Known gangbanger vs police officers? I know which side I am on. If you aren't doing anything wrong why run? If you aren't wanted on a outstanding warrant why run? That town sucks because of those resident gangbangers. Kids can't play ouside their own homes because of those gang bangers. People in that town have to live behind prison like bars on their home windows because of those gang bangers. There are no companies willing to locate there because of those gang bangers. etc etc etc Like I said I know which side I am on.

Why was he fleeing if he didnt do anything he wouldnt have been running should have ran faster. But I guess I have never seen anyone out run a bullet. Wonder what hes thinking right now.Should have layed off them there drugs. Cops 2 gang bangers 0

I don't think the police should be shooting anyone if it can be avoided however the article says one of the 3 people they where chasing fired a weapon at them. The police at that point have the right to fire back. The lesson here is a simple one don't put yourself in a situation where you are hanging out with people that are shooting at police. This has happened on many occasions and still people like this young man continue to die because they made a stupid decision. It really is time for people to start accepting the consequences of the their own actions and unfortunately because this young mans actions cost him his life.

Anaheim residents have every right to demand an investigation into several incidents involving alleged use of excessive force by police, including the shooting of an unarmed suspect, but those rights do not include the right to damage property or inflict violence on others. I hope cooler heads will prevail and California State officials will investigate these incidents and that if there is substance to the allegations, that corrective measures are taken !!

Sue is correct. A gun was found NEAR his body. It wasn't the police who dropped it when shot. Jason, don't call people ignorant when you didn't read the whole article. Don't call people names period-just think what we could say to you about your mistake.

If she didn't say it in spannish..nobody got the message!

All these moms of gang bangers always say this! Oh he was such a good boy, he was turning his life around,blah blah blah!! Why didn't you do your job of parenting in the first place to PREVENT your sweet little boy form joining a gang? It's always the same ol' story over and over again!

I READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE. I even quoted it: "Diaz who was unarmed, was shot and killed on Saturday after fleeing from police on foot."

You're talking about an incident the next day. This article and this situation is about Manuel Diaz, who was alone and unarmed.

Please tell me... what mistake did I make? You guys even get it wrong after I set you straight. Let's see if you get it this time...

I am going to take both sides on this.

First and foremost we wouldn't have all these hispanic gang bangers here in So Cal if the federal government as well as our states liberal politicians would do their job and deport those here illegally. Cities that declare themselves as sanctuary cities for illegals have a lot of the blame resting on their shoulders for the gang violence. The most violent cities are also the sanctuary cities and that is just a plain fact. Anaheim, Santa Ana, L A, etc. etc. etc. are cesspools of gangs. They are also sanctuary cities who won't deport illegal aliens. They need to accept the blame for all the crime in their cities from the gangs that exist there.

On the other side of the topic, we have the worst cops here in So Cal. They think they are above the law and flaunt it all the time. They have tried to cover things up that would land the average joe taxpaying citizen in the slammer for a long time. They police themselves and that is just asking for corruption. They work for us but they seem to think they work for no one but themselves. Throw in the California peace officers bill of rights and you just made matters worse. The CPOBR is carte blanch for the police to kill without repercussions. The report says the officer shot the suspect who he thought was pulling a weapon from his waistband when he turned towards the officer. Really? Then why were both shots in his back (buttocks and head) if he was facing the officer when he shot him. Also the cops say that when they saw him he knew he was a known gang member. If that was the case in the middle of the night in a dark alley, from a distance, then why couldn't he see that he was unarmed either. Simply put, this cop is a liar. He also said the guy, while running away, was tossing things on the roofs of buildings but nothing, nada, zip, was found on the roofs of any buildings.

Running from the cops is not a crime worthy of being killed for. I did it as a youth a couple times for being on the beach after curfew. Is that a crime worthy of a death penalty? What are your kids doing on warm summer nights? I doubt you really know for sure and only rely on what they tell you, but in reality it could be far from going over to their friends to play video games or watch a movie. What if they got shot by the cops while being kids and causing mischief like dingdongditch? Would you still think, "Well, you shouldn't run from the cops". I doubt you would.

"Stop the Violence" - and THEN pay me and the family $50 million because my friggin gang member violence so died violently. There is no such thing as taking sides, you are either for law order, protection of the many, civil behavior, and obeying the laws of the land or you are NOT. Police do not have the luxury to do some of the moronic suggestions that people always make after a questionable death - like "why couldn't he have just shot him in the legs -- why can't they take sensitivity training -- why can't they wait and determine if a person DOES have a weapon. Want to know WHY - because THAT is how most police get killed by, well, low life gang bangers in LA and elsewhere. For those of you that live in la la land; running from a cop IS a crime. If you get shot, you did so because you were stupid and probably deserved to get shot. Enough said.

So some gangbangers are shooting at police and one of them ends up dead. And that's a bad thing? The mexican drug cartel violence and the likes of ms-13 and brown pride will be coming soon to a town near you.

Convicted felon worth fifty million dollar, right. If I were the police I wouldn't go over there any more just send the drug cartel let them handle the problem and taxpayers dollars.

You can't take sides on executing unarmed people in the street for running away. Your other side is completely irrelevant because these people aren't protesting the arrest of gang bangers. They're protesting the execution of an unarmed person.

You guys keep talking about the incident the next night that they mention in this article which makes me think you just found out about this story. It's about Manuel Diaz. Unarmed. Running. Shot to death... one to the buttocks, then one to the head.

There is only one side to take: It is not within the power of a police officer to kill someone for running away. That is the only issue and the only other side to take is, "I believe people who run from the police, but are otherwise not a present danger, should be stopped with deadly force rather than allowed to escape, regardless of their innocence." Is that your other side?

Jason - I invite YOU and others that always play devils advocate whenever a cop kills a thug to go to Burma and compare their police to ours. "Burn the station down". Instead of running your mouth, if you are so incensed over the death of a gang member in LA, why don't you go and try to burn their PD station. I, personally, don't give a crap if Diaz was unarmed. Gangs are a scourage in this country and I wish our police would adopt the tactics of those in Brazil that are finally starting to erase the vermin that infest THEIR barrios and inner city and start making them ALL disappear one way or another.

Then you are on the road to fascism, and shooting you wouldn't be murder. It would be defense of the nation.

In 1.13 I am referring to the Diaz case. I live 30 minutes from Anaheim and in todays O.C.Register the report says that the officer said he shot Diaz when he turned around facing the officer and was reaching into his waistband for what the officer thought was a weapon. As I have said earlier, if he was turned around facing the officer while reaching into his waistband then why were the 2 shots to his backside.

The cop is a liar.

@ JP,

Running from the cops is only a crime if you get caught.

