That stuff is sitting in front of someone's home, on their property. They have a right to have it removed.

I see lots of these types of memorials for those losing their lives along the road. Eventually they are taken down. Life goes on. We shouldn't mourn one life more than another lost senselessly. I think a permanent memorial is not warranted since it didn't happen for all the others that lost their lives to violence or accidents. A death is a death.

@ Tired...Umm, it looks like this is a gated community (and I do use that term loosely; even an "income restricted" apartment complex can be "gated"). So the sidewalk and grassy area may even be the property of the city, not some apartment dweller. And judging by the looks of the grassy area, it doesn't look like anyone really takes care of it, not even an apartment dweller. I'm betting this memorial is on city property, and the city can remove anything they like from their property.

Hey Tired- it is actually on a public right of way.

It doesn't matter if Zimerman is found not guilty, a memorial is to remember the dead not the living.

This is not on somebodies property, it is on town, county, or state!

Let us have a collection for a major memorial rock , to stick it up the nose of those people forever!--They wanted to kill anyone black, so they can have a "clean" neighbourhood, like so many places in Florida--with no children as well.

I would hope we can collect as much as was collected for GZ.

And they do not have the right to have "it" removed, But the town may remove it if they dare!--But elections are up!!!! If they did/do have the "right", I want 5 telephone poles pulled today please, and 4 road signs, that I have to trim around all the time!

Enough already! Cops and innocent bystanders are killed almost daily in our country. People are killed by drunk drivers and innocent children are abducted and killed all too often. Let this play out and if GZ is found guilty then he will be punished. That is it.

I don't mean to sound heartless, but I see "memorials" like this almost every time I'm out on the road. It makes me wonder, if the living actually cared about the people these memorials are for so much, wouldn't it make more sense to put the memorial at the cemetery where the body actually rests? Even if the "victims"/deceased were "known", a few months to a few years down the road the events would likely be mostly, if not completely forgotten to the general public. Put the memorials where they belong and clean up the litter along the roadways so they don't cause another accidental death by a rubber-necker. No offense to the thin skinned intended. Just a thought.

Creek Dog, I concur, there is a lot of important evidence that they are not letting out.

The media has lied twice about this case. Due to wanting a riot to break out. But the problem will be, no one will agree with the jury due to not accepting this evidence.

So, you will have one saying he was railroaded, if convicted, and the others start a riot, cause they will not accept the evidence, it’s a shame. God Bless both familys.

A small memorial is fine, we see them all around the country when people die in accidents. It's when it get political that we have a problem. Honor Him, if you may, but leave out things like "Justice for Trayvon, etc.

Just because someone died does not mean they should get a public memorial. Let the family put one up on their property. And, lets face it, Trayvon was not some innocent honor roll kid. He was going to do some jail time eventually (he was involved with drugs), maybe he would have straightened out, we don't know. But for what he accomplished up until his death, does not warrant a public memorial.

I just don't understand how these people seem to ignore the black on black blood bath going on in Chicago on a daily basis. Instead they choose to focus on the Martin case, primarily because he was killed by a white man, who by the way has'nt even been convicted of the crime. I guess it's comes down to one's priorities.

I have to wonder why NBC just keeps stirring the pot about this. People are shot in some neighborhoods every day and the trail has yet to happen. It could be the jury will find the shooter was justified. So stop with the continual race baiting and give it a rest. If a memorial was erected for every innocent child hit by accident by gunfire in some neighborhoods there would be thousands so what makes this particular incident so special, except the media push and carry on. They can put a small white cross up there like many do for deaths on the highway and NBC can shut up about the whole thing. Find some real relavent to our lives news to concentrate on. Perhaps the fact that economy is trashed, homes won't sell, there are no jobs yet Obama is passing out work permits to illegals, he is trying to buy votes by gutting welfare to work which has been a great success and all to buy votes. Stop putting up stories like this to distract and aggrevate the Treyvon community into voting for Obama.

I family and friends want to put a memorial at his gravesite by all means let them do so. We don't KNOW what is justice yet, but innocent people are killed every day. Trayvon might not even be the poster child for innocence. Why not a 6 year old caught in cross fire?

My daughter was killed in a MVA and a nice cross was made by the roadside and the county had it down in a couple of days. We would have liked to have had it, but we weren't even informed.

Personally I'm sick of seeing all these roadside memorials. Who, whether it be the DOT or a private property owner, wants his property to be known as a place where somebody died? These memorials are eyesores, and a danger to traffic due to rubbernecking, although I think they are mostly ignored. If the family wants a memorial, let them put it on their own property, or at the cemetery. These memorials don't belong on roadsides, and there should be a law against them.

Whatever side of the debate you are on, if you live in this neighborhood, this is only going to cause more tension, and that is a fact. Also, shouting at someone that they are a racist, yet they are not, could have the opposite effect and you could wind up making racists out of individuals who may not otherwise have been. These are very strong emotions we are talking about.

any memorial should be at the cemetary, thats what is desined for,with that said i still haven't heard anything about trayvons right to stand his ground, if in fact he did hit zimmerman, afterall he was unarmed and being pursued by an armed man that had been told by police to stop following the kid,

Fils D' Artemus (Post 1.15)

You are correct, but let me add to that.

Whether it is or is not "still" the property owner's land, the gov. entity was given an EASEMENT, which is given for SPECIFIC purposes only (walk way, utilities, etc). If the person or entity who has the easement, MISUSES it, or uses it for purposes other than that for which it was granted, the property owner can get the easement extinguished, or can get an injunction against the misuse.

I hate all roadside memorials. The permanant memorial to the deceased is that individual's grave. I get it that in the immediate aftermath the public in this case chose to memorialize the site of the tradgedy. HOWEVER this is in a residential neighborhood. I know I for one would not want to look at this mess every single day. And if it's public then the public has as much right to remove the trash as the 'mourners' have to place it. Roadside memorials should be required by law to be taken down no more than one month after being placed. If you want to leave someone flowers, teddy bears, etc. go to the cemetary.

This entire story is blown out of perportion......This would be a Non Story had Zimmerman been bIack

If Zimmerman were bIack he would be found innocent beause he would be in the same situation...

Travon got attitude because he saw Zimmerman following....and trying to go gansta on him.....

Why would Zimmerman attack when he already called police and knew they were arriving any minute...

A memorial? Seriously, a memorial? For what?? Let me guess, to make Travon a poster boy for what Blacks feel was a racially motivated murder. How would that memorialize all the Black on White racially motivated killing, which is exponentially higher than White on Black killing?

If there was a roadside memorial for every person killed, they would spill out onto sidewalks and roadways. And then there would be competition for who had the biggest memorial. It would get out of hand.

Zimmerman is Half Peruvian. Not that it matters.

Roadside memorials are NEVER appropriate. They are an eyesore and a traffic hazard. Let alone, people have a lot of nerve placing them on another person's private property. (Some of the time, many are on interstates, where it is state property.) If the family/friends want to memorialize the deceased, they need to do it in a constructive, appropriate fashion. Like setting up a scholarship fund, or donating to a charity the deceased supported. Piles of flowers, stuffed toys and crosses benefit no one. The worst offenders are teens who drive under the influence. Memorializing them as though they did nothing wrong sets a bad example to other teens. They DID do something wrong and they paid the price. That is the real lesson learned. The lesson is not learned when the memorials are set out. In a way, this appears to be true in this case as well, though, only time will tell.

Creek Dog-What if GZ turns out to be innocent?

GASP! You aren't supposed to be able to say that! What will Jesse and Al think?

I heard Obama say that if he had a memorial, that it would look like this...

Also, shouting at someone that they are a racist, yet they are not, could have the opposite effect and you could wind up making racists out of individuals who may not otherwise have been

Spellchecker your correct and it also has the effect in some cases of making the term ineffective and useless if someone is calling everyone a racist then people will just tune it out.

I heard Obama say that if he had a memorial, that it would look like this...

Now that's funny.

I hold Trayvon's High School responsible....If they hadn't given Trayvon a Major 10 Day Suspension for no apparent reason, Trayvon wouldn't have been in Sanford that night, he would have been in his Miami hood....the results may have been the same that night, who knows ??....

