Is it just me, or does that sketch look like Charlie Sheen...?

Unless you know some other Charlie Sheen, who doesn't look anything like Charlie Sheen, then it's just you.

A lot of you say the reason they were shot is because they are lesbians but it is also quite possible that it could be because one girl appears to be black and the other is white so the motivation could be that they were in a bi-racial relationship. The simple fact is no one on here knows for sure. Maybe he was an aspiring nacrofiliac but decided after he shot them that it was gross. The simple fact, though, is no body really knows for sure until he is caught and tortured to tell the truth.

Who the frig cares WHY it happened? Let me find him first, save manpower. Either of those girls could have been MY grand daughters. Happy to save the American Public a few dimes. I don't really care WHAT his motivation was. I find him first, cops find bones.

Exactly.
Two young girls are dead: does it really matter why?
If they were my kids or grandkids the murderer had best hope the cops find him first.

@sotired: No no...Chris Hardwick from G4TV

Emilio Estevez, actually...for once....

The media has to play up the fact that they are lesbians. It wouldn't be as much in the news if they weren't.

I do hope they find the person who shot these young women. They deserve justice.

It looks a *little* like Charlie Sheen-- but only from his cameo role in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off." But he was clean shaven in that role, and his hair was infinitely more stylish, so it's an imperfect match at best.

Compare here.

The killer is probably mentally insane, maybe this wasn't even the first time that he murdered someone. The girls could just have been easy prey for him. Ted Bundy comes to mind.

sotired - That does look like a young Charlie Sheen.

I'm pretty sure ol' Charlie (or Emilio) has an alibi, partying his socks off and annoying neighbors, or tweeting obnoxious nonsense... I heard it takes him an hour to respond to a tweet. :D

David Tennant?

David Beckham

who the hell cares about their sexual likes; two young women were shot by some freaking nut case, drifter, criminal; lets just find him, and give him Texas justice.

Catch the shooter,try him, fry him.

Given that the shooter was a man, I don't know any normal men who would hate on pretty young lesbians. My money is on a mentally deranged person, or maybe he was jealous...

Two young girls are dead: does it really matter why?

Tina only one is dead the other was wounded that is why she is able to help with the sketch.

Who cares what their preferences are.

One girl is dead and another suffered terrible injuries. The person needs caught and either put to death or behind bars.

@Gtouch

Tina probably just got off the Trayvon-GZ board where making comments without reading the article beforehand is required. I still haven't been able to keep up with the ever-changing rules myself.

However, since your post made perfect sense while correcting someone's error, you will now have to be collapsed. Sorry. It has been written.

Oh great.......the ole collapse. I will promise to try to be good in the future. Spellchecker thanks for covering my back.

Teen lesbian couple found shot in Texas park
Friends reel from shooting of teen lesbian couple in Texas
Father of slain lesbian teen: 'Justice will be served'
Brother of lesbian teen shot in head: She's 'fighting'

These are the headlines embedded in the article. WTF?? Anybody else see what's wrong here? These are two teenage girls shot in the head by a psychopathic killer. Why is it necessary to have 'lesbian' in every gahddamn line?? Two young, clearly innocent kids yet Big Media, here represented by NBC, must titillate every twisted head that it can with a completely unrelated but 'salacious' and sexually oriented innuendo that it can dig out of its composter of American trash values. Who actually gives a flying **** what their private business is? If you do, go look in the mirror and be deeply ashamed of yourself. As for you editors here, is this what your life is about? Finding hooks for disgusting minds to bite on to sell your Corporate advertizing lies? Please remove 'lesbian' from any further references to this case! I'd go elsewhere but MSNBC is the least disgusting of the major news sources that I have visited, but here, not by much.

I suppose I should read other responses before I let my outrage out of its box. I'm glad to see that others before me had the same reaction of disgust to this obvious abuse that I did. Thank you all.

Texas justice is for young, white, straight men, hopefully someone will put a bullet in his head before "Texas justice" is "served".

You mean the way it was safe to assume that Gabby Giffords was shot by a right-winger and not some nutball who was obsessed over her? The way it was safe to assume that Reagan's shooting was politically motivated and not over some obsession with Jodie Foster?

Or maybe we should look at what the investigator said in the article where he said that there was no evidence the shooting was based on sexual orientation.

The police have said there is nothing conclusive. They don't even know who the shooter is!

There is nothing wrong with alerting a community, letting them know that someone is possibly gunning for them. Until is IS conclusive, it enables people to be more safe! People can walk around safer, more populous places, not walk around late at night or where it's dark and secluded, etc.

Why do you have a problem with that? jesus h nipple, what is wrong with you??

Maybe this guy wasn't gunning for this couple, maybe he had never seen them before..... until that night.

Two lovers at the park late at night.... what do you suppose they were doing?..... Maybe he witnessed the lesbian act and allowed his hatred to get the best of him. Unfortunately, he just happened to be carrying a gun....

or .... he is somone who knew of them, and waited for the right moment to express his hatred.

