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The aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis transits the Straits of Hormuz in this U.S. Navy photo from Nov. 12, 2011.
The Pentagon is sending the aircraft carrier USS John Stennis to the Persian Gulf region four months ahead of schedule as tensions rise over Iran’s nuclear program.
An eight-month deployment will be twice as long as originally planned, defense officials told NBC News on Monday.
The major shift in the Stennis deployment comes as Iran renewed its threat to shut down the Strait of Hormuz over tighter international sanctions and the possibility that Israel may launch pre-emptive airstrikes against Iran's nuclear facility.
About 40 percent of the world's seaborne oil exports pass through the strait.
The shift and extension of the Stennis deployment will allow the U.S. Central Command to keep two aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf region, Gulf of Oman and North Arabian Sea, not only as a hedge against Iran, but also to support combat air operations over Afghanistan.
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The carrier USS Lincoln left the Persian Gulf area Monday.
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The carriers Enterprise and Eisenhower will remain in the region until the Stennis relieves the Enterprise about five months from now.
It will take the Stennis about a month to reach the region.
The Stennis, whose home port is Naval Base Kitsap in Bremerton, Wash., is at sea in the Pacific, the Navy said.
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Good to see the proper step are being taken to secure ALL of our interests abroad in a show of force!! Hope nothing happens but if it does, its not just the US that gets effected buy the straight being shut down. Its a world wide interest !!
Agreed......better safe than sorry. Sounds like the other two carriers probably need the relief. Money well spent if you ask me.
The stennis was there a few months ago, too, just like the enterprise was there a few months before that. My brother is on the stennis and my brother in law on the enterprise - so I'm hoping Iran shuts up.
Well technically Iran does own half of the straight. They can shut down their half if they so desire. But it would be a foolish move.
Iran has the right to glow radioactively.....
israel will do ANYTHING to get America to go to war with Iran.
US Soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan: 6500
israeli soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan: 0
jews hide, Americans die.
jews = spineless cowards
We have no interest there other than the oil that isn't ours. I wish Obama wold just go ahead and declare war so you idiots would see the result of a war that would absolutely drag in the entire Middle East as well as China and Russia. It will then be you who has the right to glow radioactively.
I want to know why you morons think things will be so different when, after 10 years, we haven't achieved victory in Afghanistan and never will. Things have gotten no better there but I know you believe the things the liberal media tells you. The soldiers who have been there when it started and have gone back will tell you its still just as bad when it started. Only fools who are willing to send someone else's child believe differently.
All in the name of protecting Israel.
To bad stories like this get buried below crap like whether or not Sylvester Stallone's kid overdosed or not. Wake up America!
The real reason israel wants a war with Iran has little to do with nukes and a whole lot more to do with the current political and military situation in Israel's own back yard...and they want thousands of Americans to die and the US Treasury to pay the bill.
Will Israel need US support? Sure. But they won't get that by simply asking. Even if the answer is "NO", Netanyahu knows he can just act and drag the Americans in by default.
I hope we don't have to "engage"....our current admin. probably won't allow it....and that would put our men and women in dire jeopardy.
Holy Cow, another Holy War. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdWhlo9b9zg
Jews are not spineless cowards. They are the best of us.
I'm kind of surprised that MSNBC finds sending a warship into a potentially hostile area as an important news item...from among their daily homepage items of "Suri Getting a Puppy", waxy Kim Kardashian's latest swimsuit photos, updates on the Lindsay Lohan clan, and discussions of Jennifer Lopez's desire to get back into making movies like the other all time classics she's starred in. I guess Jennifer Aniston and Ashton Kutcher must have been busy doing something else today. I thank them for that.
Why would anyone bother caring about our warship and her sailors when there is all that other absolute crap that MSNBC seems to find so very important...on a daily pukifying basis.
If I had invented the internet instead of Al Gore doing it, by now I would have jumped off a bridge seeing what so many American idiots seem to want to use my invention for. No wonder I believe the nation would be better off with fewer people voting, rather than more. Maybe Mitt Romney should pick one of the twits listed above as his VP pick...there's enough loons in this land of ours who would go out and secure the dreaded "photo ID" if it actually meant they could pull a voting lever next to "JLo (R)"...and most would think the (R) indicated that the VP candidate was righthanded.
Here's a novel idea:
The Pentagon plans on spending $88.4 billion on the war in Afghanistan next year. How about we pull out now and use that money to pay back some of that $2.6 trillion that was borrowed (stolen) from the Social Security Trust Fund instead.
Backstabbing jew banned, rereg of Hugh Class=.
BackstabbingJew, Your name is fitting... Firstly you couldn't be more wrong, All Israel has to do is ask and they will get ALL the support they need, its guaranteed under their alliance. The difference is that the US is only trying to delay the attack until they are completely guaranteed a victory with little resistance, The US military is not blind nor naive, they will prepare. The main goal for the US is to keep the shipping lanes open and keep others out of the skirmish, this can only be done with a short war. BTW- this is not the first time they have had issues with Iran over the straight, they have exchanged ordinance in the past and sank a few Iranian boats just to make it clear to them the US is serious.
Does not anyone question the timing and sudden urgency? Just as Clinton meets with Netanyahu things are moved up, perhaps Israel thinks they are prepared for the battle. And Just maybe, Clinton just guaranteed fueling tankers for their jets to reach Iran...
Really Texson? I'll be damn, I could have sworn it was this administration that sent the Navy SEALS to kill Bin Laden. Did George to that? ...hell no; but he did get over 6500 Americans killed by going into Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you suppose that qualifies as putting our men and women in dire jeopardy? Or does that only happen if Democrats are in office? Damn man...go back to FOX and get your FIX.
My daughter is on the USS Enterprise in the Persian Gulf... I just pray that God gives "The Powers That Be" the strength and knowledge to make the right decisions in this matter and that all of our Men and Women who serve our Country stay safe from harm.
When I read stories like these it scares the ba-jesus out of me!! I just ask that you all keep these men and woman in your prayers!!
Thanks you!
Backstabbing jew
“Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.” -Plato
we now have 4 Aircraft Carriers in that area...
WHEN WILL THE USA LEARN??? we need to stop picking fights with other nations... WE ARE BROKE and we are going to reap what we sow...
