Doesn't that also detract from the football players themselves? It wasn't their fault...

Taking wins away is nothing...who cares about that in the long scheme of things?

What about the kids at USC that now have to suffer because of Pete Carroll's transgressions. Pete Carroll took a fat contract and bolted for the NFL, and the players have to suffer through sanctions.

Tough Luck!

Face it your hero coach turned out to be nothing more than a liar and an ego maniac.

Oh, by the way, your hero Joe Paterno cared about wins. That is why he did all he could to cover what was known about Jerry Sandusky and the football shower room.

Paterno was not a god, so why was he treated that way?

Remove the statue and sell it for scrap, with proceeds to the victims.

Vacating prior wins is meaningless. Opponents know they were beat and an astrix does not change the fact.

almost everything that penn state did during joe pa's tenure is under the cloud of his crimes of compliance with sandunsky's actions. if we are wiping lance's records away for doping cleaning penn st.'s records is needed. or do we condone throwing young boys innocenes and sanity on the alter of foot because it means that much to us. we don't let the victors in war rape the lossers women. we can't rewrite history but we can admend it.

penn st consider raising a surcharge on all athletic events on campus of an additional $2per tix for the next five years and developing a fund to assist children though out the country. i would believe that those boys who were subjected to all this terror would agree to help the future of society.

Paterno is as guilty as Sandusky.

All for the Sport of Football; all of them, including Penn State Staff who knew about the sexual molestations, they are as guilty as Sandusky.

Where does academics fit into Penn State--It is a truly numbskull play Football University.

Penn State Football University--renamed.

Tear down the Statute of Paterno--he did not suffer pain like the victims suffered. He passed away too soon.

He was from the old school and did not really think things like that happened. Especially with his little bit of dementia added in.

Ah kathyforyou: We're not, and neither was Paterno, living in "old school" while the crimes took place and the dementia sure didn't affect his renegotiation of a multi million dollar contract, which included taking care of his wife with lifetime gym and penthouse stadium suites privileges.

Hopefully, most of Paterno's estate will be awarded to the victims; especially since Mrs. Paterno has made no offer to voluntarily give it up.

He turned out to be a greedy crook like so many others we place on a "god pedestal". Unfortunately, he kept it hidden and escaped the repercussions through death.

Penn State University should no longer be able to have a football team in the NCAA. They lost their privileges.

Paterno knew exactly went on in 1998, 2001, and 2011 when he tried to play dumb as if he was blind to the whole thing.

kathyforyou: Adultery isn't illegal. Are you really comparing bad behavior by consenting adults to raping children?

That's right, it's a big stretch between adultery and child rape. They aren't even in the same league, and if this society really cares about children it should be made a capital offense and these twisted, evil people that perpetrate this horror on children should be put to death. People like Paterno and all the others who knew about these things and did nothing should have all reference to them expunged from the school, statues, paintings, portraits, everything. Let's get real about this.

Locker rooms are unsafe. Close them. Its not about punishment. Its about safety.

The entire football leadership is criminally involved. Close the program, and do NOT look for replacements. They will be equally guilty.

Take down the statue!

Who is their right mind would have ever believed that Joe Paterno would have been told about a child molestation taking place, and wouldn't have called the police immediately?

Some people think if you repeat a lie enough it will become true.

Who is their right mind would have ever believed that Joe Paterno would have been told about a child molestation taking place, and wouldn't have stopped it immediately with the police?

Not sure if that was stated with sarcasm hungrymongoose; if not, there are emails from Paterno proving he knew about the molestation, but did not stop it immediately with the police.

The Freeh report was a report from a former FBI head to give his opinions on his feelings, and publish them into a final report. An opinion! Anyway, Freeh only claims that a plan changed between the AD and the president, after Curley met with Paterno. This is Freeh's justification that Paterno was actively covering for Sandusky. How is that evidence? It is actually hear-say, and it would never hold up in the court of law. That is why it is an opinion report, by one man.

You all want Paterno to burn, but why did McQueery not do enough? Why did PA attorney general Corbett (now governor of PA) admit to knowing about the 1998 case, but did nothing about it? Oh, Corbett was also on the PSU board of trustees at the time.

