Just to clarify...I did not mean "funny"...hahahaha hilarious, I meant funny as in strange. I just wanted to make sure that part was understood. I do not follow court cases and thought that this might be a little strange. That's all.

Chrissie1976

Welcome to THE VINE LOL where you also can express your opine and get crucified.

It is uncommon but not unheard of for a defendant to ask multiple judges to be recused. Some see it as judge shopping. Keep spinning the wheel (judge rotation) until you get one you favor. The prosecution in some cases has been known to do this openly or underhandedly by filing at a specific time/date to either get or avoid a particular judge.

I understood the first recuse as there was a clear potential for conflict and it was actually better for the prosecution to have the judge recused... the appearance of impropriety is often worse than the reality. This one IHMO is a stunt and more likely doing two things.. putting the judge on notice and laying a foundation for an appeal if there is a conviction. O"mara and George can't be too surprised that the Judge is upset with the omission of details at the first bond hearing. I do agree that Judge Lesters choice of words were reaching a little bit. No evidence that George was going to flee. He wouldn't be paying bills if he and no intention of sticking around. And lets be realistic, $300,000 just doesn't go that far, even in Peru.

Actually there can only be one point of view..... that justice is served. If that means recusal then recuse if need be. The character of the victim is actually not in question unless he has priors and it is deemed admissable if not then it is not. There apparently are a lot of people that have no clue as to the justice system and it's operation. They have a real problem with control issues and think their opinions matter when actually unless they are on the jury they do not.

Zimmerman's own actions have severely damaged his credibility so he is trying to replace the judge with a new one that he has not lied to and tried to mislead. I do not see the judge looking favorably on this motion. It is also very telling that Zimmerman is trying to suppress evidence from being released that even further shows him to be a liar. This guy would not know the truth if it bit him on the ass. I certainly hope that the judge denies his motion. He should not be allowed to keep asking for a new judge until he finds one sympathetic to him. Searching for a sympathetic judge is no more acceptable than trying to get rid of one you see as against you, particularly when the only reason this judge has a negative view of Zimmerman is his own actions. It is unusual for a defendant to ask a judge to recuse themselves because if the judge declines to recuse themself it can leave a bad taste in the judges mouth and put the defendant at a disadvantage going forward. Usually the defendant will only ask for a recusal if there are very strong grounds for the request. In this case he does not have strong grounds and the request will probably be denied.

So, we can just ask for new judge? Talk a little and see the judge reaction, then either keep him/her or ask for another judge?

What's next? Pick your own judges by interview them, and if the judge show favor reaction, keep him/her?

It's Florida; that place is a separate country. Everything they do there sounds wacko in the US, even in Texas. Has to do with the heat + humidity. Just run it by Dave Barry.

Trust is very right in why they attempt to recuse a judge, you will hear of it in a lot of big media trials. It will continue to happen until the defense finds one they like basically or find one that is favorable. They will file a motion to change venue next if they haven't already, that will also lay the ground work if he is convicted that he didn't receive a far trial based on bias opinions in that area aka tainted jury pool. What they might do is pull jury pools from other counties to try to balance the "unfair" venue..

Common Trust we have to disagree at one point.. He was a flight risk, he never disclosed his other passport and a smart criminal will keep making payments to look like he is sticking around and one day just poof.. To deviate is to draw attention and if you don't want attention drawn to you, you will continue to do the same behavior to spectators so not to draw attention to ones self.

IMHO- He lied to a judge about funds basically he slapped the judge and court in the face thinking he out smarted them by not being honest. The judge slapped back which is well deserved.

300K may not go far but who thinks that way in a desperate situation with that much money. Take off with what you have and worry when you run out mentality..

The judge still has laws and rules to follow so there is no mistrial or overthrown verdict down the road, it's the jury I would be more afraid of.

I do think there are other reasons for trying to hide the money besides making a run for it, if he is found guilty he most likely will be sued for wrongful death if he has anything of value and having all that money, he needs to hide it.

In most state courts, you can ask for a recusal, but it is usually only granted without justification once. The second time you have to provide compelling evidence that the judge in biased.

Sam, really. If you're fighting for your life, you spend every penny you have. He was going to flee, even the papers said that's how it looked. The second passport is the tipoff.

The real problem here is the prosecution trying the case in the media! No information about this case from either side should be in the news,it should be presented in court at trial. But the prosecution KNOWS the Black people will riot in the streets if Zimmerman gets Off because they have scared all the white people from Standing against any offence to the way things are goin so far . Just ask Reginal dennys family, he never did anything to any black person but because he was white thry attacked him. and Zimmerman looks more Hispanic than white but that wont matter when blacks are told to take to the streets. I believe everyone needs to sit down and shut up and let the court procede. and Both sides need to stop releasing information to rile up blacks and whites. We all got off the boat with Noah so only ignorance drives predjudice. Know that all thing are in Gods hands. so why dont we all stop trying to play God.

Mon-El, that's how the Simpson case should have been too, but I'm sure you didn't think of that at the time. Also, there is no race called Hispanic. The US governement made that term up to describe Spanish speaking people from Latin America. If you visit Latin America, you'll see that it looks a lot like the US: there are white people (Desi Arnaz), black people (Sammy Sosa), Native Americans.I have Jewish friends who are Hispanic; their roots are in Argentina. ...and if you know the history of the region, you'd also know that more slaves were taken there than were brought to the US and that it was divided into sixteen different races with Black/black on the bottom. Still, no one wants to admit to being black or having African roots. The racism is bad.

Foreign attorney, he would have had to plan to flee. It wouldn't have been easy to do. Further, he was probably waiting to see how it was going to unfold. In any case, both passports should have been turned over and the amount of money he had should have been disclosed. Those were not oversights.

The sitting presiding judge his honor will not recuse himself. RARELY does a judge reduce ones self and it is even harder to have one removed. Maybe The Notorious Mr. Zimmerman is bias against this judge. Isnt it the same judge who granted him bail again?

Besides it is the only LOGICAL conclusion that he was going to run. Why else would you hide the existence of a second passport and over a hundred thousand in cash when claiming indigence? Hmm. Indeed. Logic is real it is not made up magic. And all though common sense is rare these days [pun intended] it is still logical. Ignorance of the law is NO excuse. Ask any cop if that will even get you out of a ticket That "I forgot" defence. Remember his wife is still in jail is she not? Or is she? Hmm. ; ]

I WILL however tell you this.. The Notorious Mr. Zimmerman is MORE THAN bias by hiding the existence of over one hundred thousand dollars and a second passport when claiming indigence when he clearly knew he had them both. ; ] BIAS.. It is his own fault not the judges. The judge did not make his wife and him lie under oath and the fact he granted a second bail is proof of his objective nature.

I suppose his lawyer isn't as good as he thought he was at all. Because grasping at straws is not a legal defence... When your on trial your not playing kiddie games and you better be fourth coming and have the cards on the table legally that should be or your asking for it. As they both found out. Again it is not a game and hes a big boy so he better come correct or he wont be going at all.

Cheers

Any time a judge rules against z he/she will be removed. I wonder if TM will get justice as z cries foul and continues to mislead the system.

Brenda,

I never said those actions were oversights. I agree with you that Z SHOULD have reported truthfully the money he had; I agree with you that Z SHOULD have disclosed the second passport. The point that is being discussed here is NOT what Z SHOULD have done...we KNOW what he should have done! What we are discussing here is WHY he did that, what was his motive to lie about the money and to fail in disclosing the second passport.

Again, I am NOT trying to justify, but rather to TRY understanding his conduct, I THINK that he wanted to save as much money as he could to preserve it for the impending costly defense that he knows is coming. Regarding the second passport: he was asked to surrender his passport, which he did. Was he asked if he had another passport? No. He did not lie about it; he remained silent about having it and was not asked about it. Of course, he SHOULD have disclosed it. Lawyers and people familiar with court proceedings know that they need to disclose something like that in these circumstances. But it is POSSIBLE (just speculating here) that Z thought that he was not lying when he did not DISCLOSE information about the second passport. In situations like these, people tend to provide only the specific information they are asked. Confronted in a very stressful situation, it could be understandable that some people will only answer strictly what they are being asked, and nothing more. If this were true, Z's attorney should have advised him that he needed to disclose everything....again, this is ONLY my speculation.

Unfortunately I agree with Mr. Zimmerman in this case.

The bail hearings this judge has presided over lead me to this conclusion.

Regardless of people saying he's a flight risk because of X passport or X dollars in a paypal account, it simply hasn't been shown true to the actual FACTS of the case and Zimmerman's behavior. The judge by ordering an extensively high bail because of the paypal account reduced Zimmerman's ability to defend himself with the mounting legal fees he is sure to incur. This was intentional. Second with regard to flight risk, Zimmerman has turned himself in promptly and with zero delay every single time asked. He even did this when he was in hiding from everyone, including his own lawyer except for phone contact. The man has simply shown he's not a flight risk, and has honored every attempt by law enforcement to take him into custody when requested.

These things have been ignored by the sitting judge, and he has shown positive bias toward the prosecution and negative bias toward Zimmerman. This case is bad enough that it's tried in the media, it doesn't need any more complications.

Also the lawyer should be looked in to for official misconduct. Projecting the bias onto the judge makes me think he ACTUALLY may have advised The Notorious Mr. Zimmerman to lie about his indigence and hide his passport. ; ]

Cheers

Brenda my reply to you is further down the list . and i dont know why you feel it nessecary to say i didnt feel that way during the simpson trial. We aqll got off the boat with Noah . we all deserve equal judgment in a court of law not in the news. sounds to me you are the one with the problem of how slaves were treated by white people. And i am first generation in this country and tired of being blamed for something me or any of my family took part in. But you did leave out that the slaves as you call them were sold to Dutch traders by Chiefs of African tribes sometimes even there own Chiefs but we are getting off the point NO PERSON SHOULD BE TRIED IN THE NEWS! ONLY IN A COURT OF LAW! im sorry you missed that part as it was the main point of what i was saying. and you turned it in to a race thing.

Cniht,

I totally agree with you. You said it very well.

Mon-El, I don't give a dam* when your relatives arrived here. You're an example of why we need to reform our immigration laws. My relatives have been here at least since the 1700s. I have proof of that. However, my ancestors didn't intern the Japanese citizens during WWII, either, but I had to pay the bill. Why? Because it was a national debt. That means everyone's liability. When one group loses that means another one gains. Black people have sat in America and watched almost every group get off of the boat and step over them or on them.

