BTW, anyone care for some Boston Tea? I hear it's fresh, on its way to England, and tastes great when mixed with harbor water...

Do you really think that Thomas Jefferson or any of the Founding Fathers would have agreed that people should have that right? I didn't think so.

Do you really think that Thomas Jefferson or any of the Founding Fathers would have agreed that people should have the right to smash store window and start fires? I don't think so.

Cominform:

Fortunately for the people, we still have the Second Amendment.

Btw Cominform, I hope our military will have the courage to defend our Constitutional rights as opposed to governmental tyranny the same as you.

If only this whole event were truly about a stand against violence, a stand against police oppression, a stand against injustice.......IF ONLY!

Instead, it is merely the dregs of society showing their true colors and their true lacking of morals and brains. It is simply a place to be seen, and heard shouts of hey look at me while my dumb ass riots, and loots hard working people of what they worked for and earned.

Ignorance to the extreme!

Cominform. If the government is "oppressing" us, and taking away our freedom of speech, how come you are still able to post things like what you posted about the government, and not be locked away and tortured for the remainder of your life for saying it? Yes the constitution does guarantee us the right to PEACEFULLY assemble, but when, even if ONE person begins acting violent, it is no longer considered a peaceful protest, and is not protected under the Constitution. Not only that, but even if it is a peaceful protest, if it is infringing on the rights of other citizens, the government has the right to put a stop to it, in order to protect the rights of other citizens. In grade school, my teacher taught me something, it only takes one person to ruin it for everyone. That is what happened here, it is sad but true, and the police acted accordingly to protect the rights of everyone else.

You are on the wrong side here, seems you have a beef about he government? Well Ok, but this is not the crowd to hang with on that.

LNLogan:

1. The protest was peaceful until the police declared an unlawful assembly and ordered everyone to disburse. Then it became violent.

2. Exactly how were the protesters infringing on any one else's rights?

If the government is "oppressing" us, and taking away our freedom of speech, how come you are still able to post things like what you posted about the government, and not be locked away and tortured for the remainder of your life for saying it?

We've not become China, yet.

First off, LNLogan, I prescribe to the motto "Give me liberty or give me death", so the government locking me up and torturing me??? They wouldn't have much fun with a corpse. Secondly, in response to the idea that the government has the right to stop a PEACEFUL protest if it 'infringes on the rights of other citizens" I'd have to ask you where you got that. You see, when I was in GRAD school I learned that the Bill of Rights had this to say about it:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. (http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html)

Hmm, no mention of it being valid "unless it infringes on the rights of other citizens." Furthermore, what rights, specifically, would those be? The right to not have to see people exercise their rights?

You see, the concept of our rights is based in the fact that by natural law (See John Locke and Rousseau on this) our RIGHTS are bestowed upon us, not by government, but by our creator... who ever you believe that to be. My creators are my parents... Hi Mom! Other than that creator taking them away, government has not authority to subjectively suppress those rights without violating its own charter (the Constitution). So I guess, if the protest was a direct result of the police shooting an unarmed man then if you don't want protests and riots then address the root cause... police aggression and unaccountability. Oh yeah, you want to give up that right to redress because you've given the government control over your natural rights. Have fun with that.

It's time to rise up and stop the police state. I'm against violence...and against private property damage...but maybe we should be voting in people who will reduce the police state, end the racist drug war, end all tyrannies perpetrated under the guise of "safety", etc.

Stop electing run of the mill DemoCrips and RepubliBloods. Start electing those who are more anti-authoritarian....or get what you deserve; Fascism.

natural law (See John Locke and Rousseau on this)

i'd rather you see Lysander Spooner and Murray Rothbard on this, honestly. Locke was under the false assumption (disproved long after his death by anthropology) that without a state, we lived in violent chaos. We know now that only 3% of human civilzation - trade, voluntary govt, roads, defense, law, etc. - (the last 6,000 years) existed under a state (a non-voluntary govt funded via extortion, aka "tax"), as opposed to 97% of human civilization (the rest of the 200,000 years of trade, govt, law, etc) existing in a stateless (voluntary govt and market oriented) form.

Debi:

Why the China bashing when the issue is about American citizens protesting a controverial police killing and Anaheim police responding? Your hit-and-run style is disturbing.

Are you creating a new country, or just protecting some neighborhood drug turf? Is this a new ideal, or PTS from the Mexican American War? Where's James Madison in this argument? Are the Russians seeking equal access to territory on California's northern border?

Cominform said:

in response to the idea that the government has the right to stop a PEACEFUL protest if it 'infringes on the rights of other citizens" I'd have to ask you where you got that.

A law was signed earlier this year abridging the right of the people to assemble where they choose:

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Federal Restricted Buildings

and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011’’.

Section 1752 of title 18, United States Code, is amended to

read as follows:

‘‘(a) Whoever—

‘‘(1) knowingly enters or remains in any restricted building

or grounds without lawful authority to do so;

‘‘(2) knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the

orderly conduct of Government business or official functions,

engages in disorderly or disruptive conduct in, or within such

proximity to, any restricted building or grounds when, or so

that, such conduct, in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly

conduct of Government business or official functions;

‘‘(3) knowingly, and with the intent to impede or disrupt

the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions,

obstructs or impedes ingress or egress to or from any restricted

building or grounds; or

‘‘(4) knowingly engages in any act of physical violence

against any person or property in any restricted building or

grounds;

or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be punished as provided

in subsection (b).

‘‘(b) The punishment for a violation of subsection (a) is—

‘‘(1) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more

than 10 years, or both, if—

‘‘(A) the person, during and in relation to the offense,

uses or carries a deadly or dangerous weapon or firearm;

or

‘‘(B) the offense results in significant bodily injury as

defined by section 2118(e)(3); and

‘‘(2) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more

than one year, or both, in any other case.

‘‘(c) In this section—

‘‘(1) the term ‘restricted buildings or grounds’ means any

posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area—

‘‘(A) of the White House or its grounds, or the Vice

President’s official residence or its grounds;

‘‘(B) of a building or grounds where the President or

other person protected by the Secret Service is or will

be temporarily visiting; or

‘‘(C) of a building or grounds so restricted in conjunction

with an event designated as a special event of national

significance; and

‘‘(2) the term ‘other person protected by the Secret Service’

means any person whom the United States Secret Service is

authorized to protect under section 3056 of this title or by

Presidential memorandum, when such person has not declined

such protection.’’.

WallStFatCat:

If you read LNLogan's question @ #1.8:...

If the government is "oppressing" us, and taking away our freedom of speech, how come you are still able to post things like what you posted about the government, and not be locked away and tortured for the remainder of your life for saying it?

...Thus the reason for my China response, because as I'm sure you are aware, Chinese citizens have zero freedom of speech rights as opposed to the fragmented, but on a course to equal China, suppression of American citizens Constitutional right to freedom of speech.

Your hit-and-run style is disturbing.

Even more disturbing are those who criticize without reading/comprehending.

Cominform:

You see, the concept of our rights is based in the fact that by natural law (See John Locke and Rousseau on this) our RIGHTS are bestowed upon us, not by government, but by our creator... who ever you believe that to be. My creators are my parents... Hi Mom! Other than that creator taking them away, government has not authority to subjectively suppress those rights without violating its own charter (the Constitution).

I'm sure you can't have missed the passage, in December, of the NDAA for FY 2012. You also can't have missed the upcoming Enemy Expariation Act, which will allow the government to strip you of your citizenship if you're suspected of engaging in or advocating hostility against the US government. And then there's the Restricted Grounds act I quoted above.

I will tell you from personal, first-hand experience that the only rights you have are the ones the government lets you have. If they decide to take away your rights, there is nothing you can do about it.

The government has been violating the Constitution for years, but it's been done quietly and against a marginalized portion of our society and in the name of national security. But in recent years, with the monetary opportunities inherent in these rights violations, it's becoming more widespread and the net is tightening around a much larger portion of our society.

Some protesters threw patio chairs through the windows of a Starbucks

If they are destroying business and creating chaos, they need to be stopped. They have NO RIGHT to attack others. The police did the right thing.

I have no idea on the protests but i do know that just because a suspect doesn't have a gun doesn't mean the police having to shoot him isn't justified. If you catch up to a suspect and he's fighting if it's a choice between shooting him or possibly losing your gun you shoot. In any confrontation there's a 50/50 chance the cop isn't as tough as the criminal.

