I know, people have a problem over anything these days. Take a chill pill.

Nah, he doesn't even have chance there. This is just about personal disrespect now.

Freedom of Speech doesn't come to a screeching halt just because twelve people died in a mass shooting.

I can't stand Obama, but this is over the top. Hopefully they will take it down.

Hmmm... Here's the real issue: The people behind the billboard message sound like they are far right wing conservative Christian Republicans - who still cannot get over the fact that a "Black Man," a man of mixed race, won election as POTUS.

Rather than trying to do positive things to help other people, all they can think about is finding every way possible to discredit, denigrate, and try to illegitimize President Obama. I am a moderately conservative Republican, but I am not part of that crowd.

However, the fact is: Mr. Obama's election is the direct responsibility and fault of the Republican Party.

The Republican Party hung their hopes on a cranky old fart who could not remember how many houses he owns, and what's her name from Alaska. Those were two very bad, extremely poor, choices. The same thing is going to happen this year, IF the Republican Party selects Mr. Romney as the nominee. The Republican Party needs to quickly get very serious about finding a better-qualified candidate to oppose Mr. Obama.

Willard is running around as if he has already won the nomination, and the election; and that is fueling his penchant for making goofy statements such as those he made in London yesterday. Willard is not a good choice.

You thought this is the 21st century? But there is always something that does not change - the darkness of hearts because of racism.

Where is common sense? One of reasons it is hard for common sense to prevail is racism.

Yes,Hitler would be proud of them!

Jeff-1592116:

Well I find this wrong and even more wrong, but I have to ask where was the out rage over the left when people on the left were comparing BUSH or the Republicans to Nazi’s.

HMM where were you guys, that’s right you still do it.

From January 20, 2001 to January 19, 2009—those would be the Bush years—the left was comparing President George W. Bush to Hitler and calling his administration to the 43^rd Reich. Also saying things like Bush for one thing, is not as smart as Adolf Hitler and that Bush has way more power then Adolf Hitler ever had

In 2004 the left not only attacked Bush but all newly elected Republicans saying stuff like now we have got a bunch of Hitler now.

Also the a lot on the left blame the United States for the attack on 9/11, saying stuff like "But who are the terrorists? Are we the terrorists or are they the terrorists? ... They flew the plane in, but we caused it." Or 911 was an inside job.

The left has shown image of President Bush with a clown nose or a swastika.

As far as I’m concerned the left can go pound sand. YOU don’t like it when your guys in office yet its fine if it’s the others guy in office.

DO you on the left understand that Hitler makes this guy who killed those people in the theater look like a quire boy compared to Hitler. I got a great idea how about this when you on the left stop your **** and BS. We on the right will stop too. In tell then quit being upset about it your side has done it too.

The result of almost 4 years of non stop on air hatred. Thanks Glenn, Rush and all of you loving, caring folks at Fox.

"Freedom of Speech doesn't come to a screeching halt just because twelve people died in a mass shooting." says Shandril.

Right. But stupid must be confronted even if it is free to be.

Vote Romney in November save the country!.......for the wealthy few.

Over the line!!!

I'm sorry, Smokey, it was over the line, mark it zero.

Next frame.

Maurice Clements, a former Idaho lawmaker who now keeps Smeed's tradition alive, told the Statesman: "We're all outraged over that killing in Aurora, Colo., but we're not outraged over the boys killed in Afghanistan."

Oh, really? How about the thousands of "boys" killed in Iraq and Afghanistan because of George W. Bushs's deciding to send them there to begin with? Oh, right: Bush CONservative, so Bush good -- Obama "Evil Socialist Liberal Muslim", so Obama bad. Of course.

HOW LOW CAN YOU GO?

The people who call themselves conservative these days are the most radical, un-thinking, un-feeling, self rightous jerks I have ever had the displeasure of having contact with. I really do want a fiscally conservative party that stands up for citizens rights. Is that too much to ask>

No surprise here, this is in Idaho!

Everyone here needs to stop and take a deep breath. People on each side of the issues are both screaming "The other side is nothing but morons! My side is the right side! People on the other side must be inferior/have something wrong with them!"

As long as people keep thinking that way, we're just going to keep getting railroaded by politicians, corporations, and the corporate media (BOTH sides) into things that aren't good for anyone but them. Ordinary people on the left and right need to start talking with each other and synthesizing ideas. We need to stop allowing the political discourse from getting so extreme, because THAT will be the death of the US. We are not living up to the motto that our founders adopted, E Pluribus Unum. From many, one. The language of left and right, red and blue, my side and your side needs to stop. It doesn't matter if you're liberal or conservative, we are all citizens of the United States of America.

Of course with all that said, this billboard is extremely insensitive and tactless. Both to the president, and the victims of the shooting and their families (it's only been 1 week for crying out loud, people are still in the hospital).

The billboard is in very poor taste, beyond poor taste, especially coming on the heels of the Aurora shooting.

And I might point out, for all the self-satisfied liberals on here who are keen to blame Republicans for this fiasco, this was put up by Libertarians-- a completely different political animal altogether.

It's the work of supporters of the late Ralph Smeed, for many years a lightning-rod activist for libertarian causes in Idaho

Reading comprehension isn't a prerequisite, but it's a good thing.

(disclaimer: I'm an independent, so keep your snark. I don't approve of this billboard. If you still have any faith in the two major parties, then you may as well just flip a coin with two tails and keep shouting "heads!")

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Freedom of Speech doesn't come to a screeching halt just because twelve people died in a mass shooting.

