Mental health disorders in active-duty troops increased 65 percent since 2000, according to a report released this week by the Armed Forces Health Surveillance Center.
The report looked at a 12-year period between 2000 and 2011 and found that more than 936,000 service members had been diagnosed with at least one mental disorder. Of those diagnoses, about 85 percent were cases of adjustment disorders, depression, alcohol abuse and anxiety, among other conditions.
Between 2003 and 2008, the rate of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) increased nearly sixfold; by 2011, there were more than 100,000 diagnoses. The report, however, did not evaluate mental disorders in relationship to deployments.
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Previous studies have found a link between deployment and increased rates of PTSD. In a 2008 report, researchers found that Marines who had no pre-deployment mental disorder and served in Iraq and Afghanistan were likely to have lower rates of all types of mental disorders except PTSD when compared to Marines who had not deployed for combat. Other studies have shown greater rates of PTSD and anxiety disorders in service members who had deployed a second or third time.
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This week's analysis, published in the June 2012 Medical Surveillance Monthly Report, showed that nearly 70 percent of all mental health problems were related to "life circumstances," a category that includes deployment, bereavement and relationships. Over the 12-year period, rates of mental illness related to life circumstances remained stable until 2003 and peaked in 2005. The rates declined and then increased again in 2009.
Women, service members 20 and younger and healthcare workers were the most vulnerable groups, according to the report. Rates of some mental disorders among women were more than twice as high than for men; rates of mental illness for many diagnoses were highest among those 20 and younger; and healthcare workers had relatively high rates of mental illness, particularly for PTSD.
Related: Women in the infantry? Bad idea, female Marine officer says
The report, which was based on medical records of active-duty service members, said the rates of mental disorders and problems were likely "underestimates" if individuals didn't seek or receive care or were improperly diagnosed.
"These findings reinforce previous reports that have documented a rise in demand for mental health services in the active component force and suggest that continued focus on detection and treatment for mental health issues is warranted," the report said.
Rebecca Ruiz is a reporter at msnbc.com and a 2011-2012 Rosalynn Carter Mental Health Journalism Fellow. Follow her on Twitter here.
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Another example of the weak children being raised today.
I hate to say it but I think it is because they found out they can get lifetime disability from the vets admin. I know a couple of people who are doing just that. Their disability doesn't keep them from doing anything that I can tell.
I've met only 5 Iraq/Afganistan vets...and 4 of them were commiting PTSD fraud...one of em' chuckeled and called it milk money when talking to his friends.
@Jane Shaner
I know one doing that and training in mixed martial arts. Go figure.
If it's fraud report it. That's our tax dollars going to this "milk money" fund.
my military friend posted on his facebook yesterday that (@6am) he was trying to blow a .40 or better in his breathalyzer....I saw this as a suicide threat...many would probably disregard it, but I fear his state of mind if he was willing to post such a harmful post about himself. I hope all is being done for these kids....
you say weak, but I say a bigger capacity to relate to other humans....trauma was always there, just not brought to light. And many of these kids were raised by military men.....and so on....
That's a pretty sick comment. These service members have had multiple deployments, (some as many as 6) over 11 years.) Grab a gun and head to Afghanistan, tough guy.
I also know that fraud runs ramped. A girl I know who says she hurt her back, no physical appearance of injury, hikes, pick up her pit bull, goes to school for casting Iron, lifts, etc, also claims PTSD, is now on disability for the rest of her life.....my boyfriend, shot on a UN food run for Samalia, Mogadishu, nothing!! not even healthcare!!! He doesn't want anything to do with what happened. (Battle of Mogadishu,15th Marine Expeditionary Unit)
The US becoming dependent on the Military Industrial Complex as a way of life for the US, has a lot more consequences than immediately meets the eye!
Carl, what an absolutely vile and repulsive comment. These people are serving in the United States Armed Forces. They are repeatedly ripped from their families and friends and sent for months on end into hellholes you and I cannot begin to imagine, often placed in mortal jeopardy, and many come back grievously wounded.
These people have served more deployments, and many have served more time in those deployments, than the soldiers who fought in World War II, Korea, or Vietnam.
We may disagree very strongly with the politicians who have sent them on these missions - I certainly do - but these people are far from weak. They are the true 1% of this country. They are the strongest of the strong, the bravest of the brave, and they deserve our respect and our support. I would FAR rather have my tax dollars go to pay for their medical and mental health care than for yet another bank bailout, oil subsidy, farm subsidy, wasteful weapons procurement program, or just about anything else.
Your comment is repellent and disgusting. And for those of you who claim that fraud is rampant based on your knowledge of one or two people who are committing it, I would encourage you to consider the broad gulf between anecdotal evidence and valid, useful statistics
sandtrich
YES CARL should grab an M-16 and go for it !!!!