Slums???, This was my neighborhood, and rather than a slum it is a mixed neighborhood of apartments, condos, and sfh ranging in value from $378k to $550k. This took place between an elementary school and a junior high school. It was in the afternoon that the Anaheim PD decided that the families with small children sitting on the lawn needed to be taught a lesson in respect when they starting shooting rubber bullets at a rapid pace and at close range at people on the ground, and concluded with a young boy being carried away unconscious by his family and friends. The dog didn't just get loose, but was let loose by his handler who did little to nothing to stop him from terrifying a young mother on the ground holding an infant, or a young man sitting next to her. This doesn't even take into account the fact that the PD chased down a man and then shot him dead. Anaheim PD treats its non-white population like terrorists. The list of misdeeds is long, but since they don't involve a white man, it goes without comment. Need proof, just look at what happened at nearby Fullerton PD. Kill a white man, go to jail; kill a non-white, get a high five. Why does an elected government turn its' back on its' citizens? Why do the white and the wealthy get a second, third and fourth chance, but the poor and non-white get shot in the back before they get even a first chance. If you want to see the video that most damaging to the police you have to go to You tube and find Christ Brown at KCAL the night of the incident that on show the police trying to buy videos of the violent

The police are not perfect but responding with violence toward the general public (smashing windows and starting fires) is not justified....are you really confortable with all of the violence the gangs are bringing to your communities? Stop fighting the police/society and fight criminal activity in general.

I don't have a dog in this hunt,but it seems as if all some folks and you know who you are, care about is

materialism BS and not trying to understand other peoples point of view. I see the ignorant racist on here

bad mouthing the people, I'll bet they didn't say crazy racist crap about the low life dude who shot several

folks down in Auburn Al, and then there's the good guy from Colorado that I know you seen all over the

media, you are now becoming the minority and when all of those kids grow up, who do you think will be in

charge and running this place. And I am a DISABLED WAR VET and support these people, stop worrying

about material crap and try to get alone with others.

With liberty and justice for some.

Okay I get the fact that the Anaheim PD went too far with the first protest group where they fired rubber bullets and a K9 was let loose. However, apparently gang thugs are running amok in Anaheim and the police responded to that threat, included responding to one who fled from them and fired at them (fleeing and eluding is a felony crime in most states these days). That's what the original group was protesting peacefully against.

This nation is rapidly spiraling out of control with mass store flash mobbing where hundreds of teens and young adults mob a store and loot it taking whatever they want (most recent was one in a Wal Mart in Jacksonville, FL. We are seeing more and more "hit 'em and drop 'em" attacks on innocent citizens by violent young thugs, many of whom aren't even in gangs. That's a "game" teens play where someone walks up to a victim and knocks him or her out with a punch while another perp records it on video and then it's posted on a FB page or wherever. In the recent case of a 62 year old grandfather who was killed, the perp robs him too.

So let's just sit back and do nothing folks. America is rapidly turning into one mass Gotham City. You've got people calling for guns to be banned from all US citizens after the Colorado movie theater tragedy too. So the cops can't do their jobs, and the people can't protect themselves anymore either. Let's just let the criminals run amok in America and accept it as the New Normal as the current administration loves to call our failed economic times it clearly doesn't have a clue how to fix.

And if I were any of those business owners whose store was attacked, I'd close up shop permanently and move elsewhere. Of course, as an intelligent and independent person, I'd have left Kalifornia a long time ago if I were ever unfortunate enough to have found myself out there in the first place. Talk about one massive failing social experiment in liberalism.

Come on, people. They identified him as a gang member which pretty much means he got what he signed up for. He chose the life all by himself and that's that. He knew what he was getting into, no sympathy here. The only good gang member is a dead gang member. They don't contribute to society, they bleed it, take from it and abuse it. P!ss on all of them. Get rid of the gangs in places like Aneheim, Compton and Oakland and we won't need as many police.

What the crap, you couldn't take the Marines so you went to the Navy, the Army?

Then put your military record up if you're going to attack his. Unless you don't have a military record to defend.

To serve in multiple branches is no small feat. I was only able to accomplish two of them.

Also, the Marines and the Navy are very closely tied together.

I know nothing about this young man but I'll put a dollar to a dime that he had a bad reputaion and a history with Law Enforcment.

Whether this is true are not, you seem to place all your confidence in assumptions.

Makes perfect sense, angry at the cops, destroy other people’s property, yep, take it out on someone who had nothing to do with it.

Never mind what really might have happened, let's destroy property, cost the insurance company's money, then we can blame them for higher prices, and blame the cops for our acting stupid.

Ah the good old American way.

Forum,

The same people don't realize that the police in Anaheim have entered similar conditions as the national guard in Kent State on May 4, 1970. They, like that Ohio National Guard are being pressed to keep peace in a continual uproar of citizens. The more pressure the community and criminals apply, the more mistakes are going to happen. Remember, everytime a police officer shoots a weapon, it is because they believed their life to be in danger. They too, would like to go home to a spouse and children at the end of a shift.

This is one worn out police force and the citizen's behavior is making it worse, not better.

"Hit and run" worked for Genghis Khan. Sure his opponents qq and complained about it, but who won those battles?

The police only blocked off the building once it reached MAXIMUM CAPACITY, which is set by the fire department, marshal, or whatever the position is called. I do not understand what those 5 businesses had to do with the shootings though? Why not throw the chair at the police if you are going to do something, or do you lack the marbles?

And yes the laws have changed so that "peacefully assembling" is no longer legal in some cases. How else do you think they got rid of all the OWS protests besides bending laws? Don't forget to get your protest permit...lol. Amazing our elected representatives have no problems passing laws that take away our freedoms, but cannot do anything else right. Could it be that it strengthens their power and ensures their safety, hmm I wonder?

Most likely a gang banger, good bye adios mucha

An Ananheim cop, shot an unarmed man in the back! I don't blame these people for seeking a little justice!!!!

@cominform, What the crap, you couldn't take the Marines so you went to the Navy, the Army? Your are nothing more than a crybaby, snot nosed, crumb grabbing, rug rat.

What a completely unintelligible, asinine and utterly sophmoric response. This nullifies anything else you might have said. Perhaps in the future you could find some substantive fact and data to support your 'opinion'?

If you have a point to make then make it. Do your parents even know you're posting on adult forums?

Cominform did a good job, quoting the First Amendment without, apparently, reading it or understanding it.

"The government shall make no law respecting .... the right of the people to peaceably assemble ...."

As soon as a window was broken, or someone was struck by a rock or bottle, the assembly was no longer peaceable. I support the Constitution, but this riot is not the poster boy for Constitutional rights or freedoms.

The way I read it is; the cops showed up to keep more protesters from getting into an already over capacity City Council meeting which was addressing the very issue the protest was about. The behavior of protesters & Cops was uncalled for.

On the other hand the investigation was calling for top echelon agencies. Wonder where Eric Holder will fit in? When will Jesse & Al show up? If you ain't White, you ain't right. It has been that way since the Europeans invaded this multi-cultural continent centuries ago.

What's to stop the police from sending in a few "Decoys" to cause a little bit of trouble? Then they get to break apart this "Peace Disturbance" and beat the crap out of people too...

If you consider the whites, the cops, they to be the enemy and others to be your own, learn to do different because that will always cause a problem. If you just do what the cops say and get the liberal press involved later, none would be gassed or hurt. If you try to make a statement by ruining property that is not yours or damaging stuff that's not yours or hurting others who have nothing to do with your beef, you'll make attitudes even worse. If you violently stand up for any and all of your own be they nice or nasty, saints or sinners, you and your own will end up beaten up, in jail, maybe in immigration jail, maybe back where you after all, belong. Either become one of us or--our house, our rules.

I don't know about everyone else on here, but the minute I saw in the article that the guy killed was a "known gang member," I pretty much stopped reading. One less gang-banger on the streets, so I give kudos to the police.

Of course, if this gang-banger loser and his three friends didn't run from the cops, the punk might still be alive today. My question is: why did they run? Oh, I forgot: it's not "P.C." to ask such questions, right?

A gang member gets shot and killed by the police, and idiots turn out in droves to protest. And when they're told that the council chamber in which hearings are being held about the shooting has reached it's capacity, they react like the spoiled brats that they are and destroy public property. Yet if the tables were turned and the punk killed a cop, you'd see nary an assembly anywhere. Ah yes, what a country this has become.

And to the moron who claims to be a military man in the first post on here: if you truly are (or were) in the military and are an example of what populates our military, even in a small sample, then our country is truly doomed.

google mexian drug cartel beheading 2011 to see what these mexican gangs, who are controlled by the drug cartels, are bringing to America. WARNING its not pretty and its coming to a neighborhood near you. Just ask the folks in Phoenix. And these idiots are going to smash things to defend these gang bangers? Next thing you know they'll be rioting because the police stood back and did nothing to protect them. All the more reason for closed borders and enforcement of immigration laws ALREADY ON THE BOOKS. The police should have done an ID check and arrested everyone without proper ID.

from the first report it looks as if, the police officers involved in the killing of a unarmed person, were wrong and cost a citizen his life; let the system investigate the shoot; have the D.A>, prosecute the officers, if found guilty put them in Jail; BUT DO NOT, take mob justice to the streets and destroy other peoples property, protest is the American way, destruction of others property is not the American way; frustration of government is growing nation wide, the system can still work, give it a chance.

Cominform, #1 and others of yours- EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Them are some of the BEST and MOST SUCCINCT INTELLIGENT posts I've ever read on this continued, perpetual "Politically-spun-to-be" Chicken or Egg Conundrum NON-SUBJECT. (And by PROVOCATION BEFORE "THE" OPPRESSION)

Go Cominform!!! Go Cominform!!! GO!!! gO!!! Go!!!!

