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Subscribe to RSSJust a day before celebrations begin for this year's San Diego LGBT Pride Festival, the Department of Defense authorized all service members to wear their uniforms during the Pride Parade.
The announcement comes after a Navy Region Southwest authorized sailors to march in their uniforms. Thursday's announcement is the final word for all members of the military.
Read the original story on NBC San Diego.
Approval was largely made acceptable by this year’s repeal of the federal “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell" policy.
The Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense in Washington sent a memo to all branches of the military Thursday afternoon granting the approval.
"Based on our current knowledge of the event and existing policies," the memo read, "we hereby are granting approval for service members in uniform to participate in this year's parade, provided service members participate in their personal capacity and ensure the adherence to Military Service standards of appearance and wear of the military uniform."
Service members are prohibited from representing their military service to campaign for political candidates or engage in fundraising. Asked if marching in a gay pride parade could be considered a “political statement,” a senior military official told NBC News that the request received a lot of attention at the Pentagon and, given the “sensitivity of the issue,” permission to march was granted.
Local commanders previously had the authority to grant military personnel to wear their uniforms. However, approval at a higher level was granted "now since the event has garnered national media attention," the memo stated.
It was a first last year, when active duty military personnel joined retirees to create a nearly 200-person strong group in San Dego's Pride Celebration. They wore t-shirts with their branch of the military on them.
"Today is a great day of Pride! San Diego Pride is honored to have the privilege of celebrating our country and our servicemembers with dignity and respect," said San Diego LGBT Pride Executive Director Dwayne Crenshaw in a statement.
“The fight for equality is not over and it is not easy, but this is a giant leap in the right direction.”
NBC News' Jim Miklaszewski contributed to this report.
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It is such a pity that the professionals who wear the uniforms are being indignified by degenerates that bring disgrace to theirselves by parading around flaunting flambouyant colors and mottos. Maybe Pres. Clinton was correct to implement "DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL". I dread the day that our future generations must coincide with these confused degenerates. Shameful that leadership would approve of these unprofessional mannerisms. Utterly dispicable!
Please, say that to a gay marines face. Thanks.
No one is allowed to wear military uniforms for political reasons.
A pride parade is a political reason, how???
You serious?
Is it run by any political party? Is it funded or funding any political party? The people who go to pride parades, I would safely assume, vote more lefty, but how does that make it a political event?
Well to put it simply, when the president decides he supports gay marriage (all of a sudden during an election year), that makes it political, of course the parade is political aside from that, dont pretend naivety.
If you dont think this is a political statement, then you are already lost.
Oh, so because the POTUS has an opinion, that opinion gets applied to everything, and everything gets politicized?
So, obviously, Obama likes Portuguese Water Dogs, does that mean any kennel club involved with that breed is now a political function?
That really makes no sense.
Sarah, what would you say if peple wore military uniforms to "anti-gay" parades ( not like they exist)? Youd say it was political, wouldnt you? We both know so, but i doubt youll admit it.
I dont know what obama likes to eat, but they do sound tasty.
Tru,
I'd say they were exercising their first amendment rights and couldn't be held hostage to a single person's opinion, just because it happens to coincide with theirs.
So because the new rule coincides with your beliefs you accept that it is fine. Im willing to bet if this article was about wearing uniforms in an anti-gay march youd be upset. It's easier to ignore the rules when you have an agenda.
Did you read 1.9? Apparently, then you have no substantive argument and all you can do is opine on what I may or may not say?
Its still political, so youre avoiding what the law is.
Tru,
Yeah, you can't prove I'm avoiding what the law is, until you make a better case for how it's political. Your opinion, doesn't constitute any kind of evidence or legal standard/reasoning.
Oh, the fallacy of proof by assertion.
Just because you dont care, doesnt make it true, then again that is the typical lib mindset. Whatever, believe what you want, its still political and its just another case of special priveldge. Im over it.
Yes, it's still political just because you say so, although you've presented nothing that would actually prove that in a court, and I'm just silly for not taking your opinon as fact.
A parade for a purpose isnt political, you got me. Youd be all over it if it were for something you didnt like, but as i said, whatever. No one on this planet will ever sway a liberal from their ideology, and quite honestly, i dont care enough.
When some guys in uniform choose to oppose this, youll be the first to attack them, its basic liberal hypocrisy, so dont feel special.
Tru,
You are out of ammo, man. Call it a day.
She CLEARLY is applying the same logic to both situations whether it falls in line with her personal beliefs or not, which reflects a fair and reasonable assessment of the situation. You on the other hand are trying to have it both ways.
Based on your logic the personal opinion of the President should dictate what makes something a political event and what doesn't. Just because homosexuality is a hotly contested political issue in society, it does not make a pride parade a political or patriotic event. Plenty of African Americans march on MLK day. That doesn't make it political because they are "flaunting" their race, does it?
The president also called Kanye West an ass. Does this mean I can't wear my Navy uniform to one of his concerts now? If the President suddenly criticizes the FAA or TSA does it mean soldiers on their way home from war should no longer be able to wear their uniform on a plane?
Way to Cherry Pick. I think the one who is being transparent with their personal bias is YOU!
Wow, do some of you people really think anyone cares about your moral pronouncements? You promote discrimination. If not liking discrimination is liberal hypocrisy, then I will accept the label from the consensus of the knuckle dragger hypocrisy. Na na na na na na, I'm taking my ball and going home, making that raspberry sound with my tongue and stay out of my yard.
Errrr, wrong, you are both only applying that logic because it suits your agenda. Thats fine, but you are both hypocrites. Saying youd feel the same way, and actually doing it are not the same thing. Its easy to say youd do something, but wont have to, like obama does.
The rest of your post is foolishness, so there is no reason to respond to it, but at least youre well spoken (written) and have the ability to convey a point, regardless how irrelevant.
Oh, im not bias, i dont care about gays, i just think liberal hypocrisy is far too prevalent today.
Sarah Show me a gay marine and I would say it to his face. Funny thing is, he or she would not do anything about it because of what would happen after they got their ass kicked. The Marines would be on them for their conduct in public in uniform.
Not so sure that has anything to do with why wearing a uniform in a political show is wrong.
I just want to know when the do the hetrosexual pride parades start
March? Don't you mean skip and sashay?!
What's the old saying? Never wrestle in the mud with a pig. They enjoy it, and win with experience. Bigots love mud. The war is won. The next generation doesn't give a dam about who you love. The bigotry is dying out.
sarah are you or were you ever a marine? probably not so STFU.the USMC or any branch of our armed forces should not be used for some type of social experiments.and as far as gays wearing thier uniforms in a parade IMO should not be allowed.we are (or were)prohibited the wearing of our uniforms in any political event and this no matter how you spin it is political event.hell how pissed off would ya'll be if i wore my uniform to say some conservative rally? the libtard hypocrisy is just fukking amazing!!
I did say that, more eloquently, but did say it str8. Yet the libs didint care about te truth.
str, as is the "contard" ignorance.
Sarah, tell you what big mouth, I will tell that to a gay marines face.
If he doesn't like it, he can do anything he likes, . I was a marine, be glad to compare training with him.
Str8jkt
I have had Marines...they are easy!
Princess Island...Uh..I mean Parris Island was a happy hunting ground in my younger days
No one is allowed to wear military uniforms for political reasons.
Yeah, too bad don't ask don't tell was repealed, ergo it's legal and not political at all.
I'm sure there are gay Republican and Democrat service members.
Why don't you take the lead, Harold? Organize one as soon as you've changed your orientation.
I fully support the removal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy. I also think that time has come to accept the fact that those that are different form us have the same rights as we do. I firmly believe that gay rights is a civil right issue. Having said that, I am reluctant to agree with the policy makers on this. The policy on political activism in uniform is pretty clear. It is off limits! There is a great reason for it. As soldiers we defend the American people and follow orders of the President regardless of his political party. In this case wearing a uniform to the parade would indicate your approval of a particular political action. To say that this is not related to politics is absurd. I can't imagine anyone wearing their uniform to a breast cancer walk or some other similar non-political walk/parade. Why should this parade be any different if it's not politically motivated?
Doesn't matter what the bigots say. The Pentagon officials have said it is not a political function and service members may show their support of the LGBT community provided they do so in a respectful manner and comply with the rules and regulations regarding proper wear of the service uniform. It will take more than some bigots objection to change that. Get some stars on your collar and then you can have a say in the governance of service members. The argument about soldiers participating in anti-gay parades/rallies is a moot point as that is seen as discriminatory behavior and is punishable under UCMJ. If you are a service member and feel that your personal bias takes precedent over the values (and lawful orders) of the armed services you are free to seperate and express all the bigoted nonsense you wish.
tru, using your logic, it is political for a service person to wear a uniform in ANY parade.
Harold, start one. Breeders are free to do anything they want in public anytime they want to. They hold hands, kiss and even make out. All kinds of public acts of affection. Give me a break.