Another theory... what type of person walks the park late at night with a gun? A criminal..... His first thought was probably to rape them. But when he saw what they were, his ego forced him to kill them.

mont_bill, the fact you posted in a bigoted manner all but speaks volumes about you as a person. Aside from your nasty "sexual deviation" remark, you have a point, but you obviously are skewed to demonizing the girls and making them out to have done something wrong all because of who they are, not what you "think" they did. We don't know why one was murdered and the other almost killed as any circumstance could have led to that. At least you do expose what's wrong with RWNJs.

I am just curious. People are collapsing comments that offer valuable alternative motives. If people want to catch the killer, shouldn't we at least consider that there may have been another reason other than a hate crime ?

Why are people angry that people even ask these questions. There are dozens of other possibilities. Ignoring these possibilities shuts doors that may lead to closure on their murder, and a conviction.

woodshed, up to this point, there was only ONE collapsed comment. <ont.bill spoke volumes.

There is a possible hate crime here. Nothing more, nothing less. The story is being posted to perhaps find leads. Nothing more and nothing less. Perhaps this could be the beginning of a serial killers murderous crime spree.

Perhaps what happened WAS a drug deal gone bad. But perhaps it WAS a hate crime and these two girls only "crime" was being together maybe even kissing at the time. It gives no one the right to shoot them even if they don't agree with that.

Get a freakin life woodshed. What threat could any same sex couple be to you? Are you afraid you might harbor some same sex feelings for your boyfriend? Or girlfriend if you happen to be female? HHHMMMmmmm???

Red, I disagree with you on only one point: The story was posted to create media hype. Plain and simple.

Sorry to say it but, I distrust the media completely. If they were to report that my shoes were untied, I wouldn't even look down to ensure they were.

What occurred here though, I feel extremely close to. I have daughters and grand daughters. Whatever they choose to do with their lives, I support---fully.

woodshed ;; most of these people just want the shooter caught...lickety split...no need for a second reason...sheep are like that...one herd one reason...their brain's can't grasp another opinion...

It's very likely that this was a Son of Sam type killing and if it was a guy and a girl instead they would have shot.

This is not a story for "media hype." This is not a story for "attention." This is a disgusting crime committed against two young women, and the vile person responsbile for this crime needs to pay for his actions. WoodShed - you seem to be bothered by certain theories of this crime. I wonder if it has anything to do with your picture; boy, wouldn't that explain a lot and wrap up three cases with one nice, pretty bow? My only request to the writer of this article would have been contact info for the Rangers and/or FBI in Chorpus. It took quite a bit of manuevering to get to the right e-mail addresses so a possible suspect tip could be sent to the proper authorities overseeing this case. In the meantime, I truly thank the writer for featuring this story; you have caught the attention of many people in Texas this evening, and I will tell you that the sketch has raised a lot of eyebrows. It bears a striking resemblance to someone who is already under suspicion for similar crimes.

Notgivingup, While I agree with you that this was a disgusting crime committed against two young women, it has been a story of "Media Hype". Do you honestly think that if they weren't a lesbian couple there would so much press time to the case?

People are killed in this country every day, but we hear about very few of them. The fact that these women were lesbians is what makes the story "News" to the media.

I hope they find the scum that shot these two women.

People are collapsing comments that offer valuable alternative motives. If people want to catch the killer, shouldn't we at least consider that there may have been another reason other than a hate crime ?

You really think the Texas Rangers are checking Newsvine for help with their investigation?

@Elatt:

Wow! Has anyone ever told you, you should be a writer? Murder mysteries come to mind...

Whatever the motive was, it was a crime committed by a very dangerous, hate-filled human being. There is no reason why anyone should consider shooting two teenage girls, unless they were afraid for their own life...which I suspect would be totally absurd here.

Glad to see one of them surviving this ordeal, although her life will be forever changed in ways very few of us could ever imagine.

Why are so many of you jumping all over Mont. Bill? All he said reiterated what the investigator in the story said: that there is no evidence (at this time) that the killing was motivated by the girls' sexual orientation. He used the term "sexual deviation," but the term "deviation" is not a negative-- it merely denotes that something (in this case sexual orientation) "Departs from the norm." As homosexual tendencies are a minority within the human experience, the term is 100% accurate. Maybe it's just my education (Bachelor of Arts in English Literature), but I didn't read any negative into what he said. Perhaps I'm reading it too clinically, but I don't think Mont. Bill intended to be provocative with his comment.

Now, with that stated, I do not have any problem with the police and (by extension) the media from speculating that the girls' sexual orientation may have played a roll in the attack-- by making that information public, then the GLBT community in the area know to be more alert. I also appreciate that they include the investigator's comments that this is only one possibility, as I hope anyone in the area would be on heightened alert, since the motivation for this horrific crime has not been determined definitively.

Just because they were queer doesn't mean they were shot for being QUEER !!! NO EVIDENCE YET , remember TRAYVON !!!!!

Elatt

Maybe this guy wasn't gunning for this couple, maybe he had never seen them before..... until that night.

Two lovers at the park late at night.... what do you suppose they were doing?..... Maybe he witnessed the lesbian act and allowed his hatred to get the best of him. Unfortunately, he just happened to be carrying a gun....

or .... he is somone who knew of them, and waited for the right moment to express his hatred.

Another theory... what type of person walks the park late at night with a gun? A criminal..... His first thought was probably to rape them. But when he saw what they were, his ego forced him to kill them.