Put the Memorial at his High School...make it a Multi-Media Memorial with all his Facebook and Twitter pics and Tweets....Yeah, that's the ticket....

A what? Trayvon memorial? Are you all gone bunkers? What is next?

Lorraine? Did you do any research on Martin? Seems you know everything anbout Zimmerman.

Did you see the social pages where Martin talks about MMA Street fighting and kicking AZZ? The street drug LEAN ? Smoking weed? Google LEAN; street drug Mix Skittles, canned watermelon iced tea and liquid Codiene found in prescription cough medicine. He is seen asking friend if he has access.

Now imagine Zimmerman had no gun and his head was bashed in by Martin. Hmm

Lori, how kind you are to remind me that Yes, The Nazi's cleaned my gene pool. Thats why the surviors moved here. Go back where you came from.

Has anybody died in the city of Sandford since Trayvon met his fate? If so, where is all of the hoopla about that memorial?

There was a comment earlier that the people didn't want the memorial moved to a different location because martin wasn't killed in a different location. Well he wasn't killed out at the curb either. Those memorials for various war heroes weren't killed in the town squares; Lincoln wasn't killed in his memorial; Washington didn't die in the obelisk; etc.

This isn't about memorializing the loss of a life; it is about reminding the community of racial discord. What a way to use the event as "a teachable moment".

Can we put up a Memorial in the vacant lot where a 17 yr.old black child murdered 2 British tourists in Sarasota, Fl.....in cold blood , pleading for their lives....After the murders, he pulled up their shirts and pulled down their pants to show all the world his handiwork ???

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2012/3/28/closing_arguments_ex.html

If the family wants a memorial so badly and they were only visiting the area, then why not have a memorial in their backyard where they could see it every day? Why? I will tell you why/why not: because they are getting the exposure they desperately crave once the media whores jumped in front of the camera screaming "it was because he was black" . Now because it is a gate community, those that dont want a memorial shoved in their faces will be called racists and it will continue on. I am sure there will be an afterschool special and maybe a movie or two.

Sad how convenience and society are at a low of the low and how if some dont get their way they "take their ball and go home" or at least threaten to..... hmmmmm I also noticed that some of the more educated comments were collapsed and yet they make great points, are not racist and yet still get collapsed. That shows much of the ignorance out there...sad to say but so very true.

Check your stats and look in your area where you live and look at how young the criminals are and what crimes they are doing and then think about how much you want to idolize the young punks out there.... and if you still idolize them then you reap what you sow!

'No other country on earth treats its fellow citizens as horribly as you all do each other' Well, Syria and Sudan come immediately to mind. China, Cambodia, Cuba and Soviet Union have had their moments. Although admittedly not perfect, we, on the other hand, have spent $ 15T over the last 50 years to make sure our citizens lack for nothing.

I say wait until the trial is over. Halos have been removed before.

Roadside memorials for dead people are a cultural practice in societies which were invaded by Spain and the people were turned into Catholics.
If you want to see that roadside memorial crap, move to Mexico.

Nic Rellek-- "...the facts show is that GZ and TM had a fight. They don't show who the aggressor was. Any witness statements that say Martin was on top of Zimmerman just proves that Zimmerman was LOSING a fight..thats not an indication that Martin attacked first."

Actually, it is. Had GZ attacked first then TM would have had injuries. He didn't. GZ had all the injuries.

Also, it isn't normal for someone who is armed to physically attack someone else. If that turns out to be the prosecution's theory then they've got a pretty weak case. Instead, the armed person typically uses his weapon in order to intimidate, or else he fires it to injure or kill. But the presence of powder burns indicate that the 2 were in close proximity when the shot was fired, & the angle of entry indicates that TM was on top of GZ at the time. Had TM rushed a firearm then the angle of entry would have been entirely different.

All of the evidence we possess substantiates GZ's account of the shooting, which is that he was justified. In fact, the evidence shows that GZ exercized restraint in not firing sooner than he did.

A memorial to someone who was shot & killed in the act of attacking someone else? I don't think so.

@ Mike in Delray - I can assure you, if he got a 10 day suspension, he deserved it. Schools have spent lots of time and money covering their own butts because of Parents who think their child can do no wrong and tries to take the school on when "Johnny gets in trouble and it's not his fault." The rules are clear and so are the punishments. What is wrong isthe parents not coming down on this child when he started getting in trouble. It was their responsibility to rein him in.

People are killed every day. Do we have permanent memorials for them?! What a joke. This case is racially motivated, and had the person who had shot him been black, this would be a non-story! Had Trayvon been in school, instead of on a suspension, this wouldn't have happened - at least not on that day.

No public memorial no matter what the outcome of the trial! There is nothing to publicly memorialize.

@ Lori

Americans...you really are a nasty bunch....then you wonder why the world hates you.

First - I really don't think the world hates us - that's why we have an illegal immigration problem. And second - I really don't think we care about who hates us. If you hate us - fine - stay in your own country.

Nic:

It's rather easy to find yourself losing a fight that you didn't know about.

Lorrainne:

Do you write fiction for a living? Or is it just a hobby? The closest police communications came to telling him anything was to say "we don't need you to do that." That is only a "cover your behind" statement so that the department isn't liable for anything.

Blusician:

You seem to be a little confused. It was the young man who was looking for trouble. And he found someone he could sneak-attack and beat up handily.

I have a question. Is the memorial being cared for. I've seen many memorials at roadsides that were put up and forgotten. If no one is upkeeping this then it's not fair to the people who live there to have dead flowers, tattered pictures, dirty stuffed animals, etc sitting in front of their homes. I agree that if a permanent memorial is put up it should be on the Martin's property.

Mo

The fact that Martin was a 17 yr old who bolstered about MMA and kicking Azz and infact had traces of Marijuana in his system at the time of his death does not justify his death. If it did....it would be open season on all stupid kids (and adults) who think they are Karate kid and part of the bad boys club. A 17 yr olds mentality is what his postings were, just like most teenage boys.

And I can imagine Zimmerman with no gun....Martin would be alive today. And imagine if Zimmerman had followed the instructions of the 9-1-1 communications Supervisor telling him to backoff following the youth in questions. And imagine Zimmerman staying his distance, staying in his car when he told police dispath that he was going to follow the youth and they told his "No, you don't need to do that", not confronting the youth and doing what HE as a grown Adult was told to do. Now that he only would have to follow those specific instructions by police for 2 minutes. His call ended with Communications at 7:15pm and the first police unit was 10-97 (arrived on scene) at 7:17pm. And also Mo...imagine that Zimmerman had not called the police 5 prevous times to report suspicious activity in the Twin Lakes Community and that he was not making statements (recorded) on his 9-1-1 call about "these people always get away" or referring to youths as "fxxxing punks".

So in answer to your question Mo, Imagine if Zimmerman had no gun......police responded in 2 minutes of his call, identified the youth, found that he was not committing a crime and posed no "reasonable fear of death" to George Zimmerman, told Zimmerman everything was OK and the kid was just coming back from buying a candy bar and walking back to his Dad's girlfriends house in the community and for Mr. Zimmerman to return home to his rented unit and thanks for calling in a 6th call of suspicious activity in the community.

willowbrook...(#1.66)..."@ Mike in Delray - I can assure you, if he got a 10 day suspension, he deserved it"

I should have..."If they hadn't given Trayvon a Major 10 Day Suspension for no apparent reason,//sarc//"

Sorry if I confused anyone...

Correction:

That should read "he found someone he thought he could sneak-attack..."

MoonWolf99 said:

The only people who seem to care about this memorial are the kkk who seem to be flooding the board this morning, and who don't consider a young, black boy's life worth remembering.

Well there's a moronic statement. People die everyday - innocent people, good people. Where's your concern for them? Or like a lot of other people - is this a race thing for you? Blacks kill blacks everyday - check out the south side of Chicago. Are you fighting for them too? Of course not. Because there isn't a big racial issue going on with them.