Cominform, #1 and others of yours- EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Them are some of the BEST and MOST SUCCINCT INTELLIGENT posts I've ever read on this continued, perpetual "Politically-spun-to-be" Chicken or Egg Conundrum NON-SUBJECT. (And by PROVOCATION BEFORE "THE" OPPRESSION) Protest turns violent or IS DRIVEN to turn violent?

Go Cominform!!! Go Cominform!!! GO!!! gO!!! Go!!!!

AND OF COURSE YOUR FIRST COMMENT IS NOW COLLAPSED!!!!!

denver bill 2 - Seems you're forgetting that it also states in the Constitution that at times there will be the need for civil disobedience, violence, and unrest in this country or in specific places. It also says that this is perfectly acceptable.

So a window being broken falls into that category. Next time you should do some more reading and comprehension before spouting. Thanks for playing.

John Doe,

You are confusing the Constitution with the Declaration of Independence, but thank you for playing.

Throw a chair through the window where I am sitting and see how far your "rights" go.

Wait...so when the cops shoot a known gang member it is OK for the public to riot and bust up local businesses.

I have not seen too many occasions when a known gang member shoots an innocent that have led to rioting by the public and vandalism of local taquerias, tiendas, casas de crack, etc.

Double standard, I guess. Is this the new law that comes along with the culture? Gang bangers are supposed to be left alone to do whatever they want, police are not supposed to be pro-active in PREVENTING eight-year-old girls from being shot in the head? BS. The people in the 'hood cry that the police are not doing enough when some innocent kid is collateral damage in a drive-by. But then they go all "O.J.-supportive" when one of the thugs from their 'hood gets capped by a cop.

F--k Trayvon!

opportunistic. by the cowardly officers and also by they low life's who think they are ventitled to do what ever they feel like, and act like representatives for the rest of us American citizens. Well, to both: sit down shut up and start behaving like civilized humans. NO we do not want druggies, gang members, etc. representing us on the street in protest, so stop, your acting like fools and giving the government reason to strip everyone of their rights...

Learn to protest correctly and you MIGHT get heard....but to be outright hoodlums and criminals...no, not acceptable. Both parties don't deserve an American Constitution backing. Period. Both parties, are nothing but instinctive animals who obviously have no business doing the enforcement or the animal-like protest...we not Mexico or any other country. We have process and yeah, its against us, but its the only way to earn respect from your fellow citizens.

This is just a bunch of Mexicans crying about their illegal Mexican gang-banging brother being shot down with good reason. Notice how msnbc doesn't report on why the Mexican was being chased in the first place or what altercations took place between the time the officer caught up to him and the time when the Mexican was shot; msnbc also doesn't report on the fact that the "victim" was Mexican and probably illegal (judging from where he lives). Why doesnt msnbc report on these necessary facts? Because msnbc is too damn liberal and wants to protect these types of people from gaining a bad image. Msnbc wants to paint the picture that our government/police are the evil ones tortoring innocent citizens and that the people are the ones suffering by it. When in reality msnbc feels it neccessary to hide the truth to protect it's own hidden agenda. I am a conservative and all for protecting the rights provided for in the Constitution, but there was no Constitutional right violated in this instance. A sad thing that a man lost his life, no doubt, but he shouldn't have been in to whatever trouble he was in that he felt he had to flee the police.

roadlesstraveled...I agree. It is a difficult job for the police. The example set by the classless, zero-moral, degenerate base of people from Mexico, Greece, the Middle-East is difficult to overcome. Besides, we are talking about the lowest common denominator: the uneducated masses following crowd mentality.

Yes, we need to rise above and prove that we ARE the evolved society that we claim to be. We are the most evolved country in the world...why don't we act like it? Because we are overly liberal with the interpretation of rights..we need to stop when the rights of the innocent are taken away senselessly by the morally depraved and criminal elements. Swift justice. No prison reform.

We need to stem the tide of illegal immigration. Tell me there is not a significant element that plays close to this incident. Hispanic gang member killed by police. Tremendous support, albeit low-class rioting, by the local public (read Hispanic Community). It's getting away from us, folks. Someone above mentioned that the future government will run by the majority...well, the majority in California is Hispanic (legal or not) NOW. Scary...not because they are Hispanic, but rather because they are comprised of uneducated, crowd-mentality, "I want it now - screw the process" people seeking their "fair share". Rome IS burning.

All I see are jackboot Nazi Pigs once again pushing the people of a City that will implode if they keep it up.

Anaheim Pigs, Fullerton Pigs they do this to themselves 8(

shooting an unarmed man is never a good thing even if he is a gangster.

shooting at women and children and letting lose the dogs that attack a child is completely unacceptable and will be frowned on by the general public and most Americans.

Law enforcement needs to get their heads out of their asses and start acting like cops not Nazi's

RIP Kelly Thomas justice will hopefully be served cold to the pigs who murdered you

John Doe said;

at times there will be the need for civil disobedience, violence, and unrest in this country or in specific places. It also says that this is perfectly acceptable.

Not anymore.

Lawful acts of civil disobedience is now on Homeland Security's list of possible terrorism indicators. have look at the list below, taken from a 15-page memo put out by DHS on what is now considered terrorism in this country.

Alternative media

Anarchist extremism

Animal rights extremism

Anti-abortion extremism

Anti-immigration extremism

Anti-technology extremism

Aryan prison gangs

Black bloc

Black nationalism

Black power

Black separatism

Christian Identity movement

Cuban independence extremism

Decentralized terror movement

Denial-of-service attacks

Direct action (including lawful acts of civil disobedience)

Environmental extremism

Ethnic extremism

Extremist groups

Green anarchism

Hacktivism (technology-enabled social/political activism)

Hate groups

Jewish extremism

Leaderless resistance

Left-wing extremism

Lone terrorists

Mexican separatists

Militia Movements (including conspiracy theorists)

Neo-Nazis

Patriot Movement

Phineas Priesthood

Primary targeting(directly supporting/funding terrorists)

Puerto Rican independence extremists

Radical Norse mysticism practitioners (Odinists)

Racialists

Right-wing extremists

Single-issue/multiple issue extremist groups

Skinheads whose ‘dress may include shaved head/short hair, jeans, thin suspenders, combat boots or Doc Martens and a bomber jacket’

Sovereign citizen movement

Tax resistance movement

Violent anti-war extremism

Violent religious sects (includes those who stockpile food and weapons)

White Nationalists

White Power advocates

White Supremacists

I will say that while a majority of these I do agree with, there are some I don't. Alternate media, lawful acts of civil disobedience, conspiracy theorists,people who stockpile food, Odinists (when was the last time someone blew up a building 'In the Name of the AllFather Odin'? as a practicing pagan, I know a few--they are more interested in their annual Viking war re-enactments than in bombs!)

Once again people protesting as a reaction, Do something real! get that same mob assembled and go to the source of the problem and protest! the criminals hangouts,homes, wherever the thugs assemble. then you will be proactive. would'nt that be a hoot if 200 people were outside a gangs haunt and started chanting get out of our neighborhood! When will the injustice screamers be part of the solution?

So it's ok for illegal gang members to terrorize these neighborhoods and when they get shot it's oh the poor picked on Mexicans ! WTF !!?? Get rid of ALL the gangs in Ca. ! Deport them now save our cities for the people who are here to better themselves !

the terriost arent the problem. its the anahiem police. these protesters cant even kill a the police yet police can kill citizens over and over again. what is going on in california? atleast the ppl of cali protest unlike the rest of the lazy nation but this is not working out at all. from the osacar grant to the kelly thomas story, cops around the nation are criminals but the cops in california are worse then terriost literally.

Known Gang Member, makes you wonder who is protesting

denver bill 2 - Sorry, I have a job so I can't continually monitor each response to my comment however, it would seem you still didn't learn. See, it actually does lay out provisions for civil disobedience in the Constitution. Also, since you brought up the Declaration of Independence - that is just as much apart of this nations foundation as the Constitution is. In fact, the Constitution is specifically built to allow those events to happen again and for us citizens "the people" to fall back to the Declaration if we feel it is necessary. So while they are two separate documents, they are actually two pieces of the same ideology and law that this nation is built upon.

Again, thanks for playing.

Too bad ICE wasn't on hand to round them all up

For all you people quoting the Constitution and the right to assemble, I think your stupid. No other word works better for it. Do you really think our Founding Fathers even had one iota of what the future would be like, having to deal with the murdering in just about every city of our country today, all related to gangs and drugs.

Big Al, pigs pushing a city to implode if they keep it up. That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. People tend to forget that when it comes to solving crimes police officers most times need witnesses. Citizens need to do their part as well.

Cominfrom, oh yes, people have the right to assemble; but why is it they never assemble for people to come forward to help solve the crimes, the gang problems. Jesse and Al always seem to appear when an "injustice" has occurred. Why don't they "assemble" in an area where there is such gang violence and work with the police and the citizens to get it cleaned up? Assemble for something for the greater good, to make things better, to give people a reason not to be afraid to come forward.

