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Subscribe to RSSInvestigators are probing whether contamination at a city laboratory could have led to the match between DNA found at the murder scene of a Juilliard student eight years ago and a chain used at a recent Occupy Wall Street protest, law enforcement sources said Wednesday.
Two sources said investigators are looking at an NYPD lab technician and whether that technician came in contact with both pieces of evidence, causing the match, NBCNewYork.com reported.
Earlier in the day, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office said all employees there were screened as possible source of the DNA and that all of the medical examiner's employees were ruled out as the source of possible contamination.
Further testing to try to finalize the source of the DNA is continuing, the medical examiner's spokeswoman said.
Read the original story at NBCNewYork.com
"We are still actively investigating the DNA match," said the spokeswoman, Ellen Borakove.
NBC 4 New York reported Tuesday that DNA evidence from the scene of Sarah Fox's murder in Inwood Hill Park in 2004 has been connected to DNA from a chain left at the Carroll Street F station in Brooklyn during a protest at 7:05 a.m. on March 28.
Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said Wednesday that he could not comment on the case.
Fox was found nude and strangled in the park in May 2004, days after she disappeared during a daytime jog. Investigators recovered her pink CD player in the woods just yards from her body.
Dimitry Sheinman, 47, has long been considered a suspect in the Fox murder. He was never charged in the case and has been living in South Africa.
Sheinman recently returned to New York City, proclaiming to be a clairvoyant with knowledge of the killer's identity. He asked to meet with police to give them information about the alleged killer; the details he offered are unknown.
Sources said Sheinman remains a leading person of interest. His DNA, which police have on file, was not found on the chain or at the 2004 murder scene. The DNA of the crime-scene detective who handled the chain has also been ruled out, sources said.
Sheinman did not respond to a request for comment.
In March, protesters chained open emergency gates and taped up turnstiles in eight subway stations and posted fliers encouraging passengers to enter for free.
"I hope the person or persons who killed this young woman are found and brought to justice," said Bill Dobbs, a spokesman for Occupy Wall Street. "We don't know anything about it ... I hope no one jumps to any conclusions."
No one was arrested in the March subway protest incidents.
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So much for a Peaceful, nonviolent, protest. The Occupy movement was not movement but a Mob with out a goal....I'm not summarily accusing OWS as the culprit but the Mass confusion that it created has still not going away. My prayers go to the family of the victim.
Read an entire article not just the part you'd like to be true. This article is about possible evidence contamination in the lab, meaning there is no credible link to OWS. Read before running your mouth, you'll look less like a fool that way.
why test the dna of the chains in the first place?...something else is going on here and it is not being reported.
Flame 77_7 You sir, are a menace!
Read the last four posts and you find the answer. Why are a bunch of protesters so important that the city would spend a few hundred thousand dollars on dna tests? the dna may belong to any one of dozens of people who went through the door that the chains where holding open, why is it so important to make people dislike these particular protesters? I will bet there is no dna, no arrest will be made. The hidden rich are running in fear. Why? what downfall do they have in mind for America. Kennedy said "the only thing we have to fear, is fear itself." But if you are part of the .001% the only thing you have to fear is the people of america becoming united. Flame is a great example of what this story is about, get people like flame to look down on these guys and America stays divided.
No offense, but I believe FDR said it first
As the murder occurred several years ago, how many hands have touched that chain? Weak link?
all you lib dickstips....I mean dipsticks are laughable. You don't leave dna on a chain or anything else by touching it.......what a bunch of maroons
Ken you are the 'dipstick' you can leave DNA anywhere.
DNA comes from a single cell, and it is in your sweat, tears, hair, skin, Spit, you leave it behind all the time.
When they were DNA testing remains at the WTC site they asked for combs and toothbrushes as excellent sources of DNA material.
Another similar thing,,,are you aware that the majority of money you come in contact with will test positive for Cocaine residue?
Ken, just where do you think DNA comes from? It is in every cell of your body.
I love how conservatives are so easily swayed by propaganda. It is people like you will be bring about the end of this once great nation because you are too simple minded to see when you are being lied to. metanoia-films.org/psywar go here and watch this, it will explain to you just how YOU are being manipulated. I know you wont and if you do you wont "get it" because I can tell you are too far gone already, but there might be a chance you can be deprogrammed.
Ok... since I got vilified... I guess I have to reply.... VIABLE DNA will not be used if it's mixed in with dozens of other... The only reason they are even reporting it was because IT WAS A MATCH...
A match.... is the key... Now they are investigating IF contamination could have caused a match.
In my post I assert that the OWS was not peaceful,,, caused the city (s) millions of dollars, closed businesses (that were not in the 1%) and there was even a people who could not leave there apartments because of the protest... BUT I clearly DID NOT accuse the OWS for the murder....