And nobody, including you, continues to remember all the people that die everyday. But if Trayvon is one you want to remember, you are free to set up a memorial on or in your property.

Pul-eaze. The ONLY reason Team Trayvon and his racist, ignorant fan club want to put up this stupid thing on the street is because the Zimmerman family will have to drive by and see it every day. Too bad the parents handed their son a broken home and too much time on his hands that he then used to repeatedly get himself into trouble and finally DOA. Teen males do a lot of dumb stuff and make a lot of bad decisions. Attacking for fun and beating up a little guy with a gun ranks up there on the list. Put up a friggin' shrine in his bedroom in Miami.

Lorrainne:

"The fact that Martin was a 17 yr old who bolstered about MMA and kicking Azz and infact had traces of Marijuana in his system at the time of his death does not justify his death."

That's true. It is the fact that he was actively smashing Zimmerman's head against the pavement that justifies the shooting. The way he was bragging on his blog only shows that he was the sort of person to be smashing someone's head in.

"And I can imagine Zimmerman with no gun....Martin would be alive today."

And Zimmerman would be dead. The nonsense about "following instructions" that weren't actually there doesn't really even deserve a response.

Lori-227098:

Oh shut up! And stay in the crappy-a** country you live in. And no, we don't give a crap what you or your country thinks! Why would we waste our time - most other countries on the face of the earth are third-world useless and just takers anyway. America NEVER comes crying to other countries.

And yes, you read the responses - everyone does!

Ok! Look, I am a liberal but social leanings are ALWAYS 'trumped' by FACTS and TRUTH, be they liberal or conservative. The facts are still not clear in this particular and tragic incident and the truth is still far from crystal clear. Until we have a rendering, by a court of law and the respective jury in that court, it would be inappropriate to erect a permanent monument to Trayvon Martin anywhere. I can appreciate. understand and support a spontaneous and temporary monument in the place where a young life was taken. However, the streets, roads and highways and their corresponding right-of-ways and/or easements, are owned and operated by the city, state, or federal authorities and they can, and do, allow or disallow any object or sign on their property. They have their various reasons for either action but I would believe that one reason to not allow a sign or monument is the general safety of the public. If George Zimmerman is found guilty in a court of law then, and only then, his supporters have solid reason to petition for a permanent memorial in an appropriate place. Until that time comes let's all agree NOT to "put the cart before the horse"!

Too bad, all Blaacck on Blaacck crime is not treated with such respect. Perhaps the violence would no longer be acceptable in the Blaacck community.

Zimmerman's grandfather was blaacck, his mother hispanic, his white father adopted him, and his biological father is unknown.

I never understood the 'racial' aspect of the importance of this case over the thousands of blaacck deaths per year attributed to the violence of blaacck on blaacck crime.

Perhaps someone can enlighten me.

littlechanges

Do you even realize you just called a 17 year old kids grieving family a racist ignorant fan club? Regardless of Martin's home life, where he lived, or what he received a suspension for at school, he was someones Son. He has a mother and a father who loved him and he was shot to death walking back from buying a candy bar while visiting (with his father) someone who lived in the Twin Lakes community by someone else who rented a home there.

Byron:

Common sense isn't very common. And often it doesn't make sense. Let me put it to you this way. If some thug attacks you and tries to kill you (like Martin was trying to do to Zimmerman) but you somehow fend him off, killing him in the process (or perhaps the police show up (but don't hold your breath) and stop the attack by killing him) does that make the original attacker the "victim" in your mind? That is what would follow from "the victim is the guy who is dead."

Michael... Zimmerman should have backed down when the Police dispatcher told him "We don't need you to do that." This isn't about black or white. This is about American people murdering each other.

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein

"Do you even realize you just called a [phrase intended to evoke an emotional response removed] grieving family a racist ignorant fan club?"

You do realize that they are not mutually exclusive, do you not. Even the worst of racists mourn their dead. Even, or especially, when those deaths stemmed from carrying out their racism.

Lorraine,

If you wanna see what would have happened if Zimmerman hadn't had a gun, take a look at this article:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/16/12768242-3-teens-charged-in-beating-death-of-disabled-man-posted-on-facebook#comments

A 16-year old beat an unarmed man to death with nothing but his bare hands, while his two moron friends videotaped it.

Regarding your post #1.85:

1. Zimmerman never stated he confronted Trayvon. After getting out of the car and briefly chasing Trayvon on foot, Zimmerman loses sight of him and stops chasing.

2. There were no witnesses to the actual fight who said it was Trayvon yelling. There were two women who said they "heard a young voice" but it was far from positively identified. The only person to witness the fight originally said it was Zimmerman yelling, then changed his story to say he couldn't be sure who was yelling but assumed it was Zimmerman because Zimmerman was on the ground and it wouldn't make sense for the person on top to be yelling for help.

3. There are physical injuries corroborating Zimmerman's story that he was punched and his head slammed into the ground. There is no disputing that.

4. If a larger man with a gun confronted me, I wouldn't punch him in the face. That's a death wish.

I live in Belleville, IL, right next to E. St. Louis, IL (fun) and right across the river from St. Louis. We recently had an incident where white officers shot and killed a white man. There was no uproar from our citizens, just the police doing their job. The guy wasn't exactly a terrible man, just high on drugs. You watch our news, and it's nothing but black on black murders in St. Louis and E. St. Louis. Oh and yes, we've had our fair share of Al and Jesse showing up because a black community went for days without electricity. Funny thing, the following year, I sat in my house during winter for 9 days without power. Where were they then, I guess not enough black people without power. ESL is literally 10 blocks down the hill.

Also, the two highschools in Belleville have a dress code. A few of my favorite are pants must be worn at the waist and with a belt, polo shirts allowed in certain colors only, no mini skirts, and hoodies are not to be worn during school. My children's grade school is one that has adopted the same policy also. St. Clair Square Mal in Fairview Heights does not allow you to wear your hoody also. Race is not an issue. Security made my son take it off. He was pissed because he had is on because he was cold.

I hail from the glorious state of Illinois. How lucky am I. You get to hear about murders in Missouri and Illinois all the time; most of the them are black on black.

So, around here you don't see the memorials. Basically, I think they're pointless. As others have said, you memorialize their gravesite. Take the time to visit that person there.

As for the media goes, the City of Belleville once made 60 minutes about 17 years ago for being a racist community. However, as the media goes, it was a one-sided story. Of all the white business owners that left ESL, none of them were aired. The black community wanted the city for themselves. My mom had rocks thrown at her as a little girl. My grandma was that last one to leave because she had bricks thrown through her window. My dad lost his business with Miller because he wouldn't move to Belleville. Ended up with distributing Old Style and was the first business owner to higher a black employee. It was once a beautiful city.

But now, we are considered racist and it kills me. It couldn't be further from the truth. It just makes me angry how the media can change the outlook of something. Or how they can write a story like this when I'm sure there is something so much more important going on.

I know I went a little off track, but Lori really pissed me off. Just wondering what country she lives in and if it's one we give aide to.

Scubasteve.....but that is not what happened in this situation. There are all kinds of terrible accounts of people being assaulted by youth. You are confusing the "risk" for being a potential victim of a crime with actually being a victim of a crime. As a society, we can't look at everyone we see as our potential enemy or potential attacker because of what they look like or what they are wearing. Just becasue a man walks down my street in front of my home that I have never seen before, and he is wearing a hoodie and I don't know his intent, does not make be a victim nor does it pose a reasonable fear of death to me. If I'm that concerned about the 'activity" of a stranger, I can always call the police. That is what Zimmerman did, and he should have followed their advice of "no, we don't need you to do that" stay in his car and not personally confront the youth.

And Yes...Zimmerman stated to police that he did confront the youth. He did get out of his car because Martin was walking up a walkway where he could no longer follow him in his car. Martin did not run up to Zimmerman's car, it was Zimmerman who perpitrated the confrontation that led to a 17 yr old death. And the States Attorney filed charges which led to his arrest based upon his own admission of this fact and the witness statements of the confrontation. The Sanford police chief ultimately resigned because of how the case was initially handled because Zimmerman should have been arrested that night.

