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A protester holds a sign with a picture of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, during day one of Apraio's and his sheriff's department civil rights trial in Phoenix, Arizona on July 19.
PHOENIX, Ariz. -- A deputy from a controversial Arizona sheriff's office countered accusations of racial profiling on Thursday, telling a court that he had risked his life to rescue a Latino illegal immigrant from armed kidnappers.
Carlos Rangel told a civil trial alleging Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his office engage in racially profiling Latinos that, at the behest of federal immigration police, he went undercover to play the role of the immigrant's relative to meet kidnappers, one of whom pointed a gun at him.
The kidnappers were arrested and the immigrant was released.
Asked by defense lawyer Tom Liddy if he was an "anti-Hispanic bigot," Rangel answered: "No. I am not."
The Justice Department suit accuses Maricopa County, Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio of systematically violating the civil rights of Latinos. NBC's Pete Williams reports.
Arpaio, who styles himself "America's toughest sheriff," and his office are defendants in a class-action lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Phoenix that will test whether police can target illegal immigrants without racially profiling Hispanic citizens and legal residents.
The 80-year-old lawman testified this week he was against racial profiling and denied his office arrested people because of the color of their skin.
The case will serve as a precursor to a civil rights lawsuit filed by the federal government, which is much broader.
Feds sue Arizona's Sheriff Joe Arpaio, alleging racial profiling
The plaintiffs, a group of Latinos, say they were discriminated against during sweeps to flush out criminals and illegal immigrants in Maricopa County, which includes the metropolitan Phoenix area. During such sweeps, sheriff's deputies flood an area of a city — in some cases, heavily Latino areas — over several days to seek out traffic violators and arrest other offenders.
'Dark-skinned people'
The group accused Arpaio of launching some sweeps based on emails and letters from residents who complained that "dark-skinned people" were congregating in a given area or speaking Spanish. The group says deputies in the sweeps pulled over Hispanics without probable cause, making the stops only to inquire about the immigration status of the people in the vehicles.
The sheriff has said that people are stopped only if authorities have probable cause to believe they have committed crimes and that deputies later find many are illegal immigrants.
Arpaio's office maintained that illegal immigrants accounted for 57 percent of the 1,500 people arrested in the 20 sweeps conducted since January 2008, according to figures provided by the sheriff's department, which hasn't conducted any such patrols since October.
The sheriff, who is seeking re-election to a sixth term in November, has been a lightning rod for controversy over his aggressive enforcement of immigration laws in the state, as well as his investigation into the validity of President Barack Obama's birth certificate.
Arizona was in the news last month when the U.S. Supreme Court upheld a key element of the state's crackdown on illegal immigrants requiring police to investigate those they stop and suspect of being in the country illegally.
Arpaio faces a separate, broader lawsuit filed by the U.S. Justice Department in May, alleging systematic profiling, sloppy and indifferent police work and a disregard for minority rights.
The civil lawsuit was lodged in the name of Manuel Ortega Melendres, one of five Hispanics who say they were stopped by deputies because they were Latino, which Arpaio denies. It was later opened to all Latino drivers stopped since 2007.
Arizona Sheriff Arpaio under scrutiny in racial profiling case
Melendres, a Mexican tourist on a valid visa in a truck was pulled over ostensibly because the white driver was speeding.
Rangel, who arrested Melendres, was asked by plaintiffs' counsel if he had questioned the driver. He told the court he had no grounds to investigate the driver.
When asked by Liddy if he had ever racially profiled anyone while working at the sheriff's office, Rangel, a 13-year veteran of the force, replied: "No".
In later testimony, a Hispanic woman who is a U.S. citizen told the court she was pulled over by a sheriff's deputy in 2009 on suspicion she had drugs, alcohol and weapons in her car as she drove home from studying at a Phoenix valley university.
Despite telling the deputy she was pregnant, Lorena Escamilla said, she was thrown roughly onto the back seat of his patrol car. A subsequent search of her car did not find any drugs. While she was cited for failure to produce identification and not having insurance, charges against her were dropped.
McJail? Sheriff's 'Tent City' gets McDonald's-like number 'served' sign
Escamilla said she later filed a charge of assault with Phoenix police department against the deputy and has since been fearful of being pulled over by the officer.
Also testifying was a Hispanic mother who was in a vehicle with a group of Boy Scouts that was pulled over in 2009 by a deputy for speeding while returning from the Grand Canyon.
Diona Solis, who is also a U.S. citizen, said the deputy was "rude" and "mocking" and unnecessarily requested identification from the boys in the car aged 8 to 11, among them her son.
"The boys were minors ... I thought it was unreasonable to ask them for IDs ... they hadn't done anything wrong," she said.
Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Lets see, Obama will not prosecute illegals if their parents brought them here, but will prosecute states if they try to enforce immigration law, and medical marijuana facilities in the US. It would appear the federal law enforcement agencies have declared war on american citizens. In Europe and in most of Latin America if a cop asks you for identification you have to give it them I have had them come into hotels and check peoples identification. I voted for that stupid little man last election, Obama, I don't think I will vote at all for president this election. He is divisive, partisian and panders to every little group for their vote. He is not my president any more.
Racial Profiling?
Hmmmm, 80% of the illegal aliens are from Mexico or other Latin American countries. So, the chances of catching a blonde haired, blue eyed Norwegian is slim, but finding a Hispanic appearing person isn't.
When a 6'4 tall, obese, white man robs a store and his description is given to the police, do they go after a black 5'2 thin woman? This racial profiling is OK, but if you use it to catch illegal trespassers you're investigated by our criminal Attorney General and his Justice Department.
Yep, only in America.
This self proclaimed "lawman" is nothing but a mere media whore plain and simple. The covert racism that exists plays out daily. His degrading homophobic bigotry is shown in the pink under wear he makes his inmates wear. And bologna sandwiches adds to this indiscretion. The fact remains that his hate of immigrants has reached proportions of delusion in his attack on the President of OUR nation. When clearly he has NO proof and President Obama is in fact, President. ; ]
He simply tried to thwart if not intimidate the justice department by "investigating" the President I'm sure hoping the case would then go away. But again, all he truly wishes is to be famous in the media spotlight.... ; ]
Cheers
if i have this right when you take an oath to uphold the laws of the land i think thats what your suppose to do. i think holder and obama might be able to learn something from joe. we used to be a country of laws thats why we are not like mexico or other third world countrys. i think we need a couple thousand more sheriff joes. someone who does his job and not afraid to take heat for it! i know if i get stopped because i look like someone the police are looking for im prepared to show who i am just to clear things up.
You are very foolish, its people like you who don't vote that elect A-holes like Romney. And if you check back you will find that Obama gave into the repubs when it benefited the people who were out of work or people who are senior citizens and people who are poor. You sit back and watch while Romney and the repubs end all benefits like food stamps and medicare for the poor and those out of work. Watch the children die of starvation. Have a nice day and please vote , but not for Romney.
well i do vote every time with out fail. and i dont vote along party lines i dont really like either one .i vote for the person who i think is going to the best job for everyone someone who is balanced. and if im foolish for thinking our laws should be upheld then guilty as charged. im a first generation american my parents worked very hard to become americans. im also a vietnam vet i enlisted. im tired of people squaking about their rights i look at living in the usa as a privilege and everyone needs to do their fair share to enjoy this privilege. way to many people sit on their backends and complain its time to get up and do their fair share instead of riding the gravey train
People here are a bunch of cry babies, yea when TSA ask a White person question or does a pat down you all cry like your above it all, see the problem here is why are the Whites not being put through the same BS like people with dark skin, if it were the case then I could say there was no profiling but until that happens it is profiling and if you're too damn stupid to understand that it really does not surprise me.