This whole thing goes beyond Paterno, but the lynch-mob ideology without knowing the facts and not understanding that the Freeh report is a report of opinion has already spread.

Debi, Paterno did not use email, so that statement is not true. It is easy to always report what someone told you instead of actually researching it. Freeh acknowledged that Paterno did not use email.

Well at least we don't need to bother with courts and jurys anymore; the people have spoken.

/sarc

There is a price to be paid for the cover-up. It includes everyone from Paterno up to the Penn hierarchy. As brilliant as Paterno was it does not exonerate him from this scandal.

Tear down the statue, sell it for scrap and put the proceeds in a pot that Penn is going to need in

We shouldn't be flaunting anything ps in the faces of the victims. Take them all down and fire all ps executives if not put them in jail. Take down all references to these criminals.

But will erasing him from the textbooks and his merest mention really help?

We should think about the victims and not him or anything else. Nobody wants to erase his legacy. He has done that all by himself. In public, his contributions should be remembered but not idolized.

Public opinion ruled the case against Sandusky. Well, people got their justice already, Sandusky's behind bars, all on the whim of he said she said... As for Paterno, records will show he was an amazing coach, and wanted that school to succeed, making several donations to it. The entire school itself was his baby, and sadly, he died with everyone crowding around him telling him how evil he is. Y'know what? Grow the frell up people. The trial is over. I've seen far less hatred and bile spewed over far more serious things (like, y'know, killing people).

Move the frell on. It's over. The media crusade is over and done with. People are losing their homes to corrupt banks, our economy is still dying. Focus your shart to where it actually matters, you're not doing it "for the kids" anymore, otherwise you'd be more interested in handing them a working, functioning country for a future, rather than hounding a school with your self-righteous justice.

Sadly, it will NEVER be over for some of the victims. The lucky ones will be able to move on. The rest will suffer from varying degrees of PTSD. You should read a little about being inside the skin of a victim in case your argument is not based in personal experience.

Obviously, as the Freeh report indicates, there were clearly very bad judgments that were made along the way with respect to the Sandusky matter and that will forever be a mark against Joe's contributions.”

Obviously.

Paterno put the lame game of college football above the sanctity of childhood innocence. His lack of concern for all those kids-- who he knew were under the influence and control of a serial pedophile-- is just appalling. He aided and abetted Sandusky in his sick, selfish pursuit of helpless little boys.

I have a feeling the guilt shortened Paterno's life at the end. He couldn't face what he did or failed to do, so like a coward he ran away from it again, forever.

Take down the damned statue.

I read through large parts of the Freeh report. Like the entire section called Chapter 2 concerning 1998 incident. There are categories like Notifications and Updates to Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley, but there is like no evidence other than Curley saying it (once!) that he is keeping the coach up to date etc. Whatever that meant. There is an email the report says is "captioned" as Joe Paterno, does that mean Joe was the subject? And the most telling thing about the whole report, way way down in the evidence exhibits you see there are absolutely no emails from or to Joe. You would think that if there was this constant loop of coverup with him in it there would at least have been emails sent to him, even if he didn't read them, right? The Freeh report reads like a bad freshman paper, trying to make a case and hyperbole from evidence where it's flimsy.

@Marchant....get over yourself. Joe Paterno is not "as guilty as Sandusky." What these men did is despicable and they deserve the max, but the transgressions of these two men are two different things, entirely. I'd hate to ever see you on a jury. You seem to be full of anger for something you don't understand.

Your lack of education is showing if you truly have to ask where academics fall into Penn State. Just because the media isn't touting the advanced engineering, agricultural, horticultural, and communications programs doesn't mean this university lacks in the learning department. Penn State has turned out hoards of talented reporters, farmers, and engineers and the act of the ADMINISTRATION (that's right, not the students) should not overshadow those accomplishments. Unless you are actually familiar with the culture in State College (and no, attending a few football weekends doesn't count....sorry) leave the students out of this.

It's people like you who are detracting from the real tragedy and making the kids pay.

"Penn State has turned out hoards of talented reporters, farmers, and engineers and the act of the ADMINISTRATION (that's right, not the students) should not overshadow those accomplishments."