Sorry, but running from the cops is not an offense deserving of being shot in the back and then when you fall to the ground being shot again in the head. They ran because they know cops will lie and frame them for doing nothing at all. Police have been given Carte Blanche to kill civilians and not face criminal prosecution.

Several weeks ago a Northern California cops young child got a hold of his loaded and chambered service weapon and shot their sibling to death. No charges were filed and none are expected. If it was a regular citizen, their ass would be immediately locked up and facing charges for not properly locking up and securing their firearm so no one could fire it. California law is stiff one this one, but not if you are a cop.

Just recently the wife of the police chief of Oceanside (Brenda Sue McCoy) grab her husbands gun and shot at responding officers. If it was you or I, we would of been shot dead by a swat officer but they decided to use a beanbag round on her. His gun wasn't secured so why isn't he facing charges? Oh yeah, because he is a cop. That's why.

Several years ago a cop at home heard someone trying to break in to his house. He saw the perp trying to pry open a bedroom window, took aim and shot dead the perp. The perp never gained entrance into the house. If it was a private citizen who did this they would face murder charges as the perp was not in the house at the time and did not pose a physical threat to anyone in the house. Lose of property is not a viable reason for a citizen to use deadly force in this state. Yep, you guessed it, another California law.

One of the main problems is the California peace officers bill of rights. It puts them above the law and civilian life is not worth as much as their nor are their rights. Think I am full of it? Take a look for yourself. Very interesting what privilidges they are afforded that the average Joe isn't. You or a loved one could be next.

http://www.slopoa.com/pdfiles/Police%20Officers%20Bill%20of%20Rights.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2br0C72KTo
Check out the police response to the protests and judge for yourself. I call police brutality on this one. They overreacted and hurt women and children.

I agree with everything Jason Catalyst has said..

Everyone here must be nuts, in no way, shape or form does a cop have the right to shoot any type of person in the back while running away.. Even armed!!! Unless that person stops, reaches for a GUN (not just any weapon) and intends to use it, then yes, all bets are off, do what is necessary to survive. Protect and serve, not serve to kill.

Really though? Running away, in the back? Unarmed? God, thats messed up.. Cops daydream and fantasize over the opportunity in getting to pull their weapons, let alone fire them.. Its an adrenaline rush for them, not an emotional, horrible experience like some say. They live for it.

If you think otherwise, I'm sorry. I will say not ALL cops are like that.. But the vast majority is, hence the desire to be one.. It sure as hell isn't the pay.

Did i hear right?

The kid shot in the back off the head by the cop?

That is a execution by the state. Throw that cop in jail and throw the key away.

Give me a break shooting in the back off the head. Big f*cking hero that cop. Doesn't have the guts to face the people..

But he will go on paid leave and by a white jury will be declared innocent. History repeating it self

Anaheim isn't LA. All this talk about gang bangers is silly. Anaheim had a total of 7 murders in 2010 - well under half the national average, and that's in a city of more than 300K residents.

The police in Orange County cities are generally way over the top in their response to the smallest of incidents. It's common to see 2 or 3 police cars involved in a traffic stop (yeah, I live here). They get away with it because they pick on minorities and Orange County is largely conservative. I would guess that a majority of the residents here have the same attitude as most of the commenters on this page.

That said, most of you guys are nuts. This is a free country - innocent until proven guilty. The first guy was running away when shot - that's simply wrong. If the second kid turned around and made a motion like he was pulling a gun, then that's on him of course, but police should never shoot someone in the back no matter what.

California the land of minority entitlement, reverse racism and illegal immigration.Look you can not blame all the posters here who are sick and tired of gangs and gang violence.The penaltys for even belonging to a violent gang should be extremely severe with hard labor,long prison terms and separation from other gang members but I have to admit shooting an unarmed person (if that is true) is criminal and unwarranted unless that individual was throwing rocks,swinging a bat or firing a gun.

Huh... I see a small problem, could someone clarify it. If a cop tells a perp to freeze and the perp runs he is allowed to shoot to stop the perp. Is that right. If two shots went off, one wounding and the other killing its wrongful death. Wait I forget this is a case of a mommy crying over her sweet little baby getting gunned down by the brutal po-po..

Give me a Freakin Break.

wow, there are some really dumb people on here. its like they are interpreting the article into whatever they want it to say instead of what it actually says. police are not supposed to shoot unarmed people who are running away from them. geez, how hard is that to understand. not everybody in the town is a gangbanger. if your going to comment use some sense don't just spit out whatever stupid thing comes to your tiny brains. many cops are not there for our safety, they become police because of the power, than they get out there and lose all control. those policemen need to pay for their irresponsible actions. it is scary to know that there are so many evil, ignorant people here in america. these comments are unbelievable. if the cop already shot the guy in the leg, what reason was there for the second shot to the head. that is not the kind of cop i want around my family, he is no better than a gangbanger. he is worse because he supposed to serve and protect, NOT MURDER!

They become cops because they got picked on in high school and want to seek revenge on society or want to force respect from people thru fear and intimidation. Like gang bangers do. Hmmmmm.

The article says the police called him a known gang member. It doesn't make the aseveration the guy was a known gang member!

And why is this woman trying to calm everybody? If someone kills my son while he is running away I would be in the crowd, and I want all hell to break loose!

I am having a hard time believing by these posts, that police are not supposed to flre at fleeing suspects. I've been watching movies, TV, and etc for a number of decades, even watching silent films. Any kind of shoot-em-up movies, Star Wars, Bonnie and Clyde, Thunder Road, Roy Rogers, Tom Mix, if you removed the chase scene from the movies at least half the film would be laying on the cutting room floor. There's shoot-em-ups in animation as well. A good portion of the entertainment industry is shoot-em-ups, Bad Guys shooting at Good Guys, Good Guys shooting at Bad Guys, people charging, people chasing, people flying, people swimming, on foot, on bicycles, in rocket cars and on horseback.

Now years ago when THE A TEAM came to be on TV, a new expectation came into the mindset, that being that someone could shoot at you for 15 minutes with a fully automatic weapon from 20 feet away, AND MISS. That doesn't occur in real life... too often. Oh the gang might miss their intended target, but innocent bystanders, and property like cars and homes get the crap shot out of them, and innocents get wounded and killed.

Blame the police for their inept handling in a shooting? Don't blame gangs? Have a riot to make it all better and tear up the business or other property that didn't get shot up in a previous drive by? I have made this comment before, ( in the past ), why doesn't gang interests go to the StateLegislature and petition them to pass a bill that only gang members can shoot gang members, if for no other purpose than to see the scope of stupidity in the population. Gang members are killing each other at a greater rate than police are killing gang members. It's all over, not just California.