Tru. Good job buddy. The ignoramuses are plainly oblivious to their own egotistical one-sided shadows.
There have been gays in the military since the military was first thought up in someone's head. Ignorance is bliss for many of you.. Do you think that just because Clinton imposed a law that suddenly all gays just disappeared into the night...never to be seen again? Think again! Not only did they NOT go away, but have grown in number and have RIGHTS just like EVERYONE ELSE. So go hide in YOUR closet and hopefully we won't see YOU again for another 20-30 years...
So is the St. Patrick parades political in nature? I mean, it's about the Irish and their pride. How about Mardi Gras? That seems to be the universal place for "Girls Gone Wild" style videos. Really, let's get past this whole "Hetero Pride" thing. If people want it, then start it! But lets not forget how Pride parades started or they symbology of parades. They started because the gay community was sick and tired of being abused and arrested and then when AIDS came on the scene was a way of showing solidarity in the community.
If a man or woman is brave enough to wear the uniform and fight for your rights, they deserve to show their sacrifice in a meaningful way. Past military or not, any man or woman in the uniform deserves our respect and our thanks for what they do for us.
Finally, if you don't like gay parades, don't go. If you don't want gay marriage, don't marry a gay person. If you don't want them in your church, that's fine. But no one has the right to say we do not have the right to exist or stand up and say that we matter as a group of people who are American and there is nothing more American than sacrificing their life to ensure your freedom.
Sarah,
I'd be glad to say it to a 'Gay Jarhead's Face'. Just because he or she is a 'Jarhead' does not make them 'Tuff'. Back during VietNam I knew alot of 'Tuff' people, in all Branches of Military, and have known alot since.
It is a 'Shame' for Anyone in Any Branch of the US Armed Forces to wear their 'Uniform' in such a 'Shameful' display.
Sara, spewing such constant drivel uses up alot of good air. Please stop.
Internet tough guys are always good for a laugh.
Oh no.. gays/lesbians wearing their uniforms in a pride parade.. Oh no, the sky is falling, the sky is falling!! this is a travesty.
Sarcasm is a wonderful thing and so are those who feel threatened by something as simple as this.
It has alway been the military's policy to not allow you to march in any politcal rally/parade in uniform, by your own statement quoting above, this is a politcal rally therefore the policy is agaisnt it. What makes me so mad about this is, if a Servicemember was to attend a republican/democratic convention wearing his uniform today he would be punished under UCMJ and that is a double standard now that servicemembers are being allowed to wear their uniform at this politcal rallly. It has always been a political rally in suppport of Gay Rights, You cannot argue against this fact. Therefore, it is off limits in uniform because it goes against the military's policy.
I am a Former Marine as well.
and Factof thematter:
the Fact that it was repealed makes it a political matter, politics is the reason it was appealed, common sense!
Oh, and by the way, I would not have a problem with this if the servicemembes would also be allowed to wear uniforms to other polical rallys, but as it is now, the gay rights activists are getting special treatment, that is what has me so PISSED OFF about this right now!
Yup. This has nothing to do with politics but your own personal feelings. Parades are not political. They are not recruitments. They are a way of likeminded people coming together to celebrate their similarities not their differences. The fact that you choose to see it as political does not make it political. Anyone can march in these parades from Democrats to Republicans to Independents to Christians to Atheist to Straight to Gay. It's the most inclusive parade you will ever attend and THAT is not political it's inclusive. Sorry being inclusive "pissed" you off so badly.
Pickle sniffers and rug munchers -----BACK IN THE CLOSET !
Hey Johnny N., does this mean that King James should have stayed in the closet?
For those who wasn't aware, King James himself was gay. You know, the same guy who had the bible translated under his watchful eyes. The same bible people use as a crutch to bash gay people. You have to ask yourself, why would a King who was gay, put out a book that supposedly was against gays? I don't believe that he would have, if it was true that the book was against being gay.
For those who don't believe he was gay, there are two books on the market about him, one being just "King James", and the other is "The Wisest Fool in Christendom". Read them if you don't believe it.
To bad the facts contradict you. In 2010 Obama stated: “My feelings about this are constantly evolving,” Obama said about same-sex marriage in December of 2010. Last I checked, 2010 wasn't an election year. But nice try anyways.
God forbid that someone's opinion on something might change over time. Not like that matters though. People like you will b*tch about him no matter what stance he takes. In your mind he's either pandering for votes one hand, or unwilling to change on the other. Though I'm not really sure why you'd think that being pro-gay marriage would actually get him more votes, considering the for or against crowd is pretty evenly split.
Last I checked, they already do wear their uniforms to church.
Great point.
Very sad day for the Military.
I think it is a very PROUD day for the military. Unlike the scouts, who has made me feel ashamed that my kids had been in that organization.
homesick - You are one sad yankee coward.
I'm very happy the military has finally joined the 21st century, unlike a large portion of our population.
THIS COUNTRY IS PATHETIC! This is the problem, give them an inch and they take a mile. Makes me want to vomit.
Sad how?! Sexual orientation does NOT make soldiers weaker or any different. Joe- if you don't like our country, you can leave any time you like. :)
Alan Turing, a gay man, stopped Hitler, saved the jews and the world.
He made D-Day possible. He made the American victory possible with his genius and goodness.
Then he invented your computer.
If you can read this, thank a gay today.
Remembering Alan Turing at 100
1912 - 1957
Oh great, here it comes again, this time from elrenno...the crap about joining the 21st century....as if any past moral standards were all ignorant tripe from the dark ages, and now mankind is enlightened enough to sanction any god**mned thing any body feels like doing in the name of being "progressive". I took biology and anatomy, and with just a modicum of basic common sense I can recognize that the human genitalia were designed for a clearly specific function. Any other function is an abberration of nature, and I don't care if one is born with the tendency or not, it still isn't natural, and I resent the demand that I accept it being shoved down my throat.
GayAthiest
I saw Breaking the Code on Bway years ago..all about Alan Turing...was good.
To the Bigots posting
If a man is willing to DIE for his country then to denigrate him over his sexuality is truly despicable. Of course to denigrate anyone over their sexuality is disgusting.
But you and yours will die off soon enough, and the future is clear,,,we will win, you will lose. Bigotry, hate etc always does.
spider- just so you know, biologists have found that other species have homosexuality as well. :) -> news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx
"as if any past moral standards were all ignorant tripe from the dark ages"
Some of them obviously were. We have grown past the arbitrary rules of ancient superstitions and now can follow rules that actually make sense.
peace1089
Guess what Peace ? The latest studies are proving that there is no genetic link for homosexual behavior. They are the twins studies, look them up.
A lot of gays claim that the genetic link has been found. That is incorrect. Those studies only suggested a genetic link. Nobody found a "gay" gene.
There are many who believe the other studies were flawed as there was bias from the start, and they wanted badly to have "ground breaking: results so badly for their own selfish needs, that the results may have been skewed.
All the Medical and Psychiatric associations were levered by fear of being called "bigots" as you people so often throw around to belittle normal people and groups like President Obama ( vote pandering soul sell-out ).
My question is this; What do you really think Obama thinks about gays in private ?
It's likely that he has close gay friends he has met over the years and that he has learned to admire, love and respect them in the same way he loves respects and admires the straight friends he has met over the years. Your question is equivalent to asking what a strawberry ice cream loving president really thinks of those people who profess a love of orange sherbet when he's in private.
No gays or anyone else I know of with any sort of scientific biological background have claimed that a gay gene has been found. There probably isn't a single gene to be found that in itself is responsible for sexual orientation, but it's highly likely that sexual orientation is produced by an orchestration of many genes and environmental and hormonal factors in the womb during pregnancy. The idea that there would be a single gene responsible for something as complex as sexual orientation is misguided to begin with.
Many people believe many different things, but belief is not science and beliefs in your case should not used to underpin your obviously bigoted stance on this topic.
Culheath, in other words....you like being on all fours.
LOL only when I'm looking for my glasses or a lost laptop screw.
You must be one of the Republicans who "boo'ed" the solider on national TV, just because he was gay. It's nice to know we have an entire political party that have ZERO respect for those putting their lives on the line for our freedom.
Our military ought to be ashamed for disgracing the uniform in this manner. I'm ashamed!
Have you not heard yet that there are gays in the military.... wow you are about 200 years behind!
& ur a b!tch Babs! I hope ur ugly a$$ never reproduces.
Why is it a disgrace? Until DADT was repealed, service members were forced to lie about who they are. Now they can proudly proclaim that they are gay AND willing to stand up and defend a nation that largely treats them like second-class citizens. I'm proud of ALL our service members, including the gay ones.
stevo
typical lib, when you don't like it just be an a$$
But that is the thinking behind your leftist agenda
Good for you.