But hey... being vilified, called and idiot wont' be the first time from Lib Viners... actually getting used to it... no offence taken...and (unlike some of you) I won't collapse you. I'm glad to live in a country where I can disagree and still be civil (unless you don't see it the Libs way... they just call you names and collapse your comments.)
You caught the part where the link to OWS turned out to be wrong, right? The bit about how there is no longer any credible evidence linking the murder to OWS in any way whatsoever?
It's called 'burying the news'
Actually, I didn't catch that. I read that they are looking for possible contamination, but were unable to find it yet. Where exactly does it say the link turned out to be wrong?
I bet this was just a publicity stage for the mayor! Boohoo politics!
I didn't read any earlier version of the article, but nowhere does it say that they confirmed it was contamination, just that it is a possible explanation. The big question is what about the leftover chain made them feel the need to test it for DNA in the first place? Was it covered in blood and hair or something?
The motivation to test the chain for DNA was POLITICS.
Do we run around testing every chain that anybody finds on the street?
I believe we have begun to test everything for DNA, not just the obvious
Why on EARTH was this article put out other than to give simpletons a way of connecting OWS with killers?
Why did we need to know this piece of trivial info....we didn't. Why is it NEWS?
It's called "seed material" for the jack arses on Fixed news to huff and puff about and spread fear based mininformation. "Not only were all the OWS protesters jobless bums and drug users but there is evidence now that they are KILLERS too".....this quote will probably happen tomorrow.
Can't wait for Cobert to collect the clips and play them all together.
Ha! Well said!
I smell a rat, folks. This here may not have been an 'accident'. Especially when a few hours before this was released someone claiming to be a paid disinfo agent informed me OWS was about to be 'completely crushed'.
why the hell were they testing a chain used to barricade something for DNA? Unless they were truly trying to make up evidence to discredit OWS. Do you know how many people NOT associated with OWS could have walked by and touched that chain? This is nothing more than the New York Gestapo trying to justify the brutality they used against a peaceful LEGAL and very warranted protest. Knowing the scams the cops tried to use to discredit them I would not be surprised if they themselves didn't plant the evidence, we have seen how ruthless and dishonest these thugs can be in the videos of their brutality used against OWS and the recent raids on medical marijuana distributors. I bet the cops didn't handle that chain with gloves on when they took it, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't one of those sadistic cops that killed that woman in the first place and that is why they have matching DNA, sites like alt and collarme (BDSM sites dealing with sadomasochism) are filled with cops.
I realize we don't know the whole story but without knowing why the chain was there or its purpose, what made investigators test for DNA connected to this particular murder from eight years ago? Was a chain used/connected to the murder or was this just a random check? I'd like to know more specifics to understand the connection.
"The spirit was freedom and justice
And its keepers seemed generous and kind
It's leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't pay it no mind.
'Cause the people grew fat and got lazy
Now their vote is a meaningless joke
They babble about law and order
But it's all just an echo of what they've been told.
The cities have turned into jungles
and corruption is stranglin' the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand.
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole world's got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner, we can't pay the cost.
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there...watching."
Excerpted from the song "Monster" by Steppenwolf, 1969
Sadly, once again, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
What a bunch of BS, the cops are trying to use a smear campaign to discredit OWS. Now first of all why would they be testing a chain used in a mass protest for DNA unless they were trying to make up evidence to discredit them. And secondly do you know how many thousands of people NOT associated with OWS could have touched that chain, including hundreds of cops? And thridly you know that the cops didnt use rubber gloves when they took things like a chain down from the barricades, I watched the viedos and those cops were just grabbing people and beating them and ripping stuff down without even a thought of preserving forensic evidence. As many cameras as were rolling I bet we can find a video of the cops handling that chain with their bare hands. I smell a rat, this is a set up pure and simple, and not a very well thought out one at that. I hope this backfires and blows up in their face. It is sad that the people we hire to protect us have turned into the least trust worthy people in the country, cops are nothing but sadistic thugs and liars anymore.
Kind of makes you wonder how many times and from where your DNA has shown up
The DNA analyses were done at the request of forensic anthropologists who were exploring the hypothesis that Occupy Wall Street (OWS) protesters share common genetic traits with Neanderthals, hence the idea to test the chain links, since the chain links would have a blend of DNA from a group of OWS protesters . . .
Doing a check with criminal databases was a secondary activity, but quite unexpectedly it garnered a match, and the rest is news . . .
So, instead of getting only the expected Neanderthal matches, the anthropologists also were able to connect the OWS protesters to several heinous crimes, although at present only one such crime is being revealed to the public, really . . .
Really! :-o
Nice try troll but I think there is a better chance that the cops have neanderthal DNA from the way the acted during the protests, like brainless animals. I also think there is a better chance the DNA belongs to one of the cops since they are such sadistic bastard they would be more likely to commit a "heinous crime" of rape and murder than peace activists would. You are probably either a cop or a Fox Noise troll just over here to spread more hate and discontent, but it's too late, they already pulled the story when they realized 99% of the people posting were onto the fact that it was just an anti OWS propaganda piece.