AHHHHHHHHHHHH
Newsvine, thank you for "banning" "backstabbingjew". He was most offensive......now, if you will keep an eye on "Newbook", that would be appreciated. Apparently, Newbook has a problem with communicating civilly as well.....
Mama, You can count on those prayers.
@Jonathan-1728701
The interventionalist establishment is going to run this nation in to the ground and the little people are going to suffer for it.
Now, to make this whole scenario complete, we just need Obama to apologize to the fish in the strait for invading their territory.
Swell. Just what we need. Yet ANOTHER pointless, asinine conflict that will get our fine soldiers killed for nothing.
Exactly. Hence, yet another useless and pointless quagmire we will be drawn into. We're Israel's bytch, not the other way around. Think they will actually fight? Yeah right. They'll just sit back and happily watch our guys get killed over them.
Some ally, huh?
*Rolls eyes*
I wish the US would stop fighting Israel's wars.
Joe S.-761084
Jews are not spineless cowards. They are the best of us.
.........."us"? Excuse me, but speak for yourself, I am an American citizen. Yes, there are brave Israelis, but this isn't an issue of bravery, but one of realization that they got their butts kicked in southern Lebanon a few years back and are having doubts about their former military superiority, so now Israeli leadership is willing to sacrifice many American lives to further their own agenda, and I for one hope they all go to f'ing hell for it if that happens. And yes, Israel did not look so good against Hezbollah in that last confrontation. I am no Hezbollah fan, but they did give Israel fits in that conflict.
Nailed it. Beautiful post. You said it best. Frame that one, folks.
ALL OF THE ISRAELIS over there are NOT worth ONE SINGLE AMERICAN life. Sorry, but that's the truth.
Israel wants a fight with Iran? Fine - they can pick one all by their onesies.
Glad they are sending USS Stennis to the region.
One look at these Boats in person (USS Stennis and USS Eisenhower), and I kid you not folks; Iran or any middle East bullies do not stand a chance...
One wrong move by Iran and it's over in less than a few hours. If they decide to fight, the most feared US Nuclear Submarines are not far behind....to mess with these deep water creepers is to ask for too much....ask the Russians, every time these creepers pass by the Russian coast; the Russians put everything down, including the Vodka...and that my friends, is very unusual....even by Russian standards...
LOL
You Obama fans kill me. Can you say "Wag the Dog"? This guy will kill Americans to stay in power....
He's not there to fight Iran...Obama is "beefing" up to stop Israel from doing what the USA should, and could, have done in 2004.
Enough of this kind of crap!
Isreal's concern is they are the first ones to get hit by a Iranian Nuke. If anything is really going on it is the US holding the Israelis back from doing anything.
A wise man learns from other mens mistakes, a fool learns on his own!
Jonathan-1728701,
Follow this link and read what Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s message is on the coming of the last Islamic messiah, then tell me we're the ones picking a fight. He's the one issuing threats against the US and Israel.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/iran-leader-we-must-prep-for-end-of-times/
"The Pentagon is sending the aircraft carrier USS John Stennis to the Persian Gulf region four months ahead of schedule for an eight-month deployment – twice as long as originally planned, defense officials told NBC News on Monday."
Just in case Obama needs to start a war with Iran in a last ditch effort to win reelection (Wag the Dog)?
When will the Iranian leaders realize that there will never again be another Persian Empire? With all the wealth they could, first and foremost, provide the best of all things for their people and when satisfied, if they wished, for all those living in less fortunate countries.
Pitching themselves against the rest of us will only bring hardship, misery, pain and destruction to millions all around the world. One can ask, what’s all this for, the prestige and the egos of a few in their leadership!?
Mama.....Many of us hope your daughter will be safe. Whatever happens we know she is the best of the best. Hopefully being prepared and showing our strength for the worse will shut up the barking dogs.
While the guy's username "backstabbing----" is harsh, but Israel has managed to help the world hate us by proxy. Let them go to war and let's sit a war out.
Roy Wilson--Some day you have to stop that BS. "Wag the Dog"? Mr Romney has said that President Obama hasn't been tough enough on Iran and he would be tougher, if elected. There is not a single day that goes by that you don't engage in partisan hackery--the like of Karl Rove.
Mama and Rob, we hope your daughter and brother, respectively, will remain safe. Part of what the Stennis (and the rest of the military contingent in the Persian Gulf region) is there for is a deterrent against Iranian action. Go Navy!
How much will we borrow from China to pursue this obvious boondoggle? I want to see daily expense figures.
Enough of this crap. This is straight from the news medias lips who are owned by the very same people who want us in conflict in this region.
Open your eyes.
Chill, Ol_Doc, I'm just saying. Don't be in such a hurry for bloodshed and the horror of war....we haven't even finished with Afghanistan yet. I'm retired AF myself, and I'm just as patriotic as anyone else. It's just the older I get, the more I find myself scratching my head as to what we accomplish anymore with our planetary policing....that's all....
I'm all for backing Israel's hand, it's just a shame that the old prophecy of "wars and rumors of wars" that would indicate "the last days" seem to be coming about.
The boss must think that being prepared is a good idea on this I would agree...Iran is the crazy horse in this mess that would not think far enough ahead as to what would happen if the went nuclear on Israel or the US. That being said I hope nothing happens..the loss of life first of all would be significant, second the money is not there, but money not being there is no deterrent for spending as it seems.
Some of the resondeers show how pathetically ignorant and bigoted they are. Just like the American Firsters prior to the Pearl Harbor bombing, these dopes believe that America is not dependent on what goes on in the rest of the world. Iran is an implaccable hater of the US and considers America the great satan. With maniacs like those in control of Iran, allowing this bunch of fanatics to acquire the bomb would be disastrous for the US. For Iran to threaten even tiny Israelis is madness because Israel has enough Atomic bombs to destroy Iran. Can you imagine the effect of 200 atomic bombs dropped on this country of maniacs because that would be Israel's retaliation if, G-d forbid, Iran ever attacked Israel. I'm sure that many of the idiots who offered their comments are unaware that The US became involved in the war against nazi Germany because Hitler declared war on America. If Hitler wasn't such a maniac nazi, he would have let America limit its fight to Japan and concentrated his resources against England and Russia. I cetainly don't want war as the US has lost enough brave servicemen and servicewomen in the wars since WW!!. However, we cannot become paralyzed to the point of denial, as so many were about the intentions of Hitler and the Japanese, because the effect was over 50 million killed.