Dear PSU graduate, apologist and mangler of the English language, the correct word is 'hordes' not 'hoards'. Your lack of education is showing.

Actually, you can blame my iPhone for that. I'm quite aware of the actual usage. I'm sorry I'm too busy with my real life to hang out on Newsvine trolling other people's grammatical errors. I'm pretty sure you've never misused or misspelled a word in your life, right? I'm really glad you are so perfect.

It makes me laugh that you used up all that space without actually making a valid point about the story. You have nothing to go on besides a misused word. It's people like you that my post was referring to. Thank you for making my day, defending a post that was even more grammatically "mangled" (Good word!) than mine, and proving my point :-)

Reality:

Debi, Paterno did not use email, so that statement is not true. It is easy to always report what someone told you instead of actually researching it.

So what's your point? Who cares whether he wrote the email or not. Are you claiming Paterno didn't know and if he did know, didn't have any responsibility?

Talk about grasping at straws trying to protect your god. That's the problem with our country; we give too much power and reverance to mere mortals.

Daniel Scott Smith

And the most telling thing about the whole report, way way down in the evidence exhibits you see there are absolutely no emails from or to Joe. You would think that if there was this constant loop of coverup with him in it there would at least have been emails sent to him, even if he didn't read them, right?

I am sure everyone would agree Joe Paterno was an intelligent man. After 40 years of dealing with the NCAA he knew not to leave a paper trail.

It was well known Joe Paterno did not use email. I find it amazing the lengths the Paterno zombies will go to attempt to diminish his role in this disaster. Why would any of accomplices send him an email?

My Grandfather, who is close to Paterno's age at death has an email address set up through Comcast cable just because he has an email address does not mean the family sends him things despite the fact he will not use it.

One thing you and the other Paterno zombies overlook in the Freeh report is the statement about Paterno's personal files. Joe Paterno's personal files were collected by the family lawyer first. Then after several days turned over to the investigators.

Ask yourself this. What was in those files before the longtime personal attorney and family friend got a hold of them?

Keep the blinders on and deny deny deny The Creepy Valley Zombies appear to have no shortage of denial.

Take down the statue!

Who gives a rat's a$$ how he coached a GAME???? He allowed a pedophile to continually rape children. I can't believe some people are worried about his legacy?? Why on earth would anyone care about that now? Knowing what we know and how many more occurred that we DON'T know about? How many more children suffered, cried, screamed, and how are those people dealing with it now? It's freakin FOOTBALL here people! This man wasn't curing cancer while he allowed these wretched events to take place! Despicable p.o.s!

Take down the statue!

Debi: What is the point? The point is you continue to make comments that are not true. You cannot make a valid point when you, yourself, do not have the correct information.

kingcabo: You are talking about an "if-then" scenario: "If Paterno's attorney had the paperwork first, then he/she must have helped Paterno cover up his involvement with Sandusky." Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? You sound like a 9/11 conspirator saying that the federal government was the ones who flew planes into the Trade Center and not Bin Laden. You have to have evidence before making a conclusion. You cannot use opinion to make a conclusion. That is why we have court systems where your peers judge you, and not just a single person and their opinion.

@amediamogul

It's people like you who are detracting from the real tragedy

Why do the Paterno apologists want to focus on the tragedy and the victims now when clearly, the welfare of the victims was last on the list for Paterno and his cronies?

It is a shame the alumni, current student body, and staff have to suffer through this disaster because of the failings of a handful of people, but that is the price to pay for giving so much reverence to your football coach and team.

Reality: You're trying to pick the flies out of the ointment.

Paterno knew about it, but like everyone else who knew and did nothing, didn't want to bite the hand that fed them.

Mother Cluster Duck posted:

penn st consider raising a surcharge on all athletic events on campus of an additional $2per tix for the next five years and developing a fund to assist children though out the country. i would believe that those boys who were subjected to all this terror would agree to help the future of society

Excuse me, why should the fans pay to develop this fund? They weren't the ones at fault, and are being made at fault by the $2 surcharge. If they want to ask for voluntary donations, fine, forced contribution, NO. This is deflection by Penn from their responsibility. Why do this across the country when they can't even mange their own University?!?