Hmm... At night... around 12am? If I was going out, I'd most likely have a 8" Knife in my pocket as well as a loaded Airsoft pistol with 2 clips. WHY? Knife for personal self defense. Airsoft pistol so if someone jumps out at me, they can get a taste of being shot feels like without the side-effects of death. Just a ton of pain from the c02 expelling the BB @ 400+ Feet per second. Would give me enough time to A) Plan escape B) to cause pain

Do I sound like a criminal to you??? I don't think it's quite fair to say hes a criminal because he has a gun and took a walk at night with it. Common thing for me but maybe it's due to where I live.

As for the topic, Pretty messed up for someone to casually stroll up and pop the two in the head. Hope they catch her killer as well.

So I guess we won't know until we actually catch the guy and check his background of course but I still think think he can be tortured to death for a year and and his dead body gets fed to boars for all I care.

WMG your homophobia is clear.

You don't get it, you never will

And I will not waste time trying to educate you.

"Never Try to teach a pig to sing, it is a waste of time and it annoys the pig"

FYI you are NOT normal, you are simply average

By your definition Republicans are deviates (Most people are not Republicans)

Men are deviants (Most people are not men)

Caucasions are deviants (MOst People are not white)

I know you won't get that, but others will.

The only thing that is a majority is Humans and Women

Frankly True,

"The only thing that is a majority is Humans and Women"

While I agree with the rest of your post, I feel I should point out that in the animal kingom Humans may actually be a minority.

By the way Frank, I know that you are highly unaware of this, but his point was (and he ACTUALLY said this) was sexual in nature. If you (generally speaking) are taking part in homosexual activities, you are taking part in an activity that represents a minority of sexual activity in the world. Now, as for your next comment, if homosexuality is a representation of how two men or two women just love each other and sex has nothing to do with it....then I must ask you......if I live with man my entire life, and we hang out, and we spend all our existence with each other ...BUT....we never have any kind of romantic or sexual interaction.....are we gay?

.....anybody...Bueller????

@Frankly True

WMG your homophobia is clear.

Tell that to my gay uncle, my lesbian cousin, and two past bisexual girlfriends. All I said was that the term "deviation" has a specific meaning, which Mont. Bill used accurately. Everything else, you inferred. And by the way, "normal" has a specific definition as well. The most instructive, to the current discussion:

1.
conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular.
2.
serving to establish a standard.

As the "common" type of sexual orientation is, by default, the majority within any given sample, the human "normal" sexual orientation would be straight. Any other sexual preference would be considered outside of that common type. This does not indicate that homosexuality is unnatural-- on the contrary, all leading scientific evidence suggests that it is natural, with many examples of homosexual behavior observed in the wild among a wide array of species-- but that doesn't mean it's normal, using the strictest definitions of the term. From a sociological standpoint, "normal" is derived from cultural consensus, which (as any survey of history will show) favors the view that heterosexuality is not only the biological "normal" but is also the cultural "normal" for the vast majority of societies both past and present.

But again, perhaps due to my education, I am once again applying literal definitions to terms that perhaps you feel more comfortable utilizing in a more colloquial fashion, with all of the misrepresentation, assumptions and communication break down one would expect.

It shouldn't, but how about probably EVERYTHING?

It is a very strong possibility that it is the main reason they were shot. Like it, or not, that makes it incredibly relevant to the story, and any journalist would be remiss if they did not mention that aspect.

@Robynn Heist Tarvins #2, your second sentence was a word-for-word quote of what I intended to post. +1.

You haven't ever heard people saying that "gays should be killed?"

Because I've read it on these very message boards.

These women were more than likely killed because they are gay and they were witnessed hanging out together in the park.

Are you just being willfully naive?

They weren't shot because they're Republicans.

Mathew Shepard. Brandon Teena. Larry King.

I agree so why does the liberal news media make such a fuss over it?

Some people were murdered. It was reported as news. It's a news report (which is what news reporting agencies do). It isn't a fuss.

a FUSS is what YOU are making.

So the question is -- why are YOU making such a fuss about a news report about a murder? Did it piss off your mom? Did it make yoru dog pee in the corner? Why are you whining about it so much?

tompca,

"Because I've read it on these very message boards."

You're right about that! That article just recently about the gay pride parade had more hate posts and open threats to gays than I have seen in a long time. There was one in particular, I can't remember his screen name now, who was threatening everyone to such an extent that I would not be surprised if it turned out that he is the shooter in this case.

absolutly nothing, its a sick media based ploy to get people to read it, there was no need for this article to say "lesbians" at all

I'm not a gay, and don't agree with the gay/lesbian lifestyle but still I wouldn't go killing couples just because I don't agree with that lifestyle but I think it is definitely a possibility that's what this shooter had in mind. I have a feeling he thought both girls were dead, and now that the one is gradually recovering from her wounds he's gonna start looking over his shoulder just waiting for authorities to pounce. I think he'll make a big mistake pretty quick like, and they'll be able to nab him unless he commits suicide to avoid arrest.

i will be shocked if it is conclusively shown this has nothing to do with their sexual orientation.

there are other real, possible motives. however, i just feel it's their gayness that's the issue.

until they catch the monster, attributing a motive is speculation.

