Witnesses react online to 'Dark Knight' theater shooting

In the wake of the Aurora, Colo. "Batman Rises" theater shooting tragedy, social networks are flooded with posts from victims, friends, relatives, witnesses and other observers. Here is what they are saying — and seeing:

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i never heard about the suspects apartment being booby trapped?? whats that about?

    Reply#1 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:10 PM EDT

    Evidently he rigged it to blow.....

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    #1.1 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:16 PM EDT

    Guns don't kill people, they just make it a whole lot easier.

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    #1.2 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:57 PM EDT
    Comment author avatarAK SabinExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Another left-wing nut job strikes again. This guy was an OWS tool who obviously wanted to strike out using the Bane methodology as depicted in the film. He was $90k in the hole with student loans and failing...badly. So, all the rest of you left-whinners out there, take a good look at your spawn.

      #1.3 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:42 PM EDT

      Put the TSA at all theaters so we can be safe (sarcasm)

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      #1.4 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:12 PM EDT

      This guy was an OWS tool

      Your source?

      So, all the rest of you left-whinners out there, take a good look at your spawn.

      What does this even mean?

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      #1.5 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:16 PM EDT

      Ak satin

      If this young man was angered over the "Bane" name you can thank right wing guru Rush for that. How small of you to bring your hatred here after this tragedy. You are Sick!

      • 1 vote
      #1.6 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:49 PM EDT

      You are a fool if you believe that!

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      #1.7 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:09 PM EDT
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      opionsrlikeummm

      It was in the main headline story here on MSNBC.

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      Reply#2 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:14 PM EDT

      I want to no how this guy got in through the emergency exit? he could not have acted alone if thats the case. And.. why were so many young kids at the viewing of such a violent movie? Just asking.

      My condolences to all the people injured or killed.

      THIS is why we need to ban assault rifles..they have no purpose but to kill alot of people...you dont need 120 bullets to kill a deer for god sakes..any idiot knows that...and I dont want to start hearing hear a bunch of crap from all you NRA guys. My dad is a member and we come from 5 generations of law enforcement and he thinks the same as me....the only purpose for these assault rifles is for killing alot of people real fast! Dont tell me they are necessary..unless you have pissed alot of people off ..and then its your own fault.

      This guy is just a idiot and needs to be put down by the same rifle he used on these poor people. Quickly and neat!

      Ok let the postings begin :P

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      Reply#3 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:32 PM EDT

      @Elaine: could be he busted through the emergency exit or it was part of a premeditated act he did earlier.

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      #3.1 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:11 PM EDT

      Look at a world without guns before guns where made was it a utopia of goodness. Think of the Vikings the Mongols and so many others the facts tell the truth even if only the police had guns how fast can they get there 5 mins 10 mins or in Detroits case 9 hours the physically strong would rule over the weak the young the old the women no offence and any one sick or not as strong as the bad group or one person that attacks them guns make the strong stronger but guns make the weak just as strong
      God made men but Guns make them equal

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      #3.2 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:14 PM EDT

      How are we going to defend ourselves from criminals with assault rifles without assault rifles of our own? Because even if they are "banned" there are still millions and millions out there that will never get confiscated...

      • 10 votes
      #3.3 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:42 PM EDT

      Yeah, cause if we ban assault rifles, no way would he be able to get one illegally, right?

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      #3.4 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:48 PM EDT

      What!?! Ban more weapons?

      One is retarded if you truly believe that will solve anything and shows the glorious lack of critical thinking. You can take away all the guns in the USA and they will still kill. Anybody with any sort of basic chemistry classes under the belt can make nerve gases with standard household products found in 99% of our homes among many other things everywhere!!!

      As an Army Vet I love to fire assault rifles and I have used other firearms that no civilian will ever have a chance to even touch in there entire lifetime thanks to crazy laws in place and less as times goes on as more items get banned. Its not fair for those of us that use it legally and really enjoy to shoot.

