you should be a little more sensible to the situation and keep your itch for "news" at bay these days maybe?

just saying.

Where do you get this crap? Obviously fox news, fair and balanced. right.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was a terrorist attack.

Oh yeah, I'll reply. Dateline tonight used this story to try to blame gun sales people. Wow, really? The psycho couldn't get a knife or explosives? (Oh wait, he did!) Oh well. I will never watch Dateline again. I'm done with these media outlets trying to push their own agendas and try to make us feel like the perp is a victim. Screw You Dateline. GTH

Meanwhile NBC is pushing another story you cant comment on called "Gun Control Debate Revived" like it is some kind of news that they themselves are not making by running 4+ stories a day on the theater shooting. Are they going to run multiple new memorial stories for the 11+ dead in Texas in the car wreck every day for a week? Oh no agenda there, the car companies are in bed with them. There are tragedies every day, the biggest one is the propaganda outlets like NBC shaping public policy and law with yellow hyperbole journalism.

your right hot foot - they are beating a dead horse on this the 2nd amendment its here to stay . if you liberals don't like it move to Mexico they outlawed guns and you see how only the criminals have them and they use them daily

You must be below 30 years of age, sorry the internet failed you in your quest to have this wrapped up by Monday morning. Sometimes wars, investigations, college degrees and even some video games take more than a few days to be finished.

"Unable are the loved to die, for love is immortality." --Emily Browning

To Everyone In Colorado:

Despite the blame, fingerpointing, and attempts to blame everything and everyone for this you see on this newsfeed, please be assured that the hearts of our nation are with you, and our President spoke for all of us when he offered the nation's condolences. Celebrate the lives of those who died; remember the good, not the bad; try to find wisdom and forgiveness for the shooter in your hearts so that when you eventually cross that rainbow bridge to meet your loved ones on the other side, there will be no negativity maring that reunion.

OKAY, ENOUGH!

I'm quite sure other things have happened in the world since Friday. Let these people grieve in peace and shut up about this.

"Fear of a name only increases fear of the thing itself". So is he now going to be "He Who Must Not Be Named" or "You-Know-Who"?

This guy is not stupid. You don't have to call him by name for him to know who the media is referring to, he will still get off on how many times they talk about all the people he killed and wounded so they might just as well say his name.

That said, I do agree that we should allow the families and friends to mourn without having them in the spotlight 24/7 and, by default, JAMES HOLMES who is probably laughing with Joker-like glee every time they mention the shooting in any way, including, sadly, this very post.

The dead are gone, they no longer have to deal with the problems of the world. The families of the dead and the victims still alive (and their families) are the ones who NEED attention; they are the ones who left to deal with the pain and life altering changes. I am not referring to the news media, but to the people in the area who are willing to step up and help them.

Law enforcement and mental health professionals need to look at the twisted individual who did this and try to figure out if there is anything to learn about his behavior leading up to the horrible acts he committed.

We need laws forbidding the sale of assault rifles and semi-automatic hand guns to private individuals; they are designed to do only one thing and that is kill as many people as possible before they have to stop and reload. They are not for self-defense or hunting. Only law enforcement and the armed forces need them. Too many tragedies play out from the use of them in criminal acts. We also need tighter laws about who can purchase guns and a database of who purchases them. I know the NRA and gun manufacturers won't like this; but even if it saves the life of only one individual, it would be worth it...especially if that one person was you or someone you loved.

Tragic event, my thoughts go to the families. Unfortunately this theatre was a "gun free" zone and didn't allow concealed carry holders to bring their pistols inside. If someone was carrying... thye could have popped him before he killed 12 people. How come you never hear stories on here about the crimes that are stopped by CCW holders? Nothing on here about the 70 year old in Florida that stopped a robber there.

http://on.aol.com/video/robbery-attempt-thwarted-by-71-year-old-man-517420172

Blondness - You have a right to your opinion, but it is just that. And like the saying goes...opinions are like rectums, everyone has one. "Assault Rifles" are you used in various forms of varmit and hog hunting. they are also used in 3 gun shooting comp matches. There are THOUSANDS of car tragedies everyday...are you going to propose a car ban? Nothing is going to stop a crazy person determined to do what they want. The best hope is to have someone prepared to stop the threat. 911 is great if you have 5-15 minutes to wait for hte police to show up.

In response to the pastor's statement on understanding Why God allowed the shooting. Pastor God is not at fault for the actions of people we all have freewill, the ability to make choices are what it comes down too. The person in question was raised in someone home and others saw this young man growing and developing. Where was the insight on his behavior? How can you raise a person and then say I didn't know? As a parent I have raised several children and I am aware of their good deeds and some of their bad deeds. What I can say is we're all responsible for closing our eyes and shutting our hearts to wrong on any level. I hope we come away from this tragic situation with a renewed sense of humanity. If we can disconnect from society with our texting and online experiences other types of tragic actions will continue to happen. My sincere hope is a call to reconnect with our neighbors, teachers, friends... society as a whole must come out of our vacuum and engage each other about the way we live...