But all of that is beside the point. I pointed to the Simpson case to show the hypocritical comments of many of the posters. (I believe Simpson was guilty and always have.) However, Zimmerman is too and so was Casey Anthony. But in each case the prosecutions failed to prove their cases. I think the juries got it right each time. It is not enough to think that someone is guilty, especially when the burden of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt. You have to prove it. If you cannot determine what someone is guilty of, then is there a reasonable doubt? All we know is that Anthony didn't call the police. We don't know how Cayley died. We know that Simpson had a long history of stalking and abusing his ex-wife... But we knew that about Robert Blake too, and he was found not guilty even though two stunt men testified that he tried to hire them to kill his wife. Zimmerman will not walk like those Anthony and Simpson did because we do know that he is responsible for Martin's death, even if he is found guilty only of involuntary manslaughter. However, the fact that he felt it was necessary to carry a gun while he stalked Martin to me makes it at least voluntary manslaughter (having the right to bear arms is irrelevant; if we allow that to be used, then any criminal who kills someone while in the commission of a crime could claim it). The Constitution does not give us the right to shoot anyone. I think we were given the right to bear arms in case we were called for the militia. Why weren't we given the right to shoot?

When one stacks ones own deck it is up to that one to suffer ones own consequence of ones bet that one did not clearly think out.. ; ]

Reason being as some may not know is that there is NO evidence of bias by this judge. This case is not a traffic ticket nor is it corruption by law enforcement towards him rather on his behalf nor has The Notorious Mr. Zimmerman been harassed over and over nor has he had an attempt to silence him due to out spoken-ness nor has the judge had opinion written of him exposing his bias in another case or cases due to clear bias ruled on by another judge..

He murdered a boy. A boy he lied about to 911. A boy who was not a criminal nor did the boy have any weapon on him.

On the other "hand" The Notorious Mr. Zimmerman's pattern of lying has been well established from those lies to 911 to the re arrest of him and the arrest of his wife. ; ]

Hmmmm. Indeed. ;]

Cheers

Don't forget what O'Mara said at the beginning of June.

"Mr. Zimmerman understands that this mistake has undermined his credibility, which he will have to work to repair," O'Mara said.

Some people commenting on the vine thread of that article said things like

The Dude Speaks

Zimmerman, I’ve got some really good advice for you. GET A NEW LAWYER! This guy you have now is selling you out and is obviously pursuing his own agenda.

George will have to testify at a SYG hearing.

If SYG, a new judge would be quickly brought up to date as the prosecutor cross examines GZ--all the inconsistencies of GZ's testimony + discussion of the lying at the bail hearing + problem of Trayvon's body not being where GZ said his head was being pounded.

And, again I am sure it will be pointed out what O'Mara himself said around June 3 before the 2nd bail hearing and Judge Lester's written ruling----

"Mr. Zimmerman understands that this mistake has undermined his credibility, which he will have to work to repair," O'Mara said.

By the way, O'Mara is doing all this pro bono (including the cost of his researchers, etc.) as pointed out in Judge Lester's ruling-- so that the bail the judge set won't hurt Zimmerman as far as legal costs.

EdMcT--You wrote--------

The attorney's right to file the motion, and if it's refused that will insure the case gets appealed if lost. I think the judge will recuse himself

No, I do not think the judge will recuse himself.

I also think that if there is an appeal it will not be won by O'mara.

Judge Lester, a letter-of-the-law judge, crafted his letter of ruling of the 2nd bond hearing so well that his points were covered in such a way that O'Mara's appeal attempt would appear weak in front of an appellant judge.

Frankly True--

A JUdge is biased because he caught a defendant lying on two important points and that makes a judge mad?

Show me a judge who looks favorably on being lied to

You couldn't have said it better! Good post!

In an attempt to gain sympathy for his client, O'Mara is trying to strong arm the judge...

I think Lester has been more than fair, he gave him bail AGAIN, even though it was obvious GZ was keeping his option to flee, wide open!

A new judge will be able to see GZ's true character as well...

The "don't follow him" quote is fatually untrue. Listen to the recording

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starsailing

Zimmerman to 911....hello....I found a suspicious character ......911"what does he look like?,

Zimmerman: he is dressed in black robe, they always get away with it. 911 who are you talking about?

Zimmerman: this guy is a thug, something in his hand, looks like wooden hammer. 911 "Dont follow him"
Zimmerman: ok.......................................................Bang!

Chrissie1976 "I do not get involved and follow too many cases. Can someone help me understand if this is a "normal" thing for someone to ask for a new judge twice before an actual trial"

It's only granted if the Judge makes comments or takes actions that might be considered partial - either against or for a Defendant. The Defense is claiming that the Judge is not being impartial, and I tend to agree - the idea that Zimmerman would 'flee' is laughable since he has a very strong defense, based on the evidence - besides, where would he go - the whole World knows his face.

54buick-2228134 "The judge has shown hostility toward the defendant who is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and therefore the defendant has requested a change.It's interesting to know that the FBI today determined that there is NO EVIDENCE that race was a factor with Zimmerman. Of course, you don't see that report from MSN."

Do you have a link to the FBI story?

Mon-El " THE POINT IS TRIALS SHOULD BE HELD IN A COURT OF LAW NOT IN THE MEDIA PERIOD"

That part is true. Attempts to use the media to 'taint the jury pool' should be off limits, but that seems to be what the Prosecution is doing. Evidence should only be presented at the trial.

The judge should step down. His comments were completely unprofessional. Obviously, the lynch mob mentality has gotten to the judge. This is AMERICA and he is entitled to a FAIR trial! Unless you want to convict then have it appealed and this goes on forever!!!

The only "SWEEPING GENRALIZATION" in this case is "STAND YOUR GROUND = SANCTIFED MURDER AT WILL". period

There was "an indication" there. THE COURT gets to know and act on "indications" of improprieties, ie, BALD-FACED-LYING to The Court; and especially by allowing one of your "Charachter Witnesses" to do it for you, as if it doesn't count because she was, what? Also "Standing on her own ground" that couldn't possibly include or "Affect" ANYBODY ELSE????

amused123-1848476, #1.40- NICE POST!!!

Roy Wilson-336103, above- HOWDY! Long time. I've been away for months and this only my second post since returning and THERE YOU WERE! Wasn't "Integrity" of the Court and the Judiciary also already brought up as "FACTORS" to be weighed and considered?

LOL...All the the judge did, was support his Order Setting Bail, with the FACTS...

Zimmie is a liar, zimmie was hiding cash, zimmie had a second passport...just in case....

Too bad the zimmie lovers, don't like the facts!

Lester should stay!

Since racist MSNBC doesnt want to report NEWS...I will!

FBI records: Agents found no evidence that Zimmerman was racist

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/20120713fbi_records_agents_found_no_evidence_that_zimmerman_was_racist/srvc=home&position=recent

The prosecution wasn't accusing GZ of racial profiling, they were accusing him of CRIMINALLY profiling...

Do you see the difference?

Trial maneuverings occur and are important issues when the ability to get a fair trial is suspected - I agree, if there is a hint of bias on the part of a judge that would preside over MY trial I would want it examined and corrected, if bias is determined.

On a second note of interest.....why after all this time do we not have a current or updated picture of TM, why are the media still showing this obviously outdated photo of him? For sensationalism, to generate symphony or readership, to create bias against GZ? An inquiring mind - that has not been fooled, yet, by either side!

Trying to hide GZ's lies by seeking a new judge is typical of GZ's life-long weasel approach to getting out of trouble.

This is very simple, Zimmerman knows he is guilty, so he is hunting for a judge that agrees with what he did or is a friend of daddy. That way he is guarantee that he will get away with it.

Zimmerman knows he is guilty, so he is hunting for a judge that agrees with what he did

Exactly, Jibaro!

Jibaro

This is very simple, Zimmerman knows he is guilty, so he is hunting for a judge that agrees with what he did or is a friend of daddy. That way he is guarantee that he will get away with it.

I don't necessarily agree or disagree with your statement - but I want to know what your source is for your informed (?) statement. Are you capable of reading minds to know what someone is thinking? If so the authorities would love your help in solving some real unsolvable crimes.

you all have thoughtful comments

Zimmerman knows he is guilty, so he is hunting for a judge that agrees with what he did

Exactly, Jibaro!

Did you REALLY understand what Jibaro was saying, what his insinuations are? It might be the wisest choice to just let the law and the courts work out the process - it's plain to see that you both are bias and have already done the courts work - are you trained lawyers?

keep reachin' georgie boy; maybe you can find a judge who is "sympathetic" to your cause. might be hard to recognize him, though, without his white hoodie and burning cross.

I think I'll trust a judge's expertise on the range of circumstances that play together in a case to make someone a possible flight risk rather than the opinion of a bunch of bozos on teh internets who probably formed said opinion from the fall line-up's fantastic run of law shows.

Wilson - The whole world knows his face? Yes, I'm sure that in the razed, scorched earth, those places right now that are facing unparalleled civil unrest, economic uncertainty, and daily violence in the street, the masses have concerned themselves with a US trial.

I could point to 1,000 places on a map where I'm sure no one has ever even heard of this clown.

Zimmerman to 911....hello....I found a suspicious character ......911"what does he look like?,

Zimmerman: he is dressed in black robe, they always get away with it. 911 who are you talking about?

Zimmerman: this guy is a thug, something in his hand, looks like wooden hammer. 911 "Dont follow him"
Zimmerman: ok.......................................................Bang!

You're one of the worst, most bias, and least informed posters here. You just told us how it happened IN YOUR HEAD (mostly according to edited audio played on TV to purposely drum up more publicity and ratings)....would you now care to post the transcripts of the ACTUAL 911 call here so people can see what happened (as far as we can know via the 911 tapes) and draw their own conclusions?

Of course not. You didn't even draw YOUR own conclusions. You listened to MSNBC talking heads all day and decided they're the harbingers of truth, the gatekeepers of facts, and the Saints of all things economic and political (let alone philosophical).

You're no better than those who watch FOX and do the exact same thing. You, like them, are "useful idiots" of the statists who wish to push particular agendas. The FOX and MSNBC crowds may not be communists or fascists, but they are certainly falling for propaganda, aiding causes they rhetorically stand against, and are constantly supporting things they don't fully comprehend.

You sir, are one HUGE fail in politics, economics, and philosophy.

Now post the actual transcripts, a link to them, or stfu. Your opinions suck, always have, and likely always will. The only hop is for you to spend less time reading the "news", and more time reading books...so you can educate yourself into an opinion worth a damn. Right now, all you have is hot air.

Sometimes I think you actually ARE Ed Schultz. He's full of crap too, like his doppelganger Bill O'Reilly.

.why after all this time do we not have a current or updated picture of TM, why are the media still showing this obviously outdated photo of him?

