George apologized for it, so it doesn't sound "untrue"....

It explains why he was "estranged" from his family...and why his name was taken off the family home in St Mary's.

Where in the article does it say he apologized?

Gee, my cousin showed me his and got slapped. What kind of family waits years to bring up this crap? Not much of a family if you don't handle this touchy-feely internally. How much are yellow journalists paying for this?

Going this low? How much investigation into Trayvon's racial prejudice against Hispanics has been done? A lot of animosity between Blacks and Hispanics in Miami.

I LISTENED to the interview.

http://www.local10.com/blob/view/-/15530710/data/1/-/rm3t0yz/-/Witness-9---1.null

Asked if she could cite a specific instance where Zimmerman expressed racial bias, the witness said she could not recall one, and did not know of specific actions he had taken against black people in the past."It’s just a known thing that that’s how the family feels," she said.

Notice she cant cite one instance where Z expressed racial bias? Well its just a known fact, she says..

George apologized for it, so it doesn't sound "untrue"....

Link please..

sam, same crap with Trayvon...everyone is calling him all these different things, thug, punk, etc..yet no one is offering proof.. Rather than speculate, lets see what happens at trial. However, no matter the verdict i will always think and call this man a coward. Thats what i call those who shoot unarmed teenagers...and when you approach someone, and get your butt whipped..turning around and killing them is retaliation, not self defense. He could have gotten up and walked away, sure his ego would be damaged but thats his problem for acting tough because he had a gun...wanna be cop and all that.

jo-ann posted the link it's an interview.

He was 8, she was 6. That's hardly Chester the molester.

"an unnamed witness"

Wow, well folks you read it on the internet. That must mean it's true!

gol gee gosh by golly!

lol...

Of course...

ST George molested his cousin....for 10 years...SO WHAT?

It's standard behavior for zimmie lovers.

It is a fact that Zimmerman shot an unarmed teen; no one disputes that. I do not believe he acted in self defense after what he said and the other witnesses said. I hope he is found guilty and sent to prison for killing Treyvon.

This witness does not sound believable to me. She is only two years younger than him.... she tells a twisted tale but it lacks any credibility. She sounds like a person who is looking for attention..... I cannot understand why they would use her testimony.

Poster boy of the right wingers: racist, gun nut, and "loves" his family. Well, that's your man crush, so enjoy :D

Whats the point here? There are millions of white people who don't like black people..and millions of black people who don't like white people..and millions of black & white people who don't like latino's and millions of black and white and latinos who don't like asians..and millions of others who don't like anyone!!!

Vegains, I guess you missed the part that said the abuse began at the age of 6 and continued until she was 16.

And a boy that starts molesting at age 8 is a serious concern. That is an extremely young age to begin offending. If this is true; and I listened to the interview, and it certainly rings true, right down to her speech patterns as she talking about the abuse; he was showing signs of being a sociopath at the age of 8.

As far as florida law and the stand your ground...why is it gz cannot pack a pistol into the courtroom each day, after all he still remains innocent of murder charges. there's one for ya NRA! why not go after that too.

wow out of 22 witnesses listed one says gz may have been prejudiced, well one out of 22 is not bad odds.

But if Barry had a son, he would look just like Trayvon. Therefore we must burn Zimmerman now! lmao... all bow to the annoited one!

There's probably a large percentage of the population that's uncomfortable with other races. I've known asians to be especially biased against blacks for whatever reason I don't however see how her perception would serve any purpose other than to bias a jury and can't imagine any judge allowing it. Seems to me the justice system is allowing anything negative against this guy maybe to keep the peace. And him being a perv is irrelevant.

But it is yucky. Phew!

This is one person's opionion and it's a headline? I am sure you could find someone who would testify that ANYONE is racist, a pig, etc.... THis basically means NOTHING as to what happened that night.

GOD you people are so damn STUPID!!!! This is how the FL legal system WORKS!!!! its ALL PUBLIC RECORD for gods sake... Youre gonna bash a new station for REPORTING on public record???

The big question for those questioning Witness #9 Validity, that's his cousin why would she lie? Could it be that he is such a BAD person she wants him locked up? Something to think about.

I don't really have an opinion about Zimmerman's guilt or not guilt, but I listened to the interview and Vic9 says she tried to tell and wanted to tell and didn't know how and thought she did. I understand that a young child can't articulate what was going on, but a 14, 15, 16 year old should be able to and then her parents found out when she was 16 and they didn't confront him until she was 20 and why wait until he's being tried for murder to bring it to law enforcement? I don't know if it's true or not, but the timing seems a little odd and her story sounds so inconsistent. Again that doesn't mean it didn't happen just seems weird.

It goes to character of the person.

Exactly, Sam.

@Sam..

The woman said she finally told her parents in 2005 when she was 20. She said her parents called Zimmerman to a meeting at a pizza restaurant in Lake Mary."

Instead of talking about it, all he did was come in the room, come in the restaurant, he sat down on the end of the booth and he said 'I'm sorry' and just got up and walked out ... my parents, their jaws dropped," the woman said.

Blacks have been villified in this country since they came to these shores many years ago. Could anyone be suprised that the Zimmerman family may not have liked blacks? Please. No white former enemies of this country have been white have ever received such treatment. Germans, Russians, Southerners, all part of efforts to destroy america are wlecome here. Blacks, many who have been here for multiple generations have never received the same welcome.

It is about the narrative. Whites have controlled the narrative on blacks from the beginning. He who controls the narrative controls how you are defined. Blacks have been defined as "less than" from the beginning. They have been constantly underestimated, undervalued and marginalized. THose are the facts.

However, there are those who want to pretend that things have always been totatlly equal, even though they are not now, and clearly do not understand why racism is an issue.

@Subliminal....So let me get this right. You personally know almost all black people?

For the life of me, I don't know why Zimmerman didn't say "Stop! I have a gun, I'll shoot if you continue this."

Trigger happy?

And this has what to do with whether or not Zimmerman acted in self-defence ????

Would make a difference whether or not GZ's story is creditable. If there is any evidence that GZ did not like black, especially those roaming his territory, it could give the jury an idea whether GZ really had to shoot to kill in self defense. Especially if Martin was crying for help.

In DC blacks stand on the street corner with bull horns talking about killing whitey. Apparently that comes under free speech. As to this witness, sounds like it is her 15 minutes of fame.

CuongDNguyen...(#1.35).."For the life of me, I don't know why Zimmerman didn't say "Stop! I have a gun, I'll shoot if you continue this."

Trigger happy?"

You do realize the physical confrontation lasted about a minute...and the Police that Zimmerman knew were coming got there 40 seconds after the shot was fired....Are you suggesting he shot Trayvon as quick as he could just so he could kill him before the Cops got there ????.....Or maybe he didn't think he could take anymore head bashing into the sidewalk ???

It is really no surprise that he dislikes blacks. One of the first interviews I saw (in April) one of his friends said he had racial issues. As for the molestation of his cousin, That too does not surprise me. It is showing his character, Lies and deception and power trips to control people. But what really surprises me is that so many people GAVE him money.

Hey people I am out of work(can't get work because of this. will you all send me money to help me with my legal bills ( ER, I mean go on a vacation to live it up on your dime. Sarcasm for those that do not know it.)How could people fall for that. IMHO I look at that money like payment (blood money) of a killing Trayvon, totally distastefull.

Martin Family Attorney Crump is out there comparing Zimmerman to Sandusky.....THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THE PERSECUTION WANTED THIS RELEASED ...to trash him in the press whether any of it us true or not...even though it won't ever be admissible at trial....the allegation is out there now.

@ Mike in Delray

When you are in confrontation, you don't just pull weapon and shoot right away, that is what Zimmerman did.

For normal people, there is a slight hesitation of pulling weapon and a pause of like 5 seconds. Travor would have see that and back off or run. So yes, Zimmerman could have avoid the whole thing with only both of them getting hurt.

Mike in delRay,

Or maybe he didn't think he could take anymore head bashing into the sidewalk ???

For one in fear of his life, The head had cuts and from the photos no swelling. I have had my head knocked about before and there was a lot of swelling, and it was within a few minutes afterI smacked my head. The bashing of his head into the sidewalk must not have been very hard. If you get your head hit on a hard surface the skin would POP! open with a good sized split(gash) and they would not be just cuts. I do not believe that part of his story at all but that is just me I guess. But to each his own opinion.

Even IF (big IF) Zimmerman didn't like black people, that doesn't mean Martin didn't attack him and it doesn't mean he didn't fire in self defense. This whole character assassination thing is just the norm for how liberals operate these days.... It's really sad.

When the shoe is on the other foot, they scream "Don't rush to judgement", but when it's one of their own they feel has been wronged, you can't rush to judgement fast enough!

CuongDNguyen...(#1.42)..."When you are in confrontation, you don't just pull weapon and shoot right away, that is what Zimmerman did.

For normal people, there is a slight hesitation of pulling weapon and a pause of like 5 seconds."

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Where do you get such experience that ,that is what "normal" people do ???

In my training I am taught if I ever have to draw my weapon....I will fire as soon as it is out of the holster, my forearm at my waist, pointing center mass.....you NEVER take the time to outstretch your arms ....it may give your attacker the opportunity to knock the gun out of the way .....or time to shoot you or stab you....It's NOT a video game or show on TV.....It's Life or Death....

Honestly, why do so many people still care about this circus? It's only a distraction from things that really matter right now.

Wow... Zim hates Blacks.... I actually held (despite the Liberal bias) that the Viners were intelligent and not "bite" at every story that is slanted to paint either one way or the other... oh well Here is the links... The story just is an allegation but has no root in evidence:

This is the letter he wrote defending a homeless blackman against police brutality...

//www.scribd.com/doc/87840105/Zimmerman-Letter-to-Sanford-Churches

This is the story related to this:

//news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-demanded-discipline-2010-race-related-beating-officers-051804872.html?fb_action_ids=10151485039985422&fb_action_types=news.reads&fb_ref=type%3Aread%2Cuser%3ApdY64D3E3UioLb4QB1xYUtdAoVU&fb_source=other_multiline&code=AQB-5mDPu2qd4n5MDRD31lGO7NzFkQChHD2TFV_njkZZhChQpTyzl_iYPhA5SqeEWAqFSgMkk55PSB7EO3v9d466WpKaj7Zv8hHG6PN9oGTqA1XH6awbtIyzPJBXnX7phbkQIdAotgs7YOOiJ6yAGqfR-65DwdxiH1wE73tZmxxuh9AGPqZiVnVoJ0t0jGFWRSs#_=_

Sorry... just don't by the line of this story.... also I'me mentioned this on other threads but let me outline it a little better.. You have a Gun... I don't know this.. but hey.. I don't like you (whatever the reason) I approach you, mount you, bash your head and punching you... When do you want me to stop?

Hold the Presses!!!

A new witness has come forward. Witness #685. This woman says she knows for sure Zimmerman shot Lincoln, killed his mother's doctor's dog, and ran three red lights in downtown New York City!!! Not only that, she is positive he was Hitler's driver and the guy that really shot Jack Kennedy!!!

So, we have an entire article based upon an unnamed, and unknown, and maybe nonexistent witness. How much worse can s**t like this get, and still get foisted off on us as journalism? Disgusting!

I wonder why the FBI said they couldn't find any evidence that Zimmerman was a racist. Didn't they interview this woman???

