A drive-through worker at a San Antonio Wendy's restaurant is heading to prison after selling customers more than just fries.
Juan Antonio Rosa, 36, was sentenced Wednesday to almost 22 years in prison for distributing child pornography to customers with their food, the San Antonio Express-News reported. He pleaded guilty to the charges back in March.
Rosa allegedly found his porn customers online, and buyers then said "Scooby Doo" as a code word to buy memory cards with their food, at the fast-food chain's drive-through window. Officials said the SD memory cards were loaded up with two to five pornographic videos that were sold for $50 each, the Express-News reported.
The exact Wendy's Co. restaurant location has not been released, and restaurant operators told authorities they didn't know about these dealings.
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This isn't the first time Rosa was in trouble for this sort of crime. He started working at Wendy's after his 2010 release from prison after serving time for a state child porn conviction. In 2011, he was arrested during a federal raid that turned up child porn on his personal computers.
Before the judge announced the sentence, Rosa apologized to his family, including his two young daughters, according to the San Antonio Express-News.
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What a dirtbag. Should have gotten life in my opinion. Anyone who deals with child pornography should be shot or hung.
hanged
I do believe either one works. Hung is a word to you know. Though it seems you kind of missed my point.
So is "too." You should look it up. It can be your word of the day.
I didn't think it was that important but in the eyes of the spelling police I guess it's everything.
Grammar and spelling nazis are on patrol. Watch out!
Burn him. Hangin's too good for him.
Any kind of drawn out torture would be appropriate. Child molesters are the worst kind of people. Anyone watching child porn is but one step away from commiting the actual deed if they don't partake in it already!
Hopefully the guys who rape him will yell 'scooby doo" as they do it!
Make it a public hanging and make sure its a strong oak tree.
Life in jail or death. No torture or such nonsense. We are suposed to be better than the criminals.
Must be a Dave thing. Nothing of value to add, just want to feel powerful editing online blog posts for free.
Oh, and to actually address the article- Child molesters should never be free to continuously commit these crimes. I think this is a good case of 3 strikes, at least.
I just hope they get the sob's that bought these porn sd cards from this pos. The all should be doing time, better yet, publicly hanged.
I have no mercy for scum like these people. Toss in the effen Pope too.
These guys always reoffend why it isn't a life without parole is beyond me.
Devilsson, good point. The recidivism rate for child molesters is very high from what I've heard.
How sick and obsessed do u have to be to sell these crimes against humanity at your place of employment where people get and eat there food.... Throw them in prison for life and let them learn how it feels to be exploited and powerless to stop it.
So...do you want frys with that?
Let a dozen red heads with baseball bats take care of him.
If that were the case we would probably lose at least 20% of the population
hmmmm.....what's even more interesting is that there seems to be lots of customers. Which are just pedophiles who don't have the balls to commit the crimes against children yet.
As much as I think this POS and all like him should be shot, (my more civilized side says) I suppose just having the pictures would not be worthy of death penalty. However, he is a repeat offender (surprise, surprise) so very least for him, life in prison now (though 3 hots and cot pisses me off thinking about it). First time should've been 10-20 or more depending on how much he had, with no parole. Now for those distributing child porn, certainly more prison for the first time. Second time life or death penalty. Either case you get to spend time with the general population, and no protective custody. For those making it, depending on the degree of what you did and have, long prison to life sentence or death penalty; all would be options and always lean to the heavy handed side, no being lenient. As for those who actually rape or molest a child, you get a lead shot, end of story. The ones looking at it are bad enough but for those that act on that impulse you just bought your last peep show ticket and the hole is looking down a rifle barrel.
It is time
I've said it a million times. Child rapists and child pornographers should be lumped in with murderers. Let's start executing these pieces of sh!t. There is no rehabilitation for them!
Good thing you didn't use "hung or hanged!"
"Rake it rike a man, rake it rike a man."--- That is what he will here from behind him in prison..
I think Alcatraz should be reopened and all convicted pornographers and pedophiles sent there for life. No computers, no TVs, no game rooms.....nada. Once the prison is full the next batches could be put on a desert island somewhere in the Pacific and left there to fend for themselves. I can just hear all those civil rights groups denouncing the cruelty of it. So we put them with the convicts, too. They could entertain themselves.
i bet that wasn't mayo on the burgers at that wendy's either !
I'd hang him and not by the neck. Then throw him in the general prison population.
My God!!! A family man with two daughters? So he would prostitute someone else's kids while his daughters were well kept at home! Who raised this monster? And on top of that with no brains. Selling the cards from a Wendy's drive in window? lol
Castrate him then throw him in prison with the generl population of murderers, rapist and deviants. Hope he gets raped everyday while they scream "Scooby Doo and Crappy Poo."
I saw they MAKE him reveal the names of the higher ups- because you KNOW he didn't work alone. And of any known customers. Then they throw them all in a high security prison and let the prison code be enforced.
This is an epidemic in our society and people don't want to face it. Ultimately, most look the other way since we want to "live and let live" and not offend others' rights. What about the rights of the children who are trafficked and violated in this horrible way? They have their innocence stripped from them to produce this vile material. I feel horrified for the government authorities who actually have to view this atrocity in prosecuting the criminals. This sickness is growing bigger and bigger with easier access to everything, thanks to the proliferation of the internet and porn in general. We cannot talk about morals anymore, because we are then labeled as "right wing conservatives" and closed-minded. Children are the ones who will suffer at the expense of political posturing and protecting the "freedoms" of others. Child pornography will become commonplace one day, as if it isn't already, and I guess we will ultimately be forced to "accept" it since the numbers of perpetrators who use and distribute this material is growing bigger by the day. They demand the right to use the material since they are not actually hurting anyone by watching it. We will be overtaken by this unless something is done to stop it. And, for the record -- most pornography addicts will admit that they need to "up the ante" as their addiction progresses. The same old stuff a.k.a. so-called vanilla sex, doesn't cut it anymore, so the material gets weirder and weirder -- including children. Consider this as a factor adding to the endless number of "pedophiles" in our world today. This is a force of evil, no other way to describe it.