What does their sexuality have to do with it??

Apparently everything or MSNBC wouldn't keep referring to them as the lesbian couple. This is what makes it newsworthy to the liberal media.

OK er2cc, two women shot in the head while sitting on a park bench. Shooter still at large. Make you feel safer that there is a murderer at large in your neighborhood?? Why do you even care if it was or wasn't a gay couple? They were two fellow humans, one shot to death, the other with a long road to recovery.

How their sexuality might be involved is only useful to the killer himself. If it was a sexually charged murder whoop dee @!$%#ing doo. all that matters is severing this mans head from his body. And the only reason msnbc is covering this as the lesbian story is because their not throwing anything that could be true out.

They refer to them as a lesbian couple because they are/were. One can also read about Asian people being arrested, White males or females having gone missing, and Black people winning awards.

If the story said that these were two young girls, found shot, then it might get young women in general terrified to go out at night. It might make people start wondering why no one is looking for a boyfriend of one of the girls, and so forth. It might mean that people wouldn't be paying attention to some jerk who starts bragging about how he set two dykes straight (and missing crucial information).

When a person's sexual orientation is relevant to the story--and, since there is no motive for this event other than that it was random (which the police have already ruled out) or has to do with their sexuality--then it is relevant. One mentions what is relevant.

Should one not mention that the man who was conducting Bible studies in his backyard was a preacher conducting Bible studies and prayer meetings? Should we just say "man arrested for holding public meetings in building that does not meet standards"? It's accurate, but does it really tell us anything useful about the situation?

How about "worker fired for refusing to wear badge reflecting the number of days the facility had gone without an accident" or "worker regains job after refusing to comply with company's customer service policies" or "hospital refuses to provide contraceptive care to workers"? Funny how when your own "irrelevant" markers are taken out, you would probably cry foul that your markers (mostly conservative, mostly "Christian") are removed.

The deal with conservative Christians these days is that they can't use the word "deviant" and "sexual pervert" for gays and lesbians, so they don't think that anyone should use any term at all (that is, if they can't use their "true" term, no one else can use one). It's a lot like people wanting to preserve racial disparities by refusing to allow anyone to note that there are racial disparities (kind of hard to note them when you can't note race at all).

It's a really transparent bit of sophistry. Please quit.

Their sexuality matters because it's a strong possible motive for the crime, given the history of hate crimes against gays. However, the police have been very careful to say they don't know whether it is or not, just that it might be.

I agree so why does the liberal news media make such a fuss over it?

Because the conservative media would try to either downplay the story or deny that sexual orientation was a factor, just as some of them try to downplay racism to cover the fact they're closet racists.

HEL-LO! ALL the media in America is based on one thing....profit. All those less-than-informed folks who believe the 'liberal media' hype from the rightwingnuts is forgetting who OWNS the networks. Disney and GE, for two, and those are hardly liberal companies. FOX makes no bones about being biased. It's owned by that Aussie Rupert so that's a given. The motivation for 'news' is money and what works for the Limbaughs and O'Reilly works here, too. Sensationalism. Would anybody read an article if it just said 'two girls shot in park'? No. Happens all the time in our gun-crazy society. Even a bad drug deal these days is no big thing. If you don't take every news story suspiciously these days you're either not too bright or obsessed with the politicization of society.

When this dirtbag is finally caught we'll know the motivation. First things first.

As we continue to see, this is what happens in this yahoo states where people are allowed to walk around with guns. I live amongst them. I am not from here, but I am stuck here until I retire.

The get off on walking around with their guns (now my moron state of Oklahoma is going to allow them to walk around with them showing beginning November 1st). Their guns are a BIG part of who they believe they are. They feel powerful and they judge all day long. Their gun never leaves their mind. Then, before you know it, they are so comfortable with their sweet gun love, they are killing someone for any reason or no reason.

My neighbor collects AK47s, writes about them and posts threatening things about his guns and what he "wants" to do with his guns and could if he wanted to. He is a police dispatcher's son and I live in a small yahoo town in Oklahoma.

These guns laws have gotten ridiculous. These gun lunatics are going to kill innocent people as their false perceptions continue to take over. THAT is not what the Second Amendment is about. Even if one person on the edge is carrying around a gun and gets an angry thought to use it, it is one murder too many. We are now hearing about too many of these types of "hair trigger" crimes. No one needs an AK-47 collection. That is not a self protective gun. That is an offensive attack gun. The worst part is that in the Southern Bible Belt, they all think they are going to float up in the sky before their Apocolypic fairy tale occurs anyway. Why do they need an arsenal and the right to carry guns around in holsters? Backwards people. This Texas dude is one of those nobodies whose gun makes him feel like somebody and the fact that this couple may have been displaying gay affection may have enraged him.