I'll bet you wouldn't be ashamed, or even ask one's sexual orientation if it were a person in uniform directly saving your life. We're all human our sexual orientation should not have any thing what so ever to do with anything, neither should ones color, religion or lack of religion. If you don't have anything nice to say please don't say anything. I'll bet you would have no objections to a service member wearing his or her uniform in any other parade. I rest my case, and by the way no I'm not gay. But I'm not a biggot either.
Wouldn't the wearing of a military uniform will killing the enemy be considered "wearing the uniform for political reasons"?
@Barbara A Bostic Cox and other idiots,What century are you living in??? There are many uniforms worn by LGBT citizens,examples police, firemen and women, doctors, nurses, teachers, all military branches, shall I go on? These people protect, save lives, and heal. Who they decide to love and be in a relationship with is absolutely NONE of your business!!!! I feel sorry for you and any other closed minded person on this blog, I'd rather be gay than stupid anyday!!!! And yes you should be ashamed, for being ingnorant, bless your little minded heart!
I don't know it's an issue that could raise the ire of those that have no sense of fairness. I didn't wake up suddenly straight one day. I've always been straight. Sexual orientation isn't someone people order off the al la carte menu of life. It's just that way. And, if you think that gay people "recruit." That's the evangelicals. I've had Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Baptist--they've all try to recruit me, but never a gay person. My wife and I have friends--not gay friends or straight friends. So----Damned right the GLBT community that served our country deserve the exact recognition that we straight Veterans do.
GO NAMBLA
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You are a neanderthal dog if you even think that gays haven't been serving since the beginning of time. If you truly think this is bad: then leave the country.
Most of the more elite soldiers I served with were gay. They were'nt distractednby bigoted nonsense.
And by the by I've noticed a very suspicious correlation between Homophobes aned their objections. Hmmm... Just a thought.
Considering the "Sensitivity of the issue", they are going to allow it. Meaning, this is an election year, and they don't wanna piss off the Gay/Lesbian community by not allowing it.
Personally I never understood the "Don't ask don't tell" Policy to start with. WHY they needed such a policy. I've worked in the private sector all my working life and have NEVER had a prospective employer ask me what my sexual orientation was. It just wasn't anyone business.Same should be true for the military or any other public service.
Hey Barbara - if you are ashamed of the men and women who protect your freedoms, then perhaps you should A) Tell them to their face, B) Move to another country where oppression is more prevelant, C) Get Bent.
I am ashamed to be sharing this great country with You. IMHO, You are a biggot; You are selfish.
However, you do have the right to be so and to say the things you say. But, guess who are some of the people who defend your right to do that. Think about that, you SFC.
This is tantamount to allowing military personnel to wear their uniforms at political events, which is currently against regulations. These marches are political in nature and the military should not be making this exception to the rule for the sake of political correctness. This is completely wrong and any military member who is court martialed or otherwise disciplined for wearing their uniform at a political rally or event should sue on the grounds of selective prosecution sighting this ruling. This is no different than wearing your uniform to a political rally or to give a religious sermon, it is specifically not allowed under regulations and this should never have been permitted. It is nothing more than political correctness run amok!!!
Lolly1192
Have you not heard yet that there are gays in the military.... wow you are about 200 years behind!
Well, You got the behind part right.
elrenno
Why is it a disgrace? Until DADT was repealed, service members were forced to lie about who they are
They should just kept on lying and give the military the dignity that it deserves and keep their political agenda to themselves.
Janine-1645002
I've worked in the private sector all my working life and have NEVER had a prospective employer ask me what my sexual orientation was.
Thats because you never had your butt groped by someone of the same sex. I actually saw that happen once and the woman that was groped at work was extremely pissed. Even I was harrassed by someone of the same sex trying to stick his hands where they dont obviously belong. Do you think that I would even put up with that? The answer is real simple: HELL NO!
JustAJoe1
I am ashamed to be sharing this great country with You
You share this country with the likes of the KKK and Aryan Nations and yet you are ashamed of one person. Oh please!
So anti-gay policies are NOT political? lol...
I'm pretty sure opposite sex groping occurs more than same-sex groping. So what's your point? Because it can't be that same-sex people are more prone to grope than opposite sex.... that would just be stupid.
FACT: Upwards of 90% of pedophelia cases are perpetrated by heterosexual men.
Bigots are bigots. We should be ashamed of all of them.
Of course they do, because more people come out as gay and earlier suicide rates did not include the sexual orientation of those who had not yet come out.
Pure BS with zero scientific backing. The reason that the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) removed homosexuality from it's listings of mental disorders in 1973 is because it became recognized that a majority of gay people did not fit the definition pathological description of mental disorder:
and a that since a majority of gays were perfectly rational and happy individuals with none of the characteristic of mental pathology. In other words, homosexuality in itself does not constitute a psychiatric disorder. It it rather defined as a natural variant of human sexual behavior on a spectrum of human sexual behaviors.
Your assessment is not based on science or current expert considerations but rather on a subjective appraisal colored by moral valuations.
If gays have a higher rate of depression and suicide rate than the general population it is certainly not because of their homosexual itself but because of the oppression and rejection they experience from the moralizing elements in the larger straight society.
Homosexuality is NOT caused by early emotional trauma. To claim such is both facile and naive and will lead to damage to gay individuals subject to the authority of people who hold such convictions.
I apologize for the typos...need coffee.
should read: " and that since a majority of gays"
should read, ...certainly not because of their homosexuality itself...
DOH!
Methinks that "TrueLGBT" troll has reregistered, spewing her non-facts, lies, and distortions with zero regard for integrity or honesty.
JD, you've got it absolutely right. I don't think anyone would care if these soldiers marched around at this parade in plain clothes. Heck, they could probably carry a banner saying that they're soldiers, and no one would raise an eyebrow. But the uniform? This is a major deviation from past military policy and, in my opinion, one of the dumbest moves they could make. The military uniform is supposed to be politically neutral! But, like you said... political correctness run amok.
Gays and travestis in uniform representing the Military in a gay parade? .Obama is pushing the gay agenda because Democrats have lower turn out in the Military. This is nothing more than politics , and desperation in the Democratic camp. I want to know is Military in uniform can assist to any public event regardless the reason, because if they have limitations , this is bias. It is time to do an Straight Pride parade and will see if Panneta will allowed Military in Uniform.
Shuklack
FACT: Upwards of 90% of pedophelia cases are perpetrated by heterosexual men
Only 90%, Wow so what with the 10% then. Oh thats right, you don't want to upset your Rump Ranger friends and don't want to post everything.
So out of that 90%. How many pedophiles engage in sexual relations with the same sex and how many engage in the opposite sex? I would bet that those numbers would even make you want throw up. I know it would make me want to puke.
But I guess no one ever throws out those numbers because it would just upset a few people. Wanna bet on who?
Whaaaat??? Pretty soon they will be allowed to serve. Just kidding-my dads unit during Korea had gays, nobody gave a damn said they put up curtains in the barracks and were always squared away. Don't make a big deal out of it.
& we r in the gym locker rooms too. Oh My!!!
Yeah, Right.
Wouldn't wearing the uniform while killing the enemy considered "wearing the uniform for political reasons"?
What a disgrace for our armed services uniform !
I guess now we can expect to see the uniform at KKK and Neo Nazi rallies also !
No. But these are three very different groups. Neo Nazis have an agenda of hatred.
The KKK has an agenda of hated.
The GLBTNEBw/eTL;DC only has an agenda of love...
They'd love for people like you to finally come out of the closet and stop repressing yourself into misery.
The KKK and Neo-Nazi's have their own uniforms.
As for the The GLBTNEBw/eTL;DC only has an agenda of love... Then what are they doing in the military? Are they going to love the enemy to death? Are they going to throw kisses at the enemy or bullets?
I retired from the Army, I figure it can't be anymore degrading that a GI in Uniform being in a bar drunk and starting fights with Civilians, or so drunk vomiting and passing out at the bar. I would rather see they not wear Uniforms from any branch of service to these affairs.
This is tantamount to allowing military personnel to wear their uniforms at political events, which is currently against regulations. These marches are political in nature and the military should not be making this exception to the rule for the sake of political correctness. This is completely wrong and any military member who is court martialed or otherwise disciplined for wearing their uniform at a political rally or event should sue on the grounds of selective prosecution sighting this ruling. This is no different than wearing your uniform to a political rally or to give a religious sermon, it is specifically not allowed under regulations and this should never have been permitted. It is nothing more than political correctness run amok!!!
@JS
Exactly what I was thinking. How in the heck are they allowing people to get away with this. This is completely wrong.
JS:
Since the wear of uniforms at rallies is a matter of military policy, it is up to the DoD to determine what does and does not constitute a political rally, and provide exceptions. In this case, the DoD has determined that Pride Parades do not constitute political rallies.
That's why you don't see military parades anymore.Real GI,S march and the prancers can not keep in step you know that little Sissy prance.