AreYouBuyingThis?
So...do you want frys with that?
Damn, you stole my line.
I honestly do not understand what some guy gets out of this crap. I mean, honestly, someone would go to this extent- selling this garbage at a Wendy's drive-thru? This is one screwed up world we live in.
He is probably one of the people Eric Holder holds dear to his heart...............
I wonder if the dirt bag will get a free ride for this along with citizenship?
This isn't sport fishing... catch and release... when you catch someone who commits such a crime as this or worse, why do we release them back into society so they can repeat the crime or do even worse?
TheKhanKubla - The reason this happens? Every state has a legislature that receives sentencing guideline recommendations. The Legislature passes legislation it believes will handle the situation, and the governor signs the legislation into law. Those are the folks who are directly responsible for weak sentencing laws when it comes to repeat offenders.
The bottom line: There ought to be a better way to sentence porn makers and dealers, to make the sentence more meaningful. This quote comes to mind: "Don't do the crime if you cant do the time."
Jeffrey Epstein did far worse than this guy and yet did only 13 months of night time arrest. During the day he went home to do what ever he wanted. But then Epstein was a friend of people in high places.
Google Jeffrey Epstein and see what I mean. A total perv who should of gotten life in prison.
just so gross some people have the nerve to do something like this, he should be hung or sent to prison for life and let him be the child that had this done to them, but he might enjoy himself
i guess "would you like pedophilia with that?" would sound a bit odd, but forget about hangings and shootings, let the punishment fit the crime: i say sick twisted f***s at a fast food restaurant = twisted death sentence by fast food!! this guy and all of his "customers" should be put in prison and forced to eat Wendy's 24/7 until they die! after all, Wendy's founder Dave Thomas did die from (yet another) heart attack just a couple of weeks after his second triple bypass from eating the stuff all the time! Scooby Doo? Make 'em eat as much as Shaggy does!! (plus it won't be nearly as quick as a shooting or hanging would be)
Would you like fries with that? Extra napkins?
For those who made the choice of life in jail. No our jails/prisons are already overpopulated and I'm not paying my taxes so idiots with Life in prison can get an education they'll never use.
Ha, nice retort for the lazy and dumb. God forbid you learn to use proper spelling and grammar. This site even let's you know when you've made a mistake. Ugh!
I cudnt unnerstand a wurd you sed ... must be from some farn country.
I say we hang em rope is cheap.
This lowlife scum must have emailed his customers with the password and whenever he had new videos. I hope the police and any other department check this out and arrest all of the buyers and potential buyers.
The article did not say much of anything about the purchasers. This scum should be able to remember them. My prayers go out to the kids and families involved and I hope this was not an arranged situation where the parents were paid. I do not understand how people can do things like this and doubt there is a cure unless someone comes out with a way to totally clear someone's memory and retrain them on what is right and what is wrong. Unless the bleeding heart liberals decide this is only a misdemeanor and frees people like this in the future. I could almost see this happening considering the state of the union at this time with everyone coming out of the closet and doing what they want. In my opinion.
We need a way to watch our children closer and make sure this kind of thing never happens again. There should be an automatic public death penalty on a siuation like this. The purchasers should be castrated immediately and have a mandatory prison sentence with the general populatioin. In my opinion.
22 years is not long enough for such a worthless parasite....
22 should have been life, with a previous conviction. Hope wendy's blacklists this guy.
This thread is about the obesity problem in America right? Seriously at least twice I've read something like, "he was distributing this disgusting crap where we eat!"
My version, "he was distributing the companies disgusting crap, and had the nerve to add a disgusting prize to the bottom of the bag!"
Code word "Scooby-doo" gets you an SD disk with Daphne and Velma in your Happy Meal.
Go back to your tofu and leave us eaters alone S-U.. What I put down my gob shouldn't be any b'ness of yours veggie head. The only reason it's considered junk food is because couch potatoes eat tons of it then stay flopped on their collective butts in front of the boob tube watching some doughnut mouth fire people instead of working it off through exercise.. I eat a good double double now and again because I think it tastes good instead of sacrificing good cuisine for Styrofoam power bars and stir fried fish heads. My difference is I work the cals off.
Put all the grammar nazis from this board in jail with him. Please.
Glad I did not eat there. Hold the "Mayo", no special sauce either.
I am sure some will say "he is sick and needs help" but if you look at the facts:
-He was released in 2010 from jail which he resided because of previous child porn charges.
-He was making a profit off of the porn, and had a code word which means he was organized
So here is what I am saying:
- $ .50 a 9mm bullet
- less than 5 seconds of time
-Solution posted! Why fill a cell and pay to feed and house this sicko? Quick and simple!
It's a damned shame that he had 2 little girls of his own- I wont ever understand that crap. He must be catholic and thinks that this is normal. he was probably abused by some priest at summer camp-
That is a common perception but I think the actual statistics on recidivism are just the opposite. I think sex crimes and other violent crimes have low recidivism rates and it is robberies, larcenies, etc. that have the high recidivism rates. Of course since it appears that many sex crimes go unreported, it is possible that a perp could be abusing victims again but never be caught.
