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Elizabeth Collins, left, and Lyric Cook went missing in Evansdale, Iowa on Friday.
Updated at 5:28 p.m. ET: Crews resumed searching Monday for two Iowa girls who disappeared on Friday afternoon. Over the weekend, nearly 1,000 volunteers combed a 12-mile area around Evansdale, Iowa, where the girls were last seen around noon, riding their bikes.
Authorities said late Sunday that there were no indications of foul play in the disappearances of Lyric Cook-Morrissey, 10, of Waterloo and Elizabeth Collins, 8, of Evansdale but they were not ruling anything out.
The girls' bikes were found later in the day on Friday near a bike trail, the Quad-City (Iowa) Times reported. Elizabeth's purse and a non-working cell phone she used to play games were also found.
"We've covered everything we can cover with civilian people," Marcus Norman, volunteer coordinator with Evansdale Fire Department, told the Des Moines Register on Sunday. "Law enforcement is still working on the residential areas and things of that sort."
Rescue crews went by foot, horseback and 4-wheelers along with search and rescue dogs, WHOTV Des Moines reported.
The search included local authorities and volunteers, with help from state and national agencies including the FBI and National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, the Register reported.
Lake searched
The five-acre Meyers Lake was dragged on Sunday, but the search did not turn up any sign of the girls, Black Hawk Sheriff's Deputy Rick Abben told the Register. Officials started draining the lake on Monday.
"Searchers are confident the girls are not in Meyers Lake," the newspaper quoted Abben as saying. Still, the lake, already low because of the dry weather, continued to be dragged on Monday and officers were assigned to stay there during the night and into Tuesday, authorities said on Monday evening.
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A reward of $15,000 has been raised in an effort to find the girls, the Register reported.
Evansdale, a town of 4,500, is located in northeastern Iowa, about 100 miles northeast of Des Moines.
'Pushing those thoughts out of your mind'
The girls' families were holding out hope, according to news reports.
"Sometimes when you think about it, you wonder if they're dead somewhere, but you try to push those thoughts out of your mind," Misty Cook-Morrissey, Lyric's mother, told the Register.
"It's been good talking to people … It keeps your mind off of what's happening," the paper quoted her as saying.
Elizabeth Collins' mother, Heather Collins, told the Register that it is rare for her daughter to venture too far from home.
"We've talked about that before," Collins said, according to the paper. "We've told them they're too young to go far."
NBC News affiliate WHOTV-Des Moines contributed to this report.
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White slavery?
why was this comment collapsed? It i very feasable.
Ok Judsi and Whitegem, prove it. Get off the sofa and track them down. In particular use all the knowledge you have regarding white slavery and lead authorities to these girls. You will be recognized as highly intelligent heroes, instead of loser internet trolls.
You can do it trolls, all of america is behind you.
Myspellcheckisbroken...this is a public forum and those two contributors are entitled to their opinions, just like you. I think it's odd that they offer a suggestion & all you seem to be able to offer is insults. Who is the "loser internet troll", really?
@elliemae3cats no use trying to show a fool his ways because only a fool (myspellcheckerisbroken) would believe there is no sex slave trade in the United States. It is more common than you think and these girls are the perfect age for it. Not saying that is what happened but it is very possible. What worries me is that lake and how sure they seem to be that the girls are not in it. I think maybe they should drag the lake again.
if dese were 2 black chiren den dey wunt b n0 fuss
this happens more than people know its no joke ,he right
there would be a fus, no matter what race, color or religion;
the girls were doing the correct thing ,traveling in pairs, if they were grabbed, there will be more than one person involved, hope for the best for them and their family's .
last year two younge girls were shot on a country road. shooter never found could be the same person?
Lots of hate on this board because of my comment. Show me where I said white slavery does not exist? Show me where I said they were not entitled to an opinion. They threw their opinion out there with nothing to back it up. As I said, show us the ways of the white slavery trade and why this is it and you will be heroes. Instead we got crickets. Oh Well, at least they have you two to defend posts with nothing to support it.
Btw, I did not vote to collapse their comments, so someone other than me must have. Probably due to, as I said, shouting out a ridiculous claim to an event with out any proof to support it. Ellie and Lacy, I am not a vindictive person. I will settle for a simple apology from each of you. Your welcome.
@ lord shado
I thought the same thing as you, but God help you if you disagreed with the white slavery folks and their clan.
Well, I have to to admit , Judsi's comment was the first thing that I thought of as well. Then it came to mind that the cell phone and the purse were misdirection. I'd look in the opposite direction of the purse and cell phone, from the site of origination.I would be looking for an old weather beaten abandoned barn out in the middle of nowhere, with nothing else around it. The number 27 came to mind, but that could mean anything...a RT.#,part of an addrees, or how many miles it is out from where they found the bikes, the age of the kidnapper....
I will speculate that the 10yr. old met someone on FB and she bought her cousin along to meet him. I would search in the opposite direction of the cell phone. Sadly, many helpful leads from people sincerely wanting to help are often a valuable waste of police time. There are times when I am right on the mark, and other times that are way off course. This info, however, came on it's own, w/o asking. I can only offer it as it is. Leaving it up to those to decide whether or not it's worth checking out.
For those of you who feel you have a right to bash people without consequences, I feel sorry for you. You are most definitely in need of prayers yourself.
myspellcheckerisbroken: I hate to break it to you, but this time around the only one who is sounding hateful is you, and I can't see the reason for it... There was no claim made, just a question, and a simple one at that, of white slavery as a possibility. No evidence needs to be presented for a simple question stemming from a random thought process, and I also do not understand why the comment was collapsed. To call the two commentors "loser internet trolls" seems a bit much; they weren't being hateful by any means or acting out in a troll-like manner, as so many do on these boards. You, however, should be the one providing the apologies all around; you do sound like you're on the attack. What for?
myspellcheckerisbroken,
You're in the wrong here. The first two comment weren't off base and the fact that they were kidnapped suggests that possibility. As a matter of fact the first person did not form an opinion. His/her comment was followed by a question mark. You need to relax the calm the @!$%# down.
At Comommy.