      Its the person behind the weapon that needs to be called into question, not the weapon/tool he/she is using. Rifles, weapons, cars, knifes, shovels, hammers, etc.... are mindless tools. Its the crazy nut job who wants to kill that is the threat. The whole gun ban argument is invalid however somehow it still rages among the idiots.....

      Oh some facts for you, the vast majority of crimes committed with weapons are committed by illegal gun-owners.

      Another fun fact for you, area's with higher legal gun-owners have statistical proof that crime levels are far lower in areas with strict anti firearms laws.

      Logic and Facts > Gut reaction and Stupidity

      • 7 votes
      #3.5 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:33 PM EDT

      here' s a fun fact, if that guy would have had a revolver in his hand instead of an assault weapon 11 of those 14 kids would still probably be alive. Now, you can raise the semantics that it isnt actually a FACT but conjecture but your statistical source will bear out that that killer would have had much less chance of killing that many people withoutthe weapon he had and this guy was a medical student who just flunked out. he wasnt a career felon. The reason they are dead today is the availabity of a weapon like that to anyone.

      Your suggestion that a hammer or shovel or a car or actually successfully creating a gas bomb that would explode and kill those people is a long shot.the critical thinking you accuse others of lacking, you seriously lack yourself.

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      #3.6 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:27 PM EDT

      @elaine:

      Read an article that the FBI said he brought a ticket and went in first time without weapons..then propped the exit door open slightly..left and can back with the weapons from the exit door.

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      #3.7 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:34 PM EDT

      Michael, he stopped to reload several times and no one did anything to stop him. So if he had used a revolver he still would have killed many people, just slower. Also look into speed loaders for revolvers.

      • 3 votes
      #3.8 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:10 PM EDT

      If he used a shot gun, he could take out numerous people with all the buck shot; wouldn't even need the "assault" weapon. Criminals and crazy people will always be able to get guns, somehow. More sane people need to carry. One good shot at the beginning from someone in the audience and he would have been done.

      • 2 votes
      #3.9 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:22 PM EDT

      Everybody thinks they are John Wayne with a pistol. The assailant was wearing full body armor: leg armor, groin armor, neck armor and a kevlar helmet. John Wayne also must shoot through the tear gas, which the armored assailant also was protected from. Further more once John Wayne #1 starts firing, how is John Wayne #2 supposed to know who the assailant is? When John Wayne #3 and #4 enter the picture, all we have is 5 shooters in a theatre, 4 of which are blind and choking.

      Yeah, everybody thinks they are John Wayne with a pistol.

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      #3.10 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:54 PM EDT

      Amminadab- it was a theater, dispersal rate of tear gas is not that great and only a small are would have been effected. (army experience). The body armor he was wearing does not stop most bullets, .22 at most since he was wearing flack material. Even IF it was able to stop the round, it would knock him on his ass. People like yourself like to think any gun wielding person is a complete idiot and will whip out firing like "john Wayne" when in fact they don't. Legal gun owners are well aware of the laws that govern the conceal carry what risked are involved when/if we have to pull our arms. Know what will happen when police arrive, what we are suppose to do when LE arrive, and proper rules of engagement. All things required to learn and test out before you can get a conceal carry. Your "John Wayne" would not happen and has not happened.

      Love sofa firearms professionals....

      Oh and Mike, where are your facts? A revolver is far more accurate!!! The guy never reloaded, dropped guns as he ran out. "Oh its so hard to load a revolver!!" BS, its called speed loaders, take the same time to reload. Fact. And the last line you are trying to dispell did not prove anything other than your own short sighted views without any logic. Sorry try again with facts.

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      #3.11 - Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:37 PM EDT
      Comment author avatarCelso Guzmanvia Facebook

      i agree.he kill 12 people including kids!!!

        #3.12 - Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:58 AM EDT

        Apparently, he sat for the beginning of the movie, left through the door and propped it open. Such a sick tragedy, guy deserves to be locked up for life.

          #3.13 - Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:21 AM EDT
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          This SOB needs to be put in front of a firing squad and shot!