Seewhat I mean 188, stereptype much? Are you a scout leader?
It is ''a folk belief,'' said Frank Zimring, a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley. ''The recidivism rates of child molesters are lower than in other crimes,'' he said. ''They are in the teens or twenties, depending on how long you follow up.''
What in the world is someone passing child pornography at wendys by using the password scooby doo, I dont believe there is a hole deep enough for this offender, and he also a repeat offender, the hole gets deeper.....sick sick sick.....
Rbj, talk about dumb. If you really believe using the word hung is wrong, I think you need to repeat the 2nd grade. Your another one of those morons who can't see the message for what it is. I'm sure your perfectness has never made a mistake right? Go troll elsewhere please.
hanged and hung have been used interchangeably as the past participle of hang. Most contemporary usage guides insist that hanged, not hung, should be used when referring to executions: convicted killers are hanged; posters are hung.
Although all the anger being expressed here is perfectly legitimate, I think it's really sad that this POS has two young daughters who will have to somehow come to terms with this.
ColleenCCA, I don't think the problem is as widespread as you suggest. The modern media immediacy of information may make it seem more prevalent than in the past. Look at the outrage posted here. Although, in sheer numbers, there may be more of this, in percentage of the population it may be the same or less. That being said, I am NOT suggesting there be ANY tolerance for child molestation and/or pornography. If he didn't have children, I'd be all for, "Just shoot him and be done with it." But, because of the daughters, I am not so clear on what to do.
Pity the children, including his own. What a horrible life they have been handed.
Being that viewers are predominantly male, I am making the following comment:
What is wrong with you guys??? What is the facination with children??? I really just don't understand.
Juan Antonio Rosa, ehh? Sounds like the ICE agents could simply deport him back to Mexico. Yeah, we really need more illegals in this country.........
Most studies of convicted predators say female pedophiles aren’t as common as males. Then again, most professionals haven’t really focused on researching female predators until recently.
Back in 1984, a study done by Finkelhor & Russell estimated that about 5% of female children and 20% of male children exposed to sexual predation were abused by women. More recent research among victims suggests that the rate of female predation is alarmingly higher than we thought back then.
Officials typically break female offenders down into one of three different categories:
Each category is surprisingly different in their motives and feelings toward their victims.
rfaber9 as an fyi, hanged is always used in connection with people, hung is for everything else. Even though it sounds weird, Jimmy hanged himself is grammatically correct. Jimmy hung himself is not. Im far from a grammar nazi, i just thought people may like to know this. It is a very unique grammar rule.
On the story, first, the pitchforks always seem to come out for stories like these.
And I feel sorry for the guy who is a little "special" and said scooby doo, without knowing about the whole thing. Thats one prize in your happy meal most people wouldnt want to see.
Who cares about the grammar! He didn't post here so you people with no self esteem can make yourselves feel better by having the chance to correct someone. The point is the sicko should be dead....
Not that this is very important or anything but several people said child molesters he is not being charged with child molestation he is being charged with child pornography. Both are sickening but there is a small difference in legal definition.
You rang?
I hope they get the ones making the videos. Anything for a buck, sorry bastages.
I hope they give 22 years to the kids who stepped on the lettuce at Burger King.
The sad fact is if you're using ANY porn you're contributing to child porn-- they just aren't separate, no matter how you argue it! Many child porn users went to child porn AFTER becoming desensitized to regular good ole porn-- it's all a sickness.
Many sex addictions experts would agree with you.
I agree, I have never liked porn...not because I am prudish. It just seems to me some lonely desperate pedophile is watching it and a poor child is present or handy. Maybe it even makes them pedophiles, picking on the small and weak because they can. Poor kids.
Ah ignorance, I love it. You must be a fun one to hang around.
yeeaaahh... NO! Wrong! You have absolutely NO evidence to support your assertion, because it doesn't exist. Just because I watch porn doesn't mean I will start watching child porn. You're stereotyping. And you're wrong. Sorry. Have a nice day.
Yup, defend your porn...those the deepest into the sickness defend it like they'll die without it. I'm not stereotyping...do some research.
Another sad fact- if you've seen enough adult porn you HAVE seen a child.... she may look old enough, doesn't mean she is ( or he, for that matter).
Jiminy, if your going to say something like that, back it up with some references. I don't believe that everyone who watches porno would be into child sex.
Wow, that's a stretch. If you don't like porn, don't watch it. Some people like watching consenting adults hump each other.
Personally, I have never been attracted to porn of any kind, but if people want to watch adult porn, so be it. Child porn, however is sick. Here's a guy who already has a record and he's hired by a fast food place that is bound to employ its share of young people. I don't think a sexual drive geared towards kids is curable, and these people should be kept away from kids of any age, physically mature or not. Put them to work picking up or sorting trash (the local dump would be perfect), keep a tracker on them, make them stay away from schools and parks where kids play, and make sure they don't put their fantasies into action.
I don't think "anyone " would be into child sex either, but it's available to stable people and sickos. I do believe it adds to the fervor these people have for children. I don't have to see some study it is obvious porn is there to arouse you, children shouldn't have to pay for this!
Gotvnom, I agree with you. It seems I read way too often about sickos and child porn. There does seem to be a high demand for it. Where these people would find something like that is beyond me, though it could be that I've just never looked for it.
People that do not know what they are talking about making huge claims to push an agenda.
If you do not like porn, don't watch it. If you do like porn, watch it.
Porn will not turn you into a child molesting animal. Child molesting animals are just that, blaming something you dislike for them, takes away from what they are. Silly at best.
Sounds like christian reasoning actually.