The dumbass has never been there or done that. To add to the strength of your reply , I have this to add . Proven fact !!!!! The average VIETNAM VET saw more combat than the average WW11 VET did . I am taking nothing away from those guys as they fought one hell of a war . But studies have proven this to be true . Now multiply that by the number of deployments and you end up with one STRESSED OUT G.I. P.T.S.D. can bring you down at any time, any where. Not all of us who have it, showed symptoms at the same time. Some times it takes a trigger event to set us off . In other words we are ticking time bombs , just waiting for the signal to go off. For each one of us it is a different event.
bob
roadlesstraveled, and sandtrich,
Both of you are spot on. I can't believe these folks posting their bull-@!$%#e. They don't sound very grateful for the sacrifices made for their freedoms.
More like a weak comment
A couple of things about the article and the posts:
1) If you haven't been there, don't feel free to comment. Unless you know that icy feeling of impending death, you have no inkling of what you are talking about. But this thing I will tell you --- I have known several people with real PTSD and all of them had one thing in common --- they would make light of it or try to laugh it off or do the very things you describe. They do it because of jerks like you that kick wounded vets.
2) The article is only half of the PTSD/TBI/mental disorders story. The other half is the Vetran's Administration Hospital System. Those people are in the same shape. Google Ira Katz VA and you will find considerable testimony about mental disorders and suicides among vets. It's the same thing, just years down the pike.
3) I can so easily see how easy the things can be catching up with our troops. One year in Vietnam (67-68, Tet) was bad enough, but it was only 365 days and a bag drag. Now the troops go back and back and back in up to a dozen deployments to combat zones and no end in sight. Either something in your mind snaps or your rationally decide that they will keep sending you back until you are killed.
Carl 929595--What an idiotic comment...do you also think those struggling with Traumatic Brain Injury or severe burns/amputations as a result of IEDs/etc. are"weak?" It is obvious you have had no experience with those who put their lives on the line.
My uncle, a tail gunner shot down in a Flying Fortress in Italy, ended up as a POW. He graduated from Mizzou with his GI benefits, worked briefly for Westinghouse, & was laid off in the late '50s. He never held a job again, and died in 1984. I remember hearing comments about him from people like you when I was growing up. Now, 50+ years later, as a mental health professional who worked with Viet Nam vets in a correctional setting, I'm sure my uncle had PTSD, in addition to the heart attack in the '50s.
People like you are just part of why it's taken so long for veterans from many wars to get the services they need--the public likes to wave the flag & send its youth to war, but the public doesn't want to pay for the aftermath of war...they want to just "keep shopping" as Bush II recommended when asked how people could support the war. Supporting our troops takes more than waving a pretty piece of red/white/blue fabric in a parade, or making a speech in front of a "Mission Accomplished" banner.
Oh, Carl! Thanks for being SO brave and posting that from your cushy chair while stuffing a third Hot Pocket into your piehole! What would we do without you? There'd be a shortage of idiocy, that's for sure.
Carl-929595 - Please take your worthly self over to the middle east and take one of this guys place. You seem to know so much and yet don't know anything.
Have you people given any thought to the fact that the "New" military is in a combat-stateside-combat-stateside-combat-stateside situation?
During WW2 and Korea our soldiers went to war and stuck to it, this was trying on their nervous system and sense of morals to be sure BUT they had a clearly marked enemy and didn't have to change their way of life on-and-off-and-on as our fighting cadre are today. Think about how that would throw off a person's mental balance. It began in 'Nam and I've seen the results of this in the soldiers that surround me both then and now at the VA.
Add to that the fact that it is WE that spoil our kids and grand-kids always wanting to give them more than WE ever had, (Parenting 101). So if you care to go around knocking our Men and Women in uniform as being "WEAK" keep in mind who made them that way. Remember when you point your finger at someone else, THREE fingers are pointing right at you
This from a weakling who prefers to let others do his fighting for him.
...as Carl chimes in safely from behind his well used keyboard.
Carl
Your comment is disgusting.
Unless you have been in combat or live with someone who has.SHOUT YOUR DAMN MOUTH!
My husband has had 5 deployments 2 to Iraq during the worst of the fighting...He endured IED attacks where the Humvee in front was blown up friends died in the blast and from the blast my husband lost his eyesight for awhile and now has trouble seeing, He was throw from a Humvee and has hurt his back.
Roadlesstraveled you can have a back injury that doesn't effect you everyday.
My husband has seen his friends die and civilians, nightmares are a part of my families life, sometimes driving makes him anxious when traffic gets to close, we can't go to crowded dark bars. My husband doesn't even have it as bad as some of the men and women but you feel so helpless when they're going through this.
PTSD did not start in Vietnam, but has always been with us.
Was has always been with us (homo sapiens).
Fraud is everywhere in human life, and the whole system is set up by wealthy people who have law degrees, or who hire lawyers to give them every advantage over other human beings.
I am not a fan of war, but did take the place of others, unwilling to go in Vietnam (not a hero, by the way).