Spider I agree. This article is regarding an unproven allegation. Where else but America can you accuse anyone of anything without proof or evidense to back you up. Free speech. You can defame and slander a person to your hearts content and unless they have the time and money to take you to court to prove they lost money by your action theres nothing they can do. Don't think this is what the founding Fathers had in mind. Whats the background on this cousin? She tried and tried to tell but kept going back for more. Odd. Is she mentaly sound? Who else molested her? Why is she believed without hesitation?I just don't understand.

Not liking "something" (an interesting choice of word vs. "someone") is not against the law. Shooting that "something/someone" because of that dislike is.

I'm not surprised. The guy is a racist POS who Trayvon Martin because he didn't like the color of Trayvon's skin. The 911 operator told him to get back into his car and go home, but Zimmerman refused. I hope they throw the book at him and his ends up spending his the rest of his life in a small prison cell with a very large African-American man who is interested in exploring his own sexuality (and that of others). Have fun George - it's what you get for killing an innocent, unarmed teenager for no other reason than being black.

Meh! For this to be submitted as testimony in a court case is very different than it a witness statement to the police. If she were to get on the stand, the defense could do everything it wanted to impeach her testimony. The molestation stuff won't be submitted to the jury, unless the defense opens that line of questioning since it has nothing to do with the murder charges.

It's all unimportant anyway, since it does not get to the heart of this case: can you use a "Stand Your Ground" defense if you instigate the conflict?!

I don't like blacks or whites or mexicans or jews or any other race! I do like some people of many races, I don't know someone of every single race.

I don't hate everyone of any race.

Oh, and I've never quite killed anyone of any race.

I wonder if Zimmerman and Elmer Fudd are related...

Zimmerman's head looks a lot like Elmers head...and in certain pictures... Zimmerman looks a lot like he could be Elmer Fudds son... or brother...

This article makes it sound like witness #9 just wanted her 15 minutes of fame and nothing more. She made claims of racial bias but could not recall any, why not?

I'm not a Zimmerman fan but didn't NPR just report how the FDLE/FBI found "no credible sources" that supported his being a racist? An idiot with a wanna-be hero complex perhaps, but not racist. Don't recall seeing that story on MSNBC. I guess if it doesn't stir the pot they don't consider it news worthy.

The justice process is moving forward with this case, let it do it's work. If there is evidence to support whatever the outcome then let the judgment be based on that evidence, not some unrelated claim. If he did something horrible to someone else then they should press charges and when this trial is over he can be tried for those if warranted, but such has little to do with this case.

The media needs to quit trying to make a sad tragedy into a racial story, when there is little to no evidence suggesting such.

Mo-563393

Spider I agree. This article is regarding an unproven allegation. Where else but America can you accuse anyone of anything without proof or evidense to back you up. Free speech. You can defame and slander a person to your hearts content and unless they have the time and money to take you to court to prove they lost money by your action theres nothing they can do. Don't think this is what the founding Fathers had in mind.

I guess what you are saying doesn't count when it is applied to Tea Party birtherism and other other right wing over the top crap laid on Obama, eh?

Did Z molest Tor did he shoot him? This is relevant to the case how? was Z afraid of being killed or molested?

It is relevent as it goes to the character of Zimmerman which is a primary component of his defense. As to Trayvons fears that night... a grown ass man stalked him in a vehicle and then on foot it is a definate possibility he feared Zimmerman was a predator. And from what we have learned to date about the content of Zimmermans character with damned good reason.

The woman, identified in various reports and in taped interviews with investigators as witness 9, said that from the age of six to 19 Zimmerman repeatedly fondled her, at times penetrating her vagina with his finger.

A number of news sources have reported that the woman is a relative of the Zimmerman family, though her exact relationship to Zimmerman was redacted from the interview recording. Zimmerman's legal team, in a statement released later Monday night, identified the woman as a cousin.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/george-zimmerman_n_1676729.html

I dont see any inconsistence in her story at all from this tragic circumstances. Been going on for almost a decade and she finally told her sister, then her sister told her family. Family ended up stopping this and all Zimmerman say was sorry at the restaurant.

This is not a random woman but his cousin. I doubt any one want to fake this story for 15 mins of fame. For money? Where? Once the civil suit is over, Zimmerman will be left penniless.

I though you would have learned from Sandusky scandal. That pervert molested kids for decades. And these victims didn't say a word well into their adulthoods. Many victims end up not telling anyone due to embarrassment and out of fear.

At least the cousin spoke up when she was 19 or 20. I bet you the cousin's sister and parents can easily back up her claim since Zimmerman made a halfa$$ appology saying "sorry" then leaving the restaruant.

There is absolutely nothing wrong being white or black in the USA..the problem is which one are you?

Abe Lincoln said it well..he had a dream..but the future turned it into a nitemare!

The prosecution is using her statements to establish Zimmerman's character. There is no hard evidence against Zimmerman and it sounds like any and all witnesses are not reliable.

It is possible for Zimmerman to be coherent enough to get off a shot after having his head knocked on pavement, as shock and/or disorientation aren't always instant, and with the rain, any blood could have been easily washed away. Also if his nose was broken, that is something not an easy task to self inflict, and is unlikely.

The real question remains, just who initiated the conflict at hand ? Also, did Zimmerman feel in threat of his life ? Or was he the initiator of the said events that ended with the death of young man who may have overreacted to Zimmerman's advances ?

If there's one thing that I've observed throughout my life, jurors make some dumb decisions. There's no telling how this one's going to turn out.

It's amazing to me that there are still Zimmie supporters out there after this comes out! This man is a scumbag - pure and simple! And, the more that comes out about him, the more that becomes apparent. The fact that people send money to a man like this tells me that there is still too much hatred in people's hearts - and that that hatred is blind. It doesn't matter that Zimmie is a liar, a pedophile, a racist, a wife-beater. All that matters is that he's "white enough" and that he killed a black "thug", so that somehow makes him a hero. What a sick, sick world we live in!

NEWS: Some @!$%# we made up from a "witness" with no name, who couldn't cite an example of racism except to say "Hurpy Durp, I know it there". The really sad part is those of you so emotionally invested in convicting Zimmerman are just eating it up without a thought

MSNBC keeps on slanting the reporting.... out of 22 witnesses, they report the only one who said anything suggesting GZ was racist.

Team TM seizes on it like its proof of murder, when reality is GZ could be a member of the KKK and it would still be justifiable self defense.... TM knocked him to the ground and was beating him....

there is no excuse for aggravated assault ever period. it sucks that TM died, but maybe he shouldn't have knocked somebody to the ground and tried to bash his head in for simply following him. He's had a slight anger issue there.

You team TM people need to grow up... GZ is gonna walk.... as he should.

It's sad how the first people to cry racism are nearly always the racists.... they seize on any difference in race and try to make it the reason for conflict in our society... or worse yet, let politicians use them for it in an election year.... and that drags the USA down right at the time we need to be working together to fix it.

You follow me...stalk me....late at night ...in the rain...I'm afraid...I don't know who you are. I turn around and there you are in my face. I start fighting because I think I am in danger....I am because you just pulled a gun and shot me when I was defending myself against a stranger.

How sad that so many of you evil, sick people think this is OK. Maybe next time it will be YOUR child.

MSNBC is reaching at straws along with the defense because like it or not they do not have a case. In order to prove the case and win it you will have to prove he had ill will towards anyone who was black which has been disproved by a unbiased FBI report after researching Zimmerman. Plus people seem to have forgotten that he was involved with helping youth of every color. This has been blown up after a punk attacked him and he retaliated as I would have done, you beat my head into the concrete and I am unable to defend myself I would fear for my life and shoot the person also. The case will never go to conviction and the best the prosecution will get is reckless endangerment, nothing else. Before you convict look up the statutes and see what the requirement is for second degree murder, he had to have the intent and not just reacting to a fluid situation.

youhaveissues,

ummmm you have issues

nobody thinks its immediately life or death when they turn around and are surprised...

no 5'8" obese guy ever runs down a 5'11' football player

and nobody defends themselves by breaking someones nose AND knocking them to the ground AND bashing their head on the ground AND mounting them so they can't get away AND continuously punching them in spite of cries for help.

I hope your kid never has a 5'11"' football player on top of them beating them, with their nose broken and gashes on the back of their head, screaming for help with nobody coming....

For those claiming Z was severely injured, get a grip. He had a closed fracture of the nose and two scrapes on his head. No stitches and no taping needed, a closed fracture is just a hairline fracture nothing more, I've gotten worse from my infant son throwing his head around as he was learning to control it. Maybe I should have shot him. I've never heard such tripe in my life and for the group who keep saying that Trayvon was making some illegal mix to get drunk on.. Where did you get that? I drink tea, and eat Skittles.. Zimmerman started and finished this whole thing and only insecure, racist, bigots would think otherwise or make up excuses for a grown man to chase around a kid doing absolutely nothing wrong.

OH and do a little research, he had two racism and bullying complaints at two different jobs.

Karen Scharpsvia Facebook Comment collapsed by the community

". . . . How much investigation into Trayvon's racial prejudice against Hispanics has been done? A lot of animosity between Blacks and Hispanics in Miami."

Have you _evidence_— that Martin was racist? No, you don't; rather, being a racist, you simply make it up.

By contrast, during the protests over the non-arrest of Zimmerman, his father, naming names, cursed out the blacks who were protesting -- but said nothing whatsoever about the whites protesting. In short: his father is so steeped in racism he is incapable of seeing it for what it is: blatantly obvious racism.

As it was Zimmerman, not Martin, who grew up with Mr. Zimmerman, it is obvious which of the two was inculcated with racism.

Add in the fact that Zimmerman's father is a former judge, so has connections and can pull strings; which is probably why Zimmerman expects to get away with not only lying to the court but also racially motivated murder.

I suggest you check yourself out for your racism, instead of avoiding that individual responsibility by projecting it onto a victim who isn't alive to defend himself against the racist smears against him.

The racists, in order to pretend they have a legitimate argument, leave out key evidence:

1. Zimmerman, trained in Neighborhood Watch, KNEW he was NOT to carry ANY weapon, legal or not. He did so anyway.

2. He also knew he was not to follow or confront _alleged— suspects. He did so anyway.

Chasing a person and seeking a confrontation is not self-defense.

An unnamed witness who grew up around George Zimmerman contacted authorities after the shooting death of Trayvon Martin because she feared that Zimmerman was motivated by a prejudice against black people, she said in recorded conversations with investigators. The witness also alleges that Zimmerman molested her over the course of a decade, starting when she was 6 years old.

...and the liberal media apparently doesnt like Mexicans. Why doesn't this article headline "Zimmerman allegedly sexually molests girl." That surely takes precedence over alleged bias does it not? Strange.

oldhamletman

MSNBC keeps on slanting the reporting.... out of 22 witnesses, they report the only one who said anything suggesting GZ was racist.

Team TM seizes on it like its proof of murder, when reality is GZ could be a member of the KKK and it would still be justifiable self defense.... TM knocked him to the ground and was beating him....

Fact: Zimmerman KNEW he was NOT to carry a weapon as an alleged Neighborhood Watch volunteer. He did so anyway.

Fact: Zimmerman knew he was NOT to follow, chase, or confront ALLEGED suspects. He did so anyway.

Zimmerman was armed and sought the confrontation. That is not self-defense. Martin, unarmed, acted in self-defense. And that was after Zimmerman began the confrontation.

Zimmerman blatantly lied to the court, so his word is not to be believed without objective evidence supporting it.

The racists' lying doesn't alter those facts, howevermuch they try to ignore them by trying and convicting a dead boy, by making up unfounded allegations, who can't defend himself with his side of the story.