Hmmm or this lab person may connected in other ways ????
Another BS story to get you to read the ads!
What are the odds that a specific lab technician came in contact with the same sample/s 6-7 years apart and that their work is consistantly shoddy? If the work performed by this lab technician is shoddy, throw out all convinctions by DNA (from this lab tech) and all DNA collected by this lab tech. If not...please unrestrictedly restict our rights until the villain is caught!
Police Commissioner Ray Kelly chooses not to comment to postpone embarassing his department.
What a load. Sounds like someone is trying real hard to discredit the movement with false allegations, innuendo, and suspicion. I feel maybe some members of the Police are behind this, just like they were behind other attempts to discredit the protests. Theres been a few cases of police doing stuff they shouldnt. Im not surprised some might even try something illegal like this.
Since it began, some police have tried to goad people into reacting so they could then arrest them, and declare the movement as violent etc. They have bullied and pushed people around as much as they could get away with, calling people every name under the sun hoping they would react with anger. They have used every excuse to beat people, spray them with pepper-spray, arrest them on nonsense allegations. The list goes on and on. They have even put people in to the crowd pretending to be protesters, to cause trouble and even go so far as commit vandalism.
I cant prove it obviously, but everyone involved in the protest knows its true. Police are well known to send members out to pretend to be protesters. To gather intel, etc. Considering how they were all over everyone for every little thing during the protest, I find it very suspicious they never managed to catch the trouble makers who actually did cause trouble.
There needs to be an investigation of the Police forces and find out who's been doing what. Checking members private communications online and otherwise to see what they have been spreading while pretending to be ordinary posters. And see what they have said to other members who may feel as they do. Its no secret there are some hardcore right wingers in the police forces. In fact, I think some officers were already reprimanded for saying things online they shouldn't, making threats etc. Back when the protests were big news.
I think this goes deep, and theres more to this then is coming out. This was a deliberate attempt to discredit the movement. And if that is true, its needs to be exposed. And if its an honest mistake, then that needs to be shown aswell. The truth needs to be found here.
"Police Commissioner Ray Kelly chooses not to comment to postpone embarassing his department."
Too late for that.
Even tough I think the OWS is an Anarchist movement with professional protestors.
I didn't jump to the conclusion it was somebody from OWS.
Nor did the Article state the OWS protestors were being investigated.
Just that it was where the protest occurred.
With surveillance Cameras they may have seen somebody OTHER than the protestors touching/handling the Chain, we are speculating.
And some are jumping to Conclusions.
I kinda was leading to a Subway Employee.
But in reality, it could be anybody.
According to the Article it was at same location as an Eight Year Old Murder. The Police always withhold information on unsolved murder cases, they have some reason to Test the Chain.
"Investigators are probing whether contamination at a city laboratory could have led to the match between DNA found at the murder scene of a Juilliard student eight years ago and a chain used at a recent Occupy Wall Street protest, law enforcement sources said Wednesday."
However, I believe the DNA got , "contaminated", after the uproar that the innuendo was that a OWS was a possible suspect.
It's a convenient way to make the story go away.
Hopefully, the real murderer will eventually get caught.
Why do I believe the OWS people are being paid?
I came across a group in Camarillo, CA.
Funny how they were able to fill their Tank using ARCO gasoline, paid with a Credit Card. They were dressed in designer Jeans, new shoes and a two year old Mini Van. ARCO by the way is owned by BP
BP the killer of the Gulf of Mexico.
Blasphemy..................
What was the point in testing a *chain* at random? Were the police hoping to arrest an OWS member for illegal use of a chain?
STUPID people! OWS did NOT even exist in 2004... OWS was not even THOUGHT OF OR CREATED in 2004!
Thank you KOCH Brothers, for more G-No-P propaganda aimed to slam anything and everything that could ever be associated with the Left.
Are you OK? They are saying someone at an OWS protest may have the same DNA, as was found at a murder scene 8 years ago.
Gee, no wonder you fall for the crap that the KOCH Bros. are responsible for all the problems in the world..
It couldn't possibly be part of the OWS crowd. Since the OWS is a creation of the Democratic Party, they will defend it to the end. Were this a Tea Bagger's DNA, I'm sure contamination would not be an issue.
This is just trumped up right wing allegations.
Go OWS !!
"This is just trumped up right wing allegations" .. This is just trumped up left wing allegations.
Might be time for the police force to turn and look at themselves...
Once again it's proven that Fox News LIES yet again!!!! ahahahahahahahaha
To what are you referring?
This was likely part of the continuing effort to discredit OWS. How about being sure you're right before releasing the information?