TLee: These guns laws have gotten ridiculous. These gun lunatics are going to kill innocent people as their false perceptions continue to take over. THAT is not what the Second Amendment is about. Even if one person on the edge is carrying around a gun and gets an angry thought to use it, it is one murder too many. We are now hearing about too many of these types of "hair trigger" crimes. No one needs an AK-47 collection. That is not a self protective gun. That is an offensive attack gun. The worst part is that in the Southern Bible Belt, they all think they are going to float up in the sky before their Apocolypic fairy tale occurs anyway. Why do they need an arsenal and the right to carry guns around in holsters? Backwards people. This Texas dude is one of those nobodies whose gun makes him feel like somebody and the fact that this couple may have been displaying gay affection may have enraged him.

This is typical reactionary liberal mindset.

There are many in society today who's principles have descended into a 'me first' rut. The erosion of principles can also be tied to 'progressive' policies by liberals. The 'me first' people will do anything to anyone that they see fit. This is why the girls would have been better off armed. At least they would have a chance to fight back, and not 'no chance at all'.

Being armed is not 'backwards', it is smart, but holds a tremendous responsibility, which includes being smart enough not to hang out in the dark in a park late at night. I know people think they should be able to do anything they want, anytime they want because they are 'free' to do so, but this is a bit irresponsible of the girls to be out late at night in public, the 'me first' people find it much easier to do their thing in the dark.

Well that probably wouldn't be a hate crime, but yes it would likely be covered.

They are a normal teen couple. Just because they are Lesbian does not make them abnormal.

They would if it were probably the reason they were shot.

Common Man-3493893: I wonder if a normal

OH... the "normal" thing again...

Gee, CM... hate much? And people have to ask if their sexuality had anything to do with this?? Some people can't help but spread their slurs and hatred for gays all over this message board. But, it's no surprise this happened in the South.

1. They were a normal couple. 2. Don't you think that the fact that they were gay may have had something to do with the crime?

Son Of Sam anyone?

@cm

suggesting that they are/were an abnormal couple aids and abets those who DO shoot people because they are gay.

MSNBC...NO they wouldn't....

common man, they would have reported a male and female were shot. The story would also have said they were at the time boyfriend girlfriend. It could however, still be a hate crime if the shooters motivation was prooved to be he/she hated heterosexuals and that was the primary motivation for the shootings.

DevilsSon. No one knows if their lifestyle had anything to do with the Murder. That's just speculation and Media hype. People are murdered every day. As sad as that is, it happens.

I think the point some are making is that thousands of people (of all persuasions) are murdered each year....about 45 per day. They DO NOT cover all of them. Even though, the families of those other murder victims are equally affected. But, the news doesn't care about that. I am 10,000 percent certain that MSN ( and ALL other media outlets) pick and choose the ones that suit their 'need' and then they add headlines that are certain garner attention. To help the cause?.....Hardly......to sell 'newspapers'?...ABSOLUTELY!

People in parks at night are killed for on of four reasons

Robbery

Rape

Perceived slight

Gay Bashing

YTou won't find many other reasons someone gets killed by someone they don't know in a park.

There was no rape or Robbery here

SO it is one of the last two or both of the last two

Or perhaps just someone goofy enough to want to kill. Or a serial killer, Or a nut case on drugs. Or a drunk... there are many reasons why this nut shot these two girls... There are not just four reasons.

...more like Emilio Estevez

He looks like the nerdist.

There's every reason to report that they were lesbians. Somewhere, someone knows a guy who looks something like the sketch who hates gay people and has said so. The fact that the victims are gay will spark something in their mind and they'll report their suspicions to the police. And they'll find the guy and make an arrest. I hope they do it soon. Two young lives destroyed by hatred and a couple of bullets.

I've never heard Seth Green say he hated gays...

Murder may be murder but the motivation behind it is not. It's good to let a community of people know that there may be someone out there currently targeting them.

What a moron.

Gay people are not a lifestyle choice. Nor are they a sex act, unnatural, deviants, perverts, abominations or any of the other hateful names that bigots dehumanize them with. They are our bothers & sisters, sons & daughters, family & friends. As such they deserve the respect & dignity that EVERY human deserves.

tymsyr,

what you said makes absolutely no sense. motivation for murder comes in a horrifying variety. the victim's sexual orientation is only one of them, but is a very real motivation.

i think you're confused and mean to say that we cannot know that it is motivated by sexual orientation at this time.

Tym, if it weren't for the lesbian angle, this story wouldn't still be in the news. As sad as it, young people are killed in this country every day. Many times for no reason other than because they were there.

To state that homo's are not deviant is a joke. It is exactly what they are. Their acts are anything but natural. Go ahead and keep trying to defend yourself. There is no justification for gay's. They are emotional ill people that has lead to their confusion. I don't think that it should have been brought up here because it will not promote sympathy for gay's. There is no known motive for this as of yet.

Their acts are anything but natural.

And yet, such acts are also practiced by millions of heterosexuals, too, as well as four-legged animals.

Go ahead and keep trying to defend yourself. There is no justification for gay's.

Gays do not need to defend or justify themselves. However, YOU might want to justify your irrational hatred and bigotry.

They are emotional ill people that has lead to their confusion.

The medical and scientific communities do not think homosexuals are emotionally ill -- but there is certainly proof that people like YOU are.