Have you _evidence_— that Martin was racist? No, you don't; rather, being a racist, you simply make it up.

This is exactly what libs do hehe. Talk about calling the kettle black. If I recall correctly, a certain network aired an edited 911 tape with the exact intent to portray just that. Amazing.

"Mo-563393

". . . . This article is regarding an unproven allegation. Where else but America can you accuse anyone of anything without proof or evidense to back you up."

That Zimmerman apologized for the molestation is tantamount to admitting it. So it is an allegation proven by Zimmerman himself.

Stop defending the thug by omitting some facts, and making up other lies and asserting them as if facts.

Kornfed

Have you _evidence_— that Martin was racist? No, you don't; rather, being a racist, you simply make it up.

This is exactly what libs do hehe. Talk about calling the kettle black. If I recall correctly, a certain network aired an edited 911 tape with the exact intent to portray just that. Amazing.

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Your name-calling is not argument. And you present not a shred of evidence for ANY of your assertions.

By contrast, that Zimmerman APOLOGISED for the molestation is ADMISSION that the molestation occurred, so it is proven, not merely alleged.

Of course, we know for certain that Zimmerman is a liar, so perhaps his admission was a lie.

Mexicans don't like Puerto Ricans or Cubans. So what?

Your name-calling is not argument. And you present not a shred of evidence for ANY of your assertions

Exhibit A...

http://digitaljournal.com/article/322291

I have a better case than the prosecution!

The fact that he molested #9 over a period of years has nothing to do with this case and will not be submittable in court however,

The fact that she said he & his family are racists sure as hell is not going to help him.

If you ask me, with all this media, It'll probably wind up being a hung jury.

LULU is a lying sack of BULL@!$%#!!! NO one stands on any street corner in DC with a bullhorn talking that trash and you know it. You are a racist, there is no other word or name for you. Please stay the hell out of the city that I was born and raised in. And before you begin a new diatribe, NO I do NOT receive any form of public assistance and yes I work damn hard for a living as do my family members. I will try to pray for you.

The fact that she said he & his family are racists sure as hell is not going to help him.

If we are to assume she is telling the truth about molestation, would you then not have to discard the racist accusations due to motivation of retribution?

Okay so this female states that GZ molested her for a long time? Why not come forward before this? Why not go to the police and file a report? Why not press charges against him? Why wait? I am not 100% sold that GZ actually acted correctly (being a neighborhood watch AND following someone suspicious) but in almost every story you can see the "opportunists" come out of the woodwork for their 5 minutes of fame or their chance to jump on the money wagon. I believe that there is a special place in H#&& for people like that.

Now, if it is true (and she totally should have reported it sooner and with technology as it is and has been, could have recorded-audio or video- to gain the proof needed against him) then he should be placed on the girney (sp?) and the needles should be plunged.

Opportunists sicken me!

http://articles.philly.com/2012-05-11/news/31656184_1_shabazz-new-black-panthers-political-party

http://www.adl.org/NR/exeres/CB48ACA0-25CD-4C18-899E-C6F2FAD36E7D,DB7611A2-02CD-43AF-8147-649E26813571,frameless.htm

http://www.usccr.gov/NBPH/USCCR_NBPP_report.pdf

http://nationalblackfootsoldiernetwork.blogspot.com/

Regardless Zimmerman called the 911 operator told her that "These people are always getting away with stuff" Followed this young boy with a gun and continued to complain about him being in his neighborhood then the 911 Dispatcher told him that police were notified and not to continue or pursue the boy. Zimmerman refused to listen and pressed on disobeying instructions from the Operator and the police. He confronted him and engaged him against the instructions of Police and their dispatcher. He tried to bully him and intimidate him asking him questions he had no right to ask and if asked in reverse order would have been seen as a conflict also. This boy had tea and skittles and was going back home to his Fathers girlfriends house and he was 17. Zimmerman "Killed this boy" because he would not follow directions and by his own testimony stated he himself had been drinking. Zimmerman is guilty and that is the undisputed facts of this case.

My comment 1-33 here was "collapsed by the community even though it had 20 likes. What is the process on this collapsing? Is it okay to collpase something that is true simply because you do not like it?

You notice how they're dredging through his childhood and his family's attitudes in their attempt to pin a thought crime on him in addition to his present troubles. Seems to me they're going to extremes to ensure a conviction. The prosecution is going a long way with their character assassination (who else would have leaked the "molester" charge news to the media?)

Now this other "victim" pops up accusing Zimmerman of molestation. We all know that when someone is accused of that crime people become unhinged. Even if found innocent Zimmermans's reputation is destroyed and he'll be treated as if he is/was guilty but managed to beat the rap somehow. I don't think I believe the charge. I think this woman and her lee..oops..lawyer figure they can help themselves to a chunk of Z's large donated defense fund. A la Michael Jackson, the accusation will be withdrawn/fade away after a large payment finds it's way into her bank account.

Well, the prosecution has managed to throw some of the major hot button crimes aganst Zimmerman. Can't they prove his guilt of murder without all of this BS to confuse the issue? Every single one is guaranteed to provoke a lot of feeling. It will be very interesting to see how this case will be handled in court.

Karen Scharpsvia Facebook Comment collapsed by the community

Gee, my cousin showed me his and got slapped. What kind of family waits years to bring up this crap? Not much of a family if you don't handle this touchy-feely internally. How much are yellow journalists paying for this?

Going this low? How much investigation into Trayvon's racial prejudice against Hispanics has been done? A lot of animosity between Blacks and Hispanics in Miami.

The same type of people that came out in the sandusky trial. It's not unusual for folks to come out with deep secrets many yrs later.

The prosecutor must be getting really desperate because she knows that she is going to get an asskicking at trial. None of this crap is admissible or relevant.

Hmmm! Many people are of the opinion that George must be guilty and deserves all the court dishes out because of possible past actions. However, the character of trayvon is above reproach despite his past actions.

Oops, I almost forgot - this is BSNBC.

mike in Delray said

In my training I am taught if I ever have to draw my weapon....I will fire as soon as it is out of the holster, my forearm at my waist, pointing center mass.

Basically you are a trained killer. And is it not true that you are also required to empty your weapon on the subject you are shooting at? This is a question not an attack. Some troopers I have talked to say that if they do not expend every round at their subject they are reprimanded for not doing so, Or is that just Bull?

In some cases (not all ) the central mass is to save your life, But to many time people are killed that did not need to be or were not as big a threat as they thought they were to there life, but still aim for their chest. The point is there is only one side to the story if you kill the other guy, and since you are a cop you know what I mean. So did George.

"an unnamed witness"

Wow, well folks you read it on the internet. That must mean it's true!

gol gee gosh by golly!

lol...

~

(PS: There. That's for collapsing it. You get to read it again)

The 17 yr old adult;

1) was suspended from school FACT

2) he had been in trouble for bullying (hitting) a bus driver FACT

3 he was caught with stolen goods FACT

4) he was caught with drugs INCORRECT: He had a baggie with marijuana residue, no actual drugs.

5) he was caught sneaking around homes by a Watch Captain INCORRECT: He was walking up a public sidewalk, not "caught sneaking around."

6) he sneaked up on and sucker punched the Watch Captain CONJECTURE on your part.

7) at the time he was stopped from murdering the Watch Captain he had on him two of the three ingredients for making "LEAN" (watermelon flavored "tea" and Skittles) CONJECTURE and partially incorrect: A soda such as Sprite is the usual beverage, not iced tea.

So all your actually facts have no bearing on what actually happened, and anything you postulated about what actually happened is just that, postulation, not fact.

Zimmerman should be found guilty of manslaughter (not second degree murder). He could have totally avoided the entire situation. He chose not to. He can and should be held accountable.

I don't think it's possible to be less surprised by this witness' statement. There are probably 20 witnesses ready to testify to the same behavior by GZ.

killroy-2675105...(#1.98)...I am neither a trained killer or a cop....Just a Citizen with a CCW Permit. When I got it, I also went for Self-Defence classes at the local gun range. I scoured the Internet to learn everything I could about Florida's Self- Defence Statues.....I met with an Attorney that specializes in 2nd. Amendment cases....His card is in my wallet right with my CCW Permit...On the card:

_________________________________________________

If you are involved in a shooting and ONLY after you are certain there is no longer a threat:

1.) SECURE THE WEAPON---( yours and any weapon the attacker may have had)...Check yourself for injuries.

2.) CALL THE POLICE----State what has happened and request Police and EMS. Describe yourself and what you are wearing.

3.) CALL YOUR LAWYER---- When Police arrive, attract them in a non-threatening manner. This is what you say " I have a valid permit and I am armed, what do you want me to do ??" Follow their instructions...You will be handcuffed, at this point the Police are operating with very little information. If your lawyer cannot meet you at the scene, MAKE NO STATEMENTS to the police or anyone else. Respectfully tell them you want to wait till your Lawyer is present. Keep in mind anything you say will be used against you. Have your Lawyer present for all questioning...It is your legal right and cannot be used to infer anything by police and/or prosecutor.

4.) MEDICAL---When paramedics arrive, get medical treatment for shock for yourself and any other person involved whether physically injured or not

5.) MEDIA---- Make NO Statements to them. PERIOD.

6.) LEGAL ACTIONS---You are justified in using lethal force if you "feared for your life" or that of another person under the provisions of Castle Doctrine/Stand Ones Ground. DON'T APOLOGIZE for defending yourself. Avoid statements such as "I'm sorry I had to shoot", " I regret the incident happened". Such Statements are equated with feelings of guilt. You are remorseful, therefore your actions were inappropriate. Such Statements can cost you later in a court of law, by a zealous Prosecutor.

7.) STRESS---Persons involved in a shooting face a great amount of stress. Psychological and physical problems such as nausea, sleeplessness, headaches, anxiety and even heart problems sometimes appear. They are common and affect even trained Police Officers. If any of these occur, seek professional help.

________________________

From all accounts, Zimmerman failed to follow almost all of these points listed. It is very much part of the reasons he got himself into the position he is in, following the shooting.

Zimmerman did not like black people

No shyt Sherlock! The apple didn't fall far from the tree (the dad/judge) that probably sentenced innocent black men to prison terms all because they were black.

Any parent that teaches their kids to be racists should be condemned and arrested for teaching hate crimes and bigotry to their children. They should be removed from these parents as well as religions that teach, preach and brainwash kids to hate people because they are different in color, sexuality, or sexual orientation.

As for Zimmerman, lock up this pos and toss hos bigoted dad/former judge into the cell right next to him.

Mike in Delray Thanks for the reply from the sound of it it looked like you were /was a cop.

Still if you are trained in how to use the firearm and do shoot (as taught)at a persons center mass that is a killing shot. Which makes me think it is a trained to kill. As to the rest of your above post I agree. thanks for the answer have a good one, and sorry to misunderstanding about your being a cop

MSNBC has just made Zimmerman's day. My running a story saying the Z Man hates blacks then this means no black should be on the jury. It's impossible to believe you could find a black who is impartial and unbiased now. Zimmerman's attorney is probably jumping with joy.
Of course there could still be a conviction but it will be much harder with no blacks on the jury.

Funny the FBI released their investigation and clearly stated this wasn't racially motivated. No one intervied by them said GZ was racist !

They said he appeared motivated by TM's actions and clothes as in Hoody obscuring his face! msnbc.com should be ashamed of their coverage !

killroy-2675105....A real discussion and exchange of ideas here on Newsvine is a welcome change from the norm.