Many are jealous that some veterans get compensation. If they only got $25 a month, most would not be jealous.
Even other veterans are jealous of those with high compensation pensions. I used to joke in my therapy groups, and say that it was a sure sign of PTSD if one vet was saying, "i have it, but that guy is faking!" LOL
Jealously, cheating, lying and the unfairness of life run rampant wherever you look in the human spectrum.
Veterans deserve the compensation they get, and much more. The ones who deserve it the most are those in body bags who never got any life or reward after their war experience.
The politicians party, the wealthy spend their money, while the military people risk their lives and mental health. THAT'S HUMAN NATURE FOR YA'.
Roger Stavitz in Danforth, Maine.
Our troops have been fighting two "Lost Cause" wars for years. It is no wonder many of them are unhappy.
Does anyone really think another 11 years in Afghanistan can accomplish anything the previous 11 years did not?
The sad truth is that other than Panama and Granada, the US military hasn't really won a war since 1945.
Its time to bring our troops home from all 150+ nations in which they are deployed. It is time for the "Department of Defense" go go back to defending the Homeland.
@JEM
Although there havent been exactly a plethora of victories, not too many armies are effective in assymetrical warfare. As far as conventional ones go, what do you consider the first Gulf War?
Gulf War One had to be done over, so it can't be called a victory.
Victory can only be claimed when the threat for which the war
was fought is actually eliminated.
Do you really think it is a productive use of life and treasure to
continue to press on in Afghanistan at a cost of $11 billion, 182 dead
and 1364 wounded solders per year plus whatever the costs the war
may be inflicting on the Afghans?
While we are pondering, do you really think Iran would be a threat today
if our CIA had not overthrown the only elected president the Iranian people
ever had back in 1953 so that the Shah could be put in place?
Our "Foreign Policy" is doing far more harm than good and is putting the
American people at risk. Lets withdraw while we can and bring our troops
home.
Lets adopt the foreign policy of Norway. It is no accident that terrorists target
Americans rather than Norwegians.
Sorry Jem
we beat the hell out of the NVC and NVA. In the early 90's their government finally admitted as much with well over 1,000,000 KIA. The truth is they didn't roll into South Viet Nam till our military presence didn't amount to much more than Embassy marines...and even that wasn't until actual combat actions by us had been over for quite some time, almost a couple years.
Just in case you guys have forgotten !!!!
We haven't fought an honest war since WW11. All that came after were political wars. Brought to us by the Military / Industrial complex . Keep the economy going ( and we are a war based economy believe it or not ) with profit at any and all cost. As long as it it not my kids fighting in it.
bob
No, Korea was an honest war. A war we fought to save a people and it was the UN that came together in a heartbeat to do it.
WWII from the US point of view could have been prevented. We could've easily stayed isolationist, but the Japanese bombed us because we offered them tons of sticks and no carrots. The Iranians would do the same thing today but they don't have the capability the Japanese had.
We haven't won a war since 1945 b/c no one in our government has had any balls since 1945. We are still trying to assuage our guilt for blowing people up in 1945. And, since Vietnam, we have been too busy being politically correct to actually accomplish anything.
Nuke the middle east for morbid. Take the oil. And then dare anyone to retaliate.
We have become spineless losers who puff out our chests and then pay to rebuild everyone we huffed, and puffed, and blew down. Pathetic.
I hope Troy is kidding. The USA is not the whole world after all, and IMHO, we - as a country - are maturing. I supported the first Gulf War because it was justified and supported by a great many countries. The second one though, was not. Remember, no Weapons of Mass Distruction were ever found and thousands of our young people were killed and many more were injured, disabled, and/or mentally wounded. The same happened to many more innocent Iranians and others there. Like any war, ever. And remember, we had no national debt when G.W. Bush took office and would not have one now if we weren't sticking our noses where it doesn't belong. Bush II was quoted a while back in AARP magazine, while in verfy comfortable retirement, that he "had no regrets" about what he did as president. Of course, he was just the goofy puppet of his V.P. and other advisors. I'm a Viet-Nam era Vet, BTW, but did not serve there. Of course, I support our Vets all the way (except those faking innesses) and wish we did better by those that need help.
scotlee09
The Vietnamese government reported to the Russian government that 1205 US prisoners were being held.
Only 591 prisoners were released.
Therefore, the Vietnamese government kept 614 prisoners.
It is likely that this was known to Nixon and several presidents since.
Finding oneself so desperate to end a war as to deliberately leave several hundred prisoners
to grow old in enemy captivity just to make the war stop does not sound like much of a victory.
Google "John McCain and the POW Coverup"
It's very difficult to achieve a "Total" victory when you're not engaged in a "Total" War.
The definition of the word "Victory" this passed half-a-century is fleeting. As near as I can determine its definition is, "Accomplishment of One's stated and limited purposes at the time of disengagement". The trouble with our engagements of late is that the "Stated Purposes" have either been lies (remember the Military Industrial Complex?) or constantly is a state of flux which will not allow a positive definition.