Animals engage in sexual acts out of instinct. If a female cow, mounts another female cow, it is not done to "titty f" the other cow, and get her jollies off. It is because they smell the "heat" of the other animal, and instinctively try to mount. Homosexuality in humans is entirely emotional ill, sexually psychotic. You queers cannot even look yourselves in the mirror and like what you see subconsciously, so you look for society to put its stamp of approval on your reprobate activity you cannot keep in the bedroom. You are insane, twisted, and evil!! Of course, no unrepentant demoniac homo that has infiltrated his filth philosophy into the scientific world is going to do anything but promote and validate his/her perversion. Sell crazy somewhere else ErinNJ, I am not buying here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Homosexuality in humans is entirely emotional ill, sexually psychotic.

Not according to the medical and scientific communities -- and their word on this trumps your pathetic, insecure rantings. Furthermore, homophobia such as you and P cartier display IS considered a mental illness, as well as psychotic.

Sell crazy somewhere else ErinNJ, I am not buying here!

Looks like you've already got the giant, economy-size "crazy".

BTW, I'm a straight, married woman who supports equality.

Do you NOT read this space's updates, virtually every Monday, about Chicago's week-end death toll??

Wow Terry. How can you not see all the news about murders in this News venue and all the others??

Are you stoned???

Terry must have found out about all those other murders through his connections with police departments throughout the country.

I mean , he does make it clear the media didn't tell him about them.

Man, oh man, oh man! That is your a$$ talking bub, because your mouth surely knows better. Are they less important because they were lesbians?

They were sisters, daughters, neices, they were loved and were murdered because of WHO they loved.feel sorry for you. If you can't get that, then I really feel sorry for you. NOT!

murder of a mugging victim is not national news, it happens entirely too often. neither is murder of a convenience store clerk.

when someone robs a convenience store and on the way out shoot's the clerk and says "this is because i hate your sorry (ethnic slur) ass." that will make national news.

this murder's circumstances suggest this added element: it makes national news.

terry, why do you have difficulty understanding that?

Hank...how did you know that I was an Illinois police officer for 30 years? I know about murder & crime statistics from many different sources, INCLUDING seminars that I attended over the years on gang violence.....presented by Chicago Police detectives, Illinois State Police agents, & the FBI.

To everyone else...I completely understand why this is national news. That IS my point. It's only national news BECAUSE they were lesbians.

How about this country focusing on solving a REAL problem in this country. The FBI stats show that about 12% of all homicides in the USA are gang related. My guess is that random murders of lesbians probably make up about .0012%.

When someone gets attacked by a shark...it's front page news. Why? Because its sensational! The chances of being attacked by a shark are actually about 1 in 11.5 million. So who really needs to know about the shark attack? And WHO really needs to know that these are lesbians? What difference does it make?Mothermayhem...that's my point-why not refer to them (in the LOCAL media) where they were murdered as "two young women?" Why do we need to know they were lesbians? That's their business. The media feels a need to tell us that because it appears sensational & it may be a hate crime and THAT sells. So what if it is a hate crime? Do we have a significant problem with hate crime homicides in this country compared to all of the other homicides commited? The answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT! So what's the big deal about this homicide? They were lesbians...SO WHAT? What's the difference between them and any two other lovers? It's a shame that two innocent young girls were shot & 1 is dead. The deceased girl will be one of about 16,000-17,000 people who are murdered in the US during the 365 days that comprise the year 2012.

Terry: Brilliant!! Perfectly stated!

Terry, in case you aren't actually following the news on this vine, recent articles include a man who was attacked by a shark, a man who was attacked by abused chimpanzees in a South African shelter, Chicago gang killings, including a little girl named Heaven, the possibility of life on other planets, the astronomical configurations of planets in the sky. MSNBC reports all kinds of news. The fact that these young women were gay MAY be a factor in their death, and that is what makes it newsworthy. The fact that the Son of Sam shot heterosexual couples also made that story newsworthy. The death of over ten thousand sea turtles due to a mess up is newsworthy. Please don't make assumptions on what I might want to read, or second guess me on my opinions about those stories. Thanks.

Well said, Dan

Funny you would say that Dan since there was no violence at the ultra right wing tea party rallies...but at the ultra liberal OWS protests there were rapes and a murder....and assault....looks like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

there sure seems to be more than enough child rape, molestation and abuse in their churches. maybe the right-wingers were just too tired after all that to commit any more atrocities against their own...

Annunaki Coming!!!!!

A New World Order!!!

someone needs to take their meds...

Dan, relax God does not hate anyone, OK - John 3:16. Second, who said this shooter is a Christian? Third I bet you would not have such big balls telling this to a Muslim what do you think happens to Gay people in Islamic countries? Christians are not the only people opposed to a gay lifestyle, Christians are just easy targets because they do not fight back. Run your little commentary on Al Jezera see what that gets you

As a Christian myself, I respectfully ask, where have you been? I see the most nauseating filth and hatred spewed by Christians on these forums. I went to school with a boy who was abused in the most hideous ways possible--he just barely survived--simply because he was gay and slightly effeminate and his father was one of these hateful Christians. I hear and read about violence, acts of cruelty and even death threatened, unashamedly, by people who call themselves Christians. So what if people who call themselves Muslims threaten, or do, the same or worse? We, as Christians, should be better than that. We should be beacons of Christ's love in the world, not festering pits of judgment and hate.