Not sure why you got collapsed, when I'm still waiting for the ft hood shooter to get his day in court.

if i think it was in bad taste...then i don't look or look ...it's like collapsing...a comment cause it tells the raw truth...and some can't handle the truth...yup more young innocent americans will be killed needlessly in iraq...than in a movie theater...what you think bout that...and more young innocent iraq people will die in iraq than in a theater...war it's something the rich...have the poor do...long has it's not their kids fighting it...

"Maurice Clements, a former Idaho lawmaker who now keeps Smeed's tradition alive..."

The only consoling thing about that statement is that with Mr. Ralph Smeed now two years dead, hopefully his "traditions" will soon follow in his footsteps.

Still trying to be the master race; pathetic.

Wanna bet $900 billion? More like $1.3 trillion according to the cbo today.

Whether you vote for Obama or would rather vote for somebody else isn't the issue here. That billboard is disgusting, insensitive and disrespectful to the victims in Aurora, CO.

I'm not a fan of GWB but in fairness it should be noted that Afghanistan isn't just an American war. NATO has been involved from the beginning. The British actually have more troops there then we do at this time. And Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11/2001. 9/11/2001 is why we are in Afghanistan.

The un-Christian and un-American far right continues to spew out its filth.Shameful and disguting.

UnAmerican...yes. Unchristian...unfortunately, the mainstream of christianity is just getting more and more hateful with every passing day.

Only in Mormon country. Mormons; the original space alien theorists. Just remember people Mitt is one of these folks.

I am totally appalled at this ... as Idaho is a state close to mine, I would so appreciate you all not commenting that every person that lives there feels the same way! Good laws! Yes, a lot of conservative states have their faults, but I really agree with tonybeerm . . .

The result of almost 4 years of non stop on air hatred. Thanks Glenn, Rush and all of you loving, caring folks at Fox

Don't be hating on the people that inhabit these western RED states, be hating on those that continue to feed on their simplicity. Yes, it would be great to get out and have a little chit chat with them all, but for the most part, hard workers, have voted Republican all of their lives, and now the stupid #$%&^$ TEA PARTY has so screwed up the GOP that if they said they supported John McCain in the last election they might be laughed at.

Please for the love of this country GOP ... get your SH$% together! Reign in your teabaggers that embarass Jon Huntsman and John McCain, because right now, all the entire country is seeing as your "message" is that you hate the President. Is that what you want to teach your children? Vote for the one you "hate the least?" GAH!!!!!!!!!!

And Jake, you insult every single person that lives in Utah or Idaho by saying it's Mormon Country ... You become just like Ann Romney ... "YOU People." Give it a rest and STOP generalizing.

Alex cali...

No ceegar for you mister. It is wrong to try to mix budgets, deficits and debts into one. Each one is different. Now if you want to the treasury.gov site and compare the actual historical debt as reported by the US dept of treasury you will get the actual numbers spent regardless of FY budgetary numbers. Yes the war costs show up here as well even if not a line item on anyones approved budget.

If you look at what the passed FY2009 budget allocated neither TARP or the 2009 stimulas will likely show up. Now, when the treasury tells us what our debt is at the end of FY2009 (oct 2010) it is logical to assign TARP to bush2 and company but any other expenditures beyond the originally passed FY2009 budget plan after jan 2009 goes to obama, ie the $800 billion + 2009 stimulas.

The national debt is in real $$$ numbers not the spin numbers of % or of GDP or budgetary goal numbers. Comparing the real $$$ spent (via actual national debt numbers) tells us what each administration has spent. Even when taking into account for the projected national debt through sept 2013 (last FY of obama) shows us that the obama administration will have spent more than bush2's administration.

There are no excuses that you can present to say differently as each administration sets the standards for spending even for exogenous events. To blame the bush2 administration is the same as to blame the obama administration. The buck stopped at both their doors.

BTW - If you want to talk about budgets why didn't obama force the democrat controlled congress to submit budgets for FY2010 and FY2011 for approval? Why did the republican controlled house have to do the FY2011 budget for them? Why does the senate under senate leader reid still refuse to offer up a FY2012 or FY2013 budgetary plan? I mean the FY2012 plan is really nothing more than a continuing resolution for spending.

Interesting that obama and the left really don't want to come up with a budget per law.

witchrunner: For 7 1/2 years after 9/11 the left spent almost every waking moment criticizing Bush for his policies in Iraq and Afghanistan.

NEWSFLASH: defending Dumbya Bush will get you nowhere. Do you see the Right using him, quoting him, or invoking him for this election? NO! Why? Becuase the Right hates him too. He was a coke-snorting coward who ran from his national guard post during his own war. When he tripped over president, on his daddy's coat-tails, he gave us this Bush Recession that we'll be dealing with for two decades. He LIED us into a War that has cost us Trillions of Dollars already, and will cost us Trillions more before we're done.

There are good reasons he's hated. By both sides of the aisle.

what's wrong with people? but saying mitt is one of these folks is just as bad as the sign comparison.

Stargazer... As usual an internet search on your supposed quotations return nothing. Perhaps you need to replace your little tin hat or provide actual links to support your assertions.

starsailing: Don't you think that it is time to put the "Bush lied" lie to rest. It's old and false. Everyone knows it. If that's all you can come up with, maybe you should start your education all over again at first grade and hope that you have teachers who know how to teach. The one's you had obviously failed you.

Dmorgan...

Newsflash!!! Bush2 is no longer president but obama has been since jan 2009. Quite the humorist you are in suggesting that bush2 has spent TRILLIONS on the afghan and iraq conflicts yet obama could have stopped the spending as POTUS and CinC. I have no problem in letting history define bush2's actions, but apparently you just want to ignore historical events beyond any POTUS's control.

