After 53 rounds, Spanish spelling bee is estancamiento (that's a stalemate)

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Co-champions Joana Fernandez and Judith Villa with their winners' plaques.

Two star students battled it out for an hour and a half in Albuquerque, N.M., correctly spelling word after word, before judges threw up their hands and declared a tie in the National Spanish Spelling Bee last week.

Judith Villa, a fifth-grader from Sunland Park Elementary School in Anthony, N.M., and Joana Fernandez, an eighth-grader at Rio Rancho Middle School in the Rio Rancho, N.M., were the finalists after 17 other pupils from six other states fell by the wayside Saturday.


Judith and Joana kept going, and going, and going — for 53 more rounds. They polished off words like unguiculado (meaning "unguiculate"), cabizcaído ("downhearted") and vehementemente ("vehemently").

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Eventually, the judges ran out of approved words and declared it a draw. Jose Daniel Lara Arévalo of Legacy Middle School in San Antonio, Texas, finished third.

The contest, which is in its second year, tests children whose native language is Spanish or who are learning the language.

Spanish words are relatively easier to spell than English words, because groups of letters consistently produce the same sounds and the vowels typically are pronounced the same way. But students must also note Spanish diacritical marks, which makes the competition more challenging.

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National Spanish Spelling Bee

and we have one of these because?.....oh that's right its GOOD to be bi-lingual ,that way you can compete for jobs here..........i mean really people....really?.......

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Reply#1 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:45 PM EDT

Maybe it's time for you to learn another language...

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:41 PM EDT

This is the United States of America! Who cares about a Spanish language spelling bee?

Oh, and MXB1, maybe it's time they learn another language... English!

  • 11 votes
#1.3 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:24 PM EDT

Actually, if you knew how to speak another language, you'd understand that it helps you to better understand your primary language and its grammar structure. Just based on your post, it's clear that you don't actually know any other languages aside from your poorly written English. I learned to speak Spanish well over a decade ago by living in a Spanish speak country for quite some time, and it's ridiculous seeing how poorly Americans write and speak their own language. It's like this country just continues to breed idiots that don't care. You people against those that speak Spanish, can't even properly speak/write English.

A few tips:
1. Learn how apostrophes are used.
2. Learn how ellipses should be used.
3. Learn how to properly capitalize words.
4. Bilingual is a word used without hyphenation.
5. Learn how commas work.

If your post were longer, I could probably come up with another dozen mistakes you made in the language you've spoken YOUR ENTIRE LIFE. Stop being so ignorant.

These kids probably speak and write English better than you are capable of, because they actually speak a second language. Once you have the ability to compare the way you say something in one language, to the way you say say the same thing in another, you gain a better understanding of each language. Sorry if I mistook your age, and you're just a 5 year old bashing at your keyboard.

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:46 PM EDT

Personally, I'm wondering why we have wrestling, fishing, and golf. Just sayin.'

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:53 PM EDT

A Spanish spelling contest in the US and it ends in a tie? The bar is lowered every day.

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:17 AM EDT

Ah I love the ignorance, racism, and fear some of you show towards anything that's non-white. Should we remove French, German, and Spanish classes from the High School curriculum as well? Rhetorical question simple because odds are you'd say yes. You'd rather we did nothing but create nice little white American citizens.

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:55 AM EDT

It has been shown that knowing multiple languages from an early age has an immense benefit on the future intelligence, comprehension skills, etc. - among many, many other benifits - of an individual. Moreover, learning a language at a later age can help keep your brain plastic by challenging it thus slowing down the degradation of the brain in later years. I see nothing wrong with learning a second language (or third or fourth for that matter). :)

  • 1 vote
#1.8 - Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:33 PM EDT

Why is there a Spanish spelling bee in the United States? Whatever happened to English? Are we too good to focus on one unifying language in this country?

    #1.9 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:21 PM EDT
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    I'm waiting for the Chinese spelling bee.

    • 8 votes
    Reply#2 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:20 PM EDT

    denver bill 2,

    "I'm waiting for the Chinese spelling bee."

    That's a good one since there is no such thing as spelling in Chinese! But I can't imagine that a Spanish spelling bee would be much of a challenge, either, since Spanish spelling is about as phonetic as you can get other than by using the International Phonetic Alphabet. For the most part, Spanish words are spelled as they are pronounced. It's not like the nightmarish spelling system we have in English which, I believe, was invented by the Devil.

    • 1 vote
    #2.1 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:05 PM EDT

    Mickey has nailed it. The very idea of a "spelling bee" in most languages other than English makes no sense at all. If someone gives you a word in German, for example, it would be almost impossible to misspell it, as long as it was pronounced correctly for you.