You have the problem with populations who are proud of their skin colors... and nothing else. I'm not too sure but they don't have any aspects of character to be proud of.

they assumed that he was a gang banger, it does not say in the original artical that he was a gangbanger.

i live in the middle of no where, and everone's kids are always out at night goofing off, and if a sherriff's car starts to pull up they will skatter. does that give the sheriff the right to shoot them? i think not!!!

i agree that there are alot of gangbangers in the larger city's around the us, but that does not mean that every person that you cross is a gangbanger. most bikers are white skinned so does that mean that all white people are drug dealing bikers? i think not!!

just because this guy was of latin orgin does not imply that he was a ganbanger either!

does this give the citizenry the right to protest, under our constitution it does, but it does not give people in that protest the right to through rock's, brake windows or, cause mayhiem.

remember this it only takes one bad apple in the barrel to spoil the whole barrel.

Trailer babies hard at work.

Gotta love the scum bag city officials. "some of the people where from outside". why does that matter? why did the msn reporter include that? If this where a real democracy the people could just fire the police and mayor and start from scratch. Even is he was a serial killer, they have no right to execute him. the whole Public Relations aspect of this stinks to hell and back. They killed a kid and want to do damage control. Funny how the brave police with guns and armor stand their in judgment of "we the people". Kind of like when Palastinain kids throw rocks at isreals tanks and the media calls them cowards lol. It is a disease of authority.

No matter the situation, when the cops kill someone, they are always going to say there was a threat, a weapon, gang member, etc. Even when it has been determined that a victim was inncocent, the cops have still attempted to paint the victims in bad light. Even in these cases, have you ever heard a police spokes person say " yeah we messed up and murdered an innocent, but we thought he was bad and felt it was ok then?" Never going to happen.

Normally, the use of 'deadly force' is not appropriate in this type of case (running away from police).

While I have little sympathy for 'gang bangers' because they've pretty much ruined their own lives, it's still important that 'justice be served'.

I trust that a thorough investigation will get to the truth.

One last point - when an innocent private citizen is killed by a gang member, the grieving family get's nothing but pain and grief. When a punk looking for trouble get killed by police, the family collects $Millions. Where is the 'justice' in that?

For those that ask why the man ran if he was not doing anything wrong I retaliate with, did the police officer clearly identify himself? When my husband was 16 he and some friends were walking home after dark; they cut through the parking lot of the liquor store and dark sedan with no lights on chased them, so they ran. My husband and his little brother got cornered and two guys jumped out of the car and grabbed them. My husband fought and got his nose broken as the guy kept screaming at him "Why did you run?". My husband responded "You chased me". It was only when a second car arrived that they found out the men who grabbed them were cops. The one who broke my husbands nose was not a cop for more than another week after that; it was the fourth time he had chased someone without identifying himself then assaulted them, but it was the first time he assaulted a minor.

My point is sometimes cops chase without identifying themselves; they are intimidating and any sane person would run. Of course the unarmed man that was shot in the back (buttocks) while he fled may have known he was running from a cop, but I still expect the officers that uphold our laws to have morals enough not to shoot someone in the back. If they do they should be stripped of their badge and prosecuted for assault; murder if the suspect is unarmed and dies.

Hell I have no warrants, but the way todays law officers are I would probably run also. The man was not armed was shot in the leg area and then the head. Sounds a little iffy to me. That badge is no more than a sign of a brotherhood who feel they can be the judge, jury and executioner.

It sounds like Acevedo's death was justifiable. Diaz's death however raises serious questions that this article doesnt address. How far away was he from the officer who pulled the trigger when the trigger was pulled? It is possible to flee, get caught, fight with the police, flee some more, get caught again, fight some more, flee again, etc... Just because it says he was evading arrest does not me he was sniped from long distance. We do not know exactly what happened so those outraged by this incident along with those who just know this was a justifiable killing are all morons. You don't know what happened, the cop could have been a racist prick who wanted an opportunity to kill a hispanic man. Or, the unarmed hispanic man could have acted like he had a gun prompting an innocent officer to shoot. Or, Keyser Soze did it and is framing the Anaheim PD. You don't know; stop acting like you do. People are idiots and no Jason, you cannot shoot an internet poster whom you deem a danger to our country... and you can't burn down a police department or hang a cop. I mean wow; the internet is a very diverse place.

As much as I dislike Gang Bangers I have to agree with a lot of others here that Cops should not be shooting people who are running from them. Unless they can prove that the fleeing person can pose imminent danger to the public as was the case of the second person who was shooting at police.But regardless if these protesters want to be taken seriously they should not be acting like criminals and destroying properties of people who have nothing to do with the case

Lets see......three thug gangbangers shoot at the cops and run away. The cops return fire and kill one of them that didnt end up having a gun. From the way I see it the cops had every right to shoot at these little scums of society. But leave it to the liberals and other gangbangers to start protests and riot. Really gets your point across.

Aaaaahhhhh let the ignorant people emerge to truly show the world that they live in a cave and have no friends!!! Seems like those that no one listened about the trayvon martic shooting are popping up here. Go back to your video games.

Lets look at the facts, yes the facts:
-The store states that he was shot once in the leg and once in the head (so that pretty much destroys the oxygen theif that said he was shot in the butt)
-He was RUNNING FROM THE COPS
-He was a known gangbanger
-gun was found near the body
-Was being chased because he was part of the group shooting at the police

Now, all of the lemmings that want something to be angry about are protesting and creating mayhem in the streets. This proves what? How about: it proves that you only have the guts to stick up for something as long as there are 50 others that make you feel like you are bigger and badder than you truly are. Sad, very very sad.

Innocent people do not run. I dont care if the kid spent thursday evening feeding the homeless, then saving puppies and finally solving the world hunger problem: if he was involved in gangs (which last time I checked there are not many, if any, gangs that are out there purely to do good things for the community) then he was involved in gang activity, which is usually illegal and sometimes deadly. He was running from the police and the police acted as they are allowed to do. If you are not guilty, DONT RUN~!

So all in all, take a step back, look at society and where it is headed and realize that without the police acting the way they do, these gangbangers are coming to get YOU. Thats right. Coming to get you. So while you sit on your comfy sofa ready this on your little laptop or ipad sipping your unsweet tea there will eventually be someone that will take that ipad, break into your home and assault you. Stop drinking the juice and start seeing society and those that are actually out there to protect your sorry opinions and what they are doing. Then maybe you can make an educated comment. Most will read this and attempt to hammer away at my post. I am okay with that. I teach almost every night, every day and each weekend and I get the stats and know what is happening. Time for you to gain some education and insight as well.

Fleeing from police says it all...

$50,000,000.00 Ya right...

Disabled Vet,

Right on. Perfect post. I live in Chicago and trust me the little gangbanging thug trash are running this city. But if one of them gets picked off by the cops then the protests start.

And cockcheney pulls the typical liberal move. Cant argue facts so insult. Now go back to being Obama's personal ball washer.