See my post at #4.11, if you haven't already read it....I'm pushing my late 50's and all the people I know that Carry Concealed feel the same way....

P.S....You shoot Center Mass because it is a Life or Death situation....and less of a chance of missing your shot...

One more quick point...You wrote something about "emptying your gun"....Once the threat is stopped....you better not....As was the case for a Convenience Store owner near here....Faced with 2 armed robbers, he drew and fired at one, then the second.....first guy went down, second guy fled out the door....the owner gave chase....that guy got away ( for the moment, he was later treated for a gunshot wound at the hospital and arrested). The owner came back in and shot the guy on the floor 2 more times...It went from a clear self-defence case to a conviction on murder charges....all caught on the Store security camera...

For the FEW who can read !

"Federal agents interviewed many of the neighbourhood watch leader's friends, colleagues and family members as part of their civil rights investigation into the 26 February shooting but found nobody who believed Zimmerman, 28, was motivated by racial bias.

Instead, they found that most of the interviewees had a generally favourable opinion of him, with even the lead detective in the case convinced that he pursued Martin through a Sanford gated community because his suspicions were aroused by the teenager's clothes, not because he was black."

Why is this story still news? Where is all the concern for all the innocent kids killed everyday? Love all the speculation, who needs a trial, lets just hang him who wants to pull the handle?

Mike in Delray

You know what you are talking about ! Nice to see !

Some law enforce teach to shoot center mass and atleast 3 times !

The days of zimmer's life. Tune back next week for............

Mike in D

I am also in my fifties but look much younger (like 40)Thanks for the complement of conversation, and back at you sir. So I have to wonder why this trooper(s) even said that (emptying out their clip) And what you said about stopping after the threat is gone or eliminated is what I also thought to be the truth of it. I am not disabled or any thing of the kind, I just do not feel the need to carry one. But I do know a lot about how to take a person out fast and for good if it comes to that. But the place I live is wide open and in the woods(sticks, bush, or whatever) My biggest concern is/are the animals(the four footed ones with hooves and paws with large claws. Thanks for the info and conversation.

killroy-2675105

Lets start with I am GUESSING you are pro gun CONTROL. While I am pro 2nd Amendment. and of course you reply as I am typing lol

Shooting center of mass is intended to HIT what one is shooting at. That it turns out to be a kill shot depends on where in that center of mass one hits.

What you are missing is that anyone with actual weapons training is taught not to draw unless there is an absolute need AND willingness to accept responsibility for the results of firing. Gun control consists of deciding there is that need and hitting the intended target. Aiming for anything except center mass is accepting the potential of hitting something other than the intended target. Even an expert marksman isn't such a marksman when under the stress of not only a threat but the knowledge that one may be taking a life. That said, it often comes down to ones own life vs the threat. Self preservation generally wins out due to Darwinism. (one of the few times I get to say Darwinism in a positive light online)

Lets take the gun debate to another thread when they have their monthly anti gun article.

Trust Verify

Lets start with I am GUESSING you are pro gun CONTROL. While I am pro 2nd amendment. and of course you reply as I am typing lol.......

You are way wrong Sir and we shall leave it at that. With a line from a great man and actor Charlton Heston........ FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS. SIR !

I have a lot of guns pistols and rifles. I love guns and know there uses and have used them a lot I have killed a lot of animals while hunting and just target shooting. So what I do not feel the need to carry a concealed gun. I carry them a lot in Alaska on my person in plain sight and in my truck ( again in plain sight) the rest of your post is void to me as you made a mistake and missed it totally. I have no argument since you are mistaken Just to say the heart is in your central mass Sir. I think that you should have said or started off with, Are you pro gun control or pro 2nd Amendment??? that would have been a better start. have a good one Trust I just don't feel the same need as most people to carry a C.W. that is all. :o)

Thinking GZ committed sexual abuse simply because witness #9 said it is just as stupid as believing Martin was the one who initiated the fight simply because Zimmerman said it. How can you pro-Zimm fanatics argue one but ignore the other??? The fact is that this man is trying to avoid a murder conviction. Of course he would say Martin was the aggressor even if it weren't true. Martin isn't here to contradict him, is he?

I still whole heatedly believe that Zimmerman was acting like a tough guy that night too and probably threw his own punches at Martin. But self defense isn't applied if Zimmerman willingly fought Martin. Losing a fight you helped to initiate doesn't make you the victim. Until there is proof either way then you are all just armchair detectives, stupidly taking these people at their word!!!

Witness # 9 is probably just trying to get attention and some money for her story. Even if it were all true her statement is irrelevant to the case because Trayvon was not assaulted sexually. If anything this witness statement should only be presented at sentencing.... if there is a sentence. Other than that the Prosecution should omit it during the actual trial. It is just a distraction from the actual case and makes the prosecution look desperate.

Personally, I think that there is something wrong with Zimmerman. I am not a psychologist, but his comments on the 911 tape alone suggest some sort of obsession. I mean who goes out and looks for potential criminals to follow? A cop wannabe. Why was Zimmerman a cop wannabe? Probably self esteem issues. Something is wrong with this guy and I think that it will all come out.

By the way, there is a report that Sean Hannity offerred to pay for all of Zimmerman's defense. Interesting how those on the right line up with whoever isn't black every single time. All the more reason for blacks to vote republican.

OK MOON, I'll take the other side.

The 17 yr old adult;

An oxymoron. Anyone who lives in the United States knows that you're not an adult until you're 18 (although I could certainly argue that 21 would be a more appropriate age), and this kid had barely turned 17. You can't vote until you're 18. You can't leave your parents until you're 18.

1) was suspended from school

Doesn't mean he deserved to die.

2) he had been in trouble for bullying (hitting) a bus driver

First I've heard about this one. Must be something you got from Faux News.

3 he was caught with stolen goods

Debatable.

4) he was caught with drugs

He was caught with trace amounts of pot. I would venture to say that many people have experimented with pot and went on to lead productive lives.

5) he was caught sneaking around homes by a Watch Captain

Complete and utter BS! He was walking to his father's girlfriend's house when Zimmie profiled him and decided that he was up to no good. But, that was all in Zimmie's paranoid head!

6) he sneaked up on and sucker punched the Watch Captain

You're believing every word a known liar has to say. I, on the other hand, find it very hard to believe that Trayvon punched Zimmie for no reason at all. Most likely, Zimmie shoved him or tried to detain him and he fought back in self-defense.

7) at the time he was stopped from murdering the Watch Captain he had on him two of the three ingredients for making "LEAN" (watermelon flavored "tea" and Skittles)

Oh, please! This is so far-fetched, it's laughable!

It seems to me that there would come a time (it also seems to me that that time has come) when any reasonable person would start to ask themselves why their loyalties lie with this scumbag. Could it be simply because he's "white enough"? I can't see any other reason.

This is why we Carry Concealed in Florida....I wonder if P.Obama had 2 more sons they would look like the 2 in the video....

"Surveillance Vid Shows 71-Year-Old Concealed Carry Holder Opening Fire on Would-Be Robbers"

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/surveillance-vid-shows-71-year-old-concealed-carry-holder-opening-fire-on-would-be-robbers/

"Video of robbery at Delray Beach Dunkin' Donuts Wednesday morning released by Boynton Beach police

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_s_palm_beach_county/delray_beach/video-of-robbery-at-delray-beach-dunkin-donuts-wednesday-morning-released-by-boynton-beach-police#ixzz20y6ubLrM

A few years ago....Same Dunkin' Donuts:

"Jury convicts man for role in 2008 Delray Beach Dunkin’ Donuts shooting, robbery"

"the robbery where gunman James Herard shot four people, all senior citizens, in the face with a 20-gauge shotgun."

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/jury-convicts-bell-for-role-in-dunkin-donuts-shoot/nPbNd/

They were all laying on the floor after giving up their wallets and watches/jewelry....

"James Herard Gets Nine Life Sentences, 125 Years, for Bloody Dunkin' Donuts Robbery"

"Then, Herard opened fire, injuring two severely and grazing two more victims inside the Dunkin' Donuts. When Herard and the other perps fled the shop, a passerby was shot in the face, according to State Attorney Michael McAuliffe."

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2011/08/james_herard_dunkin_donuts_sentence.php

2 of those Seniors live in my Retirement Community....they will never be the same again...

Mike in Delray

I can and do see and understand why most of you in the lower 48 have to carry and do. I do not think that Mr Trust Verify understood me as to why I do not feel the need to have a permit to carry a concealed weapon. If you were to look at a map of the area (Or a search of the town) where I live, you would understand my not needing to have a cwp. I live in a small town between Fairbanks and Anchorage (on the parks highway) It is all woods. It make no scenes to have one. Maybe if I lived in places like you do or others I most likely would too. Be safe

killroy-2675105

I've been to AK. I can understand why there is no NEED for a conceal... still a bit of the "frontier". As you say in the lower 48 there are reasons... one being that people "react" to seeing someone with a gun in public. When I lived in CO they had open carry. Even I reacted the first time I saw some old fart climb out of his beat up pickup truck and strap on his Desert Eagle before walking into McDonalds.

Trust Verify

Ok were good then,( we understand each other) both being for the 2nd amendment and not for gun control . Just wanted you to know my posision on the right to armed. enjoy your day ;o)

Glad we are good... I'm willing to bet we agree that Idiots and Guns don't belong together, even in the same sentence... And while I am in Georges "camp" so to speak I think he is an idiot in many areas.

Like I said in an earlier post I don't really have an opinion about Zimmerman's guilt (other than to let a jury of his peers decide), but that being said as far as the people comparing him to Jerry Sandusky and his victims to "Victim 9" that's just stupid. There is a huge difference between an 8 year old with a 6 year old (If what she said was even true) and a 50-60 year old predator who is a high ranking authority figure in 2 major organizations and 8-17 year old boys. That's just ignorant! It makes me want to take Zimmerman's side in the whole thing just because how stupid those comments are.

Honestly I think it is because some poeple are so childish they actually have to have their way or there will be store windows broken and Televisions and shoes stolen. To protect the corporate and small business owners interests they, meaning the Government will sacrifice Zimmerman. It really doesnt matter because every day that Zimmerman is breathing and Martin isn't, Zimmerman wins. The children cant take it because Zimmerman won the life or death fight and now he gets to spend his days alive chillin. Its just black people being racist, if Zimmerman was black this would be a non-story. Happens every day in the black community. Hell if they were 1/10th as accurate as their white counterparts with a firearm there would be probably thousands more dying daily. To me the timing of this story stinks very badly. It's like every movie you've ever seen where the government tries to discredit someone, he's all of a sudden a molesterer... lol. Who did not see that coming. What a crock.

So apparently God has time to "reveal" you but no time to stop the act from happening? Guess God doesn't like blacks either.

"Asked if she could cite a specific instance where Zimmerman expressed racial bias, the witness said she could not recall one, and did not know of specific actions he had taken against black people in the past."

So what was the point of the testimony?

"unnamed witness" ?

They are pretty much ALL unnamed at this point...it's clearly a relative.

Just like the "gangsta" pictures of Treyvon have appeared, as well as records of his drug use.

"gangsta pictures", you mean pictures of him being black?

Tracey-No the pictures of Tray with gold teeth making threatening gestures.

gold teeth make you a gangsta? what's a threatening gesture? did he have a gun or something?

It often takes years for victims of abuse to come forward, Vegains. That is not in the least bit unusual. Nor is the timing of her coming forward unusual. You quite obviously know very little about the implications of childhood sexual abuse. Thank your lucky starts for that one, and have a little emapthy.