@kingcabo

I appreciate your response. Honestly though, I promise you, I am far from a Paterno apologist. I attended Penn State for two years, and before that came from a "rival" university. I have seen firsthand the worship a SMALL group of students and fans have bestowed upon this man and this program. But please, don't automatically lump me or any of the students in with them until you have personally spoken to us. I don't support Paterno and I don't support the actions of these men. Period. I went to Penn State for an academic program...NOT a football ticket.

This is the main problem I have with the general population. They are so quick to blame someone without knowing their opinions. The idiots that are making stupid comments and playing vigilante around the statue are the only folks getting coverage...because it's controversial. Truthfully, a small handful of people are making the rest of us look bad. No one wants to talk to the (majority) of students who agree with these sanctions.

So please, while I understand where you are coming from, don't lecture us on the "price we have to pay" because most of us aren't guilty of the sins you are accusing us of.

Jack, they did everything they could to cover it up.

My opinion is this:
Anyone signed up to go to this school in the last year should not be surprised by anything that happens. IF Joe knew about this crap and said nothing while taking money to do so, then his legacy should be that of the man who shot John Lennon, and he should never be mentioned by name again ever. This is not buying a burger for a college athlete, this is not providing spending money for a student. This was willful ingnorance of a tradgedy, designed only to further the football program and protect the school.
No it was not the student's fault, and vacating wins 15 years prior is an empty gesture. This needs to be an example, it needs to hurt Penn State, so in the future if any thing ever happens like this again SOMEONE, ANYONE will say something and it will stop, if anything to protect the "values" the school holds dear.

Heidi1079

The guy is gone. Let him rest in peace. How is taking down the statue gonna make anything better???? It's not

How is continued worship of Joe Paterno going to help the victims and their families? Joe Paterno lost the right to rest in peace in 1998.

To leave the statue up is to condone what happened.

It's no different than any other criminal and unethical behavior that was knowingly engaged in - fixing games, paying off refs, knowing about these activities and acting as if nothing was going on. Crime is crime, turning away instead of doing the right thing is in itself an issue, but we are not talking about winning or rigging the results. It's a higher level educational instution sexually victimizing little boys and not turning in one of their own for prosecution; doing it, not reporting it to law enforcement, allowing it to continue, acting as if nothing was happening, for over 14 years. Doesn't get much simpler than that.

A question: If it was little girls being repeatedly raped by a male coach Penn State through a young women's development program and being covered up by the school to protect the football or any other high-profile, money making program at the school, would those of you rubbing your chins waxing philosophical be on the fence? Female Penn State students repeatedly raped by the same coach over 14 years and still being allowed to coach and be around the program after repeated employees saw and reported the events? Keeping up statues and honors that celebrated such an individual? Obviously not. Good luck looking your wife or girlfriend in the eye and maintaining that position. Pretty obvious the outcry instead would be calling for everyone involved's heads, their jobs, and criminal prosecution for everyone involved that allowed it to happen a 2nd, 3rd, etc. time over such a long time period reducing women to objects of violation as if they are no longer human. Anyone caught defending such a program and institution after it got out it was known about all along at the highest levels would be public enemy number 1 of women's groups and held up as the supreme example of institutional sexual violation.

Let's dispense with the double standards. Selling out male victims to uphold tainted legends and corrupt institutions needs to stop. Crime is crime. Not reporting child abuse to law enforcement is a crime.

Not upholding the law brings repeat offenses and copycat offenders. The next victim might be a little boy or girl in your family. I know. I've lived through it. I bleed inside for her every day.

Jack Dulouz

I am a Penn State fan. What happened to those children should be the real focus.

Jack the focus should have been on the children in 1998 and every year that followed.

It certainly was not Joe Paterno and his cronies focus. Why should we shift the focus from their dastardly deeds? So Penn State and its fans like you can get back to watching Penn State football?

Sure the university will do whatever they can to put it behind them. Look what they did to cover it up.

Joe is dead, the victims are not. Take the statue down. Anyone that is supporting this sham of a school by paying tuition should be ashamed of themselves. Every step they have taken has been in the interest of the school. Joe doomed his own legacy and any right to rest in peace by looking the other way, because if there is a Christian afterlife, he is more worried about burning in hell right now than any stupid statue.