          My heart goes out to the friends and families of the innocent victims.

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          Reply#4 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:39 PM EDT

          Surely you can get more creative than that? Over too quickly.

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          #4.1 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:25 PM EDT

          Doesnt need to be the head. He has extremities.

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          #4.2 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:54 PM EDT
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          I want to know why this guy started shooting everybody. I know he is insane, but even insane people have motivations for their actions. Was he mad at a specific person? Is he trying to send a message? Did he not like the message that the Batman movie was showing? I know that the plot of The Dark Knight Rises has become very politicized because of current events. I'm not trying to bring politics into this, however his actions may have been politically motivated.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#5 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:51 PM EDT

          He may have just wanted to get all the attention he is getting. To discourage more of these, the press should concentrate on the victims and not make the gunman the headline news where ever you go!

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          #5.1 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:01 PM EDT

          Just to clarify one thing. Assault rifles don't kill anyone. People , its the hands that hold the weapon and the decision they make makes them respond to what they do.

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          #5.2 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:40 PM EDT

          while that is true an assault rifle can rattle off 200 shells very quickly. The person could be taken down on a reload or because of his inability to spray shells all over the room in 3 seconds flat. That is the argument, not to stop anyone from owning a gun but if the sole purpose of a weapon is to kill many quickly, and there is no other purpose for it, why allow them?

          Let's take an extreme example. If we should all be able to carry guns then why not a tank? you should have the right to own and drive around a sherman tank if you want right? Free country. the problem is, there is no use for a tank other than to take over a city. And when a nut case gets ahold of one, the entire country sheriffs department cannot keep him from killing one of your kids.

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          #5.3 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:19 PM EDT

          Michael, you seem to have very incorrect ideas about what a legal "assault" rifle is. First of all, this guy purchased all of his weapons legally here in CO in May and June of this year (this has been confirmed by law enforcement and is a fact you can easily check up on). A legally issued AR-15 (which is the "assault" rifle the man used--again, a verified fact) is NOT an automatic weapon and has a clip that holds 15 bullets. It's possible that he purchased a 30 round clip (which is illegal in the city and county of Denver, so he would have had to have bought it elsewhere in the state/suburbs). Because these AR-15 ARE NOT automatics, you have to squeeze the trigger for EACH round to be fired. This is not a weapon that can "rattle off 200 shells" as you claim. A person shooting an AR-15 also cannot "spray shells all over the room in 3 seconds flat", as you assert. You watch way too many movies. The only reason these are even called "assault" rifles by the media and all the anti-gun folks (yourself included) is because there are automatic versions of the weapon (they're ILLEGAL by the way, and that's not what this shooter had) that release 2-3 bullets per trigger squeeze and any type of label that can make something sound worse than it is is right up your alley and that of the media. However, even the automatic versions are still limited to a 30 round clip at most. And just a reminder, because you seem to not understand this, automatic weapons are illegal and cannot be legally purchased. Since this guy's weapons were verified to have been purchased legally, it's pretty easy (for most of us) to see that HE DID NOT HAVE AN AUTOMATIC WEAPON.

          Your hyperbole and wild descriptive terms, coupled with your obvious lack of knowledge of firearms highlights exactly what is wrong with your ilk. You all go wild describing things (INCORRECTLY, I might add) and throw in a bunch of conjecture and dramatization (like your idea about "carrying" tanks). Try having a decent, educated argument that isn't full of inaccuracies and straw-man fallacies. You might find people won't dismiss your words so quickly.

          • 8 votes
          #5.4 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

          edited: double post

            #5.5 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:38 PM EDT

            Goldburg66

            Give it a Rest...please. No one is going to take your woo bee.oops I meant guns away. Get your shorts out of its wad and go polish your NRA badge. This is Not about You!

            • 1 vote
            #5.6 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:59 PM EDT
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            I think shooting him would be to easy for him. He needs his spinal cord severed so he is just a head laying there thinking about what he did.