Bill R, Obama, Has had nearly 4 years to FIX our economy and can't. If he can't get the job
done the first term, ya think this feather merchant can get er done with a
second. All of his words and slogans aren't going to " Create " a job, he thinks he can legislate a affluent
society. Romney actually created a company which actually employed our people and on top of that he and
his employees payed taxes for the privilege of growing this country. Now contrast that with the Obama
background.
Non-profit this, Acorn that, the man knows nothing except the public dole. Is it any wonder he is way out
of his league. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.
Dan - you don't know what you're taking about. More illegals have been arrested/deported under Obama's administration than any other president.
JimSpence - You don't have a clue either. Just because you "look hispanic" is not license to be arrested/detailed, sometimes for hours, while your true status is being verified.
have declared war on American citizens. Seems that Sheriff Joe's Deputies declared war on Arizona American citizens if they are of Hispanic descent. Assumed guilty until proven innocent.
Bill R (in response to Dan) "You are very foolish, its people like you who don't vote that elect A-holes like Romney."
You must be kidding my friend.
A quote from a Thomas Sowell piece:
Upon learning that the Constitution requires a president to be a natural born citizen, a college student said: "What makes a natural born citizen any more qualified than one born by C-section?"
The sole reason Obama is president is because all the clueless of this mentality, who usually don't vote, came out in droves to make a social statement by electing our first "black" president, giving Obama, a man who had fewer leadership skills and business experience than an assistant manager at McDonalds, the margin needed to win.
If Dan does not vote again, that will help Romney.
Gumps...
All the illegals deported by Bush and Obama together doubled doesn't put a dent in the problem. Obama stepped up deportation on illegals who have committed crimes in addition to being in the country illegally. This way he can look like he's doing something and the likes of La Raza, MECHA, LULAC, etc can't complain because he's deporting criminals.
What was it Lincoln said? Something like, "You can fool some of the people some all of the time...."
You will know a politician is serious about illegal immigration when he/she cracks down on the employers who give them the incentive to come here in the first place.
A bigot risked his life arresting a kidnaper. (his Job) Of course that means he isn’t a bigot.
Border patrol and ICE agents have the legal authority to stop anyone, anywhere and at anytime and demand proof of citizenship. For the life of me, I can't understand why some people are so upset with a law enforcement official from Arizona doing this and then not say a single word about federal agents doing the same thing they're foaming at the mouth about.
Sorry Dan! He IS your President and you're going to have to deal with that until 2016 ends. Had to suffer 4 years of living in Bushville so I know you will survive!
I've been pulled over many times because I "Fit the description" but I have no problem with it and I tell you why. I've done nothing wrong... then I show my ID and run-along. I'f I did something wrong, then I'm sweating bullets. In other words... I was speeding, they where looking for a suspect... etc. but they MUST do their Job... Do people exist on the force that are racist.... yep... but that should not stop them from doing their Job and doesn't stop me from enjoying the privilege of living in the USA.
This sheriff has been a target in several administrations, countless lawsuits and the most investigate state sheriff in the History of the USA. I read his bio and this man has some serious credentials and has been re-elected many times. The justice dept. need to be investigated with fast and furious... God knows what else. Illegal is exactly that... illegal.
ask anyone who has come here legally if they mind showing proof. i made alot of friends in colorado that came here from mexico.not only are they willing to show proof they are proud of it. they are hard working law abiding proud new citizens and they are not happy when some one tries to beat the system to come here illegally . point is not all latinos feel an injustice when asked for proof of residencey
When, exactly did Arpaio's supposed "undercover sting" take place?
Does ANYONE actually believe that "the most famous sheriff in America" is actually personally going undercover for any reason at all, let alone to "help Latinos"?
Spare me the bull@!$%#...
Tell that fat @!$%# to just lay down, hold still, and let them finish shoveling in the dirt. These last-ditch attempts to make him look like a "hero" aren't going to keep him from the prosecution he's so richly earned.
He's over.
"During such sweeps, sheriff's deputies flood an area of a city — in some cases, heavily Latino areas — over several days to seek out traffic violators and arrest other offenders."
This is by far the dumbest sentence of the day! Where in the hell are you supposed to look for illegal hispanics? Try upscale white neighborhoods or black ones?
What these liberals want the sherrif to do is not offend the sensitive hispanic residents of Maricopa County by actually thinking they could be hiding illegals or that illegals would actually live amoung them! Sherrif Joe goes where they are - in hispanic neighborhoods, like it or not.
As far as racial profiling goes - if someone looks the wrong way at blacks or latinos, it's racial profiling!!! Always ready to play the race card. However if it were reversed those self same groups would be anger if whites accused them of racial profiling.
The Sheriff ought to counter sue the Feds for not doing their constitutional duty. Eric Holder needs to go, he is a crook.
No they don't...no more than any other cop. They have to have cause.
How about this...
How about we REVOKE the citizenship of a deadbeat, system sucking, undeserving welfare receiving (not all are undeserving), scum of life...
And GIVE it to someone who really wants to improve their life...even if this person is an illegal. At least then this person will pay taxes and pay into the same game like everyone else (instead of being a drain on society).
Just saying...
Obama's rewards-and-special-treatment-for-immigration-lawbreaking-scheme is a HUGE turnoff to the vast majority of Americans, who are disgusted that our leaders have opted to pander to the ILLEGAL ALIENS and their insufferable advocates, thus jeopardizing the rights of AMERICAN CITIZENS and LEGAL IMMIGRANTS! As a life-long Democrat who voted for Obama in '08, I will not do so this time on the basis of his pro-rewards-and-special-treatment-for-immigration-lawbreaking agenda and his decision to sue states that have merely sought to enforce the EQUIVALENT OF EXISTING FEDERAL LAW (which federal laws have long-required that IMMIGRANTS carry proof of their entitlement to be in the U.S. at all times). I believe that there are other Democrats and Independents who are equally disgusted and will not vote for Obama in Election 2012.
A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!
The Sheriff is enforcing the LAW and him & his Department should be rewarded for that effort. Let the Illegals complain and if the Illegals don't like it they can go back from where they came. In the very near future if the Feds. continue to ignore the Illegal Alien problem regular U.S. Citizens will remove the Illegal Aliens themselves and it won't be "gentle". Enforcing U.S. Laws is something O'Bama and his Boy Eric Holder know nothing about. O'Bama is looking out for himself and the Vote and could really care less about the Legal Tax Paying U.S. Citizen. Actually, the Sheriff should have Eric Holders job and Eric and O'Bama should be prosecuted for aiding others in the violating U.S. Laws.
Basher...I like that idea. Take every able-bodied, mentally healthy, chronic welfare leech and stand them face to face with an illegal and tell them, either find a job or this guy gets your citizenship.