Although my comments do not seem hateful to me when I wrote them, I can see your point that it may seem that way to others, so I will concede that much. Also, I live in Matamoros, MX about 6 months out of each year and we are well aware of white slavery and human trafficking and this does not seem anything like that. Perhaps I was a little too emotional with it. You and I have seen each other's comments many times on many boards, and I think you will agree that I have always been respectful to others, even some that didn't deserve it.
So, I think that is why Ellie and Laceylou's comments bothered me so much. Laceylou said that they were "entitled to their opinion" and I agree and even made the statement that although their statement had been collapsed, it was not collapsed by me. My point was, if you are going to say it was white slavery, offer up some proof as to why you think that. And, yes, I could have done it without the troll part, but this issue is very sensitive where I live.
Laceylou made the comment that I was a fool for believing that slavery did not exist in the US, and I asked her where I made that claim, which I did not. I actually agree with her comment about the lake needing to be dragged again. So, COmommy, since you claim that I should apologize, wouldn't you agree that others should as well to me?
Ordinarily, I would not write a long response, but there are some people I have respect for on here and would do the same for them. Gtouch, Calico, you (COmommy), and others who I hope aren't offended that I left them off. I respect everyone's opinion and have never voted to collapse one, even if it probably called for it. I hope my answer was satisfactory.
@ Butch
I am willing to apologize to the first poster because COmommy showed me the error of my ways by doing it in a respectful manner. You did not. Your last line is uncalled for
Grow up and remove your post.
I think spellchecker might be questioning why that would be the first thing someone thought of since it would be far down the list of possibilities. It is more likely a sexual predator or serial killer or even just runaways than "white slavery" which is still a possibility. Hoping for their safe return and prayers for the families.
myspellcheckerisbroken: I typically have no problem with your comments and have come across many from you, so, thank you for apologizing to the first poster, and for explaining your position on the issue and why you may have reacted in such a way. I appreciate the time you took to do so since your overall goal is not to be offensive, and yes, I do think it was uncalled for for others to call you a troll in return. Name-calling is unnecessary and rude, and I think it would do everyone well to refrain from it if they want anyone else to listen to what they have to say.
COmommy
Thank you. That does mean a lot and I will be very careful going forward. Since most of the time I try only to be humorous, Gtouch, the poster above you has been pretty good at letting me know if something has crossed the line, which I don't want to do as I respect everyone here.
We have lost a lot of American and Mexican girls here on the border that have been snatched by cartels on both sides. I have children the same ages as these girls and so it sometimes hits home really hard. We even know some of these girls.
Anyway, thank you again and have a great afternoon. To the posters above as well, not only can we start new, but I appreciate everyone who didn't collapse me.
why are you guys arguing over comments, you don't owe each other any explanations. you don't even know each other. just leave it alone and stick to the article on this page, geez. i hope these girls are found, its so sad. they need to keep searching, somebody could have them in their house.
ruslis: yet you involved yourself in the "argument."
I too hope these girls are found, unhurt and safe. The clock is ticking.
Butch it hasn't been established as fact that they were abducted or they wouldn't be draining and dragging the lake. I'm sick of reading about things like this, I hope they come home safe too and I can't imagine the worry of their family not having to worry about one child but two.
Sadly, in most of these cases, the missing children are never found. I don't believe there are a lot of people capable of killing two young girls, but there are some, and running into one is all it takes.
Way to be an optimist!
dman, it's obvious you haven't any kids. NEVER give up hope.... NEVER!
My thoughts & prayers go out to these girls & their families; That they may be returned home safely and soon.
And to those that took them.......
NO MERCY!
He's being a realist. FBI even says after 24 hours its over. Their never found.
5K reward for their safe return?... Meanwhile CEO's are getting 500 million to leave companies they bankrupt or steal 2 billion from. See it is class warfare not a race thing. Thats $2500 per little white girl, while another CEO named diamond or Gold or Silver get half a billion bonus for failing. People pay that much for a pair of shoes in Hollywood. I'm just saying wtf kind of world is this.
Ophotfoot
your right i also do not understand why each state does not have there own missing child response team or something to that effect that helps lock down borders and can act quickly to help find the child. Parents should not have to wait if they think something is not right and have the team respond right away. I rather my tax money go to that even if 1 out of 100000 is a valid missing child. We also need to make kidnapping and raping of children death by firing squad.
Firing squad? That's actually very humane and reasonable of you Hak. Most posters would suggest some form of torturing these people to death.
I think wha the Romans did was a good idea. Crucify them and leave their bodies to rot and be eaten by birds and insects for all to see.
@ Ophotfoot......A very very very very very very very very, way beyond repair, phucked up one!
Lets hope for there safe return, never give up hope for there safe return, sometimes that all we have.....
Wrong, most missing people ARE found.
Just because a large number are *reported* missing every year, doesn't mean they're never found.
But the majority of them are adults.
These girls will be found. I hope the answers to their disappearance are discovered, too.
Ophotfoot - Not like it should matter, but the reward is 15K, not 5K. Here's hoping they find these girls safe and bring them home to their loved ones as soon as possible! And give your kids an extra hug today! I can't imagine living w/o either of mine....
It's so sad that the girls, their family and community are going through this! Very traumatic. My thoughts and prayers are with them...
I hope they find these little girls unharmed and I give best wishes to the family. I cannot nor would I ever want to imagine or experience what these people are going thru.
It is true though, the longer they are gone the less likely they are to find them alive. But certainly do not give up hope. As for the kidnappers, I doubt this is a ransom type kidnapping (don't think the family is wealthy) so my fear is it was some sick POS that picked them up. Any regular kidnapper needs to be locked away for a long time, but if it turns out that some sick F*** pedophile took these girls, then they need to shoot him (possibly her) on the spot when found.
Its so upsetting to have to hear about stories like these. However, don't think this means there is a boogyman around every corner. There's not. So don't lock up kids up and not let them do anything, but do try to be vigilant and set reasonable boundries, not like days past where the kids could take off all day and parents not have to worry much that they would come home in time for dinner unharmed, well maybe some scrapes and bruises, but present none the less.
It is time
AMBER ALERT has not been issued on this case, in my opinion, That is the reason why Police are stumped: They have wasted time if these girls were taken at least The public could be on Watch. The clues that come in with a ALERT could make a difference between life & death...ISSUE A AMBER ALERT IOWA!!
