Such a sad story... young, promising lives senselessly cut short... :(

Last warning, Folks. Get your hearts and heads connected....seek good by going within. All the pinheads will be gone soon, just like this and all the other ways we are seeing....the definition of a pinhead is someone who is so disconnected from their heart that it pins them to their doom. They are easy to identify, hate resonates for them. Control is their methodology. Punishment is their intimacy. Open your hearts, use your heart and your mind together, thus some may yet be saved from themselves and us from them.

" All the pinheads will be gone soon ". HUh?!! Where are they going? The mall?

Killers have always been amongst us and always will be.

We can't be compared to other nations regarding our gun culture. Other nations were settled long before guns were readily available. If France, Great Britain, and other industrialized nations had been settled in the 1700's, their gun cultures might be similar to ours. (In China, where the first guns were invented, only the state is allowed to possess firearms. That seems like a bad idea looking for trouble.)

Yes, if there were no guns the unicorns could roam free and the butterfly would adorn our heads like a living wreath, peace and harmony would wrap it's loving arms around us all. (inhale-hold it, hold it, c'mon just a little longer-------whew, exhale) Right on dude!

@Stonepipe! ROTF! You left out Puff, the magic dragon living a long, happy life too. Thanks for the laugh!

stonepipe

Yes, if there were no guns the unicorns could roam free and the butterfly would adorn our heads like a living wreath, peace and harmony would wrap it's loving arms around us all. (inhale-hold it, hold it, c'mon just a little longer-------whew, exhale) Right on dude!

The NRA freaks never fail to seize the opportunity to sell us on more guns. Of course, the NRA is no more than the marketing arm of gun manufacturers and if the woman and children had been armed they would have been saved from this beast--not.

sandtrich, that's right my freedom loving fellow American. A safe toddler is an armed toddler.

Look, guns don't kill people, and you know what, people don't either. Bullets don't kill. The truth of the matter is the only thing that kills that has anything to do with guns is holes and trauma in vital organs after they have been in the vicinity of a bullet.

Look, you go and enjoy your world of reason and facts. Ill be over here with the NRA with our heads jammed up our A$$.

Thanks Big Red, hope you are having favorable weather. Getting a tad bit dry here.

sandtrich

Of course, the NRA is no more than the marketing arm of gun manufacturers...

Yep, just like the ACLU is no more than the marketing arm of the Mexican travel industry.

was it just a coincidence that he killed sister and killed himself in sisterville??? whats up with that?

Its definitely another win for the NRA and gun nuts everywhere. More death is needed so we need more guns before the NRA is complete.

Hmmm, John I think you are on to something.

"just amazing the U. S. wants to keep them all unlike every other industrialized nation on the planet."

Unlike? Every industrialized nation have guns. You find me one so called industrialized nation with no guns, and I'll give up mine.

" if the woman and children had been armed they would have been saved from this beast--not."

Possible, what's your point? If I get royal flushes on every poker hand I played, I would win every time. Bring a better arguement to the table next time.

"More death is needed so we need more guns before the NRA is complete."

With the earth not being able to support the population explosion projected, you may have a point with needing more deaths. Why don't you set an example and be the first.

Guns don't kill people, freakin lunatics kill people! And destroy families, cause shock and trauma to thousands who are directly or inderectly affected and make our world an ugly mess! Rest in peace Amy, mother of 3 boys and Lisa, mother of 2 girls and one on the way at 32 weeks. To my family dealing with this mess, know that the coward cannot continue his horrific behavior!

Take our guns away and then what? have all the thugs running being the only ones carrying guns. Taking our guns away will not do anything but cause more killings. Look at Chicago where they have the strictest gun laws and its almost impossible to own one. Do you think that law is helping them with the most killings they have ever had and shootings. When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. You arent getting mine.

This guy was a coward who obviously was bipolar or had some mental disease. Had a similar incident happen to my gfs fam. killed his 11 year old girl, 6 year old girl, the pony, the dog, and his wife with a knife. Now hes waiting trail. If you are that upset and feel like you need to kill your loved ones, just do us all a favor and kill yourself first.