I wonder how soon it will be before you start condeming obama for not seeking congressional approval for the libyan intervention.

Wow, and now you want to blame bush2 for for a mismanaged economic recovery headed up by obama? Sure can't connect the dots can you? At least you seem to be in the same league as obama, blame anyone else but yourself or obama. Good luck with that.

@chartsweb: Where did I say Mitt was sponsoring this Billboard Jezuz Krist no wonder you folks take the President out of context. I was referring and I think it is clear to anyone with a simple command of the English language; to the concept that Mormons are fruitcake space alien believers nothing else. Mitt is one of these folks - Mormons. Idaho is loaded with em -it is Utah North.

american-2051576

Alex cali...

No ceegar for you mister. It is wrong to try to mix budgets, deficits and debts into one. Each one is different. Now if you want to the treasury.gov site and compare the actual historical debt as reported by the US dept of treasury you will get the actual numbers spent regardless of FY budgetary numbers. Yes the war costs show up here as well even if not a line item on anyones approved budget.

If you look at what the passed FY2009 budget allocated neither TARP or the 2009 stimulas will likely show up. Now, when the treasury tells us what our debt is at the end of FY2009 (oct 2010) it is logical to assign TARP to bush2 and company but any other expenditures beyond the originally passed FY2009 budget plan after jan 2009 goes to obama, ie the $800 billion + 2009 stimulas.

The national debt is in real $$$ numbers not the spin numbers of % or of GDP or budgetary goal numbers. Comparing the real $$$ spent (via actual national debt numbers) tells us what each administration has spent. Even when taking into account for the projected national debt through sept 2013 (last FY of obama) shows us that the obama administration will have spent more than bush2's administration.

There are no excuses that you can present to say differently as each administration sets the standards for spending even for exogenous events. To blame the bush2 administration is the same as to blame the obama administration. The buck stopped at both their doors.

BTW - If you want to talk about budgets why didn't obama force the democrat controlled congress to submit budgets for FY2010 and FY2011 for approval? Why did the republican controlled house have to do the FY2011 budget for them? Why does the senate under senate leader reid still refuse to offer up a FY2012 or FY2013 budgetary plan? I mean the FY2012 plan is really nothing more than a continuing resolution for spending.

Interesting that obama and the left really don't want to come up with a budget per law.

You are one misinformed little parrot..... ARRA will not be spent fully until 2019. Look it up..

Lets do something.... In Oct 2008 Bush submitted a 3.110 trillion budget for fiscal year and thats what he requested and no one can argue with that ok... Obama comes in and passes the final budget for 2009 at 3.5 trillion. Logic tells us that Obama added 389 billion to the already requested Bush budget of 3.11 trillion. But we know that Obama spent 187 for ARRA in 2009 budget, so where do the other 202 billion come from?

Lets look at it like this. Bush turned in 7 budgets before the 2009 budget. If you go and look at those 7 budgets you will see that those budgets are sent as money requested and in the end the money enacted has always been higher. He did that for 7 budgets and you are going to tell me that in hes last budget after nearly bringing the country down with the financial crisis its exactly what he requested. YEAH RIGHT!!!

Give me a link that shows what Obama added for spending in 2009 other than the 187 billion for ARRA.

TARP was part of the 3.1 trillion "REQUESTED" by Bush. And let me tell you it wasn't the 800 billion that you list above it was more like 475 billion in the end.

Republicans passed their version of the budget that asked for a balanced budget amendment to be able to pass in congress. Do you know what that would have meant for our country? Does Greece ring a bell?

That budget by the republicans was all a show!! Because if you look at the Bush years all the legislation that brought down the country in those years it was all approved by the same leadership in the Senate and House that wanted a balanced budget amendment.

Sometimes i feel like they did all that spending under Bush to bring the country down and then come and attack Medicare and SS. And if Romney is elected the Ryan plan is sure to be adopted. Thats why i believe that before the election most of the country will know exactly what the Ryan plan will mean for them. Obama will make sure that happens.

In all of this verbiage I found two, possibly three, posts that had something to say. The rest are responding to each other and steadily escalating as they do it.

I like what Pale Blue Dot had to say; it's way back up the line. He/she is right; we need to get back to being a unified country again and not a nation of tennis balls battered around by corrupt politicians, a media that is far from non-partisan and an election system that is flawed.

As far as the sign goes; it is my opinion that Obama needs to go. But, a billboard of the type described has no place in the process.

The two party system has become so degraded, so unworkable that this sort of thing can happen and will again. We need an honest choice, not Obama, who is working under the table to bring this country into European style Socialism - not Romney, who we are supposed to vote for because he is not Obama. We need to find our way back to where and who we used to be.

Big Al LasVegas said:

Has anyone asked the question, 'Why is there so much right wing hate in America?'. These people live in the greatest country in human history and all they can do is muster up hate. They should be grateful they don't live a hell hole like Somalia.

What we hate is that this Obamanation has done nothing but try to turn America into Somalia or any other third world country! And we are not going to let him. He's going on home to his shi*-hole Chicago in January - were corruption rules. It will suit him! Him and Rahm - together again.

As far as hate, you on the left are pathetically hypocritical. All we heard for 8 years was your hatred. Now we'll be hearing it for 8 more, but who cares. That's just the way it works.

Witchrunner- Bush did lie, he lied the day he went on tv and told us that Iraq had wmd's, when he said he had intel which proved it. Only after we went to war did it come out that he lied. His administration felt it was best to lie to the American people to justify the war. People want to know why so many hate Bush. Look how many of our soldiers died over a lie. He went to Iraq because of the oil, he went to Iraq because he had neocons telling him what to do. Those same neocons are now telling Romney what to do. If Romney wins this election, how many wars do you suppose he will get us into and how many more of our military will have to die because of it?