Cominfrom, you talk of speaking to vets. How about speaking to police officers who have been injured on their job? One thing I try to remember is not every vet speaking on these boards has actually seen battle; I being one of them. Members of the branches of our service fight abroad. Our police officers deal with our own citizens or lately illegal immigrants. And at one point in time, our servicemen were spit on and treated like @!$%# in this country. Just wondering if you were one of those people?

It's not the right to assemble, it's the right to PEACEFULLY assemble. Anaheim citizens had every right to peacefully protest a series of Police incidents that included the alleged use of excessive force, but they DO NOT have the right to destroy property.

There is NO right to riot !!

VIDEO OF POLICE USING FORCE WITH CHILDREN IN CROWD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=gh6CzSd-BSk&NR=1

Tyler;
Takin' Names and kicking butt!!
You mods must have your hands full some days..

The Liberal Democrats reap what they sow , only this is also Obama's income redistribution !!!

So this is what has become of the last of the OCCUPY crowd. You know if all you really wanted to do was protest something, all this mob has to do is go over to Syria or China and do their thing. Oh I guess I forgot, over there you would be looking for help from the very police presence you are now protesting.....

Kind of hard to have it both ways aint it?

And to Dave above, this very same video could rightfully be renamed to : COWARDLY MOB HIDES ITSELF WITHIN A WALL OF CHILDREN! Afterall, this is exactly what Sadam, Iran, North Korea, and Lybia does too.

John Doe,

Since you know that the Declaration of Independence is separate from the Constitution, perhaps we can examine them as distinct documents. The Declaration of Independence was addressed to King George III, and enumerated a list of grievances before the declaration that the Colonies were splitting away from England. Had the rioters in Anaheim listed their grievances and renounced their allegiance to the government, including the right to welfare, Social Security, etc., I might entertain their right to violence. But they didn't.

That leaves the Constitution. If you can point me to the place in the Constitution that justifies violent protest I will bow to your superior intellect. Good luck.

@tucker

Really think it's a dumb comment you must not remember the Riots back in 1992 8) they pushed a community and guess what they pushed back and hard. The cops were overwhelmed and the city of LA Burned.

Law Enforcement needs to do there job and professionally with integrity, shooting into a crowd of women and children does not sound professional and the integrity just went out the window.

Smashing Kelly Thomas to Death doesn't sound like Professional behavior.

I grew up in OC and I know first hand how Anaheim, Brea and Fullerton Cops behave like wild Nazi Thugs with huge ego's but Orange County Sheriffs these guys have class not sure why though probably better leadership and pride.

"The tensions flared after police shot and killed a man on Saturday afternoon." and not so funny the straw that broke the camels back is .......Anaheim Police Fire At Women And Childr… children and women. This is not okay in America .

It all started over police shootings. At the council meeting the hall was full and they were showing violance trying to get into an overpacked building. When told there was no more room it became violant. Sometimes it pays to read and watch what is going on.

Sometimes it pays to read and watch what is going on.

Pat, it's even better to witness it yourself, in person. I would've hoped you already knew to take the media's biased reporting with only a grain of salt; and not just pertaining to this incident, but with everything. If you believe everything you're spoon fed by the media, you'll never be aware of the truth.

Rome is burning for sure, im glad heroes like ambulance divers and paremedics and firemen have not lost their role we still do have some heroes, so many innocent lives taken for no reason the president of USA should get involved and stop this NOW, i have not read stories of bike gangs doing crimes like this these stories are in the news everyday guess it touches home only when its your son or daughter that gets murdered

the president of USA should get involved and stop this NOW

The President is part of the problem...he advanced the police state more than his tyrant predecessor...and the same can be said for almost all Presidents.

the president of USA should get involved and stop this NOW

For what reason? Because California can not handle a tiny bit of violence?

Why should the President be bothered with changing diapers when California has all the resources needed to handle this? If California is that strapped for guidance, then maybe the government should be removed and Marshall Law installed. Would that suit you better?

Careful what you wish for.

Most time the press is on the side of the protestors. But the reporters aren't fools or thugs. You guys were violent, destructive and wrong.

Let me get this straight. Someone is shot by the police, so the people throw a chair through a starbucks window?

How does that make any sense?

Lots of stupid people in Cali

What this article does not tell you is that these police opened fire with rubber bullets on a crowd with children, and turned a police dog on a woman with an infant in her arms.

With so many comments ignorantly supporting such police action, it is no wonder that Rome is burning. We are helping them light the fire.

you got video of that MorganS?

Morgan - That is just not true... The police fired rubber bullets into a crowd that was turning violent and that for some strange reason some very bad parents thought it might be a good idea to bring their children along. You make it sounds as if the police were raving lunatics shooting into some peaceful protest of people singing love songs. Nope, the crowd was turning violent.

But of course in your world even the worst criminals are hero's if they are striking a blow for your idea of social justice. Of course that blow has been against innocent people like shop owners. But maybe that Starbucks was part of the 1 percent. And the kids who worked there, or who wont be working there today because of the damage are part of the 1 percent? Or maybe that hard working dad who just wanted a cup of coffee in the morning is part of the 1 percent! Or maybe, well maybe you r ignorance is just blissfully enough that you cant paint any terrible act into a picture of humane loveliness so long as it suits your agenda.

Let's see. 5 people shot dead by the Anaheim police so far this year. That's a cakewalk compared to officer involved shootings in Jacksonville, FL. Down here, they shoot babies, process servers......you name it, they've shot it. Or kill citizens with police vehicles. And since they "police" themselves, rarely are they held accountable for their actions. Additionally, I have to say that I was amazed after reading the comments posted here. RELATIVELY civil. If the dead man and the protesters were black people, the posts would have been in the thousands and full of those good old redneck ravings. Interesting.

@Joy

Before people say "shouldn't bring kids to a protest" or any other remarks like that, this was private property. People had every right to have their kids there:

sorry it won't let me post a link. Look up "ANAHEIM POLICE SHOOT AT WOMEN AND CHILDREN, UNLEASH K-9 ATTACK DOG" on youtube.

Not a big surprise, this is California where they do this when the Lakers win.

NYMike

Marshall Law? Try Martial Law.

I mean really, who cares? it was only a gang-banger, its not as though the police shot a real human

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOx0az9vWko

Here is the video.

The police are the ones who escalated this to violence. You can accuse me of ignorance all that you want, and yet all of you ignorantly support a status quo that will eventually, if left to its current course turn upon you. It is inevitable, and you will be accountable for far more "irresponsibility" than those who brought their children to a protest.

@ wtf

There is a big difference between having a right to have your kids on private property and basic common sense. If I'm with my kids and the area gets tense, I'm moving my kids to safety BEFORE it turns violent!

And as for all this rage over 5 shootings, at least two of them were reported in the article as gang related. If these cops are chasing down a known gang and they know there is a high chance of getting shot themselves of course there going to have a itchy trigger finger. My Grandpa always used to say " If you hang out with the coyotes, when the chickens come missing your going to get shot!". But that's right, you think its some kind of constitutional right to do what ever you want in California.

@Debi, When capacity is reached at City Hall and people are told that no one else can go in the building, how is it that the police are infringing on the protesters constitutional rights ? I think ICE should have been brought in to check for green cards and work permits, that would have dispursed the crowd (but that wouldn't have been politically correct, especially in the sanctuary state of California). San Andreas fault, do your job and dump that bastian of liberals and illegals into the Pacific. Good riddance.

And we think that the government in Syria has no right to be violent with armed insurrection...

I watched the video.

The dog was not set on anyone as you stated. It got away from it's handler, who is seen running over frantically grabbing the collar to regain control of the dog.

opportunistic. by the cowardly officers and also by they low life's who think they are entitled to do what ever they feel like, and act like representatives for the rest of us American citizens. Well, to both: sit down shut up and start behaving like civilized humans. NO we do not want druggies, gang members, etc. representing us on the street in protest, so stop, your acting like fools and giving the government reason to strip everyone of their rights...

Learn to protest correctly and you MIGHT get heard....but to be outright hoodlums and criminals...no, not acceptable. Both parties don't deserve an American Constitution backing. Period. Both parties, are nothing but instinctive animals who obviously have no business doing the enforcement or the animal-like protest...we not Mexico or any other country. We have process and yeah, its against us, but its the only way to earn respect from your fellow citizens.

We have to realize that the people are raising their collective voices across the nation and the privileged class is getting nervous. The police were dressed in riot gear. That says a lot of how far our country has come away from the constitution. I wasn't there so I can not speak of this incident, but as a lawful protestor, I understand what cops in riot gear means and it is not good or peaceful!

nymike,

"For what reason? Because California can not handle a tiny bit of violence?

Why should the President be bothered with changing diapers when California has all the resources needed to handle this?"