America has its crazy gun culture because it was created from a wilderness filled with hostile Indians and marauders. Our pioneers were all alone in a vast frontier...where they could be attacked by Indians or fellow pioneers (where policing was almost nonexistant). Other societies had long been settled and the only enemies most people considered using guns against were foreign invaders. America needs to evolve and become more civilized like the rest of the world. Guess I have high hopes.

@ matchspeed im pretty sure france, england and the rest of europe were settled long before the 1700's. Seriously?

Rankandfile, I shed no tears for the MP but for the lives lost. I don't share in the comments of the gun enthusiasts but I am a multiple gun owner and permitted concealed carry holder.

That being said PTSD isn't a defense but a disease. It isn't a con nor an excuse.

Be careful many vets and ordinary folks suffer from this. Please don't blithely dismiss the condition that effects me of my fellow vets and citizens.

I don't know if this MP suffered from the disease but if he did I bet you he was never diagnosed or treated. I if he had been he may have lost his security clearance.

Just a thought.

Well said charleslennon, it's equally possible that he was just a vicious bastard-he was arrested for sexual battery-and this had nothing to do with his service.

Charleslennon - people do not lose their security clearances for having PTSD or any other mental health issue related to being in a military combat environment. The SF 86 Questionnaire for National Security Positions states you are to answer "No" to counseling if it was strictly for marital, family, grief not related to violence by you or strictly related to adjustments from service in a military combat environment. We don't know if someone's going to counseling unless they tell us, which they are NOT required to do. The military does not want personnel to be afraid of losing their security clearance if they seek much needed counseling. Situations get much worse for the individual, and their families, when they don't get the help they need. I think a lot of men are too proud to ask for help and think they can handle it on their own.

Really? So what your saying is with a mental condition under treatment I won't loose my security clearance while on active duty or working as a police officer or a officer of the court. Nor will I be suspected of possible blackmail nor extortion because I have a mental illness? Because heaven knows everybody acknowledges that there is no shame or stigma in suffering from mental illness.

Employers understand the problems concerning those who suffer from it. They would never discriminate against an individual who suffers, no that would never happen. Not in this country.

I'm proudful maybe a little too proud sometimes and a VET. Yes it took me a long time to aknowledge I needed help. But it wasn't pride, it was not knowing I suffered. PTSD signs and symptoms isn't something covered in basic training and for us few combat medics (when I was in) it was a topic left to professionals. In other words let the VA take care of them when their out.

I gather you work in the VA system and I realize your helping and I thank you for your service, but you have to understand in the real world having a mental diesease treated or otherwise is still a stigma.

you have to understand in the real world having a mental diesease treated or otherwise is still a stigma.

Very true. In fact, that's why many do NOT seek treatment, because of the stigma attached. It's ridiculous, really. A mental illness is a disease, just like cancer or multiple sclerosis. It just happens to affect the brain, rather than some other system.

I find it hard to believe he would have PTSD and still be able to obtain an applied science degree in the same year he comes back from Iraq. Wouldn't he have had difficulty focusing, functioning etc. to handle getting a qualification in Criminal Justice?
My money is on him being a mean btard with anger issues with no PTSD. Note that he did time for sexual battery in Ohio! Nope, not buying the PTSD excuse....

Ptsd isnt a reason to kill your exgirlfriend and mother of your child because you are a jealous, insecure ahole. Hmm, wonder if that could be why she dumped you in the first place. If you cant move on with your life, kill yourself & leave normal people alone. Freak.

Oops, just reread and realized the guy was convicted AFTER his military service. Definitely one that should have stayed behind bars.

Psycho vets? I tell you UKA go to your local VA hospital and say that out loud.

I dare you.

Oh, by the way your welcome.

If uka navigates a map the way he navigates a dictionary, he couldn't find the local VA hospital if he did have the brass to look for it.

And by the way, thank you, charleslennon, from a peace-loving civilian who knows peace isn't free.

Hey we're all family here and thanks for keeping the lights on for all of us.

Katie,

Stereotyping is easy when you're sitting behind a computer................