To drive a car, a license is necessary. This license is given after passing a written test and a road test. Then you get your license. If you are a driver of a vehicle, you must have proof of insurance for that vehicle, whether it's your own or belong to another. This 2nd Amendment gun ownership is so taken out of context. No way could those founding fathers even dream there would be the types of weapons we have today. Their thinking was to be certain there would be an "armed militia" if England or France tried to pull a fast one - not for a group or an individual to load up on armor. Scalia calls himself an "absolutist" in his interpretation of the Constitution when it's for his right-wing paid agenda, but not when it comes to the welfare of the citizens.

the best news is being cut out thanks to postal terrorist in america

we cant keep every wannabe on the watch list ...but maybe your GODs are crazy too

Earthgirl.... take some time to read what our founding father actually thought and wrote about... you're opinion is off base.

Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation . . . Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.

--- James Madison, The Fedralist Papers 46

That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms...

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyrany in government.

--- Thomas Jefferson

"A free people ought not only to be armed & disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms & munitions to maintain a status of independence from any who might try to abuse them which would include their own government."

George Washington.

Religion is a handy crutch to have. And God is a handy scapegoat. Both stupid concepts, but I only get to decide for myself. JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

You also get to make insensitive, derogatory remarks, NOT LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. Funny you make such an ugly post in response to one asking for dignity and compassion. I always find it telling that the ugliest, most destructive remarks are made by those who hate God.

As opposed to all of the other stories, right;)

Of course some atheist pops up to make some insensitive remark to further their cause which is based in hatred

AngryWhitefemale, he surely was raised by non secularist liberal parents. Christians would fear living in eternal darkness or fire after doing something like this. This is why christianity needs to be endorsed instead of vilified by the media and colleges through liberal blasphemy.

You should refrain making anti-God statements on this story because it's about people grieving an unthinkable loss and doing it through prayer.

Aren't there enough places out there where one can voice their opinion without having to trample over these people who have lost their Loved ones. They aren't pushing God on anyone, just having a vigil.

It's free speech, do whatever you need to do.

That's a lot to assume. It is clear that you're just squeezing all of these mourners into a stereotype that you subscribe to.

In reality, sometimes it's even hard to know the details about the spiritual life of people we associate with, let alone those whom we've never even met. In any case, it's not really reasonable to assume anyone can make a blanket statement about the true inner life of even a small group of people, whether the demographic be defined by religious, political, racial, geographical or whatever parameters one may care to use...

Sure, there are pseudo-christians out there, just like there are pseudo-liberals, but your cruel comment is an example of a mindset that embraces the very same maladies you are attacking.

You have inadvertently provided a fascinating case for psycho analysis....

You are someone who is clearly speaking from the left, whose values are supposedly based upon equality, non-judgmentalism, tolerance and peace.... going out of his way to step on hundreds of human beings who are in shock, mourning a terrible loss... Many of them who probably didn't even know any of the victims, but are there to compassionately support others who are hurting.

Yet your only reaction to it is to use this terrible tragedy as an opportunity to shower them with insults...., all of those"heathens" with their "trite little lives" ........ yes, who are actually out there trying to help other human beings, while you are pouring salt in their wounds....

You find what you assume and believe to be hypocritical behavior on their part annoying, while at the same time you own demeanor is totally at odds with what the left is supposed to stand for...... It is in fact. a complete contradiction to those values, and I might add, an embarrassment to any true liberal who does live by them.

It would be a wonder to any thinking person how you reconcile your obvious hatred and intolerance with the principles you supposedly live by.

It really is a little more involved than the simple, primordial "US & THEM" scenario the mass media brainwashing propaganda cool-aide machines on both sides have been utilizing to divide this country more deeply than at any time since the civil war....

In any case, I do wish you well and hope for your enlightenment.

The Aurora Massacre

Cocaine crazed Hollywood supply the mental triggers,

the Entertainment news programs elevate the hype,

and the NRA facilitate the accessibility of arms.

Unless reasonable censorship of heightened movie violence is enforced,

and until the NRA is declared a terrorist organization,

these massacres will occur again and again.

There is nothing wrong with people having different views on religion. All sides need to be tolerant of everyone else's beliefs. Does it hurt an atheist if people hold a vigil for victims and pray? Does it hurt an atheist if the media makes note of people praying? No, it does not. At the same time, does it hurt a Christian if someone is an atheist and shuns religion? No, it does not.

There is no room in this world for hatred and intolerance. Hatred and intolerance are the main causes of most killings all over the world. It solves nothing and helps no one. It doesn't get your point across. It doesn't make people believe the way you do. Consider this... most people in the US and many around the world do not like Islam because of the extremist side of it and their complete intolerance of anyone else. Yet every single one of you who start throwing hatred and intolerance regarding religion or anything else are exactly like those extremist Islamic terrorists. You might not choose to kill someone, but your hatred fuels those who do. It doesn't matter what side you're on... atheist, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, etc. You are just as bad as the terrorists when you throw hatred and intolerance around. Learn to live together and the world will be a better place.

This article is about a group of people who are hurting due to this stupid act. Don't attack them for what they believe or how they live their lives. Let them mourn in whatever way they choose. And if you want to push your beliefs, do so in an article that isn't about people mourning the dead.