I think we should all write letters to the Vatican and have them name Trayvon as a saint.

BlueDevilBasher

Roadside memorials for dead people are a cultural practice in societies which were invaded by Spain and the people were turned into Catholics.
If you want to see that roadside memorial crap, move to Mexico.

Chicago is lousy with this stuff. THANKS, OBAMA!

Lorrainne:

"With all due respect Publivs, Martin did not attack Zimmerman,"

Zimmerman's injuries say otherwise.

"This is not about Martin attacking Zimmerman"

Oh, it very much is. I realize that the lynch mob wants everyone to overlook that particular fact. But, if Martin had not attacked Zimmerman, he would be alive today.

"Zimmerman stated in deposition that HE confronted Trevon Martin"

Well, that's a complete lie. Many people have made a claim that Zimmerman confronted Martin. But Zimmerman, himself, was not one of them.

"Scubasteve.....but that is not what happened in this situation."

That's true. No one was videotaping it. And Zimmerman was able to defend himself. Otherwise, it was the same situation. Martin wasn't just a potential attacker. He was actively attacking Zimmerman. And the images of the injuries confirm it.

Scubasteve:

"If a larger man with a gun confronted me, I wouldn't punch him in the face. That's a death wish."

One has to realize that it was a sneak attack and Martin probably didn't know Zimmerman had a gun.

@ScubaSteve - Checked out the article, total disgust. I'm so sick of it.

I hope you all realize that Pres. Obama hails from Illinois. By the way, this state is totally in debt all due to our healthcare system for lower income. Our state is totally corrupt. How many former governors do we have in jail.

Also, since Zimmerman is constantly referred to as half white/half hispanic, I think it only fair refer to Obama as half white/half African American. That's something that has bothered me all along.

Trayvon didn't do anything to EARN a memorial. If Trayvon's friends and parents want a Memorial, that's why we have the Cemetary . Martin's parents have made enough money from their son's death to more than pay for a Memorial. I object to Public Tax Payer Supported property being used and the total cost be on the Martin,s own property and meet local zoning laws. They could at the very least USE A PICTURE OF TRAYVON THAT IS MORE ACCURATE THAN THE PICTURE IN THIS ARTICLE BECAUSE THE TRAYVON THAT DIED IS NOT THE TRAYVON IN THIS PICTURE. Trayvon was NOT the sweet innocent little boy he is portrayed. And by the way I am not a Racist just because I disagree with having a Memorial for Trayvon.

Pvblivs,

So the guy driving around the neighborhood looking for things HE deems suspcious is the one "just minding his own business" and the kid walking back from the store was "looking for trouble"?

Srsly? Put the crcack pipe down.

Lorraine,

I don't know where to begin.

1. Zimmerman's broken nose is evidence he was attacked. Trayvon didn't have a mark on him (other than the gunshot wound and a scrape on his knuckle). Using your logic of, "we can't assume everyone is out to get us" Trayvon had no right to attack Zimmerman because he thought Zimmerman was threatening.

2. Zimmerman DID NOT state that he confronted Trayvon. He did say he got out of the car to chase Trayvon, but (as is clear on the audiotape) Zimmerman did not catch Trayvon. Zimmerman even says he doesn't know where Trayvon is. Zimmerman is on the phone for about 1:40 seconds after losing sight of Trayvon so I don't know how you can think this is when the confrontation happened.

3. The original DA decided not to prosecute this case because there wasn't enough evidence. The special DA that was brought in decided to prosecute this case because of the media outcry.

Why do I carry a gun ???.....Because a Cop is too heavy...

I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil,

I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the
world.

I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government,

I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry,

I carry a gun so that I don’t have to spend the rest of my life hating myself
for failing to be prepared.

I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone,

I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a
sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m a cowboy,

I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a
cowboy.

I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man,

I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones
they love.

I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate,

I carry a gun because unarmed and facing armed thug(s), I am
inadequate.

I don’t carry a gun because I love it,

I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to
me.

Police protection is an oxymoron.

Free citizens must protect themselves.

Police do not protect you from crime, That's why they carry chalk in the trunk, to draw outlines around the dead.

They usually just investigate the crime
after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.

Personally, I carry a gun
because I’m too young to die and too disabled to defend myself from an attack any other way.....

I fail to see why this kid should be memorialized like he was some dam hero. Those that fought and died for our country everyday are not getting this much attention. Really people. Where the hell are your priorities?

Where are the memorials to:

Matthew Mote?

Amber Sutton?

Jennifer Lewis?

Jetseta Gage?

Blusician:

"Put the crcack pipe down."

I don't have one. Not everyone mimics your behaviour.

Zimmerman was not "driving around the neighborhood." He was driving home (from a store, as I recall.) On the way, he happened to see someone he thought looked suspicious; and (as there had been multiple burglaries in the neighborhood) he called the police and started following this person at a distance so that he could identify this person to the police. Surprisingly, Martin didn't want any police attention. Zimmerman might not have been the type of trouble Martin was looking for. But he was looking for trouble. Given the background, he was probably scoping out the houses so he could plan his next target. But I will concede that that's speculation.

The sidewalk and easement are owned by the city not the property owner that is why you can not leave your car in your driveway past the line dividing the sidewalk and your property. The sidewalk and easement are considered a right of way easement but you as the owner are expected to maintain the area.

Public memorials are for those who have done something for the greater good of all. Someone who sacrificed their life, or lived their life serving their fellow man. If Trayvon's family wants to make a personal memorial at the home Trayvon lived, that's understandable, but he certainly doesn't warrant a public memorial. How many police lost their lives at the hands of kids like Trayvon...where's their memorials? Firefighters and military have also sacrificed their lives unselfishly and heroically. Where are their memorials?? What about doctors and scientists who have found cures to diseases, and work tirelessly to find more cures. Where are their memorials? Frankly it makes me sick to think that anyone, outside of Trayvon's immediate family, wants to portray and memorialize him as some hero.

Facts About Easements and Rights-of-Way
Easement - An easement is the right to use another person's land for a stated purpose. It can involve a general or specific portion of the property.
Right-of-Way - A right-of-way is a type of easement that gives someone the right to travel across property owned by another person.

•An easement may give a utility company the right to erect power lines or bury a gas pipeline across a tract of land.

•A housing development might possess an easement that allows it to build and maintain a water storage facility.

•Both easements above would probably be included in a deed description and remain in place if the land is sold.
How does an easement affect the person who grants it?
The landowner who grants an easement usually cannot build structures within an easement area or use fencing that would hinder access. Other activities might also be prohibited.

However it does not mean that anyone and everyone can do whatever the hell they like on that land. It is still owned by the property owner and you can't just highjack it whenever you like.

I hate these stupid things so much if I had a dog I would encourage him to lift his leg on each and every one when walking him.

Lori, funny thing, I've been to several foreign countries and have yet to meet these people who hate me. BTW why do so many people want to become an American. What country are you from?

Little New Haven, Connecticut (pop: 120-130,000) had 34 murders last year, all but one victim was a black male and most were quite young.

They held a rally in the city after the Trayvon shooting.

A 17 year old male was shot in the chest last night in that city. Investigating police have stated that victim has been "uncooperative" in their investigation.

Someone shoots you and you refuse to try to help the police arrest the person that did. I'm guessing there will be another body falling very soon.

I agree with the majority on this issue . . . Get that crap off my lawn !!!

You want to build a Memorial go to DC and build it on the White House Lawn not mine.

Martin is DEAD so my home owners insurance rates fell a notch or two . . .

If anyone is to blame it is his parents [if you can call them that] who didn't have the sense to discipline their little rodent.

I raise my middle finger in memory . . . :))

There should be a memorial. Let's erect one for each senseless death in Chicago each weekend too. 3 deaths this week, 200+ this year, I realize it's a lot of money, but hey, so what? Now, let's get a list of volunteers to have one on their front lawn...

"Surprisingly, Martin didn't want any police attention."

Really? And you know this how?