Should just go back to the military being in uniform 24/7.
JS in SD
The DoD disagrees with you... and their decision is more important than the feeble OPINION of some "nobody in SD".
@6Dogs: It's going to be a lot more degrading than being drunk in a bar. This makes me want to throw up!! You don't use the uniform of the US military to flaunt your sexual preferences and this is what this "cat and queer show" is doing. This is a day the military should hang its head in shame because it has reached an all time PC low. If I were in the military on that day, I sure wouldn't admit to it and that is a terrible thing to say. The DoD is going along with this because they got this PC policy shoved down their throat by a bunch of gays that, most of which, will never serve, but that doesn't mean the majority really supported it behind closed doors. This is a disgrace pure and simple to the uniform. It's enough to gag a dead man!
@mguy-478; got news for you too: There are a lot of "some bodies" out there whose opinions do count and you are going to find out one day when the number of casualties start increasing. Wait for it, wait for it.
This is news?? I saw a navy parade once and mistook it for a gay rights march anyway.....:)
Just kidding swabbies.....Semper Fi 2/5 USMC the USS Tarawa would have never moved without you guys.
Q. Why did the Navy create the Marine Corps?
A. So the sailors would have someone to dance with.
Semper Fidelis !
USMC '65-'71
lokay5,
I tried to join the Corps, but they found out my parents were married... Destroyer Sailors First!!!
You guys are hilarious!
I'd give a motto but the Air Force's suck.
Pickle sniffers and rug munchers ----- BACK IN THE CLOSET !!!!!~
Another victory for the homosexual agenda brought to us by the Obama DOD. I think the President might be closet homosexual. Might as well have co -ed barracks now. If homosexuals are allowed to shower with straight men, bring on the women. What's the difference?
If God does not bring America to it's knees He's going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah on judgement day.
I just wish god would endow his believers with an understanding of critical thought, and the difference between BELIEFS and SCIENTIFIC FACT.
Basic biology.
Considering that Sodom and Gomorrah were not condemned for homosexuality but rape, inhospitality, lack of care for the poor, and pride, I'd say you're quite wrong.
Homosexuality also played a part in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. It was sex of all kinds and the overall behavior of all.
That's "rampant" sex which God didn't exactly go along with that is.
Homosexuality existed in Sodom, but at no point does the bible claim this is the cause of its destruction. It does, however, list idolatry as a cause.
For the uneducated, idolatry in the bible is ritual sex as worship.
Notice I did NOT say homosexuality was the "cause" of the destruction. I said it played a "part" in it. In other words, it was part of the whole -- that's with a "w". All of the acts, of every nature, combined contributed to its destruction. Pls read the input before you comment and try to insult others. It looks like you may be the one that needs the education.
And yet, the bible does not support your own contention that it even played a part in the cause. Considering also that the bible does not condemn homosexuality in any other part of the bible sans Leviticus' cleanliness code, it stands to logical reason that homosexuality's role was null.
In case you weren't aware, I'm using the original texts, in Greek and Hebrew, as the basis.
Another gay themed story, what is Newsvine coming to?
Wally,
And yet, here you are posting?
Yo Sarah,
For quite some time I have been reading your posts on several vines of controversy. At work couldn't comment.
Finally decided to chime in. Earlier today people on the Chic FLA newsvine, someone was asking for you to chime in. I am sure to pick a fight with you. What is so funny is that your posts are quite intelligent it befuddles them, so from what I have seem your detractors stoop to sophomoric name calling.
Well now you have a fellow practitioner. Let us commence with the debates dudette.
LJ I should report you to the Newsvine moderators. The kind of conspiracy you just proposed to Sarah is not allowed (no ganging up). Only Feisty and her gang can do that.
@LJ_51
The irony of your post.
Here is an advice: Take a closer look of what you posted so you don't sound like a hypocrite.
Sarah is always most impressive, don't see her much in the regular vine seeds though - although I suppose one can get weary of debating with exactly the same people who's points you debunked yesterday (and yet they are making them again).
Reality and common sense.
Mr. President more distractions , more circus to avoid the real issues?
Where are the jobs, what about the economy, what about housing market. This is nothing more than cover up , a distraction from real problems , throwing controversial issues to divide our country. This president is a failure, doing a lousy job, we are stuck in the mod, 38,000 more unemployment claims this week. we are going in reverse.
Sarah-3043284 (and others) the issue is not that they are gay, the issue is they are performing in a function that is personal in nature and is not a military function. When Soldiers/Sailors get off duty they can make a quick stop to pick up say milk at the store etc. then they must go home and change to civilian clothes if they want to go "out & about".
There are special cases when a military body has an official function like a dining out that is after revely with the proper changes to the dress uniform and it makes it okay to be out and about in uniform. If you notice (or not) Active duty military has very little participation in parades even for the fourth of July etc. National Guard units are usually in those parades because they are "authorized" to interact with the public. That being said I could not imagine a commander authorizing their Service Members to participate in such a "event". Now if the whole entire Troop, Squadron, BDE (etc.) took part in it then it becomes a sanctioned event.
So I imagine none of you will have an issue with other servece members in uniform going out on the town and participate in a anti-gay parade, a KKK parade, an-anti jew parade and the list could continue. The military is supposed to be non-biased and be neutral and having them paricipate in a "event" like this causes issues with these ideals.
This is not about gay/not gay, or the bible or a political issue; it is about the fundemental change of our military and it's pride of being the most profesional force on the planet. Most military members feel things like these strip us of the pride and esprit decorp that has been evidient since 1776. I for one think it is wrong and should stop, ASAP.
Joe,
I totally agree with you!
Semper Fi "90-96"
Joe, you are absolutely correct! This is totally against the military SOP. Its amazing how the gays and supporters have managed to place their $5!+ stain on everything! Its like watching dogs mark their territory! Sickening!
newsvine is so pro homosexual their panties are showing
Joe, you are right on the mark. People like Sarah just aren't smart enough to distinguish the difference or just don't know their subject. In this case, the military. You don't make a mockery of the uniform. In this case, DoD is using the uniform for political purposes. Thank you Obama looking for votes. The uniform, which most wear proudly and know the guidelines for wearing it, will get some tarnish on it for this one. You don't wear it to show your sexual preferences or for personal gain of any kind. The rules are strict as to when the uniform can be worn. The use in this case is strictly, and without doubt, for political gain (votes). Anyone with an active brain cell can see that. This is a disgrace to every military Service uniform. If I were a Service Chief, I would be hard pressed to explain this to my "friends". Even though they are as political as anyone on the Hill, this one goes beyond anything they have ever encountered to have to explain. This is a pure, unadulterated shame!
It is such a pity that the professionals who wear the uniforms are being indignified by degenerates that bring disgrace to theirselves by parading around flaunting flambouyant colors and mottos. Maybe Pres. Clinton was correct to implement "DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL". I dread the day that our future generations must coincide with these confused degenerates. Shameful that leadership would approve of these unprofessional mannerisms. Utterly dispicable!
First, these men and women who have served in the armed forces, of all people, have the right to express their views freely. Second, if they are in uniform, they are not "flaunting flambouyant colors and mottos." They are marching in support of a group of people who are seeking to be treated as full citizens of the United States, equal in all ways to every other citizen, despite their sexual preferences. Third, no matter what your close-minded, poorly educated, intolerant arse believes, future generations will coexist with people of all races, religions, and gender preferences.
Now, I suggest that you go back to school and learn to use and spell terms from your own language correctly before embarrassing yourself with such poorly written tripe.
By the way, these service people and others like them fought and died so that you could express your opinions--however poorly--and you should thank them for that.
"They have the right to express their views freely"? See, that's actually not true when it comes to the military... or at least, not in uniform. In the past, the military has strictly forbidden anyone to wear their uniform for any political rallies on either side. Not at the Tea Party, not at OWS, nothing. They do this because they want to military to appear as neutral as possible on all political issues. So the fact that this is now allowed is a pretty big deal... and a major deviation from military policy.
To be clear, no one would care if these same veterans marched in plain clothes with a banner saying their in the military. It's just the uniform that should be controversial.
You are dead wrong. You are never allowed to wear your uniform in a political or special interest occasion. There have NEVER been any exceptions. Soldiers get charged and put in prison for doing so.
And now there is a one time exception put out for the gay lobby.....
I doubt the Congress was informed.
This was a political decision made by the White House for political gain in the upcoming election.
It is despicable, reprehensible and was announced at the last minute in the hope the it would be to late to recall the decision once it was publicized.
I hope the US Senate recalls the Secretary of Defense and sends that sorry piece of garbage packing.
We the voters will do the same with that sorry piece of garbage in the White House who keeps choosing his re-election at any costs over anything else.
Retired Combat Vet.,
As a Two Tour Combat VietNam Vet, I could not have said it better!!!