Yes, let's look at your facts:

-The store [sic] states that he was shot once in the leg and once in the head (so that pretty much destroys the oxygen theif [sic] that said he was shot in the butt)

While this article states leg, there have been varying reports about where Diaz was shot. Some witnesses stated butt, some leg. Does not negate the fact that Diaz was unarmed and shot from behind.

-He was RUNNING FROM THE COPS

Last I checked, not a crime and certainly not one worthy of the death penalty.

-He was a known gangbanger

Not enough reason to be shot in the back for running from the cops.

-gun was found near the body

The article discusses two shootings. A gun was found near Acevedo, however, Diaz was unarmed.

-Was being chased because he was part of the group shooting at the police

This is again in reference to the Acevedo shooting.

So glad you and you alone "know what is happening" in the world.

This message board can be broken down easily to show that:

Liberals- Think the cops are always wrong and that victims rights are no more important than the perpetrators rights. Wrong.....

Conservatives-Think all latino's are involved in criminal activity and that if you are arrested, you must have done the crime.

we need a approach that rides the line between the two. A victim of a crime should have more support and empathy than the criminal who victimized them. The justice system has allowed itself to skew away from common sense and added so many layers and has made it a formidable challenge to receive justice. The burden of proof should be on the criminal to prove he didn't do it and a tiny shred of reasonable doubt shouldn't be used to aquit when all other evidence proves otherwise. I am sick of the criminal element and their amoral lawyers using trickery to shield the truth and cast doubt. If it walks like a duck, it's a duck.

Hmmmm... Running from the cops? Not smart. Deserving of being shot in the back while unarmed? No.
Oh, and just to point out the obvious, the gang member information probably came out AFTER the fact. I doubt the cops knew they were chasing a gang member at the time, unless they somehow managed to do a full background check of his criminal record before shooting him.

Regardless, I find it EXTREMELY funny (In a very sad way) that members of our military can't fire upon enemy combatants unless they see a gun pulled with the express intent to fire on our boys in uniform. In some cases, they can't engage unless they are actually SHOT AT. Yet our cops can get away with shooting someone while their back is turned, then shooting him again in the back of the head. God bless America.

In summation, was the guy right to run from the cops? @!$%# NO. Does running from the cops justify being shot at? Also @!$%# NO.

Have a good Thursday everyone. Stay safe. (Both from cops and crazy dirt bags who shoot up movie theaters.)

Sally have you found a way to stop or detect a way the trolls that have been using different IP addresses? They know that their email address is to easy for you? Also if you can, Can you block new trolls from re-registering on the weekend. I assume you and Tyler aren't working om the the weekend?

Thanks XXX OOO

... Running from the cops? Not smart. Deserving of being shot in the back while unarmed? No.
Oh, and just to point out the obvious, the gang member information probably came out AFTER the fact. I doubt the cops knew they were chasing a gang member at the time, unless they somehow managed to do a full background check of his criminal record before shooting him ...

Unfortunatly - you are possibly closer to the truth than you realize. With frequent stop and frisk tactic practiced by metor police - LA county and LA city police in particular, it is possible that in any random police curiser each officer could recognise, on sight most of the members of any gang in their area.

What is stupid about the gangsters - they often sit down and talk to the same officers who end up shooting them sooner or later. tht is pne reason there is so much turn-over in the low level gangsters. They are oddly proud of the fact that they graduated into being a full-fledge member of a gang. the with all the required tattoes, clothes, walks, talks ... the further immerse themselves and identify as members.

When it comes to that inevitable "Bad Day" where every thing goes totally FUBAR... at a glance - the cop knows who's who and if one of them got away once or twice - it'll be open season regardless when he, the cop gets a clean shot at the idiot.

I have to wonder why these guys kill someone in one town, make such a big deal out of staying there... knowing they have a bulls-eye on their back? You might think a year or 2 vacation in Mexico or Dallas, Seattle might be a nice way to spend some time?

If this man was really a gang member. He was unarmed and shot in the back, he could have been an innocent man and the cops are trying to shift blame. You do not often hear of an unarmed gang banger.

@someonewholiveshere: how much do you personally hear about gang bangers peroid? Do you check statistics? Are you receiving reports? Just curious because in my travels (and I teach this quite often) a gang banger will do whatever they can to get rid of their weapon of choice along with any drugs to try and minimize any more charges that they may already be facing. It also gives someone else a chance to retrieve those items.

If he was running, he was not innocent. I am so tired of everyone screaming conspiracy when someone gets shot by a police officer. Get educated, seriously!

Side note: Why would Sue's post get minimized? There was nothing wrong with her post. The monitors should really look a little closer at those trying to collapse this post. Usually it is the ones that no one listens to and they get their feelings hurt.

@Sue, I agree with you.

Exactly Sue,

1 less piece of S&*T that tax payers have to pay for. I invite anyone on this form to go hang out in Anahiem or Santa Ana for an evening. It won't take long before you are confronted by one of these pieces of crap & either robbed or murdered.

sue 835775 - You really should keep your racist comments to yourself. Your only intent here is to add fuel to the fire. You add nothing constructive or intelligent and believe me it is showing. The story states Diaz was unarmed when he was shot, not once, but twice. By reading your comments, it sounds to me you have personal issues with Latin people. If that is the case then your in for a long miserable life. I wouldn't want to be you. Maybe you should consider upping your script on Xanax and call it a day. Just trying to help you out...

Sue ,

You need to use that douch bag you're smelling up the place.

Sue,

You need to use that douch bag, you're smelling up the place hon.

Rules of engagement. If subject is not a danger you can not shoot. Running away means retreat, means no danger. the justification for shooting does not exist here. therefor it's murder in the first degree. I hope they give that cop the death penalty. I volunteer to throw the switch

these people are the real problems with illegals. Not a handful of farm workers trying to come here and make a few bucks to support their family. They love America. These trolls on the other hand have no use to society. They should all be deported and their parents for bringing them here

The only brainless person is one who backs a police state where they they shoot unarmed kids in the street. To claim this kid is a thug who has killed people without any evidence, or trail, or jury and then support his execution in the street is the thoughts of a brainless coward who is unwilling to stand up for the constitution and the principles of this country out of a misguided belief that a tiny increase in their safety from crime in a police state is worth the price of living in a police state.

anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither- benjamin franklin

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Benjamin Franklin

I can quote too. This person was a tyrant and few other things. Have you asked his victims if they were given any liberty?

These gang members have no rights they torment ppl everyday they rob the stores in there neighborhoods they harass the ppl who live in them, the ppl live in fear and behind bars and heavy doors, dont they have rights to....If you speak up to them they get all there fellow gang members and quiet the noisy ppl...............Crime in these big cities is only getting worse and there nothing the police can do about it...

rebellion against the cops fits the quote you posted too as a tyrant is

1.

a sovereign or other ruler who uses power oppressively or unjustly.
2.
any person in a position of authority who exercises power oppressively or despotically.

key word thought why was he running did something

It really does not matter he was with people that where armed and shooting at the police. The lesson is simple do not hang out with people that shoot at police. If you don't you will not get killed by the police.

