Bullet Control

I get 3 limited renewals on a benign medication...but on-line, one guy can buy 6,000 rounds of ammunition with a click ?

I can't understand why our country allows that. We aren't being invaded...so don't give me that "protection" Second Amendment stuff.

Sportsman who shoot 6,000 rounds at a time are either a bad shot, or need therapy.

No one is going to give you the second amendment stuff. Obviously you are too ignorant to figure out why your gun control support gets people killed and fails to stop crime. Why waste time explaining it to you?

@ cant stand obama, Just from your screen name we can tell how negative you are in every day life.

I have to wonder what the point is of holding two staged "catastrophic" events for just such a situation each year, then finding that all the organization, procedures, and exercises really had no effect at all. Homeland security money was wasted, because as soon as emergency personnel were confronted with reality, there was only chaos and confusion, as described by the responders, nurses, and doctors in the emergency rooms.

Its a little stupid that you can just walk into a store and get a gun. Sadly there is no easy solution to solve the gun problem anytime soon.If we past a law to get rid of guns I would take my pistol the only gun i have and im licensed. I would put it in the gun bin. If someone one day shot me that had a gun well I was following the law and im fine with that. You have to start somewhere. Outlawing guns might sound a bit radical, but what other options are there to fix these problems when we dont even try at all. People will talk about this for a week. Then its back to our guns and bang bang this is forgotten untill the media brings it back up again next year.

This article was about the dispatcher and what she went through, not about guns and ammo.

It would appear this town is not prepared to deal with a major emergency and apparently nearby Denver didn't help. We used to have a Civil Defense force for catastrophies which could have been called upon to help out, that apparently has fallen by the wayside. Now we have emergency management and homeland security. We know how well that works. I suspect many towns in the US are in the same boat.

My husband and I listened to the dispatchers. Kathie did an awesome job! I couldn't believe how calm she was through the whole thing. Hearing her voice made me feel like everything was going to be ok. Cheri did a great job at maintaining a level of professionalism. Even when she was yelled at by the firefighter she hung in there and made sure that he didn't forget that the police still needed EMS behind the theater. Great job, Ladies!!!

Well I can't stand Obama either, I believe in the constitutional right to bear arms- though I don't own a gun my self. I would think it's fair to assume that a large purchase of 6000 rounds of ammo might be enough to warrant an at home visit, just as much as a person purchasing large quantities of bomb making materials. The same could be said for large quantities of poison. Seriously folks, would it be terribly upsetting to get a visit if you just purchased this much ammo? Assuming it's legit? Not saying you don't have the right but what's wrong with tracking it? We track guns?

If you want to blame anyone for the shortage of money in this country it's the good old Department of Defense. All of the money we spent on the shiny new wars that your boy W and Cheney just had to start would have been enough to rebuild every bridge, every road, and every school in this country twice.

Obama was handed a giant rotten turd and he is doing everything he can, with no help from the G NO P, to polish it and keep it presentable enough to give us some kind of hope and all you do is talk shtt and tear him down every single day. You are the sickness in this country. You are the problem.

Can't stand Obama? Why? Too smart for you? To willing to reach across the isle and get people to work together. What a jerk huh? I used to cringe every time I heard W talk. Ugh. Almost a complete moron. It was embarrassing. Now when Obama, yes he is human and imperfect, speaks during the State of the Union it is uplifting and slightly inspiring.

Romney is everything wrong with this country. He is an elitist. He has 5 sons and not one has served in the military. Surprise. They were born filthy rich and will probably die the same. No genuine sympathy or empathy for the poor or struggling at all in any way. Rich white fat cat who believes in magic underwear and that Jesus was in America. Wow. You stun me. Who are you? Are you human? I wonder.

Begs the question, IF the world economy collapsed and they were suddenly equalized to everyone else, would they get it then? Highly doubt it.

Very well said dissapointed. I just wish more people realized all of this! It is beyond frustrating to hear the middle class balk about how @!$%#ty they think the president is and want to vote for the Mutt just because they want Obama out. WHY? I need not 3 or 4, but ONE good reason why they hate our president so much. Not a lie, not a rumor, not something from joke news, but a REAL reason. But then..they have nothing left to say. It's all about birth certificates and communism. Never an actual, legit reason. We just have to pray we will outnumber these kind of sheeple again at the polls. :-/

And by outnumber do you mean round up all the homeless, elderly, and otherwise unknowing "voters" and hauling them around to multiple polling stations to vote. And then arguing that you should not have to show an ID to vote because it violates some "voting right" you have in this country? If I have to show an ID to purchase a gun, something you seem to feel is a stupid decision, I feel you should have to show an ID to vote, which is likely going to result in stupid decision on your part.