Sorry jiminy, I don't buy that logic. Do you have any reputable facts to back it up? If so, let see em. If not have a nice day.
Bored, I agree. The people watching child porn ALREADY have a desire for the children. A normal person wouldn't watch child porn and see if it's interesting. If a persons watching it, they're already into children.
Adult porn contributes to child porn?.... Granted there is alot of hypocritical and backward thinking... like prostitution is illegal until you set yourselves in-front of a camera with the intent to sell it.
But to tell all those consenting adults in the adult movie industry that get paid to make porn and the people that buy it that they are contributing to child pornography is one hell of a stretch.... There is a big difference between exploitation of a child and adult consent.
That being said... any porn can ruin your sex life.... if you have one.
Oh, dear, ban sex - it all leads to child porn.
I've moved on to horses now...
@jiminyjiminy
hmmmm...........You know those who are phobic about sex are the ones with the largest closets. But then I'm just making a non-factual claim.
I watch action crime movies that have murders and killers, so I will probably go out and kill someone now. Sounds stupid doesn't it, but is following the same logic. Give me a break. Some of you people really need to get a clue or just learn to keep thoughts to yourself. To each his own but come on, really? Geez.
Who needs porn? All you have to do is look down during the act..
To each their own though.. We are ALL freaks of some sort.
Did someone hear an annoying cricket?
That's ridiculous, adult porn has nothing to do with child porn, and it's definitely not a gateway. Don't make comments if you're just gonna making stuff up, or guess.
Jimmy, you made the assertion, you look it up and report back. That's the way responsible debate goes. If you can't find a source, you have no credibility. Telling us to go find a source is no different.
I posted quotes from studies.
So let me get this straight, anyone who watches porn is going to become a pedophile? I'm sorry, but that's beyond ignorant. That's like saying everyone who smokes pot will become a crack-head. What was that? I can't hear you over that ax you're grinding. If you think watching porn is going to turn you into a pedophile, than by all means stay away...and go get help. Remember that movie Refer Madness? Yeah, that was based on "fact's" and "studies" as well. With that logic, if porn just disappeared, so would pedophiles! Let's just all agree that pedophiles are the bottom rung of society, and need to be eliminated.
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Child Porn is illegal. Adult Porn is not. Duh
These kinds of articles always brings out the crazy people.
Masturbation is a gateway sin!
You can joke all you want, but porn is not just a simple picture. Where are all the people crying IT IS THEIR RIGHT!!! ???? We have the "right" to be gay - right? We have the "right" to "marry" any one (or thing, animals are next). Why cant this employee (actually working and making a living as opposed to what other people do) sell this stuff??
See this? In America it isnt what we believe it is what others tell us to believe. We just follow. Please do NOT misunderstand - I am not in support of this sickness. Read my first sentence. But in America we all fall in line behind the loudest or richest person who is trying to sell us that being "different" is "ok". Is it?? If being different means you wear your shirt inside out, that may even be fashionable. But if being different means you can abuse kids (its genetics you know) or have sex with the same sex person as you (its genetics) or use all taxpayer funded services while not being a citizen (its genetics) then no - I do not support being "different". Please, start the third grade name calling (-aphobe or "hate speech" goofiness) and feel good about yourself.
Except?
You dont feel good about yourself. And you know it. You are trying to gain acceptance by joining a group that appears to know what it is talking aboout.
No.
They do not know.
They are lost, just as Pelosi is lost, just as FDR was lost, just as King Obama is lost. They are lost and have no idea what they actually believe. Ask them a direct question and you will get ANYTHING but a direct answer.
Rwing, I do believe it is all genetics, they are wired differently. I am sure you are a good christian, just making the judgements you are taught not to. I have a daughter that is gay and I seen a difference in her from an early age. In noway was she anything like her sisters.
If all porn causes pedophilia, then why aren't pedophiles satisfied with adult porn? Because pedophiles are attracted to children and adult-porn watchers are not. Two markets for two different audiences.
And rwing, your rant is seriously misplaced. I can barely understand what point you are trying to make. Try to separate your personal disgust with other people's behavior that is legal, but merely offensive to you. Try to understand that US citizens have the right to enjoy being different as long as it does not interfere with the rights of others (think illegal in this circumstance). Your comparison of apples and oranges fails completely to add to the discussion.
Pornography has a compulsive or addictive nature. Four stages of viewing pornography following initial exposure are:
* Addiction - The desire and need to keep coming back for pornographic images.
* Escalation - The need for more explicit, rougher, and more deviant images for the same sexual effect.
* Desensitization - Materiel once viewed as shocking or taboo is seen as acceptable or commonplace.
* Acting out - The tendency to perform the behaviors viewed, including exhibitionism, sadistic/masochistic sex, group sex, rape, or sex with minor children.
* Dr. Victor Cline, clinical psychologist at the University of Utah, said that pornography is the gateway drug to sexual addiction."
* In a study of 932 sex addicts, 90% of the men and 77% of the women indicated that pornography played a significant role in their addiction.
We're all God's children so it's all child porn. Ban all of it!
*Sips spiked punch*
Anyone who believes people would progress from porn to child porn must have pedophilia themselves and feel such temptation. There is no way that is true for people generally. Your theory would be like saying anyone that likes sex will get eventually want to try it with kids, or dogs, or gay, or whatever. Sex doesn't work like that -- you're either interested or you're not. Sorry but you are a pedophile if you even think others have such temptations. To most people it is just gross and will remain that way, no matter how much they are exposed to sex. If you think that isn't gross then you need help immediately.