OMG...There are PLENTY of current pictures being posted...YOU don't realize it BECAUSE he STILL LOOKS LIKE A KID...cause he WAS a KID!

Wow, 66, You need a judge to analyze and reach conclusions for you. Did you know that there are such things as corrupt judges? Did you know that many Innocent people go to jail because the system does not work while guilty people, usually because they have money, walk out?

I have a mind and I can think. Just because a judge says that someone is innocent or a jury sides with the accused doesn't mean that the guy is Innocent. I know because I've seen how judges do their thing.

OMG...There are PLENTY of current pictures being posted...YOU don't realize it BECAUSE he STILL LOOKS LIKE A KID...cause he WAS a KID!

And that explains the outdated pictures for propaganda purposes, in your mind? Really? lol.

He was 17...a child by American standards. He was also over 6' tall and as heavy as I am now (an adult).

None of what you or I just said means he didn't attack someone who wasn't impeding his progress or illegally detaining him (which would denote self defense). It also doesn't mean he DID attack anyone.

Him being a kid is irrelevant to the defendent's point of view. At that size, dressed how Trayvon was dressed (face obscured by the hood, therefore hiding his age), there is no way to be sure Zimmerman didn't perceive him as an adult. As a matter of fact, he told police he thought the victim (Trayvon) was "a few years younger"than he (Zimmerman) was.

That means, in Z's point of view, the alleged assailant (Trayvon) was an adult attacker, not some really tall kid wearing baggy clothes that make him look heavier than he really is.

BTW, I'm not saying the clothes contributed to his death, other than by fluke of the circumstance. I'm all for hoodies.

Jo-an...The pictures msn and the liberal media spun was his earlier pictures, only a couple of him posing as his true self ( gangbanger) have come out. Im thinking people like to believe he was this innocent little kid walking with skittles and minding his own business when in fact he wasnt.

wtfjes66, #1.49- True- trial maneuverings do occur and are necessary, but just like maneuvering a car, there also have to be "orderly" Rules of timeliness and such to avoid a "free-for-all", ie, "Yield or Merge"; "Green light, Yellow light, Red light", NO LYING (or Parking), Speed Limits, etc........AND, "NO taking the Parking Policeman out because he gave you a parking ticket for being illegally parked in a NO LYING zone." Was there not a time then to maneuver an appeal if the Parking Policeman was in the wrong about the NO LYING (parking) ticket he had handed out? and did the Attorney do that at [that] time? I don't know, I didn't follow it that closely to know. This now seems like an "improper" maneuver, at best, to "take-out" the one that handed out the NO LYING (parking) ticket!

Great question about the photographs. There is a touch of what seems to be purposefully "deceptive" in all of that, but I've come around to looking at it more in terms of the Press excercising Free Speech expression in a more true, accurate and NEEDED depiction of what really needs to not be in "lost sight of" in all of this, too, that HE WAS JUST A KID! doing nothing more than BEING A KID WALKING BACK HOME FROM THE STORE!!!!!!!!!! and in no possible way deserved to be gunned down and murdered for doing it OR JUST FOR BEING! Too bad the Media, THE PRESS, has been so jaded and mired so deep in "just inflicting" monetary bias and profitable cesspool advertising demographics for so long now that they can't stand behind what they're doing and ALSO REPORT THAT! (even if a kernal, maybe, of "not-for-profit" truth arises, if the case may be)

Hell, throw every last GD Politician of the CESSPOOL that we, unfortunately, have to refer to as THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA right into the mix, too!!!

LOL...

only a couple of him posing as his true self ( gangbanger) have come out.

You mean the FAKE photo's put out by Michelle Malkins twitchy website? The one they posted a retraction about? Here are real pictures of Trayvon, taken 9 days before he was murdered...

http://globalgrind.com/news/Trayvon-Martin-9-Days-Before-Death-Photo

Funny to me that the trash continues. Martin is just a poor kid walking with ice tea. Zimmerman just walked up to him and shot him. Come on! Lets talk about Martin's past as this will give a pretty good picture of the future. Drugs, theft and burglary tools, on and on. The kid got what he deserved and our world is less one street thug. The crime here is that minorities can scream racism, when none exists, and influence the system. However, the most significant crime is that young people can grow up having worthless parents who do not or can not help them to take their lives in the right direction. While Zimmerman seems to be an idiot, I don't think he will be found guilty for this event. He was on watch in the neighborhood for people just like Martin, no matter what their age. Seems the security program worked very well.

Funny to me that the trash continues. Martin is just a poor kid walking with ice tea. Zimmerman just walked up to him and shot him.

No one of any repute has said this.

Come on! Lets talk about Martin's past as this will give a pretty good picture of the future. Drugs, theft and burglary tools, on and on

These are character assassination ploys (propaganda models), and not relevant to the case at hand.

The kid got what he deserved and our world is less one street thug.

So now you, like so many of the anti-Z crowd, know exactly what happened that day. Please, do tell, having never met either of the people who were there, what exactly happened moment by moment...

...we're waiting.

I agree Dsmith, i grew up around a black neighborhood and they will jump and attack any whites the saw just for their amusement and were alot more racists then whites Ive ever been around with. This poor little black kid walking with candy and being sooo innocent rhetoric has gotten old.

Leaving the guilt or innocence for the jury to decide, am I the only one who finds it odd that the state/prosecutors are determined to try this case in the media? I dont claim to have any idea if this guy if guilty or innocent, nor do I believe anyone has seen the whole story because the news has played this so many diffrent ways to draw viewers. Its hard to have an open mind when the state is trying to get a conviction before the trial even starts.

You mean the FAKE photo's put out by Michelle Malkins twitchy website? The one they posted a retraction about? Here are real pictures of Trayvon, taken 9 days before he was murdered...

http://globalgrind.com/news/Trayvon-Martin-9-Days-Before-Death-Photo

Yeah, that photo doesn't help your point...he doesn't look like a little kid in that photo, like the ones they always show on TV. He looks a little shorter than he actually as because he is kneeling on his mother's chair for the close-in pic...so he would of looked taller than that to Z.

ProIndividual-3906907, he was 5' 11 inches and 158 pounds...

Jibaro

Wow, 66, You need a judge to analyze and reach conclusions for you. Did you know that there are such things as corrupt judges?

Well, not for me (but it's fairly clear that you do!) because that's what judges do! I don't sit back and make armchair decisions based on things I have no intimate understanding of - like the comments your posts sadly illustrate - your statement that "he knows he's guilty" speaks of something you could not possibly have any knowledge of - actually on the face of it your statement it's rather juvenile and presumptive at best. If you had read my previous post you would have seen my opinion on judges and courtroom maneuverings - but you obviously didn't. People are quick to judge based on 2nd hand reports by media or by other peoples opinions. The only opinion I stated was that if it was me on trial - for whatever reason - I would want every one whom my attorney's felt might be bias to be questions and removed if found to be biased - a common practice by defense - if you had any courtroom experience at all you would be aware of this - your comments speak otherwise in spite of your proclamation of having seen how judges work.

Clearly this Judge Lester went way overboard with his comments so Zimmerman deserves an impartial judge. The two recussal requests are done on two separate matters. It will be hard enough for RZ to get a fair trial so it seems very appropriate for Judge Lester to recuse himself. And what's with trying to publish or even use taped phone calls! What country is this!!!

ProIndividual-3906907,

he doesn't look like a little kid in that photo,

He certainly doesn't look like a "thug" though, does he? He looks like a regular 17 kid...

Oh. wtfjes66, I have seen how judges and lawyers do their thing. I befriended a lawyer once that was dedicated to getting drug trafickers out of jail. Every so often he would show up with a new motorcycle or car his clients would give him in gratitude for his services. I had a brother that was a criminal and he would laught because he never served a day for his crimes but spend half his life in jail because the police wanted him to squeal on his friend. I know how the system works because I have represented myself in cases against the goverment because no lawyer would do what had to be done.

A thinking person must learn to listen, read between the lines and reach his own conclusions. In this case the mere fact that Zimmerman called 911 and ignored instructions tell me that he is guilty. If he had Martin would be alive today.

ProIndividual-3906907, he was 5' 11 inches and 158 pounds...

I've seen reports of him being 6'1" - 6'3"...but assuming you're right...he was still taller than me and just as heavy...and I'm an adult. He didn't look like a kid. That was point, and I'm right...especially considering his fashion that day.

According to the Sanford Police, he was "the teen was actually six feet tall and weighed 160 pounds".

Bing or google "how tall was Trayvon Martin Zimmerman"...you'll get a lot of nonsense, but even the news reports on page 2 or whatever of your searches will overwhelmingly claim he was taller than 6'.

Mystery Rhee

I agree, timing is important but we don't know in this case if it was bad or good timing. We do know that in all capital cases the entire court proceedings are reviewed and, if any appeal is necessary it will be dealt with then - kind of a fail safe action. However, at any time during the procedure - in this case only (each is different in context and maneuverings dependent on defense attorneys) this procedure would or could be noted for later debate - common practice is to get objections on the court record as soon as.

As to the media, I have very pointed opinions on them and their abiltiy to report, unbais, anything news worthy story - they have lost all credability with me to the point that I do my own research on anything of interest to me - I leave the rest to the speculators we read in these forums - sometimes, however, I feel the need to highlight silly without justifacation statements meant only to sooth ones own personal agenda. As for congress, I agree with your sentiments - but question who are the fools that put them in office!

There are actually lists of items that a judge is required to consider when assigning bail. And evaluation of a flight risk is one of them. And within flight risk, there are several items, among them having large amounts of cash secretly accumulated and having a second, undisclosed, passport from a foreign country are among the most serious indications. Remember that OJ Simpson was considered a flight risk because he had $5,000 cash and a passport. No difference.

What makes GZ's issue more complex is that: 1) he did something (not known what) to his first and second sets of lawyers. The first gave "failure to consummate the contract" as the reason, meaning that he had not paid them a retainer. The second group cited "dishonesty" among other reasons. 2) He lied to his parents and in-laws about his need for bail money, causing both to take second mortgages on their homes. 3) He and his wife talked in their stupid "code" about moving money from the PayPal account to her credit union account and keeping the amounts below $4,000 --- the problem is that doing something like this to avoid money laundering flags is prima facie money laundering. 4) She is already charged with perjury and it is very likely that GZ will be charged as well. 5) He lied about having a passport from another country and citizenship in another country and hid his Peruvian passport and denied that he was a Peruvian citizen. They will probably be charged eventually for felony money laundering, which is a Class X crime. 6) He lied to his contributors saying that all money was for legal expenses and was spending it on living expenses instead. These are all things that the judge was required to consider when evaluating him as a flight risk. Yes, I would agree that this judge probably has some bias against him. But, you have to remember that judges see cases every day and they would not be human if they did not form biases against certain people. For example, the bias against Jerry Sandusky by the judge and his own defense time was pretty obvious, but by that time the jury was also rolling its eyes during his defense closing remarks. That is just human nature and you cannot recuse a judge for being human. In fact, it is exactly what you want if you are innocent or believe you are Innocent.

