact her family.

                                              #12.4 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:28 PM EDT

                                              good point on the sister thing-unless it was the dad. you know how (those) people get upset when the daughters dis-respect the family in any kind of way. acid in thier face or a possible be-heading. the acid thing might stand out too much for that to happen here in the US.

                                                #12.5 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:56 AM EDT
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                                                This one seems pretty apparent. The girl sent the text and wants to disappear.

                                                • 5 votes
                                                Reply#13 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:36 AM EDT

                                                If it were my kid I would be beside myself. I hope this is not a hoax of sorts. That would be cruel.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                Reply#14 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:37 AM EDT

                                                So... you'd rather the girl be dead than it be a hoax? That's messed up.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #14.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:06 PM EDT

                                                Actually you want it to be a hoax. It is the best possible scenario for everyone.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #14.2 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:29 PM EDT

                                                @Mewers, did they SAY they wanted her dead? NO! Stop trying to take your thoughts and pass them off as somebody elses', then use it to bash them. How DARE you. YOU said that, not SID.

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                                                #14.3 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:46 PM EDT

                                                Why are you so mad isis?

                                                A hoax is defined as passing off something not true.. as if it was true... As in.. If I sent a text "The person who owns this phone is dead" and the person ISN'T dead.. it's a hoax....

                                                If the person WAS dead... than it WOULD NOT be a hoax.. it would be TRUTH.

                                                So don't pretend like i tried to take my thoughts and pass them off as somebody else's. If you hope it's NOT a hoax... you are saying you HOPE the person is DEAD... because the ONLY way for it not to be a hoax is if the girl is dead.... Is that really too hard for you to understand?

                                                  #14.4 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:10 PM EDT

                                                  So... you'd rather the girl be dead than it be a hoax? That's messed up.

                                                  SID NEVER said that. Just because it would be truth that does NOT mean that's what the poster supposedly "wanted". You don't know what he wants the outcome to be, so stop assuming.

                                                  So don't pretend like i tried to take my thoughts and pass them off as somebody else's. He is NOT the one who said it, YOU are, so that is what you are doing. LATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #14.5 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:26 PM EDT

                                                  Mewers - you are such an idiot. That is not what I meant but your ignorance is very clear. Thank you for clearing this up, ok? DA

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                                                  #14.6 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:10 PM EDT

                                                  Right... my "ignorance".. Considering you're the one who said "I hope this is not a hoax of sorts." It's almost the exact same thing as saying "I hope the person who sent the message wasn't lying!"... Do you really not understand that? I don't doubt that's not what you meant... but... seriously?

                                                  I'm really sorry for bringing logic into a battle against women... I'm also really sorry for that sexist comment.. however... Isis.. I really don't want to assume what you wanted to say in your last post.. So.. if you don't mind.. will you please verify that your last post is what you "wanted" to say. I don't want to make anymore more brash assumptions by taking your posts literally.

                                                    #14.7 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:22 PM EDT

                                                    Ok, you know something, you have already confused my point COMPLETELY.

                                                    Isis.. I really don't want to assume what you wanted to say in your last post.. So.. if you don't mind.. will you please verify that your last post is what you "wanted" to say.

                                                    I was not talking about me, I was talking aboud SID, what SID wanted to say, NOT me. I'm not gonna explain it to death though, you figure it out.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #14.8 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:09 PM EDT

                                                    Oh... i know what you were saying... I'm really not sure what "SID" means...

                                                    But what you said was: "Just because it would be truth that does NOT mean that's what the poster supposedly "wanted"." ASSUMING meaning that just because someone says something.. that's not what they wanted to say???? Am i getting that right?

                                                    So i just wanted to make sure what you said is what you "WANTED" to say.. because i know how you don't like people "assuming" things. I was trying to be nice...

                                                      #14.9 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:32 PM EDT

                                                      With all respect, there's no need to get hurt, I'm not trying to be harsh but almost everyday now, I have to go back and explain my posts.

                                                      because i know how you don't like people "assuming" things.

                                                      You're not wrong, and there's no need to put it in quotes, because there were assumptions. I'm sure you're trying to be nice, I'm trying to remain civil, and move on to another article.

                                                        #14.10 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:47 PM EDT
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                                                        I wonder if the texter found a body? Just because someone sent the text, doesn't necessarily mean they are the killer. I hope she's just zoned out. Mental illness often manifests in the early-mid 20s.

                                                        • 8 votes
                                                        Reply#15 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:38 AM EDT

                                                        good point.

                                                          #15.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:56 AM EDT

                                                          A stranger finds a body, see's their cell phone, opens it and randomly sends "The girl that owns this phone is dead." in a text and the person they randomly send to is the sister, but they don't call the authorities about the body and instead just walk away. Right......

                                                          • 7 votes
                                                          #15.2 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:00 AM EDT

                                                          Why turn the phone off then world.?