Obama is costing the US tons of money by sending this carrier over there just waiting to start a war. Just wait, he will start a war with iran now, and blame it on bush along with all the money that obama will spend to fund this new war.
Obama just lost my vote.
More war seems just right!!! Baaaaaaaaaqaaaaaaaaaaa
I am usually against war, but since the Libs are soooo much smarter at war than the conservatives, I am stoked for this up and coming war!!!!! BAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Lib war, dare I say....Its science!!!!!!
Metro sexuals!....we want you , we want you, we want you as a new recruit!!!
If I had been President on September 12th, 2001........we would live in a world free from Islamic extremists!
I would have been on the phone the night before, after the towers fell, telling the leaders of Russia, Europe and China what was about to happen and that I was not shooting at them. 5-10 ICBM's with a 10 MIRV bus later, the world we live in now would be a much better place! Not to mention that the job would have cost us less than $100 million and saved ALL of the service men and women who paid with thier lives in the ground wars that occured instead!!!!
John Haddock....sounds like you have played a few games of "Battleship"...so we trust your wisdom in these matters...........NOT!
Oil from the Gulf Region feeds Europe our NATO allies more so than the US. Do some checking on who gets oil from that Region.
Obama is posing looking to be Mr Bad A s s so he can garner votes. I would like to see Europe get off its Big Social A and pitch in with mouth, equipment commitment, support against Iran, right along with Mid east countries who have the most to loose if Iran goes bad. But The King OB is not liked by our European Allies and they may just give lip service to it if nothing else. They see Ob as the one who let this get out of hand by playing for two years or more/ It want last long they ( Iran) do not have the Gasoline or energy resources; nor the capability to produce finished fuel products. They import Gasoline, Diesel, Heating oil. So what does their Military run on Sand? Yea they have some stock piles which would be blown up.. A big Mouth that needs to have been closed years ago..when the Komeni was alive/... The Gulf states could handel this with our back up alone.. Do any of you really think the Iranians have let their Air force really train, or their ground forces. Military under dictators do not work very well on a battle field, but they do with terriost actions on a limited scale..
Slap them down now and the fools in Irak we left behind who will allie themselves with Iran.. The old friend of my enemy deal Ar4abs here.. Sardar and friends will be with Iran in this, right along with Hezbola if they are crazy enough. West bank forget it. Egypt Forget it. Aswan would be blown up no more Egypt. That would make very many happy in Africa above the Aswan.
So I say "make the Move Iran"; it has been too long, and needs to be finished now.. Just wish it was not under OBs watch, but then Again they know OB is mostly Bull S hi t any way. Why he played with this since he came in office, the magic one remember how he would deal with Iran, well he did it his way and now where are we? They think he is just full of bluster and bull wich I think he is..
But if the football is kicked the Pentagon will deal with it, and hope OB and company sit back; and let the Pentagon do its job. Because this administartion is full of Liberal idiots..
Best of you.
Kai. Great post!
A MUST READ…the 12th Imam by Joel Rosenberg!!!
Latest from friends in Israel. "Israel prepairing for attack on Iran within hours." Where does this come from ? US carriers (not one ) heading for Gulf.? Troop shipments from California and Afganistan to Middle East. Are we making the same mistake again? Hope not.
israel will drag America into a war with Iran so deep and so fast, then step back and wait for us to clean it up for them.
Why? Because jews are ALWAYS instigators, never warriors..
Every American conflict in the middle east has been instigated by the jews for their benefit, and against American interests, and at the cost of thousands of US lives and Trillions of dollars of US tax payers money.
Ignorant fool calling himself Backstabbing jew. What a liar and bigot he is. I bet he is an Arab troll, ignorant and spreading hate. Typical.
joe= another lying Hasbara scxmbag
We are the ones holding Israel back. They would have bombed Iran into dust by now, but we keep trying to find a "diplomatic solution". Isarel doesn't need us. They have a massive military and some of the best weapons in the world.
Backstabbing - Are you for real or just another one of Obama's staff? By the way it's Hezbollah you F'n idiot.
Backstabbing Jew, why dont you STFU! your a piece of $hiat and no one wants to hear your blabbering. You seriously dont have a fricking idea of what your talking about. did your mommy cuddle you to much or are you that pathetic?
backstabbingjew? what a douchebag!
Backstabing Jew is a simple minded sub-human who is fueled with hatred of a group of people. freedome and justice is not part of his mindset, rather he is motivated by hatred. I have read several of his posts and they are filled with unsubstatiated conspiracy theories that are simple product of his hateful mind to discredit people.
Please ignore him.
TD-1914413 - not to play devil advocate but Hasbara is the correct term. He knows his stuff so I am guessing he is a direct enemy of the Israeli state and just spouting off because he is an Arab.
Obviously he's an idiot, which means more than likely he's also a neoconservative. The Neo Nazi rant just confirms it.
99 luft balloons http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZwhzf8NC4o&feature=related
This is way off topic but needs to be said. Ever since this switch to NBC news, I have yet to be able to directly open ANY articles on the front page of the website that was formerly MSNBC. To get to this one, I first had to go to the contact NBC page (The Contact NBC page is worse than Useless) then I clicked random links at the bottom until I found this page and then clicked it. Its very hard to tell you how I did it exactly its all a jumble.
I wish Congress would pay attention, this is what happens when they forget that there is such a thing as the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. I suspect that Comcast has had something to do with this buyout of the Microsoft part of MSNBC. Now the result, broken 404 error links everywhere on the main page (other than the useless contact page... to the Moderators, I TRIED to contact NBC but as I said, all I found on the useless contact page, was useless information and NO e-mail ADDRESS!!!!!!!).
I know this is off topic but I wonder how many others have NOT been able to find this page. My apologies for this totally off topic post.
Tony,
The Beggars have internet, and read English.
Tony, and everybody, what are your vices? Mine is ice cream. I'm having another helping...and another...maybe another. Know why? Because it looks like an all out nuclear exchange is in our near future. If you're not in the blast the fallout will get you. So, eat, drink, and be merry, y'all!
bsjew they have figured out on the vine, no matter how fast you rereg...you will always be a bigot and a loser..too bad you weren't aborted by your mother.