    Only in English can you be faced with a sentence like, "I recently went through a rough patch, though."

    • 1 vote
    #2.2 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:36 PM EDT

    Oh man... Mickey knows his stuff. He is 100% on point. Spanish spelling is quite easy, aside from the differences between b&v, as well as s&z, since they are pronounced much the same way. I often see people misspelling the word voz (voice) as bos or boz.

    • 1 vote
    #2.3 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:50 PM EDT

    EarlyOut,

    "Only in English can you be faced with a sentence like, "I recently went through a rough patch, though."

    That's almost correct. Most European languages have spelling that is pretty phonetic. There are some languages, though, such as French (o, au, aux, eau, eaux, all pronounced "oh", etc.), Portuguese, Romanian, and Danish in which that is not so much the case. The Celtic languages are particularly bad when it comes to spelling not matching pronunciation, especially Irish and Scots Gaelic. For example, the Irish words "deatach" (pronounced "di-toch" and meaning "smoke" or "ceoltoir" pronounced "kyol-hor" and meaning "musician or "iompaim" meaning "I turn" and pronounced "oom-peem" or "dearmhad" meaning "mistake" and pronounced "dah-rood", etc. And Scots Gaelic is just as bad. In those languages a spelling bee would make sense, but not in Spanish.

      #2.4 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:39 PM EDT

      C'mon Bill, we're going fishing - my boat your bait.

        #2.5 - Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:20 AM EDT
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        53 rounds... did they take breaks?

          Reply#3 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:25 PM EDT

          I am only interested in 'English' spellng bees. This is America where the language is English. I find it really funny that several countries teach, speak, and communicate in English except the United States. I'm glad these kids are that smart, but teach them American language if they live here.

          • 8 votes
          Reply#5 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:34 PM EDT

          Teach them American languge? Ok. They should learn Navajo, Cherokee, Sioux, etc.

          • 9 votes
          #5.1 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:41 PM EDT

          how do you expect us to conduct business and trade with other countries if no one here speaks the language? you like ferraris and nice cars, right? well how do we negotiate if nobody speaks Italian?

          • 1 vote
          #5.2 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:32 PM EDT

          It just shows how closed-minded you are, Sue. There's a reason other countries teach English, and that's because it's the 2nd most widely spoken language in the world, and that's because so many people speak it, and it's a language of $$MONEY$$. People must speak the language to be able to trade with the US, which has the largest economy in the world.

          Spanish is the 4th most widely spoken language in the world. It's also the second highest economically spoken language in the world. It's not just Mexicans that speak Spanish. And as I told someone else. Those who speak more than one language, better understand their native language, and speak their languages more properly. Personally, I've spoken Spanish for over 15 years. Because of it, I have a far better grasp on English grammar and spelling.

          "American Language"? What the hell is that? America is comprised of two continents (North and South AMERICA, in case you didn't know) in which dozens of different languages and dialects are spoken. We might call ourselves Americans, but technically Mexicans are Americans, and so are Canadians, and so are Venezuelans, Brazilians, and anyone else who lives in an American continent.

          You are only interested in English spelling bees because you're an ignorant, closed-minded person from the United States of America, that likely doesn't speak another language because, like most people from the USA, you are too lazy to learn, or think that somehow you are so superior to everyone else in the world.

          • 3 votes
          #5.3 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:05 PM EDT

          Why are you assuming they don't speak and study English? They attend school in the US, I'm sure they DO have English class.

            #5.5 - Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:12 AM EDT
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            way to go young girls, keep spelling and doing homework, still a lot of way to go but that's a good starting!

              Reply#6 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:45 PM EDT

              Yeah we should teach them American Language? You mean English? Way to go Sue-3827008 can u make your self look any better??? I mean come on if your'e gonna talk S*** about "SPELLING" hahaha...... spellng....pfffffffhahahahhaha.....

              Enough said!!

              • 4 votes
              Reply#7 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:48 PM EDT

              ....hahahahahahahahahahaha.... "spellng"

              • 2 votes
              Reply#8 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:01 PM EDT

              Why is there a Spanish spelling bee in the United States where English is the universal language? If you are a legal citizen of the United States, speak English. If you don't know it, learn it. If you are not a legal citizen of the United States, leave.

              • 6 votes
              Reply#9 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:22 PM EDT

              they learn english in China, Korea and South America all the time. Why do you think the US is so extraordinary that it shouldn't be willing to learn other languages as well?

              • 3 votes
              #9.1 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:33 PM EDT

              This message officially endorsed by the Grand Cyclops of stormy-766389's Den.