All so I urge the police involved to work with a known Psychic, I know theyve called in: I feel they will lead you in the right direction.... I will pray daily to bring these babies home
dman is correct. I don' think he's trying to be a pessimist...just realistic.
I hope they find them alive, we all do, buut when someone's purse is fond...when their bikes are found...doesn't look good. You KNOW they would have those with them if they decided to just take off. Hopefully, they jjust went off in a car w/a friend.
Truly a sad course of events.
Prayers and blessings to the families of these beautiful young girls. Keep the hope alive, and continue searching for answers. I pray, that they are found and returned safely to their families. There is always hope that they can and will be found.
I am a bit concerned from a profile standpoint. The words of the mother are a bit odd?? the quotes make it seem like this is about her and not the kids...she says something glaringly alarming that is about them being dead...No request for their return , no pleas of if you have them...no real emotion attached to them. Not being harsh but I dunno something seems off...I pray the mom is not involved...and where is that fathers and the other mother?? its all a bit strange
I want to be the lawyer who defends their murderer at the state's expense. I want to claim that my client is as innocent as a lamb and, even though hair fibers from the girls were found in my client's trunk, there could be a 'shadow of doubt' (however you measure doubt shadows) that my client did nothing other than have an ongoing interest in child porn in his spare time. I also want to discuss my client's rights to be treated just like every hardworking, non-kidnapping, non-murdering citizen even if you find bodies in his fridge. Because that's fair. If he's charged with murder, I want to be the lawyer who tells everyone that his life is JUST as valuable as theirs and they wouldn't give themselves the death penalty so why should he get it.
Also, I look forward to the day when these girls faces are long forgotten for the media blip they are and I can get paid more by the state to appeal the case and get my client his freedom because of the police made one theoretical misstep in the case. Everyone on death row is innocent.
But, I'm sure I won't get that chance. I guess it will have to be another attorney.
Thats because you dont have the whole story, this is one quote from many different interviews the parents have done in the past three days.
If you read closely they talked about both mothers in the story, didn't mention the fathers, but they are still around also.
Some of you have mentioned that Iowa needs to post an Amber Alert. In an interview with the Sheriff, he said they can't. There was no car or person of interest to even meet the requirements of an Amber Alert. They tried, but they were not allowed.
Can't they post an Amber Alert for the kids being missing WITHOUT a person of interest? They should.
I hope with everything in me these girls are found safe, sound and reunited with the their families. These abductions are far to common these days.
My question is why we, as a society, grant these predatory monsters of children any mercy at all. A kidnapper for monetary gain should get life, these abductors of children should lose their lives, period. And do spare me the rehabilitation speech, clearly, such rehabilitation is an illusion. These "Boogeymen" as "it is time" called them, may not be around every corner, but they are around enough corners to be a concern. They lurk in vans and cars, leer from bushes in parks, crawl the internet, Coerce kids with lies, toys, puppies, candy. They are slime and should be dealt with accordingly. "vigilant" is an understatement. One such abduction is too many. The number in this country today, is completely unacceptable. Their are those who say Capital punishment is not a deterrent, perhaps not, but one thing is an absolute certainty, an executed perv never does it again.
No, Derek. You are just plain wrong. There are plenty of children who are found after missing for 24 hours or longer. A prime example is the young woman from California who was abducted as a child. She was found years later living in tents in the backyard of a sex offender. Another example is the Mormon girl from Utah who was found months after she was abducted. If you can't be accurate and truthful in your posting, then don't post.
There shouldnt be any discussion regarded these girls...only Prayers. Keep your mindless comments to yourself about them never being found. Remember...these two girls are someones babies...someones world. If these were your children, would you give up because of statistics? I sure in the heck wouldn't. Just Pray...Pray these girls make it back home safe. And if you have children...Pray for the parents, because as a mother, I cant even imagine what they must be going through.
Lets hope for thier return.. but the fact that one of their purses was found and her cell phone indicates an abduction. Something happened to those girls... I just hope they are alive and survive.
Hmmm whoever said after 24 hours they are never found has never read anything about it.......first statistically speaking after 48 hrs the chances start diminishing. However, in most cases like this, which there are more then are reported on MSN, they are usually found. This happenens every day somewhere. Most are just runaways or people trying to get attention. Not say that is what is happening here but just wanted to set the record straight on some bad information some people apparently have.
At least we know its not Sandusky. Maybe a relative. A proud family relative of Sandusky possibly.
Dear Heavenly Father, we ask that you watch over the families that are suffering due to the lost of these girls. We ask Lord, that you return them safely and we pray they are just lost. We wish no ill will towards anyone who may be involved in their disappearance but just that they come home safely. We prayer that law enforcement will be vigilant in finding them and apprehending any perpetrator's. We leave it up to you, In Jesus name, Amen.
to GoldfishTheDestroyer there's nothing remotely tongue-in-cheek amusing about this. You're free to think what you will but to type your comments was in very poor taste.
As for the idea about each state having a fund for missing children, people have no idea how many kids (and adults) go missing every day. If you want to raise the hairs on your neck contact a Child Find website or FBI website and get some stats. I worked for years for a PI who specialized in recovering kids all over the world who had been abducted and put in the white slave trade or taken by noncustodial parents and taken out of the country. He's done reverse stings and nearly lost his life on more than one occasion and sadly, it's not really that after 24 hours they'll never be found, it's more a question of whether the parents/family/friends can afford to hire an really good PI to trail them and do what it takes to grab them. Predators are single-minded, and extremely clever at their purpose. After working with and reading some of his case files my daughter was not allowed on the computer unsupervised (that means my eyes on her screen with her folks) and Facebook is really just a code for a stocked pond for predators.
Amber Alerts are only issed when there is a vechicle involved and have a description. That's the case in Calif. but I'm not sure about the other states. If that's the case, the policy needs to be modified. I pray they'll be found safe soon.
My heartfelt thoughts and prayers go out to the family. So much speculation. . . but how can a person not wonder what happened to these girls. I just only hope the loved ones aren't reading alot of the comments on here. Whats more important: Proving a point or these missing girls. Why not show some support in case the families read this!
Praying for the safe return.