PaleBlueDot

Everyone here needs to stop and take a deep breath. People on each side of the issues are both screaming "The other side is nothing but morons! My side is the right side! People on the other side must be inferior/have something wrong with them!"

As long as people keep thinking that way, we're just going to keep getting railroaded by politicians, corporations, and the corporate media (BOTH sides) into things that aren't good for anyone but them. Ordinary people on the left and right need to start talking with each other and synthesizing ideas. We need to stop allowing the political discourse from getting so extreme, because THAT will be the death of the US. We are not living up to the motto that our founders adopted, E Pluribus Unum. From many, one. The language of left and right, red and blue, my side and your side needs to stop. It doesn't matter if you're liberal or conservative, we are all citizens of the United States of America.

Of course with all that said, this billboard is extremely insensitive and tactless. Both to the president, and the victims of the shooting and their families (it's only been 1 week for crying out loud, people are still in the hospital).

Great post PaleBlueDot.... Carl Sagan will be disgusted with the way our great country and world has changed for the worse.

debdem: The problem is that you and a lot of dems have no recollection, or at least an incorrect recollection of what Bush said. The fact is that Bush never, ever said that "Iraq has WMDs." I repeat, he NEVER said that. He did say that there was intelligence indicating that Sadaam had it and was trying to acquire it. And, guess what? Pelosi, Reid, algore, and others looked at the intelligence and reached the same conclusion. The fact is that there was such intelligence. The delusional defefinition of "lying" that the libs have been using is so absurd as to, ordinarily shouldn't be necessary to comment on. An analogy is if I come up to you and introduce my friend to you and say "debdem, I want you to meet my friend Jane." Then, someone you know comes up to you and you introduce "Jane" by saying "Mary, this is Jane." And everyone in the room who hears you and shout that you are a liar because the woman's name is actually named Connie. Did you lie? You, and other libs apparently wish to think so. Is that the ordinary person's understanding of lying? Of course not! Yet, the insistence of a lie continues. Why? Because, for libs, if the truth doesn't match their yarn, they have to continue to repeat the yarn until they get enough people to believe that it is the truth. You may be too young to know, but under Bush 41 the treaty signed with Sadaam said that Sadaam had to prove that he destroyed certain weapons, and of course when he kept booting out the inspectors, which he agreed were to be there, he violated the surrender treaty. Because of that, it is logical to assume that he had not destroyed the weapons that he said he had destroyed. Oh, and they actually did find WMDs in Iraq! They were the older weapons that Sadaam didn't destroy. Also, it doesn't take a genius to realize that with the time given to Sadaam before the actual fighting began that he had plenty of time to ship any WMDs out of the country. Nothing has established that he did not do so.

Since you are so insistent on calling people liars, even when not warranted, how about you being truthful and call Obama a liar. Heck, his lies are even more obvious. Remember his claim that "Stimulus' needed to be passed to prevent the unemployment rate from going above 8%? Well, it's obvious that he lied because it hasn't been below 8% since it was passed. Of course, we know that libs don't hold their own to the same standard that they hold conservs to.

Idaho huh? Nuff said.

75KCapitalist

Alex Cali:

Your math is flawed dude. You make claims regarding Obama's budget. The douchebag hasn't had a budget, EVER, in his entire 3+ year term. If you're talking about his proposed budgets, not one member of Congress has voted for them, EVER, in that 3+ year term. Quit drinking the kool-aid and making yourself look like a totally clueless moron.

Its that a fox news talking point?? That Obama has not a passed a budget? The budget is still passed through laws below as written in the constitution.

Under the U.S. presidential system, the support of the Congress for the President's appropriations requests is not necessary for the separately elected President to remain in office, but can severely limit the President's ability to govern effectively.

In the United States, two types of legislation are used to spend money. An authorization establishes a program that will later spend the money, but does not necessarily provide any funding. A mandatory program is one that does not need an additional piece of legislation known as an appropriation in order for spending to occur. The authority for spending to occur for the mandatory program is included in the authorization legislation. Social security benefits are an example of a "mandatory" program.

An authorization bill can create programs and make known Congress's intended level of spending for programs that also require an appropriation. What distinguishes a mandatory program from a discretionary program is that after Congress enacts a law creating a mandatory program, the program is permitted to spend funds until the program expires based on a provision in law, or until a subsequent law either terminates the program or reauthorizes it. "Discretionary" programs typically require annual appropriations legislation.

An appropriation bill is used to actually provide money to "discretionary" programs. Appropriations are generally done on an annual basis, although multi-year appropriations are occasionally passed. According to the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 8, clause 12), army appropriations cannot be for more than two years at a time. An annual appropriation requires that the funds appropriated be obligated (spent) by the end of the fiscal year of the appropriation. Once the fiscal year ends, no more money can be spent via the prior year's appropriation. A new appropriation for the new fiscal year must be passed in order for continued spending to occur, or passage of a special appropriations bill known as a continuing resolution, which generally permits continued spending for a short period of time—usually at prior year levels. The Anti-Deficiency Act makes void any attempt to spend money for which there is no current appropriation.

According to the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 7, clause 1), all bills relating to revenue, generally tax bills, must originate in the House of Representatives, consistent with the Westminster system requiring all money bills to originate in the lower house which is why the appropriations bills that are enacted begin with "H.R.", indicating a bill that originated in the House. The Constitution also states that the "Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills," so in practice, the Senate and House each drafts and considers its own bill. The Senate then "cuts-and-pastes", substituting the language of its bill of a particular appropriations bill for the language of House bill, then agrees to the bill as amended.