Ty,

As you walk down the street, can you tell who is armed? If you can, please train law enforcement how to obtain you level of perception. You could make millions!

Spike its simple as a teenager I always knew who in my crew was packing a weapon. It was common knowledge. As I got older I realized I am know by society by the people I associate with. Associating with gang bangers increases the chances you will find this type of trouble so when it does find you there should be no surprise.

Also spike ... if this young man had simply laid on the ground and assumed the position that he should have he would still be alive. His actions cost him his life. I realize that is a hard sad lesson but it is the truth. Bad decisions have consequences ask anyone on death row.

How about NOT EXECUTING someone for running away? You just don't do that! How hard is that to comprehend? They knew who this guy was. They had to kill him to prevent escape? You people amaze me.

I love that sign that one protestor is holding! "Shoot me and I'll shoot back!" REally says something about these people! They support the gangstas!

@ Tab,

In the Diaz case, no one was armed and no one shot at the cops.

Its comical to read some of these posts from people that obviously have no idea what its like to be raised in any other world but squeaky-clean-land.. Good families, nice homes, look down your noses at misfortuned people.. etc.

I'm not sticking up for any gangbanger, hood or thug that is out to harm people. I can almost guarantee the ones YOU naive people see are just associated by the appearance of a thug, but they probably have absolutely no affiliation to any so called gang.

How convenient though, AFTER this mans murder.. Yes, yes.. He was gang affiliated, but unarmed.. Uh huh, sounds like a lot of other hardened gangstas that deserve to be killed, no weapons and running away.

I vote for your last suggestion .. I am ok with that

"running away" = retreat. retreat= no threat. no threat=no reason to shoot.

it really is that simple. REDRUM

shoot shoot and shoot again.

spike, so should the cops just start shooting anyone who runs? what happens when they kill someone who was just jogging then? they are responsible to be sure there's a weapon BEFORE they are allowed to even think about shooting. they are responsible even if there is a weapon to wait until it is reached for to shoot. the suspect simply having a weapon is not even enough grounds to legally shoot them.

You all please excuse Jason, he is nor responsible for his ignorance

are you for yours?

I would like to know how many millions are getting the families of victims killed by gang violence? I do not support police brutality but I can not take the mother's side either. We need to be responsible for our children. It is part of parenthood and she did not do a good job. The police should be more careful and effective. Killing people they way the police did is no differet than a gang violence murder. However I insist that the gov must do something against gang involvement. Laws need to change

She is a rotten mother who does not deserve one nickel for her dirtbag son's worthless life. She ought to be billed for all the costs associated with his activities. However, as far as your insisting that the government does something against gang involvement....... maybe they should just make being a gang member illegal to make the problem go away. Drugs are illegal and we no longer have a drug problem in the United States. The gun laws have reduced the number of criminals carrying guns. We're not allowed to murder anyone, so our violent crime rate has almost disappeared. RIGHT?????? Why didn't someone just make a law against it?????? Seems like such an easy solution.

The police should be more careful? They're dealing with scumbags who want to kill them. Oh brother. I suspect that you'd see things more clearly if you get the fairy dust out of your eyes. Your naivete is refreshing but so very impractical.

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What can you do as a mother when your child rebels after you did everything you could to stop it. Let's see you put them in every sport but there not interested, you go to church but when they come home they go hang out with the trouble makers, wait lock them up in their room guess what they will run away. Some kids are just harder then others. You can't tell me you don't know of any families that are respectable people but they have some family members that just don't get it. I know I do where the mother two or three kids are fine college graduates and professionals but that last one or who ever it may be isn't doing so well maybe even on drugs. Oh well probably not you because everyone you know is perfect.

Erica, great post....with the exception of the last sentence.... As far as I know, there's no handbook for raising kids so you teach them right from wrong, instill morals & values, and pray for the best! But when you KNOW your kid turns out to be a POS & gets killed, then you mourn the loss & know that you did your part. And lots of people these days don't have self-respect, and when you have none, you give none...

definition of a split second. Gang member son is shot--mother files a 50million dollar lawsuit. Need I say more?

So what you are saying Gary is that shes been waiting for this day for a long time....Had it planned out, son is hanging out with bad element, could get killed at any time by police or rival gang...If police will sue for 50 million.....

wow , this is one hard story to think about and talk about. i can not understand why a cop would kill a person just for running away , not the one that they say that had a gun on him and shot at them. some of you people are right , the police have there ways and get by with stuff that no one of us citizen's could do with out going to jail as well we got the crooked kind , need not say anymore about that. we also got good cops. now the gang bangers that kill each other. i will never understand why they could or would get caught up in this way of life? no matter what the gang you are in , just the same in my book. drugs , money , crime , girls and what i will never understand , killing there own race. they don't care about prison or nothing. i got four kids and if anyone of them , while i'm alive would join a gang i would just about disown them. you know there moms and dad know there out in this crap but they can not do anything about it once they are old enough and start the free money and stuff . i live out in the country now , not because of gangs but because we lived in the city in the housing projects and i wanted to move when seven and eight year old boys and girls would not only tell my kids as well as others to go do this to your mom and dad and they did have gangs up there but nothing like the big citys. the dads and moms could stop this stuff if they wanted to while they were young and then maybe they would stop this crap before it got started. all i can think is crazy

The worse the economy gets, the more violence we are going to see. It is so sad...

You are more right than wrong. These folks have a problem getting a job when the economy is good. Today you can't even buy a job.

Good excuse for them to rob,smash store fronts and loot. Also a reason for people to protect their property from this scum and get rid of some more and save the taxpayers from having to pay to keep them in jail.

Right Taxpayer?! I think the 5-0 should put on their riot gear, warn the crowd that if they don't disburse they will pull out machine guns, and take it from there.... Oh wait, they were warned, carry on officers

Good level headed post the best I seen here

Yeah, I guess it is dumba$$ed to write a post from actual experience with military and civilian law enforcement rather than throwing out some far left or far right talking points !!

If the cop who shot an unarmed Diaz wasn't so trigger happy there wouldn't be a lawsuit.

honey if it wasn't a cop, it would have been another gangmember!! hey at least this way mom might get some money out of it!!

You reach for your belt when you are being chased by the cops, you are going to get shot. The only guilt in the event is the kid who was guilty of being stupid.

He was a gang member, that’s a crime worth the death penalty. i want my family safe from these horrible thugs. Let me be the executioner I will be happy to exterminate all gang members.. I wish we had a hunting season on these animals..

dun!! why say stop, any moron knows not to run from a cop.. oh unless you are a criminal doing horrible things to good people!!!