Sadly, in this town 7 years ago, they had another girl child taken and was found dead six days later. I am sure hoping they don't have a serial monster on their hands.
Should have listened to the mom. Bad girls!
OWS derangement in every thread on "nbcnews" = LOL. Losers.
you people are blowing the 24 hour statistic out of proportion- you know that concept we as a people have lost sight of. sorry its ugly but by volume if a child is abducted by a stranger and not found within 24 hours they are very likely to not be found alive. missing children in general are more likely to be dead if they are not found in 24 hours- its not a lie or conspiracy, live children who are with family or wandered off are likely to get help or come home within the day, dead people have nasty habit of not calling home or telling people where they are. everyone here seems to think all statistics must be 100% or not at all true when they just paint a picture of a trend or pattern.
Kimmiworld
I was struck by the same thing watching an interview of her by Cooper. She had no tears, she had no strain of worry in her face, and her answers to questions made it seem she was thinking of herself and not her lost child at all. It is strange. Perhaps, it is just her way of dealing with this. I continue to pray for these two beautiful little ones to come home safely and soon.
I hope and pray for their safe return. I hope law enforcement spares no recourse to find them and to reunite them with their family. On a side note, in case they were taken, not just lost hiking, I hope they catch them (the kidnappers) and put them away in a deep dark hole without any prospect of ever coming out.
Yeah, right...like that's ever going to happen. They'll get a slap on the wrist and be out in no time to do it all again. Americans are dumb...you need to get serious about this stuff and start putting these monsters away for good. How do you all sleep at night knowing there are pedos and pervs just ready to snatch, rape and kill your children? Instead of focusing on money, money, money why don't you do something about this? Instead of starting useless wars, why not do something about this? You people are pathetic...you value money more than your children!
In God Americans trust:
G-old
O-il
D-iamonds
Lori - just curious, what country are you in?
I'm sorry Lori, but don't over generalize the American people, I for one care about taking every one of those pedos and torturing them in ways that would unfortunately never be equal to the damage they cause their victims. If your country is so high and mighty and free of any sins, then you can talk.
TO: Lori
I have a word for you G O O D B Y E
G- GET
O- OFF
O- OUR
D- DIRT
B- B!TCH
Y- YOUR
E- EGO MANIAC
AGREED!! I can only rejoice in the fact that LORI isn't in this country.
Wow, Arizona Mom, a real Christian response there.
Except folks that Lori is correct.
All the fained outrage, the "hang em" or other descriptions of what should happen to the pervs, Its all BULLS**T!
If crimes against our children were truly despised, we as a country would do something about it. But no, these animals are released back into society over and over again while the right passes the umpteen abortion bill or the left passes bills protecting frogs in some delta.
What is it that gives these animals a excuse? Is it the forgivness of religion? Is it the psycholigists who think there is something human that can be fixed? Why do people continue to send their children to churchs after all the molestations? Coaches? sketchy family members?...................
Yet we attack the messenger.
Az mom...lol...
Darkshadow, why would you assume anyone is of a particular religion? It's funny, Lori probably doesn't realize how many pederasts she or he has in their own country.
BoredwithsameO, learn how to spell.. "fained" is not a word nor is "psycholigists". It's not just this country and I don't see you gunning for these monsters. To call them an animal is to insult animals. IF someone hurt these girls and that hasn't been established as fact yet, of course they should die in a brutal way but who is going to torture and kill them? Anyone who could torture another person, even if that person was a child killer, shouldn't be out on the streets.
az mom lives in a trailer obvious
@ F Walsh,
Please excuse my spelling as I will excuse your incomprehension of my prose.
I would like to contribute toward the award fund. I hope these girls are found quickly. Let's not post "what ifs" here. The only thing the family needs is our caring and support.
I understand about not wanting to suggest "what ifs," but if the girls were abducted it is CRITICAL that everything be done to get them back ASAP. In a case like this you must be proactive. God Bless you for contributing to the reward and for your kind heart.
There is a group on facebook you can contact about contributing to the reward, it is actually higher than what this story says.
Bring lyric and elizabeth home is the name of the group.
Duh! Nothing like stating the obvious, Joanne. I'm sure it has not occurred to anyone else that the girls need to be found ASAP.
Everyone Keep your eyes out!
We'll find these girls.
I'll even bike around my town looking for them.
Me too
First, I am praying for the safe and quick return of these girls. Their pictures need to be put on TV stations around the country! Call America's Most Wanted to get this on their show. It's crucial to find the girls quickly, especially in light of human trafficking of young girls, as they want to get them out of the area quickly. Was there an Amber Alert?
I am praying for their safety and I pray that they come home unharmed, NOW! In Jesus' name, Amen.
"... I pray that they come home unharmed, NOW! In Jesus' name, Amen."
Was there a brilliant flash of light followed by the sudden reappearance of the missing girls as a result of your prayer? LOL
shandril
you got any better ideas. or you got any better hope.
Just say'in
Do you feel better after mocking Joanne's faith? Why does it bother you non believers so much that those of us who do believe express and act on our faith.
I am actually a non-believer don't feel that mocking other beliefs is appropriate. Everyone handles their own obstacles in their own way. She never said she was praying for you, anyhow, Shandril. Don't take it so personally.
Why does it bother you so much that people criticize your faith?
Shandril is a Satan worshiper that uses a big white cross for a dildo.
so sad a story, they WILL be found safe and alive...!!!
While I don't agree with mocking your faith, where was your God when these 2 girls were taken?
You pray for their safe return, give thanks when they are found, but never ask him why they were taken to begin with? Is he testing your faith to see if you'll stay true to him by allowing unspeakable things to happen to these little girls?
I frankly find it amusing when Non-believers ridicule me bacause of my faith. Makes me wonder what they are afraid of.
God Bless these babies (Yes they are nothing more than babies) and bring them home safely.
I wouldn't mock someone's faith, but I doubt non-believers who do so are 'afraid' of anything, they are probably just wondering why you feel the need to put your own personal beliefs out there in public - doesn't praying silently to yourself do the same thing? Personally, I find 'fear' and religion to be more closely aligned than fear and lack of religion.
Chris from Yucaipa, people are free to choose whether to follow God's ways...he gave us that choice when he sent his son to die for us....we all have free will...and if someone used thier "free will" to nab these girls, God is not responsible for that.