Dis and ashamed, Romney's kids prob didn't go to war because they didn't sign up not because there rich theres no draft!! The dumbest thing I've seen in a long time!! Guess what you don't have to go either do you???

These dispatchers deserve recognition. Good job ladies....

I agree with KIMBERLY Dispatchers need to be recognise in a big way with ceremony , I could not hold on to such great composure and professionalism being in that situation myself ..........

Great staffers "GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES LADIES "without your courteous job done would have been a ciaos .

For those who wanted a political statement here .....it's not the place ....it is not about YOU now for God's sake ,take it to a beer party instead .......

dissapointed and ashamed: One minute you are criticizing the war and then the next minute you are criticizing people who decided not to join the military and go to war. I'm confused. Are you for or against it? And why should Romney's sons go into the military? I have 3 brothers and none of them went into the military. Trust me when I say we were not rich. They chose to do something different with their lives. My husband went into the military and gets ragged on all the time by people not in the military about how we are living off the government and how he should quit and go get a real job. It seems that either way we lose.

Romney is everything wrong with this country. He is an elitist. He has 5 sons and not one has served in the military. Surprise. They were born filthy rich and will probably die the same

Disappointed and Ashamed, As far as I know there is no draft these days. His son's were required to join the military? Will Obama's daughters be expected to? This was an odd statement. Obama is worth an estimated $11 million right now, which will rise when he leaves office and does the speech circuit. He will likely write more books and possibly even be more precise in the future with his characters- you know, not take the strong "black" characters which were actually white and be honest. I wish to point out that wealthy, charismatic politicians that were groomed their entire lives to run for office are very similar. You say apples and oranges, black and white, rich and poor and I call BS. Step away from the Kool Aide.

What does Obama have to do with more stringent gun laws? Since he has taken office, no new gun control laws have been signed and the assault weapons ban remains lifted. Overall, gun sales have gone up since he became president. Doesn't really align with the 'he's-out-to-get-yer-guns' theory, does it?

Anyhow, the calls were handled by the 911 dispatchers in a very professional manner - they should be proud.

There's no such thing as an "Assault weapon". It's a made up, arbitrary term by the gun control lobby to describe any firearm that looks scary. Fully automatic weapons are already highly regulated in the U.S. (practically banned for civilian use). We already do background checks for firearms purchases. James Holmes passed his background checks. What more would you have us do?

People with an intent to kill will always find a way to do so. Gun control only harms law abiding gun owners. Look at Chicago, DC, or any other city which tries to restrict gun ownership to cut crime. It doesn't work.

i agree with you geoff. all assault rifles should be banned. what use do they serve? i have a glock 40 i carry with me at all times. if some crazy a--hole starts shooting where i am at, a good head shot will take care of the armor

If your going to blame guns for this you need to blame Hollywood for the movies too. The guy Thought he was the Joker. Are you kidding me? This guy would have done this with guns or a homemade gas bomb, He watched too many movies and could no longer tell the difference between real and fiction. Or he got so caught up with the characters he wanted to make it real. Either way it's it's the movies, because of our censorship rights and the unwillingness of parents to monitor what their kids watch.... More to blame here than just gun the gun.

BulkAmmo.com, ...

Home made bombs

and the NRA accusing the President of limiting their rights

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In a world where Amazon can track your next book purchase and you must show ID to buy some allergy medicine, James Holmes spent months stockpiling thousands of bullets and head-to-toe ballistic gear without raising any red flags with authorities.

Good point, RI Mom, we can get put on a terrorist watch list just for doing a research paper or even browsing titles out of curiosity because we can't believe someone would put out a book on a particular subject, and have to show ID to buy sinus meds, but this kid bought ballistic gear and thousands of rounds of ammo and NOBODY questioned it???? It just DOESN'T make any sense, does it?

Gun control doesn't work. This guy could have gone in there with just the shotgun and done plenty of damage. That is a hunting weapon. He had pistols too, a self defense weapon. The assault riffle could have easily been replaced by something else. If we banned all weapons from all people, individuals like this guy would find a way to get them. If he couldn't he would have made a bomb and gun control laws would do nothing in that case.