Aside from Obama not passing a budget what in my math is flawed? Can you post some numbers that discredits my math?

"Maurice Clements, a former Idaho lawmaker who now keeps Smeed's tradition alive..."

Congratulations, Clements, you've just reminded us of a sample of the kind of supremely absurd things that Republican-voting Libertarians want others to dishonorably believe in. I think it's safe to say that you've just done both political parties of the Right and the Far Right, a grave public disservice.

And I, personally, want to thank you for doing so ...because you've just made my choice for President much more clearer with me, come the November Elections.

Obama / Biden, 2012

Jake-991574: Only in Mormon country. Mormons; the original space alien theorists. Just remember people Mitt is one of these folks.

funny isn't it -- how quickly conservatives prove to us that they have NO VALUES. Before, mormonism was a whacky cult. Now, one of its biggest Chief Cultists is the Savior of the Right Wing.

They have no values, or at best, they'll sell what little values they have for a DIME.

Mitt and his Magic Underwear! The Right-Wing's choice for President.

How hilarious!!

@BigAl Las Vegas: I hear you, what is with these right wing zealots? We all support free speech, but all they seem to do with their liberty is exercise their rights to hate speech and stupid comments. There's a lot I'd like to agree with in the GOP, but as long as they stand up for the ignorant bigots like the ones responsible for this billboard, then I can't support them.

American and witch....so are you both just plain ignorant and don't know how to search? Are you both liars and did not do search? Take your pick, you are one or the other. Do search on Bush lies nation into war. Spend the rest of your life reading. Try this site!

Independent Study Finds Bush "Unequivocally" Lied U.S. into War with Iraq

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A nonprofit collaboration of two independent, non-governmental organizations has concluded that President Bush used at least 532 misleading and deceptively false statements to justify military action against Iraq. In all, the Bush administration as a whole used a mind-numbing 935 false statements to goad America into war with Iraq. Calling their findings "an orchestrated deception on the path to war," the partnership report may very well be the first fully comprehensive investigation that incontrovertibly proves the Bush administration lied this nation into an unfounded war.

The Center for Public Integrity and the Fund for Independence in Journalism determined, through a collective study and breakdown of Bush administration speeches, press briefings and interviews, that Bush and other top officials "led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information."

According to the report, Bush alone lied more than 259 times, including 232 false statements "about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq" and "28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida." Quoting Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism, "It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida." Furthermore, the shared study noted, "the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses."

Among the seven top officials cited, Colin Powell was the most egregious in the dispersal of dissembling and mendacious language regarding the requisite call for war against Iraq. Powell is attributed to having made 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in a two-year period beginning on September 11, 2001 and through the commencement of military action in Iraq on March 18, 2003.

As a microcosm example of at least 935 lies cataloged by the exhaustive study, Vice President Dick Cheney declared on August 26, 2002 that "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." Bush's patently false proclamation, made on May 29, 2003, "We have found the weapons of mass destruction," has now been completed discredited. Of course, no weapons of mass destruction were ever found and George Bush, on NBC's Meet the Press in 2004 conceded, "No weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq."

In a never-ending stream of fuzzy rationales to justify war, beginning as early as November of 2001, the Bush administration began making disingenuous statements attempting to tie Saddam to the attackers of 9/11. Quoting Bush, "They're both risks, they're both dangerous. The difference, of course, is that Al Qaeda likes to hijack governments. Saddam Hussein is a dictator of a government. Al Qaeda hides, Saddam doesn't, but the danger is, is that they work in concert." However, in stark contrast, the 9/11 Commission Report was unable to establish any "evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with Al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States."

The comprehensive study also touches on and illuminates the vast failures of the mainstream media; mainly their failure to offer critical scrutiny, while chiefly operating as Bush's surrogate and disseminator in the misleading rhetoric of the dire need to take the country to war. During that critical, seminal juncture in the run up to the war, the media "creating an almost impenetrable din" that forced out nearly all dissenting views, the report revealed.

In what may be the first true, categorical "War Report Card" that separates fact from fiction, fine tunes mass distortion into utter clarity, the Center for Public Integrity makes a compelling case that "Following 9/11, President Bush and seven top officials of his administration waged a carefully orchestrated campaign of misinformation about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq."

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To learn more and read the full report, visit on the web:

Center For Public Integrity: http://www.publicintegrity.org/default

Witchy......You do remember Bush/Cheney/Rove outing CIA agent when her husband reported that the yellow cake nuke story was a lie. Bush Sr called the person who outed the agenst a traitor. Imagine him calling his son a traitor, the president calling the president a traitor! EVERYTHING YOU WROTE witchy is made up in your mind witchy....you don't deal with facts. You just type away making stuff up day after day after day.

It's inspiring to see Idaho, land of right wing neo-nazi survivalist militias, is exercising its First Amendment right of freedom of speech by making ignorant, hateful, and bigoted statements for the entire world to see. The people of Idaho should be proud. And by proud I mean, of course, deeply ashamed and penitent.