Chris from Yucaipa, I've often wondered that myself. I wish I had an answer. There are so many things we don't understand, but have to accept. That's why it's called faith.
Please Understand......there is no place for lack of faith on this forum ....unless you do not have a heart,you are not a parent, a parent lives in faith form the minute the child is born .....Not to get sick ,not to get hurt ,not to get kidnapped ,and all unfortunate possibilities in their life .No insult or offense intended ...Please our God .......console this parents and give them a miracle ....bring this girls home safe.No offense to anyone , that is how I live my life ,in faith ......
For every person praying there needs to be 10 people actually rolling their sleeves up and doing something. That's the problem I have, that faith seems to replace personal responsibility.
Chris from Yucaipa, u r in fact mocking one's faith by trying to make her doubt it. God doesn't make bad things happen to people on purpose or as a test of their faith. That's all the work of Satan himself. It says so in the Bible. John 10:10 "The theif [Satan] comes only to kill, steal and destroy; i [Jesus] have come that they may have life, and have it to the full."
2 girls are missing and we get into a war with religion can we stay focused ppl........Your gonna have believers and non-believers thats just a fact of life......
You can pray that the family will have strength to deal with whatever happens, but if they are gone from this earth, you can pray all you want-they won't be back. That's what many Christians fail to get. They need to say 'If these girls are still alive, I pray that they will be found before this evil monster harms them any further...I pray that law enforcement will track them down in time, etc. etc." Beyond that, no amount of prayer will help except to comfort the families...that is the reality...
Ok, so we should all pray should we? Why? Is there a tipping point where "god" will magically save these girls if enough people pray to him? If, say, one or two million people pray, "god" won't get off his ass to do anything but if it gets up to the 2.5 million range or so then "god" will help? Will "god" relieve the families anguish to a certain extent that is based on how many people pray? I'm giving you godders that there is a god and that he hears our prayers.[which I don't believe] I will give your faith the legitimacy that it doesn't even deserve. What specifically is prayer and more people praying supposed to accomplish here?
hey leroy, I mourn with those who mourn, i try to comfort those who need comfort, to me its more about helping my brothers and sisters around the world, let them know they are not alone in there grief and pain....to me it helps to unify us as one....All of us can help on another during these times.....I do believe, also i respect your desire to not believe......
Pray if you need to, hope if you can.....but back it up all up with action. If you're on Facebook...share the photo and expand the coverage, donate to the reward.....spread the word!
Aside from the differing opinions on religion, I think most of us are on the same page. It's all about doing something to help these girls...so maybe we don't insult each other...just this once....roll up our sleeves and "put our money where our mouths are" so to speak.
Evansdale isn't too far from us. I have friends there helping with the search, and we're spreading the word to everyone we know. Printing off photos of the girls to put up where ever we can.
If your faith can't withstand me asking a few questions, then you don't have much of it. I'm not part of the "just shut up and believe" crowd.
Thank you for your post Reanderson. The comfort angle is a real effect now that you mention it. By saying "I'll pray for you" you are telling the grievers that you think there is a god to pray to, a supernatural realm, that their loved ones aren't really dead, they may have entered this realm. The comfort people get from these fairytale beliefs is the reason I was a silent atheist most of my life and pretty much didn't talk about "god." Why pee on their parade if they are enjoying it? As I lived in this world, however, I began to see the other side of god belief, the negative side. I watched as countless old people were swindled out of everything they had by religious leaders selling their snake oil. And seeing how god belief seemed to be the very spark and fuel behind most wars and conflicts. God belief is bigotry, pure and simple, it fosters hate and non-acceptance. 911 was the tipping point for me. Since then I have railed against the idiocy of god belief and I will for the rest of my life. God belief is virtually the sole motivation of suicide bombers. The god belief thing may indeed comfort those who lost loved ones but it also trivializes what happened to them. The afterlife is childish, wishful fantasy and if they really are dead these girls had the only life they will ever have cut off in childhood. If they were killed then this is what the killer did to them, he did NOT send them into eternal bliss in lala land.
The ones coming on here to knock and criticize another poster because they post a prayer is stupid in it's self. Who are they hurting to post a prayer, when you are in fact posting a negative by attacking their prayer..
I was under the assumption everyone here is entitled to have an opinion and post it as long as it didn't slander another individual or violate the TOS. But the prayer police are as stupid as the grammar police on a forum dedicated to blog about what is happening on the article it is attached to.
Apparently a lot of bloggers have no manners because they are so tough behind their computer screen and don't have the mental capacity to hit the little ignore button besides posts they don't like.
I am an atheist and i am not here to slap someone for posting something thoughtful about the situation, but good gawd I don't enjoy seeing someone attack someone else because they are here to do something positive. Some of you wonder what is wrong with the world well this is what is wrong, the people that enjoy doing something nice for someone else get ravaged by the naysayers because, why, oh it's fun to put someone else down...
I am going back to the topic at hand.. I hope they find those girls safe and sound and bring them home. They should have amber alerts for all children that have went missing just to get their faces out there for communities and neighboring communities to watch for them.
In my speech class we have to speak in front of our city council and I think I will do my speech on why it's important to put a child's face on the news/amber alert just to be seen and watched for, instead of just because we have a description of a car.
Wow! so many people are worrying about what other people are saying.Everyone just stop right where you are and thank about the kids they are most likly scared with out there parents right now. So your job is to post positive things on here so that when the parents read this they feel like people care!
Leroy Brown...Amen. I have been clinically dead 3 times in my lifetime and there was never "heaven" or "hell" or a glowing light that I should have moved towards. There is nothing after death. Also to the nitpickers about the recovery of people missing for more than 24 hours, the real statistic is that rarely (somewhere around 98% of the time) is a child found alive after 24 hours. As for the 48 hours that someone else mentioned, that is the time when a case (murder/abduction) becomes harder to solve (i.e. find the perp) because the clues start going cold. I wish the best outcome possible, but I also live in the real world.
Lori...true...but maybe this family needs all the comfort it can get.
SC_Sweetheart, that's the thing, if there is a God according to the Bible, HE created Satan so no, it's not the work of Satan that caused this. Look at how people revile the people who knew Sandusky was molesting children and did nothing... God is held to a lower standard than man? Why? If these little girls have been hurt they did nothing to deserve this, an act of faith shouldn't include the suffering of innocent children.