If Martin was buried (not cremated), then put the memorial on his grave. If that doesn't work, then put it in front of his mother's house, no one should complain about that. No, it doesn't have to go where he died, Washington DC is full of memorials (Lincoln, Tomb of the Unkown Soldier) which are not located at the site of the memorialized persons's death. Is common sense dead in this country?

Mike in Delray: AWESOME summary!! Amazing how many do not understand the intention of law-abiding gun carrying citizens. I carry my gun virtually everywhere I go. My hope is I NEVER need it and the only shooting I do is at the range.

But I (like you) understand the country (and the globe) is not utopia and there is evil everywhere. Murderers, rapists, physical assaults, etc. occur each and every day. Go to the home page of any news organization and there is most likely a murder or rape right there on the home page. My hope is is never have to use my gun to protect myself but knowing I HAVE the ability to protect myself is very beneficial.

BTW, many believe that the police departments are against personal gun ownership and carrying in public. THAT is also untrue. Most police are very supportive of law-abiding citizens carrying. In fact I have met about 6 police officers in various scenarios (friends of friends, in college classes, etc.) and have not met one yet that was AGAINST personal carry. All I have talked to are supportive of law-abiding citizens.

When I got my carry conceal license (about 3 years ago) I had to get fingerprinted at a local police station. Quite honestly I was a little nervous because I didn't know at the time how THEY felt about carry conceal. As one officer was fingerprinting me he asked me "so what gun is going to be your carry gun". I told him my 5-shot 357 magnum. He hesitated a second and then said "good choice. Just remember if you ever find yourself in a situation where you must use it then two shots center mass (meaning minimum two shots in the chest of the assailant)".

We went on to talk further and he said one other comment I thought was interesting: he said "Law Enforcement would love to be able to protect you and your family but unfortunately it is rare we can stop the crime. The most we can hope for is limited injuries and to start an investigation to try and catch the assailants. But the crime has already been committed. Take your responsibilities seriously and you have every right to protect yourself".

Time to start memorials for those folks killed in Chicago.

Wow, there would be multiple mermorials on every block.

Mark From Tahoe you are obviously a racist and a pig. I know we all got the same report that physically the child Trayvon Martin was on his CELL PHONE when APPROACHED right? LUDS DON'T LIE. THEY ARE THE PHYSICAL PHONE BILL OF WHATEVER PHONE YOU ARE ON. PLEASE TELL ME how the conversation Zimmerman is LYING about, oh excuse me "claiming" transpired and the conversation that the younglady on the other end SAYS SHE HEARD all happened when Trayvon Martin died within 3-5minutes of THAT CALL. Did anyone go back and actually time George's account? Bet you its over 10minutes which tells me that George's account is FALSE and NEVER OCCURED. I said it and will ALWAYS say it. I beleive the younglady's account of events that she heard Zimmerman ask Martin what are you doing here? Then Martin asked Why are you following me. Zimmerman's neighbor Frank T is as racist and delusional as you Mark and others like the DICKWAD Tigerlover above me.

I don't think Martin started the fight and he was walking from a store with a can of soda and a bag of skittles. IF THIS IS ALL IT TAKES FOR BLACK KIDS TO OFFEND PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY THEN THIS COUNTRY IS IN SERIOUS TROUBLE! Why is it so HARD for Frank T and others in this country to ADMIT that perhaps they don't know their NEIGHBOR as WELL as THEY THINK they do and that perhaps the guy is CAPABEL of wrong doing(because then they'd have to be HONEST with the world and themselves that the person(Zimmerman in this case) is FLAWED and that something in them is broken to condone Zimmerman's ACTIONS of killing an UNARMED CHILD)? I'm pretty sure Jeffrey Domers' family didn't think he was capable of chopping men up and eating them. And we all know Ted Bundy was the "GUY NEXT DOOR" who you WANTED your daughter to marry. Bundy just had a couple of skeleton in his closet too.

You never know people as well as you think or what they are capable of until something occurs.

I hate MONDAYS !!!

A memorial for a dead gangbanger, how nice. Perhaps a memorial should be constructed since it may hopefully pacify the ghetto.

Lorraine,

Seriously...it's almost like you read a headline the morning after the case and have been fabricating the rest in your home so that you can spit it out the way you want it to be, with some sick and twisted purpose.

Zimmerman did absolutely nothing illegal by identifying Trayvon as a possibly suspicious person in his community to the police department. I've done the same thing when things didn't look right in my community. It's called being aware of what's going on, and based on the number of break-ins committed in Zimmerman's community up until that point, I would have expected EVERY citizen of that community to be on the alert. You do know the police were called to that community over 400 times in a year's time - more than once per day they were called - like you wouldn't be on the lookout with that type of behavior going on where you live?

Zimmerman did nothing illegal by following Trayvon. Shocking as it may sound, it's not illegal to follow someone. You can follow them all day long and while it could be construed as "creepy"...it's LEGAL.

The dispatcher (who is not an officer) never said to stop following Trayvon. Zimmerman was told "OK, we don't need you to do that." That's perfectly fine...he felt that he did (if he did continue) and was doing nothing wrong by doing so.

And there's nothing illegal about verbally confronting someone. It happens all the time and no one is hauled off to jail for it. This comes down to who took this from words to violence. Aside the bullet wound that ended his life, Trayon sustained no injuries which indicate that he was struck anywhere. However, there were injuries to the face as well as the back of the head of Zimmerman. We also have a witness that saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman (as identified by their clothing).

And as for this:

Try to remember back to when you were 17, if a man confronted you and you were doing nothing and that man had a gun and out weighed you by approx 45-50 lbs, would you feel threatened? How do you think Martin felt that night.

1.) "and that man had a gun" - Zimmerman had his gun concealed as is the law in the state of Florida. It would have been completely unseen by Trayvon, so that part of the statement is invalid.

2.) "and out weighed you by approx 45-50 lbs" - I love when people only tell half the story...their heights and weights at the morgue and at the police station were as follows:

Trayvon 5' 11" 158 lbs

Zimmerman 5' 7" 200 lbs

So Trayvon had him by 4" and Zimmerman had him by 40 lbs. Trayvon was an athlete, and Zimmerman (at the time) was...politely speaking "portly". And Trayvon had already had SEVERAL run ins with authority figures (currently on another suspension from his school).

So now let's re-frame the question with the FACTS and see how it sounds:

"Try to remember when you were 17 and had been suspended from school three times for illegal activity, currently on a 10 suspension and a short fat guy tried to call you out while walking home. Would you have felt threatened?"

As for me...No I would not have felt threatened in the least - I would have (in my juvenile days) either ignored him or told him to go "F" himself and continued about my business.

What I would NOT have done was punched him in the face, climbed on his chest like an animal atop it's prey, and started pounding his head into the ground.

Permanent memorial...WHAT? How about permanent memorials for any individual who dies keeping this country safe. They are heroes.

TaylorCaruso...(#1.111)..."Zimmerman is LYING about, oh excuse me "claiming" transpired and the conversation that the younglady on the other end SAYS SHE HEARD all happened when Trayvon Martin died within 3-5minutes of THAT CALL. Did anyone go back and actually time George's account? Bet you its over 10minutes which tells me that George's account is FALSE and NEVER OCCURED."

10 minutes ??? Seriously ???....Where ya been, this info has been out there " Like Forever "

____________________________________________________

Zimmerman loses sight of Martin, 7:13:10....Call to police continues

Zimmerman call ends----- shot fired

7:13:41--------------------7:16:55......3 minutes 14 seconds

Plenty of time for a High School Football player to run 70 yards to his father's twice a month "girlfriends" house....

"6:24:18 PM — A store video shows Martin purchasing candy and a beverage.^[8][9]

• 6:54 - 7:12 — Martin has an 18-minute cell phone call with a girl (reported to be his girlfriend) which gets disconnected.^[9][10]

• 7:09:34 - 7:13:41 — George Zimmerman calls the Sanford Police Department (SPD) from his truck; total time of the call is 4 minutes 7 seconds.^[11]

• 7:11:33 — Zimmerman tells the police dispatcher that Trayvon Martin is running.