Well maybe because he got into a diaper changing conflict with a police sergeant and an overly self-important professor. Remember that one?

husker,

People are raising their collective VOICES. The key word in your response is voices. That word does not require riot gear but physical confrontation does. It's not always the police that cause these problems unless you're a left-wing liberal who believes that everything is started by the police or the government.

I recently moved from Anaheim closer to the beach. I am very glad. It is sad to see that there is so much anger at the police, but none at the gang members who are creating this mess in the first place. Yesterday at the courthouse in Santa Ana, they found an Anaheim gang member guilty of killing execution style another (unarmed) gang member. I didn't see an article about the protest on that gang member's front lawn, and I won't hold my breath on it either. Priorities, people....

ProIndividual-3906907

the president of USA should get involved and stop this NOW

The President is part of the problem...he advanced the police state more than his tyrant predecessor...and the same can be said for almost all Presidents.

Care to explain your comment and perhaps back it up? Or are you just going to puke it out there for us to consume.

huskergal, I see riot gear as a warning not to get stupid. When the Republican convention was in St. Paul 4 years ago, most the the police officers had riot gear on to protect themselves from morons.

The crowds that didn't get out of control, they did nothing, but when the crowds started getting out of control they stepped in.

Hey if you don't want to get shot with rubber bullets, don't put yourself in the position to get shot. It is pretty simple.

I work in downtown St. Paul and I seen plenty of families protesting but when the morons got out of hand, they packed up their families and left because they weren't there for violence they were there to peacefully protest.

Rome is not burning, that is just a dumster lit on fire by some of these peaceful protestors that probably aren't even citizens. You start throwing rocks and bottles at officers then YOU are the violent out of control people in the wrong. The guy who got shot was a gang banger that ran from cops and these idiots are acting like he didn't have it coming. At least I didn't see any children in sponge bob t-shirts forced to hold thier poorly written protest signs today, although I'm sure some of them brought thier children to this chaotic scene again.

morgan s,

"What this article does not tell you is that these police opened fire with rubber bullets on a crowd with children, and turned a police dog on a woman with an infant in her arms."

So what you're telling the reading audience is that it is OK to bring childern to a "event" such as this? It is OK to hide behind a child? The incident in and of itself is voiltile enough that any person with half a brain could forsee the possibilily of violence ocurring and that maybe, just maybe, children should have been left home? When in the hell are the "people" or perpetrators going to take responsibility for their own actions?

When will people stop using excuses for their actions?

Richard,
Had it been City Hall, I would agree, but the protest looks like it was in front of residential buildings, in a residential section of town.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOx0az9vWko

Anaheim Police Fire At Women And Childr… just so we are clear on what some of you condone.

Joel, tell that to the citizens of Chicago.

Anaheim was among six California cities with a population over 100,000 that saw the biggest spikes in violent crime in 2011, according to an analysis of FBI crime data released last month.

A percentage of that violence was law enforcement initiated.

Mr. Diaz was killed by an Anaheim police officer because he ran from being questioned by them. Is that the level of justification for killing this country has come to?

Mayor Tom Tait had called on Monday for a state and federal review of the shooting of the man, a suspected gang member.

Authorities love to add their "suspicions" in order to paint the victim as deserving to be killed. Even if he was a "gang member", since when does that justify this killing? There are many "gang members" who do much worse to society than run away from being questioned, but because they wear a white collar and belong to a country club, are treated with kid gloves instead of a bullet in the back and head.

Authorities love to add their "suspicions" in order to paint the victim as deserving to be killed.

It will take quite a major spin from the cops to say that the cop who murdered him knew that he was a gang member before he even talked with him. Running away from oppression, especially from testosterone filled cops trying to show how macho they are, does not deserve the death penalty.

Until the cops start proving that they have no malicious intent, it would be wise for anyone with a working brain to be as leery of them as you would be of a known violent gang. No cop should be able to get away with the same or worse violence than they accuse the criminals of.

It is time for an independent and anonymous citizens grand jury to investigate all police shootings and have the authority to recommend severe punishment for any police crimes. More citizens will die needlessly unless there is full accountability for this type of questionable shooting under the excuse of authority.

Pat G, go tell the unarmed citizens of NYC who get shot multiple times by the NYPD who they fear.....that is if you have a Ouija board handy, because most of them are dead.

Ty Joel, for the needed sarcasm when it comes to statists who believe a monopoly on force is not going to end inevitably like this.

Well it seems as though it is left out in the story about the suspect fled was shot in the leg then shot in the head "execution style". They also seem to have omitted what I saw in a live stream last night which was unprovoked police firing these rubber bullets, even once at a person holding his hands in the air trying to show his press credentials.

Raaad.. do you have a link? I won't just take your word for it. Just like I don't take the media's word for it. So if your gonna claim something please back it up with a link.

We dont know what happened with that incident. A cop shot a boy who was running away. The cop no doubt acted poorly. But then again why was the kid running away? Before we all start rioting and hurting more and more innocent people lets get the facts straight. He may have been running because he was a stupid kid... He may have been running to warn his gang buddies... He may have been running because he had a tiny amount of pot on his person... But either way he was confronted by the police and his first reaction was to run which is a suspicious act to anyone involved...

What should happen... The officer should be investigated as should the actual incident.... If he acted inappropriately then he should be terminated or even face harsher punishment, up to jail time.

What should not happen? Riots, damage of public property, bringing children into potentially dangerous protests, taunting the police, throwing things at the police, harassing people who are not involved...

Man with all the bickering that is going on I am glad someone can use reason. Thanks Candlewycke. Why do people feel the need to destroy other peoples property for no other reason than to satisfy their own self needs for destruction. Seems every time there is an issue with the police the rioters go out and satisfy their destructive needs by destroying innocent peoples places of business. If they are so hell bent on making their point go to the police station and throw chairs though those window. World full of idiots and common sense has become the minority.

next time the protest i hope they bring guns and have a fair fight ,,,this is wrong and the cops know it ..it will be covered up unless they fight back ,,,guns against guns...it time we take them out... see how they like it and their families..

No, Debi, he was not shot because he ran. He was shot because after he stopped running he thought it was a good idea to ignore the intructions of the policeman to put his hands behind his head. Instead, he started to move his arms around in a manner that would suggest he was going for a weapon. Get it straight and quit stirring the pot with your lies.

At least four agencies are involved in or are expected to join the investigation, including the U.S. Attorney's office, the State Attorney General, the Anaheim Police Department's Officer of Internal Affairs and -- as is usual for officer-involved shootings -- the Orange County District Attorney's Office.

Does anyone really think these agencies are really going to "investigate"? They will be part of the cover up....most likely at the request of the US governemtn...in order to support the UN gun treaty! However, this abuse of police power...even worse, these rogue police criminals are the very reason of the 2nd amendment! These protesters should organize, and get their owns snipers!

norm-791,

"...next time the protest i hope they bring guns and have a fair fight..."

That statement is perhaps one of the stupidest remarks made. Answer this - just where will that lead, peaceful coexistance?

mqira,

"Does anyone really think these agencies are really going to "investigate"? They will be part of the cover up....most likely at the request of the US governemtn...in order to support the UN gun treaty! However, this abuse of police power...even worse, these rogue police criminals are the very reason of the 2nd amendment! These protesters should organize, and get their owns snipers!"

And ANOTHER stupid, really stupid comment!

maybe the posters to whom you refer are trying to levitate the consciousness of your basic NRA member. sort of "put the shoe on the other foot" concept. I also ask the question to raise the question of whether we should have a peaceful solution or a gunfight. This situation in Anaheim and Aurora is the perfect storm for provoking reasonable consideration of the 'right to bear arms'. what result do we want and how do we get there?

Given the way the citizens are 'protesting with violence' makes one side with the police. Are not the protestors showing by example what the police are dealing with on a day to day basis? The protestors are not just protesting against the 'actions' of the police but they in turn are vandalizing busnesses that have no connection with the police. Why if you are innocent of any wrong doing do you run away, that is the behavior of someone who has something to hide and the citizens expect the police to wait until they are shot to determine that what is being hidden is not a weapon? The only issue I have with the shooting is that the individual was shot to death as opposed to being injured, but being injured would not stop one from shooting the officer if they are armed unless they get shot in the arm, who is that good of a shot that you can hit a specific spot while running?

So, some gang banger named Stomper gets shot by the police and people are upset?

WTF is going on here.

Congratulations on vandalizing businesses in a strip mall. It was clearly the business owners' fault that this guy was capped by a cop. (sarcasm)

I believe the government put agents in the protest to instigate the violence, so then the police have an excuse to break up the protest.

This is done in other countries, why wouldn't it happen here?

they already do have that power. the police, goverment, corporations are so powerful that these protesters cant even shoot a cop yet the cops have shot, arrested so many ppl. america is great for money and jobs but has turned into argubly the most violent, corrupt, far right winged goverment in the world.

Here we go again.....the Kangaroo Court of Public Opinion is at it again WITHOUT knowing what really happened.

And it seems these "RIOTERS" are in the same boat and could care less about FACTS.