JAYBERG says " they are probably just wondering why you feel the need to put your own personal beliefs out there in public"
Welcome to America you twit, We HAVE freedom of religon
Shandril,
I thought that you were going to Europe to live or did you decide this country isn't so "Sucky" after all?
Our prayer's goes out to the family's. That they are brought home safely.
Whenever I hear a story like this I get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. I am hoping that they turn up safe somewhere...
I agree Greg. I have two small children and when I read stuff like this it just makes me nauseous. There are so many mean, bad people out there, but those that cause harm to children are in a whole separate category. I hope these girls are safe and returned to their homes soon.
If these girls were abducted or hurt by a stranger and If that stranger is ever found ... then our judicial system needs to make an example of this person/persons. Enough of handling them with BS laws. Its time to reinstate the highest penalty, death.
So many states have backed away from the death penalty and those that still do put these animals on death row for decades. Its time to put the innocent first and show the criminals they will die if they pursue these heinous acts.
I have to admit, I don't pray much. But in this case, I'll give it my best shot.
Thank you
thank you, it coudnt hurt.
Thoughts and prayers go out to these families.
Thank you Rustyboy-FL, the world needs more like you
Authorities: Issue amber alert NOW! Politics be damned
I sure hope these girls turn up safely. I have three girls of my own and I couldn't imagine being in these parents shoe's. My best to the family.
Lots of weirdo sick people in our society. I think someone would have to be demon possesed to hurt a child or any innocent person for that matter. I hope they find these little girls and they are O,K. Pray for them.
Demon possessed? LOL
Pardon me, I had thought that this was the 21st Century. I had better buy a new calendar!
Shandril,
Go out and buy that calender now. Take your time, since you don't have anything positive to say you won't be missed!
Shandril is a Satan worshiper that uses a big white cross for a dildo.
In this day and age why were these two little girls out unsupervised? Parents should know better than that, your kids disappear from the back yeard now a days. An 8 years and a 10 year old alone on a bike trail? Inviting someting like this to happen. Not trying to be mean but why were they out alone?
Proud Female Veteran... this is a small community in Iowa, it saddens me to see that in other areas of the country people have your mentality and kids aren't allowed to be kids. Riding bikes around town, playing with thier friends, catching frogs by the lake, or out after dark catching bugs. Obviously when something like this happens in my own town, it will make me think the next time my kids want to go out and play, but I will never stop letting them enjoy thier childhood.
Just remember this ppl...not all of these pervs are sicko looking strangers. Look at the number of "trusted" community members that are pedophiles. Just because it's small community means absolutely nothing. As a former psychologist you'd be surprised at the myriad of sick things that go through peoples minds that are not acted upon. Sometimes this sickness happens to stumble upon an opportunity to actually react and get away with it and the person doesn't put on the brakes that have been keeping it locked in the rest of the time.
Midnight...STFU...I know that actually typing the word "dildo" gives you a weird thrill, it doesn't impress any of us. Go to bed.
Shandril...ignore him/her.
There are over 80 million people under the age of eighteen in America. Two went missing. How is this a national crisis?
how is child abduction not a national crisis? Stop sniffin glue...
Shandril, you're an idiot.
Shandril, by making this comment I suspect that you don't have children. If your child was missing, particularly under these circumstances, you would consider it a national crisis too. Most people would be empathetic to the family.
Shandril is obviously a troll
Shandril - hopefully you are unable to reproduce. If it is too late for that, God help any child that would come from you as it will be scarred for life!
As for these two girls from Evansdale, everytime I read an update on this story I just want to cry. I am a mother of two girls and I cannot begin to imagine how these parents are getting through this. These families are in my thoughts and prayers and I hope Elizabeth and Lyric come home safely.
I live an hour from this community and my girls both go to college in Cedar Falls, also part of Waterloo and Evansdale. One of my girls helped in the search on Sunday. She said the people helping are all amazing and are doing everthing they can to find any clues on these missing girls.
shandril, your a hard person, and seem to care little about others.
Shandril is a Satan worshiper that uses a big white cross for a dildo.
Um, because unlike you we're human beings and feel these things called empathy and compassion. You're just an on-line troll, trying to make up for a sad, pathetic life.
Shandril, you obviously have no children. No, it's not a national crisis....unless their YOURS! Everytime a child goes missing, it's a crisis for all of us, especially those of us w/ small children. We can certainly empathize w/ the family and friends of these 2 little girls. Grow up and stop trolling this board!
This is national crisis. As an Americans we should be looking out for one another, especially children. You should care every time you read in the news or hear about a missing child. We need to come together and do what we can to stop this from happening. If they have been taken by some predator, then it is every body's problem, because if the predator is not caught, your child may end up as his next prey.
ANY child being mistreated, or missing, or harmed in any way IS a national crisis. You seem to think people are disposable, and since we have 80 million people under age 18, that if a few go missing we have plenty more. That is a pretty disturbing way to view the children of our country. Do you think the same about adult women who are abused, murdered, or abducted? Or is it just children you think are disposable?
Shandril, are you suicidal? If you hate outwardly that much, it has to be internal also. Please get help! Pray/plead/hope for wisdom. Being bitter because you may have prayed/pleaded or hoped in the past and that desire didn't come to a realization doesn't make it void and useless. Faith, hope and love for ones self and others are the only things that can inspire and carry a person to a better tomorrow. Whether you believe in God or not, to not have these attributes is damning to the soul. If you can't find it in you to be kind...find it in you to be quiet.
everyone just needs to ignore that shandril person, she seems to enjoy getting everyone riled up, and lets just keep those 2 little girls in our prayers, and hope they will be home safe and sound!!
Ummm, we stand together. We are Americans. Its the right thing to do.
"We stand together. We are Americans"
Bullshyte. This is is just another story of MWGS; if this wasn't about two pretty little white girls from Iowa you would never be hearing about it now. Moreover, if you just went looking for the most child molesty white male pedophile in the state you'll find these two girls, and if they aren't there all you have to do is go searching for the second most child molesty white guy in the state. Look it up: white guys just love pedophillia, almost as much as they like arson, not paying child support, and crystal meth.