Retired Combat Vet your entitled to your own opinion, NOT YOUR OWN F-ING FACTS! I served as a Marine in Afghanistan and Iraq. I can tell you- this is not a "one time thing". This is just like any other non political rally. Your wrong. Period.
CBurroughs,RCV, I'll join you. Also 2 tour VN Vet.
celnev, you may have served as a Marine, doesn't MAKE you a Marine.
My internet dad can beat up your internet dad.
As a matter of military policy, the DoD has the full ability to determine any and all exceptions to their own policy. Needless to say, the wear of military uniforms at rallies is a DoD policy.
How is that not POLITICAL!!!!
Last time I checked, wars are fought for political reasons- by men in uniform.
Really, lokay? No wars have EVER been fought in the name of Christianity or any other religious reason?
"No wars have EVER been fought in the name of Christianity or any other religious reason?"
I didn't say that, did I! Did I say "all wars"? HMMmmm?
Did I?
@Cho. You are right about one thing. Professional people that wear the uniform will be "indignant" about the degenerates that have been forced among some of them. I'll give you that point with some minor corrections. And I'll tell you something else for your book of wisdom (as you seem to need some inputs): A lot of us don't give a rats (well, use your imagination) whether you like our opinion of gays or not because we have our own moral code and we kind of like it that way, so guess what we think you can do with your backend system? Yes, gays can expess their views freely. However, they DO NOT have the right to insult the uniforms of the US military and the person that signed off on this cat and queer show should be fired. To disgrace the uniform is something that should never be tolerated. If the gays in the military wanted to parade their butts in town, they should have done it in civilian clothes, but to insult the uniform was going way overboard. I'd rather see it drug thru manure, than degraded like it was in these show and tells. This is the sadest day in history for the uniforms of the US military. I saw it treated better during the protests of the Viet Nam war. Now I suggest you take YOUR tripe and sign off Cho Cho and crawl back in your hole. I'll leave it to you which one I am referring to.
They have served our country. Deal with it. If you have not served, then butt out. Besides, it will only be a matter of time before politics take over and wonder where those uniforms were made. It's all unnecessary drama. Gays are good for drama... I THINK NOT! Seems these good ol' boy straights have the drama in their court. Grow the hell up and remember: Melting pot. We have come from all different paths. If you don't like my colorful proud and out path, GET OFF AND TAKE ANOTHER PATH!
Chaddo,
If you want to go the 'GAY' path fine, but get the HELL out of the US Militay Uniform.
Homosexuals are no less capable of serving than heterosexuals, and those who have served directly in harms way have continuously reported that they do not care what orientation their fellows are, so long as they have each others' backs.
I have, and I won't. Deal with it!!
Yet another child's tantrum thrown.
You gonna hold your breath next?
Pathetic.
The on-going bigotry? Yeah I know. It's astonishingly pathetic that people are still embroiled in all the 19th century moralizing.
i salute to all the brave gay service men & women!!!
What about the staight ones. Do you salute them too. What about the ones who dont agree with the repeal of DADT or the wearing of the uniform that so many of our brothers have died in to further your political agenda. It seems that you are just fine with ignoring more than 200,000 servicemembers who disagree with you in favor of 200 who do. Not much of a salute if you ask me.
The silly little maggots are a disgrace to the uniform if they are flaunting it in this way, for this reason. SErve, wear the uniform prodly in service to your country, but don't try to use it for political support of a deviant-life-style.
What do you think they are doing? Do you not think that expressions of pro-equality are part of the very core of this country? What do you think they are fighting for and protecting as members of the military?
Well, it looks like they are going to wear their uniforms to a gay pride parade. Which has nothing to do with national security, but definitely creates headlines. I couldn't do anything other than serve in my uniform. Why now is it ok for a bunch of service members to flaunt the fact that they are gay and march down the street. To me, that just feels like a "nanny nanny boo boo". You got DADT!! Your in guys/gals!! No need to push it. Just do your job. If the situation wasn't so controversial, it wouldn't be here for everyone to cry about.
@Cullheath: In this parade, they are wearing the uniform to advertise their sexual preference DUH! Didn't you read the article?? That's why most people are upset about this. The uniform should not be used for this purpose. If the gays in the military wanted to march, they should have done it in civilian clothes. Not used the uniform to promote their sexual preference. The uniform should not be used that way. Or better yet, insulted that way. It's not to be used as a "banner".
Except you can be straight, wear the uniform, and march in support as well. You're not required to be homosexual to march, merely support equality.
At least everybody knows by now that the ONLY decent institution in the entire United States of America is the Boys Scouts. They do not accept transexuals, transvestites, lesbians, gays, animal lovers, or any person with sexual aberrations.
So sad that such a great organization has publicly espoused bigotry. And I speak as the parent of a former Boy Scout and a daughter who was in the co-ed branch of the BSA. If my children were younger, we would have to take them out of the Scouts.
My kids were also in scouting in Canada and Australia. They don't care if one is gay, one is atheist, or supports the Queen as their head of state or not. You can say a modified oath at ceremonies. All they care about is one's ACTIONS. That is how it should be.
It's not about bigotry. I wouldn't approve of a 45-year-old heterosexual male spending a weekend camping with young girls, nor would I approve of a 45-year-old homosexual male spending the weekend camping with young boys.
It is common sense and appropriate behavior.
Why is it liberals think one standard is okay for heterosexuals, but try to apply it to homosexuals and you're a hate-monger and bigot?
and you are such the expert on such things.
They do however overlook the proven fact that pedophiles target organizations like the BSA and are rarely spotted until it's too late. Pedophiles strive to fit in to the main stream and be pillars of the community they are not your preconceived notion of some deviant queer. Wise up.
Jerry Sandusky - married, heterosexual family man & a pillar in the community. The Boy Scouts would have accepted him in a heartbeat.
Kind, caring den mother who the scouts adored, & just happens to be a lesbian. No way.
Yeah, makes sense. Hate & bigotry are such noble qualities.
Only straight pedophiles need apply.
you know what LJ, my daddy once told me that a mule would be good and gentle for years waiting for the opportunity to kick it's owner good and hard just once. Pedophiles will modify their behavior in the same manner, but when the ducks are all lined up they will pounce. No one had a clue.
Yet, almost every single pedophile is a heterosexual.
You have no idea what you're talking about, yet have the "balls" to call others bigots.
Why is it that you're commenting when you don't even know the difference between a homosexual and a pedophile? Just slap whatever label you want on a homosexual to make you feel better about hating what you have no clue about, correct?
Guess all those priests were gay then? More like sexually repressed heterosexuals preying on the weak.
Homesick Yank:
The BSA's position on homosexuality has not changed since its founding. If they are "espousing bigotry", they have been doing it for the past 102 years. And yet you still consider them a "great organization". But I agree, only a great organization could maintain their founding values for so long without comprimising despite what the popular beliefs are.
Homesick Yank,
Please by all means, GO HOME!
Spicy Bluto, and it seems he liked.....boys. he pretended str8t but queer to the bone.
That's an interesting analogy, never heard it before. But I'll agree to its premise: people will do whatever it takes to acquire what they want, even pretending to be something else.
What nearly every person who mentions pedophiles forgets is that they are attracted to age, not gender, and 90% of child molestations in 2001 were males molesting females.
Boy Scouts of America has my vote. They are the only group with the fortitude to stand up against these liberal hypocrytes
Wrong article, disbeliever.
@disbeliever---: I agree with you 100 percent. BSA deserves an award for sticking to its moral code. It's the only organization that I am aware of that stands by what it believes is right for the young people it works with. They just don't tolerate, nor do they accept homosexuality. I applaud their stand and the work they do with the young. A lot of respect is going their way for standing up to their beliefs and a strong moral code which is getting very rare in this country--unfortunately. This country's moral code is getting to the point it is about as equal to a pedophile convention!! The BSA gives us hope. At least when parents send their kids off with the BSA, they have no fears.
Sure, if homophobia, ignorance, and bigotry are part of your "moral code".
Apparently you are not aware of the sexual abuse committed by scoutmasters and other personnel that the BSA covered up for years. Still have "no fears" about sending your kids off with the BSA?
If you are in the military, you should be able to wear your uniform no matter where you go. I just wish that they would go back to not wearing camouflage or fatigues when in public, I liked the look of the WWII era non-combat uniforms...
Back under yet another screen name posting homophobic crap.
"Ex-Gay Says Homosexuality Caused By His Emotional Trauma Starting at Age 6:" <---- So one person was abused as a child, so by that logic all gay people were abused as children? If one ex-Christian writes a book saying he became Christian because of hate, does that mean all Christians are so out of hate? No. Because a single person's experience does not mean everyone with a shared characteristic had to acquire that characteristic from a similar experience.
TrueLBGT, stop reregging. You have been banned countless times.
People, just report him.
helping gay healing banned, rereg of comment spammer TrueLGBT. Multiple Truth and Healing also banned.