. If you notice it's always the conservatives who state facts on this site which you libs totally ignore and attack and name call.

oh right, such so-called "facts" like:

Obama is a Socialist. He is destroying America because he hates what we stand for.

then you add the ignorant name-calling and attack of :

If not you just keep proving me right.....you libs are missing some genetic gene which makes you incapable of analyzing facts and getting to the truth.

obviously, you are speaking about your own complete inability to think for yourself

I am going to act like you libs and do some name calling.....you are all f-ing idiots.

clearly projecting your own inability to analyze facts and utilize reason. typical for a teabagger

I lived in Idaho for my first 27 years and I can tell you that there's a reason why I left that state! "Democrat" was considered a 4-letter word there. There were very, very few people who were not republican. If you spoke out in support of any Democrat or progressive cause, you were attacked and ridiculed. (I have a Democrat friend who still lives there and hardly dares to speak a word about politics at work.) Racism was rampant there. If you dated someone outside of your race (say, a black person), you can bet people were staring at you and/or threatening you AND the black person. And gay people? Forget about it! Hate crimes against them practically every weekend. In fact, if you look up the word "hate", you might very well find a picture of the state of Idaho next to it. Google a lady named Helen Chenoweth, who was repeatedly elected to Congress by Idahoans. She was just as scary as Sarah Palin.

So, am I surprised by this billboard? Absolutely not!!!

Suffice it to say - when I escaped, I never looked back!

The right wingers in this country have gone over the deep end and they are taking the Republican party with them. They are disgusting and idiotic. They just keep losing the only sane and decent people they have left which wasn't many to begin with.

@Mac Forrester, I'm with you! Idaho.....the land of former senator Larry "blowhole" Craig! Stick to potato farming Idahoans, or electing self-hating gays and mentally unbalanced racists. It's really what you do best. Leave the whole election thing to the adults with brains. Frankly, I'm surprised Clements is capable of putting a sentence together as he seems to be working with minimal brain function. The billboard is just his way to get attention and it did, it will bite him in the a$$ though. Wonder what he'll put up on election night after Obama wins again? Clements=big mouth, no cojones!

The Bible says that POWER will given to the Beast, to make war on the Saints and overcome them . Jan1 ,2012 Obama passed a little thing called the NDAA , I suggest every single one of you, read every word of it. What you are going to find as I did , is this so called LAW was made exactly for the purpose stated above ,the killing of the Christians. This gives the President the POWER ,to name any Individual,State ,or Organization (Church,Militia ) an enemy combatant, and bring the full force of the US military against them . NO FLAG OF TRUCE WILL BE HONORED ,AND QUARTER SHALL BE GIVEN. So in fact these Idahoans you callin DA's are a lot smarert than alot of you people ever thought about being ,at least their heads are not buried to the shoulders.

not an obama fan but this is uncalled for. you also cant blame many for the actions of a few!

What is this bash Idaho day? Democrat this, democrat that. Here's a history lesson for you morons , From George Washingtons memoirs......There are at this time ,a group of elite bankers and Jacobians (Illuminati ) who have infiltrated the Freemasons of America ,whom at this moment are attempting to create a political party ,who's sole purpose is to destroy the Republic, it is called the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Don't you you wake up now ! To late, that boat sailed out with your constitution, and your civil rights, while you sat on your asses and called anyone protesting a nutjob . You deserve whats coming ,you think Hitler was bad .......HA ! Think this Drought, and the Famine thats coming isn't foretold in Scripture. A days wages for a loaf of Bread , The MARK of the BEAST is coming , and the NDAA gives him Power to make all both great and small,rich and poor, to recieve his Mark or Worship his Image, or he will cause them to be KILLED . Wake up Isreal , you have been asleep long enough .

Danger danger, the reasonable people are seeing what you really are! As much fun as some right wing fools are having, they don't understand the true effect of this. reasonable people will shun this. reasonable people become more likely to vote for Obama. So please just keep it up, do not change your attitude one bit. And thank you for the help.

Research what BARAK Baw maw means in Hebrew ......Also what YES WE CAN says played backwards.

WMG-21

And I might point out, for all the self-satisfied liberals on here who are keen to blame Republicans for this fiasco, this was put up by Libertarians-- a completely different political animal altogether.

Right - both want taxes to go to zero (even to their detriment), limited or non-existant federal government, no government involvement in business and both were integral in the tea party movement. I can see the difference. LOL In fact - if they are so different - why did ROn Paul run as a repub?

Show me the last billboard a liberal put up that compared a repub to a mass murderer. Oh wait. You cant.

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Has anyone asked the question, 'Why is there so much right wing hate in America?'. These people live in the greatest country in human history and all they can do is muster up hate. They should be grateful they don't live a hell hole like Somalia.

Why? Rovian politics gone wild. Anyone remember back in the day when studies were done on TV messaging and it's brainwashing capability? Subliminal messaging? Leveraging latent fears? The studies showed just how powerful repeated and targeted messages were and how they could actually shape the thinking of an unsuspecting viewer. It's real.

After so many years of "hate ads work" attitudes from the right, we're basically out of control. With targets like the poor, the unfortunate, the unemployed, the non-white, the non-Christian, the young, the female, and anyone else "not like us", the political machines have surfaced more hate in a decade than we've seen for a century.

Add in the desensitization of our society with the hate and violence in movies, in games, and even on the radio, and you have effected a major change in the way we think and interact.

Now the Democrats are struggling and sometimes giving in to the hate messaging. It works. So why not. The end justifies the means, right? Winning off of lies is still winning, isn't it?

We need to start making consequences for lying. We need to raise our voices and reverse this uncaring discriminatory trend. We all talk ethics and morals but let false and hurtful lies stand without consequence. We are letting this happen...

"It's the work of supporters of the late Ralph Smeed, for many years a lightning-rod activist for libertarian causes in Idaho, The Idaho Statesman of Boise reported"

Dave (and other posters)....You can type so I'm assuming you can READ, but you need to work on your COMPREHENSION. Billboard NOT the work of the Republicans. That being said...I think it was a rotten thing to do, to use the families of the victims to politicize a tragic event, no matter what or who is responsible for it.

Forget it conservatives, the left has a far bigger propaganda network than you! The left have become masters of information manipulation.