• 7:11:59 — In reply to the dispatcher's question, "Are you following him?" Zimmerman says, "Yes." Dispatcher states, "OK, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman replies, "OK."

• 7:12:00 - 7:12:59 — The girl calls Martin again at some point during this minute.^[12]

• 7:13:10 — Zimmerman says he does not know where Martin is.

Map of the Retreat at Twin Lakes

• 7:13:41 — Zimmerman's call to Sanford police ends.^[12]

• 7:16:00 - 7:16:59 — Martin's call from the girl goes dead during this minute.^[12][13]

• 7:16:11 — First 911 call from witness about a fight, calls for help heard.^[14]

• 7:16:55 — Gunshot heard on 911 call.^[15]

Following the shooting:

• 7:17 — Officer T. Smith (first there) arrives in squad car at Retreat View.^[16]

• 7:17:40+ — Officer Smith arrives at crime scene.^[17]

• 7:19:07 — Photo taken of Zimmerman's head injuries by a civilian bystander.^[18]

• 7:19:43 — Officer Smith takes Zimmerman into custody."

^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin}

Insanity..a public memorial for a messed up troubled kid. His memorial should be a private family matter. I wonder how it affects the nearby property owners? Who cares because Treyvon deserves justice, right? It does keeps the racist card in the spotight-always helpful when/if it comes time for a civil suit and the $$$ that could follow a conviction.

Sorry for the spread-outness of #1.116....Edit froze and I couldn't take out all the spaces in between....

Witness 9 interview

There are three crosses at a sharp bend in the road in the city where I live. I'm sure it's kept up by family and friends, and I'm also sure they are memorialized at the cemetery. These crosses have been there for a good thirty years. It is in a spot where nothing will ever be built so no problem there. It is a reminder that this stretch of road is dangerous, especially when dark and going even a little too fast. Most people don't know the story behind it, but I remember the accident that took three lives. It was horrific. It is kept up quietly, respectfully and privately, as it should be.

TaylorCaruso...(#1.111)....Since you seem to know so much....Tell me why Tracy Martin lied to the Police on his 911 "missing person" call at 8:30 the next morning ???

He said the last time he saw Trayvon was at 8-8:30 PM the night before.....when at ""6:24:18 PM — A store video shows Martin purchasing candy and a beverage "....That he was probably wearing Kahki shorts, a hoodies and either red or white tennis shoes ....The 7-11 video shows him wearing long pants....Shot Fired at 7:16:55 PM

At 8-8:30....His son was already dead in the backyard, 70 yards from the back door where Tracy was staying ??? How could he be the only one that didn't "notice" all the police cars and ambulances in the backyard ???

Cool, calm and collected, carefully choosing his words when he called 911....click on the 2 audio links in the article:

http://www.news4jax.com/news/911-calls-from-Trayvon-Martin-s-father-released/-/475880/15189084/-/xcn47a/-/index.html

you all have thoughtful comments ...(#1.119)

Witness 9 interview

That girl is obviously delusional......and has NOTHING to do with the case....How far back did they go to find "witnesses"...Did they ask Zimmermans Pediatrician if he had Racist poops in his diaper ???

Anytime someone says " They always" , but when asked for specifics about George, she has none....and the Statement she made about what Zimmerman's mother said was just laughable.....

Let's not forget that George Zimmerman went to bat for a homeless black man who was assaulted by the son of a police officer.

Doesn't sound like the actions of a racist.

http://www.local10.com/blob/view/-/15530710/data/1/-/rm3t0yz/-/Witness-9---1.null

GZ was molesting a family member for years, and he bullied her into silence, that is why GZ was estranged from his family before this killing.

Let's not forget that George Zimmerman went to bat for a homeless black man who was assaulted by the son of a police officer.

Doesn't sound like the actions of a racist.

He and his wife also tutored the kids in the community on Saturdays for free...black, hispanic, and white - that darn racist!!!

This is crap , everyone is so scared that the blacks are going to riot when they don't get they're way and they will , and they will go after innocent white people and pull them from their cars as gangs and stomp them to death, @!$%# you , stand up to these animals, quit giving the blacks the upper hand, got it ? now come and get some, we don't call the cops, oh and by the way if it was my kid that got killed I'd be pissed,and I would take the blame for letting him be a punk also George Zimmerman is not white, and I aint racist so quit blaming all your problems on us, is'nt that what ya all say ? man up so @!$%#in do it, sincerely Armed & Ready,on Georges side

GZ was molesting a family member for years, and he bullied her into silence, that is why GZ was estranged from his family before this killing.

So if I understand her testimony clearly, the 28 year old supposedly did something to his cousin 22 years ago and again 14 years ago and she couldn't summon up the courage to say anything to anyone until he's international headline news?

Sorry but that sounds like someone's looking for tabloid payouts.

And btw, this has exactly what do to with THIS case again?

hoodie punk like that deserves no memorial.

if anything zimmerman should get a medal for standing his ground.

A permanent memorial to a gang-banging punk? Are they actually serious? What will it be, a pair of bronze sneekers hung over a utility wire or a statue with the pants pulled down?

Yeah, lets put a memorial for Trayvon, and lets put more up for the gangbangers that deserve a statue too... Martin Luther King was bad enough, but this is crazy...

He was a hooded rat, dressed like a prison ho, up to trouble, Gene pool cleaned alittle.

I think the only memorial allowed would be one where he's lying on his back bleeding out...

I don't have to tolerate your stupidity my properety is mine to protect and have no remorse on filling your empty head with lead.

A memorial for a thug and a punk?

hoodie punk like that deserves no memorial.

@HopefulAmerican: You want to tell me again what a "moronic statement" I made by pointing out that the kkk seem to be flooding this board and that the kkk seem to be the only Zimmie supporters left? Go ahead and support your child molesting, wife-beating, liar of a skinhead. I will support the kid who was walking home from the store minding his own business, thank you very much.

A person on this vine got 390 votes up by posting something untrue about the memorial, wow shows people are not paying attention, just agreeing to whatever suits their narrative.

No memorial for hoodie punks. No memorial for ass kissing libtards.

Stand your ground!

Shawn (a.k.a. Shadow)

"seriously, it's almost like you read a headline the morning after the case"

Well Shawn, where have you gotten all of your information from. The facts are facts and can't be twisted, interpreted, or changed to make Zimmerman anything other than what he is. The same as the facts about Martin are what they are and that's it. The facts did not "come out in headlines the next morning" Shawn.

The facts came out almost a month later when the States Attorney General filed the complaint against Zimmerman after the Police Chief of Sanford resigned his position and Zimmerman was arrested. George Zimmerman has a history of "alleged" molestation and that is why he is estranged from his immediate family, he was arrested in 2005 for Resisting an officer with violence. He had a judge rule after hearing evidence, to place a protective order (restraining order) against him from his ex-fiance with public record showing cause as: physical threats of violence to induce injury or extreme harm. He had a history of making 46 calls to police in 7 1/2 yrs of reporting suspicious persons or activity.

Although, these facts have NOTHING to do with the fact of him shooting a teenager in the head, lets look at FACTS that we do know about this case. He called police on a non-emergency line to report a suspicious person, he told police dispatch he was following the youth, dispatch told him "no, we don't need you to do that", he did it anyway. Martin did not come up and confront Zimmerman, Zimmerman got our of his car and confronted the youth. Some type of altercation took place and Zimmerman shot the teenager in the head and the teen died. Zimmerman filed a false affidavit regarding his finances for his bail hearing, he lied in court to a judge at his bail hearing that he had surrendered his only passport, when his jail phone calls were recorded, authorities found cause to investigate further and found he had $100,000 stashed and a second passport. So he committed a felony on his bail affidavit and his bail was revoked and he was jailed until a new bail hearing was set.