Shut the whole school down, and do not let anyone that was involved ever work for another school again.

Kimbo your denialism is astounding.

First off, drop your witchhunt analogy, you don't even understand it. In Salem people innocent people were accused of a non-existent crime, same with McCarthyism etc. Paterno and the other powers at Penn State are accused of a conspiracy to cover-up real crimes of a pedophile that personally knew...and allowed him to continue his crimes.

The only reason you are defensive is that you allowed your own identity to be tied up with a phony inflated personality - Joe Paterno. And it is this cult of personality that allowed this coverup to occur, in fact it was in part to protect the cult and its power that it happen. Attitudes like yours allow it to continue.

In a related story, the person who rented the airplane is a Pitt alumnus.

Kimbo, it's between him and god?

There is no such thing as god. If there was, do you think he would allow Sandusky to stick his wick up a little boys poop shoot? Why do people believe there is a god when he allows a serial killer or rapist to harm as many people as they wish, then say that person will be judge when he dies? All the people that were killed or raped, what do they get? That's right, nothing. What do all their loved ones get? That's right, nothing. I suppose they will get solace that the bad man is burning in hell, while the dead are being eaten by worms six feet underground.

The paterno [sic] apologists have nothing left but a lame variation the Nurenberg defense. In this case, he was just following precedures.

Taking down a few banners and statues is not enough. If heavy penalties are not levied against Penn State; such as shutting down the football program altogether, what kind of message does that send to other schools who choose to protect the golden cash cow over anything else?

What kind of deterent is firing and sending a few people to jail? Business will continue as usual as long as the penalty is a few heads of scapegoats and the removal of a few statues.

At PSU the BMOCs are rapists and enablers of rapists.

Together they made locker rooms unsafe.

College football is unimportant in any other context. (And it is a damned expensive program; an evil waste)

radicaledward---in the norway olympics some years ago a norwegian skier won several gold medals for the cross country events. the country was proud of his wins and wanted to honor him with a statue. he rejected the idea and said while he appreciated their praise he was just a skier and erecting a statue of him was not appropriate. joe paterno was just a football coach. where are the statues for dr jonas salk------when will we start honoring people for the right reasons? dr salk saved children around the world from polio and most people today under 40 don't even know who he was. our priorities are so out of whack! san diego is considering a 800 million dollar football stadium-closing libraries / gutting school budgets/ deferring road repair / eliminating social programs but pushing a new football stadium. i don't like football but if i were a fan i would still not support public funding for a huge money making private enterprise. the nfl should build their own stadiums.

This is a good post. It's time we praise people who have done something for huanity . Penn State

needs to think of the injured and not those who lie to protect someone who lied to keep their

football teams in the news. Anyone involved in this should all stand up as quilty. They aided and abetted

this viile thing representing this. They are all guilty and they should pay.

A good compromise would be to give it to the borough of State College.

I'm a PSU alumni (Class of 87) and I voted to take the statue down. But I don't have a problem with the State College borough government taking it and displaying it in town... if they even want it.

But it should definitely be removed from University property.

Ben Karpinsky from Centerville

shut up

Uh Ohh! The Creepy Valley Zombies are loose.

Posted by Manchester Media:

“It dawned on me that the statue itself will become a target. Before long that huge sculpture
will attract vandals that will potentially do everything from add clothing (panties, bra, etc) to paint, to trying to possibly blowup the statue itself. From the zealot, to the hurt, the angry, even the crazy will be drawn to it as surely as the sun will come up in the east.

“From an expense standpoint the cost of trying to guard the Paterno statue around the clock will be expensive. The risk of injury to others in the event someone tries to blow it up rests with the university. And if nothing else, the statue will become a lightning rod for all the “bad” that has taken place. In short the nightmare will continue, the bad news drumbeat will start up EVERY time someone does anything.”

Scrap metal prices for bronze are about $0.25 per pound. How heavy is the statue when weighed against
ruined lives?

Mr. American -

"released" is much too mild a word for them.

"1 mistake"?? Covering up for years is not "1 mistake".

let's get u raped & see if u still call it a mistake.

If it were your son or grandson who was molested, would you feel the same way?