Congratulations to the peaceful people of Anaheim for showing their disapproval of Police excessive force violence with some pointless violence of their own !!

It sounds to me like there is plenty of reason to demand investigations into several police incidents in Anaheim including the shooting of an unarmed suspect, but there is also ZERO justification to riot !! I hope law enforcement officials will do what it takes to protect property and restore order, but I also hope that California State officials will launch a thorough investigation into the excessive force allegations at the heart of this unrest.

Elliot, my thoughts exactly. People do nothing but bitch and want blood, rightly so, when these little bastards kill kids and innocent people but when one gets killed by the police, whooaaa, nelly! We can't have that!! So they damage innocent shop keepers stores and cause them grief, and cry about this poor boy who was shot by the cops for NO reason. Of course, the article doesn't say if the guy had something in his hand that looked like a gun or whatever but that doesn't matter. Right? Kill all the gang banger @!$%#s. A blight on society.

So, some gang banger named Stomper gets shot by the police and people are upset?

WTF is going on here.

The Obama planned on giving Stomper his citizenship that he so rightly deserved

My mouse is acting up. I DID NOT mean to vote up #3.23 (or the sales troll on another thread), I meant to report it as having "no value".

Xray

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOx0az9vWko

Anaheim Police Fire At Women And Childr…

"Agent provocateurs" caused the "so-called vandalism"? Why don't you conspiracy nut-jobs stick to the Kennedy assassination and 9-11.

Jim:

Those protesters should be arrested and sent back to Mexico.

I was born on the naval base in Great Lakes, Ill. So what should I be arrested for? Exercising my right to protest?

You're one of the reasons why our Constitution is becoming not even the worth the paper it was written on. Shame on you.

Always an idiot around, to think running deserves death penalty i wonder how many judges would give that sentence

I'd rather keep them, and send you back...you anti-free market fascist.

BTW, I'm Republican. You make me ashamed of that. It's impossible to be against immigration and simultaneously be free market...it's labor market protectionism! Immigration is condusive to economic growth, native wage rates going up, and native unemployment rates going DOWN ( despite your economic ignorance from listening to people who say otherwise).

running when ordered to stop is not a brilliant move.

faster than a speeding bullet, you are not.

Not the first time police mistaken a burrito for a gun.

ProIndividual-3906907, "I'd rather keep them, and send you back...you anti-free market fascist. BTW, I'm Republican. You make me ashamed of that. It's impossible to be against immigration and simultaneously be free market...it's labor market protectionism! Immigration is condusive to economic growth, native wage rates going up, and native unemployment rates going DOWN ( despite your economic ignorance from listening to people who say otherwise).

American's are not against immigration, we have welcomed more immigrants to this country than any other country in the world. What we are against is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!

Sunlit, while it is true that running from a police officer is not a bright thing to do, no where in our laws does is state that such an act is punishable by death.

Shooting an unarmed civilian is a sign that the officer is incompetent at best, and malicious at worst. Either way, he has proven he does not deserve to wear the uniform.

Until police officers are regularly fired and/or jailed for such actions, protests like these will continue.

You have to understand, in Calif which is a sanctuary state the hispanic are a protected class. The can cause accidents, in which they have no license or insurance, and are let go. They can be stopped for traffic violations, have no proof they belong here, and are let go. The riots in LA were proof that the PD will do nothing. Now Anaheim is more proof. They "watch" the rioters destroy private business and do nothing.

ProIndividual

"Immigration is condusive to economic growth"

I will agree on this statement with the added legal immigration. Illegal immigration right now is hurting us economically and tearing us apart as a country hence we get statements like what the OP said.

Until an investigation proves otherwise, I wish everyone would stop saying he was shot because he ran from police. He was shot because the officer saw what were, to him and every other well trained policeman, threatening actions. The guy looked like he was reaching for a weapon. Quit saying he was shot for running. If that's the case, then the investigation is open and shut. The investigation will most likely be a judgment against the cop anyway, but that's not the point. The policeman said a man who was with known gang members ran from him, meaning he was resisting arrest. When he caught up with him, instead of putting his hands behind his head he made movements with his arms that suggested he was reaching for a weapon. Whether or not that part of the story is true, there is nothing to suggest otherwise. Just because he didn't have a weapon doesn't mean he wasn't reaching for something. I'm not saying he deserved to be shot as a result. What I'm saying is the officer had to make a split second decision in a situation where his life might be in danger. He saw the movements and fired. It was a tragic mistake and an investigation is under way. I suppose after he is found guilty or not guilty, the people will riot no matter what, as they are wont to do in California.

debi,

"Exercising my right to protest?" You absolutely do have that right. But when you add violence and destruction to the protest, you no longer have a "right".

Hard to understand? Try this - I don't like the color you painted your house and I think it lowers that value of the other properties on the block. I have the right to walk in front of your house (public sidewalk) carrying a sign that states exactly what I think about your color choice. You won't like it but that is my RIGHT.

Now let's take it another step up from a peaceful demonstration. I carry a sign as stated above BUT I also have a bucket of paint (in the color I think your house should be painted) and come onto your property. You obviously will try tyo stop me from repainting your house. I don't care for "your" aggression and smack you in the mouth claiming that I have the "right" to do so but ignoring the fact that I was the primary reason because I came onto your property with intent. Now I no longer have a "right" for a protest of that kind.

Richard, you took the words right out of my mouth...well said!!! :)

hence the term Rabble Rouser

Cletus-3122423 him and every other well trained policeman

I laughed at this line. Most policemen are worse in threatening situations than the average person. These are wannabes or washed out jocks that wish they were soldiers. They always claim "split second decisions" as the reason their job is so tough. Ever been to war? You don't always get a 'split second' to make a decision however, your training becomes second nature and you react appropriately. Cops are not well trained. They are civilians with too much authority and too much firepower. SWAT style response team members as close as it comes to cops that react like a soldier.

Please don't ever use "well trained" and "cops/police" in the same sentence ever again.

video of police shooting into crowd with rubber bullets..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOx0az9vWko

Oh I see. You'd rather give the police a free pass on not 'act[ing] right' and not the protesters? Yeah, and I guess the protesters killed 5 people this year and not the police. So by your account: broken windows after government oppression > government murder. Wow, I guess I had it all wrong. Shame the window breakers... let the government sanctioned murders continue!

I hate it when what should have been peaceful march turns because a few people cant act right.

Hopefully, you are referring to the Anaheim PD.

But when those few smash and break and burn things, it allows some of us to think, well maybe some of these real time incidents are NOT all the cops fault, if people who are there to complain about them cant be calm themselves.

Does it make common sense to you that people who were there to peacefully protest and attend a city council meeting, would for no reason, become violent?

Don't be such a slave to the propaganda.

Unarmed protestor shot = protestor can't act right

That's what OP just said.

Cops shoot unarmed protestor = protestors should shut up and take it

That's what OP just said.

Remind me to not protect you from the police state when it comes for you, OP.

ProIndividual:

Cops did not "shoot" an "unarmed protestor." Reread the article. An unarmed man was shot for which there was a protest. When the protest became unruly pepper balls were fired into the crowd and one hit a protestor in the head. No protestors were intentionally shot for protesting, it was an "unruly crowd control" incident. Not supporting the cops, just stating the facts from the article; because maybe the cop meant to hit that person in the head with the pepper ball.

These scum demonstrators need to be blasted with flamethrowers. Almost impossible for a bunch of libs to get together without destroying public or private property. Peaceably assemble and air your grievances if you must, but DO NOT block public roadways. DO NOT occupy parks or plazas for any length of time.

Once any of these gutter trash protesters start damaging stuff, all bets should be off. Clubs, guns, kicking - anything goes.

These people are well within their rights to protest the illegal actions of the police. Having seen the video of the protest Saturday https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=4373615502205 and the firing of rubber bullets into families with small children, then setting a dog on a man and small boy (gets the man but could have been the boy), leaves me outraged. Were I a CA resident, I would be armed and in the street. This is unacceptable in ANY state. We have the RIGHT to free assembly. The CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. This is outrageous. Which may be why the cops were offering to BUY THE VIDEO. They must be prosecuted.

Protesters broke the windows of least a half-dozen storefronts in Anaheim on Tuesday and five people were arrested in the second major clash between police and demonstrators since an officer shot dead an apparently unarmed man.

You don't get shot dead with a pepper ball pal!

This article was poorly written, and more than likely poorly investigated.

When protesters start becoming violent , destructive and out of control, they've lost the right to protest. Vandalizng the property of others both private and city owned won't be tolerated.

That one male in the blue t-shirt and ball cap in the video was taunting police and kicking their cars as they drove by. You could see one of the cars being dented by those kicks.

His a$$ was handcuffed, arrested and thrown in the back of a ploice vehicle and rightfully so. Hope he has a nice stay at the Police Hilton.

I would ask what are "families with small children" doing in the middle of a violent protest anyways? Keep your children out of such situations.