So....your "I only get my info from headlines the day after the shooting"...not so. Zimmerman is his own worst enemy. He has shown in the past he has no respect to follow the law and even if Martin was the aggressor and Zimmerman (with his loaded gun stalking the youth through the complex while waiting for police to arrive) was the victim, one fact is for sure. He has a history of violence, he has a history of not obeying law enforcement, he had no respect for the law regarding truthfulness on court affidavits and he lied to the Judge in court regarding his passport. These are not front page headlines, these are facts that have led to the situation Mr. Zimmerman faces now. Oh....and let's not forget, a 17 yr old teenager is dead because he shot him in the head while he was visiting someone with his father that night who just happened to live at the Twin Lakes Community that George Zimmerman so desperately wanted to protect that he was known by communications at Sanford P.D. as a recurrent caller.

Zimmerman (with his loaded gun stalking the youth through the complex while waiting for police to arrive) was the victim

Stalking - "Stalking can be defined as the willful and repeated following, watching and/or harassing of another person. Unlike other crimes, which usually involve one act, stalking is a series of actions that occur over a period of time."

So he was following a suspicious and unfamiliar person in his community - again completely legal, and by definition, not "stalking".

He has shown in the past he has no respect to follow the law

Unlike Trayvon who was a repeated convicted drug offender, convicted tagger, and suspected of stealing jewelry from female classmates in school, was currently on suspension (which was the only reason he was in the Sanford in the first place), and had THC in his body when he was killed (meaning that even though he had just been suspended from school for doing drugs - HE WAS STILL DOING THEM!!!)

Oh....and let's not forget, a 17 yr old teenager is dead because he shot him in the head while he was visiting someone

That's funny - you make it sounds like the little fella was on spring break - actually he is dead because he was shot in the chest at point blank range for being atop another person banging their head in the ground in an action that most sane people would take to be life threatening.

Although, these facts have NOTHING to do with the fact of him shooting a teenager in the head,

In the chest, and as you are right, they have NOTHING to do with the case, they would be dismissed in court.

he was known by communications at Sanford P.D. as a recurrent caller.

And an understanding of the community might help to explain that (as you see...I live a few miles down the road from there):

For years, Twin Lakes residents had been on edge—demonstrated by their decision last September to start a neighborhood-watch organization, which was initiated by Zimmerman himself. The burglary of Olivia Bertalan’s home was just one of at least eight reported over the previous 14 months—several of which, neighbors said, involved young black men.

Three weeks before Martin’s death another Twin Lakes resident arrived home to discover a kitchen window open and a laptop and gold necklaces missing. Two witnesses said they saw a young black man standing nearby, but they did not see the man break into the home, according to a police report. One witness said he believed it was the same man who had stolen his bike. The next day officers responding to a call confronted three black men and one white man on bikes near the neighborhood. The same witnesses identified one of the men as the same man they saw near the burglarized home. The officers found the laptop in the man's backpack.

And by the way, Kim Cannaday, spokeswoman for the Seminole County Sheriff's Office was quoted as saying:

In all, police have records of 46 calls from Zimmerman since 2004, both to 911 and a nonemergency number, sometimes for reasons as mundane as reporting a pothole blocking a road, as he did in 2005. The sheriff’s office released the records after Sanford police detectives requested them as part of the investigation into Martin’s death, Cannaday said.

Cannaday said he did not believe that the number of calls Zimmerman made to police was itself concerning.

"I would not consider it excessive," Cannaday said. "That's typically what we encourage, is if anyone in the community sees something out of the ordinary, concerning, or suspicious, we would want for them to call."

I find that the lynch mob has trouble with the facts. I remember, on a different thread, someone saying Martin had been shot multiple times, someone else saying that Martin had taken a beating, lots of people saying that Zimmerman had no injuries, and now on this thread Lorrainne saying Martin was shot in the head, and Moonwolf saying that only KKK members would think that Zimmerman didn't have an obligation to die that night.

Maybe the parents of Trayvon don't care about all this @!$%# everyone seems to be throwing out there right now...they want justice for their son.

Zimmerman has family...you don't think they aren't suffering, either?

Maybe everyone should just stop the constant arguing over who did what and why and stay out of it. Let the trial go on and out of the way, stop doing ths petty @!$%# to goad people on (and you KNOW some are doing just that).

If you want to honor this kid, donate time and/or money to something he was involved in...that would be the best way to show your respect, and I bet the parents would love it, also.

Moonwolf saying that only KKK members would think that Zimmerman didn't have an obligation to die that night.

Not at all what I said, but thanks for twisting my words - as per usual - to suit your purposes. I do not for one minute believe that Zimmerman's life was in danger. He had 2 small cuts on his head. If anything, that PROVES that his head was NOT beaten on the sidewalk. Again, people take the words of a known liar as if they came from the mouth of God himself.

Also, please re-read the comments I copied and pasted above and tell me again that the kkk (no capital letters necessary) were not flooding this board with their hatred and vitriol.

Well, I do think that his life was in danger. And so your claim that only the KKK would support Zimmerman is a claim that they are the only ones who didn't think Zimmerman had an obligation to die that night. Furthermore, I am not a member of the KKK. I do not support their actions. And I resent your efforts to tie me to them.

I regard your analysis of "two small cuts" to be as fair-minded as your analysis that "all his supporters are in the KKK." Like I said. The lynch mob does not like the facts.

"Also, please re-read the comments I copied and pasted above and tell me again that the [KKK (capital letters are grammatically necessary even for such an odious organization)] were not flooding this board with their hatred and vitriol."

Before I go back to examine, you will have to withdraw your hatred and vitriol. (By the way, I think Trayvon Martin was as bad as the KKK. In your mind, I shouldn't be using capital letters for his name, either. But I do. It's a matter of personal integrity. And I don't think you have any.)

By the way, I think Trayvon Martin was as bad as the kkk.

That statement alone speaks volumes. There is absolutely no comparison between Trayvon Martin and the sick actions of the kkk. None. Trayvon never murdered anyone based upon the color of their skin (unlike Zimmerman). Trayvon never repressed the rights of a whole race of people based upon the color of their skin. Trayvon never hung people from trees because of the color of their skin. All he did was walk home alone in a hoodie because it was raining and Zimmie decided in his own paranoid mind that Trayvon was up to no good and decided to stalk and kill him.

MoonWolf:

Until you can learn proper grammar rules, I will have to dismiss your so-called argument. You see, the use of lowercase as you are doing, is an attempt to dehumanize, and so is done by someone who wants to appeal to emotion rather than facts. If you will not apply correct capitalization, then I have to assume that you are using only emotion and no facts.

The sad truth is that young Mr. Martin decided he could easily murder someone who was going to point him out to the police. He was wrong because, unbeknownst to Martin, Zimmerman had a gun with which he could defend himself. The notion that Zimmerman had somehow decided to murder Martin is patently absurd. If he had, he would never have called the police. But for Zimmerman's own action of calling the police, Zimmerman could never have been identified as the shooter. Face it. Martin was shot because he was smashing Zimmerman's head into the pavement, not because of the color of his skin.

But why should I expect you to admit truth. Your use of lowercase indicates that you don't like truth.

Nobody is implying that a kid walking home with candy is a thug.

A kid suspended for the third time with a locker filled with stolen goods, a drug history who called himself no limit nigga -- that's who's being called a thug.

Just think, if he wasn't suspended for the THIRD time, for TWO WEEKS and sent by his own mother to live with the ex, because per her statement, he was "getting to be too much"....he wouldn't even BE THERE to begin with.

What you also left out was that there had been 4 break-ins in that area within one month, Zimmerman actually helped a neighbor thwart one of them, and witnesses told the police they saw "young, black males" fleeing the scene in 2 of them. AND, you also neglected to mention that his neighborhood assoc. VOTED him to be the watch, he didn't simply take it upon himself.

phoenix77-Just because someone disagrees with someone or something that has to do with a black person does not mean they are bigoted. Playing the race card everytime just waters down the real racist acts that happen. STOP IT!

You notice that every comment in favor of G Zim. Is collapsed by MSN editors?

right on, JohnnyB.

All these naive people who keep calling Martin a "child" need to do a quick search on his "No Limit Nigga" online persona. Doing so will reveal that he was hardly a sweet little boy. Go ahead, look for yourself. You can see some of his actual TWEETS showing a horrible attitude towards women and life in general.