I'd like to see more negotiations before we start beating the war drums again...Iran is still in a position to negotiate.
Aren't we going to give these sanctions a chance to work?
NBC.News: OUTRAGEOUS!
Backstabbing Jew as a Name?. You find this acceptable?. What is the new credibility of NBC now?
NBC. Your true colors are showing, allowing this Bigot to keep the name, while you dump all the racists. Most names I find to use, are banned--
Is this a good way to start out?
Let Israel off the chain & let them take care of business.
Sieg Heil! ...a$$munch.
We are on Israel's chain, it's called AIPAC, where the hell have you been?
They couldn't take of Iran, they couldn't squash Hezabollh several years ago in southern Lebanon, got out with their noses bloodied.
Roadhouse Blues Stop Israel was kicking Hezballah's butt, as they hid behind woman and children, but had to let off the pedal many times. You know that they would have wiped them out , if they wanted to, but held back, when they hid behind women's skirts. Look up in the sky, it's........ Mr. Boom Boom
@Road, You should get your facts straight. Isreal didnt lose that war.
While I'd be glad to see Iran get completely wiped off the map, it's time for Israel to handle their own problems.
This is far too big an issue to pin it down to just politics, and radical religious racisism, and/or Israel, or Iran being the good guy, the bad guy, or whatever.........
This military crap, and the inane loss of life all across the board, all comes down to dollars.....money....gold...THE HAVES......THE HAVE NOT'S.......THE 1% of THE WORLD.....and the 99% of THE WORLD........
The dropping of bombs, sending men and women (boys and girls) into harms way, the new TECHNOLOGY OF THE ANTISEPTIC WAR MACHINE has made it so easy to send the military that belongs to "WE THE PEOPLE", the 99%, out to PROTECT THE INTERESTS OF THE FEW, the 1%!
We are all, worldwide, drawn into the battle of SHEDDING THE BLOOD OF OUR YOUTH, to protect the dollars of the few!
Unfortunately, it will NEVER be just about Israel, nor any single country -----REMEMBER THE FALKLAND'S / WHY? -------- it is about $$$$$$$ ----- ONLY $$$$$$$$$ ------ AND THE 1% that control it ALL!!!!!!
Israel is a great friend in the war on terror & money!
The USA does well to police the world for its corporate interests!
Agreed, MB. But, after Israel takes care of Iran (and they could very well do that), the entire Muslim region in Arabia would unite in retaliation against Israel.....then, get ready for Armageddon......America is in a decline right now in world opinion, so we may not have much influence for too much longer....but, as for now, we still have Israel's back, and the Muslim extremists are hesitant to pick a real fight with them (Israel) because of it.
Mark, you make a good point as well, but what can I say......Welcome to Planet Earth.
It is presumptuous to assume the entire Muslim region to come down on Israel if Israel engages in a war with Iran. It's not like Iran is well liked or supported. If Israel handles Iran better than the U.S. handled Iraq or Afghanistan...there could be very little reverberations.
Take out the regime in Iran, let it be clear the battle is with that regime...and let the Irani people install new leadership themselves. That is how Iraq was supposed to be....lets hope the Israelis do a better job of it than we did...no reason to occupy Iran, or try to meddle with who takes over and when.
Well, I hope you're right, T-Rex, but, through recent years of observation, many have found Islam to be a very volatile and unpredictable religion, that still views the "West" as the "Great Satin". All I'm saying is that we need to really "look at it" before opening "Pandora's box".....
Tell cry-baby Romney to man-up, grow some presidential ballz, and quit whining like a little weenie-boy and release his tax records. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZwhzf8NC4o&feature=related
Texson55
Agreed, MB. But, after Israel takes care of Iran (and they could very well do that), the entire Muslim region in Arabia would unite in retaliation against Israel
......Israel had problems dealing with Hezbollah in southern Lebanon a few years back, Iran has much greater military capabilities. The majority of the Arab world is Sunni and does not like Shiite Iran, which is not Arab, but Persian. I suspect the Saudis would like nothing better than to see the Israelis (or anybody for that matter) takeout Iran, but it won't happen, unless Iran is stupid enough to start something first.
Now you complained to Tyler about Newbook, who the hell is that, haven't seen any posts from that name up to this point?
As soon as Obama releases all his locked up academic and other records from those early years, Roosterboy.
Mark all the troops that go to fight signed up btw theres no draft!! It's simple don't wanna go to war don't join the Millitary!!
Gee Wally, this bud is for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMuDtfxAIKk&feature=related
Don't tell Ward or June, or Eddie Haskell.
Wally, Wally, Wally, there is a world of difference between academic records and US tax records, I'm sure you understand that.....then again....perhaps you don't, nevermind.
Erock, those people joined the US military to defend our country, not risk their lives to make Israel and AIPAC happy, if you feel so strongly, go over there and join the Israeli army, I'm sure they could use all the help they can get.
Thanks for the update, Roadhouse Blues, "Newbook" obviously has been "deleted" from this forum. He was another one of those who wanted to see how many people here he could offend.
Still and to your point, I wouldn't brand Israel as "whimps" by any means....they know more about war in their own backyard than the US does. But all the same, I don't think we're going to be fighting any war for anybody in the near future.....we're tapped. We can't even "bluff" Syria! So I think in the end this one will, in fact, land on Israel...
@ Roadhouse, Wally, Wally, Wally, there is a world of difference between academic records and US tax records, I'm sure you understand that.....then again....perhaps you don't, nevermind.
The difference is that were the records requested of Obama to actually be produced (which I don't expect them to ever be), becoming POTUS under fraudulent pretenses, not only would null and void his presidency, but he may well do a little time in the federal penn. Whereas, Romney's tax records would wouldn't hurt him any more than those of Timothy Geitner's or Tom Dashle's, or even those of Charlie Rangel (apparently).
"Whereas, Romney's tax records would wouldn't hurt him any more than those of Timothy Geitner's or Tom Dashle's, or even those of Charlie Rangel (apparently)."
Then why doesn't Romney release them like every other presidential nominee has?
One move and the world we be saying," remember when their was a country called Iran ?" It was right here on the map where it is all glass now !
RRRRiiigggghhhtttt - wouldn't that be nice - to be known as the country that incinerated 78 million people.
I love all you morons that think we can actually turn a country into glass.