Notice that the GZ donation site now is run by the lawyers (obviopusly so they are not the third group stiffed and to stop the money laundering) and the donations are specified to be for both defense and living expenses. GZ is not eligible for unemployment and is not eligible for things like food stamps because the donations put him far over the eligibility limits. He is in a bad fix financially and will probably be so for the rest of his (and his wife's) lives.

In Florida, for example, a felony conviction will make them ineligible for most public assistance. He can't be a cop, she can't be a teacher so both have their futures ruined already. Like the military, most professions that require licensure ask, "Have you ever been charged with a felony?" not convicted, just charged. That was why Laura Bush had her Texas teaching certificate "annulled" --- she failed to disclose a youthful manslaughter charge that was expunged when she turned 21.

Jibaro

I understand your feelings - sorry about your brother. There are good and bad people in every profession so for every bad one there are, probably just as many good ones - coming on the laws of probability, only. Prosecutors will, obviously go to GZ's state of mind - but lets not call the race card just yet, remember it was the 911 op. who asked what race.....and by the way, that would be a standard question to ask since if you were doing a search for a suspect you certainly wouldn't want to waste time investigating little old gray-haired ladies when you wee looking for young blonde's, would you. The only thought here, for me, would be that because of some bad contacts with questionable people I wouldn't defame a whole profession or jump to unsubstantiated conclusions. This has been my point all along. My apologies if I didn't express myself very clearly.

Zimmerman's actions throughout this has shown who and what he truly is. The Judge is right in his comments. This guy doesn't respect authority and feels he is above the law. How many of us would have approached Trayvon Martin the way Zimmerman approached him? Normal people don't do this.

Zimmerman was the one looking for trouble and should be held accountable. He is also proving to be a person who never accepts responsibility for his actions. He sees the issue as always someone else when clearly all the problems and issues he feel are against him are brought on by his own actions.

He certainly doesn't look like a "thug" though, does he? He looks like a regular 17 kid...

He wasn't wearing a hoodie in that picture to further shild your very bias judgement. Put yourself in someone else's shoes and tell me, if that 6'+ tall person who weighed as much as a healthy adult male was walking down the street youy'd just assume he was a kid.

Remember...if you listen to the 911 call, Z didn't even know the kids race until he walked right past him (the dispatcher asked the kid's race is the only reason it even came up). That seems to clue you in that the kid was largelt covered by baggy clothes.

I am not white and grew up in a VERY bad high violent crime area. Anyone that size walking down the street would have been assumed to be a "thug"...but only colloquially, as thug actually means a paid enforcer.

So yes, he would of looked like a thug, in a colloquial sense, not a literal sense. That doesn't mean it's right to call him a "thug" however, just because he smoked a little weed or had "burglary tools"...as I know from my time in construction that most anything can be considered a burlary tool...and usually is, when found on a non-white person by a cop.

So, you'll notice, I never called him a thug, and never said he looked like one...until you just said it to me (asking my opinion). I only tell you he looked thuggisy because it's relevant to Z's potential perception of the deceased.

I think you should direct such terms to those who use those terms (I didn't until you asked), because I'm against using them (as I think it's code for "black" for most people)...otherwise it's an attempt to straw man me. I never made such an argument.

He does, however, look like an adult in that picture you linked to, and on the night in question he REALLY appeared to look like an adult to Z (given we know so many details of his dress and Z's unawareness of even his race). That means the pics they usually show are purposefully flattering to Trayvon's side of things, as they hope to evoke an emotional response by showing his bald-faced younger days, before that peach-fuzz mustache seen in the pic you linked to.

A 6'+, 160lb, light mustache-having kid doesn't look like a child to Z once you incorporate the hoodie and baggy clothes (that make him look even heavier). That was my whole point, and I'm absolutely objectively correct. Enough emotional arguments already.

He certainly doesn't look like a "thug" though, does he? He looks like a regular 17 kid...

He wasn't wearing a hoodie in that picture to further shield your very bias judgement. Put yourself in someone else's shoes and tell me, if that 6'+ tall person who weighed as much as a healthy adult male was walking down the street you'd just assume he was a kid.

Remember...if you listen to the 911 call, Z didn't even know the kid's race until he walked right past him (the dispatcher asked the kid's race is the only reason it even came up). That seems to clue you in that the kid was largelt covered by baggy clothes.

I am not white and grew up in a VERY bad high violent crime area. Anyone that size walking down the street would have been assumed to be a "thug"...but only colloquially, as thug actually means a paid enforcer.

So yes, he would of looked like a thug, in a colloquial sense, not a literal sense. That doesn't mean it's right to call him a "thug" however, just because he smoked a little weed or had "burglary tools"...as I know from my time in construction that most anything can be considered a burlary tool...and usually is, when found on a non-white person by a cop.

So, you'll notice, I never called him a thug, and never said he looked like one...until you just said it to me (asking my opinion). I only tell you he looked thuggisy because it's relevant to Z's potential perception of the deceased.

I think you should direct such terms to those who use those terms (I didn't until you asked), because I'm against using them (as I think it's code for "black" for most people)...otherwise it's an attempt to straw man me. I never made such an argument.

He does, however, look like an adult in that picture you linked to, and on the night in question he REALLY appeared to look like an adult to Z (given we know so many details of his dress and Z's unawareness of even his race). That means the pics they usually show are purposefully flattering to Trayvon's side of things, as they hope to evoke an emotional response by showing his bald-faced younger days, before that peach-fuzz mustache seen in the pic you linked to.

A 6'+, 160lb, light mustache-having kid doesn't look like a child to Z once you incorporate the hoodie and baggy clothes (that make him look even heavier). That was my whole point, and I'm absolutely objectively correct. Enough emotional arguments already.

Sorry for DP...I would of erased the above, but it wouldn't let me...and I could edit this one for spelling, etc...so I didn't erase this one either.

most of the posts on here miss the point entirely. There is one TRUE fact in this case that is known and indiputable..... zimmerman, carrying a gun, shot a 17 year old kid WHO WAS UNARMED, after being told by police to back off. had he been forthcoming and told the truth about the money he had collected he would haqve been out on whatever bail the judge deemed appropriate. BUT, georgie boy, figured he had hit the lotto with the $150K or whatever he had collected "for his defense", and thought he could get over on the system by trying to hide the money with assists from his wife sister (and most likely) advice from his old man, Oh yeah, and, after giving up his passport to ensure he was not a flight risk, it is discovered that he has a SECOND passport. which makes him a LIAR (which judges tend to look down upon, like, suppose he takes the money that has been donated, grabs his second passport and diappears.... do you nuts out there think justice would be done? youd be all over the judge for letting an accused felon diasppear. or, dont you "law and order" types out there give a damn when the victim is a black man?) It also makes him a flight risk, and makes his wife (and anybody else who is in on the deception) a perjurer who has also obstructed justice. roger clemens was recently harrassed for three or four years by the feds for the very same crimes, and he didnt kill anybody. man, its no wonder this country is slipping rapidly down the sh*tter, the people in this country are so stupid it hurts.

ProIndividual,

Funny to me that the trash continues. Martin is just a poor kid walking with ice tea. Zimmerman just walked up to him and shot him.

"No one of any repute has said this."

I agree with you, this is not what took place. Martin confronted Zimmerman and Zimmerman decided it was time to end the threat on his life. A good decision.

Come on! Lets talk about Martin's past as this will give a pretty good picture of the future. Drugs, theft and burglary tools, on and on

"These are character assassination ploys (propaganda models), and not relevant to the case at hand."

So ProIndividual, you feel that a persons past does not give you and indication of how they live their lives and future actions you might expect of them? While you are correct in that this is relevant in a court of law, please be reminded that we are on the internet discussing this event. Not a court of law.

The kid got what he deserved and our world is less one street thug.

"So now you, like so many of the anti-Z crowd, know exactly what happened that day. Please, do tell, having never met either of the people who were there, what exactly happened moment by moment..."

While you seem to think you have superior knowledge of the event, I can only go by what the press has released to form my opinion. I feel strongly that the case is one where a "white" killed a black and the black community wants justice, no matter the reason for the shooting or what the dead kid did all his life to come to the point where he is looking down the barrel of a 9 mil handgun. It is a sorry day when this type of event occurs for anyone and there usually are many reasons for it. But we live in a world where you break into my house, beat me or my family up, etc., you will be looking down the barrel of a 45 ACP and most likely be saying hello to Martin.

Finally, you post states that I am a member of the anti Z group. Read my comment again, I am not.

hey pro, you DO omit one very big and inmportant fact here. regardless of whether zimmerman thought martin was an adult or a child, whether or not he looked like a "thug" or not isnt relevant. In fact tho zimmie claims to have been acting as a "neighborhood watchman" he was not on "watch duty" that night, and when he called to cops to report this situation, the cops have maintained from the very beginning that they told him to back off, which he ignored, continuing to follow, shadow or stalk martin. I dont claim to know all the facts in this case, as I do not remain glued to court tv or nancy (dis)grace's hideous tv show. I do know fact a) zimmie shot trayvon, b) he did this in violation of a police order, c) martin was armed ONLY with a bag of skittles and a bottle of snapple, d) zimmie and his old lady and probably his sister and father committed perjury and obstruction of justice by lying about the "donations" he had receieved from his website, about moving the monies in amounts under $10,000, and about having a second passport.

Requesting a new judge whether your request is accepted or denied does not change the fact that the defendant lied to the court about how much money he had and his pass port not to mention his wife helped. Actually I think it calls more attention to these facts.

Jayman, how would you feel if it was your kid who was shot by Zimmerman after the cops clearly told him to not to follow Trayvon? I don't believe you would be saying the same things you are saying now.

This is called muddying the waters...........looking for any way to stall the proceedings so his lawyer can come up with some kind of defense when they have none. Mr Zimmerman has demonstrated his purposeful willingness to deceive the court, and that is something YOU DO NOT DO. Judges take lying and deception very seriously.....Mr. Zimmerman seems to think this is some kind of game.......perhaps he has yet to realize that there are serious and lifelong consequences for his actions and that he cannot undo what has happened or avoid being responsible for and suffering the punishment for his actions.