And I'm tired of hearing about the Skittles. Thugs eat candy too, ya know.

Memorial? Don't think so.

Please dont forget that the problem in this neighborhood, was "niggas" robbing the people. That was the reason for the neighborhood watch. If they would not have been robbing, there would have been no confrontation. Its a shame that a group of people find it necessary to get their good the good old fashion "ghetto way" rob whitey.

Please dont forget that the problem in this neighborhood, was "niggas" robbing the people. That was the reason for the neighborhood watch

Then that proves GZ profiled TM which proves GZ was a racist.

Thanks for the confirmation.

lol, T was half Z's size? How did you come to that assessment? T was 17 years old, 6'1" or 6'3" and football player. Z was 5'9" and overweight and out of shape.

Oh yeah elrenno, the fat neighbor hood watch guy chased down the skinny thug guy....give me a damn break.

Check your facts friend. Travon played HS football and was 6'2" and over 200 lbs.

Sorry....Martin was over six feet tall AND a football player.

Just an unavoidable reaction people....the only pictures of Trayvon published, he looks like some 12 year old choirboy.

People tend to forget that those pictures are YEARS old; I believe that is the whole reason for only publishing 'sweet Trayvon' pictures....just saying...

White supremists like Zim

Your a little confused. It's ok to have an opinion but you should do a little research before you post.

Are you serious? You need a history lesson. How the hell can a man that is half Hispanic and half Jew be a white supremacist? His ancestors were murdered by the millions you idiot! Maybe, just maybe he is innocent, and the kid attacked him? If the kid wouldn't have been kicked out of school then maybe this wouldn't have happened, lots of maybes.

Why do people keep calling George Zimmerman a White man? He's not White! Look at the man people.

wow Johan, you call Zim a white supremasist (you spelled "supremists"), but then you call him a zipperhead ?

who is the racist here ?

you should be ashamed of yourself

hypocrit

how is he a white supremists he is part mexican

"Zipperhead". That's one I haven't heard before.

Zipperhead ? LMFAO

a kid who was high (THC in his blood at the time of the autopsy) and carrying 2 of the three ingredients to make a drink called "lean" where kids mix tea/soda with skittles and cough syrup.

Right elrenno, and his whole head was illuminated by his halo? Preach that crap to some else.

The memorial had a cross on it. That alone means it should be taken down. Every other place that has crosses are taken down because it signifies religious artifact. Not saying it is fair but that is the reality of things today.

chris@memphis: Please explain what "lean" is and what it does. I have never heard of it. Thanks!

@jamrn, lean is a cocktail, a way of getting drunk.

you're on to something here Terry. Let's have a Thug of the Year Award, right up there with man of the year.

Don't forget the hoodie....... sorry, couldn't resist.

zomfg! roflmao!

I love you Uncle Henry! You da bomb-diggity :D

I had an Uncle Henry and he was just as digusting as you are.

@buzzkillone

You are so easily impressed by Uncle henry's not so funny post.

I laughed.

Uncle Henry Comment collapsed by the community

"pour some malt liquor on the sidewalk and play some rap music. thats good enough for a thug memorial."

Uncle Henry....you da man! LOL. Thanks!!!

Expert?? You don't need to be an expert to know the sky is blue, water is wet, or other completely obvious things like how black "culture" glorifies the thug-life.

"Live by the sword, die by the sword" has been a perfectly suitable saying for many years now....just because Gee Really updated it to modern day usage does not diminish its accuracy.

unforgiven, you really sound like you have a chip on your shoulder for some reason; to be able to see things clearly you really need to take off those blinders and stop drinking that kool aid.

Gee-really: I do believe your racist colors are showing. Lumping all people of color into one stereotyped group is KKK material. Grow up and while you are at it try to learn something about the country and society you live in. Racism is ugly and you are spewing it. PS I am a white grandmother and have lived a hell of lot longer than you and evidently am a hell of lot smarter.

You cant say black culture because that would mean all "black People" One thing I strongly dislike about this case is the its bringing out the hidden racism in all races!!! We can progress as a country because we still have race related issues? When is this going to STOP! We dont know what happen that night only Zimmerman does!!! Will he tell the whole truth maybe/ maybe not!! Lets stop calling trayvon a Thug because we dont what he did in his everyday life. we dont know who attacked who everything is hearsay and onesided. I do believe if zimmerman goes free he would have a hard life, he will not rest.. This is a very sad and bas situation for both families!!!

Gee are you really that stupid?

Gee, Really? ...you've already proved your ignorance with your racist remarks. I bet you wouldn't say what you typed to a black person...you're a computer thug. Now go run and hide coward.

Jet-1092441

unforgiven, you really sound like you have a chip on your shoulder for some reason; to be able to see things clearly you really need to take off those blinders and stop drinking that kool aid.

You're the bigot and yet the other poster has a chip on their shoulder and has blinders on? ROFL! You people are clowns.

Are Gee and I the only poster on here who went to the Social Sites done by Trayvon where he showed everyone who he was? MMA Streetfighting, bragging about drug useage and looking for a fix. Wake up people. This is not about race. The point of this article was that the FBI investigated , talked to people Zimmerman knew and found him not to be racist. You know I bet Jackson and Sharpeton were the first people to accuse Zimmerman of being white. IN HIS WHOLE LIFE! Can't you tell when you are being played by the Haters?

Gee...You da man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Racist?? I'm no racist. As a business owner/manager I've given jobs to more black people than you've probably met in your entire life. I've written employment confirmation letters for blacks so they could buy a car, get an apartment, or own a home. I've written letters of reccommendation for blacks so that they could get better jobs. Don't call me a racist.

I'm a realist. I deal in facts, not namby-pamby political correctness.

For anybody wanting to see who Martin REALLY was, just Google his on-line personna, "No Limit Nigga". You can see many of his actual Tweets. Once you read a few lin, you'll know what the inner Trayvon really was all about. He was no innocent, sweet little boy. Far from it.

Hidden racism in all races...is the only thing that fits this case completely....Being in a interracial marriage for 28 years has been a BIG EYE OPENER for ME......there is so much Racism in all races it is scary....I hear the stories of it is only the White Race who hates the Black Race and what is sad that is far from the truth that is the only thing that is HEAVYLY WAY IN ON THE MEDIA SIDE.....what scares me is White hate Blacks and Blacks hate Whites and we don't see that we are allowing other races to walk into America and take over because of our petty Grievances....... WE DONT SEE that until we look we will see Black as well as Whites fought to make this country a Wonderful place to live, learn and be happy....SAD ...we don't have that anymore....we have to cater to every one instead of what we fought to have in this country.....I feel if you break the law and are in jail, prison or whatever... you eat what you get and you worship when you are allowed........anything else oh well you are a criminial.....in other countries you are lucky to get medical attention..............here we cater to your wants.............SCREW that.....so let the LAW OF THE LAND get Zimmerman if he is Guilty and let him rot in HELL....if he is innocent leave the stupid MAN ALONE ................AND LEAVE HIS CHILDREN AND WIFE ALONE.....HE MADE THE CHOICE NOT THEM....... and the young man's Family give them Peace as well.....I have no idea if this young man was a thug or want to be thug but he was not a LAW abiding Citizen......he had begun to get on the wrong side of the law in school and the public......all will come out in court.....THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY......and I feel lets see it on TV like OJ.......since you made it into a HUGH STORY and made it part of everyone life....WE ALL DESEAVE THE TRUTH OF BOTH INDIVIDUALS...............

Atelier

I think you click off the neo nazi blog by mistake.

I pray for you that someone in your family is never shot by someone that just walks up to them in the dark and doesn't identify themselves.

Stand your ground works both ways.

All these ignorant comments just prove the study about conservative racist people is correct. You have lower Intelligent Quotients.

I can't wait to see what the next brand of candy will be to elevate a dead hood to martyrdom. Maybe a ringpop? And it'll come out that he was on his way to deliver food to old people for Meals On Wheels>

hmmm...so you ate a lier?

No, no, no don't be ugly, in his left hand the can of tea. No food stamps for my gangsta Trayvon.