And there is a lot of talk about "citizens rights". Guess it is too bad the majority of these violent protestors are probably not even legal citizens and thus should have NO rights under our Constitution!

debi,

"Does it make common sense to you that people who were there to peacefully protest and attend a city council meeting, would for no reason, become violent?"

Many peaceful protest have turned violent simply because the protesters could not, would not and will not accept any view or reason OTHER THEN THEIR OWN.

Stop being a slave to the left wing.

Hey fly,

Have you seen the new commercial about the woman who says that everything on the web is the truth because they can't put anything on the web that isn't true?

Bon jour...

I find it interesting how many people here have tried and convicted the police officer.....Were any of you in his shoes when the issue occurred????? I doubt it.....in situations like this an officer has a fraction of a second to react...sometimes it is right and sometimes wrong.....my guess is that the officer in question was scared to death when he fired that gun....not the brutal "murderer" many here want to claim. he is not the gestapo or SS....he has a family, friends and is pretty much like you and I...with one exception...he puts his life on the line everyday to keep the streets safe for you to drink your latte in peace at a cafe....or so your kids can go to school....your houses are not shot up by thugs...it goes on and on.....my question is, how many of you judges are going to call the police when a "known gang member" is attacking your family, or pointing a gun at you or scaring your children???? Save your criticism....let the investigation run its course....and as for the protestors....go home.....

Flyover me said;

We have the RIGHT to free assembly. The CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. This is outrageous.

Not anymore. A law was signed earlier this year abridging the right of the people to assemble where they choose:

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Federal Restricted Buildings

and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011’’.

SEC. 2. RESTRICTED BUILDING OR GROUNDS.

Section 1752 of title 18, United States Code, is amended to

read as follows:

‘‘§ 1752. Restricted building or grounds

‘‘(a) Whoever—

‘‘(1) knowingly enters or remains in any restricted building

or grounds without lawful authority to do so;

‘‘(2) knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the

orderly conduct of Government business or official functions,

engages in disorderly or disruptive conduct in, or within such

proximity to, any restricted building or grounds when, or so

that, such conduct, in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly

conduct of Government business or official functions;

‘‘(3) knowingly, and with the intent to impede or disrupt

the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions,

obstructs or impedes ingress or egress to or from any restricted

building or grounds; or

‘‘(4) knowingly engages in any act of physical violence

against any person or property in any restricted building or

grounds;

or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be punished as provided

in subsection (b).

‘‘(b) The punishment for a violation of subsection (a) is—

‘‘(1) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more

than 10 years, or both, if—

‘‘(A) the person, during and in relation to the offense,

uses or carries a deadly or dangerous weapon or firearm;

or

‘‘(B) the offense results in significant bodily injury as

defined by section 2118(e)(3); and

‘‘(2) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more

than one year, or both, in any other case.

‘‘(c) In this section—

‘‘(1) the term ‘restricted buildings or grounds’ means any

posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area—

‘‘(A) of the White House or its grounds, or the Vice

President’s official residence or its grounds;

‘‘(B) of a building or grounds where the President or

other person protected by the Secret Service is or will

be temporarily visiting; or

‘‘(C) of a building or grounds so restricted in conjunction

with an event designated as a special event of national

significance; and

‘‘(2) the term ‘other person protected by the Secret Service’

means any person whom the United States Secret Service is

authorized to protect under section 3056 of this title or by

Presidential memorandum, when such person has not declined

such protection.’’.

Basically, the moment police declared the protest 'unlawful' this law kicked in. Whoever remained after that declaration by lawful authorities, whether they were protesting peacefully or throwing objects through glass windows, were subject to a penalty of up to ten years in prison.

Blue-eyed Lady said:

And there is a lot of talk about "citizens rights". Guess it is too bad the majority of these violent protestors are probably not even legal citizens and thus should have NO rights under our Constitution!

First off, you presuppose that some/most of these protestors are 'illegals'. You do realize that there are plenty of natural-born and naturalized US citizens currently being labeled as 'illegal', detained and deported when they actually aren't even 'illegal' at all.

Former ICE executive James Pendergraph said in 2008 to an LEO conference "If you don't have enough to charge someone criminally, but you think they may be here illegally, we can make them disappear." Do you want your government representative to say they can make you disappear?

The Constitution does not make the distinction between legal or illegal, immigrant or citizen, documented or undocumented. It guarantees all persons the right to due process and certain rights/freedoms irregardless of who you are.

Amendment 5: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

And there is a bill currently coming up through congress called the Enemy Expatriation Act that will allow the government to strip you of your citizenship and declare you 'illegal' if you're suspected of any of the acts I posted on the list in 1.55. If 'illegal' is a arbitrary designation that can be applied to ANYONE doing something the government doesn't like, how many us citizens are suddenly going to be labeled 'illegal terrorists'?

This is an article that people are arguing as if it occurred in a vacuum. Simpy put: It did't. Rightturn is correct about some of his supposition. It cannot be denied that Cali is being overrun because of many of its policies and a local event is only part of the story. Those of you defending the rioter (that's what it was) should reconsider the moment in time surrounded by all the events in Cali., not just that exact moment. Race is not part of the argument. If Cali. was being overrun by Polish gangsters the police would be on high alert around large White guys with big heads. Just human nature to secure your own safety in an unknown, but familiar situation. Dude was a Gang member and those rioting were in support of the gang's influence. Done.

rightturn, well said, enough is enough. I would like to see some of these people have the balls to be willing to walk up to a parked car with dark tinted windows and not s**t their pants .

Excuse me? I spent 30 years in L.A. - the Police ARE the Thugs!

Well said ER Provider! If I hear the phrase racial profiling again I will vomit! They can have that broke, filthy,lawless state. Hey that sounds like Mexico!

Act like a civil human being and you'll not be bothered by the police. Cop asks for ID, show it. Cop pulls you over in traffic, STFU and take your ticket if he/she writes one. I've lived in several cities in several states. Spent much of my 20's in bars/clubs in the late night/early morning hours. Never got mistreated by a cop; never even close. Why? Because if I was caught doing something wrong, I KNEW I was wrong, and didn't start running my mouth. Been let go while driving with alcohol over the legal limit. Caught with a little blow once; the cop simply confiscated it. Did he use it? Sell it? Destroy it? Trade it to a hooker for a BJ? Don't know. Don't care. Just happy that I walked away.

Because the gangs in that area are composed of latinos, it makes it easy to play the racism card. When a gang member is arrested they are always latino, because the gangs are latino. It's like saying apple orchards are discriminatory because whenever you pick fruit there it's an apple and not an orange.

Fred, well said. I agree with you One Hundred Percent! You want to protest, go ahead. Step out of line once, destroy property, all bets are off. F U , you will be shot , beaten , kicked. You earned it and you deserve it. Cop says stop, you stop, and then ask why. He tells you shut up, you shut up.

fredthepuppy:

Kudos, direct hit!!! Try not to hurt anyone by sharing too much common sense at one time.

Fred, I bet you're white. That would be why you've had such amazing relations with our men in blue. Try being black and getting stopped and held for an hour because you look like some other black individual they're looking for... because all black people look the same right?

I have to agree that if a cop tells you to stop, then stop running! If you have done nothing wrong then there is no need to run. And if the gang members there are all latino then I have to wonder if perhaps some are illegals, perhaps the reason this guy ran.

In some large cities it seems that the police are overwhelmed by gangs and for the most part shooting is the only chance the cops have of coming out alive. Put in the cops shoes I think some of you would shoot first and ask questions later.

"Shoot first and ask questions later" is UNACCEPTABLE. That is NOT the America I live in and fought to protect. Just because a suspect is running does NOT give you the right to murder them.

@ Cominform, you would not make a mole on a Marines a$$.

Do you know why the NAVY Created the Marines so they could have some one to dance with.

RANGER UP!!!!

mike schmidt,

" Try being black and getting stopped and held for an hour because you look like some other black individual they're looking for...". So just where was your hypothetical black stopped? In a Latino or White neighborhood or a black one?

Nice try mike - I'll bet you're white. How the hell do YOU know?

...but it's not okay for police to shoot a man they feel is a threat?

A threat to what? He was unarmed and running away. How did he threaten the police or anyone else for that matter?

And in case you didn't know, smashing windows isn't even in the same category as killing a 4 year old. Grow up and get a grip.

I know the difference between smashing windows and killing a 4 year old. My point, in case you didn't know, is that these are all senseless criminal acts committed by thugs who think they are above the law. If he wasn't a threat, why did he run? Why didn't he stop and talk to the cops? Oh that's right...because he was a gang member who probably was guilty of something! And if you can't make your point without telling me to "grow up and get a grip" then you obviously don't have a valid point too make. Presumably, we're all adults here.

Sharon,

If he wasn't a threat, why did he run? Why didn't he stop and talk to the cops?

In L.A., when the Police see 5 Black males standing together outside talking, they IMMEDIATELY treat them like criminals, tell them to "assume the position", frisk them, verbally assault them, possibly physically assault them during the "pat-down", and MAY place drugs on them if one of the males says he doesn't like or deserve the way they're being treated or talked to.