Mr. Zimmerman can't run away and hide or pretend this did not happen...........this is real....a child is dead at your hand........and I'm sure he rue's the day this happend and his actions, but this IS happening and his life is CHANGED FOREVER and WILL NEVER BE THE SAME............and Trayvon is still dead..............your fear of suffering the punishment for your actions is still not nearly as horrendous as the fear Trayvon had as he lay dying at you hand.

Welcome to your life Mr. Zimmerman (at least you still have one)........it is of your doing. I wonder if you would have stayed in the car if you knew what you now know....woulda, coulda, shoulda..........sucks don't it.

most of the posts on here miss the point entirely. There is one TRUE fact in this case that is known and indiputable..... zimmerman, carrying a gun, shot a 17 year old kid WHO WAS UNARMED, after being told by police to back off.

Well that's not true, and therefore disputable. The first part isn't illegal...the assailant need not be armed or of age for the case to be self defense, and thereby justifiable homocide. Also, the dispatcher was NOT a cop, and had no legal authroity to give orders. This has been said a billion and one times now. Z had no legal responsibility to obey the dispatcher, furthermore, we don't know he didn't listen to the dispatcher. According to him, he did stop following the kid, lost sight of him, got into, and back out of, his car, and did so to find an address to tell the dispatcher where he was. That's when he claims Trayvon allegedly attacked him.

So nothing you said is indisputable, at all.

1. This guy's problems go much higher than the judge. He has been marked to made an example of by powers much higher than the judge in the case. Probably has the DOJ and the White House involved. Obama's opinion of this is well documented. People exercising their constitutional right to protect themselves against thugs is not looked upon favorably and "they" want to see the trend reversed.

2. Not saying that this guy is not a knucklehead, but many seem to see a resident taking a proactive stance in the protection of their neighborhood to be a bad thing. As a victim of a burglary and the subsequent lack of "give a damn" by the local police, we need to be much more vigilant in our neighborhoods and stop believing that the authorities are looking out for us. They are not. You are the primary person responsible for your security.

3. There may be facts I am not aware of, but it seems to me that Zimmerman is being persecuted for exercising his right to self-defense and his right to be proactive about the security of his area of residence. Martin wouldn't have been shot if he hadn't assaulted Zimmerman.

4. Legal maneuvers by a defendant, and his lawyers to use every advantage they can, is normal. Why would anyone think this guy should sit quietly in his cell and allow himself to be railroaded.

5. There are few guaranties in life, but I can guarantee that had Martin been white, no one outside of Sanford would have ever heard of Zimmerman and Martin, CNN wouldn't have had hours of coverage, Al Sharpton wouldn't have had any involvement and Obama wouldn't have expressed such concern about the situation.

In fact tho zimmie claims to have been acting as a "neighborhood watchman" he was not on "watch duty" that night

Now this may have some relevance to Florida law!

In my State it has no relevance, as once you're recognized as a civilian authority figure by the community (like a neighborhood watch person, or a liscenced security guard, etc), you can always consider yourself on duty 24-7. So, if in my State you are a neighborhhod watchman (or woman; we have a few), and you see a crime when you're out and about and not on duty, you can suddenlt consider yourself back on duty.

But, in Florida, I do not know the law on this subject. You may be exactly right...he may have sealed his fate if you are.

1. This guy's problems go much higher than the judge. He has been marked to made an example of by powers much higher than the judge in the case. Probably has the DOJ and the White House involved. Obama's opinion of this is well documented. People exercising their constitutional right to protect themselves against thugs is not looked upon favorably and "they" want to see the trend reversed.

2. Not saying that this guy is not a knucklehead, but many seem to see a resident taking a proactive stance in the protection of their neighborhood to be a bad thing. As a victim of a burglary and the subsequent lack of "give a damn" by the local police, we need to be much more vigilant in our neighborhoods and stop believing that the authorities are looking out for us. They are not. You are the primary person responsible for your security.

3. There may be facts I am not aware of, but it seems to me that Zimmerman is being persecuted for exercising his right to self-defense and his right to be proactive about the security of his area of residence. Martin wouldn't have been shot if he hadn't assaulted Zimmerman.

4. Legal maneuvers by a defendant, and his lawyers to use every advantage they can, is normal. Why would anyone think this guy should sit quietly in his cell and allow himself to be railroaded.

5. There are few guaranties in life, but I can guarantee that had Martin been white, no one outside of Sanford would have ever heard of Zimmerman and Martin, CNN wouldn't have had hours of coverage, Al Sharpton wouldn't have had any involvement and Obama wouldn't have expressed such concern about the situation.

This whole post is full of win. I'd only add that if Trayvon were white OR Zimmerman were black, we'd never of heard of this case outside Florida. You have no idea how many of my family members (black, hispanic, white, and islanders) think Z is white! I keep reminding them he's half white...and if that qualifies you as "white", then so is Obama! Since we know Obama is not white, either is anyone else who is 50/50.

The reason for the request was his comments showed that the judge thinks Zimmerman is a racist according to Zimmermans attorney. With the release of the Police interviews that Zimmerman is not a racist, do you really think Zimmerman will get a fair trial.

Each case should be judged by facts, not opinions. The attorney is really doing his job by looking out for his client.

So ProIndividual, you feel that a persons past does not give you and indication of how they live their lives and future actions you might expect of them?

If you were trying to predict future behavior fine...but he's dead. You can't use hindsight bias to set up a predictive model now. That's not at all scientific. Even if Trayvon were the shooter, not the victim, he couldn't have his past convictions brought up unless they DIRECTLY related to the case...as to prevent bias of the jury with irrelevant facts.

Smoking weed? It makes you LESS violent, not more. No serious person thinks otherwise.

Burglary? How does that make you likely to violently beat someone's head into the concrete? There is no logical connection.

And since Trayvon was the victim (or at least the one killed), not the assailant, you definately can't use hindsight bias and character assasination to impune the victim.

Show some violent behavior on Trayvon's part in his past and you'll have relevant material...otherwise it's just uncool to continue these propaganda ploys in an attempt at bad arguments. It's neither legally allowed, nor logically. I learned this in high school debate class when we covered propaganda, sophistry, and informal logical fallacies.

While you seem to think you have superior knowledge of the event, I can only go by what the press has released to form my opinion.

And no, I do not assume I have superior knowledge of the event...as that was the entire point of me telling someone who said Trayvon 'deserved it' that they must have been there to know that.

NONE of us know what happened. And if you read my posts, I'm clearly leaning toward Zimmerman's side...not because I'm convinced he's innocent, but because there is too much reasonable doubt and too much pointing at justifiable homocide. So you shouldn't think I'm anti-Zimmerman here.

"The second sought to keep certain evidence evidence from being made public."

If the evidence doesn't get him, he better worry about the evidence evidence or even the evidence evidence evidence! Get the monkeys out of the editing and proof reading rooms - hire some people instead!!!

I see nothing in the judges comments that approach bias unless you say he is biased against people who lie to the courts under oath as he and his wife did. on the matter of flight the guy hid assets and kept a second passport then wanted to get low bail then went into hiding. One could say he was a severe flight risk even though he was wearing bracelet. All this crap is ..is for public opinion to go in his favor and secondly for later in case he is convicted to file an appeal. What he risks is even if the judge recuses himself he may get a hanging judge anyway. As stupid as both he and his lawyer seem he deserves one. Fair trial in his home district? He stands about as much chance as the victim knowing how prejudiced some people are in that area.

BTW...DSmith...

I didn't say you were anti-Z...I said LIKE many of those who are anti-Z, you claimed to know exactly what happened (Hence you said Trayvon deserved it, as if you were there and know that...and you don't).

Each case should be judged by facts, not opinions.

If they were half the people in jail would be free. They even have people who say they can tell which jurors will be affected by hearsay and those that will not. You live in a dream world!

Yes GZ was legally authorized to carry a concealed weapon. But, in the position he took on that night, as a captain in the neiborhood watch, it was not leagal to have that weapon in that capacity. If the sheriff of the neiborhod had left the gun in his truck under those conditions. There would have been no confrontation at all. If GZ would have at least introduced himself as a neiborhood watch member, there would have been no confrontation. Thus no killing of anyone. Even if, none of this happened and there was a confrontation, he was still in the wrong in his actions of pursuit. Even if the person told him not to pursue,, to which he said,"ok". To wait for the real police to arrive and handle the situation. But the sheriff of Dodge, brave man with a weapon, was going to confront the person in question, knowingly that it was agains the rules of the neiborhood watch regulations. They are just supposed to watch and report (911) and not persue. Once GZ pursused, any action that took place from the pursuit, he is responsible for. The motto for the neiborhood watch is"Be our eyse and ears and call 911 and report. GZ knew this and wanted to be the big hero of the neiborhood and continued until he confronted the person and again did not attempt to introduce himself as a member of the neiborhood watch, to which at that time, Trayvon would have told him he was on his way to his father's girlfriends house, where he was living at the time. Now,, I am only going to say this once, so please pay attention.

If I had just gone to the store, made my purchases and was returning to where I was living at the time and someone started to follow me. I would not just wait for the person to confront me either, but I would have found something to protect myself with, such as a club, stone,, anything I could get my hands on, as I would have had not idea, why the person was persuing me or what he was carrying. I would be in fear of my life not knowing the answer to those questions and would have acted accordingly. But, again, if GZ would have said: "I am with the neiborhood watch and did not know who you where" There would have not been a killing. If GZ would have just left his weapon in his truck, the worst that could have happened, is that one of them would have lost a fight. So, GZ should be held accountable for the shooting an unarmed person when he had no legal right to be where he was with the weapon he was carrying. And now he is going to pay with it by being found GUILTY AS CHARGED. END OF STORY!

Very smart of Mark O'Mara to file this. Even if it is denied it puts the judge on his best behavior regarding Zimmerman and it also lays the ground work for an appeal if Z is found guilty (which is not very likely).
Personally I don't thing the judge will be a big factor in this case. It will be the jury that is important...and the facts.

oh please, what's the matter zimmerman? need a new judge to lie to? you lied to a judge, plain and simple, lord only knows what else you're lying about.

i say, keep the judge, this guy's trying to manipulate everyone. he made his bed, now he has to lie in it, no pun intended. worked out pretty well though.

he's like a little kid asking for a do over. "oh, i goofed, can i start over please?" seriously, this is crap. he lied to a judge, let him lie in his bed.

He's trying to drag it out for as long as he can while looking for a judge that appears sympathetic to him. That will last until he lies to that judge and then here we go again.