The left has the cable news, tv news, print news and most of the internet news (except Fox). The left has the minds of the youth in schools through the NEA. That means that when the left says you hate Obama because he's black and ignores the criticisms of his policy to transform America, his background of associations with America-hating communists, the news will keep pushing the racist bit. The left wins in the opinion-forming industry. This is what wins elections.

When G.W. Bush was in office, remember the news media would report daily the number of U.S. military members killed in action. Now that Obama is in office...when was the last time you heard about this? The left wins opinions. The right loses.

The left has determined that America as it was founded and as it has always been must be destroyed to usher in something different. Even if Obama loses the election, the left will never stop with this agenda. They will keep coming back to undermine American superiority.

You should have been paying more attention decades ago.

It's amazing the hatred some white folks show for this President. They will stoop to new lows to do anything to get him out of office.

OBAMA/BIDEN/HOLDER....2012!!!!

Shandril,

Freedom of Speech doesn't come to a screeching halt just because twelve people died in a mass shooting.

I'm sure it's already been calmly explained upteenth times in the above thread, BUT-- THIS STORY HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH "FREEDOM OF SPEECH". A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE IT IS NOT. IT'S SIMPLY A STORY OF OTHERS REACTING(EXERCISING THEIR OWN "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" IF YOU WILL) TO THE WORDS AND MESSAGE OF ANOTHER, EVEN IF MOSTLY UNFAVORABLE.

UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION?

Signed,

Someone who never uses caps or exclamation points to add emphasis to their argument, until NOW!

Hey Buddy Russell,

Put down the bible...and put on a shirt.

Disgusting. The Republicans continue to seek new lows. They sacrifice the national economy in an effort to grab more power. They will say anything, do anything, to put more money into the hands of the ultra rich at the expence of everyone else.

Purge congress of Republicans. There are no Christian values left in the Republican party.

So far in this campaign, Obama and his handlers have had no problem getting in the 'sewer' with their lying attack ads! The libetarian billboard in Idaho is finally a response to Barry's 'Chicago Style' politics! I'm glad someone is fighting back and wish the Repubicans would show some more huevos!!!

Barry's turning the country into a welfare state and if he steals another term he might be able to finish the job and implimenting his socialist agenda! God help us if that happens!

Um, Ed, Um, They guy was a LIBERTARIAN, not a Republican!

You have been conditioned by the left to think every evil is done by a Republican or a Rich guy. To me, that is bad as being like this RADICAL LIBERTARIAN.

Barry's turning the country into a welfare state and if he steals another term he might be able to finish the job and implementing his socialist agenda!

Please give one example of how the President is turning the country into a welfare state.

Then please give one example of his socialist agenda.

I would also appreciate an explanation of how he managed to steal his first term.

Thank you.

Insensitive, disgusting and dis-respectful. Whether you like Obama or not. Whether you think he has done a good job or not. This crosses the line on levels that can't even be counted.

The thing about this entire "I like" or "I hate" the president mentality never ceases to amaze me. There is nothing wrong with speaking your mind, or holding a peaceful demonstration if you don't agree with something. But with most elections reporting only 20-30 % of the eligible voters showing up at the polls, it seems to me that is where the problem, the BIG problem is. The election is not going to be decided on a news blog. It is not going to be decided at the coffee shop or the gas station. It is going to be decided at the polls. So it stands to reason the 70-80% of the people on here moaning about how awful things are, need to get out of bed, leave work early, or whatever they have to give up for 15 minutes, and get to the polls. EVERY election. Not just his one. They have early voting, absentee voting, so unless you have an emergency the day of the election, there should be no excuse for not getting out and voting. None. You know when it is. Find out where, too, if you don't know and drive your angry self down and make your voices heard that way. This ignorant back and forth on a blog is not solving anything, except momentarily making someone feel cool or better than someone else. Especially when they remain anonymous and spew forth hatred and dis-respect.

Then remember, whomever wins, unless they break the law, deserves the same respect the four years they are in. If we get back to respecting our leaders then a lot of problems can be solved. When we have in-fighting and dis-respect for each others opinions and do not work together, that is when we end up in the shape we are in. If they don't do the job, vote them out. I and most of the 20-30 % that do show up at the polls are not going to vote for a certain person based on a hate filled post that someone left on a news blog on a Saturday morning, sitting on their bed in their underwear feeling sorry for themselves. GO VOTE!

117 comments on this first comment alone and for all the nasty left vs. right political comments, no one has yet to address the fact that the billboard makes a damn good point.

How many people have died under Obama's watch as commander-in-chief of the military forces of the United States....? How many Afganis have actually attacked the United States....? How many Libyans attacked the United States? How many Iraqis attacked the United States....?

Obama's foreign policy is the same as GWB's...American Imperialism. What makes it even more egregious is that he spent years campaigning against it around the world, promising to end it.

But, hey....let's not let a little thing like facts get in the way of a bunch of faux outrage about a billboard.

First of all I would like to say that as a mother of a murdered child, this guy (or group) is/are heartless bastards. How dare you use this horrible event for your political gain. I don't care if you are Republican or Democrat there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO DO THIS!!!!!. Oh yeah , I forgot we are talking about White Supremacist & Neo Nazi country. They never get thier facts right before they act and they don't care one bit about who they hurt . I grew up in the Northwest so I can say this.

They love taking events like this to start spewing their hatred and biggotry, thats what they live for. If you were in any other counrty you would be arrested for treason and given whatever their punishment for the crime is. It amazes me how DISRESPECTFUL people in this country are to our President. It doesn't matter if you agree with him or not , but he is our President so show some respect.