Don't worry about these little white girls, though. We'll spare no expense and leave no dragnet unswept to make sure little Ashley and Jessica Lynn get back home in time to grow up to be little Zooey Deschannels. We know where our real priorities lie, don't we America: in the suburbs.
ciewywtb42mh6sps-23...you must be one of those who feels like nothing is ever done for you but is done for everyone else. Try doing something for yourself and others may do the same!
There's always a conspiracy nut somewhere in these forums.
Ciewywtb42mh6sps-23..you have some serious anger issues...
I hope that they can find these girls soon and that they are safe
Judging from Shandril's comments above, this person must be bitter about something today. What peed in your Cheerios?
Anyway, this story is most likely national news because it is so rare for 2 girls to vanish together, especially in the Midwest. Will be keeping this family in my thoughts and prayers for a good outcome.
We need to kill all the perverts
My most sincere hopes are that these girls return home safely and unharmed. My thoughts are with these families.
Same sad news everyday where PERVERTS are killing our CHILDREN!!!! Nowadays children aren't safe in their own bedrooms from these vicious cruel deviates!!!!
That's true because a lot of the time these "vicious cruel deviates" are family members!
These days and times no one is safe anywhere. Hopefully these girs will be found safe and unharmed. However, cases like this rarely turnout well. Our prayers go up for the girls and their families.
no one is safe because of lax, useless laws. If we had the death penalty and justice was swift then you would see less of these types of things happening.
seems similar to another case some years ago .
faith will keep us strong. pray for Shandril
Ummmm, nope. Apparently Shandril knows everything and can take care of herself!
The sad thing here is that child predator's are realizing that our small towns are ripe for the picking. I live in Iowa and my son's friend was almost taken a few years ago. The guy hit a small town where there was one cop on duty. When it didn't work he fled, but was later found in another small town doing the same thing. Luckily the one cop on duty happened to be in the area. The sad truth is that this isn't gonna turn out well. I hope this is a wake up call to rural America. You can't let your children go anywhere alone anymore. There are to many dangers. Take the two girls in Texas who were shot while they were sitting by the lake. Even at 17 and 18 they weren't safe. If your gonna let your kids go on a bike ride, get off your ass and go with them. The mother stated it's rare for the girl to venture to far from home. Rare means it's happened before. I feel for the parents but if they woulda went with them this wouldn't have happened.
You are even going to blame the parents on THIS?!?!! You holier than thou jerkoffs who blame the parents every time something like this happens are just too effen much. What the hell do you expect parents to do? Follow their children around, to school, to the store, every single time they go out to play or ride a bike? How exactly can a parent hold down a job so they can feed and clothe their kids if you expect them to be right beside then 24/7? How can they sleep?
I interpreted Derek's comment to mean that small-town America can no longer believe they are immune to crimes like this...which true, sadly. Small towns in the midwest tend to be alot like Mayberry--which is a great atmosphere to raise kids. However, that trusting nature is easily abused and exploited by criminal scumbags.
Hope they find these girls safe & sound.
I hate to tell you this Leroy!, but a child is a parents responsibility. If you don't have the ability to be with them 24/7 you best be paying someone who can.
I'm 24. When I was a kid I spent most of my time outside with one or two friends, riding bikes and walking around. I had a normal childhood. I wasn't online or texting. I was outside all day, exploring with my friends. The sad thing is that I won't let my own kids do the same thing.
Derek & Chevy Girl....Easy comments to make since you obviously don't have children. First, it is IMPOSSIBLE to let your kids experience life when you keep them under watch 24/7. Sooner or later you have to make a choice to either lock them in a closet for the rest of their lives, or let them go out and be normal children, playing w/ friends and growing up. I have a 10 and 14 year old, and believe me, I've thought about this many times. The world is a dangerous place, but like you said, the older teen girls were shot. When as a parent would you suggest that we let them go? 40's, 50's, never? Sooner or later they have to go out and live a normal life. The world will never be totally safe from predators, if this is the case. All you can do is do your best to remind them that they always have to be on the watch for where they are, and what's around them. And hope and pray they heed your words. Kids have to be kids, even at the risk of harm by others. Think before you post again......
Derek, as much as we might like to, we cannot be with our children every moment of every day. It's just not possible. Do not blame the parents. They are suffering enough.
In todays world danger is everywhere. We cannot keep our children safe until we start prosecuting the offenders with Stiff sentences to keep them off the streets and away from our kids.
Fair sentence for anyone abducting/killing a child: Death penalty. Plain and simple. No appeals. No waiting. Once convicted, death within 30days. That would send a message to anyone even thinking of such an act.
Even if we COULD be with our children 24 hours a day, when exactly are they supposed to gain the skills and experiences needed to be independent, if they are locked down and never allowed to have a normal childhood? Are they supposed to magically gain independence when they turn 18, after years of being coddled and watched every second? My 8 and 10 year olds walk home from school together, and walk to the park with their older sister. While it is always scary when an abduction case hits the news, you have to realize that the risk to your child is actually very small. They have a much greater risk of turning into overweight kids (some 30% of kids now) who can't do anything by themselves.
If I were to live in the good old US of A, I'd never let my child out of my sight. Just how many pedophiles do you all have out there, anyway? My god, it's terrifying. Do you know how many kids go missing in your country never to be found again? Does that not scare you? There are sexual offenders living in every county of every state of the U.S. just watching and waiting to get their hands on your kids. Why isn't there a national conversation going on about this? Don't you care about your children?
You don't hear about this kind of stuff happening in other countries. Rarely it does, but nowhere to the extent it does in the U.S. Only a few cases make the national news, but it happens EVERY DAY in the U.S. What is it about your country that makes people turn out this way? Your country is full of rapists, pedophiles, child abusers and murderers. Why is that? That's not including the rest of the criminals out there. You really are a moral-less nation no matter how much you try and tell yourselves differently. You need to get honest about it and try and do something about all the evil psychopaths that roam your nation-it's YOUR kids in danger, not mine.