"See that house? Its where the idiots that think we can turn countries into glass live!"
MM you are just another idiot willing to kill anothers child because you are too much of a coward and fight yourself.
When israel attacks Iran......the Chinese and Russians will sit back and watch the death spasms of American superpower.
The Russkis and Chinese will probably just play the waiting game and supply Iran with fxcktons of weaponry while issuing angry protests at the UN and secretly laughing their asses off. That's the smart move.
They can win this thing just by sitting back and watching the fireworks.
Sure, the world economy will tank but Russian and Chinese populations are better suited to austerity than all the spoiled @!$%#s in Western countries who'll @!$%# a brick when they can't afford a new flatscreen.
Get us the F out of the Muslim World, just be done with it.
All you idiots that think we can win a war against Iran really have no idea what kind of world we live in. Iran has a larger population, more weapons, better education and a true national unity based on thousands of years of common ethnicity.
Almost the entire country is mountains. Take all of the things that have made Iraq and Afghanistan impossible to win in and amplify them by 10.
Just call it quits. We're only there because the Saudis need to build more palaces instead of really investing in a proper defense.
United States: Approximately 5,000 total warheads: 1,737 deployed strategic warheads, approximately 500 operational tactical weapons (some 200 deployed in Europe), and approximately 2,700 reserve warheads (active and inactive) in storage. APPROX. These numbers are approx. what the US has available May 2012.
Will we turn it into glass, no. However we can make sure that nothing carbon based can live there for thousands of years
backstabbingjew--May the fleas from your camel and goat go in your burqa and rag hat on the grounds of " your own traditions".
Nobody in this entire world is stupid enought to launch another nuke! Twice is surely enough! It is just about who is more scarey than whom! Like it or not ----- nuke wise ----- not even the Chinese will ever be scarier than the good old USA ------ leverage????? A VERY BIG MAYBE !!!! Even that dolt in North Korea issues threats of no threats!
IT IS ALL A SHOW !!!! WHO HAS BIGGER TOYS THAN WHOM !!!!!! SIMPLE !
SO LET'S ALL BE ADULTS AND STOP TALKING ABOUT 'NUKE THEM!' BECAUSE IT IS SO INFINTILE!
Thank you Mark
Mark Groblewski "Nobody in this entire world is stupid enought to launch another nuke!"
I disagree, Mark, that's why issues over in Pakistan are so threatening. They are just "radical" enough to do just that! When a culture is taught that "suicide" is honorable, you have no idea whether they'll "launch" or not!
Texson55
Mark Groblewski "Nobody in this entire world is stupid enought to launch another nuke!"
I disagree, Mark, that's why issues over in Pakistan are so threatening. They are just "radical" enough to do just that
............You are painting the Pakis in the same light as the Iraninan mullahs, and even they are not that crazy or eager for destruction, it would mean an end to their Islamic state, which they want to preserve. The Paki leadership is very secular, not Islamic fundamentalist, though they may play up to those militants. They like their power, position, money and the good life, and do not want to lose it.
I hope you're right, Roady! I hope "intelligent reasoning" always wins out in the end.....still, you just never know...
Boy, I hope this is just Ahmedinajad and the Ayatollahs spouting off for domestic consumption. Another war in this region is the last thing we need right now.
We can probably make a show of strength off the coast of Iran, but we're spread too thin to get into another war. To be clear, I support pulling out of the Middle East completely (still retaining Israel as an ally as we ever have), but let the "dogs of war" take care of themselves. We can't afford to "police" the planet any longer.....and nobody appreciates it anyway!
Gee, and we're in favor of reducing the size of our military why????
You poor little kitten, you lost your Mitt-ens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-58-36lSqG4
Bob in KC-545426
Gee, and we're in favor of reducing the size of our military why????
..........Ever hear the phrase "Quantity is not quality"? The weapons systems we have, and are, developing eliminate a lot of the need for boots on the ground. That will still be needed, but as time goes on, more in the clean up mode of operation. There should be, hopefully, no more need for another Omaha Beach scenario.
Roadhouse, as to your question "who's NewBook, keep reading.....he's further down the page, and is a real piece of work....
Looks like Obama's October surprise might come a bit early........Like in August !
They sink a carrier, Obama will the way of Jimmie Carter
You are correct, this was predicted several months ago. Some said it would happen without question if BO's poll number stay low. Where are the pro-leftist who complain about spending money on war.
Castro said it over 2 years ago!
Castro speculates Obama might strike Iran to win second term
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/292920#ixzz20osPRZEM
The oil well go up our economy down. Civil unrest and riots.Martial law and no elections! Thats the only way i see Obama staying in office.
Or maybe an election where Mitt doesn't win? Yes it could happen.
I don't care for MR but BO is not an option. BO does not care about anyone but his A-list wealthy buddies if you believe otherwise you are extremely foolish. How many invites to 5 digit dinners did anyone other than that get? He'll throw you under the bus and over the cliff with out one simple thought. Think useful idiot and I don't mean that in a disrespectful way!
"BO does not care about anyone but his A-list wealthy buddies if you believe otherwise you are extremely foolish."
Are you suggesting that Mitt DOES care about "anyone but his A-List wealthy buddies?" Because if you believe otherwise you may want to reconsider your definition of "foolish."
Oh boy here we go again with the $$$ of Gasoline, all due to the RAG-HEADS!
Lets put the floating city to good use and GLASS THAT S--T Hole!
@To all cowards
You sound like Hitler. So you really want to nuke another country and kill millions for lower gas prices?
Brilliant!
Hateful part of the world ....
I am not a big fan of the money changers. However, they can strike Iran all by themselves.
Israel is equipped with newly modified Dolphin-class subs with an Israel-made 1,500-km range cruise missile that can carrying 200 kiloton nuclear warheads, can fire 60 of the 135-kilometer range US-made Harpoon missiles also fitted with nuclear warheads, or the Popeye with various war head types.
All these missiles are fired through the newly-enlarged 650mm-26-inch tubes, can reach Iranian coastal targets including its nuclear sites as well as naval, port and Revolutionary Guards facilities.
The Dolphins' expanded fuel tanks enable them to cover distances of up to 10,000 kilometers from their Mediterranean home port (instead of 8,000 kilometers heretofore) and spend more time - up to 50 days - off the Iranian coast.