                                                          • 1 vote
                                                          #15.3 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:30 PM EDT

                                                          Did you miss my point Joe? She doesn't seem to be a dead body but more a person who wants to disappear. Why would a stranger send the text and then turn the phone off so it can no longer be tracked at all and not call the authorities to report the body? The cell phone is probably in a body of water somewhere in the area and that's why it was "turned off". Maybe the text was just her way to tell her family, though a really bad way, to forget about her.

                                                          On the other hand, it could be a serial killer getting out his yayas by torturing the family. If that is the case, then how would they know which contact in the phone was the sister and why wouldn't they just send a text to all of the contacts with the same message rather than single out one person?

                                                            #15.4 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:54 PM EDT
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                                                            Wow. It's really rare to find someone who's actually kind AND beautiful. It's really sad someone would kill a person like that. Hopefully this isn't some sort of sick serial killer who gets a kick out of texting the victims families.

                                                            I must say though, that is an awful picture to post of somebody that your trying to find. She's completley hidden in a Sari.

                                                            • 2 votes
                                                            Reply#16 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:38 AM EDT

                                                            What makes you think she's dead?

                                                            Did she have her sister listed as "my sister"?

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                                                            #16.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:42 AM EDT

                                                            Why do you feel that the combination of kind and beautiful is so hard to come by? I know a lot of very kind-hearted and beautiful people. Stereotype much?

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                                                            #16.2 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:38 PM EDT

                                                            Jim...It really doesn't matter how the girl has her contacts named in her phone. The person (if not the girl herself) could've just picked a random name in her contact list or maybe someone who she had recently sent a text to.

                                                              #16.3 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:46 PM EDT

                                                              I hate it when they say a beautiful girl is missing or something to that effect, why is that so, what if the person, wasn't all that good looking/ should it matter. are only pretty girls important, if they're not cute do they say so/ bull

                                                                #16.4 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:25 AM EDT
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                                                                she wants to go underground and in her mind, she is dead a the daughter her family knew,,and,,,in her mind, she has killed Rajwinder

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                                                                Reply#17 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:42 AM EDT

                                                                Maybe the serial killer who dumped all those bodies at the shore is back..?? He did use 1 girl's phone to torture the sister. Sick world!! I pray she's okay though. Thoughts and prayers go out to her family

                                                                  Reply#18 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:43 AM EDT

                                                                  People are murdered all the time, in strange circumstances, in this country. And, often plan "starting a new life" to look like their death. They often mislead family, police, and news media, as well. There have been stories of half a dozen, or more, "missing women" in the news, in the last few weeks. Life in modern America! Or, maybe just LIFE!

                                                                    #18.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:34 PM EDT
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                                                                    I was getting the impression that she was the victim of homicide, but then I read she sold all of her possessions on eBay shortly before disappearing. Not that the two are mutually exclusive, but it sounds like a case of giving up worldly possessions and starting anew. Perhaps faking her own death or disguising her disappearance as a death was the only way to truly be free.

                                                                    • 9 votes
                                                                    Reply#19 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:45 AM EDT

                                                                    Time may prove me wrong, but I'm going with the girl checking out of her old life and severing ties with her family and old friends. The text was her "goodbye".

                                                                    She just did it in a crappy way for the people who love her.

                                                                    • 5 votes
                                                                    Reply#20 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:46 AM EDT

                                                                    Maybe she told them she was moving on with a new life and received "push back." If she told them and they refused to listen or believe her, what else does one do?

                                                                      #20.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:46 PM EDT
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                                                                      Honor killing cover up.

                                                                      Who actually sold the items on ebay? Maybe too Western and had to be gone? Maybe she was too Western and had to be killed to save the family honor?

                                                                      just a thought.

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                                                                      Reply#21 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:55 AM EDT

                                                                      She was most probably Hindu. Hindus do not practice honor killings. More likely that her family was trying to arrange a Hindu marriage for her. There is much that is not in the article. For instance, what prompted the trip to India? The most likely reason I can think of is that she was being introduced to the family of a man her family had in mind.

                                                                      • 13 votes
                                                                      #21.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:10 AM EDT

                                                                      Texas Lady - Excellent points and observations of the Indian culture. Adversity to an arranged marriage is what I was also thinking.

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                                                                      #21.2 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:17 AM EDT

                                                                      That's exactly what I thought, TexasLady. Nothing will get a young lady to run faster or farther then being sentenced to a future she does not want.

                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                      #21.3 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:29 AM EDT

                                                                      Wow. Hadn't thought of that. Excellent point to ponder, Texas Lady.

                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                      #21.4 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:36 AM EDT

                                                                      deys brown people, must dun be an honor killin.

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                                                                      #21.5 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:28 PM EDT

                                                                      Actually, I believe she is Sikh. I don't believe they practice arranged marriages, although I think "matchmakers" are still used by more traditional Sikhs; there is just parental pressure (and a lot of it) not to marry outside of the Sikh religion. (Any Sikhs are free to correct me if I'm wrong.)

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                                                                      #21.6 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:02 PM EDT

                                                                      emmygee

                                                                      I'm not disputing what you said, but I'm curious what would make you think she is Sikh? Is it perhaps her name or the fact that she was volunteering in a homeless shelter? I thought I knew a lot about India, but never thought about that possibility. You rarely hear the Sikhs mentioned (surprising since they make up the world's 5th largest organized religion). I looked up Sikh after reading your post and I like what I read about them.