I wouldn't have waited all these years to report it if I was raped.

Being the winningest coach in college football does not detract that he aided and abetted the rape and abuse, over many years, of children. I think you are looking at the priorities in bassackward terms. We shouldn't judge a person who condones and covers pedophilia rape differently because they are a good football coach? I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

Pete Rose got banned for life from baseball after he retired from playing for betting on baseball. He holds all kinds of records, but can't get into the Hall of Fame because of his ban. Wouldn't you agree that knowingly allowing molestation of kids to go on is a tad bit worse than betting on a sport? As far as I'm concerned, they should remove his name from the College Football Hall of Fame and tear down anything that honors him.

One mistake? He allowed the rape of children to continue in his football program with his knowledge, he participated in and prolonged the coverup for over a decade. That is not one mistake, that is ongoing heinous immoral and criminal behavior. That makes him a monster. And I won't shut up.

His mistake was monumental. Those of you who want to continue to treat his legacy as impeccable can do it without a statue. Take it down for the sake of those kids Paterno ignored and put in harms way.

Tell the parents of those young boys that everyone is being way "too sensitive."

Ben Karpinsky---you are a perfect example of why there is a major problem at psu. One mistake, all those wins in football, worse riots ahead with the death penalty, long live "joepa" and psu football. This whole scandal was the result of Paterno, football and fans like you.

Yes, that lasted years and years as a cover up. He could have been a HERO by bring this up and dealing with it THEN. He was only worried about WINS, not little boys penises.

Pennsylvania State University is a resource for the people of the commonwealth, not the property of a personality cult. To preserve the actual resource (not the football/entertainment complex) the institution must be purged of this corrupt cult, personified by this Ben Karpinsky. And threatening riots? Even old hippies would love to see the National Guard crush that.

Ben, you can't be as ignorant as your comment seems to allude.
You have no idea what the impact of child molestation has on a child and their
future relationships and family. I pray that you have no children in your life because
the pedophiles are already stalking them if you do.

This man deserves no recognition of his accomplishments.
It's called accountable and responsibility for your actions and for those that
report to you. He failed miserably. You forget that's it's our responsibility
as adults to see to the welfare and safety of our children, regardless of whose
child it is. All in involved in the condoning the hideous acts of Sandusky and
participated in the cover-up should be arrested and charged to the fullest
extent of the law.

I trust that the students that still choose to attend this University
will see to the changes in leadership that need to be made to avoid this travesty
to from a occurring again!

In the grand scheme of things, what does being a winning coach mean? Exactly what does it take to out balance those wins, him being Hitler and responsible for exterminating Jews???

Nice... Honor Joe Pa... he only condoned and covered up child rape but ban Vick for life for Dog torture. Not real happy with either one of those crimes but again, I think the priorities are a little whacked.

The statue should stay right were it is. He made a big mistake. Also don't forget that his bosses failed too in stopping this from happening. Also remember that Joe also had one of the highest graduation rates for any big time football program. Don't let this one thing tarnish what he did for Penn Staete's academic programs

The only thing Papa Joe is an institution of is "the kind of person NOT to be". And the only thing he will be remembered for is the fact that he stood idely by and did absolutely NOTHING while numerous children were raped and tortured. What a fine example he set.

PapaJoe is an institution and no matter what he should be remembered

Oh, he'll be remembered alright! He'll be remembered for covering up the rape of innocent little boys!!

Some of these boys did tell and NO ONE believed them. Investigations were swept under the rug. There needs to be an investigation into the DA's office that felt there was not enough evidence to proceed. Also investigate the adoption agency who allowed jerry to adopt 6 kids and the SECOND MILE that was founded to find boys for Jerry. Finally ----what did Tom Corbett know??

Finally, the graduation rate of football players mean nothing. JoePa was the MOST powerful person at Penn State. He knew it was going to come out--he just hoped he would get his record and his bonuses before the s**t hit the fan. he dared the Board to "not spend a minute thinking about my status". He walked outside of this house and told the crowd lies. His name should be removed from everything. He lost his right to be remembered as anything but a liar.

Stick that statue outside the shower doors then board up the building.