“His foray began innocently enough-checking out nudist Web sites where he observed families frolicking in the buff. Then there were naked children alone. Child porn. ‘At first it was a real turnoff,’ he recalls. ‘But there was an aspect of curiosity as well.’ He kept clicking back, intrigued. What was it about those young girls that was so seductive? Why was he getting so excited? Within a month’s time, Charlie was seeking out child porn regularly…” Pamela Paul, Pornified
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“We spoke with a number of men who ended up in jail for having child pornography on their computers…some people who are caught and prosecuted for child pornography were accessing it out of curiosity or because other porn had become boring.” ~ Larry & Wendy Maltz, The Porn Trap: The Essential Guide to Overcoming Problems Caused by Pornography
other than being incredibly stupid, he is off the street getting three hots and a cot and hopefully a new boyfriend named bubba to entertain him for 22 years - he is a mistake of nature
what about his customers? aren't they just as sick as he is?
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Its just like dealing drugs you get higher sentence and higher priority for distribution.
Scooby Don't
Raggy? I'm actually into dog porn. Lipstick anyone?
Just kidding for the record...thought I may have to clarify that for some posters here.
Hopefully they check to see if he was a leagle citizen...oops forgot ur not alowed to do that anymore. Luv Eric Holder. Hold this u pos!
Of couse becaue everyone with a Hispanic last name is illegal.
I'm pretty sure he's legal, given he has priors and was not deported.
That's all you can come up with is if he's legal? Hopefully they check to see if he abused anyone around him, including his daughters.
Second person to bring Holder and politics into it, second winner who's distracting from the real issue (child pornography). You bring in someone else to the conversation, you diminish the responsibility of the actual criminal here. Go take your political discussion to the "discourse among mindless sheep" thread.
well he would have to show his green card or work visa in order to work at Wendy's, I guess they didn't check his criminal record though.
Bleedingheartoo please learn to use spell check. Your spelling shows how uneducated you really are, and why you would make such an uneducated statement.
Bleedinghearts typically don't worry about one's 'leagal' status. An uneducated troll?
u want fries with that?
Should say, do you want porn with that.
Should say do you want child porn with that.
Sick @!$%#!!!!
Hang him from his testicles and give him a rusty knife to get loose.
Why give him a knife? Let him chew himself free.
Porn is an addiction. I am SO glad that I can live without that garbage. Its too bad many people are so immersed in porn these days. Many people have been fired from their jobs, for looking at porn online when they were supposed to be working. Talk about stupid and desperate!!!! They deserve everything they get.
Addictive people will always find something to ruin their lives. It is not the substances fault, but the weak person.
Posting is an addiction too, are you glad you can't live without posting?
Alcohol is addictive to an alcoholic, but many people can enjoy their liquor, beer and wine with no negative consequences. Porn is no different. If anything (drugs, alcohol, porn, work, hand-washing, etc.) interferes with normal life activities in a negative way, then there is a problem - with the user, not the substance.
Porn is only an addiction if you let it become one bud
Child pornographers use ANY kind of porn--including the adult porn so many staunchly defend! They use ANY kind of porn to groom their prey. All porn is predatory in some way.
Your argument is a factless one. How could adult porn be predatory if all involved are willing adults? No, sounds like you just have a problem with porn in general. Everything you've said so far is not provable or it's based off of one persons research, whom by the way, could also be biased against porn themselves.
Maybe all the porn you've ever seen was crazy/fetish/abuse porn. Other than that, I don't see how ALL porn is 'predatory'.
What makes you think all those "adult" actors are consenting completely freely? They are of a socio economic "class" -- many of them-- they feel as though they have no choice, they need the money. Have you not seen the news headlines about people using porn in the library and then molesting children in the bathroom?? YES!! PORN can and does push some people to molest children. CHILDREN are the easiest prey! Why is it such a stretch to some to think they could be otherwise normal people until porn??? The evidence IS there-- even if you don't want to see it.
Jiminy-
What percentage of people who watch porn move on to children? Sure, I believe there are "some" people that do this. However, I believe that desire was already with in them before they became addicted to porn. OF COURSE people who watch child porn START with adult porn. Do you think they are going to jump straight into child porn?
There is porn out there that has consenting adults who look very young starring in them. They make them look like children on purpose. THAT'S the kind of porn that will lead to child porn.
Oh, and I don't care WHY they got into porn. That's their business. Bottom line, no matter how poor you are you DO have a choice- thus CONSENTING.
First of all, I highly doubt porn actors are being forced. Second of all,(again) porn does not make someone want to molest kids, they already want to. Watching adult porn will not turn a normal person into a child molester. The urge to do so is already there. I would imagine there are far more people who watch porn that do so without the urge to go after kids.
@jiminyjiminy
You watch way way way too much pron dude. Tone down on the porn watching, its eating at your brain.
Punisher- I don't watch porn, thanks though.
You don't watch porn and yet you can come to your conclusion? It's like a cop saying well you are guilty of the crime even though the cop never watched the tape of the crime. Just saying well you fit the description of the criminal and experts in the field can profile you to a T.
Having genitalia also leads to child porn watching and molestation.. cut yours off, to be certain you'll never molest a child.
you're clueless
Mewers, Genitals are not needed to molest someone. Pediphiles have been known to molest kids even after castration.
Jiminy - Again, sources or you're making it up. If you think your anonymous stance on the world-wide-web somehow magically afforded you credibility, you are wrong.
Jiminy, yes, pedophiles use porn to groom their victims. They also use gifts, such as cool video game systems, toys, iPods, etc. They also use alcohol to take advantage of them more easily. So, using your logic, we need to ban alcohol, video games, toys, and iPods.