You wear your uniform in accordance with the regulations pertaining to its wear. It is not up to the individual to determine where and when it can be worn or how it can be worn. The rules dictate the occasions it cannot be worn on. That is not an individual decision. You don't get to pick and choose. Normally, those occasions are kept in good taste. This one, however, goes completely the other way. This is a disgrace pure and simple. There is no other way to put it.
"....provided service members participate in their personal capacity...."
eh? When in uniform, servicemen are not acting in a personal capacity, but rather, they are representing their particular branch of military in the United Staes of America. To say that they can wear their uniforms as long as they act indipendently is an oxymoron. They are not truly allowed to act in a "personal capacity" while in uniform; They are always guided by military standards while wearing their uniform and can be prosecuted and even court martialed if their behavior is deemed unbefitting.
But I'll bet, if history continues in the path it has been travelling, those rules and regulations will now only apply to heterosexuals in uniform.
Bravo....finally, someone with true knowledge on Military Code of Code.
Someone with true knowledge of deep seated bigotry too. Ginger is a real peach.
Sorry for the typo....I meant Military Code of Conduct or better yet UCMJ.
Ginger, I whole heartedly agree. I my day the damn queers new that they had better keep their mouths shut or there would be hell to pay. I don't want the queer degenerates in a fox hole with me.
"I don't want the queer degenerates in a fox hole with me."
Hey Ken- Don't worry. The "queers" feel the same about bigots.
I find myself agreeing with Ginger's comments - I am not a bigot, I have no hate against homosexuals, and I certainly don't agree with some of the replies - calling people ''queers'' or other comments like that is simply unacceptable. People are who they are, and we are all the way we were made. I am 100% for equality.
However, equality has to be equal, and we have to be careful that while tying to be politically correct, that we keep that equality for everyone. If Ginger is accurate in saying "When in uniform, servicemen are not acting in a personal capacity, but rather, they are representing their particular branch of military", then it obviously follows that there is no way a person in uniform can be considered to be just 'acting in a personal capacity', which means this decision is an exception to long-standing military rules. If Ginger is correct and if military personal are supposed to not appear in uniform at protests or demonstrations or support rallies, then that rule should apply to all heterosexual and homosexual military personnel, appearing any any protest, demonstration or rally.
Again, I am NOT a bigot, I have no hatred in my body. Please don't marginalize or discard my comments by trying to simply 'label' me as a hater - because that truly is not the case. I'm just saying that if it is in fact a military policy that US military personal are not supposed to appear in uniform at any protests or demonstrations or rallies because they are always representing the military while in uniform, then that should apply to all personnel (heterosexual and homosexual), appearing any any protest, demonstration or rally.
Then this needs to be carried over into St. Patrick day parades or any type of local parade then. The only acceptable parades are Fourth of July and Memorial Day parades.
I think you are missing a giant point here folks. The repeal of DADT means that soldiers can now represent ALL Americans. For those that see gay parades as some Roman Holiday free for all need to get their heads out of the gutters. Yes there are some questionable portions, but honestly, it's mostly churches, families, and support groups that march. You only see the wild stuff because that's what makes the news. By those standards, all Christians are like Fred Phelps and all Republicans are hateful and think Obama is a Muslim.
Do you not see the positive of a soldier in uniform and the dignity they have and how that could possibly influence a young person to believe that they can be a real American and serve their country?
Yes rossj, I do see that. Its very positive for a young person, possibly confused and scared about how they feel, to see that people of all walks of life can be very successful and have 'main stream' careers, regardless of their sexuality.
Plus, I greatly appreciate anyone who chooses to join the military, and to defend our freedoms, at the possible risk or their own lives. It's amazing to me, and I'm honored to have anyone do that, regardless of who they happen to be attracted to in their private lives. Unless folks are having sex while they are on the job, what they do in their private sex lives is of no interest to me, and it's really 180 degrees from the point. People's sexuality frankly should be a total non-issue, so repealing DADT is a good step, but we really should be totally forgetting about sexuality and forgetting about DADT and just simply getting on with the job of our military protecting our freedoms, regardless of who they are attracted to.
However, that all being said - if the policy actually is currently that all personnel in uniform are always considered to be representing the Military while in uniform, and if they are actually therefor prohibited from making political statements, or from attaching themselves to a cause or a demonstration or protest while in uniform, then that policy should cover homosexual military personnel at a gay pride parade, just like it should cover other military personnel protesting at a pro-life rally outside an abortion clinic, or some white-supremacist military personnel at a KKK march, or someone at an anti-fur protest, or a nuclear-power protest, or any other controversial demonstration.
Either that, or the policy itself needs to be changed, so that all military personnel can wear their uniforms whenever they feel like it, and can participate in whatever activity they feel like, all the time. Again, I have zero problem at all with all people (straight/gay/whatever) serving equally and openly in the military. However, it's not equality if this is an exception JUST for homosexual military personnel at a gay pride parade. The same policy needs to apply for all personnel in all similar situations.
Being "politically correct" does not necessarily mean being political disingenuous or politically wrong or just politically fashionable to suit some transient social fad...though it can mean those things and I get your point.
That assessment breaks down when when a military appearance is used for national holidays and military planes do fly overs for football games or other major public events.
I see cherry picking going on by moral conservatives when it comes to military presence at gay parades.
Let me ask this: What is the harm of serving men and women showing up in uniform at these events...outside of possibly not sticking to the letter of the law in terms of military policy? And considering that permission was granted for these appearances by the military itself, what are people upset about?
Culheath, do you attend these parades with your butt cheeks hanging out? From what I understand and the media shows, most of these parades are pretty disgusting.
Ken, you've been reported for the use of gay slurs and threats. Newsvine does not permit these sorts of comments.
Todd,
Pride parades encompass everyone. There are Republicans and Democrats. There are Christian, pagan, and atheists. There are straight and gay. There is every walk of life that marches in these parades. It's about as American as it gets representing everyone. It's only political in nature because some see it as political but in reality, these parades are about celebrating unity and diversity not about making a political statement.
Very sad day for anyone who has ever served.
I have served. I am gay. I would serve again even to protect you while you hate me.
We don't care if you are gay, do you care if we are straight? The military is a whole bigger sacrifice than someone's sexual preference. Give it the attention it needs in some other forum.
LJ_51
I bet the Iraqis did rape you, and you enjoyed every bit of it.
Well Sheila, when I was in the service some folks did care that I was gay and they made sure i was punished for it.
I don't care if your are straight, you are a fellow human being, an American just like me. If you cannot understand what it feels like to be trumped out of the military simply for being a lesbian then of course we will not agree on this issue.
You have a right to your views as do I.
Midnight- REALLY?!!!! What kind of person says that?! You are a disgrace, a bigot, and a bully. That is the single most rude thing I have EVER heard someone say. How do you sleep at night? Our soldiers have protected us AND you, the LEAST they deserve is respect.
But LJ, then you would know that the military has forbidden the use of the military uniform for political and religious rallies in the past. Can you explain why that's suddenly okay, now?
I'd guess that it's because the DoD knows that if they followed their typically accepted rule-book, they'd have a host of angry pro-gay rights advocates claiming that they're still resisting the repeal of DADT. They're going to "lose" either way.
LJ-51,
Do you know what the term 'FRAG' means... I think most soldiers would rather have your weapons, than you, in the fox hole with them.
Lets see, the Olympics can cheapen the uniforms by having them made in China, but this really stinks that a small segment of our society can wear the military uniforms in gay parades. Talk about cheapening the sacrice to promote an angenda.
First of all, Sheila: Someone would have to teach an American how to sew and then start up a domestic clothing manufacturer in order to produce uniforms in the US. So, all of you whining, outraged @!$%#s complaining about Chinese made clothing need to purge your own closets and your faux outrage.
Secondly: You might want to learn to spell your own language better than the Chinese. Because, right now I'm a bit worried that you may be suffering from angina due to lugging a big sack of rice.
helping gay healing
Seek help for your obsession. You have a mental problem and are objectifying and projecting it on others in order to avoid owning it.
I won't even try to counter your arguments because they are quite old and have been extensively debunked and found to be rooted in a homophobic hysteria.
There are professionals who can debrief you and help you escape the "cult" like thinking you are engaged in
TrueLGBT, stop reregging. You've been reported again.
For all those saying that this is a political statement, I actually agree with you. But how about the St Patrick's day parades? How about the Thanksgiving Day parades? Christmas? and as someone stated earlier, how about our newer holiday, MLT day? All of these events are as political as Gay Pride.
Coming out and showing pride in who you are and in what you have and are doing is very important. Especially for an otherwise invisible minority. There are black folk that can pass as "white", there are Irish folk that can pass as "Mayflower white", there are Jewish folk that can pass as "gentile", there are Latinos that can pass "northern European". But why pass, deny your heritage, and give let credit for your accomplishments go to the people that have discriminated against you? LGBT people in these parades just want to come out of the closet and be recognized for their contributions to the world we live in.