            • 5 votes
            Reply#6 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:53 PM EDT

            You live by the gun, you die by the gun. One of the most honorable ways to die. Now they can move onto a better place, knowing they lived full lives, and died honorably.

              Reply#7 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:06 PM EDT

              Chirs: One of the most honorable ways to die. Now they can move onto a better place, knowing they lived full lives, and died honorably."

              The 6 year old will be most comforted "knowing she lived a full life" and "died honorably" "by a gun"? SERIOUSLY?

              • 7 votes
              #7.1 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:34 PM EDT

              I don't know about the afterlife, as I of course have not been. I do know the ones left behind would be comforted knowing the manner was honorable. There still would be the loss, I just feel some comfort could be sought.

                #7.2 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:46 PM EDT

                Phew, you kinda need to crawl back under your rock. An "honorable" way for a 6 year old to die? You, sir/madam are a moron.

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                #7.3 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:51 PM EDT

                A little common sense here please. Honor has nothing to do with age. People of any age can do honorable things. I don't know why you think that age has anything to do with honor?

                  #7.4 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:17 PM EDT

                  Now I gues that 6 year old, according to what you believe, will have 21 virgins at his disposal.

                  Your an idiot.

                    #7.5 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:30 PM EDT

                    In spite of what you think, I was just pointing out, that their death was honorable, not that I know what they will get in the afterlife. History shows us that many cultures had great respect for those who die in battle. This might not have been a war, but all those who have died, did so with great honor. An honor most of us will unfortunitly never know. If that does not bring comfort to the survivors, I don't know what will.

                    So really, who is the idiot? I know it's not me. I call them like they are.

                      #7.6 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:54 PM EDT

                      No, you are most definitely an idiot. How does being murdered while eating overpriced popcorn have anything to do with an honorable death? There is no honor in this situation whether you are the victim or the perpetrator. You really need to put down the bong and spend more time outside in the fresh air.

                        #7.7 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:30 PM EDT

                        I don't do drugs, though I can't speak for the people replying here. People these days would not know honor if it feel out of the sky and hit them on the hear. It is honorable because of the manner in which they died. Nothing to do with the popcorn. What are you thinking? To die in a hail of gunfire is honorable no matter what way you slice it. This is something most of us will never have the oppertunity to have happen to us. Oh well, you just don't get it, and that's fine with me.

                          #7.8 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:58 PM EDT

                          You're right....I don't get it, nobody could be as stupid as you profess to be by suggesting that being murdered by a lunatic is in any way an honorable way to die.....THERE'S NOTHING HONORABLE ABOUT BEING MURDERED!! I'm sure that all the people who died would much rather have their lives back then to have been "honorably" murdered by this wackjob.

                          Ya know, the thought just occurred to me that you must be a troll, just stirring up emotions by making blatantly foolish comments and I fell for it. At least I hope that's the case cuz if you really were to believe what you're saying than you deserve to be in the padded cell right next to the wackjob that created this tragedy. You should either be ashamed or committed and only you would know for sure.

                          Good riddance.

                            #7.9 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:46 PM EDT
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                            My heartfelt condolences to the all of victims and their families. This senseless tragedy should not have happened. My prayers are for you collectively. I must say though, when venomous hatred and crazy conspiracy theories are spewed on radio and television like Rush Limbaugh's radio broadcast, there is always someone that is willing to raise the ante, unfortunately. How many more people have to die by the hand of hatred. Despite our differences, we are all humans and it's time for us to embrace our differences as strengths as opposed to using our differences as weapons to harm one another.

                              Reply#8 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:15 PM EDT

                              It was nice to see Romney can read a typed speech. Reminds me of Bush. I listened to the context and kept thinking shouldn't a presidential candidate be able to say what this man is saying without a script and reading it verbatim?

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                              Reply#9 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:25 PM EDT

                              Give the guy a break. He is not an automaton, he is just a simple robot like the rest of us. Right?