As an atheist, I have no problem with people who find comfort in religion, and those that turn to prayer in a time of mourning. Please don't group us all together, that we'll all jump on this as a moment to espouse our religious views. If that comforts them in their time of need, there's nothing wrong with it.

G-3266343:

Unless reasonable censorship of heightened movie violence is enforced,

What would you consider "reasonable"? I don't find censorship reasonable, even if I may not like the message. If you don't like the violence in these movies, don't see them. Don't like violent video games? Don't buy them or play them. I happen to like them, and I know the difference between reality and fantasy. I'm not desensitized to violence. I realize that what happened on Aurora is a terrible tragedy, and there is a long road to recovery for that community. Censorship isn't the answer here.

@MagnoliaSimma: Thank you for that. Yes, everyone is different and even those in any particular group are different. There are atheists who are very compassionate and tolerant of all beliefs. And there are Christians who are very intolerant of other beliefs. Saying that all atheists are one way or all Christians are one way is simply being narrow minded. Just because someone has had a bad experience with a given group doesn't mean the entire group is the same. I know a LOT of Christians and a LOT of atheists, and most of them are all very good people and enjoyable to be around. It really is a small minority of each group that fits the profiles and stereotypes that are always thrown around.

And as far as censorship, I also agree that we should not censor violence in movies or games. That isn't the cause of people killing people. The constant indoctrination of hatred and intolerance is the cause. Much of that indoctrination comes from the media (not movies and games, but the news) and most of the rest comes from families and peers. I've played violent games and watched violent movies most of my life and I can easily tell the difference between reality and fantasy. I was raised to know what is right and what is wrong. As long as a child is raised to know right from wrong and they don't have some mental imbalance, they are not going to go on a shooting spree just because of a game or movie. If this person didn't do this at this movie, they would have done it somewhere else. The movie was just a place to do it. It wasn't the reason it was done.

The sad thing is is how many people get on here and are so rude. Was this your father or mother, son or daughter or even your friend NO!!!! If it was you would not be on here writing about god or guns you would be with the families morning thier loss. This is the problem in the world not guns not god or anti christ which ever you believe. We could have all the guns you want, if it weren't for hate, and we can believe in our own religions if not for hate. Support one another no matter what the belief and you would be amazed by some of the people you will meet and the amount of knowledge that you would learn right or wrong it doesn't matter in the end it would make you a more rounded person.

AT THIS TIME RESPECT! THE MEDIA MAY NOT, OTHERS MAY NOT BUT IF YOU ARE ONE PERSON WHO DOES AND CHANGES YOUR WAY OF THINKING, THEN THE ONLY PERSON THAT IS REWARDED IS YOURSELF, AND THE ONES AROUND YOU! IF WE ALL THOUGHT THIS WAS IT WOULD END CRIME ALLTOGETHER.

AngryWhitefemale, he surely was raised by non secularist liberal parents. Christians would fear living in eternal darkness or fire after doing something like this. This is why christianity needs to be endorsed instead of vilified by the media and colleges through liberal blasphemy.

Fail. I was raised by religious, conservative parents. Guess what? I consider myself liberal and agnostic! Funny how that works out! Stop making generalizations and stereotypes... but then again, that is the Christian way, isn't it?

Riamus:

It really is a small minority of each group that fits the profiles and stereotypes that are always thrown around.

To say that all the people of one group are all one way is extremely narrow-minded. I grew up Catholic, and I knew some very compassionate and kind Catholics, and I also knew some very intolerant Catholics. And the same goes for atheists. Some are respectful of others' beliefs, some are not.

And as far as censorship, I also agree that we should not censor violence in movies or games. That isn't the cause of people killing people.

Thank you, that's exactly how I feel. People have been killing other people long before video games and movies have been around.

I've played violent games and watched violent movies most of my life and I can easily tell the difference between reality and fantasy. I was raised to know what is right and what is wrong. As long as a child is raised to know right from wrong and they don't have some mental imbalance, they are not going to go on a shooting spree just because of a game or movie.

Exactly! Millions of people have enjoyed these movies without acting out the violence in them, because we're taught right from wrong, and the difference between reality and fantasy. I've been playing video games since I got the NES in the 1980's. I don't go jumping on turtles and crushing them because of Mario Bros. Games and movies don't cause violence.

If this person didn't do this at this movie, they would have done it somewhere else. The movie was just a place to do it. It wasn't the reason it was done.

That's my thought on this. I really feel that he chose the Batman movie because of its popularity. He knew lots of people would be there. A lot of the midnight viewings were sold out. If it hadn't been this movie, he probably would have found another venue.

I have no problem with people that choose to believe in a higher power if that's what they want to believe to help them get through life. However, I did have an issue with the relative of the 23 year old woman that said "I just hope that this incident doesn't shake people's faith in God". What exactly does that mean?

Riamus said:

Hatred and intolerance are the main causes of most killings all over the world. It solves nothing and helps no one. It doesn't get your point across. It doesn't make people believe the way you do.

Hitler held a lot of hatred and intolerance for the Jews. He came up with a plan to eliminate them and called it the 'Final Solution' and a lot of people all over Nazi-occupied Europe believed what he said and went along with it. At the end of WWII there were very, very few Jews left in Nazi-occupied territories. So while I would agree with you that hatred and intolerance was the main cause of the single largest mass murder in the history of the planet, it was a solution and many believed it.