Scroll up to #5.2 and take my (latter) advice...>>>>>>>>>BEOTCH<<<<<<<<<

An underlying psychiatric issue? Really? Ya think so? Really? He shoots an ex-girlfriend, then a pregnant woman, then their mother and then himself. And you come to the conclusion that he may have been a little nuts? Thanks for the 411, Matlock.

Well Mr Creek Dog, aren't you a pleasant person. Katie is right, some of the people who post on this type of thing (like the people on other stories who dream up new and interesting ways to cause other perps harm) sound like psycho's themselves. Personal insults (particularly when bolded) just make you look like one of them, i.e. angry and not in control of yourself.

"You know, not everyone who commits a crime, especially murder, kills themselves because they are cowards."

No I don't know, because everyone who commits a crime and kills themselves are cowards. What would you call it, "brave". It's not like he was performing seppuku. But hey nice try at spinning things, I'm sure some fools would buy that kool-aid that you're drinking.

"You know, not everyone who commits a crime, especially murder, kills themselves because they are cowards."

She's not saying people who commit murders aren't cowards. What she's saying is that those who commit murder and THEN kill themselves aren't necessarily killing themselves because they're cowards. ;)

Just curious as to what you would call them? Responsible? Guilty? Selfish?

Bart when you were in NAM did they have A/C and I'm certain you got to watch all the Major sporting events while you were there. Oh i forgot did you have a hard time spending that $1K you got every Month in Combat Pay.

So all of these guys are just wandering murderers in waiting? How about yourself? Are you part of that group. Every man chooses his own destiny. He chose to commit a crime and kill himself. The fact he was ex-military never forced his hand one way or the other. Now if you choose to live a life of bitterness, that is your choice and no one's fault but your own. Not the government, not the current military. How about you stop blaming everybody for the way you were treated, and pull your boots up like a big boy. Or is it just easier to blame other people for your own choices?

Bart,thank you for your service, what you are saying is essentially true. No more war would be to many wars in my opinion, nothing ever gets settled and the little guy takes the hit while the rich get richer on our blood and guts of those that fight their wars. Vietnam certainly wasn't in the best interest of the U.S. in any way. Iraq and Afghanistan wasn't either.

Rankandfile are you a VET?

Or just a dick?

Ding ding ding! Correct answer, Charles!

"Bart when you were in NAM did they have A/C and I'm certain you got to watch all the Major sporting events while you were there. Oh i forgot did you have a hard time spending that $1K you got every Month in Combat Pay"

Hey Charles:
I cant tell if this guy is jerking my chain or not.
I think I got about 35$ a month in Combat pay.
All the sporting events I saw were taking place in my unit.
We never had any connection to the outside world, as You likely know.

One sprting event I remember was a LRRP combat infantryman boiling NVA heads in a pot.
Does that count?

I think he is referring to how it is for these Volunteers now.

I note Your sarcasm, R and F:
No foul..:o)

So, Rank and File: You know very well we did not

Don't forget the lima bean and ham torture sessions.

The treatment of returning Viet Nam veterans was shameful; among American civilians' darkest hours. If the pendulum has swung too far the other way, it may be in direct proportion to how wrong we were back then. Add to that the events of 9/11, and the current hero-worship status granted to all veterans seems almost inevitable. Every single member of the Armed Forces gets my thanks, but I'm not blind to the fact that there will be a few bad apples in a bushel that big.

mllrn are you a vet? You just about insulted everybody with your post. Vets, African-Americans and PTSD patients.

Blacks and VETS have been serving and defending this country long before you were born and long after you are dead.

If you fill all of us VETS and blacks are pathetic individuals then show how brave and courageous you are and walk into you local VA hospital or visit your local military base, post or port carrying a sign with your post.

Oh, buy the way your welcome.

And most ignorant post of the day goes to.........Congradulations mllrn, you've just won.

charleslennon, I am a vet also, but your expecting thanks annoys the hell out of me. I served my country not for thanks, but for the love of it. Because my father and grandfather fought to preserve the freedoms I enjoyed. My friends who have served I have never heard them just speak up with an "you are welcome", I have my doubts of your service. Keep posting though I am sure you will get your pat on the back you are so desperately seeking.