That would make a very good reality show.
culheath ice and border patrol fall under dept of homeland security and they have more power than your average patrol officer. just like dea falls under treasury they can do just about what ever they please. i also believe the coast guard has been put under this umbrella to give them more power than just being a branch of the military
Illigal or not its a human being.
Is this man saying he want to check ID before doing his "christian duty"
Former ICE exec James Pendergraph said himself in 2008 to a police conference that "If you can't charge them criminally but you think they may be here illegally, we can make them disappear."
According to Wikipedia, there are now 187 government agencies under the direction of or is partially or completely funded by Homeland Security:
US Customs and Immigration Services (USCIS)
Customs And Border Protection (CBP
Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)
Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE)
Transportation Security Administration (TSA)
The US Coast Guard (USCG)
The US National Guard
US Northern Command (US NorthCom)
US Southern Command (US SouthCom)
US Secret Service
Office Of The Inspector General
Domestic Nuclear Detection Office
Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
Federal Protective Service
National Communications System
Directorate for Science and Technology
Office of Health Affairs
Office of Intelligence And Analysis
Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties
Office of Legislative Affairs
Office of Counternarcotics Enforcement
Office of the Executive Secretariat
National Cyber Security Center
Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service
Directorate for Management (financial agency)
Office of Policy
Office of Operations Coordination
after reading some of the comments here i wonder do some of you think people get into law enforcement just to harass people? sometimes i think the only friends i have are in law enforcement. these are average men in women that have taken up a calling because they love their their fellow man and want to keep them safe. its disapointing to see negative remarks about those who try to keep us safe. are there a few bad ones sure. but for the most part these are great people who put their lives on the line every day. they and the military deserve the highest amount of respect we can give them.
Sherriff Joe is under investigation because he publicly went after Barack Obama and his birth certificate. There is nothing else more important in this article than that statement. Why else would the justice department be attacking him.
As to culheath, Border patrol and ICE do not need reasonble cause to ask for ID. The standard is articulable suspicion. Can the officer clearly state the reasons why he believes that this person was in the country illegally.
To the hispanic community, to stop this from continuing take a hard stance against those members of your race entering the country illegally and isolate them from you quickly. It will save you alot of headache.
Doesn't matter there still has to be cause and little things like warrants whether it's local state or federal or even military. The constitution applies to all of them.
JimSpence,
You idiot. They're accusing him of racially profiling because he assumes that every hispanic person he comes across is an illegal immigrant.
"Hmmmm, 80% of the illegal aliens are from Mexico or other Latin American countries"
Might want to check your stats. There's plenty of russian and former ussr illegals, can't say they're all blond blue eye norwegians, as well as illegal chinese, but hey what ever floats your boat dude. By the way, if there were any real stats in existance, we know who all the illegals are so there wouldn't be such a problem right.
f hill,
Nobody is criticizing the good law enforcement officers. We're only criticizing the ones who are corrupt.
I can give you a thousand reasons why you should'nt vote for Obama, but if you'd open your eyes, I would'nt have to tell you. No Mas, No Bama 2012, for the good of the country, THIS COUNTRY. AMERICA. As far as the Sherriff is concerned, if the goverment would do their jobs, we would'nt need people like Joe. Illegal immigrants do not have ANY rights in this country. Once again, they are ILLEGAL. Do your job Washington, or let others do it for you, our country is overran now. We have eyes
butch i understand. when you get to know as many as i have over a period of time sometimes its hard to take alot of generalized comments and when some have lost their lives or their partners have lost their lives its even tougher to take.
culheath...I don't know what your personal experience is with Border Patrol, but I have been stopped by them when walking through desert looking for Indian artifacts. Being a 6'2" white guy, and my companion a 6'4" white guy, the only probable cause reason they gave was they thought we might be Russians. Yes they have to have probable cause, which is, they suspect you might be illegal.
I've personally witnessed the Border Patrol more than once stop Hispanics in Freer, Tx and ask them for proof of citizenship. Only once did they take one guy away, every other time, they were all released. The only probable cause I saw was that the guys were Hispanic. But of course, so where the BP agents. So yes, "for any reason" is technically inaccurate, but the only probable cause they need is "I suspected he/she might be in the country illegally", which is just short of stopping someone for any reason.
Arpaio is an embarrassment to our country IMO. His methods are inappropriate, regardless of the situation. He's a straight-up @sshole and deserves to be removed from his position. He takes the most unprofessional approach to law enforcement.
Note that this opinion comes from a white, politically moderate, natural born US citizen who makes 2 times the US median income, so I don't have a racial, economic, or political agenda. I just see Mr. Arpaio as being a prominent representative of the worst form of law enforcement officer, and I am ashamed that he does what he does in the name of my country. I hope he goes to prison.
I don't care if it ends with a prison sentence or just mere removal from office. Joe Arpaio is a disgrace to the great state of Arizona and needs to be stopped.
baja5b he is an elected sheriff .so i guess the only thing that matters is the people who vote for him like him.and he keeps getting re elected by a pretty large margin.
An elected sheriff can still be convicted for a crime and go to prison. That's what I'm hoping for. I don't care who does or doesn't vote for him. It isn't relevant to my position.
Don't you realize most of these illegal border jumpers think they should have the same rights as citizens. I am so tired of people saying that these illegals can't get this, or they can't get, for crying out loud open your eyes, they do get these things and more. So what if a sweep is planned for a certain part of city where there is known criminals and they sweep up illegals more power to the law enforcement. This admin may have deported many but with all that this admin has done to keep more illegals here, I think the cross each other out. To me it is called dividing the country and we are divided.
I asked my father-in-law about this once, and he just laughed and said "why should I pay more for people who won't work as hard, and require so much paperwork?"
Employers have a pretty sweet deal down in those states. It won't change either. All this talk about illegals is pointless; they're here to stay, and more are coming. One way or another.
baja5b ican clearly see im not as smart as you but you dont go to jail for civil cases. and thats what this piece is about a civil trial.
The Sheriff has approx. 8000 inmates on any day and processes over a 100,000 offenders yearly.
If you want to see some of the trash the Sheriffs Dep't has to deal with everyday go to:
http://www.mcso.org/Mugshot/
Bill R, you're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
23 deleted, Dame808 admonishing 'you short sided stupid media brain washed liberal PC C#ck S#ckers!'
You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
f hill: I understand that it is a civil trial. I was expressing my wish for him to be incarcerated nevertheless. I'll settle for him being fined into next week and stripped of his position as a result.
Rontron: It doesn't matter who they have to deal with. As long as he is given a pulpit that gets attention outside of his home state he need to behave with professionalism and not embarrass his country. Private citizens can act the maverick. Those in public office at any level are held to a higher standard. Joe is missing that standard by a huge margin.
Good! We finally have a Republican honest enough to admit why he hates Obama, he's our first black president.
stockcar19,
How do you know what the most of the illegal immigrants feel that they are entitled to? You're making an over broad and sweeping statement. I think it's more accurate to say that they just want to work and make money to put food on their families table. Why are you so judgmental of them? How far would you be willing to go to put food on your family's table???
In my neighborhood, illegals get loans to buy $50,000 SUV's. Come to Chicago and see for yourself.