If Hitler and the Axis powers had won WWII, do you think we would be here today discussing this? Do you think our children would be taught about the Holocaust? Would our children have even heard about the concentration camps at Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen and Treblinka, or would they have only heard about the camps at Manzanar?

History, and our opinions of it, is written and directed by the winners. Very, very few people seem to realize that it is what you do that matters, not whose Name you do it in.

And even fewer seem to realize we are on the brink of making the same mistakes.

Let's not forget that James is a human being, too. One can only imagine the pain that drove him to commit such a desperate act. JESUS would not condemn him but would forgive him and heal him. We should seek to do the same in His Name.

@stevefoo: You'd really have to ask the person because anyone else would be guessing and would probably be wrong. If something like this shook someone's faith, then their faith wasn't very strong to begin with and they don't really trust in God. Nowhere in the Bible does God say he will prevent people from harming others or provide a world without sin and hardship and suffering. For those who believe, we have heaven to look forward to for that. But nowhere does it say that we'll have that on Earth. So to change your mind about God because of something that mankind does just because God didn't prevent it is not really following what is taught in the Bible. But I can't read that person's mind and the quote may even be taken out of context considering how good the media is at doing that.

In the end, people believe the way they choose and whether or not we agree with them doesn't matter even if we think they should follow a specific set of beliefs for the religion they are part of. There's no reason we can't all get along. There's no reason to fight and argue over what we believe. Yes, there are times when people need to stand up for their beliefs. This is true when their beliefs start getting stepped on by those who believe differently. But that can be done without hatred. And compromises can be found if people work together. I'll give an example below. It's not based on religion because that becomes too volatile, but the idea works for religion and many other things.

There was an article years ago about someone putting up a US flag in a subdivision somewhere and the person was told they couldn't have it because most of the subdivision was Mexican and they felt it was infringing on their beliefs. Now, ignoring the fact that this was in the US and anyone who wants to fly the flag should be able to, this became a fight where it was one person against the rest. A compromise could easily have been found for this situation had everyone been willing to work together and understand one another's feelings. They could have chosen two options very easily that would have been fair to all. Both groups could fly the same size flag (or smaller if they chose) at the same height (or lower if they chose) of their respective groups. That would be equally fair. Or, no one could fly any flag. That would also be fair for all. There are other compromises that could be chosen as well that are fair. I forget how this ended, but I don't believe it ended up with what I'd consider a fair compromise.

Whether it's ethnicity or religion or something else, we can choose fair compromises. If someone from one group wants the other group to not do something, then they should also be forced to not do the same thing. Or, both groups should be allowed to do it. Whether that's what you wear or what you say or what you do, it doesn't matter. If it offends you and you want it stopped, then don't complain when you're told to stop a similar thing. If you don't want someone wearing a religious shirt somewhere then the fair and right thing is for you to not wear a shirt that is anti-religious in the same place. If you want the right to wear any shirt you want, then you have to offer the same right to people of other beliefs. If we started making fair compromises and no longer continually changing laws to suit the vocal minority who want things their way and no other, then the country would improve greatly.

Religion and Race and Politics and so on do not have to be a fight to the death. There isn't anything wrong with people voicing their opinions in appropriate ways and places or with people having different opinions. If their opinion isn't directly harming you, then there's no reason to get into a fighting match over it. Name calling and stereotypes do not solve anything and just make the speaker sound like a child. Stay calm. Think about what you're going to say and decide what your reaction would be if someone said it to you. If it wouldn't bother you and you are sure it shouldn't offend anyone else, then go ahead and say it. If it would bother you, then do not say it. It's that simple. I've never understood why so many people, especially on forums, feel the need to be offensive.

@Amanda: I'm not quite sure which way you're leaning based on your post. If you're saying Hitler's course was okay because it was a solution that many people agreed with even though it was based in hatred and intolerance, then I'd have to very strongly disagree. It doesn't matter if the majority of the people agreed with a solution. If that solution is based on hatred and intolerance, it is the wrong solution. Majority rule does not apply. There will be another solution available that isn't based on hatred and intolerance that would work just as well and in the end be far better if people are willing to look. And in this particular discussion, there's no reason given by anyone why Christians and atheists cannot live together peacefully, so there wouldn't be any reason at all for someone to consider that kind of solution. I may just not understand what point you're making with Hitler. If anything, it enforces what I said before. Hatred and intolerance lead to violence. Not video games. Not books. Not movies. Not comics. And censorship prevents learning and is wrong.

It is true that history varies based on who is recording it. Even if no effort is taken to hide the truth, each person will have a different view on what happened and that affects the outcome of the history books. History doesn't have to be completely accurate, however. We can learn from it even if it is biased. It would help for history teachers to point out that history is usually biased and that readers should understand that history isn't always exactly what is shown in the books, but it doesn't really change much. We can learn a lot from history regardless if you read what the US history books say about WWII or you read what the German history books say about it. And if you're smart, you'll compare the two. That's not too hard to do online these days. But even without a comparison, you can still learn from the mistakes of the past. You might learn different things, but you'll still learn and no one is ever going to know everything, so it doesn't really matter if you learn from different mistakes.