Jem:
interesting point but one that completely avoids the reality of the disparity of casualties between the two countries. Look at the total number of casualties of NVC and NVA over that time period and compare to the age cohorts percentage vs the total population...sorry but they simply didn't have many able bodied young people with which to left with which to fight. The reality is that in many instances the best regiments of the NVA army had been wiped out repeatedly over decades and were simply incapable to continue fighting.
The desperation from a military standpoint definitely was coming from communist Viet Nam by 1972 and a brief comment by one of their own commanding generals underscores that point. General Tran Van Tra said at the time that "The Military Region 9 Command (Western Nam Bo) sent a message straightforwardly that the Regional Command order and immediate cessation of hostilities so that we could reorganize our forces. The troops were no longer capable of fighting!" (Tra, Vietnam: History of the Bulwark B2, 6)
And that was no isolated incident. All across the north the manpower pool had dried up. We outfought the NVA/NVC for better than a decade so much so that THEY were begging for the reprieve of peace talks in order to catch some breathing space. They lost 1.1 million troops according to their own government, albeit only belatedly did they admit this in 1995...and to a French newspaper no less.
As technology increases and life becomes very easy (compared to when people actually had to do manual labor to say... eat), this reflects the general progressive weakness of our society. Our 'kids' today don't often have what it takes to do the particularly nasty things that previous generations coped better with... because they were stronger or they didn't survive -- there was no welfare to fall back on when real men went to war. That and we now have a syndrome name and a pill for everything except converting oxygen to carbon dioxide, so the medical types just love to throw labels at people like they were breath mints.
Suck it up, people. If you don't want your weak men and women troops offing themselves then don't send them on b*ll@!$%# "wars" to kill people that really don't matter in places that no one has ever heard of for a prize that doesn't exist. With all of the video games that people play these days, can't that just be done remotely? Problem solved.
So you would support eliminating Social Security and Medicare. Why should the young be forced to support OLD PEOPLE programs that are insolvent and will not be around for them.
Go suck it up yourself OLD PERSON
I'm for abolishing social security and medicare, too. And shove a lolly up your hole while you're at it, junior.
You are a @!$%#ing idiot AgentSTS. Audie Murphy the most decorated soldier in American history suffered from PTSD. Was he also weak?
PTSD didn't exist when he ran his plane in to the ground in 1971, tough guy. That only came around when some snot nose liberal douche thought the world needed another acronym for being a p*ssy. You get medals for killing others, so maybe you need to find a better hero, especially one better at winning against gravity.
What the hell do you think shell shock was in WW1 you jackass? PTSD has been around for a hell of a long time just with different names for it.
My father came home after over 3 years in Africa and Europe in 1945. He suffered the rest of his life from those memories. Never talked about those times except maybe my mother. I dont think the man ever forgave himself for all the killing he had to do and never forgot best friends he left there.
AgentSTS, in addition to being an utter moron, has apparently never heard of "shell shock." Give us some more wisdom from your air conditioned living room, O, Wise One!
Agent,
My father is 92, served in WWII and Korea, he has been sad, forelorn from my earliest recollections. My Dad told me that he saw and did things that no human being should see or have to do. After that comment, he never spoke of his service again. There times when he would withdraw from family and social life, there were times when he would cry and pace. But my in Dad's era shell-shock/battle fatigue was never really recognized or really treated. My Husband, Viet Nam vet, he refused to seek help or admit that he had a problem, his symptoms were and are classic--he has finally admitted he couldn't cope anymore without help. He is better, our family is better, our children are relieved that their Dad is healing. To tell our Vets to suck it up is beyond the pale. Your comments were callus, mean spirited, insensitive, hurtful. Agent your are an ass! My Dad and Husband ae Heroes as well as all that have follwed them So shut up and go away.
skyparrot- Sounds like it's been rough. Please thank your father and husband for their service. They Are heroes! Sounds like you deserve a medal too girl, if just for keeping/holding the family together! Our hurting Vets should have the best treatment available.
Don't let the cowardly clowns on the vine ruin your day. :)
ellen
LOL So you are saying they are "weaker" because they have a better moral compass? Your logic is so circular it's making me dizzy. You don't have a clue as to what your talking about "Agent."
The truth is, our troops are heroes - both past and present. And as far as a abnormal pattern of behavior, I would be more inclined to have a look at their environment, including anything they might be exposed to, before I'd assume that these brave people are flawed in any way!
These soldiers have seen a lot of bulls**t and its no wonder that they need help digesting what they have been through. Unfortunately no one gave a crap about the Vietnam Vets and/or measured their mental problems upon return. Nothing like living through hell (drafted - no choice) and having your country spit at you upon return (literally.)
How many Vietnam Veterans has the INS deported back to Mexico?