Why would GZ continue to pursue someone who he thought was a great big thug with a "hammer or something" in his hand, even after being advised that the police were on their way and they did not need him to do that. The answer is that GZ knew he had a gun in his pocket, he was emboldened by that fact, I don't believe for a minute he would have confronted TM, or anybody else if he did not have a weapon on him. Neighborhood Watch is just that, watch and report, period, the fact that he pursued TM, greatly harms his self defense argument, he provoked a personal confrontation, and TM has every right to stand his ground as well. He has proved himself to be a liar to the court on numerous issues, and if it goes to a jury he will be convicted of at least manslaughter. If he is not convicted, then any wimp with a gun concealed in his pocket will have license to provoke someone to the point of being punched in the mouth, then shoot them and claim they were in fear of their life because they were getting the ass whipping they bargained for. Bottom-line GZ is the thug here, he pursued a person way past the point of neighborhood watch only because he knew he was backed up by a gun, big problem for him is he does not have the authority or a badge to go with that gun. He would not have confronted such "a big scary drugged up burglar gang banger" if he did not feel like such a big important man with his gun in his pocket. I hope to hell GZ winds up in prison married to the guy with the most cigarettes or maybe the most skittles. If not then anybody with a CC in Florida can provoke an attack, and then use that attack as a license to kill.

Mark O'Mara filed this so that it would make headlines, influence potential jurors that 'Maybe" Zimmerman is a victim here in some way. But so far, Zimmerman himself has been his own worst enemy. He lied about his net worth and income, He lied about having a second passport and in excess of $150,000 stashed. Any normal thinking person would believe that he was a flight risk under these circumstances and revoking his bail was the right thing to do, infact, mandated by law so that a new bail hearing could be set based upon the new information. This Judge just followed the law. It puts Zimmerman in a very precarious situation before a jury. If you lie once, or twice, regarding simple things like your assets accountability and passports, one would wonder what else you say is actually truth or a lie. He did this to himself and unfortunately I disagree that it is unlikely he will be found guilty. I think he is going to pay a very high price for his actions that night. He was told by 9-1-1 police communications to "back off" a unit was on the way and he did not, he continued to follow the youth and what-ever else happened, he shot the youth. Those are facts. No way you try to analyze it....Zimmerman's actions led to the death.

Wiseguy

it was not leagal to have that weapon in that capacity

not so wise a guy

Zimmerman was not charged with illegal possession of a weapon. Him carrying the weapon is simply not recommended for watch group.

Zimmerman, and his wife hid the amount of money they had, and the amount of money they said they had was part of the reason the initial bail was so low. Lying under oath is called purgery, and it's a serious crime. Stop arguing about the gun, because he had a permit to carry one. Forget about the neighberhood watch, becaquse he wasn't "on duty" when this incedent occured. He probably thought he was actually fighting crime when he was following Trayvon. Unfortunately he hadn't been trained for what he was attempting. He was overzealous, and his actions led to Trayvon's death. Was Trayvon a Saint? Nope, but he didn'[t deserve to die. He had his hoodie on because it was a cool night with drizzling rain. To the best of my knowledge, this type of motion is pretty common in criminal trials. But, the judge did nothing that should cause him to recuse himself. Put it this way; if you were in danger of going to prison for a long time, wouldn't you want your lawyer to do each and every little thing he could to protect you?

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Zimmerman caught lying while he was re enacting what happened. When he was telling cop his versions, when it came to where was Trayvon when he first saw him, Zimm couldn't remember and got flustered. Then he said he was yelling for help, Zimms words...."Trayvon put his hands over his nose and mouth...uh my nose and mouth."

Zimm was decribing the event from what had happened. Zimm actually had HIS hand over Trayvons mouth and nose trying to get him to stop yelling for help. Zimm panicked.

One of Zimms versions he said "then Trayvon sat up....."

1. If he was sitting on top of Zimm pounding his head down, why did he sit up again from a sitting position? He already was sitting up according to Zimm. Now Zimm has him sitting up....again...but he already was sitting up....?.Zimm lied.

2. So..actually, With Zimm sitting on top of Trayvon, putting his hands over Trayvons mouth and nose trying to shut Trayvon up from screaming for help like we heard his voice on background of phone call, THEN Trayvon sat up fighting Zimm off. That's when Zimm said now you are going to die and shot him.

Trayvon was not a killer, not a fighter making any threats ever to anyone else. Trayvon was screaming for his own life a second before.

Zimm carried the gun, a gun has one purpose...to kill. Zim lied through the whole re enactment.

Poor Zimmerman. He got caught lying to a judge and got in trouble for it - but, somehow, that's the judge's fault. Time to grow up and take responsibility for your own actions, Zimmerliar (like that's gonna happen).

Chrissie, I understood by what you meant was funny. I think the more Zimmerman opens his mouth the more he will get in trouble. To ask or a new judge is stupid because it will get him in the end and it seems like he wants a judge that will be favorable to him. I also think that he shoud shut up and let his lawyer do his job because the more he opens his mouth, the worst it will get for him.

If this man is found Innocent there will be riots

A person 6 feet tall who only weighs 160 pounds would be a bean stalk of a person. For some people in this thread to somehow suggest otherwise is a joke. If he weighs as much as you do, but happens to be taller, it means he is smaller than you in every way except for height...or for example...you might have short pudgy fingers while he might have longer, skinnier fingers. However, in a fight, a person who has a lower center of gravity and weighs more like yourself or Zimmerman, even it is only 20 pounds, will have a distinct advantage. A shorter person can generate more muscle strength in smaller movements for starters. A person like Trayvon...while he may have been athletic and fast...would have been a wimp in the weight room. He would have less muscle fiber stretched over a larger frame. That means less power for Martin. If you don't believe me, look up the MMA fighter Jeff Monson. He is about Zimmerman's height, yet he fought at heavyweight...which means he had to weigh more than 205 at weigh-ins and fought men up to 260 plus pounds. Corey Hill, on the other hand, fought at 155 and was over 6 ft easy. If you can stomach it, do a search on him breaking his leg(he tried to kick someone and his leg snapped like a twig during a fight).

Why did it break? He lacked the muscle mass and strength over his long frame, just like Martin would have...especially at 17. He might have been tall but if Zimmerman wouldn't have been a paranoid freak who did things his own so-called watch service frowned upon...well, not only would Martin be here today...but Zimmerman would see how ridiculous his story sounds. My mom---who is over 50 and had a heart attack about 8 months ago would do more damage to Zimmerman's head if she was bashing it into concrete. She is about 5 feet tall or less.

Yes...it should be settled in the courts and no, I was not there that night nor do I want to be a juror...but I know what happens to people when their heads are slammed hard on concrete. At best for them, they have a concussion and can't do diddly squat but they survive---they would not be allowed to refuse medical treatment because they wouldn't be coherent enough to do so...let alone walk into a police station under their own power. At worst, as Zimmerman wants his story to convey, they would be dead with a crushed skull and brains all over the sidewalk. The scratches he received do not equal brains all over the place. Again, I am all for it being decided in court instead of on the internet. For me, it is not about race nor do I really care what happens at this point. Martin will still be dead and Zimmerman will live regardless, unable to ever be normal again. No matter what he is charged with, he will still pay the price and will never be "free" again...but go out and slam your head on the sidewalk...tell me why you fear for your life then somehow you shoot someone supposedly on top of you who ends up a fair enough distance away from any concrete. Did you cat fight/roll one on top of the other to where the fight ended?

Ed McT-2404427..........a fair trial is the LAST thing Zimmerman wants ! It would be his worst nightmare.

For those of you who need a little refreshing, Zimmerman turned in a pastport that was out of date. In other words invalid. He retained his valid passport, which is what was originally requested. He not only lied about having money, he deliberately kept his valid passport. Think about this, you ask someone to give you their traveling papers, (ie valid passport) and he gives you his out of date passport, and then you find out he has a valid one. What would you think his intentions were, obviously to flee, when the time was right.

If the judge got mad, then we need a new one. Judges are supposed to be above all of this. Good move on Zimmerman's part. Even if not granted it will work to his favor.

Mark: I would think a judge, ANY judge, would be mad (or at least a little ticked off) when you have someone not be up front with their financial situation in order to get a reduced bail, or not surrender any and all passports that person may. If you lied to your parents when you were young, does that mean you should get a new set of parents who are more sympathetic to your lying because your current set of parents are mad?? Judges are human beings as well, and don't like being lied to or deceived. George and Shellie Zimmerman weren't up front with the judge, and what they sowed, so shall they reap.

Zimmerman was stalking Martin..I would've jumped him also..

well when your creeping around a gated community and have never been seen before yes i would of stalked your thieving ass too!

Trayvon had been in the neighborhood for two years as his father was living with his girlfriend there.

"well when your creeping around a gated community and have never been seen before"

You do know that black people are allowed to walk freely in public now, right?

This guy has to be Zimmerman cousin, complete empty head.

Hey,imenottellingyou! If that LOW LIFE MURDERER didn't have a gun,he NEVER WOULD have gone after Trevon! Your siding with that SCUMBAG because you DONT LIKE BLACKS!!

Hey, Im not tellin you.....What did he thieve? you mean the skittles and soda that he was seen paying for at the convenient store and exactly what did GZ catch him doing? Walking...... thats a crime now? Man your a rascist you reek of it ...I mean its dripping off you buddy. I'm so sick of the rascist overtones. I think GZ original calls sounded a bit rascist....but man the pro GZ camp commentators step rascism up one more notch.

lmao i was hoping i would get some great responces from that comment. i hate blacks? i dont think i hate blacks. no i deffinately dont hate blacks. but i do revel in the anger that people throw out over the internet. i go into these things read peoples comments and make the comments i think will make people mad just to get funny responces. in all honesty though i dont think he will spend much time in jail. i do believe he deserves to regardless if it was an accident or not people who kill people get prison for involuntary manslaughter all the time for 50 years or more. just depends on how florida's legal system handles it

I never seen that girl before, she seems suspicious. I must do my duty as community watch and see her every moves.

1 day later,

Damn, that guy keeps hanging around her, I have a gun, errr I mean a self-protection. He looks suspicious, I must see where he lives and what he is doing.

That's also can happened since that guy look suspicious, this guy look suspicious.

@ "im not telling you".. you say you don't hate black people.. but that you like to annoy random people on the internet anonymously. I'm not sure if that's better. Either way... your nuts right? and a coward. Hang out on Chicago's south side and talk trash randomly to real people.. Show them how brave and funny and clever you are ...that would be amusing to me. Not to you.. but to me. Please do that. I'm white by the way.