We cook your food, deliver your babies, teach your children, repair your cars and plumbing, defend you in court, protect you on the street, write the songs that you sing, and fight for our country. Why should we have to pretend that we are straight? The answer is pretty sad. Some people want to pretend that we don't exist. Kind of like locking handicapped people in the attic because they are an embarrassment. Now there's a political statement.
Remember the days when women writers had to hide behind pseudonyms? Remember when black composers could not be credited for their own music? Remember were black baseball players had to pretend they were hispanic?
If Uniforms at a Pride parade is a political statement, then so is wearing a wedding ring. Holding your spouses hand, or carrying your children. Remember some of us can't legally do these things.
Some of us, (probably most, if not all of us) also remember growing up with out role models. That was very scary, and that is why so many LGBT kids are susceptible to bullying. That is why so many kids (and adults) bully. Kids need to know that others like them have made it, and that there is a positive place for them in the adult world.
For those who say "there should be a 'straight' pride" day, Well, just about every holiday we have is a "straight pride" day. Mother's and Father's day come to mind. I look forward with hope to the day when "pride days" aren't necessary, because everyone is and feels accepted.
You know, every sexual preference out there should be able to put on the uniform and wear it loud and proud. It just has absolutely nothing to do with American defense and needs to be put on the back burner. There is a time and place for everyone, but I really don't want to see a uniform that millions have died for promoting some persons sexual preference. There are just a whole lot more important things out there than what turns you on physically.
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Sheila, Sheila, Sheila,
Being gay/lesbian isn't a 'preference', it's how one is born. Your word choice makes it sounds like someone can be gay on Monday and Tuesday decide his 'preference' is for women. Not true.
I too respect the military and the uniform worn by veterans and active duty service members. How that uniform is cheapened by people being honest about who they love is beyond me - inclusiveness makes our country stronger, not weaker.
Oh, and if you think being gay/lesbian is about "what turns you on physically', you should do some research - gays and lesbians develop emotional, not just physical, attractions to people of the same sex. This isn't about sex, but love.
Well, Sheila, then this is your lucky day, because they aren't promoting their sexual preference. They are accepting and owning their sexual orientation and their military status at the same time. Sorry you are so offended by that, but maybe someday you'll develop a bit of openmindedness and gratitude for the gay and lesbian soldiers that proudly serve not just in our military, but in every walk of life.
maninja, the difference is that those holidays aren't really politically based. (Unless someone has a serious problem with the Irish or something... or Christmas. And who cares about them?) Gay rallies, like it or not, are still a controversial political issue. I don't care if gays serve in the military and want to march... fine by me. But the uniform is held to a different standard of neutrality and should never be used in political or religious rallies. I said the same thing for the Tea Party rallies and OWS, I'll say it for this, too.
Sheila,
It's not about mere sexual preference, it's about the core being of an individual and who they naturally want to to find love and companionship with. Soldiers died to protect the right of any individual, no matter their orientation on such matters to be able to do so freely without interference by anyone else or their government, no matter what the majority of people might think or feel about it.
That freedom is what is worth fighting and dying for.
And that is the statement being made by the appearance of the soldiers wearing their uniforms in a public display of supporting that notion of equality.
And soldiers were not allowed to wear their uniforms in any of those events...
Do you get it now?
The military gave them permission to march in the parade ...
Do you get it now?
culheath, you must still believe in the tooth fairy and easter bunny. Do really think our Military willing accepted gays? Are you so blinded by your agenda, as to believe that gays in the military are not a political statement? It is easy to see that you are 'look at me, I'm gay' person'.
Willingness is irrelevant. They accepted them and will now defend them and their rights as servicemembers. Since the DoD determined Pride Parades were an exception to the political rally policy (or that it didn't apply in the first place), that is the final decision on the matter.
Why are you assuming I am gay? And the military will act as it required to...service members personal attitudinal problems can be counseled but it is up to the individual to seek and find a mature social awareness in themselves. This is no more problematic than the stress period of racial integration. This too shall pass.
and when the racial integration happened, you still could not wear your uniform to civil rights movement led by MLK, that is the difference here!!!!!
all political rallies are to be void of military uniforms, period!!! DOD is advocating a double standard giving special treatment to the gay/lesbian agenda and that is WRONG!!!!
For all those saying that this is a political statement, I actually agree with you. But how about the St Patrick's day parades? How about the Thanksgiving Day parades? Christmas? and as someone stated earlier, how about our newer holiday, MLT day? All of these events are as political as Gay Pride.
Coming out and showing pride in who you are and in what you have and are doing is very important. Especially for an otherwise invisible minority. There are black folk that can pass as "white", there are Irish folk that can pass as "Mayflower white", there are Jewish folk that can pass as "gentile", there are Latinos that can pass "northern European". But why pass, deny your heritage, and let credit for your accomplishments go to people that have discriminated against you? LGBT people in these parades just want to come out of the closet and be recognized for their contributions to the world we live in.
We cook your food, deliver your babies, teach your children, repair your cars and plumbing, defend you in court, protect you on the street, write the songs that you sing, and fight for our country. Why should we have to pretend that we are straight? The answer is pretty sad. Some people want to pretend that we don't exist. Kind of like locking handicapped people in the attic because they are an embarrassment. Now there's a political statement.
Remember the days when women writers had to hide behind pseudonyms? Remember when black composers could not be credited for their own music? Remember were black baseball players had to pretend they were hispanic?
If Uniforms at a Pride parade is a political statement, then so is wearing a wedding ring. Holding your spouses hand, or carrying your children. Remember some of us can't legally do these things.
Some of us, (probably most, if not all of us) also remember growing up with out role models. That was very scary, and that is why so many LGBT kids are susceptible to bullying. That is why so many kids (and adults) bully. Kids need to know that others like them have made it, and that there is a positive place for them in the adult world.
For those who say "there should be a 'straight' pride" day, Well, just about every holiday we have is a "straight pride" day. Mother's and Father's day come to mind. I look forward with hope to the day when "pride days" aren't necessary, because everyone is and feels accepted.
I agree with you, and nobody should attend those parades in uniform either. If you aren't at work or serving an official military function then you should not be there in uniform. When I was in the marines, we couldn't even stop to pick up groceries at the store on the way home in our work uniform. Be proud, go to the parade, serve your country but there is a time and a place for everything. The only time one person from a unit should be in uniform is if the entire unit is there participating in uniform.
Sorry about the double post, I'm new at this.
Not a problem...it will happen even when you are experienced at this. :)
Have to say, (retired military), that someone truly proud of their uniform and their service would not wear it to such an event. Support whatever you'd like, but don't make it a spectacle at the expense of the military.
You have to give a little space here. Finally gay people in the military can be proud to be themselves and have the honorable privilege of serving their country. It is a momentous occasion and should be noted.
I am a veteran and loved my job in the service of my country. Then some fellow got mad at me because i would not sleep with him. He turned me in for being gay and that was the end of my career in a job I dearly loved.
How is that fair?
I agree wholeheartedly. Can't this be the ultimate bond, that you were willing to lay down your life for your country, without bringing a whole mess of side agendas into it?
I just don't get the pc crowd.
I can't say one guy sticking his d*&k in another guys a$$ is normal.
Nothing to be proud of in my world. But then again, I atend to be normal.
Tired of having to listen to homosexuals (yeah I said it instaed of gay/lesbo) telling me I need to think of it as normal.
It ain't DUDE, Do what you want but don't tell me I have to believe it is normal.
That is some f'd up sheat
LJ, it's been in the news everywhere. The majority of us just couldn't care less if someone is gay or not. I'm sorry that your service ended for something as trivial and completely unfair as it did. However, anyone in the military needs to recognize that there is a time and place for everything. Want to attend the changing of the guard at the Tomb of the Unknown soldier? Go ahead, at least it's in perspective. Want to attend ANY parade at all, then it needs the whole unit there as a function in uniform or you need to show better judgement. The only exceptions could be those military related such as memorial day, and even then I would have never done it while in the military. If we vets and service members don't show the uniform any respect, then who will?
Yet a man sticking it in a woman's is normal? Or how about when a woman takes a strap-on and...well lets keep it PG.
Regardless, "normal" is a subjective qualifier and determined by each individual. As such, it is irrelevant.
commonsensedude-1080861
Yet another "normal" homophobe heard from
sarah at what age do queers think children can be used for your unuseual sex practices? at a school i know a lady gym teacher was dismissed because she had introduced 14 young girls to her unuseual sexual practices, I think she robed them of haveing there own children, and a loveing famile.I cant belive anything good about this can ever be realized. if there is keep it to yourself. if its as great as you seem to belive why share it?
Why not ask the catholic church? They've got more experience.