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                              #9.1 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:32 PM EDT

                              Are you kidding??? Obama is the KING of scripts... He couldn't tell his own children to go to bed if it weren't written down...

                              • 3 votes
                              #9.2 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:46 PM EDT

                              Nothing that happened today is about politics. Even the canidates are giving it a break.

                              • 2 votes
                              #9.3 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:04 PM EDT

                              Why is Romney *making a statement* at all? He's not the president. He hasn't even been nominated yet & the way things are looking, might not be the nominee. I don't see a bunch of other *unemployed* folk getting to make statements to the press about nat'l tragedies. I don't see politicians elbowing ea other out of the way to issue a statement on this. Anything to get his face in front of a camera. Disgusting self-interest & nothing else. STFU.

                              • 1 vote
                              #9.4 - Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:35 PM EDT

                              Common Sense2004266???? I guess you have never seen Obama speak in public before? Obama ALWAYS has a speech written for him. Just saying, and now on to the victims, which is what we should be talking about.

                              I agree Super Sport 1966 and Mr Burns 100% with you.

                                #9.5 - Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:25 AM EDT
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                                its freekin insane that somone would do this but what scares me is what the media is going to do with it!

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                                Reply#10 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:32 PM EDT

                                I am telling you guys... there is definitely something wrong with our people.... we have everything but it s not enough! America is becoming a dangerous place... This is not the first time neither the last time! it s a shame.. we mind too much other countries business and we can t even fix our own problems here! it s a shame... we call other countries terrorist and we have real terrorism here in our own country.. it s a shame shame shame

                                • 6 votes
                                Reply#11 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:34 PM EDT

                                Yeah, the USA is much more dangerous than Mexico, right??

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                                #11.1 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:40 PM EDT

                                Get ready for more. Our system of capitalism has devalued the human life to the point that this type of occurance has become commonplace. Think about your priorities and your hypocritical way of justifying your own existance. I doubt most of you will ever get it but one thing you will understand is that there are more and more of these "crazies" going off all the time. Get used to it while you ignorantly ponder how someone could do something like this. You should all join the military, deploy to some other @!$%#ed up country, then come back here and just try not to be pissed off beyond all recognition. You will begin to understand that there is no reciprocity, no justice, etc. Just @!$%#ed up humans everywhere you go. I don't think these people are crazy at all. Whether they are military or not they are just pissed of beyond all recognition and have no hope for any type of salvation. When you believe you have nothing more to lose and have no hope or reason to live, and have a beef of some sort, what the hell do you ignorant @!$%#s think is going to happen next. Get ready for more, as if you don't know where this kind of behavior comes from. Your grandparents could tell you how this @!$%# comes to fruition. Gun arguments, give me a @!$%#ing break you stupid @!$%#s.

                                  #11.2 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:51 PM EDT
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                                  its insane that somone whould do somthing like this ,,,But what really scares me is what the media is going to do with it!!!!

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                                  Reply#12 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:37 PM EDT

                                  I think their should be a public hangging rite in the parking lot and charge admition if you wanna watch!!

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                                  Reply#13 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:44 PM EDT

                                  Agree with the hanging, but no admission - make it mandatory. Just maybe, some of the other insanes might get a little idea that this is not a fun way to die. Would it stop them? Who knows, couldn't hurt (well, hope it hurts him like H).

                                  By the way, does this animal look kind of "alternate"?

                                    #13.1 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:53 PM EDT

                                    where is the Taliban when you need them...they know how to handle situations like this! no court trial no waste of time.. take his So rry a s s to a stadium where every one can watch and shoot him in the leg first, arms and kill him slowly..

                                    that what I call the old western Soviet justice

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                                    #13.2 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:09 PM EDT
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                                    We live in a society where violence has become a form of 'entertainment.' People become desensitized to it. Why else would they be bringing their young children to a PG 13 movie? Sadly violence begets violence. Wake up people!