Behavior performed by consenting adults, regardless of their life status, is still their choice. Granted, a lot of people in the sex industry may have been victims while younger, but once they become adults, it is their responsibility to change their lives. Banning porn will just drive it underground, and there will be no regulating it (health, income taxes, etc.)
If your logic prevails, then all people who make choices less-desirable than you choose (ex. adult porn actors) need protection from themselves and the State should step in and do the job. That is the LAST thing this liberal wants! And what about the consenting adult actors that were never victimized and that made their rational decision to make a lot of money and cash out later?
Your lack of approval does not merit the changing of laws and the abridging of the Constitution. Protect victims, not consenting adults.
Actually, I agree that the vast majority of porn actresses are "forced" to do it, but only in the same way that people are forced to be clean toilets for a living or any other crappy job. It is true (you can read up on interviews and biographies of the more well known ones) that most aren't the happy nymphos they portray and either fell into the industry out of desperation, or that they have seriously broken backgrounds and low self esteem. However, at the end of the day there are lots of people doing jobs they don't want to do due to disadvantage, low intelligence, and bad backgrounds ...
Listen to Attorney General Eric Holder!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEzc0yZunpY
Ok, jiminyjiminy, you're turning into a troll.
$5 says jimbo is a pedo and desperate to convince himself and others that he's just like everyone else.
Or he listens to waaay too many Women's Studies professors. A girl once posted a rant online about how her profs had shown her the light and that everyone who looks at naked pictures is a rapist and only rapists would ever disagree w/ her. And by not spreading The Truth, you're also a rapist. She and jimbo would get along together just fine. Right up until they either drink their grape flavor-aid to meet the spaceship, or carry out their first suicide bombing. Unless the first statement is true and jiminy is really into infant boys.
Kind of puts a spin on the old "Wendy is Hot and Juicy" joke.
Yeah, gives a whole new meaning to "Where's the beef?"
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2011/09/3767
The link between adult and child porn is observed globally, and it is nothing new. Fifteen years ago, at the 1996 World Congress against Commercial Sexual Exploitation of Children, Margaret Healy stated in a paper titled “Child Pornography: An International Perspective” that “with the emergence of the use of computers to traffic in child pornography, a new and growing segment of producers and consumers is being identified. They are individuals who may not have a sexual preference for children, but who have seen the gamut of adult pornography and who are searching for more bizarre material.”
In her book Soft Porn Plays Hardball, Reisman quotes John Rabun, Jr., the chief operating officer of the National Missing and Exploited Children’s Center in Washington, D.C., as saying that of “fourteen hundred cases of suspected child exploitation all, that is 100 percent … had in their possession at the time of arrest, adult pornography ranging from what is … typically referred to as soft pornography such as Playboy, on up to harder, such as Hustler.”
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Jiminy, the child porn watchers having gone from "normal porn" to child porn could just be because the normal porn is probably easier to find. Just because someone watches porn doesn't mean they will automatically turn to child porn. I highly doubt that even a small percentage of porn watchers go from adult to child porn.
Watching porn will not ignite a burning desire to see children sexually abused, I don't care how much you watch.
So by that logic... you can pull 14,000 cases of prisoners convicted of violent gun crimes... since all of them (100%) had guns and bullets in thier possession at one time your logic asserts anyone that owns a gun or bullets will commit a violent gun crime... sorry your logic is curricular and self sourcing... this is not rational thinking.
If your logic is correct your telling a large % of people males and females alike that they are equivalent to pedophiles for watching or making adult porn..... You should really change acid dealers that is insane.
I didn't say ALL porn users will eventually use child porn or molest children-- BUT MANY DO!!
Then you shouldn't use words like "ANY" and "ALL" and claim there is no separation from the two types.... just because you can correlate the two does not make it the cause.
Jiminy-
MANY do not. Do you even realize how many people use porn?
Research Chester The Molester-- a cartoon character run regularly in Hustler magazine-- there you have it-- adult porn pushing the child molester agenda. I know I'm just someone on the internet-- I have done years of research..... it's sad so many people can't or don't want to make this connection. Children are just the easiest prey. They AREN'T all child molesters-- some of them ARE normal people who use porn and get hyped up and molest children! Because the child is the easiest to get!!!
Mirevo3 -- do you hear yourself defending it?? I hear you defending it-- just because my written words don't convey it exactly the right way in your eyes? I'm not a writer. Normal people are watching normal adult porn and molesting kids.
Jiminy, seeing that you know about a hustler character tells me you look at their magazine. So by your logic, you must be a child molester in the making cause you watch/read porn. Doesn't make so much sense now does it?
Jesus-- I HAVE seen porn.... I've also read research.. good god, get off my back and start defending the children! Do some research for yourself--- I mean outside of the porn you use.
Not all pornography viewers will become child molesters, but all child molesters are pornography viewers.
Not all drinkers become alcoholics, but all alcoholics are drinkers.
Not all marijuana smokers become heroin addicts, but all heroin addicts smoke marijuana.
Not all people in water drown, but all people who drown were in water.
Etc, etc, etc. If you play with fire, expect to get burned. All Jiminy is saying here folks, is that this pornography acceptance by society comes with a heavy price tag. That price is a percentage of men & women who take it to complete ugliness- the exploiting of children and other innocent victims. If you advocate for pornography, you concede that child molestations rates will be significantly higher. You support an industry that really has no bounds of human decency. Can we turn back the tide and ban pornography. Probably not, but we can choose not to participate and to fight it at every level we can.