Oh really? And how do you know this? Do you know the citizen status of everyone who buys a new vehicle? And even if it's true, so what's your point? How did they pay for it? Cash? Then so what? If they financed, then again, so what business is it of yours? The point Butch was making is still valid - the vast majority of workers that come here are unskilled laborers who simply want to provide for themsevles and their families. They try not to draw attention to themselves, so they are not rowdy, commit crimes, etc. In fact, many of them are victims of crimes such as assaults and robberies; the bad guys know that they will not go to the cops out of fear of being found out. All of this so people like you can benefit from the fruits of their cheap labor.
apriori
Thank you for the invite but I have an allergy to lead mosquitoes. Different topic I know.
My my, so now you're checking school records as well as citizenship status of would be car purchasers. How do you have the time?
They have to live somewhere - so they pay property taxes; if they rent, the landlord pays taxes and collects money to pay the taxes from the rent. If they own a home, again they pay taxes. Property taxes are used to subsidize the schools that their kids attend. If they buy food, clothes, vehicles, etc. they pay sales taxes just like everyone else.
apriori,
They caught 2 in my city claiming low income to get free lunches for their kids. One was an elementary school principal that makes around $85k a yr. The other woman was an elected member of the school board & she was head of the girl scout council in our area (they let her go after she was charged). Her husband has a good job making good money. They live in a nice house with pastures & horses. We are a poor county w/ 81% of students on free or reduced breakfast & lunches. The state BOE uses these numbers to dole out the title 1 federal money, now they are withholding $11 million title 1 money until they verify all there numbers. They charged each women & husbands w/ 2 felonies & a couple of misdemeanors. All this trouble for around $450 in free meals. We taxpayers already owed $3 million for another fiasco by the school board a few years back.
Must you exaggerate and distort in order to make a point?
By municiple services I'm assuming things like electricity, water, etc. Well guess what? You pay based on the amount you consume.
Generally speaking, the work hard, they're quiet because they don't want to draw attention to themselves. But most importantly, they fulfill a niche - they are a source of cheap unskilled labor. And people like you take advantage of it, all the while whining about their presence and grossly distorting their impact on society. I'd rather have one of them living next to me that you.
An illegal alien elementary school teacher?
Wow.
They really are taking all the good jobs...
@!$%#ing spare me the bull@!$%#, K sport?
Or has this "debate" just degenerated into an "I hates me sum messikins" tirade?
No need to bother answering. Most of us know what some of you are already.
Geez, you're really fixated on the $50,000 SUV's are you? Methinks you're a tad jealous. Get over it.
I don't know whether you're fabricating this or not, but I will, for the sake of argument that it's true. You're taking one example and assuming that all are doing this. By you're logic, all illegals are claiming to be living in poverty and all are driving high end vehicles. This is necessary to fuel your bigotry.
The reality is much different. The fact that you cannot see this indicates to me that it is pointless to have any kind of reasoned discussion with you.
if you are illegal,you are illegal get out of usa
This sheriff has done nothing wrong and I amoung many see him as protecting him community. If we had ANY control of the border, this would not be an issue. Shame on the Feds --- they can't do crap right. By the way, we don't have the $$ to do anything but profile today.
I'll have to politely disagree with you there. According to one news report I read, Sheriff Joe's office got a report of a 13 year old calling about someone who broke into her and her mother's house and raped them. She had a Hispanic last name. The report was never investigated, and when federal officials were going over the paperwork later and found this call, they went out to the address and found it deserted, the woman and girl who were listed as living there were missing and have never been found.
Yes, it could have been a prank call. Yes, in the time the report was taken and the time feds found out and went to investigate, they could have self-deported (without packing up anything they owned or taking their car.) But it may also be likely that whoever broke into their home may have abducted the mother and daughter and because no investigation was done, it would be impossible to track them down now or prove the report was fake (or real). And in this case, if he did indeed 'drop the ball' on it because the 13 year old caller was Hispanic and 'presumed illegal', then yes, he should face a penalty for that.
Harley, either you do not live in Maricopa County or you have your head stuck in the ground. The list of Sheriff Joe's offenses is too long to enumerate and goes far beyond racial profiling. But I'll list a few:
$100M in misspent funds - Arpaio did not want to give an accounting to the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors; when he finally relented, it was discovered that his department misspent over $100M - for things such as stays in expensive hotels, valet service, lavish dinners at expensive restaurants, 1st class airfare, trips to Disneyland; even paid internet service for his wife's business.
Failure to investigate over 400 sex abuse cases - many of the victims were underage girls.
Harassing his political enemies - arrested/indicted individuals, including members of the Maricopa County Board Of Supervisors as well as a sitting superior court judge, without any evidence. Consequently, the county attorney, who was one of Joe's toadies, was disbarred. Millions of dollars in claims were filed - the taxpayers paid out millions in legal fees as well as judgements against the county
Mistreatment of jail inmates - a lot has been reported in the media about Tent City, green balogna/spoiled food fed to inmates. But cases of deaths/torture of inmates at the hands of MCSO deputies hasn't gotten as much exposure. There are many examples, but to get a taste, try Googling the following: Richard Post, Scott Norberg, Charles Agster, Brian Crenshaw. Again, millions of dollars were paid to inmates or their familes as a result of claims/lawsuits.
I could go on - there are plenty more, as those of us who lived in Maricopa County under Joe's tenure as sheriff can recall. Only rabid right wing lunatics living in Az. support him as well as others who live outside Arizona and are unaware of these events.
A bigot risked his life arresting a kidnaper. (his Job) Of course that means he isn’t a bigot.
gumps,
You make it sound like you're privy to actual information but my guess is that you're parroting reported stories in news media.
don g,
You seem to be someone who knows the sherrif personally or could you perhaps be running your mouth simply because you don't like the way he does business?
Having spent time with national law enforcement folks, its safe to say he has little to respect among his brethren. That says a lot.
I don't know what map you are looking at, but that is so far off base it's just silly. All you accomplished with that post is to demonstrate your biases.
culheath...you're a pretty sharp guy...that reply surprises me.
The U.S. is about 3.8 million square miles. Twice that is 7.6 million.
South America is about 6.9 which is a little less than half, but Central America and Mexico add about 960,000 making a total of 7.8 million square miles.
(Numbers are ball park as they incorrectly include Belize, Guyana and Suriname, not considered Latin, but also exclude Cuba, Haiti and the Dominican Republic, which are considered Latin.)
So the statement is anything but "so far off base".
hs321,
I stand corrected. Talk about having your eyes opened. Appreciate it, thanks.
http://www.hamilton.edu/academics/departments/details?dept=Latin%20American%20Studies
"Latin America is twice the size of the United States with many of the same resources and the only thing they have accomplished is to overpopulate those countries instead of build a nation."
Let me guess, history is not your forte. If you have any inkling of why things are the way they are today, maybe you might understand why those countries had such a hard time building a nation. Here's a hint, all those resources you mentioned was sucked out of those countries by european countries, the same goes with every country that was ever colonized, except two (I hope you don't need any hints to figure which two countries those were).
Harley44
Which community is he protecting?
Richard wrote:
That's the typical right wing response - when confronted with actual facts, you have to shed doubt on the source. I will leave it as an exercise to you, Weedhopper - go ahead and refute anything I've reported here. Back it up with facts. Go ahead. Just try!
apriori
Well doesn't that suck that your feelings have failed you. The la raza propaganda distorted public school system? Please explain? Secondly not nearly close to 60. Again, which books are you reading on history, the everything was peachy history books, and hardly ever mentions any wrong doings by europeans. I bet you still believe columbus discovered America, or all Hispanics were from Mexico, or all Native Americans only existed West of the Mississippi.