Hey Nawtark - Vick was not banned for life your idiot. If I recall he actually is back in the NFL - Get your fact straight you idiot. Go back to the rock you crawled out from under

He actually did what the university charged him to do. And you are right, college football is silly. But Paterno is no part of this. I bet all those out for Paterno's legacy said Clinton's sexual misconduct and subsequent perjury was nothing. Am I right?

@tom343 or rather "dousche"

ok, lets just say hypothetically that I was in an art program (my degree was in mechanical engineering) but lets just pretend. I'm sure even with an undeveloped mind such as your own, you can still manage to hypothesize a situation. So lets look into this I couldn't own a new car I paid for? First I commend your literary skills. You clearly understand the fundamentals of grammar, which clearly means you must own a ton of cars. My real question is why owning a car is somehow indicative of my social class or rather my being seen as a success? From what you're saying it's that in order to be viewed as someone with value, or someone who has merited themselves as being worthy of praise in our society, all I need to achieve is that of owning a vehicle? A new one actually. Really? That is all it takes to be considered a success. Owning a new, gas consuming, environment destroying vehicle? So who I am, and what I do on a day-to-day basis has no reflection on my level of humanity...just whether I own a new car? Are you that stupid? Really are you? Actually if you are that stupid I don't think you would have the capacity to understand your own stupidity. In fact you would just trudge through life buying new cars to frivolously waste money on instead of actually trying to help others. You probably also waste most or all of your time glued in front of a TV hording down sodium enriched foods watching grown men play a game, all the while staring out the window at your "new car". While most of the "bitter art members" are bust with self expression and trying to console those who have either lost the meaning of love and life, or embracing what life should really be about with one another. You are the typical case of de-evolution. You are narrow minded, shallow, ignorant, and a waste. I partly blame you because you are a fool, but I really blame your miserable parents. It is their fault you were raised this way. To be a mindless fool. They should be burnt for what they did. Bringing a mindless, fodder consuming twit like yourself into the world. My condolences.

articles like this must be like a flame to your mothiness. aren't you the same guy who said you hate everyone? you sound nuts. "Order: xtra nuts with this cake, Double, no, triple, NUTS!"

He didn't rape anybody do mass. He told his superiors about it. They are the ones who should be on trail here. Not Joe. Joe shaped the lives of a lot of kids. Alot more than any of you clowns have done.

Then why don't you go climb right down in that hole and join him since you think so much of him? He is as discusting as the one that did the crime.

He told his superiors about it.

He might have told them it happened, but he did nothing to stop it! And he could have!!! If you told your superiors something so heinous and they did nothing, could you really just sit by and do nothing? Joe Pa sure did!!

Paterno and McQueary should have dialed 911 and called the State Police. They are the ones to do an investigation and decide if a crime was committed. He or the Administration were authorized or qualified to do this investigation. And we all can concur that there was a huge conflict of interest in what they did.

It is sad that so many people can judge someone that is no longer with us to defend himself. He reported the alledged crime. Joe was just who everyone thought he was, I know I witnessed him in action for years. He did a lot for not only Penn State but also humanity. It seems everyone loves it when a one our heroes falls. There was som many people that were involved in this case not just Joe. He should not take all the blame. It is also weird that now victims are coming out after years and years of silence. I will believe them if they do not take a cent from PSU. Smells of greed on both sides to me. Wise up people.

three's something new! a first time for everything!

tom, Paterno lied to a grand jury. He knew about the 1998 investigation and testified that he did not. After 1998 he looked the other way as Sandusky brought his victums to the school. He DID NOT do what was required by the law or basic morality.

Tom, could you really sit back and let something like this go on??? Really?? You state you tell your daughter to go the police, but you think it's ok that Joe Pa didn't??? Wow!! If his superiors did nothing, he should have!! But he didn't! That makes him just as guilty as the rest!

Slowly, it seems to be dawning on even the biggest "JoePa" supporters that the man committed a heinous act of ignoring a string of crimes, against young boys, that he could have brought to a swift end. And, he did nothing!! In a year, there won't be a single "JoePa" supporter, willing to defend him, nor should there be!

i read the freeh report and there's no hard evidence that joe knew about 1998. and there was a giant investigation in 98 by the da, police, counselors CPS etc and no charges were filed. I think it kind of set the precedent that it was very hard to know what to do to deal with it.