Why would the INS deport US citizens JEM?
Suds Have to agree. Ive met a lot of Viet Vets in AA and NA. Their problems started for the most part while they were there. Never understood how people could blame soldiers for following orders, especially soldiers that were drafted. Sad commentary on those times.
Brokeinarrow
JEM must have been referring to the PORTO RIC-ANS that fought along side us. Some were enlisted and some drafted . All served proudly and bravely.
Brokin,
One does not have to be an American Citizen to serve.
Google "Banished Veterans". The US has deported veterans from various wars to lots of
countries.
In fact the wife of a fallen Marine was recently deported to Japan.
She is a citizen according the rules of the USMC so she is receiving death benefits, but she
is not a citizen according to the rules of the INS, so she cannot live in the country that her
husband died for. Something to do with differences in the legal definition of "marriage"
Google it
JEM - Googled it.... quite disturbing actually to see this type of thing is still happening. That's definitely something that needs to be fixed and fixed now. Oh, but congress is busy trying to pass legislation on Olympic uniforms >.<
I don't know if the disorders increased, but I'll bet more were reported. Older soliders just "dealt" with it. The amount of homeless that are vets is terrible. Escaping PTSD in alcohol and other drugs. And these guys are going to come home to no jobs.
"older soldiers just 'dealt' with it."
Yes, often by suicide or drinking themselves to death. People pretend that PTSD after war is a "new" thing. It's not. It just has a new name.
I recently saw a documentary about PTSD it had soldiers from WWII discussing how they themselves think that the soldiers now have a higher instances of PTSD because of the limited amount of demobilization and debriefing. In WWII the soldiers came home on ships which gave them at least 2wks to demob. Now the men and women come home almost immediately from deployment.
My friend and I were actually just discussing that very thing the other week. How the troops in WWII came home on ships which took a lot longer, and all they had to do while on board was sit and talk about the crap they went through with a bunch of their friends that had been through the same stuff... basically they gave themselves group therapy on the way home.
Having a son that served two tours in Iraq I find some of the comments about faking their symptoms to obtain disability appalling. Until you walk a mile in their shoes and deal with watching kids being blown up and not knowing who to trust in a combat situation, keep those kind of comments to yourself. It's also appalling to see that some military personnel seek help for PTSD and are then lambasted by their units or family for not being tough. To top it off, Tri-Care used to pay for PTSD treatments, now all military staff have to pay for this on their own on a limited budget that in most cases is below the poverty level. I also have two uncles that served in WW II and Vietnam. Both also suffered PTSD and there was NO help available. In turn, it impacted their families and life outside of war until their death.
PJ, I also had two uncles serve in WW2. When his kids were in school they had an assignment to ask what their dad did in the War. One uncle was in the infantry at Normandy and flatly refused to answer any of their questions. The other uncle flew on a bomber in Europe and he won't stop talking about his time in the military. I figure uncle no.1 saw stuff a little too close. Wasn't it called "Shell Shock" then? Telling a combat vet to "man up" when you have never been there is disgusting and should have the cr@p beat out of you. Glad your son is back.
I happen to know firsthand that MANY of those "suffering form PTSD" are receiving Disability Benefits from our Government for having a "mental disorder", yet, ARE NOT, let me repeat, ARE NOT mandated to receive any kind of Medical Intervention or Mental Health Treatment.
My ex, who did 4 tours in the ARMY including Bosnia & Iraq, was coached by his own father as to just how much of a percentage of disability to claim. Ex. "If you say you have nightmares and get agitated, but don't have thoughts of suicide, you'll get a 30% rating and they'll pay you a monthly disability BUT YOU CAN STILL KEEP YOUR SECRET SECURITY CLEARANCE, YOUR FEDERAL JOB, AND HAVE A CONCEALED WEAPON!"
WHAT?!!
I know there are many soldiers suffereing the after effects of these wars.... But if they are truly suffering, SUPPLY THEM WITH HELP, jobs, counseling, therapy, etc., NOT Non-Taxable CASH MONEY...
being treated to PTSD is considered a precondition for those looking for private medical insurance. 30% disability allows a veteran to use tricare.
I think they all, hurt by anyway deserves to be paid and took care of. Even really little things can beat a person in the brain. This great grandmother is for all service personnel.
The bottom line is our leaders have to consider all positive and negative possibilities before entering a war. With no draft and the length of these two wars some soldiers have had to go back several times. The burdon has proven unfair to the volunteers and maybe the policy should change when we go to war to automatically start a draft again so the burdon is not put on just a few people.
They're not volunteers. They're paid professionals. They chose that career knowing the risks.
You're kidding, right?
I'd much rather have volunteers to my left and right than a draftee who didn't want to be there and probably didn't pay attention in boot camp.
And Joe, yeah while we joined knowing the risks, a lot of us also joined not knowing our esteemed leaders would keep us at war for more than a decade.