Its common sense..the jerk that put a bullet in his body was defending himself..did he go out to hurt a black kid from FLORIDA? And the black kid who is not used to being followed I guess (since from FLORIDA) just wanted to shove this guys face in the dirt..mission done both ways..but only one is dead! Case closed..GO HOME PEEPS NOTHING TO SEE HERE ANYMORE!!!

And it's coming to light little by little.

If a family member of mine hated Blacks I would know, that's just common sense because they will make small comments here and there, like say you're with a friend and see a Black person and the guy makes a comment like referring to that Black person as a Monkey, what do you think he is NOT biased. Only a MORON would think he's not.

@Vegains.... So you know most white people and most black people?

@ Blitz73, yes God has time to reveal and Only he know why he allowed Trayvon to die that night. Perhaps because the issue is bigger than you or I. Zimmerman is a liar and He is being revealed. And he is possibly a molester.

Wow, no wonder why the defence doesn't want any of the evidence to go public. Sucks for those suporters who donated to Zimmerman legal fund.

Eady Trice Morgan

not everything God reveals results in a happy ending... that's the way of life.

as far as TM getting killed, at the end of the day TMs suspensions, bus driver beatdowns, gangsta wanna be behavior, pot baggies, stolen jewelry etc and GZs domestic arrest and funny stuff when he was a 8 year old don't matter. It doesn't matter if TM was a Blood and GZ was a member of the KKK. It doesnt matter if GZ was purple and TM was orange.

TM was on top of GZ beating him. Thats called aggravated battery, and it's grounds for justifiable homicide in all 50 states. GZ will walk and rightfully so.

However nothing about this 'will work out right'... TM is dead, GZ will be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life whichever way it goes, people of color are going to be unfairly used on this issue by politicians in an election year when the country is suffering, and two families are shattered forever....

God also ordered people to kill. Don't just read the parts of the bible with the nice guy who let's everyone do what they want.

God (as your describing it) is a freakin' fairytale you use to thwart the unjust nature of life and your fear of death. Grow up...it's a fairytale. If there is a God it doesn't have a penis (who is it banging exactly?), doesn't look like us (that's all human bias BS), doesn't love or hate (those are human emotions; more bias), and definately doesn't interfere in this world at all (or it's a sadistic sociopath to say the least).

If prayer is really effective, then it's not possible God has a pre-ordained plan. If he does have plan, why take petitions from every jerk with a $2 prayer book?

If miracles are real, why don't amputees EVER grow limbs back? Because that's a real verifiable miracle, that's why. By your belief God must hate amputees, including war vets.

If God speaks to people, how do we know who is schizophrenic and who is a prophet? Seems to me many back in Biblical times did violent crap and said incoherent nonsense too.

Your beliefs are based on faith (a lack of facts) to deal with your very human fears and unease. There is no just universe. There is no eternal prize or punishment. There is no reason to fear the inevitable (death). If you need fairytales like a child to deal with these things, fine...but don't expect the rational among us to act as if you're not a nutter.

BTW, I'm not an atheist.

tex...please...send MORE money...I love watching,

Suckers.

Hey tex, you'd better turn off that computer and get back to work. Your little buddy "shooterman" is going to run up quite a tab by the end of all of this and THEN the wrongful death suit will surely break the bank. Hey, I thought you were adamantly opposed to paying for freeloading losers and their loser lifestyles?

tex-478405

@ #2.15 ... due to people like you I may send George another $100. I know, it's not much, but I'm in a White middle class working family and it's tough to pay supporting taxes for people like you.

And what kind of "people" are you referring to exactly when you were referencing to my post?

Yes, you are white. Obviously since thought it was so important enough to post it and capitalize the word and post it on forum....... woopty doo....... but you are not the only race that actually pay taxes.

I'm a Afghan/Iraq Vet, college educated, lives in Texas, middle class, owns guns and gasp....... pays taxes. I also support castle doctrine and believes people should protect themselves and family if threaten.

I do not support Zimmerman because he gives every gun owner a bad disservice. Having a concealed gun does not give you the right to chase a suspicious individual looking for a confrontation.

I don't care if Zimmerman is racist or not. The main thing that stuck out in this article is that Zimmerman was alleged to molest his cousin for 10 yrs. That is just plain evil and sick. Go donate that 100 bucks to his cause. There is an old saying.... A fool and his money are soon departed.

FYI, I misspelled "defence" and "suporters" in my post 2.15. Must've been that pneumonia and fever that I was recovering from.

They did take photos that night.

^^Troll alert.

No, Vegains, it isn't a documented fact, and I will ask you to cite exactly where that documentation is.

Ya lol. But we should be a bit sad for the right wing family values tea-people ... They were so hell bent on defending Zimmy .. but as each days revelation comes out .. makes it so much harder and also there is the shame of defending Zimmy.

Hey Vegains, you just joined and all you can do is spew hatred. You stink of being a troll. You are a sad excuse for a human. Begone troll.

Eric of Montreal (#3.5),

Sight your source of information that states that repubs, TP's, conservatives &/or right wingers support GZ. I'm pretty certain that they only want a fair trial & to let the laws take their course.

Hold the Presses!!!

A new witness has come forward. Witness #685. This woman says she knows for sure Zimmerman shot Lincoln, killed his mother's doctor's dog, and ran three red lights in downtown New York City!!! Not only that, she is positive he was Hitler's driver and the guy that really shot Jack Kennedy!!!

In the video, Zimmerman says Trayvon punched him because he saw him
reaching for something. Zimmerman says he was only reaching for his
cell phone, why would Trayvon think that a person would follow and
confront him just to pullout a cell phone? Anyone would have felt
that this stalker person is reaching for a knife or a gun. This does
not sound like Trayvon punched George for no apparent reason and he
most likely saw that Zimmerman was armed.

Zimmerman states that the fighting stopped and he sat up causing Trayvon to
notice the gun, while he was still sitting on top of him. At this
point George claims that the action was centered on who would get to
the gun first. Witness and Phone recordings reveal that screams for
Help where heard up until a gun shot stopped them, but Zimmerman
states his mouth was being covered by Trayvon until he was able to
shoot him. If, as Zimmerman has stated, Trayvon attempted to disarm
him by reaching down his body with a left hand, moving it from
covering his mouth, to his waist, he then pinned Trayvon's hand, pull
the gun and shot, before Trayvon could deflect his aim , Zimmerman
would have to be a,”quick draw artist” to have done this while
someone was sitting on top of him.

In the video Zimmerman states that after shooting Trayvon, he kneeled on
his back and stretched his arms out to see if he was armed.
Zimmerman told police he doesn't remember if Trayvon fell back, to
the side or on top of him when he was shot, and that Travyon said,
“you got me” after being shot through the heart, all of which
made no since, most likely he may have made the statement before
Zimmerman decided to shoot him. The witness that saw Trayvon on top
in front of his apartment lived five doors down from where Trayvon
was killed. The Witness that heard the confrontation outside her
kitchen window where the body was found stated that there was no
fighting going on when the shot was fired, “and the kid hit the
ground". What she heard doesn't sound like Trayvon was shot
while sitting on Zimmerman. The video of Zimmerman's explanation of
what happened indicate that the killing was not in defense of being
beaten to death.

NICEBIKE, nice to see some common sense here. If T was leaning over Z as Z says when he shot him, T would have had to fall forward, that means there should have been blood on Z's clothing, a lot of blood. The cops didn't confiscate his clothes, nor did they take him straight to the police station. They were either very inept at gathering evidence, he's lying or both. I vote both. Heck, I live in small town Iowa and our cops know that even in a self defense case you take the evidence just to prove self defense. These huckleberry hounds didn't even do that.

upright1..(#3.10).. 1)." If T was leaning over Z as Z says when he shot him, T would have had to fall forward, that means there should have been blood on Z's clothing, a lot of blood. "

Just not true....the force of the shot would have sent him backwards...It's not like on TV...Blood does NOT splatter forward...entrance wounds are sometimes even difficult to find and Trayvon had on a shirt and hoodie...small holes in them don't let "a lot of blood" out. There was very little blood on Trayvons clothing.

He also didn't die instantaneously...made an attempt to get away after being shot....even shot through the heart he could have gotten up and taken a few steps before collapsing.

2.)" The cops didn't confiscate his clothes, nor did they take him straight to the police station."

Also NOT true....he was placed in custody almost immediately and was placed in the back of a Patrol Car and brought to the Police Station.... His wife was told to bring a change of clothes for him....his gun and all his clothes are in Police evidence. They ran gunshot residue tests on them.

3.) "They were either very inept at gathering evidence "

Again UNTRUE...where do you come up with such nonsense....they secured the area , kept a real time investigation log, located and bagged the shell casing, began interviewing neighbors, "witnesses"

If you had "bothered" to go to the document dumps instead of listening to what others have posted, you could see the crime scene photos, the photo's of both Zimmerman and Trayvon's clothing, witness statements, FBI reports, Coroner's report.....

If your conclusions of what happened are based on your "Knowledge", you may need to rethink your conclusions after gaining some real Knowledge....

"It’s just a known thing that that’s how the family feels," She calls a man and his entire family racist, can't name a single racist act they did or a single racist statement they made. and "It’s just a known thing that that’s how the family feels," is good enough proof for the press to print and the prosecutors to use? People actually believe this crap? Really? Then not a single thing in the record about a supposed serial molester since age 8, not even a statement by her parents. Wonder how much the Martin family paid her for these statements or if she's just a psycho looking for her 15 minutes of fame. Hope Zimmerman's lawyers sue the pants off her when this garbage is finished.

Ed------

George has been charge with criminal profiling not racial profiling. Also, Zimmerman did not have the authority to act like a policeman.

looking for her 15 minutes of fame

It just took one person coming forward to cause Sandusky to be investigated.

This points to Zimmerman's MO--you know, giving that angelic look after he has done something wrong. Look what Witness 9 said about how sweet he acted with the rest of the family after molesting her and bullying her into silence.

It points to his Eddie Haskell technique.

No doubt he will use that choirboy look in court during the trial. (You know, the innocent look the kid has after he has pulled the pigtails of the girl sitting in front of him in the classroom.)

tex-478405

OK MOON, I'll take the other side.

The 17 yr old adult;

.A) Sorry he is not an adult at 17

1) was suspended from school

1.A) For tardiness and the suspicion of the baggie having drugs (Suspected of being marijuana, all good reasons to kill the kid, NOT!

2) he had been in trouble for bullying (hitting) a bus driver

2.A) This I never heard about so no comment.

3 he was caught with stolen goods

3.A)maybe I missed that proving part of the (goods as you call them) being stolen again suspected of being stolen never proved to be.

4) he was caught with drugs

4.A) A baggie is not drugs, and it was suspected of being drugs. and not ever proved to be just that

5) he was caught sneaking around homes by a Watch Captain

5.A) That is your words. He was on the phone with his GF and a young guy or girl will take there time while talking to them. Sneaking my foot. And GZ self appointed himself the captain. and GZ never saw him do anything against the law.

6) he sneaked up on and sucker punched the Watch Captain

6.A) Ah the sneaky little bas---rd. I have a much different version of it .GZ forced the confrontation and cornered Trayvon and jumped him,and over extended and hurt his own nose while trying to take Trayvon down(Hence a self inflicted wound.) And you are going on the words of a liar.