There are three of them there right now, supported with Arab and U.S.
So why be there? or Japan or Germany? Ron Pauls idea of keeping our nose out is right! close overseas bases and stop the wars! write RP in for president.
A submariner told me two american nuclear subs can almost destroy the planet.One in Maine and one in Alaska,from theyre docks!Its all about money! Beware of the military industrial complex.
Our country is broke and were doing what? Being the police of the world?And a muslim part of the world that hates us enough as it is.
It is not the nuclear missiles everyone fears. It is the modified Ohio's that freak the Chinese and Russians out. These can fire155 tommies with various warheads.
No anti-missile system on the planet can defend against an attack like that.
We have five such modified Ohio's
Biblical prophesy says "in the last days, Israel will stand on her own"... Just an observation, but it's kinda lookin like that more and more each day.... I know many people don't want to hear anything from the Bible, but....what if it's true?? Heaven help ya if it is!
Quit talking out your @$$. The harpoon carries a 480 pound conventional warhead and only has a range of 60 miles. What secret nuclear site have they built on the coast?
YOUR WORDS: Quit talking out your @$$. The harpoon carries a 480 pound conventional warhead and only has a range of 60 miles. What secret nuclear site have they built on the coast?
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UM NO! A Block 4 Tomahawk can carry a 200 Kiloton Warhead (W80 series)
or a 1000 pounds of conventional firepower with a 2500 km (1500 mile range)
It's a considerable deterrent to many non-Nato armed forces.
There's also the successor to the Tomahawk which is an upgrade of an old design
from the 1960's call Sub-Roc! That missile is a supersonic system with combination
turbofan with a much longer range in the 4000 km range and a final rocket engine for
a nearly unstoppable 100 to 200 km final hit at nearly Mach 3 and has the capability
to carry the 375 Kiloton W88 variable yield warhead or almost 1800 lbs of conventional
explosive. So YES WE COULD turn much of Iran (or the Middle East!) into green glowing glass
BUT that would have a rather severe environmental blowback on the U.S. (and everyone else!)
in addition to the unseemly politics that result. Me thinks it would be better to have the USA
and Israel continue their behind-the-scenes Computer-based warfare (i.e. Stuxnet and
other computer viruses) which seems to have been quite effective at slowing Iran's nuclear
industry down to a snail's pace. And to REALLY slow it down...may I suggest simple greed
(i.e. cash payoff) and a few "pretty young lass spies" to lure those rather wanting young
Iranian scientists into the western fold. That would be CHEAPER, far less destructive
and likely JUST AS EFFECTIVE! at reducing Iran's nuclear capability.
Thank GOD Obama is in charge!!!
The previous administration would be launching another war, giving taxpayer paid no-bid contracts to their buddies, securing tax cuts for the rich and making sure Wall Street has little or no oversight...
Oh wait, that's why America is in such a mess now...
Strange, I was under the belief the military(ours anyways) always had some plan or contingency for wars or at least put in some sort of study or simulation regardless of the administration at the white house.
EDIT: Seems like you edited your first part, could of sworn you wrote planning another war. Oh well.
I guess the dumb FUX NEWS fans still think we saved the world from Sadam's WMD's and nuke program and the middle east is as stable as a TEA Partiers social security check...
Newbook, I know this might be difficult, but could you please try to make an intelligent point that is relevant to the topic AND contributes to the message board WITHOUT obscenities and childish name calling?? Really...it's juvenile and does little more than make you look like a mindless cheerleading political party zombie. Act like an adult, please.
Are you kidding me newbook? Bush was a poor President but Obama is beyond incompetent. Fortunately for us he doesn't have the balls to really do anything.
I'm not a fan of Romney, but hopefully he has a spine, unlike the fool in charge now.
Oh please, don't give me that be an adult B-S.
I'm dealing with people that believe the news and information they're getting is "Fair and Balanced"...
LMAO. I suppose not reporting the 'Fast & Furious' cover up by Holder and the Narcissist Incompetent in the White House for a period of 18 months, is 'fair and balanced' by the alphabet propaganda media (NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN et al.)
You are a good bet, that you could never understand how FOX has more viewers than all of your leftist commie alphabet media stations .......combined. LMAO
I was wondering when the "radical left" was gonna show up....nice to see you, newbook.....we actually had a nice informative forum going here with the exchanging of ideas....now, I guess you want the vile vitriol to commence, huh? There goes the neighborhood.....
Yeah...I was right....there's all of the vile and filthy language common with the far left....
You can't support that statement. Obama is a lier any way. Read the speech , The American Dream, that he gave in 2007 and you will see how full of it he is newbook.
"nice to see you, newbook.....we actually had a nice informative forum going here with the exchanging of ideas."
No we didn't...unless you consider yelling "turn it into glass" and "Obama has no Balls" or "Obama is doing this for reelection" nice and informative.
Personally I don't.
The real reason I believe is because of another false flag attack at the Olympics...
In search of enemies...
Or, the scenario of Brave New World in which a society was in perpetual war to maintain peace...
There is a book out that discusses this very thing that the United States cannot stay for long in a state of peace and that another conflict must pop up after one is concluded. You also have to look at this year as an election year so if our current president faces an enemy (which could be bombed by proxy by Israel) that stengthens his position as Commander in Chief. This goes way beyond just Iran and its nuclear ambitions.
The only thing Oblameo will do is apologize to anyone and everyone he can find. He will probably apologize to the fish for our "invasion" of the Strait.
"Oblameo" Wow that is really clever and I bet you think it makes you sound intelligent. It doesn't
Bob. Have you turned 13 yet?
Surely you don't mean the "Brave New World" written by Aldous Huxley because I don't even remember seeing the word "war" in that novel.
Dumb idea,the minute the first bombs drop whatever is left of our economy goes down the tubes.Oil prices well be insane.Obamas war.
I am not so sure. Iran is bunched up at Bander. A couple tommies in there would take %70 of their naval assets. Than there missile batteries. The C108 is harmless, just ding a carriar, the Moskit has a huge heat signature and can be jammed very easily with no shielded data-link.
The Moskit was used on the America to gage it's effectiveness, did not to much damage. Good luck getting threw an AC eight layer defenses.
They have a rocket propelled torpedo. You have to get with 4Km of your target for it to be effective, good luck.