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                                    Reply#14 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:57 PM EDT

                                    ban guns for police and military use only its that simple, what the heck do average people need guns for we are not colonists anymore. but the only problem is there thousands in circulation... because of idiot law makers.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    Reply#15 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:00 PM EDT

                                    Our government will never ban guns because we use them for protection. Even if you ban guns, criminals will always find a way to get/make guns. Also, how do you expect a weak person to fend off a bunch of strong attackers?

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                                    #15.1 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:14 PM EDT

                                    @Vlad Manttari - I only wish it were that easy. Unfortunately, if laws were passed that banned all guns it would create an odd imbalance of power. The fact is that the only people who obey the laws of the land are the same good people that would not commit robbery or murder. In an anti-gun society the only people that would be armed would be the criminals and the government. Personally, I find that to be a terribly frightening thought. I know of countries where that type of an arrangement exists and many citizens live in terror. It's a sad truth that there is no real-world way to control criminals. It's also a fact that the police can't be there all of the time. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. In the old west, where criminals could ride into town to murder, steal, and destroy, the townsfolk realized that no law would ever stop the bad guys. So, instead they armed themselves. A criminals worst fear is an armed victim. Criminals thrive on the ability to overpower their victims. When a potential victim is as powerful as a criminal it becomes a deterrent. Criminals want weak victims. At the very least, if a criminal attempts something like this in an armed group, there is potential that someone could stop it. Sadly, as it was in this horrible situation in Aurora, the assailant continued to fire into a crowd of helpless individuals. They had no chance of fighting back and that's what the criminal wanted. I am licensed in 37 states to carry a firearm, but I rarely do. In my state it is required by law that each license holder receive training. Incidences like this one have me reconsidering my stance on daily carry of my firearm. I have been trained. I am a good shot. If I could stop a man like this and save lives at the cost of my own life, I would do it. It's my duty as a trained civilian and as a Christian man to protect and defend. Guns aren't the problem. If this man could not have obtained a gun, I'm sure he would have used one of a dozen other ways to kill and injure. He is deeply disturbed. We need to focus on the mental health of our society. We need to strengthen our moral base and focus on instilling our children with a stronger character, unfaltering integrity, and a deep appreciation for life. That is how we prevent things like this from happening. If you remove a weapon, the intent to harm will still persevere. However, remove the intent to harm and nothing will be used as a weapon.

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                                    #15.2 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:45 PM EDT

                                    Yes, ban them and nobody will find a way, ever again, to get them and use them on the weak and defenseless. Have you lost your mind? Sorry, I asked a rhetorical question there.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #15.3 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:46 PM EDT

                                    Great idea, I bet if we ban drugs, no one will get them either.

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                                    #15.4 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:51 PM EDT

                                    Guns are banned in the UK. Now they just have a high rate of knife attacks instead. And occasionally a criminal pops up w/ a gun anyway. If someone wants to commit mayhem, they'll find a weapon.

                                    Great idea, I bet if we ban drugs, no one will get them either.

                                    Mimi, you're slayin' me w/ that one LOL

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                                    #15.5 - Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:41 PM EDT
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                                    I think it is pretty clear in this case, if he had not used a gun he would have used a bomb....just as deadly...maybe even more so. People determind to hurt others will find a way. It is silly to blame the weapon.

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                                    Reply#16 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:06 PM EDT

                                    He would not have used a bomb, he would have used another KIND of gun. That is the point, not to ban guns but the idea that in the time frame of his bad mood, he was able to get ahold of a firearm that would kick out 200 shells in 30 seconds AND the power that these shells produce. Your more likely to survive a single 9 mm shot than a single shot from a high powered rifle. that's the issue. would 1, 2 or 3 people have died? Maybe, but not 14.