7) at the time he was stopped from murdering the Watch Captain he had on him two of the three ingredients for making "LEAN" (watermelon flavored "tea" and Skittles)

7.A)Tell me, Have you shot anyone of late ?? I mean you said that you also carry a gun. I guess all those years of marshal arts training were useless. (I am also referring to one of our last comments to each other some two months ago. I remembered.)

It seems to me that you have forgot something about the neighborhood watch signs. What is on them??? do you evn know? It shows three houses and in each house there is an eye. they do not patrol or carry a firearm (ever) or chase down anyone. GZ was out of line and not in the right to use self defence, Trayvon has/had that right

DOCJT

No, Vegains, it isn't a documented fact, and I will ask you to cite exactly where that documentation is.

The only documentation are the police and EMT reports.

Eady, what about the 35 people the FBI interviewed who said George was not racist?? Don't believe everything Al Sharpton says in your meetings........

The molesting charge is hard to believe but MSNBC will grasp at anything to keep this story going.
Hey, did you hear they want to make a permanent memorial to Trayvon? If we start building memorials to thugs who have died all we will end up as is a nation of memorials.

" If we start building memorials to thugs who have died all we will end up as is a nation of memorials."

Guess we are a nation of memorials, have you check your local cemetery lately? Are you afraid that no one would want to bother putting up a simple memorial at your grave site? or does the aryan brotherhood have their own private cemetery?

thepunisher-2054749, take your race card elsewhere. It's no good here.

Mike in Delray, please post link or at least idea of where you found your information. I actually did look for information about what happened immediately shooting.

Second Z stated that T was leaning over him, LEANING OVER, I don't care how big a handgun you are using, when you shoot someone T's size leaning forward it would take something larger than Z's gun to blow him back. Physics are Physics.

The police reports, nor the EMT reports substantiate that claim. Further, the medical reports from Zim's own doctor don't substantiate it either.

upright1...(#3.20)... " Mike in Delray, please post link or at least idea of where you found your information. I actually did look for information about what happened immediately shooting.

http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/-/15490330/data/1/-/kligxm/-/Zimmerman-documents.pdf

284 pages....Much to read and digest, including "Crime Scene Contamination Log", it shows how many Sanford PD and EMS responded to the location, towards the bottom you'll find Crime Lab photo's etc, of Trayvon's shirt, the one he was wearing under his hoodie....take notice of how little blood is on it....

Just let the evidence speak for itself, without all the hub-bub of the Media Frenzy....

george should have left the pistol in the store where he bought it

Police told him to get it instead of the taser he wanted to buy. A pit bull kept getting loose in the neighborhood. Guess he should let that dog bite him also.

Then he would be dead and there would be no case.

Then he would be dead and there would be no case.

With no gun, GZ would've waited in his car. The gun gave him the courage to stalk TM.

I think people lose sight of the question here. What is important is if he committed a crime or defended himself according to the law. Lots of people openly dislike one race or another, and even more secretly dislike certain groups of people for political, racial or other reasons including sexual orientation. I am sure, at some point in my imperfect life I have been offensive to some group of people, and I pray that it does not determine the outcome of any litigation I may encounter int he future. If ANY of you are perfect, then you have the right to scrutinize this particular aspect of the case. If you are perfect, could I please have this weeks Power-ball numbers?

Karen Scharps

If GZ was afraid of a pit bull that kept getting loose, he should stay in his home. And really now do you really need a gun to kill a dog,..... NO! but a lot of people are afraid of dogs period. Try a walking stick. It works for older women that take walks, why not GZ as well. I guess it does not make him feel man enough. But who really expects a city slicker to know how to use a walking stick on a dog, Or a person for that matter.

Really Karen? Show me a source where it stated that the police told him to get a gun over a taser or are you just pulling that out of thin air.

FYI, a taser can bring down a 300 lbs man easy. A 80 lbs pitbull is nothing.

And I'm sure being a wannabe self appointed neighborhood vigilante has nothing to do with it.

Come on, Serpico carried his gun, tucked into his belt and covered by his shirt. Everyone knows that George Zimmerman was a wannabe, even the Sanford Police joked about "George the Neighborhood Watch Commander".

Terry51025...I am not a wannabe, No one I know is either...we have a Neighborhood Watch....I will be armed when I am driving out to the store, just like Zimmerman was....

_______________________________________________

Why do I carry a gun ???.....Because a Cop is too heavy...

I don’t carry a gun to kill people,
I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

I don’t carry a gun to scare people,
I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m paranoid,
I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil, I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.

I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government, I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry, I carry a gun so that I don’t have to spend the rest of my life hating myself
for failing to be prepared.

I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone, I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a
sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m a cowboy, I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a
cowboy.

I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones
they love.

I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate, I carry a gun because unarmed and facing armed thug(s), I am
inadequate.

I don’t carry a gun because I love it, I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to
me.

Police protection is an oxymoron.

Free citizens must protect themselves.

Police do not protect you from crime, That's why they carry chalk in the trunk, to draw outlines around the dead.

They usually just investigate the crime
after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.

Personally, I carry a gun
because I’m too young to die and too disabled to defend myself from an attack any other way.....

Sherriff (Gene Hackman): "You just shot an unarmed man!"

Bill Muny (Clint Eastwood): "Well...he should have armed himself."

Quote from "Unforgiven"

"Go ahead....make my day."

I love Clint Eastwood.

Mike in Delray, well said. I'm sure there are many members of the professional left who have that one bad experience and realize too late what we gun owners already know.

@Mike in Delray

"Terry51025...I am not a wannabe, No one I know is either...we have a Neighborhood Watch....I will be armed when I am driving out to the store, just like Zimmerman was...."

So in response to Terry, you are zimmerman.........................gotcha.....

"Terry51025...I am not a wannabe, No one I know is either...we have a Neighborhood Watch....I will be armed when I am driving out to the store, just like Zimmerman was...."

You are very smart.

if he did that to his cousin though...cut his crotch out and feed it to him while hes rotting behind bars

no middle ground for rusty

GZ apologized for it...why would he do that, if it weren't true?

Wow!! Millions of dollars?? Well that's quite impressive that you would give Mr. Martin that much street cred....Last I checked he was a 17 year old High School student who got in a little trouble because he smoked a little weed....but, Mr. Zimmerman didn't know that. No, he profiled just like you have, and now he's having to answer for his actions. And seeing how this is going to boil down to credibility, Mr. Zimmerman is squarely behind the 8 ball, lied to the judge, and yes, she does matter, it's about character and she's there to further blemish his character. If his lawyer has any brains, he'll get Zimmerman the best plea deal he can. His goose as they say is cooked.

Did you ever read the horrid, sexist, demeaning things Trayvon said to, and about, women on his fb account?

So what? Mr. Zimmerman didn't stop Mr. Martin and question him about what was on his facebook!!! He must try and explain how he an armed man felt it necessary to confront Mr. Martin after being told not to, ending up killing Mr. Martin who was armed with ice tea, skittles and a cell phone.

@rusty, what made him a gangbanger? i smoked weed in high school, even vandalized a wall once. now i'm an architect, i pay taxes, own a home, vote, etc... had i been judged at 17 i wouldn't have looked much better than trayvon. hardly a criminal. but then again i'm white.

You need to go far far away. You are a very hateful person.

Yep. Hope George enjoys that environment.

You mean that FB account that was proven not to belong to him?

Hey Vegains, you're nothing but a troll. GO AWAY TROLL!!!!!

Hell, if Florida can't convict the baby killer, they sure as hell can't convict Zimmerman of Murder 2. Not with this B.S. evidence.

They couldn't convict the baby killer because they went for murder 1 and her lawyers spun a story about her dieing in a pool and they couldn't prove otherwise which gave reasonable doubt.

In GZ's case he was forced to admit to killing Trayvon and now they just have to prove it wasn't in self defense or not.
They have charged GZ appropriately in this case though with the jury able to decide on manslaughter if they can't agree on murder 2.

And this woman coming forward or subpenaed as a witness goes to his character as I am sure the defense will have 20 ppl on the stand saying how much of an angel GZ is.

Why not take Zimmerman's word as truth? Hmmmm.....he lied to the judge, tried to hide money, and his passport....credibility? Not hardly.

Why would GZ apologize, if it weren't true?

bot or troll??

You are an azz - I doubt Travon would have given you a 2nd look or touched you with a ten foot pole.

It would not surprise me that Georgie tried to play touch feely with his cousin but he was probably just being curious. She said he did not rape her just fondled her. This has nothing to do with him killing Trayvon Martin.

Vegains = TROLL

Spewing hatred in the name of what? Hey convict, isn't it lock down time yet?

Why not? Looks like there are plenty taking whatever Zim says as written in stone...despite the fact that he has been proven to be a liar and has the motivation of trying to save his own a$$.

Just Ice 4 All:

You guys are missing a very strategical point.

She said he did not rape her just fondled her. This has nothing to do with him killing Trayvon Martin.

The larger point of the woman, and the larger point of the prosecution is being lost in all this rape defending stuff -She is there to prove that George is the type of character who can victimize a person right under your nose and appear good to all the authority figures and escape detection. That is the value of her to the prosecution. Not necessarily to complain about George being a molester, but that he has victimized a person and uses his goody goody image to intimidate, manipulate to conceal the evil dirty deed. She is there to say he gets away with it, and has been doing it a long time.

Her tesimony about the molesting incident being able to go on for over 9 or 10 years before the truth came out is a powerful prosecution key to Zimmerman's personality -Very relevant to the case. But you can hope against hope the judge won't let it in.

Plus she is not the only one who has characterized this trait in George. The co-worker has said the same thing. George abused him, then made it appear to the authority figures (the boss) that he was just too good to be guilty of the abuse. This is the second witness who says George is an abuser who escapes detection and punishment by hiding behind his goody goody image. These people are not lying on George. He's got a split personality, two sides, and the medication to prove it. He's a lying snake, and the noose is tightening around his neck.

DOJCT You seem to take whatever this news site says as written in stone. All you do is stay on your computer slamming this man you don't know.you should be in politics your so full of it.

He's got a split personality, two sides, and the medication to prove it.

Ok, I have no idea if George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin in self-defense or not because, unlike many of you, I wasn't there that night-I'll let the jury decide-but I really feel a need to address this comment. A "split personality" is something like multiple personality disorder, or dissociative identitiy disorder (DID) as it is now called; and there is no medication for it. I've known a number of people with this condition; and, not only were they not liars, they were very intelligent, courageous people who had suffered tremendous trauma and were working very hard to overcome their difficulties. While I would consider a "liar" to be someone who chronically lies or who lies in crucial situations, I doubt any of us can claim to tell the truth all the time. A diagnosis like DID most definitely does not make someone a liar-nor do other mental health diagnoses, and I am really tired of implications like that in peoples' comments.

If Zimmerman did indeed molest his cousin, that would be a terrible thing, and I feel for the cousin. People need to understand that it takes a lot of courage to step forward wih allegations of sexual abuse-if you have never experienced it, you have no idea how hard it is. As terrible as that would be, it does not mean that Zimmerman did not shoot Martin in self defense. Even if Zimmerman is the worst molester in the county, while it says a lot about his character, all of it bad, that fact alone does not make him guilty of murder. This is the problem with trying cases in the media. The only thing that will prove Zimmerman guilty of murder is the evidence for THIS crime. Yes, character can be established, but it cannot prove a crime. Even disliking black people or being racist, while being easily disliked traits, do not in and of themselves make him guilty of this crime. I am by no means defending Zimmerman or apologizing for him-he may be the worst person in the world-I'm just trying to be realistic and objective about this situation.