Obama's war is on the American middle class.
Glad to see we have a leader with ZERO leaderships skills but a HELLUVA lot of campaigning skills. He is attempting to act "presidential", something he knows nothing about.
Obama is way better than the previous Commander in Chief.
The Texan town drunk thought Jesus wanted him to bring on the Armageddon all while letting his buddies make huge profits by privatizing military operations and handing out no-bid contracts to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan...
Oh, and he forgot to kill Osama Bin Laden too...
Bush didn't escalate the Afghanistan war and he didn't bow before any Kings like your phony orator narcissist seems to have a habit of. He also didn't kill the U.S. economy like your Dempcrap Party did after the 2006 elections. Highest unemployment under Bush was 5.7% in 2003. Look it up. Your nitwit liar in the White House (who never has kept a promise in his entire time running for and being in the White House), has achieved an abysmal economic record. 41 straight months of U6 unemployment above 14%, $6 Trillion in added debt and no new jobs (23 million unemployed or underemployed) and a daily dose of corruption, lies and deception from a man who could not manage the night shift at a TACO Bell.
you are foolish enough to believe that the world economy is easily fixed by the guy in the white house? You think that the housing issue was caused by the president? You really think that all you have to do is push a button and the WORLD economy jumps back and employment gets better? The president, no matter who it is, doesn't have that kind of control. Our economy is based off of derivatives in India, futures in Saudi Arabia, banks in England, housing around the world, the cost of labor in china, ....ECT.
don’t be daft. It cant be fixed like that. So saying the stats for Obama and bush is silly. If bush was allowed a third term, and he won, the rates of unemployment would be the same as they are right now. Its proper to bow to foreign kings. Its a sign of respect and that’s how you make friends. I will have to say that I am glad that Obama has not given any one of the other countries dignitaries a back rub at a state dinner. Talk about embarrassing.
Newbook is gullible. Read Obama's speech The American Dream. I guess Newbook perfers a lier and a socialist.
Newbook - you ARE 100% Doooshbag! Wake up. Obama IS the liar, deceiver, manipulator and teh Socilast who wants to weaken our great country. Stop smoking that funny stuff ....
obi: Take a toke. It might help your mood.
commonsensesam
Wheres the pride in your own country? You think its "normal" for the president to bow to a foreign leader? The president of the free world represents the free citizens and the power they possess and should NEVER bow to another leader! During the 1936 Olympics EVERY country dipped its flag as they passed Hitler, ALL except the Americans because they had pride in their country and flag. Would you bow or lower your flag to Hitler? How about to fanatical religious leaders? It also comes with having pride in your own power, the US may have more power than the rest of the world but too many Americans would prefer to Bow and tuck their tails because they lost the pride in their country and the pride of the power the US has maintained.
We could end this entire problem Iran, We could actually talk to them, and work things out. We piss away billions on the US State dept. Not solving the problems in Iran and N. Korea speaks volumns of how lousy our Governement really is.
....yes, and she would even be more effective if she wore a dress. Her legs look like the legs on a Brunswick Pool Table.
Really? We talked to them for years over their nuclear program to no avail. Talking with nut jobs is useless and I think we have clearly demonstrated that.
Then we can have other people's wives try to get their husband's jobs. Maybe Peyton Mannings wife can play quarterback in the NFL. The late Steve Jobs's wife can design the next iPhone. And if Keith Richards doesn't want to tour with the Rolling Stones, his wife will just play guitar.
ctviking and obamaU. Jealous much. ObamaUly..you have been deleted several times on this article.
Too bad you and ct have nothing to add for the benefit of America. Just more hateful talk from the right.
Wemade...I think you are very envious of women...In fact all three of you.
greg berry
Ummmm, we've negotiated with them for about 10 years now.
This has nothing to do with women. I wouldn't want to see Meryl Streep's husband starring in a movie either.
I don't get it. If Europe, Israel and the US are serious about shutting Iran down, all they have to do is bomb their ONE OIL REFINERY. One...that's it...for the entire country. They import almost ALL of their gas! That move would cripple the country, plain and simple.
True enough, CQ, but we don't even have to do that! Just set up a blockade in the Strait of Horsmuth (sp), and if no oil leaves the country---game over! Still, it would be nice to have some backing from the nations of the international community that actually have "spine" to fight terrorism.....that may be somewhat of a problem finding them though....
Two problems with shutting down Iran...Russia, and China.
Caffine Queen - Ah yes the answer to all our problems - Bomb the Bastards. And as far a talking one country to another - Hell we don't even talk civilized to one another on these posts.
It IS difficult to take the "rage" out of comments, Old Man, but it can be done! As far as talking to Iran goes, all administrations can say "been there, done that, got the T-shirt". There aren't a whole lot of options left from a country that chronically "flips us off".....but, we'll have to see...
Ladies & Gentlemen..........We're not playing a game of "RISK" here; Obama's trying to generate some more feel good moments like after Navy Seal Team 6 got Bin Laden....the problem is, why do we always have to announce to the world what we're doing?....just do it and shut up....always trying to take credit for things before the fact.....
HE IS not the most interesting man in the world, (like in the beer commercial) but he is.....
THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES
So Jimmy you don't think the world can see those carriers? Oh and Jim old boy there have been ongoing carrier ops there for some time now..nothing new here. No secrets being revealed.
And no your buddy GB was the worse who by the way campaigned on his wars and about keeping us safe.
he didnt kill bin laden, bin laden has been dead since 12/01 i guess when 9 heads of state tell you that and he was dying on 7/01 went to the american hospital in Dubai, he was done for, you dont live more than a year while getting dialysis twice a day, look it up.
Well when you have trillions of dollars of hardware that serves little purpose other than posturing, what else are you going to do with it?
You can only have so many fleet weeks and flyovers for ball games.
Iran isn't going to shut anything down. Let the Saudis arm up and have a nice little cold war. I'm tired of US money and blood being spilt for these people. We don't even need their oil, it's Europe and China's problem.
Now if the markets would act correctly instead of jacking up the price of oil even though our supplies are the safest in the world we would be okay.
Good post. Let them fight their own wars. Unleash the Money Changers.
They are crafty, they will find a way to do in Iran, they do not need us
@BP......you keep your mouth shut, drive that big ol' boat right up the ayatollah's backside.....and do what you have to do....it's going to take a month before it gets there.....what advantage was gained by opening our mouth about it today ?