Here's a clue, your home schooling didn't work.
"Why would anyone defend a people that actually cheered when the World Trade Center was attacked and Americans were killed. The BBC has this on tape."
So umm.....by your logic, since we have white folks on tape hating everyone in the world that is not white, should I categorize you as a racist bigot too? or did you believe WWII didn't happen, and the kkk and various aryan grooups don't exist. Since you've obviously are showing your true colors with your ignorant comments. Hate goes both ways dude, when you start to invalidate someone else's hate, you have just made your hate that much noticeable and bigger.
apriori
Ummmm, here's the real history lesson dude: 5 Mexican from 201st Firghter Squadron (Uniquely comprise of only Mexicans), which served with the US Fifth Air Force in the Philippines died during the final year of WWII.
Here's your face palm.
" Hispanics brought most of the slaves from Africa to the Americas"
Again wrong, really, you should shoot your parents for home schooling you. The Portuguese were the ones whom brought the most slaves over to the Americas not the Spaniards, unless of course you think Portugal official language is spanish.
"And even after the American Civil War ended slavery in the US, Latin America continued to have slavery"
I don't have the time right now, but here's a quick search result on your historical facts.
"During the Independence Wars (1810–1822), slavery was abolished in most of Latin America. "
So um....you may want to check the validity of your text books and see who wrote them, cause when was the civil war? that's right 1861 - 1865.
This is nutz, I'm arguing with a crazy dude, I'm done. No more history lessons for you. Unless you're willing to pay $150 and hour for my services.
Don't waste your time dealing with some foaming-at-the-mouth racists.
This is Absolute BS. Sheriff Joe and his Department is only upholding the law and the constitution unlike Obama and his Commie Clowns. How can you get racial profiling when dealing with immigration? What are they suppose to be looking white people. Liberals are such Idiots. I support Sheriff Joe and his people 100%. What's wrong Obama did he reveal your secret? You are not even eligible to be president and everything you have try to do to this country and all your commie bills will be thrown out just like you very soon you Commie Bastard. And I hope all your commie supporters are deported as well.
A large part of the American population in the southwest is Hispanic. Their rights are being abridged and that is of no concern? I hardly think so. You should also look up the word "communist", you misuse it.
Unless and until you see white people being stopped with the same frequency in Northern boarder states, incidentally which have more porous borders, this is a hollow argument.
Save your liberal tags and insults, I am a Republican, but one who respects civil liberties and freedom. Try it - its refreshing.
We cannot express the word "Illegal" strongly enough.
Ha ha...or tightly enough.
I am Jewish and dark skinned. I get mistaken for a Hispanic. Not every brown skinned person is Hispanic.
I am not worried about police in AZ cause I have a legal drivers license and insurance. Why are the Hispanics so paranoid?
Do you travel with proof of citizenship with you? I don't. Without it, you are now subject to detention which means a strip search, cavity check and being put into a cell. How about if you have your kids with you? Having them removed to CPS is ok with you? It's simply unacceptable.
Border patrol and ICE agents have the legal authority to stop anyone, anywhere and at anytime and demand proof of citizenship. I'm a 6'2" white guy and I've been stopped near the border with Mexico while exploring in the desert. The Hispanic border patrol agent said he thought me and my companion might be Russians. Guess I was guilty of "exploring while white".
JW101 (#6.2)--- The people to whom you refer are not paranoid, they just want rewards and special treatment to be above the very laws with which all others must comply.
AngelicaS
Why are you refering to upper middle class white folks and rich white folks? By the way they are the most paranoid.
About time someone goes after this piece of **** cop.I ve seen him on the news many times.Him and many judges alike need to all be ran out....I m sure there is a road of corruption to follow
Got caught speeding, eh?
This cop you reffer to as a Piece of @!$%# is much more than a cop jackass. There is nothing corrupt about him busting illegals jackass. His state borders Mexico who is he supposed to be looking for when it comes to illegals the Chinese? That would be CA jackass. You need to be ran out. Along with Obama and all his commie followers which probably includes you jackass.
only,
I seem to sense that you were a guest of the good sherrif?
While traveling back from San Antonio, TX to Louisiana, with my neighbors son who happens to be Puorto Rican, I was pulled over by sherifs vehicle, for no apperant reason ( I am white) The deputy quickly looked at my drivers lisence then questioning the boy (14) as to where in MExico he was from, and wanting to see his papers. The boy told him, I am not Mexican ...I am a US citizen, I was born in US. The deputy kept refering to him as little Mex. I tried to explain, look officer...we are on our way home, his father is stationed in Ft.Polk, I took the boy to see his mother, who was in a San Antonio Army Hospital at the time. He finally told us we could go..but not til he told the boy "Mex...from now on have your papers with you, when you travel. At the time we di not persue this...In hind sight, we should have. Not only was this experience humiliating, but also left a lasting bad impression on the child.
Enough said!
What a sad thing to have happened. I once applied for a job with a security company, and someone in the office, after hearing my long, German surname, demanded proof that I was a U.S. citizen! I was born in Vermont. He eventually calmed down after someone else put him in his place, but clearly, for some, a sense of "other" extends beyond race.
You're not the only one this has happened to, there are lots of stories like yours:
Thomas Warziniack was born in Minnesota and grew up in Georgia, but immigration authorities pronounced him an illegal immigrant from Russia. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has held Warziniack for weeks in an Arizona detention facility with the aim of deporting him to a country he's never seen. His jailers shrugged off Warziniack's claims that he was an American citizen, even though they could have retrieved his Minnesota birth certificate in minutes and even though a Colorado court had concluded that he was a U.S. citizen a year before ICE shipped him to Arizona.
Houston chef Leonard Robert Parrish, 52, ran afoul of a law intended for illegal immigrants. The Brooklyn-born Parrish went down to the Harris County Sheriff's Office in September to clear up a problem over a couple of bounced checks. He wound up in jail on immigration charges. He was strip-searched and spent 12 hours in custody. "The deputy told me I had a foreign accent," Parrish recalled. "I told him I had an East Coast accent. He said, 'It sounds like a foreign accent to me.'" A 2008 Texas law required a person's citizenship status be linked to his driver's license. A sheriff's deputy told Parrish he was detained because when they ran his driver's license information through their computer, it said that his citizenship status was "unknown." "I served on a murder jury in Texas and they can't find out I'm a citizen?" asked Parrish.
Hans Joachim Keil was arrested in Dutton in September and accused of being an illegal alien. He was an official representative of Samoa, a current Member of Parliament and a prominent businessman with many family links. He had diverted to Missouri on the way home from trade talks in Brussels where he represented Samoa. “They were going to lock me up for five years plus five years. Five years for impersonating a US citizen and five years for using an illegal US passport. On the day of my arrest when I brought to their attention, that I served in the US military … they threw that out the window and said that I’m an illegal alien and I have no right to be in the United States. They knew I was a Samoan diplomat but they had no regard for my diplomatic passport.”