You are mistaking pedophiles for homosexuals. Pedophiles are attracted to age more than gender. Homosexuals are attracted to gender and they are based in following the laws of legal consent (age, ability).
Gay military members, allowed to march in the gay parade in uniform. Gay marriages taking place on military bases. Heres a double standard for you, if a straight service member appeared at any other event in uniform, they would be subjected to UCMJ. Now why should one group based off their sexual preference, get away with it and not another. I think we need to end all the rules like chewing gum in uniform, smoking, putting hands in pockets. If the uniform can support two men fu*king, then it can support all the other sh*t. Allow the soldiers to attend Political events in uniform.
You are seriously obtuse if you think a pride parade is a political event. Homosexuality is an inborn trait just like skin color. There are LGBT members across every political spectrum. Just because you have a problem with it does not make it a political event. If it is a political event please tell me what candidate they are endorsing and provide the link to said endorsement.
What about Pedophilia? Is that an inborn trait like skin color. If not, why. What diferentiates it from homosexuality?
Pedophilia is a mental illness. They (pedophiles) make an conscious choice to engage in a behavior that has a detrimental effect to the well-being of the child (victim). There is a victim in this situation who cannot give consent. It is about control and not sexual attraction. Attempting to draw parallels between homosexuality and pedophilia is completely ridiculous and a glaringly obvious statement that you cannot defend your position of bigotry.
ive asked it before and ill ask it again...
if homosexuality is a normal physical trait, then why is it that homosexuals cannot procreate?
Your question is pointless because they can and do. Gay orientation has less to do with sex than with who they find emotionally compatible and attractive as a mate.
The question you should be probing is : "Why does people of the same sex wanting to love one another bother me?"
Being Gay is as much a 'Mental Illness' as is 'Pedophilia'... If you can be born 'Gay' then you can be born a 'Pedophile'... There is 'No' real argument except for doctors still playing around with the brain and giving opinions.
Pedophilia is an attraction to age. Can one be a pedophile at age 8? No, they are both minors, legally it is not pedophilia (though in some states it can be illegal, it is not termed pedophilia).
As such, pedophilia is a developed attraction based upon age of consent laws. Is a 75 yr old man a pedophile if he has sex with an 18 yr old woman? No, regardless of the age difference. However, if she was 17 (depending on state), he would be guilty of soliciting a minor. What's more, if he purposefully sought out only those under the state's age of consent line, he would be a pedophile.
Allswell,
You did not get my drift. Gay, is a mental illness regardless of how you and others try to color it. Rapist, are born by your standards, yes there have been pre-teen rapist. Wanting to be with the same sex and only the same sex person as a love and sexual interest, is a mental illness. Doctors still playing with the brain and dna have not conclusively figured it out. But it hasn't been found in the dna, it is as I said, a "Mental Illness"...
Allswell,
I get your drift perfectly.
Saying a thing does not make it so. What's your reason for saying that?
Now you've just gone completely off the rails... there is no connection at between gays and rapists, just as there is no connection between pedophiles and gays. It's like saying "Joe hates dogs" and you leap to "Joe hates animals". It's horrible logic and stinkin' thinkin'.
Mental illness is defined by the APA, and homosexuality is not.
Rape is solely defined by lack of consent. Therefore everyone is born the potential to be a rapist, cause all it takes is a single sexual partner to not consent (or be legally able to).
Inconclusive. Evidence of genetic bias has been found, even if a single gene has not. Genetics is not solely about single genes, but also about the interactions of multiple genes and their arrangements.
Legal consent!
What does procreation have to do with anything? Besides, homosexuality does have certain evolutionary benefits for a society.
Care to cite the scientific study to back that claim up? Or are you just spewing baseless opinion? BTW, the APA disagrees with you!
Ah yes, the "gay gene" as you imply. So tell me, where is the "straight gene?"
Gay Pride parades have been political events from the beginning because it was a political protest against the government not recognizing gays rights. Being about civil rights makes it a political event. Just because gays are now allowed to serve openly does not change the fact that this event is indeed a political event. But guess what? The outragous conduct at these vents does nothing to improve the manner in which the public at large sees the gay community.
Rules should apply to all. Why allow one group break them? I think they should issue a pink gay ribbon for the uniform.
we have lost the morals in the USA. an now we disgrace the military. Now the uniform is a disgrace. And we have fags on parade. I hope they don't make straight military participate in this. it may be against there beliefs.
Oh for crying out loud Duwayne, nobody is going to make heterosexual service members march in gay parades. Get a grip son, I mean really.
Many many gays have served quietly and proudly worn the uniform. It is not a disgrace to be an honest person.
However, your choice of adjectives indicate that you really don't give a Foghorn about that.
That path to enlightenment is wasted on the ignorant.
Who left you in charge of morals? DUwayne. Sounds like a black name to me. You know how many people would take you to task for your morals for being black?
Stop judging people or you're the next to judged.
YOU have TWO NBC accounts.
and gained sound ethics in their stead.
"Do unto other as you have them do unto you" is an ethical consideration not, a moral one.
Good! It will make it easier to get rid of the sicko's. No place in society and certianly none in the military. Anyone say, blanket party! Hurt 'em bad.
Ah we have a self prescribed gay basher in our midst. Tell me Darrell, do you prefer Spruce bats or metal ones.
maybe young Darrell, you're the one who shot those two young girls in Texas. They were lesbians you know.
Did you just happen to be walking in the park with that high caliber rifle or did you know they were there?
I saw the Rangers sketch of your likeness described by the one girl that survived. You look like a Darrell.
How does it feel to be stereotyped?
sicko? That is much too strong of a word. Whether you like it or not, there IS a place in society. However, there is a fast diminishing place for judgmental people like yourself.
So Darrell, since it's OK to hurt people that you don't like - would it be OK for my Gay azz to blow up a bus full of Straights (like the Jewish bus in Bulgaria); remember Y O U said "Hurt 'em bad".
And if you remember "Full Metal Jacket" (I believe it was) after the "Blanket Party" - as soon as Ol' Boy was able to get his hands on an Automatic Weapon, he blew a LOT of folks away.
You're the sick one pal! I'd like to know how you think you could kick somebody's butt that's stronger and in better shape than you? You just don't get it do ya? Gays take better care of themselves than you ever will. Most gay guys would stomp you into the ground and spit on you.
Duwayne and Darrell are the SAME PERSON!
everyone says @!$%# like this, ive never met a gay guy who could fight, and our military hand to hand combat is second rate at basic level so youre not gonna tell me that because a gay guy is a marine, that means hede whoop my ass. and just because someones in good shape, doesnt make them a good fighter. if YOU knew how to fight, you would know this, but im assuming that you dont and thats why you resort to comments like the one you posted to compensate for cowardice in the present form.
Mike,
No, he Murdered the Sgt. and then killed himself and it was a semi-auto rifle.
How did we finally come to this. Thank you for nothing Obama and Biden. Guess what you got the gays vote. But you can not become a winner when you go against God. Of course Obama you have pretty well proven who you believe in and we know who it is. Well I hope they hug and kiss and make out in this parade with there uniforms on. You have just down graded and disgraced the military and the uniform that I so proudly wore for many many years. Obama you are a disgrace to the United States of America. Obama you disgrace the act of marriage. To bad your wife and kids do not divorce you. Maybe she will come November. We can only hope. Especially when you change residence to some other country.
Obama isn't great, I'll agree with that 100%. But going against God? I guess you don't know Him well. God is love and loves his children all the same, no matter what "sin" we all do in our lives. Don't put yourself above homosexuals because of their attraction- God sees sin all the same, whether it be stealing or cheating or sex before marriage.
Extrenely well said and I agree 100%! Semper Fi!
You ignorant A**hole! God made gays and lesbians and YOU decide to judge them? Wow, that's just total ignorance and hate on your part. You were probably raised in the South I imagine. It doesn't matter 'cause people like you are few and dying out. Hopefully you're single so you won't reproduce those horribly bigoted thoughts.
If a service member is gay/straight/black/Hispanic/Korean is just doesn't matter. Get over your self-obsession!
Why are you the only one I've seen using a real name? You are a freako!
It's a matter of extremes, CAT. Some people read the "love everybody" part in the Bible and take it so far that they forget what's sin, and other's read the "homosexuality is wrong" part in the Bible and take that so far that they forget to love. Truth be told, neither of you are completely correct.
Holy crap! Aren't you the pot calling the kettle "black".
conservatives are trash,
You've been reported for violating the CoH. Don't stoop to such a level.
What I've read from this clown the stooping wouldn't cover much distance. It's amazing how tolerant MSNBS is with conservative bashing and profanity. I guess I just need to consider the source.
I didn't realize god was considered for the presidential nomination.
He has the right to believe in whomever or whatever he wants.
Is that any way to show your commander-in-chief respect? Looks like you show disrespect for your CiC, and by extension, your uniform!
How does gay marriage affect marriage in general?