So get off the gun control thing. I am a liberal democrat and I like shooting assault rifles. Not because I like hunting, I don't, but because I enjoy seeing how good I am at hitting a target. I also want to be able to defend my country if the need arises. Fighting enemy troops isn't quite the same with a bolt action .22.

If you don't believe me look at drug laws. They have succeeded in stopping law abiding citizens from getting drugs. The addicts and users still get them and when they get caught we pay for them to be locked away. It doesn't stop the drugs but costs billions to enforce.

People are talking about the 6,000 rounds of ammo that he bought. Its not relevant. Out of the six thousand rounds, How many did he have on his person in the Movie House? I will bet nowhere near that amount, many be a couple of hundred MAXIMUM. Do any of you fools know how heavy 6000 rounds 0f .223 and / or 40 cal ammo is? find me one person in this country that can carry 4 weapons and that much ammo...........not even close, not even Rambo with the Terminator can carry that load. So, why the focus on 6000 rounds.........

2.7..the damn guns JAMMED...rhat is why they were not all fired.

The intent was to blast away murdering all he could.

How is gun control supposed to help? This guy Holmes is a smart guy he could probably build his own guns with the right tools. Guns can be purchased on the street illegally. He could have built bombs like the ones in his apartment to use at the theatre. Who knew all that studying in college would cause him to blow a fuse in his brain. He probably hooked on violent video games is my guess. We need more law abiding people to carry concealed weapons to be able to take out crazy people like Holmes.

RI Mom - He didn't have more than a couple hundred rounds. Soldiers can only carry a couple hundred rounds on their person in combat.

Would've taken a helluva man to stab that many. Guns turn ordinary pussies into big, bad, men.

2.10...Are you actually thinking you could have stopped him?

When police apprehended him outside the Century Aurora 16 theater Friday morning, Holmes had four guns on him. He was carrying:

– An AR-15 assault rifle

– A Remington 12-gauge 870 shotgun

– Two 40-caliber Glock handguns

Three of those weapons, including the shotgun and the assault rifle, he brought into the theater, according to Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates. A single shooter with three high-powered guns:

The massacre took the lives of 12 and injured 58 others. They couldn’t even put a number on the shots Holmes fired. The chief admitted it was beyond his team’s scope of calculation, limiting his confirmation only to “many, many rounds.”

RI Mom - Yes. If one person had a handgun, they could stop him. If your life depends on it, you will shoot back at someone shooting at you. His body armor could only stop one round, which was only protecting his heart.

How about,

1.You can only rent and shoot Assault Rifles at registered and legit firing ranges.

2.You can buy 100 bullets a year per gun. If you need more, that's fine. Show your hunting permit or have police reports if there was an incident requiring you to "protect" yourself documenting shots fires, bullets used.

3.No mail order guns PERIOD. With identity theft, no true background check, and no human interaction that's craziness.

I didn't grow up with guns. I know a lot of people who support them have. I understand that. It's part of who you are and something you and your family enjoy. I get it. You probably feel like if you give an inch they will take a mile. I see your point. I just think we are smart enough to try something different.

We can't ban everything that hurts people. It's impossible. I just don't see a way to make all parties involved happy. I think people wiping out lives in seconds with friggin assault rifles is disturbing. Who needs one of those things at home? Why?

If someone had control over whether I live or die in a given moment and I had a gun I would light him up like a Charlie Brown Christmas tree, lol. No doubt about that. But seeing Sarah Palin flying in a helicopter taking out wolves with an assault rifle is just f'd up. I don't know the answer. I don't want to tell people what to do or make decisions for them. There is a counter argument for everything. We need to work together. Gun owners do care. Don't think they don't. It's ignorant. But, can we stick with 6 shooters or something? Let's cap it off at realistic hunting equipment and personal protection. Not amassing arsenals to defend against small armies. That's all.

Just think if this fool was radical enough to have a nuke?

Thank-you to emergency dispatchers everywhere for all that you do.

Guns do not create violence, peoples nasy attitudes and the words comming out of their mouth cause violence.

This DBag was pissed he couldn't get into a firing range to get to fire his new toys and went elsewhere.

He was obsessed.

WTF MIKE I cannot agree with you more ........Thank you for a finally clever post ....

They got there in 90 seconds! Read the news accounts before you make uninformed comments!!

I live two miles from the theater and the police were there in less than two minutes--"too long", "TOO LONG"--learn the facts and don't talk out your arse.