Are you people kidding? Everybody knows a cop can't shoot you for running away, even if you just murdered somebody. That is denial of your constitutional right to due process.

Sue and some of you other folks are gonna be really sorry if you are ever wrongly accused and due process is the only thing that saves you. The innocent people DO get arrested sometimes. That is why we have a constitutionally mandated system that protects everyone subject to our laws. Citizen or not.

These 2 may have been the worst of the worst, but in this country everyone gets due process. Anything less is un-American.

Love it or leave it.

Those who criticize these two men for being known gang members according to police, shame on you. So what if they were. Is no one allowed to be who they want to be in this country anymore? Some just need a place to belong. Somewhere where they feel important. They may not have been getting it at home in their youth and sought out that comfort. Who knows, they may have joined a gang when they were young and there was no way out. None of us know that, because they are dead now.

Don't go trying to make this into a political statement because where death is concerned, unless it directly involves a war, it is not one. Blame the government if you want, but it really isn't their fault. We as Americans don't want illegal immigrants here. However, they take the jobs none of us want. You almost can't get any fast food without someone other white serving you your food. I'm not saying that is a bad thing. Everyone in the world deserves a chance at a better life. Okay, back to the topic.

These two men where human beings no matter what they were doing. They lost thier lives and now their family is in pain. Death is not easy for anyone to take no matter the situation. The people in the LA area has a famous case that is behind them now. Remember Rodney King and Reginald Denny? One man black, the other white. One now dead and the other still suffering from the beating he got that night.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that murder no matter who you are is wrong. We may never know if these two men were in the wrong or not, but even if they were, they had a right to be brought to justice, not killed because law enforcement can carry a gun. We need to think about how we can bring corrupt officers to justice first before we pass judgement on the public. I'm willing to bet that none of you knew these two men, yet you are willing to judge them. Think before you open your mouth in a public forum. I promise if you do, you will not look like bigot before the world. Any of you who said, anything about these men being illegal or gangbangers just because you don't have this element in your own comminity needs to get out and see a bit of the world. I promise, you will change your view on people all together.

If your dead you can't sell drugs, end of story

so if you want to be a gang banger they should be able to because every one has a right to be what they want, ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? would you be saying that if you lived in an area were you are scared to walk out side your home just in case some thing was to jump off!! your kids life is in danger because a couple of gang members have a disagreement and start shooting at each other!!! this is the life you want?? GET REAL!!! A 4yr old died because of this sh#$!!

gamngbangers are criminals, i believe that is a well established fact.. so no its not ok to be a criminal just because your mommy didnt love you.. thats the lamest excuse i have ever heard.... if you are a gangmember and you are running from police and you are one of your buddies shoot at police then you deserve to die,, criminals need to be eliminated from society.. i go out everyday and i dont get chased and shot by police,, i dont get beat up by police and police does not plant drugs on me.. so maybe i am not a gangbanger criminal.... maybe i go out do an honest days work and live a good life raising my children to not be the scum of the earth..

Laquita, ...typical democrat....Knows no boundaries. NO, being a member of a criminal enterprize is not OK. Gangs are responsible for countless murders, robberies, assaults, etc. If you are studip enugh to want to associate with these threats to society, you have to be willing to pay the price. Freedom HAS to have boundaries. Not everyone can be free to do anything they want. That's called anarchy. It doesn't work. We have the freedom to live in a decent society. These idiots gave up that freedom to be gang bangers.....
ANTI SOCIAL thugs. They got what they deserve.

lequita --really what a moron gang bangers nothing but slim need to belong really these gang bangers got what was coming to them sorry to say but its true.

You are right Lequita, our society does not want illegal aliens here. Our society is being drained by them.

The Bigots here are adding fuel to the fire. This only enrages people more and does nothing but set us back as a society. Think before you post your hate filled thoughts.

wow sue why are you so angry? and so tough just like many people on here saying things that they wouldn't say in public hidding behind their keyboards. maybe we should wait to see what the FBI investigation turns out because you or I have no idea what really happened but yet start assuming things about the people involved in the shooting. by the way I grew up in a gang neighboorhood but i'm not a gang member and to tell you the truth I have never seen a gangmember that wasn't armed and this guy wasn't armed. so there was no reason to shoot him. Anaheim P.D.'s own report says that he was unarmed and running away, so what in your mind justifies the shooting? just because he was an aleged gang member? which we have no knowledge of been factual, then by your own logic white supremassists, the BLA, the tee-party,the kkk ect... should be arrested or executed because people don't happen to agree with them and I by no means support or expouse any of this groups or their beliefs, but i also don't have a right to shoot them just because i'm so disgusted with their actions. that's why we have laws in this country that protect even the most vile indivials who commit some of the most heinous crimes against people for example the guy who shot all of those people in the theater last friday. he wasn't killed by the police eventhough many people were calling for his death. we don't just take people out and shoot them by the way at the time of his death the guy wasn't breaking any laws!!! and having a batch doesn't excuse you from taking responsability for your actions whether they were justified or not!!!

Thank you BMOC8357,

For explaining that so eloquently. Sue 835775 has been having a bad couple of days lately, She's been really smelling up the place. I'm going to have to talk to her about her feminine hygiene here on the boards. We can't have her running around rampant with that stench in the air.

I am a competitive shooter who has the opportunity to shoot and practice with two police departments. I know the drill about what is a proper situation which would require deadly force. I would not think twice about freezing and not moving a muscle if I was ordered to do so by a law officer.

God I feel so sorry for the police of the United States, thank you for your service 99.99% of good, honest cops like this one who I am sure are fed up with dealing with this filth of society. Go back to your filthy, worthless, pathetic country you worthless spics. Gas every illegal immigrant in the California judicial system with Zyklon B as far as I'm concerned. I'm done giving away my hard-earned taxes to lock up this scum who doesn't deserve to live and breath our precious oxygen for another minute.

When there is chaos everywhere in the streets the cops will stay home to protect their own families. That's when you'll really wish they were around. Sad to say, Southern Cal has been over run by this counter culture of vermin gangbangers and wannabes. It's been going on for years and many of them are spawns of illegal immigrants and have no self-esteem whatsoever. Most law abiding people know the drill when it comes to law enforcement personnel. The bangers don't care about anyone or anything. They are scum. Probably a lot of the Anaheim mob came over from LA because it isn't Laker season. I wonder how many people realize that when police and fire people retire in LA County, many immediately move to Idaho, Wyoming or other places with small minority populations because they've had a belly full. Fact of life, folks. No minorities, less crime, less bull$hit.

I don't understand the mask thing unless they are afraid, embarassed or are they trying to be scary & terrorizing.