Help Vets, legalize pot!
This is indeed a crucial issue. Medical Marijuana is the best treatment for many people with PTSD.
Lets give our Veterans some freedom for the sacrifices they made.
Legalize Pot!
pj i kinda see what you are talking about. i was in iraq and afghanistan (and a few other places) for nearly 6 years out of the 8 i was in. 4 times on return we went to the hospital and talked to psychiatrists i guess. they asked pretty dumb questions and didnt do anything when saying, i wasnt happy killing people. they just lined us up, asked questions then let us leave. i guess it was mandatory to do this on their part. they (as in the govt and employees) dont care about what you do or what happens ( my experiences of course, maybe others had it nicer. )
Your story does not surprise me, Klein. Thank you so much for your service, sir.
the endless senseless wars and caring for the injured of those wars is what's really bankrupting our healthcare system. John Cole suggests a draft, are you crazy that we should even consider that. You wanna see the sh.t hit the fan if they even tried to enforce a draft now. People are a lot wiser now than they were 40 years ago with Vietnam. They see how our nation's meddling around the globe has caused so much blowback that it's wonder they haven't come after us with guns blazing. The answer is end the wars now, bring the troops home and start spending all the wasted money on fixing our own nation. Jesus, a draft...!!!
they will never end all wars...too much money for it for the rich people. as long as them or their kids dont have to go, its ok!
Funny how you never hear of PTSD for veterans from WW2 who served in the Pacific Theater. Thousands of deaths for small patches of land where many of our troops went for days without clean food or water, fighting hand to hand in some of the bloodiest combat we have ever seen as a nation, and now these pampered pricks who don't get to use their cell phones or log into facebook for a couple days get pissy and want to claim they have a mental disorder as a result.
They need to bring back the old US Military that kicked ass and took names and made sure when a US soldier left the ranks they left a hardened combat veteran who was proud to have served their country, not serve it for a college handout and a monthly check for a fake mental condition.
The "old US Military" also segregated the blood of Negro and white soliders so one would not get "the wrong kind". I'm assuming you have not been in the military. What's wrong with getting a college education while serving your country? You come out smarter and can get a better job that just a high school diploma or a GED. You've seen too many John Wayne movies.
It was called Shell Shock or Battle Fatigue in WW2. It wasn't named PTSD until the 70's. If you look at the data, after a month of uninterrupted combat (being at the front line ALL of the time, like our soldiers are now because there technically is NO front line) more than 95% of WW2 veterans displayed some degree of psychological trauma.
If you don't think PTSD is real, then by all means YOU go fight. And when you come back with psychological symptoms, we'll just hang you out to dry.
PTSD is painfully real in WWII vets. They are filing in by the thousands into VA clinics now in the twilight of their years.
I'm sure the Republicans will cut the VA when they get a chance. It's cool though, the system was already overloaded by Vietnam Vets before 2001, now we have the young guys in there with their fathers and now grandpa can go too.
Thanks uhmerikah for sending generation after generation to war for naught.
In all fairness, I'd slap the F out of Matthew Williams. Like you have any idea what it means to be in the military. WWII vets came back with zero problems... sure bud. Maybe might wanna volunteer at a Veterans meeting and here some stories. Not hardened old vets when they've been fighting nightmares for 70 years. You make me puke.
"Funny how you never hear of PTSD for veterans from WW2"
Bullshlt. They called it "shell shock" and you're an idiot. Get off your backside and open a history book.
Hey, Dopey. You, Mathew Williams. I'm sure in other areas of your life, you're a pleasant guy, but your comments do not reveal that here.
Use Google and search for LET THERE BE LIGHT (1946) and you'll find you can view John Huston's war documentary, for free, online. About 20% of the returning WW II vets had what was then called shell shock or combat fatigue.
This film was censored by the US Army for many years, and has only recently become available to the general public.
WW II was a time before you grew up, a time before Phil and Oprah, before televions and call in talk radio. Loose Lips Sink Ships was the motto, and the only topic WW II vets talked about was sports and other safe topics. You are a real fool if you think that WW II veterans did not suffer PTSD, or get compensation for it.
I say, put you in a sand bag, drop you off in Afghanistan, and put your butt to work, saving the lives of combat troops...LOL When we hear you scream, we'll know you took one for the team.
Bring back the draft!
You must be too old, too fat, or too stupid to get drafted. Otherwise you wonld'nt want the draft.
Why? Draft is only necessary when the country is clear and present danger and the professional army can't handle the heat.
Neither have true since WWII. Today's US army is used almost exclusively for illegal local conflicts that weaken the security of this country, not strengthen it.
I think it would be good for each citizen of the United States to spend at least two years serving their country. They graduate HS then off to service. It might give some a job skill they would otherwise not have. Others could stay in if that is what they want. But it would give everyone a taste of the sacrifice their fore fathers gave and maybe make them more appreciative of their countries.