Thanks, seen. You are right in your explanation.

seen too much:

A diagnosis like DID most definitely does not make someone a liar-nor do other mental health diagnoses, and I am really tired of implications like that in peoples' comments.

Well, just to please you, whatever the hell it is that George has, it makes him a liar, and he has the medication to prove it.

and I am really tired of implications like that in peoples' comments.

In that case don't read peoples comments then, if they tire you out. Maybe you need some medication for your tiredness? Or for your touchy little feelings? Or even stop coming here? Plus I imply nothing in my comments, I come flat out and say it.

I doubt any of us can claim to tell the truth all the time.

Good!!! That goes for those people with your your precious (DID) and split personalities. They are not special. They will lie too. So they are liars like everybody else after all. Why'd you bother to deny it?

While I would consider a "liar" to be someone who chronically lies or who lies in crucial situations

Yup; Well that is George Zimmerman according to the witnesses, police, prosecutors and the evidence!!!! YuP, says that is George alright, all throughout his life. So what are you bleating technicalities about, while you miss the larger points?

Other than than I like your post. Just remember not to nit pic and split hairs missing the larger issue. But other than that? -it is a nice post. Informative too. Plus you have taught me not to say George has a split personality anymore. I stand corrected after all.

In that case don't read peoples comments then, if they tire you out. Maybe you need some medication for yourtiredness? Or for your touchy little feelings? Or even stop coming here?

Fine comment...

if GZ has (DID)....which one does the time?

I say both.

yup; cause the Good George did nothing to stop it. Both go just like adam and eve.

Jo-An, Mr PerryVine,

You are racists. You both convict a man whom all you know of is hearsay and questionable, conflicting evidence. I dont claim GZ is innocent, but I know he is innocent until PROVEN guilty. You are racists because I am 100% sure that if this story was reversed and it was a white teen being killed by a black man, it wouldnt even pass onto your radar or you would defend the black man regardless. That is all

That's because in this country, if it was a black man killing a white teen, he would have been arrested the night of the incident, refused bond, already been to trail, and living in a cell in the state pen. Get real.

tampasean:

You are racists

You are a liar, -just like Zimmie (oh yeah, and like lying Shellie too).

You both convict a man

Lie! We have no such powers. Zimmie is not convicted of a single crime...yet. So you are a liar.

whom all you know of is hearsay and questionable, conflicting evidence.

Nope, another lie. We believe Zimmie is guilty because of his own conflicting stories, everchanging and not fitting the facts. So this is your third lie. Maybe you'll stop lying here? Let's see?

I dont claim GZ is innocent,

Lie!!! Yes you do, and I'll prove it!!!

but I know he is innocent until PROVEN guilty.

See? Told you that you were lying about that. That's four lies (getting hard to keep count of all your lies).

You are racists because I am 100% sure

Damn! 2 lies!!! (1) we are not racist, and (2) even if we were it would not be because of anything you are sure of. Damn, you told a Du-whopper right there. (Can none on Zimmie's side speak the truth?)

that if this story was reversed and it was a white teen being killed by a black man, it wouldnt even pass onto your radar or you would defend the black man regardless.

Lie!!! I know I would send his Black as$ to prison, but who am I to question your crystal ball's 100% sureness about what I would do?

That is all

Thank God. PS: learn to speak the truth in your posts; quite difficult when you are defending a liar.

tampasean,

You are racists.

Doubt that...

. You are racists because I am 100% sure that if this story was reversed and it was a white teen being killed by a black man, it wouldnt even pass onto your radar or you would defend the black man regardless. That is all

No one can be that stupid...if a white teen were killed by a black man, he'd be in jail...period. There would be no "pay pal" donations, and no "pro-bono" lawyer defending him...

seen too much:

A diagnosis like DID most definitely does not make someone a liar-nor do other mental health diagnoses, and I am really tired of implications like that in peoples' comments.

Well, just to please you, whatever the hell it is that George has, it makes him a liar, and he has the medication to prove it

Sorry, Mr. Perrywine, not to nitpick, but I think you missed my point. I am not trying to comment on whether or not George Zimmerman is a liar. As I said further down in my comment, he may be the worst person in the world for all I know-and the worst liar as well. My point was that a MENTAL HEALTH condition does not make anyone a liar, and taking medication for a mental health condition does not in any way prove that anyone is a liar-though they may tell lies like anyone else, of course. (Sheesh!) This is in answer to your comment that "whatever the hell it is that George has, it makes him a liar, and he has the medication to prove it." What I am tired of is the prejudice and stigma so many people continue to associate with mental health problems-and that includes mocking them. I'm not tired of reading comments or I wouldn't be here-but I think you know that.

Apologies to everyone for going slightly off topic, but I am addressing a comment directed at me.

seen too much:

MrPerryWine did not miss your point, I simply and correctly disagree with it. If I thought it was on topic, or worth a hill of beans I would take the time to prove what mental and emotional health issues causes people to even be habitual liars, and yes they are treated with medications for the illnesses and therefore the lies. Even stuff as simple as alcoholism or other drug addictions causes people to habitually lie and deny. Why deny that there are mental and emotional health issues that do the same? (Geeze! you sure are touchy).

I'm not tired of reading comments or I wouldn't be here-but I think you know that.

Well, whatever it is that you are tired of, I suggest again that you do not subject yourself to it, and you are sure to read plenty of posts mocking those with mental and health issues, race, gender, sexual orientation, political affiliation, weight, size, etc, etc into infinity. There are even those like you who even think it is clever to mock a person's screen name. All the crap is fair to me, I'm not touchy, neither am I wrong.

Sorry, getting your name wrong was actually just a mistake. I read it wrong and didn't realize it until after I posted. Sounds like I may have hit a nerve, though. If you have had bad experiences with addicts or alcoholics-or even with people diagnosed with other types of mental illnes-I can't blame you for being upset. I personally grew up with an alcoholic father who no doubt had many mental health issues-and, yes, he told many lies and many many empty promises. And the denial in my entire family remains tremendous. However, every single mental health problem does not make a person a liar. I am sorry if I upset you with my comments and with getting your name wrong. It certainly was not my intent.

seen too much:

Sorry, getting your name wrong was actually just a mistake.

It's OK, I'm not touchy about it -just showing you use mockery too; sorry if you were not.

Sounds like I may have hit a nerve, though. If you have had bad experiences with addicts or alcoholics-or even with people diagnosed with other types of mental illnes-I can't blame you for being upset.

Yes, Zimmie is a bad experience for me, because Zimmie and his alcoholism, mental illness, emotional problems, troubles with the law and his lies, deceit and his families denials enabling him is not just a bad experience for the Martins, he is one for the whole nation, as we can see. And thank you for not blaming me. Zimmie's problems are a bad experience for us all.

I personally grew up with an alcoholic father who no doubt had many mental health issues-and, yes, he told many lies and many many empty promises.

Yes, you are describing Zimmie's conditions to a Tee; Zimmie is an alcoholic with those same problems. Did you know Zimmie suffered from an earliy age with alcoholism, got arrested in a violent encounter with law enforcement, and the judge ordered him to treatment for it in place of the criminal conviction? Judge Lester has even ordered him not to touch the stuff as a bail order condition. People out on bail normally do not have that restriction.

However, every single mental health problem does not make a person a liar.

I agree with that, but it is demonstrably not true in Zimmie's case. He is one sick puppy and as it is with all illness, denying it and it's harm to others only makes it worse.

seen too much: I do not know who posted this but I copied and pasted it. It's like George.

Well, at least Barbara Walters has the know how to penetrate his BS.

On the other vine, someone mentioned "antisocial personality disorder, and so I looked it up and posted it there.... and here it is:

Antisocial personality disorder is a mental health condition in which a person has a long-term pattern of manipulating, exploiting, or violating the rights of others. This behavior is often criminal.

.

Symptoms

A person with antisocial personality disorder may:

• Be able to act witty and charming

• Be good at flattery and manipulating other people's emotions

• Break the law repeatedly

• Disregard the safety of self and others

• Have problems with substance abuse

• Lie, steal, and fight often

• Not show guilt or remorse

• Often be angry or arrogant

seen too much:

I think now that this has come out, you may have actually seen too, too much. Literally!!!

There's no wonder you disappeared. Are you the doctor, that claimed his nose was broken (fractured) even though the only way to prove it is with an X-ray? No wonder you were touchy!!!!

See your as$ in court. You may be the second Zimmie liar of a witness, that will get charged and go to prison when this crap is over. Oh, yeah; that lying John, is going straight to jail. He is the one who riled the nation up thinking someone saw Trayvon hitting him.

Witness 9 interview

You better listen to the interview, Rick.

Rick, the alleged abuse began at age 6 and continued until she was 16. Do please listen to the audio.

So Rick, if it were an 8 year-old boy fondling (or however you want to describe it) another boy at 6? Or an 11 year old boy doing the same thing to a 9 year old boy? or 13 and 11? Hmm.. I suspect if it was your 11 year old son being "played with" by a 13 year old boy, you'd have a different opinion. The witness stated it went on until she was 16. So that means an 18 y/o adult being sexual w/an 16 y/o minor, without her consent. If it were an 18 year old adult male being sexual with your 16 y/o minor son without his consent, how would you feel? It's the same. No always means no. And not saying yes, is no. Period. No exception until agreed upon some other term before *anything* happens. And the prosecution is smart here. Trials are about winning. We learn that in law school.

Wonder how much she was offered by the black panthers to say that bs.

Jspencer-

Though I agree with your position on the molestation issue and am more a TM supporter, you point out something in your last sentence that has rankled my hide for the past two years. Exactly because trials are more about winning for each side, the truth about what actually happened too often takes a back seat. Hardly serving justice or any sense of it. It's a long story but exactly because of such I was wrongfully convicted of D.V due to pressure from my wife's undiagnosed extreme bipolar mother for absolutely nothing. Because we were in financial straits and could lose our house, mother dearest threatened my wife that if she didn't go along with the lie to police and involve CPS, as supposedly I physically threatened our daughter as well, all hell would break lose and mommy would abandon any financial help. Some may think it was just a matter of telling grandma to go take a flying leap, and if my wife really loved me she'd never cave in to that. Ah, but grandma's husband is tight with the local County Sheriff and there's more else to the story than meets the eye. The police report was unreal and virtually all lies. I was charged on 6 counts of harrassment and striking my wife by the prosecution, and the CPS related charges were dropped. I was railroaded, even though I have zero priors or history of violence. It all just didn't matter. Family justice stepped in on the presumption this was all really true and made life hell on earth for me. I served 90 days, 2 years probation, D.V and anger management classes, and court fines all for nothing. Mostly because the prosecution could give a damn less about what the truth was, even as my wife tried to back out and change the story when the pressure of it all got to her about the lies. It's taken awhile but we finally had the charges recinded and an apology from several who handled the case. Except the prosecution still insists I'm just tryin to cover it all up and manipulated my wife to change her story despite a no contact order being in place that would have made that impossible at the time. Justice? Hardly! And from what i learned in jail, my case wasn't so much an exception to the rule. A little rare maybe, but such things occur more than most would like to believe.

Jeanette-767450

Wonder how much she was offered by the black panthers to say that bs.

Certainly less than you are being paid to troll.

If you're 8 and she's 6...that's playing house. If you're 18 and she's 16, that's not even against the law in my State...and if it's against the law in your State something is wrong there (it being his cousin is sick though).