I know you'll jump all over my comments because a) the truth hurts and b) Americans can criticize their country all they want but let an outsider do it and they blow a gasket. Say what you want because I won't be coming back to check these comments and I really don't care what you say so just talk to yourself because I won't see it...plus, I can let my kids ride their bikes freely without worrying about someone snatching, raping and killing them because that stuff doesn't happen where I live-EVER. Like I said, get pissed at me all you want-it's YOUR kids who live in danger, not mine. I don't have to watch my kids 24/7 lest some monster snatch them...my kids can be kids without worrying about that...so instead of getting pissed at my comments, actually face the reality of the situation and push your lawmakers to make stiffer penalties for these pervs and pray that it serves as some kind of deterrent...MAYBE, but probably not.
You are so naive Lori-227098! Wherever it is that you live and are allowing your children to go and roam freely without any caution for the evils of the WORLD, you are neglecting them in this manner. Everywhere in the entire world there are evil people. Everywhere. No where is a safe haven. Not here on this Earth. What a waste of time for you to post such garbage. The only part I do agree on is the need for more effective punishment. The death penalty should be immediate and dispensed much more often. Other then that, everything you said is purely hateful talk. You obviously hate the US.
Lori - again, what country do you live in??
You like it there, move there. We finally had a response to I Love NY signs in CA. You like NY, move there. Crime, whether it be molesting a child or whatever, it has no race or culture.
What a dingbat (said like Archie Bunker).
Are you serious? The death penalty IMMEDIATELY? What if you've got the wrong person? It's happened SO MANY TIMES. Particularly using VICTIM IDENTIFICATION! Mob rule and lynchings are illegal in the U.S., which is fortunate, particularly if we've got a bunch of people like you who can't control your emotions enough to see straight.
Most Americans will not accept any criticism of their country Lori, you may as well talk to a brick wall. Most Americans are convinced that their country is the greatest in the history of mankind, always will be and that's that. Anyone who disagrees with this is seen as an enemy who "hates" America. They even try to rationalize the completely unprovoked, unnecessary, immoral, unethical invasion of a sovereign nation and the senseless slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent people as somehow "helping" Iraq. They actually BLAME the people of Iraq for not accepting their "help," and it matters not that virtually every country in the world would jail Bush or Cheney for America's war crimes if they ever set foot in another country. Everyone else is wrong and America is right! The arrogance and self-righteousness of these people is absolutely mind-numbing.
Leroy brown and lori... guess what? Americans do know what goes on in the world, we all don't agree with sending our men to foreign countries to fight battles that are not our own. We also do not agree with letting the pervs and murderers in our country sit in prisons with better treatment then most of us can get. Do not blame the people. Do not blame the parents of these girls either. You two are reading too much propaganda to know that the people of the USA are not in agreement with our government and we know that some things are just plain wrong. So don't profile all Americans with your blinders on.
When the people stop arrogantly bragging about how much better their country is than the rest of the world, [and you ALL chant the "America is the greatest" mantra like a bunch of cultists] I'll stop criticizing them. There's plenty of jobs where I live, free universal healthcare, many government programs available for help paying education costs for tose who can't afford it, believe me Joy, Canada is a paradise compared to your country with a strong middle class and a much smaller income disparity.
Your country is infested by a gang of corporate thugs out to actually INCREASE your income disparity which is the WORST IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, even worse than the most backwards banana republics! Greed rules your toxic, murderous nation like no other. Worst. that's right America, worst. Say it again and again until it sinks through your brainwashed, "America is the greatest" minds. And for god's sake send that entire gang of greedy, amoral thugs and their scumbag leader Mitt[I don't believe a word of what I say myself] Romney, packing for good. These scum are so dirty and diabolical they are INTENTIONALLY hurting the country, slowing the recovery, and half you people are going to vote for them? I understand your education system is in shambles but my god, are you really THAT stupid?
Don't act like you are not in the USA i followed your email and yes you do at least live in the USA.
You are really big on the child abduction news. I noticed those are the only ones you comment on.
Do you have some PERSONAL issues about this subject i see?
I found out that you both live in the USA. I suspect you are illegals. So once again, shut it about things that do not affect you and a subject you know nothing about coming from your third world 5hite-hole country.
Just want country do you live in Lori that is such a utopia pf pleasantness and safety?
I don't now, nor have I EVER lived in the USA. I only visited the USA once for about two weeks back in 82 when I drove down to LA from Edmonton. You know nothing pal.
Sorry Lori, and possibly Leroy. I lived in England for 4 years, just after 9/11 and the child abductions were on the news constantly. It amazed me, too...The country is covered by CC cameras and they still could not find the children or the abductors...why not? The town I lived in was 96.3% covered by CC cameras and that was about statistically average for about every town and village and city that I had heard the stats for. To say that that sort of crime NEVER happens where you're from is just unrealistic...maybe not your village/town, but it does happen in your country (what Canada?...it happens in Canada too.
I never said it didn't Ouch, in fact, I live in a pretty rough neighbourhood myself. We don't run around with loaded hand guns much though you're probably more likely to get beat up. Guns are for pussies who can't stand up for themselves.
Lori is probably in her basement in Chicago...
leroy...really? My ex is from Canada..and from what he's told me...you guys have your fair share of sick monsters, too.
I hope these girls are found safe.
They were most likely abducted by someone who has a criminal record, who lives nearby, who is familiar with the lake, and who has been watching children there for some time.
These poor people, two of the family's children missing. They must be crazed with worry, I hope for their safe return.
I hope these little girls are found & that they're alright. It's really sad that children can't play outside anymore without the fear of them being taken...
I, too, am praying the girls will be found safe and alive. I also know that since it is now Monday morning and they haven't been found it doesn't look very promising. Yes, there are men (and even evil women) who would abduct or aid in these girls abduction for sex trade. There are those who would force the younger girl to have sex unfortunately.
I would have to agree with you, ED ORR, unfortunately. The reason I say this is because, young girls like these USUALLY NEVER venture out too far from home. They have their bikes to take them home rather quickly.
But...there are SICKOS out and about, who PREY on these children. You don't have to be rich like Sandusky to be able to do this. I am guessing that someone in a VAN....talked to them, invited them for some ice cream and coke, (because of the heat), and the girls accepted.
This is the scenario I'm thinking about. I hope I'M WRONG. But...I've READ so many reports like this....."The DEVIL never sleeps."