                                      #16.1 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:37 PM EDT

                                      Your lack of firearms knowledge is astounding Michael. The bullet he fired out of theAR-15 is of .223 caliber. That is not a high powered rifle round, but an intermidiate round. It is the standard issue caliber for the US military. It was chosen over bigger rounds because it's lighter so a soldier can carry more rounds by weight. The other reason it was chosen was that it does not produce enough energy to kill people with one shot. The idea behind this was that maiming an enemy soldier causes more soldiers to render aid, removing them from the fight. Your assertion that a 9mm does less damage than a .223 is flat out wrong. The shotgun he carried was probably the most effective killer out of his arsenal. With 00 buck shot you get nine .33 caliber steel balls per shell. Educate yourself before engaging in a debate next time.

                                        #16.2 - Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:51 PM EDT
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                                        Our hearts go out to all of the victims I blame all the politicians for allowing guns in this country you can buy a gun easier than buying a car now a days!!!!! Once again its all about money and lobbyist, didn't anyone learn anything with that shooting in Arizona with that congress woman. When will it be time to hold all these politicians accountable for horrific things that happen in this country instead they are rewarded with multiple pensions and benefits for the rest of there lives.

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                                        Reply#17 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:30 PM EDT

                                        Prayer and hanging are not going to solve our problems. We Americans are living with the result of gun worship and a society that expects INSTANT GRATIFICATION with as little work as possible. This kind of tragedy will continue to haunt us. I expect to see outcries from both sides of the gun issue. "Stop the sale and ownership of guns". "Everybody needs to own a gun and carry it at all times". The slaughter in Aurora is horrible, but can you imagine what it would have been like if ten or more people had started shooting back, in the the dark with choking tear gas? Yes indeed, we live a country where anyone has the the right to obtain the weapons to commit mass murder. WHAT A COUNTRY. Why are we spending a third of our budget on Defence? When more than half the county's citizens are armed and ready to pull the trigger.

                                          Reply#18 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:42 PM EDT

                                          While gun murders were down in NYC in 2010, there was a 50% increase in murders committed by knife. Look, this proves nothing except if someone wants to murder someone, the weapon of choice is irrelevant. If this maniac had decided to throw a bomb or poison gas in the theatre he could have killed many more people. He is deranged and we may or may not ever know his motivation.

                                          You will be just as dead if fatally shot by a pistol or hunting rifle as you will be with an automatic weapon. So the cry to ban assault rifles is simply a knee jerk reaction to a terrible and irrational act of a madman.

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                                          Reply#19 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:42 PM EDT

                                          uh wrong. He wouldnt have killed 14 people with a knife. Please, use your head. The argument isn't would he have killed 1 person, its the number of people he killed.

                                            #19.1 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:39 PM EDT

                                            Michael, please use your head and realize these weapons are not legal to kill people in a theater, but to protect ourselves from a police or miliary take over of the country. If a coward uses them to walk into a theater and kill unarmed people it is only his fault.

                                              #19.2 - Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:55 PM EDT
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                                              We live at a time when people have made it ok to demand to have it your way... no matter the harm to others, while at the same time reducing the options and opportunities for upward mobility. College kids with debt and no jobs because they have been outsourced, unemployed fathers without training support but with child support threatening them with jail. This mean spirted "let them eat cake" attitude of the 'haves" has created a WTF attitude among many disgruntled young people who are believing they have nothing to loose. The question is what makes a young man so angry and hopeless that he chooses suicide by police while destroying as much as possible in the process?

                                              I see this escallating as more and more confused and probably "unfathered" young men find themselves ecconomically castrated. Testosterone will find ways to make its mark on the world. He knows he will die... but he also knows he will never be forgotten... as he probably felt he had been before. When life is less appealing than doing this... we have a problem.

                                                Reply#21 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:48 PM EDT

                                                Yea, understandable. Well, the best way to give, is to forgive. I hope the families can work on that, and so can the public. Hopefully he will get the help he needs, and only need a light sentence.

                                                  #21.1 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:57 PM EDT
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                                                  Forget political trial justice.....this piece of garbage should be publicly tortured everyday for the rest of his life for all the other dumb asses out there that think of something as cowardly as this......send a message that it will not be tolerated in our society.....but instead the bleeding hearts will cry and wine and he will spend the rest of his days in a psych ward unable to stand trial .......enough with the cowards start capital punishment publicly viewed and send a message....