Celtic, you have idealistic goals, but look at the people around you...such as your friend's father.

You are an idiot. No one said that God hates fags. God actually loves them but God does hate sin. No one even knows why they were killed but since you brought it up, I believe the fact that they are gay was brought up by the liberal media to promote sympathy for gay's. Beating or murdering anyone is wrong and a sin in most cases, and like homosexuality it is a sin. So what your saying is one gets to pick and choose what sins one can elect. Sorry it does not work that way.

Too bad for bigots like you, P cartier, that the bible does not make our laws, so what might be considered "sinful" is not necessarily wrong.

Well,I wasn't dying of thirst,I just needed a blood transfusion to stay alive,I did not and do not care about the skin color or ANYTHING else about the donors that saved my life.Only thing I would say to them is thank you,but that seems little enough,as the transfusions that saved me were in 1994,and by law the donors are unknown to me.

You probably never saw the report because you are not capable of spelling Arkansas correctly in a search engine!

See? You should have never dropped out of the thrid grade just to work for your uncle's septic tank business...

Bernitch...what the hell are you talking about..or do you even know?

C'mon, beachbum. Read my post. Look for the nugget I left you!

(sigh)

it figures...

I live right down the road from where this happened .....please give me the link to the MSNBS article that talks about the non lesbian girl killed right down the road a week after the first two....or does your first grade education prevent you from googling it.

What about your first grade education? You know, the one where you never learned how to spell Arkansas correctly?

holy cow -- talk about someone who can't even comprehend...

just amazing.

Ah, the South...

Akansas has nothing to do with it....if you had any brains you would know that there is a place in Texas called Aransas pass....right down the road from Portland Texas...where the 2 girls were killed...

I would abso-@!$%#ing-lutely love it if you people did some research before attacking and degrading people on here. It's ARANSAS, not Arkansas. Look it up, geniuses. It's not even 20 minutes from Portland.

Bernich- "Ah the South"
I've been to Aransas Pass numerous times and simply love that area on the Texas coast. Your comments Bernich are proof that stupidity is found wherever humans reside.

thebeachbum66,

This was on a local news blog. Your right it never got the attention of the National Media.

ARANSAS PASS (July 2, 2012)--Lawrence A. Mireles, 18, was in the San Patricio County Jail Monday facing charges in the death of a 16-year-old Texas gulf coast girl who had been missing for several days.

But at least these murders got Media Attention.

Regardless of their sexual preference.

Two people were shot by some NUTBAG.

Politics aside, the shooter needs to be arrested.

Let the Courts sort out the Why's. More important to get this scum off the streets.

NOW.

Liitle, Beachbums point was that these women got the national attention BECAUSE of their sexual preference.

I agree with him. In a week or two when they find the shooter, and it's determined that he didn't know they were lesbians, It will be "But he COULD have". Either that or the prosecution will try to prove that he hated lesbians anyway,,even if he didn't know these two.

I do hope they find the shooter quickly. Help to bring some closure to the case, to the families involved. They deserve that.

...and suddenly Bernitch says nothing. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrnnnn!!

And for FourtwentyLove.....imagine that, a pothead who doesn't pay attention (remarkable).

Daniel I think we are on the same page.

I want crimes reported regardless of sex, sexual preference, ethnicity, etc.

I think the Media controls what is and is not released based on the, Controversy it creates.

I've been leaving statements about the Medias lack of coverage on News that they don't think will attract attention and controversy.

My point is News needs to be reported based on relevancy. I believe Murder is relevant.

The Media bases the News they report on how much Money can be made by them.

The Murder spree in Chicago has gotten very little coverage compared to murders in other parts of the Nation.

We need to demand that the Media quit playing us as fools and report News on these two girls as well as the one murdered in the same part of Texas earlier than the Deaths of these two Girls.

We potheads do pay attention to some things. It's the colors and the bunnies you non potheats can't see.

The police have said it's inconclusive. They aren't sure.

Until then, it is prudent to let a community know that someone may be out there trying to kill them, just so they can be more aware, walk around at more safe times and at safer locations, etc.

There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, in many jurisdictions, that's protocol.

Just what media are you talking about? I don't see anything in this article saying it's a hate crime.

Just what is it you want from the media, to not mention they're gay? Does it offend you somehow, or do you want them to post their grades and a personality analysis of the victims? You read 'lesbian' and assume hate crime, then blame the media.

Maybe you just like to whine, I reckon.

So true.

One day, people screech on The Vine about "not enough information is printed here about the victims or the incident".

Next day, it's "I don't like all the information being printed about the victims and this incident!"

jesus h nipple. get real!!

Joe, the point is that until they find the shooter, they simply won't know. Until that time the media will "Hype" up the Lesbian angle to keep the ratings up.

Ok Bernitch... then we need to also let the brunette community know, the teenage community know, the women with long hair community know, the people that work at Taco Bell community, etc. Why only warn the gay/lesbian community? The investigators have stated... repeatedly... there was no evidence this was an anti-gay hate crime. Unfortunately, if these two women were straight and shot in LA or New York or Chicago, we never would have heard about them. It is sad, but there it is. Just like the Trevon Martin tragedy... if that idiot Zimmerman had not been tagged as a 'white hispanic', a term never used in the media previously, and Trevon's killer had been another black man, we never would have heard a word about it. Not. One. Word. The media always has an agenda.