@Oath Keeper,

Yea, and Martin didn't have to come out swinging fists and jump on Zimmerman,a conversation between the two would have been enough to solve the problem.

I'm sorry, but what planet are you from? Because from where I'm from, if a man is following you around at night, and doesn't loudly announce his intentions prior to getting within what could be considered striking range, He means to do you harm then. And I would be well within my rights to start defending myself.

Look at it this way if the same scenario was put into play with the Hispanic man following a Caucasian boy/man, and then the Caucasian man also had a concealed carry and turned, shot, and killed the Hispanic man. You would probably say it was a perfect application of the stand your ground law, especially when the police reveal that the Hispanic man was carrying around a concealed firearm.

Chuck1968

Trayvon had been in the neighborhood for two years as his father was living with his girlfriend there.

Seriously what trayvon are you speaking of? Have you followed the story at all or read ANY of the statements given by the family/relatives? For example, if Tracy Martin (the father) was LIVING there then WHY would he need a hotel room? Why would the gf state that Tracy visited twice a month?

Note to all--- remember to introduce yourselves to every member of the local neighborhood watch when your in a community visiting/staying a few days. Sounds like most responders opinion to me.

alumette

This guy is starting to annoy me. I wish I were the judge. I would send him to jail for fifteen years. He killed an unarmed kid and he is trying to pretend it was self-defense. He did not have to kill him. He could have put a bullet in his leg if he was afraid for his life...yeah...sure he was. That man is a coward who never should have carried a gun. Fifteen years ? maybe more....he is not going to get away with that murder.

If he annoys you so much why do you keep reading articles about him? Wait for the trial maybe and then read about it? And how do you know it is not Trayvon Martin who jumped on George Zimmerman? Were you there? How do you know he's a coward? you know him personally? Surely if someone bashes your head on the ground you will do nothing to defend yourself ... or if you have a gun and decide to defend yourself then good luck with aiming at his leg while you are getting your head bashed ...

thfan

Zimmerman was stalking Martin..I would've jumped him also..

The way people twist the events ... Eventho after an investigation even the FBI came to the conclusion that Zimmerman is not a racist, they still think it was a "hate crime". Zimmerman was worried for his neighbors, they had many burglaries in the weeks before, and he was keeping an eye on Trayvon Martin because he suspected him of being "up to no good".

And if you had jumped him well you probably would be dead also.

Word of advice: if you think someone follows you, be smart, don't wait for him around the corner (i.e. considering the timeline, Trayvon Martin should have been home by the time George Zimmerman got done with his phone call with the dispatcher), just go home asap and call 911.

Oath Keeper 100, even if Martin did get into a fight with Zimmerman, so what? Martin could have been fighting for his life. He is likely the one who had the legitimate self-defense claim. First, he was followed, even after the police told Zimmerman to stop it. That was a civil rights violation right there; people have the right to walk freely, non-impeded. Martin was walking down the street with his bag of Skittles. Further, I believe that 99% of men would have confronted Zimmerman. So if Martin did so, his behavior was normal. Or Zimmerman may have said something to Martin. Second, Martin was followed by someone who was carrying a gun. We don't know if Martin knew that or not. It's likely that he didn't at first at least, but at some point he may have, which may have played int the brutality of the fight. (We have the right to bear arms, not the right to fire.)

The only way what happened is self-defense for Zimmerman and not Martin is if Martin actually attacked Zimmerman after Zimmerman walked away. People are trying to use the gash on the back of Zimmerman's head as proof that he was attacked from behind. However, no one has said that Martin had a weapon. One fist blow to the back of the head wouldn't have caused that gash. It's more likely that Zimmerman never walked away (he didn't when the police told him to) and just got his head bashed onto the ground, and it wasn't self-defense since he started the fight. He shot Martin because he was just losing the fight. Someone should have called the police. In any case, what should have been no more than a fistfight turned into a shooting because a fool was carrying a gun while following someone he was told by the police not to follow. He has no self-defense claim, and Zimmerman's behavior also negates a stand your ground claim. Further, he was losing a fight to and shot a child. That might also complicate matters.

can't help but wonder, would all the zimmerman apologists be defending him if the victim were white? somehow i think we would be hearing comments like "looks like a wet-back to me". being from tennessee/alabama, i have seen the ugly face of racism first hand; in our schools, in our churches, and in our workplace. it is getting a little harder to see, because, unlike when i was younger, we no longer shout our prejudices from the rooftops, we keep them well hidden in the closet. you know, kinda like the gays, retards, and perverts(sarcasm); afterall, we don't discriminate in america, we hate everybody that doesn't look, talk, dress or act like us. in defense of my volunteer statesmen, i have seen this same prejudice all over this great land of ours (i have worked/travelled 48 states), so it ain't just in the south! peace, love and happiness...yeah, right.

im not telling you...yeah, sure, a gun against a bag of skittles, that is a fair match ! I he had stayed in his car AS HE WAS DIRECTED TO DO, and did not play macho man with a gun to make up for his lack of courage, a kid would be alive and Zimmerman would still be a cop wannabee !

Brenda, i quess the pictures of zimmerman`s bloody head and nose clearly shows TM was defending himself...ah yea,, wink wink..sure whatever you say

George will be found guilty. Every time the blacks feel there has been an injustice towards them, they start a riot. When George is found guilty, the whites will not riot. That's just the way it is.

We keep a close eye out for strangers too in our neighborhood. It is a wise thing to do.
This was a case of two thugs who came into contact with each other. One is dead. There was no "child" involved.

Why would GZ continue to pursue someone who he thought was a great big thug with a "hammer or something" in his hand, even after being advised that the police were on their way and they did not need him to do that. The answer is that GZ knew he had a gun in his pocket, he was emboldened by that fact, I don't believe for a minute he would have confronted TM, or anybody else if he did not have a weapon on him. Neighborhood Watch is just that, watch and report, period, the fact that he pursued TM, greatly harms his self defense argument, he provoked a personal confrontation, and TM has every right to stand his ground as well. He has proved himself to be a liar to the court on numerous issues, and if it goes to a jury he will be convicted of at least manslaughter. If he is not convicted, then any wimp with a gun concealed in his pocket will have license to provoke someone to the point of being punched in the mouth, then shoot them and claim they were in fear of their life because they were getting the ass whipping they bargained for. Bottom-line GZ is the thug here, he pursued a person way past the point of neighborhood watch only because he knew he was backed up by a gun, big problem for him is he does not have the authority or a badge to go with that gun. He would not have confronted such "a big scary drugged up burglar gang banger" if he did not feel like such a big important man with his gun in his pocket. I hope to hell GZ winds up in prison married to the guy with the most cigarettes or maybe the most skittles. If not then anybody with a CC in Florida can provoke an attack, and then use that attack as a license to kill.

Thank you Sharon for answering my question. I did not want to pre-judge this, because I do not normally follow court cases.

I think the Zman was waiting to see how this was going to play out. From the start he thought he was going to get away with murder. The cops let him go at first. He was free for six weeks. He had an extra $150,000, his wife was hiding, he had an extra passport he was hiding. If things had gotten close he was going to split. Now with his other passport taken he might have to stay around for the trail. With his father a judge though, and having knowledge of the legal system, it wouldn't surprise me, that if the case started to really go against the Zman he would take a powder. I'm sure he has a lot more money now, and who knows how many more passports.

Sharon, this is in regard to your comment before this one: If what you say about GZ's medical and arrest histories is true -- and I'm sure it is -- I find it amazing that he was permitted to carry a concealed weapon. Something is terribly awry with the permitting process in FL.

Sharon,, "he lies and lies and lies, and also shows flagrant disregard for the rules",, and yet the idiots will try to put him back in office again in November. OH I am sorry, I was sure that you were talking about someone else. My bad....lol. By the way, they cannot convict as they cannot PROVE ANYTHING. Remember casey????

Sharon,, "he lies and lies and lies, and also shows flagrant disregard for the rules",, and yet the idiots will try to put him back in office again in November.

I'm guessing you're not voting, or voting 3rd Party, because both Parties' candidates are habitual lying sociopaths, clearly.

I quess sharon personally knows zimmerman and was there when it happened, maybe we should let her decide the case since she saw everything, right sharon? lol

Are any of you antizimmies aware that there probably wont even be a trial ....this judge has really messed it up for the prosecutor.......SYG he will go free...bet on it....between the judges statements and ANGELA COREYS one sided affidavit ...he will get off at the syg hearing

Olga, the SYG hearing is decided by the Judge. That's why GZ is trying to disqualify Lester

There is no SYG application here. Zimmerman pursued Martin, what ground would you be standing if you are pursuing someone? If anyone was standing their ground it was Martin. That the two encountered one another is fact. But that Martin attacked Zimmerman rather than defended himself is complete speculation based on Zimmerman's testimony alone. No other witness saw the encounter begin.

alumette

I really think this guy is a flight risk. He is likely right now planning his escape to Mexico because he is afraid of a trial that will prove him GUILTY ! He does not want to go to jail but hey....he killed a kid ! He should have thought of it when he pulled the trigger.

Just what would going to Mexico have to do with this trial? George was born and raised in the USA. His father is a born and raised citizen. His mother is from PERU. George is NOT facing the death penalty, just a long prison if convicted. OH wait your racism is showing because you think all Hispanics are from Mexico.

I thought Mexico was cited more because they sort of have some of their own problems there right now, and probably would not be too concerned (nor could they reall be pressured to be concerned when headless citizens are on the streets when people awake) about looking for this goon.

wow, i quess you were there and saw everything disgusted, please tell us all the details

Zimmerman pursued Martin, what ground would you be standing if you are pursuing someone?

If you had the legal authority (and no, the dispatcher was not a legal authority) and/or legitimate reasoning to pursue them.

I'm not saying that's the case here...I wasn't there.

But, for example, I see a burglary of my neighbors home...I can, in my State, legally pursue them. I can also place them under citizen's arrest (but it's not recommended, as they may kill you). If in the act of that pursuit they attack me, I can shoot to kill.

Now, can this be done if no crime was commited, and only suspicion is present?

Yes.

The difference is, neighborhood watch, private police, private security, and other recognized individuals (by the State, county, town, or neighborhood) can pursue via suspicion...not just any old citizen. Zim was neighborhood watch from what I understand. See Florida law to check for the laws concerning his actions.

All I know, Culheath, is that Z likely did something wrong...but w/o being there I can't be for sure. His injuries at the scene certainly have me leaning toward self defense. Why? The extent of those injuries. If I was carrying my permit allowed weapon and someone did half that to me, I'd of shot them (maybe not fatally though). In a way, it was Z waiting until he feared losing consciousness that led to the fatal shooting, instead of wounding the assailant to stop the attack.