BTW, I'm anti-racist. BUT...if a racist shoots someone of a race he hates in genuine self defense, is he a murderer?

Just like this story, him being racist or not is not conclusive evidence of murder.

I just hope the truth comes out and justice is done, whatever outcome that leads to.

I too hope for justice. I have hopes since MSNBC will not be the jury.

You are an idiot and pretty good at it. Do you still diddle with your cousins?

He certainly would, he'd do 2 cousins if it would get Zimmie off the hook!!

Hey Tex stick to the story or go do something by yourself off line.

I like the grays...

I like big butts.

...and I cannot lie!

I hope so because all of the BS that the judge is letting the prosecutor get away with is absolutely unreal he should be investigated because he is making impossible for GZ to get a fair trial

No just intelligent and versed in the law. Got you GED yet?

Vegains, you need to get gone troll. Back under your single wide troll.

Just Ice 4 all

Got you GED yet?

I think he could probably ask you the same.

I'm a white girl and I got worse cuts falling off a swing, playing cowboys and indian with my brothers, swinging on grape vines and just beeing a kid. Georgie like you is a wuss.

Thank-you Tyler

She didn't accuse him of rape. She accused him of sexual assault. And, if what she says is true, and I certainly have no reason to suspect it isn't, he is guilty of sexual assault.

trust_verify,

I agree with everything you just said except for the fact that the "copping a feel" happening over a decade. That makes the the situation more than merely incidental.

That and his short shrift apology about the activities indicates something else. When I add up all his statements and actions reported so far, I'm seeing a sociopathic manipulator who is a skilled liar.

As you say, none of that means his account of the shooting isn't true, but it does damage his credibility.

Wait trust.. I told you so.. Does the I told you so dance, told you so told you so..

Digs around through our old posts.. Aha found our big ole blogging session..

However it wont surprise me if Zimmerman's defense team open's with Zimmerman was molested defense.

Really hope that is sarcasm... would have floated better if you had said molested by Sandusky though.

Things that make you go what the hell! Rethinking my sarcasm yet?

Zimmerman supporters are a mob engaged in the posthumous lynching of Trayvon
Martin. Just as their fathers and grandfathers formed mobs and
lynched People of Color, cutting of body parts for souvenirs, this
mob is using the internet to butcher the character of the deceased
teenager. These same people that post lies that a 5'11 Trayvon was
6'3 and that a Merit Roll student was a Thug deserving to be killed.
These same people that state a photo of a Teenager that has Gold
Teeth, flashing a gang sign is the Trayvon Martin that Zimmerman
killed, all the time knowing that it was not him. These same people
that state Trayvon was guilty of an unprovoked attack, while
Zimmerman himself stated that Trayvon punched him when he saw him
reaching for something. These same people are now posting that true
statements about Zimmerman's perverted nature and his stereotyping of
people as to their ability to, “Act White”, is irrelevant to the
action that took place on the evening that he killed Trayvon.

Early on the lead Detective stated that this was a case of “Stereotyping”
that could have been avoided. The family member's testimony to
Zimmerman being raised in a household that held beliefs that there
were certain ways that White-skinned people acted that People of
Color should seek to emulate is very relevant to this case.
Stereotyping individuals is what Racial Profiling is all about,
Stereotyping is what White Supremacy is all about. Zimmerman's
Stereotyping of Trayvon Martin lead to the confrontation and eventual
shooting.

"Zimmerman supporters are a mob engaged in the posthumous lynching of Trayvon
Martin."

Riiiiight, everyone who doesn't agree with you is a racist. Brilliant. (sarcasm)

I'll tell you this much, some of the Z supporters are racists and what you assert...not everyone. Collectivist stereotyping like that is just BS...and it's no better than when they call poor Trayvon a "thug" as a code word for the N-word.

CalicoWhispers

ummm the accusation is he did the groping not the other way around...

DOCJT

Just how many kids "molest" each other every day? How many did YOU "molest" growing up? Just how full would you like to make the juvenile homes? Maybe we should lock up every girl who gets pregnant under the age of 18 and the one who fathered them? Oh and lets label them child predators as well and make them register as sex offenders for life... Where would you like to house them as they would not be permitted to be around other minors or attend school? See where your logic leads us if we lock up curious kids? Lets start with all the athletes and cheerleaders. Then the band members and preachers kids.

trust_verify:

Just how many kids "molest" each other every day?

Funny you say that, but when faced with the accusation George didn't???- instead he simply said, "Sorry" and left. You should do the same instead of making up groundless excuses slandering the poor woman in a defense George did not even put up himself?

Now look at the rest of your immaterial, asinine worthless post?

Lets start with all the athletes and cheerleaders. Then the band members

Good then, since you are a cheerleader for Zimmie and beat the drum for him even when he says he is "sorry", let's do start with you: and send you wherever Sandusky is housed, let you be cell buddies, and you two can grope each other without adult interference. (Fair warning though!!! -Sandusky takes it a wee bit further than just groping).

TV? why do you insist on being asinine in your posts?

nicebike-2727493....you are too funny.

If you read what Trust is saying he looks at all the aspects under what the law allows..

I don't support Zimmerman but I know damn well when I have read and verified what Trust has said this is going to be a bitch of a court case to prosecute.. But I have worked within the court system with clients to keep an open mind to what is going on.. Yes we can emotionally convict him because we see what he did as very inappropriate but under Florida law he can instigate a fight and then stand his ground as long as he doesn't assault the person he is instigating a fight with first..

As sick as that law is, that is the reality of it. The state has the burden of proof to bare that Zimmerman was unable to apply stand your ground because he in fact was the first person to make physical contact. No where have I seen anyone say that they seen Zimmerman assault first. Now granted they can use the fact Zimmerman lied several times to show that his word to the police was possibly a lie about Trayvon throwing the first punch.

Trust is going by laws and yes even though we have different opinions but share the same common knowledge of how courts work, and we are friends here on the vine. Sad people attack others because of differing opinions..

Trust, you know I was teasing you about the molestation but I am still reserving the right that at some time it will come up and I will then do the I told you so dance..

As for the accusations of molestation, if true they speak loads about Zimmerman's mentality. But if true a decade of abuse and at the time he was an adult and she was a minor then he should be punished for that. I understand 6/8 exploring they bodies but @!$%# 18/16 exploring incest is a long stretch to try to say that it is normal..

CalicoWhispers

Thanks for the support.

Work through this backwards... and I have a new twist on SYG that will throw everyone.. ok maybe not as I did post it elsewhere....

No question that George has been ACCUSED of some inappropriate things.

The age of consent in Florida is 18, but close in age exemptions exist. By law, the exception permits a person 23 years of age or younger to engage in legal sexual activity with a minor aged 16 or 17.

794.05 Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.-- (1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose

So it is a gray area at best under FL law and the person doing the interview very clearly attempted to get her to say there was penetration on the last encounter, which she did not claim. From a legal perspective there won't be any charges in FL and more than likely no where else either.

As sick as that law is, that is the reality of it. The state has the burden of proof to bare that Zimmerman was unable to apply stand your ground because he in fact was the first person to make physical contact.

AND

If you read what Trust is saying he looks at all the aspects under what the law allows..

Life gets tougher for the prosecution. I've been stating that it is doubtful the defense would request an SYG hearing.. I was wrong about the interview and what I stumbled across this morning makes me think I may be proven wrong on that hearing.

It turns out that an 776.032 hearing is a preponderance of evidence rather than beyond reasonable doubt. They could present only the existing evidence and never need to put George on trial.

we hold that a defendant may raise the question of statutory immunity pretrial and, when such a claim is raised, the trial court must determine whether the defendant has shown by a preponderance of the evidence that the immunity attaches.

Also simply because facts are in conflict is not a reason to deny immunity. That per the Florida Supreme court. It's already been taken that far in the past and set precedent.

The court may not deny a motion simply because factual disputes exist.  

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/fl-supreme-court/1548575.html

Granted in the case referred to the defendant lost but it did set precedent that only preponderance of the evidence, 51%, was necessary for immunity to attach. The fact that the facts are in dispute are not enough to deny or reject 776.032. The ONLY fact in dispute here is who swung first. I foresee a 776.032 hearing and better than 51% odds of immunity coming down... Maybe Judge Lester will accept that recuse card just so he isn't the one to let George go free.

The defense attorney was awfully anxious to suppress it for it being so meaningless.

A good defense attorney ALWAYS works in the best interest of their client, and that includes making every attempt to keep information out of the case that is prejudicial and/or isn't directly related to it. The prosecution is awfully anxious to bring in ANYTHING at this point, attempts at character assassination and pure fiction if necessary, since the 2nd degree murder charge is bogus, per Harvard Law Professor Alan Derschowitz for one. What to do, what to do... .

The real problem for the prosecution is seating a jury. It is already impossible to believe you could find 12 impartial jurors. Without that, there can be no trial.

Vegains you troll. Take your hatred somewhere else. Anywhere, just not here.

Stop feeding the troll.

It feeds on your responses.

Click the exclamation point at the right and select "ignore this author".

I have an idea. Lets build a memorial for Trayvon. I'm thinking of something along the lines of the Eiffel Tower.

Hold the Presses!!!

A new witness has come forward. Witness #685. This woman says she knows for sure Zimmerman shot Lincoln, killed his mother's doctor's dog, and ran three red lights in downtown New York City!!! Not only that, she is positive he was Hitler's driver and the guy that really shot Jack Kennedy!!!

joe, very funny.

""It’s just a known thing that that’s how the family feels," she said."

You are kidding, right? No specific instances can be recalled of anything they said or did that would give any indication they were racist.. it is "just a known thing". Yeah, right.. so she is a mind reader?

Don't let the facts get ya there Vincent...she is clearly related...

AND GZ apologized for it...

so I'm sure he didn't do it...

8 year old rapist? There is something you're missing.

"The witness also alleges that Zimmerman molested her over the course of a decade, starting when she was 6 years old."

The woman, identified in various reports and in taped interviews with investigators as witness 9, said that from the age of six to 19 Zimmerman repeatedly fondled her, at times penetrating her vagina with his finger.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/george-zimmerman_n_1676729.html

Hmmm..... sounds like rape to me.

People keep saying her timing is opportunistic.

She gave her testimony in March, long before we heard anything about it

Mr MacD 561

People keep saying her timing is opportunistic.

She gave her testimony in March, long before we heard anything about it

heard about WHAT? the shooting? Happened Feb 26 2012. She contacted police shortly after claiming George was a racist. Tell us where in her interview she accused George with any sort of racism and provided details of what she considered racism.

AND GZ apologized for it...

Wrong, just because she said he apologized for it doesnt make it true.

And, don't forget Wayne, GZ apologized for it...why would he apologize if he didn't do it?

Wayne Wilkins

Zimmerman's phone call to the police after the shooting and during that time, he whispered and NO JOKE, " F- - king Coon!

For the record the prosecution has said he used the term effing PUNK. I want to say that was based on FBI analysis. But lets go with your and others theory he said coon. you are aware that THREE of the local Gangs use Coon in their names? Read the 284 page report so you aren't taking just my word for it.

And, don't forget Wayne, GZ apologized for it...why would he apologize if he didn't do it?

Says the witness...

So? Gangs have nothing to do with the incident. Unless you would like to admit that George was profiling.

Jo An- I forgot again. Did GZ apologize? Just making sure.

For the record the prosecution has said he used the term effing PUNK. I want to say that was based on FBI analysis. But lets go with your and others theory he said coon. you are aware that THREE of the local Gangs use Coon in their names?