I really thought they were going to bring it back with Iraq and Afghanistan. But it ain't over till it's over.
Drafted solders tend to be inferior to volunteers. A draft would likely weaken our military.
The point of the draft here is not to provide bodies for our military but to take young people
out of the workforce.
This could devolve into a way to force young people out of high school to spend two years doing
the work that was recently done by illegal aliens. Allowing institutions of slavery might be a very
dangerous thing.
I'm really wonder if its truly more cases or due to additional education more are seeking help and counseling. With every war going back to WWI, PTSD had different names from "shell shock to combat stress". Soldiers didn't seek help because of the stigma that was associated with it.
One of the biggest factors in these increases is the ability to recognize warning signs in soldiers and veterans. Another is all of the out-reach programs in place since the Walter Reed debacle a few years ago.
A third and maybe the most applicable reason is the resolve of those of we veterans of the Vietnam Era to never allow our children and grandchildren to face the ridicule and hatred that we were confronted with on returning home after doing our duty. Neither will we allow Our Children to want for medical or mental care after what they've been through. NEVER AGAIN THE SHAME, THE BLAME nor THE UNANSWERED CLAIM.
jonofjon...thank you--for your own service, & your dedication to the future, so that my son (once to Iraq & now in Afghanistan) will have better services. I am so sorry we let you Viet Nam vets down.
Dear Dora Lea
I've written to Jonjojon, and I think he volunteers with the PTSD group located near White River Jucntion VA hospital in Vermont.
I think that had there been no draft in Vietnam, there might not have been the antiwar sentiments that we had back then. A lot of that anger came out of guilt of not serving, or not wishing to be drafted.
But that's like saying if there had been no slavery, then perhaps there would not have been a civil war. Perhaps it is impossible to disassociate historical circumstances from the outcomes or causes of war.
It's quite obvious fromt the hundreds of wars around the globe in the 20th century, that people love a good war. It's like sex. It's hard to live a life without indulging. I guess that for the people not in the war, it is like watching pornography, watching someone else do something you do not wish to do yourself?
Anyway, it is much healthier for the returning veterans to treat them as valued members of society, people who served and did what the rest of us refused to do, as opposed to how us Vietnam Veterans were treated by our peer group and many of the older WW II veterans who felt we had let them down.
Roger Stavitz in Danforth, Maine.
Debriefing, debriefing, a (thorough) debriefing! It has always been S.O.P. in U.S. Special Forces following any significant action (with rare exceptions). These troops are trying to fight a counter insurgency (unconventional warfare) in spite of the fact that they are not SF. It is all that more important to debrief them after every engagement, besides which there is SO MUCH to learn from these debriefings. Debriefing (including followup for any problems uncovered) needs to become S.O.P. for Special Operations, too. Just for whatever it is worth. - RC
(We really need to secure the day when U.S. Special Forces serve as military advisers to OUR OWN U.S. troops in theaters of unconventional warfare.) - RC
If SFG does it, you had BETTER GD do it. Get my drift? (Top "Go Team". 6th Group (Psyops) & 5th Group, Ft. Bragg, N.C., ETS from active duty 1972.) - RC
(Don't cross swords with me, I have 3 lightning strikes against you (and then some)). - RC
Isn't Republicanism and TeaBillism Mental Diseases?
You BetCha.....Fer Sure.
The soldiers are realizing the evil ways of the New World Order and that they are just a pawn to the NWO. It is quite scary and depressing at the same time. No wonder we have lost MORE SOLIDERS TO SUICIDE THAN TO COMBAT during this "War on Terror". When are you sheep going to realize that the REAL TERRORISTS are the elite bankers taking away our freedoms? What is more dangerous, some Muslim in a Cave 4,000 miles away, OR a depressed military that has the right to police the streets and indefinitly detain and kill citizens? Think about it, SHEEP!
I visited the local veterns affairs office and asked the represenatitive in charge if the reports of current veteran suicide rates was true. A veteran commits suicide on average every 80 minute of each and every day of the week and many are directly attributeable to post traumatic stress sydrome. Last year 6,500 veterans committed suicideand thatis more than all the casualties from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan combined since they were started. The veterans affairs representative had to admit that these reports were in fact true. Our limited number of All Volunteer Army soldiers are being misused and abused. A relatively small number of soldiers are being sent back to combat time and time again. They suffer multiple tours of duty sometimes two, three, four, even five tours. These horrific experiences can destroy a mans mind and he cannot function normally anymore. Many resort to drinking, and drugs. Many become abusive to family and friends. Rather than continue to fight the symtoms they take their own lives. Although veterans health care is available it is not adequate to the task given the total numbers in need of assistence-500,000 soldiers suffer from PTSD. The solution is to spread the burden across a much larger military force. A two year military service rrequirement should be mandAtory for all young men of eligible age. Its a small price to pay for all the years of freedom we enjoy in this great nation. Will it ever happen? No. Congress is to divided as it is and the Pentagon will never implement it as much as they need to. In fact all the Generals should be required to serve on the front lines. They need a taste of what their men are suffering but they only witness from the sidelines!