Now, Z could of flat out murdered the kid, that is possible. It's also possible he was acting purely in self defense, as he says (he discontinued the pursuit, then Trayvon came back and attacked him). The third scenario is a bit of both, where Z didn't stop pursuing Trayvon (because he didn't have to legally, at least in my State - again, I'm not of sure of Florida law here), didn't impede Trayvon's movement physically, and didn't unlawfully detain Trayvon by physical force, but Trayvon felt threatened and assaulted the man (which is assault, despite the justified paranoia, in all 50 States). All three lead to Trayvon's being shot...the latter 2 scenario's would be legal self defense in my State.

In my State, you can shoot fatally anyone stealing your car. The first week the law was in effect (signed by a Democrat Governor, BTW), a 15 year old kid was stealing his 7th car (quite a career for that kid so far), and was shot and killed right through the windshiled after a verbal warning from the owner. Everyone decried the evil law, no one decried the bad kid who put himself in that scenario. The victim and shooter were both black. The case never went to court. Under our Castle law (our Stand Your Ground law here is "worse" by liberal standards - "better" by non-liberal standards - than Florida's law) he couldn't even be charged with a crime. Our law no longer leaves it up to the prosecutor's discretion. If there is no evidence of murder, only shooting someone trying to steal or physically attack a lawful occupant or their property (this includes bicycles and hotel guests even), then no charges may legally be filed.

In my State, judging by the evidence that has been made public THUSFAR (not that it all has come out), Z wouldn't have EVER been charged. There just isn't any compelling evidence of a murder here. But that's my State's laws, not Florida's. In their State, perhaps murder is defined slightly differently (as murder is defined by, and punished by, each State individually...and one State's definition and punishments for murder are not the same in other States).

You'll notice, murder. rape, theft, etc are not defined in the Constitution, nor are they a power, authority, or jurisdiction of the federal government in neither the Enumerated Powers in Article 1 Section 8, nor are they in the Amendments. That means an Amendment is required to make those laws nationally uniform (which I'd be against anyways).

If he refuses to remove himself he is opening a whole new can of worms for the prosecutor.... without speculating i would bet that you guys are already sentencing him....it doesnt work on emotions ...facts and the legal system you guys are way off...there is absolutely no reason for him to plea to anything..and i will bet that he does not

Look, Ogre ... Your insessent missives are wearing. Why don't you give yourself a break and call it a night.

Gz does not feel he did anything wrong after being attacked. That is the story that will play out. GZ will be found not guilty just on the facts that he was attacked and battered. Should not have happened but it did and so far all the evidence is with GZ and stand your ground law. Let us hope that justice prevails.

larry schwarz

Enough is enough,I hope The Judge refuses to remove himself.I think (if trayvon Martins parents were to sign off) they should offer him manslaughter.

Just what would be in it for George? He is facing 25 to life currently. If he pleads to manslaughter Corey would still have to insist on 25 to life because of 10-20-life mandatory sentencing. She would have to insist on that 10-20-life because the court of PUBLIC OPINION would cry unfair sentencing based on Marissa Alexander getting 20 years for simply putting a hole in the wall with a single shot... George took a life.

George has nothing to gain with a plea deal. Plea = 25 to life. guilty = 25 to life anything but guilty and he walks.

Coming in September.....TRAYVON, the Movie.
Starring Robert Duvall as the prosecutor, Tom Cruise and the defense attorney, Don Knotts as the police chief, Erik Estrada as Zimmerman and making his film acting debut.....Dennis Rodman as TRAYVON.

I think this judge is ok too but I understand Zimmerman's strategy. Of course he could end up with a worse judge but I don't see anyway he's convicted no matter who the judge is. Zimmerman was attacked. That much is clear.

Now that's spoken like a white supremacist! I'm white and I'm crying too that Zimmerman wasn't arrested earlier, so don't just think it's the black community that's outraged, you scumbag.

Personal attacks are not tolerated here. This is an open forum Randalla3. It is not tit for tat.

Looks like randalla might be a chocolate lover or mud shark of some sort lol

Now that's spoken like a white supremacist! I'm white and I'm crying too that Zimmerman wasn't arrested earlier

You're right, it isn't a race issue. I'm not white and don't understand what all the outcry was about to get him arrested...other than the left hates guns.

This case should not be about race but then Al and Jesse got involved. You know what that means.

Bravo. Let us just let the court decide this matter.
For those people who post hundreds of times remember you have enough time on your hands to earn an associate degree while you are collecting welfare checks.

Then stop reading about it and commenting on it....just don't click on the links...problem solved.

Thousands? You mean MILLIONS!!!

The earliest this case will be over is the end of 2013. The media would like to see it go on much longer.

Empirate, George hasn't been charged with perjuy (lying under oath). He had his initial bond revoked because the judge was misled as to GZ's ability to pay the bond. The judge found that GZ purposely misled the court (lying by omission). Shellie is charged with perjury.

wat

Scullymf - True, but that misleading was not caused by GZ, yet he is being punished for it. GZ has been upfront and honest in most respects. The judge has misled the court.

The judge IS the court...he can't mislead himself.

You did read about the coded communications between his wife and himself telling her how much money to move where. He is in trouble for suborning perjury because he let his wife lie and he knew she was lieing and did not tell the court. This is the reason Lawyers will never put someone their sure is guilty on the stand.

In order to get bond one must fill out an "application for bond" please look that up. The form that needs to be filled out asks tons of questions about your financial records and it is signed under the oath of truthfullness in what you report. Same as with your tax return...under oath and sbuject to perjury. George didn't have to get on the stand it was in his bond application same as being on the stand.

The judge IS the court...he can't mislead himself.

Although judges think this is true, it isn't. They aren't the court, they preside over the court...it's like saying Obama is the government, not just Presiding (hence "President") over it.

This is the problem with monopolies on law...they lead to people, especially judges, believing they are beyond reproach.

In my opinion we should have fully competitive law in a non-monopolized fashion...as coerced monopolies always lead to higher costs, lower quality services, and less accountability to the consumer (in this case, the citizens who demand dispute resolution services - the law).

Think about it...if the judge picks up his paycheck from the State, and the prosecutor represents the State, then the judge should logically recuse himself from every case.

Of course they don't recuse themselves due to that obvious and inherent conflict of interest, and that's why our justice system sucks.

Pro,

While I understand your points, you are wrong. The judge determines what happens in HIS or HER court and the judge even determines whether recusal of his/her position is warranted or not. Other determinations will only happen on appeal.

My point was simply that the judge cannot mislead the court, because for all intents and purposes he/she is the court and it is up to the judge to determine what is and what is not misleading.

Zimmerman's father was not a judge. He was a Court Magistrate. There is a difference, quite a significant difference in my mind. When you say he was a judge, when in fact he never was, I don't put much credence in the rest of your opinion. You are not the first one to make this mistake, but when one does, it is either because they don't know a basic fact when posting it or they are misleading and dishonest. either way their argument is not valid , in my humble opinion.

I give you this fromThe Office of the Virginia Magistrate, where Robert Zimmerman was a magistrate:

"While magistrates are not judges...."

This might give you more information:

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/zimmerman-dad-worked-as-magistrate. Here, George is ignorant of a fact: Magistrate "Judge" does not exist in Virginia, or he is being misleading and dishonest.

That is all sideshow trivia made famous by Democrats. The Liberal sensationalism act is wearing very thin on the public.

You're kidding right? Please show me one human being that doesn't hold prejudiced views. What Zimmerman is worried about is the prejudice that the media created against him. The media had him pegged as guilty months ago and even doctored tapes to make him look guilty. Trayvon was a thug and deserved what he got.

You damn Teabaggers. This has nothing to do with the President. Zimmerman's people are just trying to confuse the issue. Like one poster said the judicial community sticks together.

The fact is Zimmerman was told by the 911 operator not to pursue so what did he do just the opposite.

You damn Teabaggers. This has nothing to do with the President. Zimmerman's people are just trying to confuse the issue. Like one poster said the judicial community sticks together.

The fact is Zimmerman was told by the 911 operator not to pursue so what did he do just the opposite.

It would have nothing to do with the sociopath-in-chief (BTW, Romney is a sociopath too) if the sociopath-in-chief wouldn't have opened his mouth about an insignificant murder case (out of like 8,000 yearly) to say "if I had a son, he'd have looked like Trayvon" (I hope that quote is right, it's from memory).

I wonder why he didn't say that about the 16 yearo ld American citizen he assassinated without so much as a judicial review (as per the Constitution) via a drone strike...a week after murdering his father the same way, again without any judicial review (and he STILL refuse to submit any evidence for review for ANY American citizen, let alone foreignor, on the unConstitutional "kill list").

Hey Obama...did that 16 year old you murdered, that you CLAIM was a terrorist (like Bush claimed Iraq had WMDs), did he look like the son you never had too? I saw his picture, and pics of you as a kid...you guys look a lot alike, murderer.

And for the billionth time...the 911 operator had no legal authority. Zimmerman could legally ignore everything they said. PERIOD.

UNCZ

I think you are the one confused.What does the tea party have to do with anything? Did the judge make statements that seem prejudical ? Why do they keep showing Martins picture when he was 12? Was Zimmerman attacked for asking a stranger what he was doing in the neighborhood. Did Martin go for Zimmermans gun and say I'm going to kill you? I DON'T KNOW!!! We will all find out at the trial.

Let's hope we find out during the trial, rhaid. I heard Z's daddy was a judge. True? I wonder if he was biased against any defendents at any time and.........was HE a thug in a black robe?

Possible .. after all .. he has those family values people on his side ... you know the ones ...

Readon

what is he trying to do by trying to repress evidence and throw out a second judge

No attempt to suppress evidence. Only to keep a statement out of public viewing until the jury is seated. Probably get it excluded at trial if it has no bearing on the case. The current judge should have kept his opinion to himself. This is the second time he has made comments that are prejudicial to the defense. The first was right after the announcement that the Prosecution was going to seek to have bail revoked. He all but told the Prosecution to file perjury charges, thus acting not only as Judge but prosecution. The Judge is supposed to at least appear to be neutral so as to not influence the jury.

i mean the man hid money, his wife lied to the cops

when did she lie to police? I think both prosecution and defense were playing fast and loose on the money. Everyone KNEW there was money there, just not the amount. Both sides should have done an audit.

he has backers that raise tons of money for him to easily get out of even a 1,000,000 bond,

huh? He has an online website and the public at large is willing to donate to what they feel is a just cause (right or wrong). You do realize that they only needed to pay $100,000? Some bondsman is VERY happy with that new amount.