Interesting well thought out reply! Really, though, the only viable retort those who support the saintly image of Joe Paterno have left.

Hey myloman: First get your facts straight before you start using scripture you moron. Paterno NEVER SAW ABUSE!!!! It was an assistant on Paterno's team who saw what he THOUGHT was abuse. Please read up on things before you post. Stop spread very false statements. Go back under your rock and stay there.

Facts are facts. Paterno was fully aware of what was going on.

Hey Lorie who the hell are you, his long lost niece or something? Excuse me but they are ALL to blame including and most expecially old JOPA as you would like to call him. And they all need to be prosecuted, and too bad he's not still around to recieve his fair share. He most certainly needed to be prosecuted as well. Enough of the good old boy mentality.

Sandusky was NOT an employee of Penn State when he was caught with his wiener inside a little boy. So the administration had no jurisdiction over him. That means he should have called 911 since McQueary had no sack in doing it. Even if he was an employee, he still was supposed to call 911. Exactly what is in the Penn State book of policy and procedures when you look to see what you should do if you are told a man is having sex with a little boy in the showers? I'm pretty certain it doesn't say lets handle this in house. I wonder what they would do if a student or professor killed someone on campus, conduct their own investigation? Perform an autopsy, and bury the body on campus, all without involving the police?

Exactly Sandusky was not an employee of PSU when this happened. You are forgetting about the children here. Ultimately, Jerry Sandusky was convicted of the abuse and now people are trying to go after JoePa. He was not a saint and did make mistakes, we've seemed to forgiven others for transgressions and bad judgement but people forget JoePa DID NOT molest those children the sick person Jerry Sandusky, a person who was no longer an employee of PSU. Will all of you haters, and yes that's exactly what you are, please leave this alone.

M*A*S*H FAN: Jerry Sandusky may no longer have been an employee of Penn State at the time he was observed raping a boy in the the shower room, but SO WHAT??? Are you saying, then, that if he WAS still employed by Penn State when that rape happened, THEN it should have been reported by Paterno to the police? But if he wasn't employed there at the time, then why report the rape??? Are you saying that if you saw a man who had once been employed where you work raping a child, that you would shrug your shoulders and NOT report him to the police, because, gee, what does that have to do with you, the guy doesn't even work at your place anymore??? If you were browsing in a store, and saw someone shoplifting, would you not tell a store clerk or a manager? Or do you think it's not YOUR store, YOU don't work there, so just look away??? The young man who walked into the shower room and saw Sandusky raping the boy did tell someone. But after a while, when he saw nothing was being done re: the rape, shouldn't he have spoken up again? Shouldn't he have gone to the police? The same with the janitor who saw Sandusky performing oral sex on a boy....he told another employee, but neither called and told the police, even anonymously, if they were afraid they'd lose their jobs for reporting it. This is RAPE we're discussing here...Shame on Paterno and ALL of them for not calling the police right away, and protecting a pedophile, a child rapist, to cover their own asses. They would have been heroes for exposing Sandusky.

I am saying that all you Joe haters should immediately go down to the corner and get another vial of crack. Quick! Please!

If they leave the statue up (which I think they shouldn't) they must at least put a bronz blindfold over his eyes, his hands over his ears and a gag in his mouth.

Lorie-3755871

When someone reports your rape but, does nothing else, will you be so willing so say that was enough?

Agreed........excellent idea. Or do as suggested and melt it as scrap metal and donate proceeds to a childrens program.

This is interesting logic. Following this idea we should get rid of Wall Street, the entire US Congress or actually just the entire set of governments for every country around the world, we should tear down the pyramids in egypt, plow NY city into a parking lot, completely air raid and level Vegas - and oh yeah - stop driving our cars. I'm sure there are no good professors at PSU, I'm sure no great scientist or other educated person has ever come out of PSU. Let's tear the school down because a egotistical coach failed to punch a perv in the face and have him dragged out of there. That will help the victims, tear the entire thing down. Good stuff.

cory...excellent idea !!

Cory & John: Bar of soup?

IMO, too serious crime for a joke. The statue should already be gone - just shows how their minds work.