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                                                                      #21.7 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:56 PM EDT

                                                                      "Kaur" is the last name that most Sikh women use, although I think it's also sometimes taken as a middle name. I believe it was originally intended to provide Sikh women with equal status to men, and also to eliminate prejudice created by last names based on caste. Sikh men use the last name Singh, and sometimes women do, also. It is a pretty interesting religion.

                                                                        #21.8 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:27 PM EDT

                                                                        I thought so too. I'd like to learn more about it. I'm not interested in converting, but I like to learn more about religions. This one seems that it took the best of Buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam and rolled it into a religion better than the other three. It makes sense this religion would be most prevalent in Punjab. If you look at a map, that is at or near the point where the areas controlled by those 3 religions would meet. I was married to a man from UP for years. I'm sincerely surprised I don't know more about this religion.

                                                                          #21.9 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:21 PM EDT

                                                                          Watch too much TV? Listen to Fox much?

                                                                            #21.10 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:51 AM EDT

                                                                            happens all the time-this one just got in the news. Acid in the face would be a little too noticable for even US standards

                                                                              #21.11 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:38 AM EDT

                                                                              I don't care what the religion is all these people make me shutter, wasn't bin laden found in India? ok, I don't think any of them are safe, they aren't just going to come over here and learn to act civilized. everyone should beware and watch over your shoulder with these people.

                                                                                #21.12 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:42 AM EDT

                                                                                No. Bin Laden was found in Pakistan. Saying you don't care what their religion is and that you are afraid of all those people just shows how uninformed you are. Why don't you try reading about the Sikhs and then see what you think? The Hindus despise Muslims. They've been invaded one too many times by their Muslims neighbors. The reason the Indian women now wear saris is that Muslim invaders insisted they cover themselves like Muslim women or face death. After a while, it was just an accepted form of dress. Lumping the Hindus in with Muslims would be like calling an Irishman English. Try going to a pub in Belfast and doing that and see what happens.

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                                                                                #21.13 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:03 AM EDT

                                                                                Seewhat, I think you just just stay in your house, shutter your windows (see how I used the word "shutter" properly here?), and keep living in fear of everyone who is a different color than you. Did you not read the part where I said Sikh women are afforded equal status with men? Yeah, you could teach people a lot about being "civilized". Completely unfounded, uninformed hate and prejudice are not the basis of a civilized society. Every time I read an uneducated, inane comment like yours, I shudder (again, note proper usage).

                                                                                  #21.14 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:36 AM EDT
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                                                                                  Sounds like she wanted to start a new life......Hope it works out for her.

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                                                                                  Reply#22 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:59 AM EDT

                                                                                  Can we please get the Obamas to vist India, too?

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                                                                                  Reply#23 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:00 AM EDT

                                                                                  Paul,

                                                                                  This is a story about a young woman who's missing. Take your political B.S. to another forum, or go to India. I for one would prefer the latter!

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                                                                                  #23.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:20 AM EDT

                                                                                  with a one way ticket.

                                                                                    #23.2 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:16 PM EDT
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                                                                                    I'm only speculating here, but the fact that the girl is from India, makes me think Hindu. Althought the article doesn't say so, it may be that her family was trying to arrange a marriage and she wanted no part of it. Althougth that practice is less prevalent among the educated and almost nonexistent in those that live in the United States, many Hindus still practice that today. They think they are protecting their daughters by making sure they are taken care of when they are gone.

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                                                                                    Reply#24 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:00 AM EDT

                                                                                    Perhaps she wanted just religious freedom and her family held onto values that she no longer associated with.

                                                                                      #24.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:34 PM EDT

                                                                                      Perhaps. Emmygee posted above that she may be Sikh. That is a possibility too.

                                                                                        #24.2 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:59 PM EDT
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                                                                                        "Kaur reportedly sold her family possessions on eBay before disappearing, sources said. Her family said she had become more spiritual after a trip to India last winter, but don't believe she would have disappeared abruptly."

                                                                                        That's too much of a coincidence. I think she's still alive but that she has decided to take up a new identity as a result of her spiritual experiences. She no longer considers herself to be the person her family knew.

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                                                                                        Reply#25 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:01 AM EDT

                                                                                        I tend to agree with Bob_109. The fact that she sold her possesions sounds as if she were planning to disapear. Maybe she joined a cult or something. What happened to the money she received for selling her things? So many questions and no answers, only assumptions. I hope she is alright and her family finds some peace.

                                                                                          #25.1 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:03 PM EDT

                                                                                          Cult...very unlikely. The fact that she worked at a homeless shelter shows that her compassion was very high. I would suspect she sold her possessions and moved to a different location. It doesn't say what her religion is but as a female in a Hindu or Muslim religion...there's all types of reasons as to why she may want to leave. Perhaps the family held onto values that she no longer associated with.

                                                                                            #25.2 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:32 PM EDT
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