I for one have seen the devastating effects that pornography can have on a young mind and the levels of ugliness it can draw one down- down to levels that one thought not possible. Don't fool yourself in thinking all is well because you haven't seen the ugliness on a personal level- it is not.
Normal couple use porn in their intimacy and have perfect fine relationships. I watch porn (yes I do! OMG I am a sinner and going to hell!!) and I have no desire to see the filth of child porn. You ignorant people with your hypocritical beliefs are the problem.
Lord Pillsbury's examples are correct but he uses them wrong. He says porn should be outlawed because of it's negative effects, but then so should alcohol, because all drunk driving deaths are caused by it. There are also studies that say pornography actual lessens the instances of rape and molestation because there is an outlet then. Just because Lord has had a personal negative experience with something it should be outlawed. Well you know what I have had a personal negative experience with religion, that should be outlawed then too.
It's like saying owning a computer leads to child porn... Not saying all computer users look at child porn.. but many do... and almost ALL people who view child porn own a computer.... coincidence? I THINK NOT.
It's like saying if I engage in shooting deer, I'm going to eventually like shooting people.
Lord Pilsbury - You act as if porn ushered in the era of sexual deviancy. Really? So children were completely safe from sexual predatory acts and things of that nature until we opened up the Pandora's box of porn? Hmmm...I think there are some ancient Greek boys who may disagree with you. I know Caligula does.
I just giggled when I looked at playboy, then when I saw Hustler I started masturbating. I was 11
gross
Reisman goes on to say that pornography, like any addiction, starts out soft and moves on to harder material. “As in all addictive stimuli one proceeds from the original stimuli to ‘harder’ stimuli. If pornography is an addiction, like alcohol and other drugs, then it also leads a significant percentage of users to ‘harder’ stimuli, period.”
With this new study, Reisman argues that the chain of events can now easily be traced from adult pornography to child pornography and ultimately child molestation. “The use of harder pornography eventually moves into children, and then to increasing sexual violence and brutality to children,” Reisman concludes.
Your blowing up this topic will drivel.
Repeating things will never make them true. You seem to have a to close to home reaction to all this. It may be you have a problem, not the people you attack.
And pot leads straight to herion too! it's true, I read it on the internet and 4 people told me it's true, so there!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVc2MOvJv38
Watched ADULT porn in the library-- and molested child!!
& they were, almost certainly, a sick individual BEFORE they watched the porn in the library.
You show me the proof they were!
Show me the proof they weren't! You can't. Such proof is unattainable, until we can read people's minds. By your logic, we need to outlaw the internet, tv, and video games, as ALL have connections with many terrible deeds.
Denying them doesn't make them false.
Exaclty Jessicalc, that is the point being missed here. Porn is not the issue as much as sick individuals are. You are right in that if jiminy is right, it's time to start banning, well, most everything.
The problem here is not the medium, but the individuals. A healthy individual of sound mind can explore alcohol, porn, violent images, and other such things without negative impact on their lives. How do I know? Look at the money each of these things makes on people who handle themselves and their responsibilities well. With each (alcohol, porn, drugs..etc) you will also find people who delve and do not belong for a number of reasons.
you lost all credibility jiminnyjiminny when you said " listen to Eric Holder"
I agree!! That's why you should listen to that video! Eric Holder admits there are connections! And he does NOTHING!
jiminy-
There are connections between a lot of things...should we outlaw all? What the heck is he supposed to do? Outlaw porn? How do you even control and enforce that? They can't even get a grip on child porn, and believe me, they've been trying for decades.
Just do nothing then, Jessica-- do nothing... and let the children suffer! Sounds like a plan--and it seems to be working.
There isn't much to do. Let's take away EVERYONE'S freedom, because there is a small connection? What the hell kind of percentage of porn watchers do you THINK move on to child pornography BECAUSE of porn?
My guess is under 1%.
Guess again.... ICE look up ICE's website and the FBI Child Exploitation research, you'd be surprised. There are over 14 billion pornographic sites now. That's a whole lot of potential child molesters-- it's growing , child sex trafficking is the fastest growing crime in the world. But, let's all put our heads in the sand and gang up on me-- because I'm a messenger. That makes sense. Poor kids.
The distribution of porn IS already illegal... hardcore porn. The problem is defining hardcore porn. Obviously, child porn is illegal. But other forms are as well.
Jiminy, you are an ignorant and judgmental person who feels just because he believes something, it must be true. You do not speak for everyone on this planet and you think you do because you can twist facts thinking they prove your point. There are stores everywhere that sell alcohol. That is a lot of potential drunk drivers that could kill kids too. There are guns for sale everywhere, that is a lot of potential to shoot kids. Let's just ban everything because Jiminy says so!
Obviously you need porn. Porn induced erectile dysfunction much?
And this comment again shows your ignorance, I completely disagree with you, and do not watch porn. I'm betting a few others can claim the same. I'm just not down with supporting your idea of what everyone should and should not do.
Living can lead to making sinful choices. Kill em all at birth!
Oh look Jiminy trying to be smart. No erectile dysfunction here bud. I can satisfy my woman better than your jealous little eunuch butt could even dream of doing. Of course I assume it's another made up fact of yours that all porn watching leads to that condition. Child molestation existed before porn and it would exist even if it was not here. Alcohol has ruined more lives than porn could even dream of doing, but I don't see you making any platform against that.
14 billion pr0n sites? That's 2 for every person in the whole world. I better stop browsing those internets. Where do they get all the actors? I thought some of the girls (legal age, mind you) looked the same. Thanks for clarifying.
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jiminyjiminy,
The thing that amazes me the most is I watch porn, but never did I know that hustler had a cartoon depicting a pedophile. You may want to seek help dude.