And that's before the Police question them - only to find later that they're just kids waiting on their ride to basketball practice.

You're a (White?) female so this isn't who the Police are to you - they'd ask you for a date - but that's EXACTLY who they are to minority males or to White guys w/ tatoos who don't look like they went to Harvard!

I didn't go to Harvard but it seems I can read better than you Squirrel. How did the number of men in an alley jump from three to five and how did a male that is Hispanic turn black? I don't know about you but I see three or five (the number doesn't matter) standing in an alley my first thought isn't going to be they're up to something good.

Really? I wonder what you would do if the cops didn't check and you were shot becuase of it. Stop coming down so hard on the police. They are doing the best they can and maybe accidents happen but that's no reason to condem the entire department. Maybe the communities should work with the police to stop these acts. I'm sad to admit this but if this man was a gang member and even unarmed I'm glad he was shot. That's one less on the streets who can shot a 4 year old. It's a matter of which is the lesser of two evils. Peaceful assembly is alright but if it gets out of hand the best is to stop the assembly until things calm down. Who were the adults in this situation?

I didn't go to Harvard but it seems I can read better than you Squirrel. How did the number of men in an alley jump from three to five and how did a male that is Hispanic turn black? I don't know about you but I see three or five (the number doesn't matter) standing in an alley my first thought isn't going to be they're up to something good.

Squirrel: I think we've found another dull crayon in the box.

Orlando - My point exactly - it doesn't matter to you how many minorities are standing in an alley - you're conditioned to think and act just like George Zimmerman.

Debi: Yep, LOL!

Squirrel, I'm not sure you are 100% sane. You must live in a tree!

JG-895068

That's a sane assumption?

I have a question for you Squirrel. How many times have you seen 3-5 white females robbing, kicking, destroying property and just causing all out trouble? Yeah that's what I thought. People or race (since this is the subject matter) create their own worlds in which they are viewed. Everyone has the ability to be treated with respect, but some demand respect instead of earn it.

Squirrel- It's not about being conditioned to think a certain way it's about safety and saving ones own ass. If I see a group of guys whether they are black, white, purple, or whatever in an alley i'm not going to walk that way. IT has nothing to with what they look like. IT has to do with not putting yourself in a situation that could turn dangerous. It's called common sense, which it seems most people on this board have none of.

Maybe if blacks didn't act a certain way people wouldn't jump to those conclusions Squirrel.

As for Zimmerman, I think if I had a gun and some black kid jumped me and started pounding my head on a sidewalk it would probably turn out the same way. I think you should go back to your tree and look for your nuts. They seem to be missing.

@Debbi. Go back and do Dallas will ya? That's probably all you're good for in this world.

me-1121098, breaking windows+lighting property afire+attacking police officers+throwing bottles and rocks+terrorizing and assaulting innocent citizens= FELONY. And if this is what these scum do during a "peaceful protest," imaging what they do when they "do violence!"

uka:

I do not like cops or the idea they just shoot who ever they want but these people are illegal aliens...

And your proof the man who was shot and killed was illegal, is where?

Some believe that someone was shot for no reason. But some of the worst of society just have nothing better to do then smoke that pocalolo, have sex, get another tatoo, spend time on probation, make babies, and collect walfare, steal, rob, kill for colors, etc. etc. I have lived in this area since 1961.I have seen it go from a nice place to live, [Mexicans lived on one side, others lived on the other side in my area. But everyone was quiet. Everything was quiet. I even bought stuff in "their" store. But now that area is scary. There are killings and all sorts of things bad there. One 18 year old knifed a 10 year old, and I drove right thru where it happened as it happened. Are there no sane people here anymore? They are to stupid to see that the business owners might just be Mexican also?

This once beautiful Anaheim is lost like so many other cities across the land because of the people that tear down and destroy as they gain in numbers.

Lock and load ,lock and load

And it's the very reason that the socialist in the White House has a real chance at winning another 4 destructive years. The low grade morons you speak of have propagated, bred and outnumbered the productive members of society. BECAUSE we have allowed it. Happy hunting.

@Odumboba, you wouldn't know Socialism if it slapped you up side your head. If you looked at Nazism and the Republican beliefs you would see and unbelievable comparisson. I would call you a Moron, but a Moron has an IQ. You think your a productive member of sociaty? At what? If you were so productive you wouldn't be here pecking the keyboard. As for me, I'm retired. What's your excuse.

Actually, neither major US political party is anything like the Nazis, but the left is MUCH closer to it than the republicans are. The republicans (NOT the far right wing) pretty much believe that the government needs to piss off and leave people alone if they are not breaking any laws.

One of the Nazis' first acts was to disarm its country's citizenry (Yep, the left here would LOVE to figure out a way to do that).

Government control of the media (CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN are all in line at the White House tryin' to get their presidential knee pads).

Government control of industry (GM takeover, anyone?)

Propagation of their preferred race/voting bloc (45 years of paying the least productive members of society to breed like sewer rats).

Any questions?

your just not smart are you' what is it that Fox news is telling you. all media is fixed right now, like elections and taxes.UN-fortnightly ignorance is bliss for your less then useful thinking.. bye a book go for a walk you will learn more then you can watching the lie's of fake news from Fox and a few others... your a fool and will keep doing as your told by your masters.... Bush family have proven Nazi ties and of coerce fool who still believe in fashisum are still around.. called skin heads.. Of course the bush's and other top republicans master'ss prefer the Saudi method.. where by we the people live as poor slaves and the wealthy rule over us with there benevolent goodness and what ever TRICKLES DOWN THERE LEGS! Oh and I do Have a question if its so bad why don't you leave; go a way that is what the wealthy are doing.. get on bored with the people and lets get are government back and quit buying in to propaganda and bull from both side of are broken one sided help the rich government. Freedom is for everyone.

ps: people breed like rats cuz of the lack of education and the edicts of modern religion.. get you sum a learn'n find a wife and beat her you small small minded person.

pss:ss:ss

This president has done nothing to gun control. We already live in a police state. The last President in this country to sine major gun control and to raise fair tax on everyone was........ President Bush the 1st...

God bless America

Why are all these people busting windows of businesses who have nothing to do with shooting of thugs who are worthless to society. That makes them just as wrong as the police shooting thugs.Oh lets see the police shot a gang member so lets go smash some windows and break the law , How ignorate these people are.

Twice: Exactly! I tend to side with the cops, rather than a bunch of gang members.

a better immigration policy: No amnesty to Gang affiliates, law breakers or destructive protesters.

What do you expect, illegals every ware bringing along with it the filthy underground of drugs, gangs, murders prostitution, rape.

You just gotta love these Sanctuary Cities and States, driving away all
the good people and replacing them with Criminals, they hit 16 drop out of high school and turn into little brown baby making machines that go to the park
change a diaper and throw it the ground! Yep: “Poor little Chewy just standing
on the corner with 4 cans of paint under his oversized coat minding his own business
and someone shot him for no good reason” these people are in such denial of
what their part is in it, these cops have to deal with these animals with one
arm tied behind their backs constitutionally speaking.

In response to IRESPOND-2315268. Did you read the whole article? Probably not. This protest took place because the police shot someone dead and that person was unarmed thus the protest,even though I'm against violence this case needs investigation.

Dear Planet Earth,

Go to Hell, and take that infestation known as the Human Race with you.

well said Dame808

Gangs rule because the people are scared. Grow a pair and take back your communities. Quit buying the drugs and you cut off their money...help the police in doing their jobs instead of protesting when they do. One sniper could take out a whole lot of gangbangers. If the government succeeds in taking guns away from legal citizens then only the gangbangers will have guns just like they have illegal guns now. There is always a way to get anything illegal you want.

Knothing like people protesting when they are here illegally.If they sent ICE to these protest they would stop.

You aint seen knothing yet as our debt based society is falling off the cliff.Get ready.

Yes, I included other things I've seen in the news this week. I wasn't trying to imply that this man did these things. I'm just sick and tired of all the crime....everywhere, by everyone. I know not every person of color is a criminal. I know not every cop is a good cop, and I know that the problem isn't just illegals but people who were born here in the US, just like me. I'm sick and tired of innocent people being victims, of people using the excuse that they're from a "broken" home, or unemployed, etc. to break the law. Where does it stop?

Right or Wrong ...fighting with Police is a Waste of time ...they don't make policy..... they do what they want..they do abuse ...they do kill ..Protesting... Neither the Public nor the Police know clearly what's legal protesting..

You morons. If these "gang members" were coming at you, the police would be the first people you would want to call. But, I guess it's easy for you to be an internet bada$$ since you aren't staring down that path. Carry on simpletons. Hate the police........until you need them! Then beg for their help.

sean, there are bad actors among the police, and the police unions protect them at all costs.

but just because there are bad cops doesn't mean they are all bad

danwill, I'm with you! I get so sick of hearing people complain about law enforcement officers. They are out there doing a job that most of the people posting this crap here are too dam scared to do. they just b!tch about the cops until something happens in their life and then a cop is who they call for help.