I didn't think so either.....have a nice night (from the 101st Airborne)
BP,
Bush was bad, but Obama is worse.
Actually, Obama can't help being incompetent and yes, he is the worst president in U.S. History. I would rank him #1 worst, Carter #2 worst, Clinton #3 worst, Roosevelt #4 worst and Wilson #5. Gee, funny thing their all Democraps.
The scary thing about Obama is that he is a Narcissist. Look up NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) and think about the fact that this sick man is running our country into the ground and people out their actually support this sicko.
I AGREE.. but if he starts a war they wont un-seat a prez during wartime...thats comforting
Like I've mentioned before, taking out Iran (or neutralizing them in some way), is not the problem...they're 3rd world and not hard to defeat/stymie. Yes, Israel could easily take care of the issue, but the rest of Muslim Arabia would retaliate because of the "outrage" , and Israel can't fight them all! Hence, diplomacy still would tend to drag us into this.... Aaaah---for the days when it was still possible for us to be "isolationists".....
Texson55
Actually, no they're not 3rd world. The economy is Iran is the seventeenth largest in the world by purchasing power. Their economy is also a diversifed economy with over forty industries involved in the Tehran Stock Exchange. They maintained a positive growth in the aftermath of the 08 global financial crisis, despite the sanctions imposed on them.
Did you know they have over one hundred billion dollars in foreign exchange reserves?
And although Iran does not possess universal social protection, in 1996, the Iranian Center for Statistics estimated that more than 73% of the Iranian population was covered by social security. Membership of the social security system for all employees is compulsory.
They even have welfare programs for their needy.
(There is some irony attached to the sanctions the US imposed on Iranian banks in that it ensured Iran's immunity from the global financial crisis.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Iran
And yet their military still sucks. All that money and such a belligerant government, but their weapons still suck....makes you wonder , don't it?
And their people are among the poorest because of the regime that controls that country. Yes, the government is doing great, however, the lives of the people suck...
Well, if things don't turn around soon in our country we'll be counted among those who are considered the poorest people.
So much for gas going down. Should be 5.00 a gal soon.
Our own oil companies are treacherous enough to us.....they don't need much of a reason anymore to raise the price of gas..... Blaming "OPEC" is so out-dated anymore....
It went up 10 cents from yesterday's prices around here. Glad I filled up yesterday!!
Yeah, I get the feeling that "someone or something" is sitting on the prices for some reason, but they will definitely shoot up sooner or later.
Like i said before they,ll start world war 3 they want to kill most of us off, dont you get it yet? the economy is gone they can never pay it off never its impossible they bankrupted the country who? the bankers and international bankers known as the federal reserve, they need a war so when they finally tell us the economy is dead, we are in a recession, they believe we will rally round them, as to not hold them accountable for the wrong the tratorous bas tards done to us, pathetic.
has it occurred to anyone that a large part of the recession in this country comes from people buying beyond their means with credit cards and payments that dont get paid forcing business to raise prices to cover those who dont pay. How many of us actually need more then 2 cars or a boat, ski-doo, camper, more then one house, or even that 200,000 dollar house instead of a simple home, do we need a 35,000 dollar car when a 15,000 dollar one will do the same job just as well for just as long. we are a nation of spoiled brats with high tastes and most are not able to pay for what we buy that is a lot of our countries economic problem
Ya got that right, Dean!
Well said Dean. So tired of watching some of these Americans blaming banks, corporations, government, or anything that doesn't include themselves. People need to wake up.
Gas prices are too low, we needed to kick the markets into gear with some good ole fashioned war talk!
Aaah! JSaff,---Finally, a student of history that has seen this before! *thumbs up*
Looks like the Narcissist-in-Thief wants to pick a fight with Iran to boost his re-election votes. Trading American blood for re-election votes. Obama is a closet Marxist. A vote for Obama is a vote for your own unemployment next year. This phony orator has rigged the tax increases to take place AFTER the election. 25% of employed Americans work for small business that are going to be severly impacted by these taxes. Their only recourse is to reduce their greatest costs......labor.
your right he is a phony his own lawyer said so at the hearing in new jersey, at the hearing new jersey vs obama birth certificate, she admitted in court his birth certificate is indeed fake, he is not a citizen, but is popular, gimme a break oust the p.o.s
I heard he has horns that he has to file down every night and a tail, thats why he doesnt wear shorts.
If he is a "closet marxist", how do you know? And please, dear racists, put this racist birther nonsense in the closet, mkay?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ineligible.asp
"Contrary to the egregiously bad piece of "reporting" from the Examiner cited in the example above, at no time during the hearings did Alexandra Hill or any other lawyer representing Barack Obama "admit that the long-form birth certificate presented by the White House is a total forgery." Hill merely agreed to a stipulation that the image of Obama's birth certificate posted on the White House web site would not be used as evidence in this case, as his campaign had never presented it to the state or the court as proof of his eligibility in the first place (because there was no requirement from them to do so)"
WeMadeAmistake-3851712 "Looks like the Narcissist-in-Thief wants to pick a fight with Iran to boost his re-election votes."
So it would seem, "Mistake", but as far as going over there to kick some butt, I'm reminded of a line by Jay Leno when Bush Sr. wanted to do the same to Hussein....."Yeah?? You and what army??"
We really don't have much of a force left to go around "policing" anymore....
What are you talking about!? We still have a powerful military.
Lets take care of it now before we are fighting in our own back yards Iran has always been the worst nation in the way of terrorism and they wont hesitate to use their new found nuclear tech. on both Israel and the U.S. We should have done it while we were on 2 of their borders it would have been more effective
Woohoo! Party in the Gulf! who else wants to come?
On the bright side, Obama is way better than the previous Commander in Chief.
The Texan town drunk thought Jesus wanted him to bring on the Armageddon all while letting his buddies make huge profits by privatizing military operations and handing out no-bid contracts to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan...
Oh, and he forgot to kill Osama Bin Laden too...
Interesting since the Chicago Crack head is using all of the Texan town Drunks policies...
true obama is a joke..and a bad joke at that
Okay, Newbook, you got your "cheerleading" in for Obama......now, run along....
I love cheerleading the truth!!!
Good! When do ya start??