@Shandril: No, Jesus wouldn't condemn him. However, He also wouldn't condone the action. There's a difference between offering forgiveness to someone who seeks forgiveness and just accepting that people can do horrible things and it's okay because it's in their nature or whatever. Jesus also does not take away responsibility for one's actions. You're still responsible even if you're forgiven. And actions have consequences. In the end, the killer was an adult. That means that he is entirely responsible for his actions and no one or anything else is at fault. The consequence of his actions will be life in prison or death. Unless he's completely unstable, he knew that before doing it. After all, this was entirely premeditated. He was getting ammunition for a year before doing this. He had plenty of time to change his mind and he chose not to. He is responsible and he has to face the consequences. It is fine to forgive him, but it doesn't change what he did. Victims sometimes forgive those responsible and that shows great strength of character, but it doesn't mean there should be no consequences.

I am confused here, which God are you talking about, there are over 10,000 resgistered religions just in NY state!--------Or could that just be for the tax cheats--- (many farms up north has a cross on the front door)

I do understand that instead of psychiatric help, some people can get help by believing in something that is not real, and even ancient people have done that for thousands of years, but leave everyone alone to do want they want, but stop preaching which one is right for others, that is none of your business, if it helps someone, then "let it be".--as said by someone named John--but not in the bibles or the other 75 "bible" books my son has in his store!

Riamus said:

@Amanda: I'm not quite sure which way you're leaning based on your post.

Um...'leaning' on what?

If you're saying Hitler's course was okay because it was a solution that many people agreed with even though it was based in hatred and intolerance, then I'd have to very strongly disagree. It doesn't matter if the majority of the people agreed with a solution. If that solution is based on hatred and intolerance, it is the wrong solution.

Blessed Goddess, is that what you thought from my post? I'm sorry, I never meant to leave that impression. No. Hitler took a lot of practitioners of my religion, too--in fact, practically every religion throughout human history has tried to take practitioner of my belief system off the face of the planet at one time or another--Goddess/Nature worship was the first belief system on this planet, formed bak when people were fingerpainting on cave walls. No, my point when you said hatred an intolerance 'doesn't solve anything', I wanted to point out that for a select few, yes it does. And you can get people to think the way you do.

Majority rule does not apply.

For a democracy, yes it does, the majority makes the rules. Early on in the history of our nation, Ben Franklin was asked what kind of government they were going to set up and Franklin explained 'A republic, ma'am, if you can keep it.' I am glad for the fact that we are a republic, not a democracy.

There will be another solution available that isn't based on hatred and intolerance that would work just as well and in the end be far better if people are willing to look. And in this particular discussion, there's no reason given by anyone why Christians and atheists cannot live together peacefully, so there wouldn't be any reason at all for someone to consider that kind of solution.

There is no reason why anyone, Christian, Atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Satanist, Wiccan, etc. can't coexist. Black, white, brown, yellow, red, rich, poor, liberal, conservative, Democrat, Republican,Tea Party--all of those are just meaningless labels that we arbitrarily assign to ourselves and each other. 'human' is the only one that really matters.

I may just not understand what point you're making with Hitler. If anything, it enforces what I said before. Hatred and intolerance lead to violence. Not video games. Not books. Not movies. Not comics. And censorship prevents learning and is wrong.

All knowledge is worth having.

It is true that history varies based on who is recording it. Even if no effort is taken to hide the truth, each person will have a different view on what happened and that affects the outcome of the history books. History doesn't have to be completely accurate, however. We can learn from it even if it is biased. It would help for history teachers to point out that history is usually biased and that readers should understand that history isn't always exactly what is shown in the books, but it doesn't really change much. We can learn a lot from history regardless if you read what the US history books say about WWII or you read what the German history books say about it. And if you're smart, you'll compare the two. That's not too hard to do online these days. But even without a comparison, you can still learn from the mistakes of the past. You might learn different things, but you'll still learn and no one is ever going to know everything, so it doesn't really matter if you learn from different mistakes.

Yes, and that's the problem that I see; many people don't learn from mistakes, and those who don't learn from them are doomed to repeat them. One of the guiding tenets of my belief system is 'There is no one true way.' The way you find may not be good for anyone else, because what you perceive as your truth is not going to be what another perceives as their truth.

Another of our guiding tenets is 'It's what you do that matters, not whose Name you do it in.' This shooting will not be more heinous if we found out the guy was Muslim; it will not be less heinous if we find out he was Christian or Jew or Buddhist or Atheist or Wiccan or Hindu. It wont change the death total, it won't change the fact that people died, and it won't bring back the loved dead.

The fact is that the shooting happened and blaming it on his Deity of choice (if he had one) still doesn't absolve him of the responsibility of having done what he did.

I would probably feel different if one of my family members had been killed, but I have to think that this guy must have some serious mental issues. How does someone with what had to be a very high IQ indulge in something like this unless he is drastically unhinged upstairs? I am thinking this guy probably needs some serious mental health treatment.

What a sad, sad day for all those affected. Davidtm you are a MORON! And this is NOT the place to question someone's beliefs....feel for those people that lost someone.....feel for those who are wounded .....and feel for their families.....in whatever way YOU decide to.....