Jeffery can't read

They weren't saying the shooting victims needing help they were referring to the police officers they needed gas masks and other things to get to the victims and the shooter and they were asking the dispatchers for them (for help) and they couldn't get it. The police were there very fast but it takes seconds for an automatic weapon to cause this kind of carnage unfortunately. This is not the police's fault and no one has the right to blame them... It is the shooters fault and his alone.

@ Jeffrey 614 - As others have posted, the police were there in record time. The article states all city officers were dispatched to this location. They needed additional assistance, gas masks and more medical assistance. Some of the officers drove the injured to the hospital in their patrol cars. First Responders should be commended for their efforts!

What I do think about is how many more lives were saved since the explosives at his apartment didn't go off and that one young lady never entered or pushed his door open when the music blasted from there at midnight. Thank God that it wasn't worse than it was; I thank all involved for their assistance.

Jeffrey, you are the kind of person no doubt, that probably complained after Columbine that the cops did not get right in there and stop that tragedy. If you run in without a plan, or an idea where the shooters are, you know what you get? Dead cops. What good is that?

In THIS case, they got there VERY fast, but the gas was slowing them down. Initial calls just said "shooting." It was the responders mentioning that there was gas present.

And do take a minute Jeffery and put the pieces together. The gas slowed the cops down, but meanwhile at his apartment....what if his building had blown up??? The downstairs neighbor said she almost opened his door when she went to complain about the loud music. That would have made a mess for one city's emergency crews responding to TWO HUGE incidents. HE PLANNED THIS TO BE AS HORRIBLE AS POSSIBLE.

Those cops could have TELEPORTED (yes, sarcasm to prove a point) Either way, this was not going to end well. It's what that nutjob wanted.

90 seconds is an amazing time, but you'd rather sit and bash the cops. Maybe YOU would like to volunteer to train to go in first?

The police stated they arrived within 90 seconds. However, I didn't find anything on how long it took to actually enter the theater. ???????????

It only took seconds for him to do all that damage. It would have took several armed people in the theatre to be able to react and terminate the shooter in action.

This news article is very misleading. The police were there in 90 seconds. Where they ran out of resources was with 60+ victims. Don't read something into the article that isn't there.

Thank you. I live in Aurora and police/fire/rescue did an amazing job. They received a deafening welcome at the vigil last night and WE in Aurora thank each of them for all that they did that night.

They need to keep gas masks IN THEIR VEHICLE TRUNKS. They're cheap, (I happen to have one) so they should be able to get some for around 10 bucks each. If they would have had those, they could have entered the building sooner instead of having to wait.

Due to shrinking local and state budgets, and federal dollars earmarked for first responders lying stagnant in Washington while Republicans and Democrats fight it out on Capital Hill is the primary reason so many police and fire departments are becoming understaffed and ill equipped to deal with situations like the one in Aurora. Over the last few years, states and municipalities have either laid off first responders, or allowed their ranks to dwindle through attrition. Cops and firefighter/paramedics are doing "more with less." Fewer first responders are covering larger areas of responsibility. Most people take our first responders for granted until something like this happens. The few still working do an excellent job. As the amount of first responders grows smaller, this will be a common occurrence. With the entire nation in a fiscal crisis, I don't have the answer to this. IMO, America needs to take care of home instead of sending billions abroad and worrying about massacres in places like Iraq and Syria. People right here in the US are being massacred. First responders here in America need to be made a bigger priority.

Because every city has enough cops to be at EVERY large public place AND do their normal neighborhood car patroling??? Get real. Why do you think malls and factories and larger businesses have their own security people? (Not that "rent-a-cop" could have stopped this, but for the usual little things...) The police cannot be everywhere at once. And if they WERE, the OTHER complainers would be screaming "Police state" or "Nanny state."

my husband was in a horrific car crash that killed his best friend and almost killed him it took a very long time to get him out of the car luckily the man behind him was a metal worker and cut the A frame which allowed the firemen to get him out faster also that mans wife was a nurse and she was able to help a little... but the true hero was the first fireman on the scene who personally cut my husband out and saved his life... First responders second responders last responders whatever they get there as fast as they can and they save lives there are not enough cops, ems, and firemen in the world to be able to respond within 10 seconds, but 90 seconds is very fast. Everyone needs to back off the cops they did their job wonderfully they put themselves at risk to save lives... The SOB who shot the people is who deserves the critcism DUH!!!

Self control would stop every crime there is and guns would be a byline except for those of us who like to just shoot for fun. Sadly the human condition will never allow this.