TRUE and this country is worried about a handful of people crossing the border to do farm work, these are the real leaches

I'm not half as worried about the police as I am about the gang banger offspring of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

THEY are the ones you should worry about.

AMEN

A.Gent is a dumb ass :

For Those Who Understand No Explanation is Necessary!
For Those Who Do Not Understand No Explanation is Possible!!!

Being brave is no excuse to commit murder !!!

guard- The police's job is to stomach this, not be fed up and lash out. They are trained and they are paid to do exactly this. They are required to be more than just 'only human'. Your attitude of 'a man can only take so much' is making way too many excuses for everyone.

How would you know?You're not anyone who has ever had a job which required you to do a foot patrol in Disneyland,let alone go out prancing around a dangerous area on foot fighting crime.That is, unless this "foot patrol" was walking around the area picking up trash and scooping dog poop.You're just someone on the 'net thinking that in your own little corner of your own little world (as the song goes) you can be whatever you want to be.

For the record I have lived in a neighborhood where the crime rate was increasing dramatically and when my neighbors and I would call for help the cops on duty were consistently either too chicken, too lazy,or both to even drive through the area.Many law-abiding citizens have been on our own for years trying to combat crime in own neighborhoods because of "cops" who won't do their jobs. Really sad because I personally know some intelligent,well-educated law officers who are decent human beings.The good ones don't need the cowards, bullies,goof-offs,and jack-booted thugs hiding behind badges to make (good cops') jobs any harder by making citizens distrustful.

KC,

He wasn't on foot until he got out of his patrol car. Everything I have read from both shootings this week states that both times the officers were in squad cars.

In the Diaz case the report released from Anaheim P.D. states the officer had just entered the back alley area and saw 3 men standing next to a vehicle when he turned on his overhead lights when they bolted from the scene.

In the armed guy case were the gang member shot at the cop the officer spotted 3 gang members in a stolen SUV when they took off and crashed the vehicle. They fled on foot, one was caught, one got shot and killed when he fired on the officer chasing him (good for the cop) and one got away.

2 completely different incidents where one was justified and one is highly questionable.

@ KC

I was in KC last month and I now know that 12th street and vine do not intersect like the song says. I still drank the bottle of wine I bought for the pic we were going to take.

LOL

If Obama wins, will you leave the country ?

illegals can't vote stupid

They can in california s long as they vote democrat. This state says it is illegal to prove who you say you are at the voting centers. And dodger. I would bet that those 2 were born here and are legal residents. But if this countries leaders had done the right thing and deported their parents before they were born then none of this would have happened. The facts are that the illegals are too busy trying to make ends meet most of the time to be involved with a gang. So their unattended children do get involved with gangs. The police have failed to make clear to the public what exactly type of gang they were in. Was it a criminal thug type or a grfittii gang, etc. etc....

SeeWhat I mean188,

I keep trying to explain to some of the morons here that legally, illegals are not allowed to vote but they still don't get it. So don't even try explaining it to them. They've been listening to Fucx News and Rush limbballs to long and are brainwashed. Newsflash: People are required by law to show proper identification when registering to vote and guess what moranians, the so called illegals, they don't have the proper IDENTIFICATION. Besides Obama does not need their vote, he already has the 90% of Legal Latin/Hispanic (what ever you want to call it today) he has their vote. It's in the bag.... so chill....

People have registered their dogs to vote just to prove how simple it is to commit voter fraud. Now if people can do that then I am quite sure an illegal can register themself as well. Here is a little something from the huffington post. Who's the moron now?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/01/dog-registered-to-vote-thomas-tolbert_n_1314963.html

Here you go moron. a quick clip from the article.

Voter registration fraud is no laughing matter. That is, unless you're registering a dog.

Thomas Tolbert, an Albuquerque man, received the registration card for his dog when he passed a voter registration booth on the University of New Mexico campus a few weeks ago, according to KOB.com. Upon seeing the booth, he decided to see how easy it might be to register Buddy to vote.

It wasn't very hard to pull off. Tolbert, a Republican, was able to register the dog as a Democrat.

"They should verify," he told KOB. "Somebody should have verified this information and somebody should have come out and took a look at exactly who it was. But I made up a birth date, and I made up a social security number and I had a voter registration card in my hand for Buddy two weeks later."

Beyond having a laugh, Tolbert had hoped to expose how easy it may be to falsely register to vote.

Here is another example for the "moron " who thinks there is no way for an illegal alien to vote in this country....

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2012/jun/18/bedford-county-dead-dog-receives-voter-registratio-ar-1996759/

: June 18, 2012 Updated: June 18, 2012 - 6:28 PM

BEDFORD COUNTY, VA --

When Tim Morris got his mail last week he found a pretty big surprise, a
document asking his dog Mozart to register
to vote.

Not only is Mozart a dog but he's been dead for two years.

"I opened it up and looked at it and I just laughed," Morris said. "I thought
it was a joke at first and it turns out it's real."

The form is addressed to Mo, the family's nickname for the dog.

What amazed Morris is that if Mozart was human he would have been eligible to
vote for the first time in 2012.

"He would have been 19 years old this year and he passed away two years ago,"
he said. "I still have no earthly idea how they got his information."

10 On Your Side looked deeper and found that the voter registration
forms were sent by the non-profit Voter Participation Center, not the State
Board of Elections.

So we contacted the Voter Participation Center and found that they purchase
mailing lists from vendors and while they do try and check every name the
organization admits that some do fall through the cracks.

The voter registration efforts are focused on groups like young people,
minorities, and unmarried women.

This could help explain why the Morris' dog Mozart didn't receive a
registration form until now, since he would have been 18.

The Board of Elections said they've received similar complaints but since the
Voter Participation Center is a private organization they can't stop them from
sending voter registration forms.

As for Morris he's hopeful the problem can be controlled so animals like
Mozart won't be deciding elections anytime soon.

Why do so many people say if you don't run from the police, everything will be fine. If you are a gangster, and you lay down, you will be kneed in the back and neck, you will probably be pepper sprayed, tazed and/or severly beaten, and possibly shot. You better run.

Yes, if you are a gangster. But I must stress the fact that this lifestyle is a CHOICE, and choosing it puts your safety at risk at all times. They had their chance to turn their back on this lifestyle, start respecting themselves, their communities and the authorities.

I understand that not all gangsters commit crimes, or hate the police. However, they are inseparably stereotyped with crime and undermining authority, which is why no one should choose this lifestyle.

All gang members should be not only kneed in the back, pepper sprayed, tazed or beaten,, but also executed for being a gang member.. why is this even a question,, criminals need to be eliminated from good society. OMG why am i living in crazy land? Half of California already lives with bars on the windows,, my god this is crazy, who has to live locked in their home for safety? by GOD if you come on my land to do bad i will shoot you down like the dog you are... no bars on my home...