With all respect, Joe, I think what you are describing is VIETNAM REDUX. That's what happened in Vietnam, and it didn't seem to have a positive outcome there, either?
And by the way, I was one of the penises who was drafted while those with a vagina got a free ride, and then complained about EQUAL RIGHTS and HAVING IT ALL.
The reason I did two tours was due to my own niavete, but not because I was forced to do multiple tours, like today's professional soldiers.
Also, we got draftee wages, and as you remember, NOT ALL WERE DRAFTED. In 1968, 2/3 of my high school graduating class of 750 kids went off to college, and many were protesting the war.
BASICALLY, YOUR IDEA IS WELL MEANING, but I think it has been tried before.
It would certainly help if the VA would allow for counselors to do their jobs. If a soldier was wounded by shrapnel then without question he'd be treated. But when it comes to his mental health it's treated in a flip manner though his issues may cause just as much pain. Ridiculous.
well when you cut the budget without thinking, caring more about numbers than people, this is what happens. See, people who work in VAs are considered (uh oh) Public workers.
So you've fleeced us for the funding we need to provide good service, and threaten our jobs and cut our pay (not to mention, demonize us) so who would choose to serve in the VA?
If Teapublicans looked beyond their checkbooks, and Fox for one second they would see the consequences of their rhetoric. Fat Chance.
How can they tell? You have to be brain damaged to go into the army these days in the first place... so how can they separate acquired from pre-existing condition?
Maybe we're all brain damaged, Joe.
I use humor, but look at the wealthy politicians like Bush, Kerry (Senators John and Bob, not related), Obama, LBJ and Richard Millhouse Nixon (and his right hand man, V.P. Spiro Agnew, who took several thousand bucks for a bribe while governor of Maryland, causing him to resign his office in shame...LOL).
So, Joe? WHO AMONG US IS NOT BRAIN DAMAGED? LOL
As the old joke goes, THE FUNGUS IS AMUNGUS
And folks still think there is no need to study the social sciences in college. There is a big need because, everytime some guy goes off and does something stupid, he is recommened for phsyc eval.
Just by seeing a person walking, sitting or even running, one can not know what that person has nor been through. being shot at, hit or even imagine, serve them all the aid. They were all there to do a job. Lord know's their pay wasn't anything to speak of. This great grandma can miss a couple dollar's from my S S.
First of all it's "knows" not "know's".
Second, I'm surprised that, if you're really a grandma, all those years of life experience didn't teach that you can tell a LOT by the way person walks, sits, or runs. My grandma certainly could.
Typically age and wisdom come together, but in your case maybe age came alone?! Think about that.
Roadlesstravelled, If you are afraid that your military friend is trying to end it, please call the veterans crisis line 1-800-273-8255. You can be a family member or friend that is concerned about them. They do help. It totally confidential too.
THANK YOU!!!!!!
Plenty of comments here painting veterans as leeches and fakers. Wow, we've seen this before in American history.
Your average line infantryman in George Washington's Army was shafted after the war too. Civil War? Please talk about zero compensation. WWI? Yeah MacArthur was a great American in WWII and Korea... what about that whole Bonus Army incident. WWII? Yep, sent them all home and with a bit of ribbon on them and that's it. Korea? What? Vietnam? Pretty clear they were crapped on.
I have a great idea America. Until you idiots stop sending your boys off to fight your little wars, then you have to foot whatever bill you sign up to pay to these vets after the war.
-Afghanistan Veteran and pissed off American
"Until you idiots stop sending your boys off to fight your little wars, then you have to foot whatever bill you sign up to pay to these vets after the war."
You got that right.
Sounds like you have a real PTSD and you're not faking it!
This is what happens when you fight illegal useless "wars". You can't really even call it a war since there is no military objective to achieve. It is not the wars that people support, so there is no sympathy for the soldiers that fight there. It sucks, but that is the way it is.
Most service men and women who come back from combat have mental health issues.This is the first conflict that this issue has been addressed.The servicemen of World War II and Viet Nam had to suck it up and get on with their lives albeit sometimes becoming alcoholic,drug addicts and homeless.The vets now are enlisting unlike the previous conflicts that our country has engaged in.Our government cut spending on mental health during Reagan's reign therefore there isn't enough mentalhealth hospitals,clinics etc. for these Vets.Anyone who has had to deal with a mentally ill family member knows what these Vets are going through.It is a darned shame.
VA will be cut again. It always is after the last war fades into memory.
Yup. The righties are blind sided by greed, forgetting the consequences of your proposed cuts.
The blood of soldiers is on the hands of most republicans, who killed the Not One Homeless Vet program. Have you looked at how your teabaggers vote, and what it means? Or just sponging the Faux News?