Hey cant stand ya.. so by arms .. where do you draw the line.. tanks? rocket launchers? f-22's? Ridiculous. This argument that if he wanted to kill he would kill by any means is bullshyte. He didnt choose to mass poison.. he didnt choose to bomb.. he didnt choose to use a knife or a sword.. HE HAD A FANTASY ABOUT KILLING A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE WITH GUNS.. not with a bomb. That was his fantasy. He wasnt interesting in using other means.. and the fact of the matter is.. a military style weapon makes it easy for him to kill large groups of people and be intimately involved with it. He wanted to see this happen. He wasnt a poison or bomb people from afar guy. OBVIOUSLY. Are you still talking about how knives are the same as military weapons like dozens of other NRA supporters. People can disarm or run from people with knives. And where are you heroes that are supposed to cowboy up and put these mass shooter cowards down. Where are your guns when they are needed. Having said that.. thats just what was needed in a crowded smoke filled theater against an armored gunman with a 100 round clip.. a crossfire (sarcasm). What is needed is ammunition, large magazine and military style weapon control and better back ground checks.

Too true, Raven. Aurora, Colorado is a pretty, scenic town, where they aren't really used to bad things happening, much less, bad things on a scale such as this. I tried to see how I would have handled such a horror had I been a dispatcher...I'm sure I would have been scratching my head in disbelief at what I was seeing and hearing.

OMG, Aurora is an armpit and everyone in Colorado knows it! You obviously don't live in Colorado.

Born and raised in Ft.Collins for 25 years. Aurora is pretty, it's Longmont that's god awful.

Lar-345817,I don't know what your background is,and I agree with most of your post,but if the scene was as confused as has been described I know that I would have had a hard time determining if I should shoot,who to shoot at,what is behind the target,because a trained person will think of those things before shooting.No I have never been in that situation but, yes I have been in gas chambers (22 years Army) and have been shooting different type of guns since I was about 6 years old. I have never pointed a gun at anything I did not intend to shoot,and the only time I ever shot at a human was when he shot at me first,then I waited till I saw his muzzle flash and knew that there were no friendlies near that I might hit.If as I have read in some reports the Colo.shooter had tear gas inside that movie theater everyone would have been blinded by the gas and firing a weapon could have added to the carnage without taking the shooter out.

Would you have a gas mask in your back pocket?

You poor thing...........you'll learn more.........someday.

Are you suggesting we all wear a gas mask to the movies from now on? I'll pass and just pack my guns. Don't worry though I'll save you even if you are a pessimistic moron. Comes with the territory.

Such bravado chipper...

I bet you walk through life HOPING AND LOOKING for people to shoot

Can you answer a simple question? Or would you like to pretend you would have been prepared for the events that transpired? We all know who has a lot to learn here.

I could disarm you lube up your gun and stick it up your a$$ before you knew what happened if I planned for it.

Ooops, I accidentally clicked "vote up." I certainly didn't mean to. >:(

I'm pretty sure that's what they are TRAINED to do. The exact reason, I'm not sure myself. But if it wasn't necessary or helpful, I'm pretty sure they'd be TRAINED differently.

But hey, if it bothers you that much, why don't you go find a dispatcher or responder and ask them yourself, before lableing them "kinda stupid."

ChestyPuller

I think it's more than your chest that you are pulling.

Chesty, you're REALLY stupid. I guarantee you could not handle doing what a 911 dispatcher does. Don't judge until you sit in their chair. You apparently watch too much TV because that's not really how it goes.

Back to the article...

GREAT JOB to the dispatchers and first responders! I'm sure the fast response by the dispatchers and first responders saved some lives!! There's no doubt that this will leave emotional and mental scars on them. Hopefully, knowing that they did the best they could in this horrible situation will help them heal faster. Again, great job! Way to remain calm and handle the pressure when all hell broke lose!

God bless everyone involved in this horrific, uncalled for tragedy!

Really? They did good??? A dozen killed and scores injured?

Law enforcement is just a bunch of report writers. They want to say "Protect and serve." They protect nobody.

Well Jim, until they isolate the "crazy homicidal shooter that has only ever had a speeding ticket so we don't know when he/she might crack" gene, and the cops learn to be psychic, sadly bad things might still occur.

We thank those who have to come in during and after a situation like this to take care of those who can still be saved.

So, Jim how many tickets or arrests? Or is just authority figures that bug you?