Troy- I understand you, but your ideas are too extreme for my taste. I personally can't stand gangs either, as they are 'crime cults', but putting them to death is a step too far in my eyes.

Rather, the general public needs to be responsible to change it. Music and media need to kick out celebrities that promote gang activity/create and use terms such as FTP. Clothing industry needs to determine what is considered 'thug wear' and stop producing it. The government needs to crack down on the Mexican-U.S. border to prevent drug smuggling into the states. If the U.S. did this, it could easily solve 50% of crimes, if not more.

Maybe these creeps and A. Gent Orange should rethink the wisdom of being a gangbanger, or defending them, in the first place.

On second thought, I probably should stifle it, you could have been Obama's children.

Calen, I do understand your point and I do agree with you for the most part... I just think criminals who openly live a life of crime and walk in public is ludicrous. If we let a killer hide behind a loophole in the law we all deserve what we get. Let alligators in your swimming pool and go swimming is beyond stupid. So why would we let gang members, who (by statistical facts) commit 50% of all crimes in the USA walk were our children play is even more stupid. A criminal is a criminal & illegal is illegal.. I do not let my children go places dangerous, so why do I have to let dangerous people in my city, state or country?.. this is my children’s home…. I just believe all gang member should have 48 hours to leave my city, state & country or be hinted like the animal they are.. I mean really people these gang members rape young teen women, force them into prostitution, they sell meth to junior high school kids, getting them hooked on it, rob family homes, & business, extort money from business to not burn them out and murder people. These are horrible people that will kill you for your shoes.. my GOD they are your worst nightmare.. How can you let them just walk around and hide behind loopholes in the law…????

Calen- you have to understand there is a psychology to gangbangers. I'm not making excuses for anyone, but these kids lives have no example of a successful anything. There is too much to cover to explain this problem but it is very complicated.

The point is you and I see it as a CHOICE, but they don't see it that way at all. They don't see a life where anything other than gangs is normal.

Rather, the general public needs to be responsible to change it. Music and media need to kick out celebrities that promote gang activity/create and use terms such as FTP. Clothing industry needs to determine what is considered 'thug wear' and stop producing it. The government needs to crack down on the Mexican-U.S. border to prevent drug smuggling into the states. If the U.S. did this, it could easily solve 50% of crimes, if not more

Our past saw the Zoot suit riots of the 40's - for dressing too snazy. Now you want to prevent riots, by telling Chicanos they are UnAmerican for dressing down?

Hell, Bubba - make up your mind - why don't cha?

The riots began in Los Angeles, amidst a period of rising tensions between white male American servicemen stationed in southern California and Los Angeles' Mexican-American community. Although Mexican-American men were, for their numbers, disproportionately overrepresented in the military, many white servicemen resented seeing so many Latinos socializing in clothing many considered unpatriotic and extravagant in wartime.

The truth?... It was over money and women. The Mexicans were not being drafted, they weren't citizens (some were), and they were working war time job and making good money in the war industries; AirPlan industry was hiring any able-body man - since all the other 1-a's were going to war.

Our society is breaking down, no doubt about it. All the crap from our political fights is seeping into every corner of our society. It is a slow process but a lot of the posts you see here are a result of it. No one thinks we should follow the constitution anymore. If you have committed a crime you no longer have the right to a fair trial, you have the right to a bullet between your eyes. We no longer have the right to our privacy, we have the right to be probed, searched, or otherwise scanned to make sure we are not terrorists.

As the Right becomes more and more extreme keep watching, things will get worse. We will have a lot of people like George Zimmerman who think they are above the law. That they have the right to shoot anyone they do not know walking through their neighborhood for looking even just a tad bit suspicious. Parts of Louisiana are already like that actually.

It has nothing to do with the violence on TV or games or any of those other bullcrap excuses. It has to do with parents teaching their kids that some people are better then others. That some people do not deserve their rights when they have done something.

The economic pressures are likely another reason. The poor and lower middle class are getting the thumb screws while Congress dicks around with party politics. As it gets hard for them to provide for their families they may move to more drastic measures. It is a truly ****ed up situation all the way around and there is no easy way to fix it even with re-educating our population about what it means to be a civilized human again.

Sad to say but it may take some kind of disaster, on a national level, to repair the rifts being created.

Families are becoming extinct along with values & responsibilities parents use to teach their children as the State school system & daycares become our children parents. Along with a justice system that has confused Constituional Rights of a fair trial to a game of excuses. Many lawyers don't care if they are allowing criminals to continue to prey on the weak & innocents as long a they win, even when the know their clients are guilty.

Basically we have become a society of excuses & blaming others instead of taking responsibility for one's own actions. Instead of teaching children right from wrong I have seen parents tell their children, "don't worry, they can't prove anything in court." instead of you need to responsibility for your choices in life, right or wrong.

Its not just the cities...

You do know that Crystal Meth is big, real big in the heart land right? The gangs are in Omaha, Chickasha, Gotebo and Long Knife too.

the mothers are fully aware of what their sons are doing, of course there are no fathers in the picture. When they come home with money clothes shoes, etc and don't have a job where do the mothers think this stuff came from? they know

Its the family business... there are gang families going back 4 deep. Dad didn't run of - he's in the pen doing 5 to life for carrying out a revenge killing on another gang member. Could have been an enemy, might even have been a best friend who tried to get out of the "life".

What will come out will be the kid's who were not taught right.

What will come out will be the opportunistic sorry assed looters.

What will come out will be destruction.

Not so much from protest, but from animal behavior.

It happened before, it will happen again.

You won't see banners of protesters peacefully walking the streets.

You will see animalistic mobs destroying and taking what is not theirs.

AND they will "justify" it.

Let a cop kill an unarmed white man.

An investigation ensues, and it's over.

Let a cop kill anyone of "color" and all hell breaks loose.

I am sick of this crap.

True Ignorance in motion

Viewer Ready Very well said!!!! i agree 100%

I lived through the LA riots and it was exactly as you wrote Randy. Animal mentality under the guise of justification and vindication.

Joe - your just silly. These "thugs with badges" deal with this @!$%# everyday, I would suggest they have tolerated more in a week than we will in a lifetime. I'm not saying all cops are golden, but I won't condemn them for shooting a gang banger. We have a choice on how we live our lives, and all gang banger's will eventually have to take their medicine: death by cop, death by rival, or prison.

Funny, Had_Enough_Yet, I was not a cop, but as a Paramedic I saw senseless violence between human beings all the time. I was even once shot in the thigh by a startled patient, a "gang banger" who'd been shot in the abdomen. He regained consciousness and panicked and drew a concealed 9mm. Yeah, I saw the same sort of things, and not once have I had the urge to retaliate let alone kill anyone.