                                                    Reply#22 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:08 PM EDT

                                                    dont focus on the guns as much as the man's own mother saying "you have the right guy." what the heck is that? If you know someone is a threat they need to be taken off the street. How about the guy in Philly that attempts to abduct a 10 year old girl - Extensive criminal history in costa rico - accused os raping a family member last year - Out on the street attempting a kidnapping.

                                                    Criminals dont get rehabilitated - Time to stop letting people out, or lop some heads off and be done with the criminals - no more chances.

                                                      Reply#23 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:09 PM EDT

                                                      Rustyowls, this was a 24 year-old adult who lived in a different state than his mother and had no prior record. What was she supposed to do? Get him arrested for being a less than ideal son? I would rather hear her say "She wasn't surprised" than to hear her say, "My son wouldn't do this." She wasn't in denial about the events, for you to insinuate that there is anything she could have done is pretty baseless. We know nothing about her relationship with him yet and I strongly believe in tough love as a parent. It won't get through to everyone and some people are just beyond help. We need to stop placing blame on a million other factors just grasping sand for a cause. James Holmes is the cause and it isn't anyone elses fault. He did it, blame him. So you really think his mother 1,000 of miles away could stop him? Please. I'm sick of people saying that "we" are to blame also. Society isn't to blame, I am not to blame; humans are flawed and sometimes uncontrollable creatures.

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                                                      #23.1 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:25 PM EDT
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                                                      Maybe I'm getting to be an "Old Fogie" here...but it kinda bugged me
                                                      that this story indicated that children under 14 years old were in this
                                                      theatre. a 4-month old? Are you parents NUTS? This is the "The Dark Knight"!

                                                      A violence-laden shoot-em-up two-and-a-half hour movie...WHAT WERE THEY THINKING
                                                      when They ("the loosely-named parents") bring a BABY into an adult-oriented film?

                                                      Our prayers are with the victims...but I think that our modern society ALSO NEEDS
                                                      to take a DEEP look inside itself as to WHY a neuroscience student felt so much rage
                                                      and pressure that he has to arm himself to the teeth and blast away in a public forum.

                                                      The shooter's demeanor afterward indicated pure cold calculation and an internal satisfaction
                                                      at his deed...this is NOT the mark of a mentally ill person...it means the shooter FELT so
                                                      subjugated and so frustrated at this dog-eat-dog society that R-E-V-E-N-G-E became the
                                                      only motive and only desire.

                                                      I am afraid we have become a society of malevolent machines, robotically going about
                                                      our days, unthinking and uncaring of our fellow man. A dastardly deed has been done,
                                                      but now I ask the American Public to look deep within itself and THINK about the now
                                                      obvious repercussions of it's highly competitive, No-Holds-Barred, Winning-Is-The-ONLY-Thing
                                                      attitude.

                                                      Poke a wounded beast enough times and it'll eventually go into
                                                      an out-of-control rage striking out at everyone and everything!

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                                                      Reply#24 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:56 PM EDT

                                                      If he used a shot gun, he could take out numerous people with all the buck shot; wouldn't even need the "assault" weapon. Criminals and crazy people will always be able to get guns, somehow. More sane people need to carry. One good shot at the beginning from someone in the audience and he would have been done.

                                                        Reply#25 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:28 PM EDT

                                                        Everybody thinks they are John Wayne with a pistol. The assailant was wearing full body armor: leg armor, groin armor, neck armor and a kevlar helmet. John Wayne also must shoot through the tear gas, which the armored assailant also was protected from. Further more once John Wayne #1 starts firing, how is John Wayne #2 supposed to know who the assailant is? When John Wayne #3 and #4 enter the picture, all we have is 5 shooters in a theatre, 4 of which are blind and choking.

                                                        Yeah, everybody thinks they are John Wayne with a pistol.

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                                                        #25.1 - Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:06 PM EDT
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