                #9.2 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:19 PM EDT

                stormy,

                "Why is there a Spanish spelling bee in the United States where English is the universal language? If you are a legal citizen of the United States, speak English. If you don't know it, learn it."

                We teach, and have always taught, foreign languages in our schools, and it is common practice for schools to hold spelling bees in the languages that are being taught. I was in a French spelling bee myself when I was taking French in high school. How about not being so parochial?

                • 1 vote
                #9.4 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:46 PM EDT
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                Spanish is too phonetic for a spelling bee... as long as the judge pronounces the word correctly, there is very little room for error...

                • 1 vote
                Reply#10 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:51 PM EDT

                Unlike with English, spelling Spanish words is so easy as the writing system is so phonetic. I don't see how a spelling bee could be much of a challenge.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#11 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:54 PM EDT

                Can you spell the English equivalents of the 3 words listed in the article? Spanish words are written as they sound but the Spanish language also uses accent marks and so forth that must be placed over the proper letter. And regardless, these are basically children spelling very complex words.

                  #11.1 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:00 PM EDT

                  blum,

                  The accent does not change the pronunciation. The challenges in English include many different sounds for single or combined vowels, spellings such as "ph" for the f sound, soft and hard c's, etc. Many English words originated in other languages (including Latin, Greek, and German) and have retained some aspects of their original spelling. Consider "ballet" and cigarette, for example. If you know the relatively very few pronunciation rules in Spanish (or Turkish, for that matter), you can read out loud without having any idea what your are saying, but Spanish speakers (or Turkish speakers) will understand every word you say. That is not only complicated but truly impossible for a non-English speaker or even one who has a limited vocabulary.

                  • 1 vote
                  #11.2 - Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:24 AM EDT
                  Reply

                  We spend billions of dollars (at the taxpayers expense) trying to teach the foriegn invaders English to the detriment of US citizen students.

                  At this point it's probably cheaper and easier to just teach US citizens Spanish, since the invasion will be complete in just a few years.

                  • 5 votes
                  Reply#12 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:58 PM EDT

                  As The Invasion of The United States of America via The Wide Open Mexican Border marches on ...

                  • 4 votes
                  #12.1 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:36 PM EDT

                  dude, the lingua franca has changed from time to time over the years; it used to be French, now it's English, in the future it may be Mandarin or Spanish. American Exceptionalism may make you think that it is sensible to only learn one languange when the rest of the world speaks several, but this isn't a political issue, it's just facts...unlike the idea that the border is porous; net immigration across the border has been balanced by those returning and those coming. Being uneducated and ignorant may make you secure in your wrong beliefs, but it doesn't make you any less wrong.

                  • 1 vote
                  #12.2 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:45 PM EDT

                  Dude, riiight -- with Obamas' promise of amnesty to those under 30 yrs old, who don't have to prove how long they've been here. Tell a Border Agent that things are going well. By the way, those "deported" come right back across our WIDE OPEN Mexican Border. As The INVASION rolls on ... comprende ?

                  • 2 votes
                  #12.3 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:19 PM EDT

                  ¡Joo bedduh beeleef it, gringo!

                    #12.4 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:27 PM EDT
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                    Not a surprise, as Spanish pronounces everything consistently and as a result, there are no weird spellings. It takes a melting pot languange like English to get inconsistent, hard spellings.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#13 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:41 PM EDT

                    No weird spellings? I suggest you take a second look at the Spanish language. Native speakers often confuse the difference between b and v, as well as z and s. And while it doesn't happen often, the double "c".

                      #13.1 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:08 PM EDT

                      Then the word is not being pronounced clearly, or is being said by someone with a nonstandard Spanish accent. The sounds ARE distinct. The point is, this is reported as amazing news as if the contestants were extraordinarily bright, but the contest cannot be compared to an English spelling bee, which requires knowledge of hundreds of phonetic rules and knowledge of individual words.

                      • 1 vote
                      #13.2 - Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:25 AM EDT
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                      I wonder if it's occurred to anyone who has complained about having a Spanish spelling bee that some people actually enjoy learning other languages, that they are doing this for fun, not because they "have" to, just as some people like to fish, golf, watch television, read a book, surf the web, or any other activity? Open your minds people--just because you don't want to or don't like it doesn't mean someone else doesn't.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#14 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:50 PM EDT

                      words like unguiculado (meaning "unguiculate")

                      Thanks for the clarification.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#16 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:42 PM EDT

                      I do not see what is the problem with people about learning or speaking other language. anyone who speaks more than one language should feel proud because he/she is able to communicate with more people. I'm very sure that those two girls are much smarter than those ones who are criticizing the Spanish spelling bee. I bet that they do not even know how to spell in English.