This has nothing to do with religion or gun control.. This is a tragic event, senseless. This is certainly not the time to critisize other's opinions of the incident. My heart and deepest sympothy goes out to each victim; the lost, the surviving. Tragic and extremely disheartening, even to those that aren't residents of CO. As a law enforcement officer, I commend the officers involved and send out my prayers to them as well, it's never easy for us to see such senseless acts and their aftermath. I hope the perpetrator receives the ultimate punishment, despite his mental state. And I agree, Davidtm is a MORON. Everyone has different beliefs and opinions, RESPECT is just.

Why should he stand trial? It is as more of a specific Constitutional guarantee than the interpretation of the right he had to buy all the guns.

Also, do you want judges, lawyers and the rest of the legal system to make a living dealing with these obvious cases that will end up with him living out the rest of his life under mental care and then released when he is "cured"?

Thank goodness the founding fathers put it all together 236 years ago. If it was left to this mentality we'd never have had the good sense to rebel in the first place.

Because in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. The US constitution dictates a fair trial by a jury of your peers is necessary. The man regardless of the crime gets a trial and the people involved provide the ultimate sentence, regardless of the fact that Obama does not recognize the US Constitution under which he serves. Fire away with a hateful response, but we still have a Constitution that is our guidance, not lynching law.

"ABSOLUTELY WITNESSED AND DOCUMENTED"....."No Reasonable Doubt here"

Just room for a "Tree and a Rope"..........

Got a mouse in your pocket, Kimberly? Don't include me in your "we". The shooter is part of the news. Your need to hide your head in the sand is unhealthy - and unwise. If you don't want to look or know, that's your business. You don't get to make ANY decisions for anyone else.

Kimberly.........thank you also and excellent point that underlines the media's complicity in inflaming these people's egos.

tana, do you hate everybody or just most people? You have a real attitude problem. Your posts make you come across as a #1 cyber bully. I guess it feeds your fragile ego, huh?

I think it's cool of all of us to SHUN these mass killers

no publicity for them. Seems like for most of them there is a component of fame that fuels their efforts. If they commit the deed, I relish not giving them that payoff.

so Kim is on to something. Maybe a picture but don't everyone act in front of the killer (say when he's lead to court) as if we are interested.

Kimberly, you are so on the mark....they shouldn't even mention his name. He wanted to go out in a 'Blaze go Glory' -to be remembered, to leave HIS MARK, The media is simply catering to his ego.

THE WHOLE @!$%#ING STORY IS OLD AND OVER PLAYED FOR RATINGS.

Thats your modern media. I was tired of listening to this bull@!$%# and all the crying on Friday.

I said the same thing in another post. Keep his face off the news. Don't give him the satisfaction of beig in the limelight. Don't hide it, just don't plaster it every place. I wanted to see what he looked like, now I'm done. If I want to see him again I can easily look for an image.

5.5

The media is catering to our thirst for the crap.

Be accountable -if you're so sick of this story, why did you click on the article to read it? No one if forcing you.

As long as the media is reporting on the incident at all, he is in the limelight. He knows who they are talking about without them even saying his name so you might as well keep saying it (fear of a name only increases fear of the thing itself) and showing his picture. If you no longer wish to see them, then by all means, you stop clicking on the links at all but as long as you do keep clicking the links, the story will be in the news and as long as the story is in the news, he will keep on being in the limelight, name or no name, picture or no picture.

I agree and also stop referring to this guy by the name from the movie. All that does is show some other sick freak out there that he can make whatever name for himself.

@usage-sensei: BTW, what are YOU doing here?...

rjt111: He will also possibly recieve a death sentence or life without parol. He wont have time for college, he will be too busy keeping the other inmates from killing him. Some lifer will walk up and stick a shiv in his throat. worked in a pen. know the deal. Pediphiles dont last long either. 90% of prison inmates were abused as children.

course dont forget the liberal he is an alcoholic, was abused by his uncle jimmy, his father beat him, and he had such low self esteme. He was turned into this by society. He might get off in a nut ward.

Thomas- You have good points....but this maniac will be isolated from the rest of the general jail population. When you are a major news story, you no longer end up with a roommate.

RT111...I get your point but... he already has a college degree so no, he most likely won't be pursuing his PhD on our dime.

there was quite the vein of heroism here.

RIP

when young people die it just seems particularly evil. THis young man murdered his peers, most of them at the start of their adult life.

sad >:

Do you consider yourself a Christian Janelyn, just curious?

So when is it un-christian to execute murderers?

I never seem to need this, it's not in me.

Better is that he comes to sanity or clarity and gets profoundly what he has done, and some day hears the pain of those that lost love ones

and feels the profound losss, and weeps with guilt, and can't stand himself...and is horrified....and lives many years locked up living with this pain

God punishes sinners. This man took it upon himself to carry out this act. I believe this man should be executed and VERY soon. I dnt think he deserves to simply be put on death row. This man was truly a tortured soul who didnt care about the lives of others. No remorse even in jail.

I'm a liberal democratic agnostic and I wouldn't want to see him executed publicly. Execute him? Yes, but I don't want to watch... Too weird.