KEMPER MILITARY SCHOOL and COLLEGE. 1987-1990

1991-1992 USAMEDCOM FORT HOUSTON, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS

1992-1996 HHC 1/16 INFANTRY MECH FORT RILEY, KANSAS

1996-1999 WEISBADEN ARMY AIRBASE, WEISBADEN, GERMANY

Dad 25 INFANTRY and 24 INFANTRY [Colored then Intro] 23 years '49-'73 ret. CSM. Charley Baker regardless still a baby killer and Uncle Tom when he got home.

Maternal grandpa THIRD ARMY [colored] WW 2 '42-'49, regardless still a @!$%# when he got home.

Paternal grandpa Brittish NAVY [Irish] WW1 '15-'21, regardless still a Irish bum when he got home.

Maternal great-grandpa civil war Oklahoma. He was against pretty much everybody who wasn't part of the Union or the five nations. It's a Freedmen Cherokee thing you wouldn't understand. But still a savage.

Me, well even though I joined like all of my ancestors, even though I've treated all kinds of people and brought life into this world of all colors and nationalities, well I'm an "Sell Out".

Yeah I want a "thank you" for me and all those who never got the THANKS they deserved but that's just me.

And if you doubt my courage come on down to Junction City, KS. The JC bar. Ask Jamie to call me and you and me can have a parley.

Anytime any day.

I'm a ex-medic. I will always be a soldier until the day I die. That will never end.

Oh, I don't need a thank you from you, your girlfriend already thanked me.

There you go wanting praise, man you are all about you aren't you.

Not not just me but "U.S. VETS" past and present and their families, friends and supporters. You questioned my service. You questioned my honesty and that's all you got.

I called YOU OUT kid!

But I'll help you with the a proper retort because that's the kind of guy I am. Umm let's see, I got it!

For just a moment, back away from the console. Put your Twinkies down. Place the top back on the Vaseline jar if you can find it. Give your mom a big surprise and tell her your not only going to take a shower today but your actually going to go outside.

Now spread your feet shoulder with apart. Bend at the knees so you don't hurt your back and slowly lower your upperbody untill your head is as far down as it can go. Once there place your cranium with as much effort as you can muster UP YOUR ASS.

If you can't do it regardless how much you try ask a VET or anyone who appreciates self-sacrifice to assist. If you don't know any one off hand you could try a Police Officer, Firefighter, Nurse, Doctor, Defence attorney, your local DA, house wife, organ donor, substance abuse counselor, Minister, Priest, Cleric, parents of missing children, widowers, new US citizens, homeless families (they could take turns) or anybody who has any decency.

Hell we could make it a celebration! I could bring you to the yearly grass dance in Talequah and STOMP IT IN! Or maybe Tuskegee they love experimenting down there! In fact they'd problaby help calculate how much force it needed to put it in and take it out.

Gotta love them Southerners!

And if you have tried all those options maybe Fido the neighbor's dog! You know the one you've secretly been seeing on the side. Wouldn't that be special!

Or just join the service whether public or military and show the world those little things you got stuffed in your drawers aren't the crumbs from last weeks Snicker's bar.

No, you got four less mouths to feed.

By your logic, the NRA have never lost. Sucks for you.

And you fing fascist that insist on putting more guns on the street deserve to die by a gun. You got any idea how stupid that statement is? Guns don't shoot people but if the gun isn't in the room, no one gets shot.

ok John you little tree hugger, without guns he would have used a club, a tire iron, knife, machete, hung them, strangled them, your arguement is moot, sure lets be like nazi germany or any other country that has banned guns, research that, and tell me what you come up with, when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns, and even if, this guy would have ended up with one anyway, they will never go completely go away, so get over it the world is not utopian and never will be, and guns still dont kill people the person behind the trigger does, so lets outlaw them, knives, ropes, chains, ball bats, wire, rocks, sticks, john just go away.

Tell that to Fast & Furious

AV: sounds like YOU need a hug--even from a tree!

If it didn't you wouldn't be sprewing turd on the vine. Maybe you like to move to China, they don't allow gun cultures to exist there.

Not able to deal with the transition back to life? He managed to get a degree when he got back home so he transitioned pretty well until getting caught for sexual battery....