Jiminy-
Guess again? I don't care how many websites there are. I asked you "What the hell kind of percentage of porn watchers do you THINK move on to child pornography BECAUSE of porn?", and you did not answer it. There could be an infinite amount of porn out there, and that does not change the question.
Oh, and of course convicted offenders BLAME porn. "It's not my fault, it's porn's fault!!".
sick people out there
sing along with me now.. "Scooby scooby doo, where are you? You're in jail having your fudge packed!" ^_^
As with sexual addiction, porn addiction is rarely caused by only one factor, but is more likely a building up of conditions over time. Causes could include exposure to pornographic images at a young age, deep seated insecurity and/or fear of rejection in relationships, or past trauma such as physical and/or sexual abuse. In addition to these causes, porn addiction feeds on itself, and is progressive in nature. A person becomes desensitized to the images that are being seen, and constantly needs more new images. In addition, once exposed to the more graphic depictions of sexual activity, simple nudity is no longer as exciting. In some cases, this progression into harder pornography can lead to illegal activities such as violent porn or child pornography.
The study Use of Pornography in the Criminal and Developmental Histories of Sexual Offenders examined the exposure to and the usage of pornography in the histories of 38 rapists and 26 child molesters. The study found that both groups reported exposure to pornography and were "significantly more likely" to use pornographic materials prior to and during their offenses. According to the study pornography was employed to relieve an impulse to act out. According to the study, child molesters indicated "significantly more" exposure to pornography than rapists in adulthood.[19]
This Crap all starts with HOMOSEXUALITY. TRUTH BE TOLD!!!!
I pray God that you end this type of crap by whatever means necessary off of the face of your beautiful planet and continue to Bless the USA!!!
WHAT? Where is the correlation between two consenting adults engaging in a homosexual act, and CHILD PORN?
In The Big Dawg's mind!
Huh. I guess I can add "it's the homosexuals fault!" to the list with "it's Bush's fault!" and "it's Obama's fault!".
Big Dawg - Are you really that ignorant?
Hey is your book tittled "In the life and mind of a dawg." You never know what will come out of a dawg's mind.
More like STARTS WITH HETERSEXUALITY like this guy WHO HAD KIDS AND A FAMILY!!! Don't let FACTS get in the way of your beliefs. We're all prejudice in some way. Like me: I think RELIGION is an excuse PEOPLE use so they can start wars, hold inquistions, separate people, convince themselves they are better than everyone else. anything they say and do is OK, and helps avoid taking a good look at themselves. Hey, if you can't fix your own house up, tell the guy next door whats wrong with his. But that's just my own personal prejudice.
Bill,
I'm sorry to hear that, although I can definitely understand why you feel that way. I know this is off-topic, but there are plenty of people who use religion for good, we're just a dying breed. :(
I'm Christian, and the bible taught me never to judge, to help those in need, that we were all made equal, that we are all loved and deserving of love, forgiveness is necessary (I struggle with this though), and most important, spread love, not hate.
Have a good weekend. :)
Yeah…I’ll have my usual…a bugger, some flies and a choke!
And with all these convicted pedophiles goin’ to jail lately, I say it’s about time to pitch in and get Bubba one of those “Take a Number Please” machines…so he doesn’t get too “behind” in his work!
22 years for nonsense like this? No wonder I consider this a police state. It's not like he was producing it. I think it's a clever idea and an example of entrepreneurial spirit sorely lacking in this country.
George Jefferson-
22 years, this is his THIRD offense for CHILD PORN. The people who sell it are creating more of a 'demand', thus, creating more 'supply'. WATCHING it is a crime! Do you not see how sick child porn is?
George,
Didn't you use to coach at PSU with Sandusky about 10 years ago? How did that work out for ya? Or were you just a Catholic Priest?
Jefferson, and just what sentence would YOU have handed out? Child porn is nonsense? You moron.
George - Anyone having anything to do with child pornography is keeping the sleazeballs in business. I guess you don't care much for kids, do you? No concern to protect them! Police state? This is an area where I hope we have a total police state!
"It's not like he was producing it."
So um how did he get a hold of these videos? Guess these child porn videos just magically appear from his hat of tricks. Hope you aren't dumb enough to use your real name. But then again you're dumb enough to post that. You should just put a bullet in your head and get it over with.
If those of you who like porn, would never look at or couldn't possibly like child porn,why then, when the porn industry puts out a new film with some child like film star, everyone has to see it?
He beats me! I was only 16 when I had my 3rd child experience!
george, george, george.....
smh....
Wow, you all want to condemn this criminal? Jiminy had me believing that because you were defending people's rights to watch porn, you were also defending this man's right to distribute child porn. You mean, he was just distracting us from the real issue of personal responsibility at stake here?
You mean, what this guy did and the issue of pornography are separate issues?
Okay, okay, okay. Clearly George Jefferson-2513137 is trying to stir people up, by posting something so clearly tasteless and just plain dumb. Mas098; who is this "everyone" you're talking about? New porn movies are released daily. Everyone around you rushes out to watch the latest child-star-look alike porn?! Ewww, who the hell are you hanging out with? I mean really, do you have any examples of "everyone" doing this? Just how do you know this? You shouldn't let your personal experience, as disturbing as it sounds, define the rest of us. You're on a small island called "my opinion", and you need to build a boat of facts to go anywhere. Pedophiles are the lowest rung of our society. Period.
He recently served time for porn and Wendy's STILL hired him! You've got to be kidding!
Hangin', too good for him, Burnin', too good for him, he should torn up into little itty bitty pieces and buried Alive!