Also, enough with the religion pushed into this situation.

I agree, MJ.....too much blood thirst. Are we heading for "Roller Ball" justice here? If I want to see honor killing, public beheadings, etc. I'll move to the Middle East.

Some of these comments make me fear going back to the Roman times of spectator slaughter....wtf?

Yes, I think the death penalty is a viable option is some cases, like this one...but a public display only feeds the blood thirsty, and to trot this sick animal out like a gladiator is wrong.

Take the rabid dog to the vet to be put down in the back room...no fanfare, just put him down.

"Take the rabid dog to the vet to be put down in the back room...no fanfare, just put him down" writes Pam Montgomery. Out of sight;out of mind?! You sound a little extreme in your comparison of "public executions" to the pagan practice of "gladiator sport" in the days of ancient Rome! THAT, my friend, was basically done for pure sport/ get rid of Christians who would DIE for their belief in Jesus Christ before they would submit to the "popular belief"/be like the majority and bow down to the "emporer god"!Although it wouldn't be very PC to publicly execute this criminal, it might just show others that might think that they would "get off lightly" that maybe they'd be NEXT! My heartlt condol and prayers to ALL the families/friends of the victims of this horrific incident.

Even if he "tipped off" the police it would not hve mattered. Leaving a odd voicemail isnt against the law. Im not sure what he left on it..but I am assuming it was not threatening nor was it harrassment. So nothing would happen. In hindsight we can say "the police couldve looked into this further" but truth is no one can predict what is going to happen. PPl all hve rights. Him buying all these firearms and ammunition was perfectly legal...so even if they "chked him out" no one can get authority to watch him esp when he has a pretty clean record. He was very very smart....why would they suspect him he was going to carry out such a horrific crime. Breaks your heart. You just ask yourself...where is this going to happen next? Seems everyday someone has murdered their own families, murdered innocent ppl, stolen innocent children.......when is this going to stop?

Tip them off to what? That he was a weird dude? He had yet to do anything wrong, but gave them a bad vibe and they didn't want him on their shooting range shooting with them. No crime in being weird...it just meant he couldn't get his range membership there. We're all Monday morning Quaterbacks saying 'this should have happened' or 'that'. Imagine this guy was nothing but a little odd and harmless and he tipped them off to the police...nothing would have happened, it would have wasted police time, and possibly got someone innocent in trouble. Even the guy being an evil man, the police would have let him go as they'd have nothing to charge him with... The only way for us to prevent these crimes is for people to have morals...so many believe morals are flexible based on what people want or desire. This guy's lack of morals led him to this...a person with morals who answers to God would NEVER do this...as they know God would disapprove.

Even if he had tipped the police, there was likely nothing they could do. Most states you can't even get a restraining order against someone, even if you are in fear of your life, if they have done nothing on the record to warrant it. In essence, they have to actually kill or wound you before you can take out an order to ensure they don't kill or wound you. Makes you wonder why they invented a restraining order in the first place if you can't actually get one while you are still in one piece.

Eternity in Hell if he doesn't repent will compensate.

eventually when he gets to prison, the gangs there will make their feelings known to him- painfully. he wont last long, and he's gonna wish he had killed himself with his guns.

don't worry they will keep him safe in the prison alone after he is a special case

Amen!

Do you believe in Christ's teaching's? If so this is a good time to practice them.

what a terrible place to use your partisan lies.

Obama is a deeply religious Christian man who is there to comfort those who lost family members

shame on you

Troll. Ignore.

Also, *gays, *atheists, *their

You're welcome.

Laurali: I agree it's out of line for political opinions in this story, but thinking he is there for anything other than his election numbers ia just being naive. The President normally would not have time to go and consul victims of crimes or weather events, it is just good PR.

"Obama is a deeply religious CHRISTIAN man..." LOL! Opinions are like a**holes. Everybody has one!

Yes, he took time to go be with them and meet with the families. Very stand up guy. At least he can identify with ppl

I'm not an Obama fan at all, but I must admit, I have yet to see a picture of him there. At first I figured it's a photo op but if he's leaving the cameras behind it does show some character to him...even if I think he's a lousy President otherwise.

Have you checked on Australia since they banned all guns? Have you checked the crime rates. The poeple right now are regretting that.

Violent crime has skyrocketed there.

@guiltybyproxy - Have a link to support your claim?

MJ1986: Don't know much about the particular source, but this article(opinion) was only 1 Google click away, maybe it is BS, maybe not, but it gives a figure that COULD be researched and checked out pretty easily to see if true.

How could our government keep law-abiding citizens from acquiring weapons when our own Justice Dept is letting drug-traffickers get them (Operation Fast and Furious)? Sort of erodes the moral ground of your argument don't you think? The fact that our Justice Dept is arming drug traffickers shows why there is a Second Amendment in the first place. The people have that power not the government. Give it up and you have a place like Syria.

Agree 100%. I don't understand the gun obsession in this country. The NRA pretty much runs our dismal Congress.

MJ1986: Yeah they ram through 2500 page bills that aren't read before the vote all the time.

You cannot say that is so. If it works for but one person then there is no harm in prayer.

can anyone name asomething like this happening 40 or 50 years ago??? I think gun ownership was legal then too...