Mr. George Ibarra, 46, was born in Mexico but was raised since infancy in Arizona. In his late 20s he enlisted in the Marines and served three years on active duty, including time in Iraq, before being honorably discharged. On February 23, 2011 Department of Justice adjudicator Richard Phelps ruled in Eloy, Arizona that George Ibarra had by a preponderance of the evidence proven that he is indeed a citizen of the United States. Rather than apologize to Mr. Ibarra for previously wrongfully detaining him, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is holding Mr. Ibarra in solitary confinement at the Eloy Detention Center, in clear violation of the U.S. Constitution and a memorandum requiring Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to release anyone with "probative evidence" of U.S. citizenship.
The son of a decorated Vietnam veteran, Hector Veloz is a U.S. citizen, but in 2007 immigration officials mistook him for an illegal immigrant and locked him in an Arizona prison for 13 months. Veloz had to prove his citizenship from behind bars. An aunt helped him track down his father's birth certificate and his own, his parents' marriage certificate, his father's school, military and Social Security records. After nine months, a judge determined that he was a citizen, but immigration authorities appealed the decision. He was detained for five more months before he found legal help and a judge ordered his case dropped.
When Angela Boneva, a 34 year old, went to renew her passport in 2003, the State Department told her she was no longer a citizen. Boneva's father was born in Indiana, and the US consulate in Bulgaria gave her U.S. citizenship while she was growing up in Bulgaria in 1981.The State Department said that an employee at the consulate broke a rule that required her father to have lived in the U.S. for 10 years before she was born, the Tribune reported. Her father had only lived in the U.S. for six years before his parents moved to Bulgaria.
Thank you Amanda!
Amanda
So what are your little stories supposed to prove? The fact is, we've got about 20 million illegals running around our country. Sucking up our resources and putting a huge drain on our economy.
amanda,
Those people in your response apparently did have a less then good experience which can and does happen. However let's keep it in perspective. We all have heard of police officers that conduct themselves a wee bit over the line of legality. So does that mean we get rid of ALL police officers because a few were bad apples?
People seem to forget that the legal system is not a 100% guarrantee of being correct. Why? Well because humans are involved in the system and we sure know that humans are capable of acts of "not niceness". Should we scrape our legal system?
wtf?!? are you on the correct thread?
Again, wtf?!?
An abridgment of anyone's civil liberty is an offense against all civil liberties. I am sure if you were illegally detained it would become the most important case ever. How terribly selfish and myopic of you all.
Thank you, FlyOverMe, for pointing out to Richard-3165941 the obvious. It doesn't matter if it's one or one thousand. If the system ignores the rights of citizens then it's broken. Having said that, I still object to anyone trying to provide amnesty or any other than illegal status to people entering the country illegally. We have laws and they're supposed to apply to everyone.
FlyOverMe...you're a joke kid.
My brother and I were exploring in the desert about 60 miles from the border when 5 Hispanic border patrol agents surrounded us with weapons drawn. After we willingly "showed our papers" (drivers licenses), the Sergeant explained he was disappointed because he thought he was finally going to catch his first RUSSIANS....as a colleague working another portion of the border had recently done.
So, were we profiled because we were white? Were we guilty of EWW...Exploring While White? All 5 of the agents were Hispanic, so were they profiling? Were they being racist? You think we should file a civil rights violation law suit for being detained out in the middle of the desert when it was 110 degrees? OMG! The HORROR!
What we did was thank the officers for doing their job, even though they obviously made a huge mistake, and we went about our business.
In the case of Thomas Warziniack and Hector Veloz: They were both declared a citizen by the judicial system and was still incarcerated, which violates their constitutional rights.
In the case of Leonard Parrish; he was detained as an 'illegal' because he had a Brooklyn accent that a Texas deputy thought was a foreign accent. Ever seen the movie 'My Cousin Vinny'? The (southern) judge asks Vinny "What is a 'ute'?" because Vinny's Brooklyn accent made the word 'youth' sound like 'ute.'
In the case of Hans Keil: He HAD A DIPLOMATIC PASSPORT AND THEY IGNORED IT. This is no way to treat a visiting diplomat!!!! If you don't see anything wrong with this I think you need to recheck your perspective.
In the case of Mr. George Ibarra: He proved he was a citizen, an honorably-discharged Armed Forces member, no less, and continuing to hold him after he'd proved he was a citizen is a clear violation of his civil rights, and holding him in solitary when he appealed the decision to continue to hold him is a clear violation of his human rights!
In the case of Angela Boneva: her father was born in Indiana. Jus sanguinis applies here--if she could prove she was his daughter, her citizenship should never have come into question!
My point here is that 'illegal' is becoming an arbitrary designation. this seems to be getting out of hand; in the haste to deport a lot of legal citizens are getting caught in the system unjustly and there's virtually no recourse. My point is that Homeland Security seems to have the ultimate power to declare anyone 'illegal', whether or not they actually are. My point is that once you start infringing on the rights of one section of the population (the 'illegals') you open the door to violate the rights of every section of the population.
You do realize that there is a current piece of legislation called the Enemy Expatriation Act coming up through Congress that, if passed, will make it legal for the government to strip your citizenship if they suspect you of acting against the US government's interests?It'll make you 'illegal' if you have food stockpiled in your home, a weapons collection, read alternate media, or engage in lawful acts of civil disobedience or print/publish any literature advocating the same?
I'm not saying we should scrap our legal system. I'm saying that the immigration system needs reform so there will be fewer stories like this coming out of it. For every one you do hear about, there are many more you don't.
Drowning Grover:
I think Apiori was ripping the Mexican Government, not their people. And the Mexican Goverment DOES suck. My Maternal Grandparents lost much of their family during the revolutionary period.
Mexico did contribute to the war effort by sending an Air Squadron, Escuadron 201, to the Philippines in 1944 when we are retaking that archipelago. The Escuadron served unter USAAF command and carried both US and FAM Insignia. And they did declare war on the Axis when one of their tankers was torpedoed by the German U-160.
It should be pointed out that Meixco did have warmer relations with Germany in the 1930's - Especially with then President Cardenas seizing US oil drilling assets and exporting the oil to Germany and Italy. President Camacho did not have such close ties to Germany, though.
Would that all confrontations were so easy to resolve!
I was adopted internationally as an infant, never told before dad and mom passed away in a car accident. It was all legal, all the fees paid, paperwork filed. One day USCIS does a routine record search, finds they lost my adoption paper, and came to me for a copy. I had never been told I was adopted, so my response to their 'papers, please' request was 'what papers?' and that made me 'illegal' even though it is not illegal to not have an adoption paper, it is not illegal to not know you were adopted, and I had a legal BC (issued by a judge after I was adopted to reflect my adoptive parents as my real ones, which was part of the reason I never once suspected I was adopted) a legal SS card/number and had just gotten a brand new DL.
Despite having all the legal paperwork necessary to be 'legal' I was arbitrarily declared 'illegal' because the government lost a piece of paper which meant absolutely nothing to any other agency in this country.
I spent three years in deportation writing letters to every courthouse in every state we ever lived in trying to find that paper. Although I'd learned in school that in the us, you're innocent until proven guilty, I learned here the reality was that you were guilty of being illegal until you proved you were innocent. I will say my human rights and civil rights were definitely violated while in deportation--although I was held in a private for-profit prison, it was run under the auspices of the government and paid with government money, and so there is no way I can find it in me to thank them for just doing their job.
apriori
25,000,000 Russians died in World War 2.