^^^^^^THIS GUY (or GIRL) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Fu**ing GEWNIUS!!!

Stevo are you really just now noticing that the media has an agenda? If so please have your wife slap you across the face because this has been going on since seperate political parties were formed. There should be a limit on how stupid people are.

Right-wingers like to ignore the fact that they actually perpetuate this kind of hatred toward gays and lesbians -- did you see how many low-life right-wing POSs were cheering and applauding that minister's hate-speech? Does this surprise anyone that this happened in the South?

Wake up righties. Don't pretend that everyone else is ignorant of your hatred. You go overboard to make it obvious at every opportunity. Nobody is buyin what you're sellin!

The hate is on both sides bird brain. It's not just the right-wingers. The lefties hate rights just as much. Me personally I think you're all full of sh!t!

Exactly, that's the problem with this country. Instead of coming together we find ways to keep us apart. I might not agree with being gay or lesbian, but I do not care; do what ever makes you happy as long as it does not hurt anyone or against the law. Why do people think they have the right to make people live or think the same way that they do?

I can only surmise you're projecting your own uncomfortableness with the victims being gay. Since I see absolutely nothing in this article that even remotely resembles a crusade.

Maybe from now on the news should just say 'female A & B were shot in a park". If they give their names, it will be a crusade for whatever ethnicity you assume their names mean. No photos either, that could give away ethnicity, age, attractiveness and might be a crusade too. Matter of fact,they shouldnt' even mention gender, that might be another liberal crusade.

There's some things we just don't want to know, especially if it makes us a little uncomfortable.

Msnbc is loaded with liberals. I can only surmise...

Then stop whining and go back to Fox. That way you can grab a handful of Velveeta and a bag of Pork Rinds, sit in front of your tube wearing your Bud-Light-soaked wife-beater t-shirt, and go back to letting O'Reilly tell you how think and who you should hate.

There! Problem Solved!

Robert,,if they weren't lesbians this wouldn't be in the news. THAT is the reason why. People are killed in this country every day, but unless it's considered a potential "Hate crime" it rarely hits the news for more than a day or so.

As an Independent, I'm tired of all the whining and complaining by the conservatives. And Janine is right; for years the media was controlled by conservatives and had neglected and downplayed stories on minority groups, as if their stories didn't matter. But now that the media is starting to acknowledge them the conservatives want to cry foul and accuse the media of playing the race/gender/sexual orientation card. Maybe if the media did the right thing the first time it wouldn't have come down to this.

Where did Christ promote homosexuality?

Even the Three Stooges know that the jesus-myth said NOTHING about homosexuality. NOTHING. Nothing whatsoever to condemn it... Why can't another Stooge figure that out?

If it was so important to the jesus-myth, why didn't he condemn it? He didn't!!

The jesus-myth prohibited divorce several times, but low-life right-wing hypocrites ignore the words of the jesus-myth whenever their own lives would become inconvenient, so why do you pretend to care what he is alleged to have said at all?

Perversion is still perversion

Criminy! Still talking about your parents! (sigh) You really need to leave your parents out of this conversation!

@METATRON,

You really are an ignorant mother@!$%#er.

lol

lol

Hey, METAPHONY: What the hell are you smoking? Is (trite) "reprobate" your favorite word? In MHO,you need SERIOUS psychiatric help (probably too late!) Annunaki THIS!..... don't get help! hopefully you will implode!

Dorthy,

That is what is so Sad.

We should not be drawn to anything, but the fact that Two People were shot. One Died the other may never fully recover physically.

Who cares if their Female, Male, Gay, Straight, Republican, Democrat. Religious or not.

They're HUMAN BEINGS!!!

That being said. Where is MSNBC on reporting the slaughter of people in Chicago?

They're HUMAN BEINGS!!!

The Media is running this Nation, not the Politicians.

Who cares?

If you actually study out the Bible it is the account and the contact of an Extra Terrestrial civilization that chose to manifest themselves to my Israelite ancestors. And YES: Sodom and Gomorrah were both destroyed by nuclear weapons. The US was not the first to use these weapons, because they existed in the age that spawned this age. But...oh... thats right... you heathens know better about the Bible and than the Bible... so it is ok for a man to wallow in the feces of the lower intestines of another man with his penis. Wholly unnatural affection!! I cannot reason with an imbecile. Perhaps you can send the "Hate-Crime Thought Police" to my house to kill me and take plunder. Damn God hates faggots, as surely as Azazyel's possessee's hate God. It will not be the first death threat I have gotten from reprobates such as yourself, and probably not the last. PIGS!!!!!!

Meta I never remember there being computers for god to type out the bible so idiots who can't think for themselves believe something completely inconceivable. Face it. Your bible was written in a lost language when we found it so we took (drunk) guesses and what it said and guess what. You come up with a completely useless ass story that starts a religion out of pure fantasy. And for what it's worth Meta your use of big fancy words is awe inspiring considering how stupid you are. (If you people need to think if I was giving a compliment or insulting him I thoroughly think you should go back to third grade.)