It looks like Syria.

And population density was alot less. We're no longer an agrarian frontier society. Time to dump the 2nd

Bob take your meds.Most gun owners do not condone what happened and this is the NRA's fault how???

Your solution is to disarm everyone well Hitler did that and history shows how that turned out.

BTW i like many gun owners are not members of the NRA but i guess that never crossed your mind now did it.

Scruw you Bob. Dump the 2nd and say welcome tyranny. Think about what your are writing and read your history before you engage your keyboard. The warped and twisted people are the criminals not the guns. Get the story right.

Bob.

You really need some "stronger weed"..........

If all guns were taken away from legal owners, the gangs, terrorists, nut cases would still get guns, just cost more as they would be imported illegally. Getting rid of guns is not the answer.

Actually training your child to have a moral center and not expect the schools to raise them, teach them right from wrong instead of them leaning a twisted sense on xbox. there are so many useless parents out there. just take a look around you can see em too. to thats a good word, Too drunk to take their children to the zoo, too stoned to change the babies diaper, too busy to lead, thats what parents are supposed to do lead. Parents 40 or 50 years ago were not too busy.

Dont forget all the school teaching children to call dhr when their parents use a belt on them. My dad used a razor strop on me. Not frequently but only in the severest cases. Believe me it was an only done once.

I see kids getting outa high school, already pregnant, no job and move in with mom and dad. thats setting the example.

My dad expected me to stand on my own two feet. and we talked when a major problem came up. i have listened to parents talk about their kids. dont listen just keep diggin a bigger hole. Course when the hole gets big then its dads and moms place to fix it. Well, what they should get is move out now while you still know everything, and have all the answers. pay for yourself. Tough love they call it now. and its got a point. It is the parents job to fix the kids problems till they are an adult. Thats when the gravy train ends. But it dont. I see parents buyin their adult kids cars paying for insurance.

I wanted a really hot car when i got my drivers license. Except my dad brought home one that i probably would not kill myself in. THEN HE EXPECTED ME TO PAY FOR IT AND KEEP INSURANCE ON IT. Well i got real good with my money as i was now required to pay for everything.

My grandkids are in for a rude awakening. they want cell phones NOW. Well when they get a job and can make the payment they can have em.

More guns is always the answer! Guns are great!

Right on, MJ.

SLAVERY is worshipping the government and expecting them to pass laws everytime a nut case commits a crime. The guy apparently learned his bomb making skills via the internet, do you want that banned? How about movies with violent plots? Most of you screaming for gun control probably didn't like it when the Patriot Act was passed, losing freedoms because of someones ability to use a box cutter, remember? I can make one suggestion, how about teaching people (citizens) RESPECT for the law, instead of teaching everybody how to get around the law.

You are so right I just caught my AK-47 sneaking in this morning after a night out doing who knows what, hopefully it did not shoot anyone while it was out. But I tookaction and grounded it so it should not go out by its self again. You people make me sick I served my country and I will always own guns I have earned that right. More people die each day from drunk driving than guns should we go back to probation, further you people who are taking about taking guns are all for killing babies but letting murders out of jail after a short jail sentience cause they have changed. WTF

Amen Bob. I agree with you 100%. I feel so badly for everyone affected by this tragedy. Why are we allowing these guns to be purchased in the first place? I am a avid deer hunter myself. I DO NOT NEED A GUN OF THAT MAGNITUDE TO GET FOOD ON MY TABLE!! Our ancestors did not need than and nor do we!!! We the American People are the ones getting slaughtered like animals here. No form of life on this planet deserves this type of treatment. Please Please Please take these weapons off of the sales market. I fully understand that there is still the risk of black market sales and ways around to obtain them. But can we not at least take a stand to prevent what we can to the fullest extent of the law to protect ourselves and our future of our children and of this Nation and hopefully the other World Leaders may take a stand and follow?

Basically, everything that you just said, means absolutely nothing in the real world.

OP = Fail

A person who has a squeaky clean record requires no escort from the law for they have done no wrong. And there is no way for the government to identify such a person without enacting martial law and providing false acusations as was done in nazi Germany. The NRA and gun rights groups contribute to their causes because they know and understand what is at hand in the not too distant future, while the gun control groups do not. In this instance it was not the gun that did the crime it was the warped, twisted student with the squeaky clean criminal record (innocent under the laws of this land until a crime is committed). Go ahead and call for the elimination of your freedoms at the hands of the liberal "saviors", but the rest of us will fight and fight and fight to keep our freedoms that were promised us in the US Constitution by Our Founding Fathers. Guns are tools with a reason for being but it is the damaged human brains that are the cause of all human distress.

Why don't we learn somethings here?

Franklin Roosevelt uttered the famous statement during his first inaugural address on March 4, 1933. In speaking of the economic depression that he inherited, he stated, "...let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself..."

I think he was goddam right, actually.What had caused the "Nuts" always having the feeling of "Fear" as execuse ?

Fear of fear probably has cause more problems in our lives than fear.Fear the main reason of this great Country almost to his knee to be bankrupt or that might cause civil war fighting of each other .Fear has offer nothing to its citizens,but the agony of pain and sorrow.