More people than the entire population of Mexico at the time.
Not one single MEXICAN SOLDIER was sent BY MEXICO to fight in Europe during World War 2.
The world will not forget!
hahahahahahahahah...................so um are you going to remember all the hispanics that fought in WWII then? or do you believe all hispanics are Mexican?
You didn't risk your life for an illegal alien. You risked your life to save another human being.
Of course they are human beings, but in the context of this article - people being targeted because they ARE illegal aliens and others being accused of being racists or bigots - "illegal alien" is apt. I'm sure the officer in question was, in his heart and mind, helping a human being. This was the whole point of the story, as it demonstrates that racism and bigotry don't have to go hand in hand with keeping human beings who are illegal aliens out.
Lets just not have borders what so ever... who cares who comes into this country and not pay their fair way... it doesn't matter, lets just drop the term illegal eh??
For all you aholes who think that the people who want tighter boarders are racist... YOU ARE AN A-HOLE.. All they want is for people to apply and come into this country legally... that's all.. People scream about being fair all day long... well.... let's keep it fair.. Send any illegal back, then let them apply.. If they have something to make this country better, sure let them in.. If they just want to suck the life blood out of this country like the gang bangers who come over... they reject them... at least the American tax payer can be happy knowing their tax dollars are working to make America better.. Not sucked out of their wallet to pay for additional sponges..
Your ignorance of US immigration policy is showing. Maybe your A-HOLE is covering your eyes and ears?
dixie,
It may be true that someone is ignorant on immigration policy but just what are YOUR qualifications for judging someone else?
There you go folks... the first A-Hole just reared it's ugly head... and her name is DixieMay... Congrats and hats off.
Since you didnt' read what I said and just wanted to make an ass of yourself, I was talking to all those people who throw the 'racist' word around... So.. besides... you mean the policy is to let people into this country to make is worse?? You DO deserve a hearty pat on the back (while standing near a tall cliff).
Pot: "Kettle, you're black!"
God bless Sheriff Joe.
In 2007 the sheriff called a 2007 comparison between his department and the Ku Klux Klan "an honor."
sam,
Ok but if you're quoting someone please state your source(s) otherwise it's just another persons' opinion.
HERE Richard.
(It was THE FIRST link to pop up on a google search of "2007 Klan Arpaio")
I have no issue with people legally coming here from anywhere, but find it nuts that some cities openly welcome illegal aliens when the Federal government is trying to do the opposite. The mayor of Baltimore, MD, in an effort to bring that city back to life, has expressed a desire for 10,000 Hispanic families - legal OR illegal - to move to Baltimore, and has instructed the police to not check people's immigration papers. Cambridge, MA has declared itself a "safe haven" for illegal immigrants. These folks will of course benefit no doubt from assistance programs.
In addition to this, immigrants aren't assimilating. They are keeping their own languages and cultures in ways that create permanent, parallel cultures within the host country. This is aided and abetted by companies which pander to the almighty dollar. We have to "dial 1 for English" when calling in Boston, Massachusetts, and our cable provider has added a lot of Spanish language stations. This is all about profit, not helping legal immigrants to adapt to life in America. In the past, immigrants DID form communities after coming here, but in time they learned English, assimilated even while keeping their customs, and they were PROUD of that. Again, I welcome all, but come to America legally, as citizens. Don't come bent on establishing "colonies".
Americans are racist???? LOL, Actually moron "colonies" happen because when people move to an an area they look for similar people from the same culture. They do it themselves because it is easier for them to get started. But I wouldnt expect you to understand since obviously you dont have a clue. I have lived overseas much of my life (military career) and in every single country I went to groups of people lived in the same areas by choice. By your logic every single country is racist.... pure ignorance on your part.
opstokker,
Well which side of bigotry are you on? White are racists - there are those that are, true. But you and others here seem to want to gloss over the FACT that blacks and hispanics are right up there when it comes to being racists. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black, don't you think.
But think about this - just WHO yells race when one or more of the following happens? 1)Blacks kill whites or hispanics? 2) Hispanics kill blacks or whites? 3) Whites kill blacks or hispanics? 4) when jackson or sharpton need a cause to push?
In the late 1800's, the fastest growing immigrant population was Chinese, since the rail barons were bringing over Chinese workers by the boatload, using the males for building the railroads and the females as brothel fodder. People complained when signs were posted in both English and Chinese so the workers could understand, and they protested against the 'yellow peril', saying that if this 'invasion' kept up, we would 'end up as a Chinese colony' and 'we'll all end up speaking Chinese'. In the 1890's, Congress passed a law banning all Asian immigration, and for the ones already here, created laws that said they couldn't hold property, couldn't marry whites, couldn't do this, couldn't do that. Those laws stayed on the books until the civil rights movement in the 60's.
So even though these immigrants wanted to assimilate, the laws didn't allow them to. It's only been about half a century since those laws were repealed, but the racial memory stays. And Manzanar didn't help things either.
I see a lot of paralells between what happened then and what is happening now, except now it's the 'brown peril' instead of the yellow peril. I'm pretty much expecting that at some point those old miscegenation laws are going to be enacted again--this time against Latinos. And then even those from non-Latino Hispanic countries--like Puerto Rico or the Dominican Republic--are going to be marginalized.
The sheriff has said that people are stopped only if authorities have probable cause to believe they have committed crimes and that deputies later find many are illegal immigrants.
Apparently most crimes are caused by illegal immigrants then?
Oh wait, you can be stopped if they believe you have committed a crime. I am sure if I believe hard enough I can believe that every Hispanic person is also an illegal immigrant.
In Arizona MOST hispanics ARE illegal immigrants.... and most of the crimes ARE committed by illegals.
Care to prove that?
(are you even FROM AZ?)
Thom:
Could you please cite your sources for your statement? You would sound more authoritative and legitimate if you can. I am not questioning you, I would just like to see the facts on such a flat statement.
thom is a troll. Don't feed the trolls. Of course he has no basis for his idiotic statements.
The old fart has no choice but to deny he's profiling, even though he is. He'd have to be an idiot to be honest.
Whew! Good thing the police never lie on the stand, eh?
Our-Pile needs to be in pink.
Why dont you hold Obama to the same standard? He and Holder have done nothing but lie since they have taken office.... yet you say nothing.
Wow Thom, you went from a sheiff in hick town to President Obama. You people are obsessed with President Obama... WOW!
thom,
Excellent point but of course they don't want to hear about that!
de2,
You seem to be overly sensitive when someone mentions holder or obama. Are you denying that they both have been a little less then honest (as honest as a politician can be) with the American people? If holder isn't being truthful then why is he being held in contempt of Congress?
Gosh, I'll go out on a limb and guess you're a democrat?
De2, what “hick town” is Maricopa County in?
Maricopa County is located in the south-central part of the U.S. state of Arizona. As of the 2010 census, its population was 3,817,117, the most populous in the state, which ranks fourth among the nation's counties and is greater than the population of 23 states.
Ahhh sheriff numbnuts I hope they throw the book at you. I would love to see you in your own jail in pink undershorts and humilated like you do to your prisoners. Of course along with all your idiot deputies. The good people of AZ should take away your vechicles and make you ride on mules. You are a racist biggot and should be deported to Mexico.