                        Reply#17 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:04 PM EDT

                        They should feel proud to know more than one language. I bet that those ones who are criticizing the spelling bee don't even know how to spell in English. I speak, read and write both languages and i feel very proud that whenever i meet people who speak English or Spanish i can communicate with them without needing a translator.

                          Reply#18 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:27 PM EDT

                          Wrong. I know English (very, very well), Spanish, Chinese, and some Turkish as well as bits of other languages. Please note that the article says that the bee "tests children whose native language is Spanish or who are learning the language." That alone is not a level playing field! The article does not even report whether or not these two children know English. As for the diacritical marks, the sound changes indicated by an accent mark or a tilde are also clearly reflected in pronunciation.

                          I am a journalist who also taught English to foreign students who were speakers of over two dozen different first languages. I also have extensive background and education in linguistics. It's not an argument; it's a matter of skeletal reporting and a meaningless implied comparison.

                          • 1 vote
                          #18.1 - Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:38 AM EDT
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                          Let me begin by stating I do not want the guns of law-abiding citizens. I think we can go a long way by imposing BIG punishments to those who use guns during crimes, or who are known gang-members who carry illegally. OK, so if you are a hunter or collector I DO NOT want your gun. Here comes the tough part.

                          I also do not believe the 2nd Amendment gives anyone the right to own guns. I truly, honestly believe they were referring to the state militias. Why? Well, when the 2nd Amendment was written it was a totally different time than today. EVERYONE naturally owned guns. Hunters, ranchers, explorers, etc. all owned guns and it was the most natural thing to do. Stating that people at that time could bear arms would be like telling us know that we can carry cell phones. It would just be obvious.

                          One more thing. Please don't tell me 'guns don't kill people'. It is the dumbest argument ever. Let's be intelligent about this problem.

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#19 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:29 PM EDT
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                          Bill from the braincookies.com,

                          "Let me begin by stating I do not want the guns of law-abiding citizens"

                          Somehow I think your post ended up on the wrong blog. I am at a loss to see what guns have to do with a spelling bee.

                            Reply#20 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:34 PM EDT

                            Is there a Ebonics spelling bee?

                            Who knew that there were more that 53 words in Spanish that can be spoken in front of kids.

                            OK, haters, just kidding. Lighten up.

                              Reply#21 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:47 PM EDT
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                              Teacher: "OK students here is the tie breaking word: Chinga."

                              Student: "Can you say it in a sentence?"

                              Teacher: "Chinga tu madre."

                              Read 4th paragraph of this article.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#22 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:58 PM EDT
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                              Ha! I don't speak Spanish and I could do alright in a Spanish spelling bee. What a waste of time, with a phonetic language.

                                Reply#23 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:09 PM EDT

                                estancamiento ....A Mexican stand off !

                                  Reply#24 - Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:30 PM EDT

                                  There are a lot o reasons to learn a foreign language besides economic ones. I find it rather sad that the right wing (English first!) commentaries dominate this post. I find the post rather uplifting. As for spelling being easy in Spanish, when I was young I received mail from Mexico with many miss-spellings in Spanish, among others, the juxtaposition of the b and v, and then there are also words in Spanish of foreign origin. Try spelliing the words that are pronounced like "why" (cool in Spain) and the mexican "way" in English. As to the girls ability to speak and spell in English, I would bet that it is superior to many of the rednecks posting right wing comments. I am a white anglo and I have no problem including EVERYONE here as US. So "Chicago's er...." when you "OUR" don't you really mean "Republican Right wing"?

                                    Reply#27 - Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:43 AM EDT
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                                    There is nothing wrong with learning multiple languages, in fact it is a good thing.

                                    HOWEVER - Here is the problem

                                    The easiest way to promote discrimination and division among people is to find ways to limit their ability to communicate and have them self discriminate themselves because of a false sense of pride of language or culture.

                                    For neither good nor bad the language spoken by the vast majority of citizens of the United States is English.

                                    If one wanted to live in Mexico they should learn espanol, in France then le français, in Germany then deutsch In Italy then italiano, in Portugal or Brazil then portugues etc,etc

                                    This is a country of immigrants (my father is Czech, mother Colombian) and one common trait all past immigrants knew is that it was their responsibility to learn English and become part of this great nation. They left their homeland to start a new life and live the American dream not to import and recreate the discrimination and social classifications they left their homelands to escape.

                                    Again there is nothing wrong with learning multiple languages; but

                                    All United State Americans should demand that we as a country have one common language which governs our communications with government and amongst people. That language by default is English. Unless you're deaf and/or mute, learn it or please leave. If you need a translator for legal purposes it's your responsibility to acquire them not the rest of ours to provide them.

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