Yeah Bill. Its crazy we have a Sheriff that is trying to uphold the law in this country. And one that doesnt put criminals in a resort once they are caught. You bleeding heart liberals make me sick.
90% of illegals in this country are coming through from MExico. This racial profiling case is a bunch or BS. They are simply going after him because he has PROVEN Obama has only provided forged documents (Social Security number from Conneticut, fake birth certificate, and a forged Selective Service Card). Maybe you and all the illegals are the ones that should be deported back to MExico so tax paying Americans can take those jobs.
Hey thom, ever been to southern California? The Mexicans are the ones working the menial jobs while white people beg for a handout.
Thom, i would love for you to take the immigrants jobs from them. The corporate ones or the medical ones? maybe the office jobs too. Immigrants work in the fields, farming. So please dont tell me you were considering working there.
bill r,
" I would love to see you in your own jail in pink undershorts and humilated like you do to your prisoners."
Another one who misses the point of pink underwear or making their "stay" something other then a vacation. Being in jail means taking away your ability to enjoy the benefits of society because YOU broke the law. Jail or prison are not supposed to be a country club and I for one do not want to have my tax dollars go to making life "comfy" for criminals.
If pink underwear or non-hilton like living conditions make someone think twice about committing a crime in the future then it works.
Joe has to go! He scares the crap out of us Canadians that want to leave the Great White North and establish an enclave. If Joe is gone, there would be a horde of northerners heading down.. no need to profile, when the deputy says "you were speeding" and the driver says "no I wasn't, eh" then arrest him.
No Joe is a great example of how law enforcement should be. We need more ;like him and a president like him instead of the limp wristed commy we have now.
WE don't have any jobs here for Canadians or Mexicans- please stay home.
There are already enclaves of Canadians in Arizona. They are called snowbirds.
Wetbacks crossing the Saint Lawrence River? I can't believe it!
(Of course my grand parents crossed there without papers.)
It's so easy for criminal minorities to hide behind the false accusations of racism. It's become a way of life.
This is great, lets make all the Police and FBI afraid to do there jobs, out of fear of racial profiling and we will have many more Nidal Hasans. The FBI failed the 13 dead at Fort Hood out of fear of offending the Muslim. Why do we even need the FBI, or Border patrol?
poisonivy85. Yes, dear, it is great. Because, one bad cop/sheriff does more damage to our integrity of being the United States, then 1000 good ones. We are supposed to be a nation of laws, not pick your choice of who you want to pick on.
poisonivy85, of course you brought the Muslin issue in on this. That is just who you are. AND the FBI and the Border patrol are in service to the United States...you know the nation of laws.
"The sheriff has said that people are stopped only if authorities have probable cause to believe they have committed crimes and that deputies later find many are illegal immigrants."
HAH! I know that cops don't always do this, and I'm a white guy. I've been stopped just because I had some black people in my car and was "in the "wrong" neighborhood. Surely they don't expect anyone but the most naive to buy this load of crap??
Actually, let me edit this. "Probable cause" to the police means if you don't LOOK like you belong then you "probably" don't, and have hence committed some kind of crime.
just,
Well maybe, just maybe, being in the "wrong" neighborhood is the reason and the only reason you were stopped. Being in a known drug dealing area or an area that is frequented by prostitutes is for what reason other then hmmmm?
being in the country is a crime and you can and should be arrested and deported.
this is Mexico's immigration law and they enforce it,why cant we do the same?
Problem is, that just because you're Hispanic, or Black, or White or Green or Purple or Asian or Indian, ect...doesn't mean you are here illegally. You can't just stop people because of what they look like. It's AGAINST THE LAW.
Tell that to Mayor Bloomberg. He frisks all the Negros in NYC.
Don't even try this @!$%# in Mexico. They have stronger immigration laws than the USA.
Wow, I can't believe people are on this board defending this racist. This man's very words are being used against him and the ignorant masses defend him. Wow, just wow. Well, when they lose, it will another pile of excuses. Won't they ever learn+
I'm not defending this man. I am defending THE LAW of this land. I don't know this man. Perhaps you do, but I have no cause to defend him, he has lawyers for that...or perhaps you weren't speaking to me...if not..carry on!
Ok once again if you think its Ok for these criminals to be here because no one else
would do these jobs because they don’t pay well enough you are wrong! at a cost
of 12,000.00 a year to educate their children, and also if you figure 3 out of
5 of the criminal illegal immigrant children will be a burden on either the
State, County in some shape or form either prison, welfare or our social
services , it’s no deal! That bag of oranges just went to 20 bucks: it’s just right
now the governments subsidizing 16.00 of it with your Tax $, so the Banksters
are getting rich off the oil from Mexico and once again we the tax payers suck
up the slack, our criminals in Washington making back room deals shaping Mexico’s
policy’s as far as immigration .. (Go North!) And the Feds leave our borders unprotected!
If the Feds did their job this wouldn’t be an issue now would it?, you short
sided stupid media brain washed liberal PC C#ck S#ckers!
Hello. Public servant. How about you risked your life to save another human being. Who cares who it was.
Hello.
How about: "I call bull@!$%#"?
Does anyone actually believe that "the most famous sheriff in America" is doing undercover work? Disguised as a Mexican?
@!$%#ing seriously?
Sure, you can call it, and here's the reply: try reading the whole story. The man disguised as a Mexican, working undercover, was a DEPUTY from the office of "the most famous sheriff in America".
@!$%#ing seriously, etc.
So Sheriff Joe is doing Obama's job and getting sued for it. It's all about the votes and nothing about enforcing federal law. Obama has to go. Romney has outsourced job and has money in foreign accounts. Why, because of Obama's policies. Romney knows why he had to do these thing and ALSO knows how to fix it so it doesn't have to happen. Obama is against the very people who can bring our jobs back. His healthcare is nothing but a tax on small businesses and the middle class. Obama wants to be reelected so he can continue to take numerous vacations on our dime. Save America, vote for ANYONE but Obama.
Close the boarder via a wall and military personnel patroling continually- A fence with a land minded strip and guard towers would do nicely. Next empty our prisons of illegals and throw them back over the border. That would reduce the prison population in many areas by 47%. then let nature take its course. When you arrest someone who is an illegal- throw them over the fence. Eventually you will remove another 50-60% of illegals from the country.
You know what else would be pretty sweet?
If you could read and write English at least as well as people who don't even use it as their primary language...
For @!$%#'s sake... Learn to properly @!$%#ing write the ONLY language you speak.
dont,
Great use of YOUR primary language. Very mature response.
Kelldon,
You must not be from a border state. There are hundreds of under ground tunnels that majority of the criminals use. You cannot stop people from crossing a border by a fence and/or guards. (Think of the Berlin Wall)
Thanks sport. I thought so.
Now we can expect the Arpaio defense to get Ol Joe and his deputies up on the stand to claim that "some of their best friends are Hispanics"! Give me a break. Ol Joe has made his stock in trade the ruthless way he has treated Hispanics and other minorities. He has basked in the glow of approval from Arizonans who think that bigotry and harrassment are "just what those people deserve." Now it is payback time. Karma's a bitch, ain't it, Joe?
lets just buy Mexico and make it the 51st state....then it will be under the federal gov'ts control and nothing will change except we will have more welfare clients.