As for the Iraq & Afgan war, President Obama didn't start the wars, the baffoon Bush did. He did it for nothing more than revenge for his father , & to try and finish what his father couldn't.

LEAVE THE VICTIMS OF THE AURORA SHOOTING OUT OF YOUR POLITICAL AGENDAS! THEY HAVE ENOUGH TO DO DEAL WITH ALREADY. THEY HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH AND WILL HAVE MORE HEARTACHE TO COME . SO AGAIN I AM SAYING TO LEAVE THEM ALONE AND OUT OF YOUR PREJUDICES.

17 out of 24 Romney advisors were part of the Bush/Cheney regime. Why? Because making a profit from the middle class and poor is the number one priority. Greed and $$$$$$$$ the legacy of the failed Bush team, now the Romney team. Team destruction of America, Romney/Bush/Cheney/Rove. Why would anyone vote republican after Bush presidency is known as the worse president in history? Why? Because Romney want to do the same thing to the country, more war profits and more money from the banksters and wallstreeters. They did not get all your money the first time, but will make sure they do if their is a second till. Romney and repubs plan. Kill Social security, kill medicare and Medicaid, and the post Office. Privatize for their profits.$$$$$$$$$$

Vote Obama/Biden 2012

all these collapsed , must stop; this is a open forum, where people may speak their feelings, if it is not vulgar, or disrespectful to a persons , race, religion or sexual choice; then stop all these collapses.

Yet Romney has intentions to attack Iran, and in an interview on Face the Nation, he said that the president has the power to act unilaterally against Iran?????? That means no congressional approval. Where have we heard THAT before!?! Pardon me, but I don't remember the bible saying anything about going around and killing all of the brown people... well, maybe Bush's... Jesus owned no guns, so the more guns you own, the less christ-like you become.

First of all for all you clueless liberal Democrats out there, these people are Libertarians, which are FAR from conservative Republicans as it were. The only thing "conservative" about Libertarians is their fiscal and minimal government beliefs. Otherwise they are as true blue liberal Democrat in social policy as one can get as well as being anti-war and anti-military/anti-defense in general. Anyone not notice the LIB in Libertarian?

Now we have some liberal heroes here that are trying to say Obama's record is great. Let's look at that:

More people on government assistance like food stamps today than when Obama took office.
More people in "poverty" today than when Obama took office.

More people in long term unemployment today than when Obama took office.
Gas prices up 45% since Obama took office (remember when that was always Bush's fault?).

Food prices up 15-25% since Obama took office (and going higher).
Energy prices/power bills up 10-15% since Obama took office (killing coal makes us all pay, poor and rich alike).

JP Morgan has readjusted Q2 2012 GDP growth down from 1.7% to 1.4% and Q3 to 1.5% with 2012 on a whole forecast to be at 1.7% (Reagan oversaw an average 5.7% GDP growth over 12 quarters after the Carter disaster).

There are 2.2 million fewer jobs than when Obama took office, PERMANENTLY (and Obama's jobs council has been MIA for half a month - laser like focus, eh (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78637.html)?

An $843 billion dollar "stimulus" bill signed in 2009 by Obama and promised by Democrats such as Joe Biden to keep unemployment from going above 8% and by Obama himself to create millions of "shovel ready" and "Green energy" jobs that never materialized (for you Obama voters, that's roughly the same amount of money spent in Iraq - that DEMOCRATS voted for - since 2003).

The Obama administration distributed $9 billion in economic "stimulus" funds to solar and wind projects in 2009-11 that created, as the end result, 910 "direct" jobs -- annual operation and maintenance positions -- meaning that it cost about $9.8 million to establish each of those long-term jobs. That's government creating jobs, folks, that Democrats tell us works!

Obama's latest idiotic gaffe off the teleprompter stating that business owners on their businesses "didn't really create that, someone else did it" has set a firestorm off with entrepreneurs. And the liberal Democrats (and the liberal main stream media doing the Democrat/liberal/Obama water carrying). And then mindlessly backpedaling and attempting to state that he meant roads, bridges, firefighters, and the usual straw man of government that liberals regurgitate is a failed desperate measure at damage control. Yeah well I guess if my parents didn't have SEX then I wouldn't have created my business either! Idiots. America got a real look into the Obama mind with that, and America will respond in November.

Enjoy the rest of your Saturday filled with hate, liberals!

BUSH AND REPUBS FORCE MILLIONS TO GO ON FOOD STAMPS BECAUSE THE GREEDY RICH CRASHED THE ECONOMY. REPUBS VOTE AGAINST AMERICANS TO KEEP MANY ON FOOD STAMPS.

7-19-12 Romney's repubs just blocked the bill that would end getting tax breaks for companies taking American jobs overseas. In effect, repubs continued giving Bain more tax payer money, which then is paid to Romney.

You the tax payer just gave away tax money to Romney. While at the same time paying for Americans to lose more jobs that will continue going over seas.

Romney the tax dodger makes you pay the taxes he won't pay. Republicans vote against American jobs. Repubs voted against helping America get back our jobs from overseas.

Vote Obama/Bide 2012 Bring the jobs back to America and make Romney pay his taxes.

I see Tony 'dog eating' Beerm crawled out from under his rock to spew more lies and tepid support for the guy in the oval office, who coincidentally is also a dog eater, just not the 'kind' Tony is, lol....

Can't wait to see the Food Stamp President sent packing back to his neighborhood! It truly amazes me that the wacko left fails to recognize Barry's ultra socialist agenda.... it's a welfare state he wants and a super sized government controlling all of our lives...!

Like someone else commented.... I wish the Republicans would grow a pair and fight back the lies of Barry World!

The people saying it's Obama's fault for not ending the wars fast enough are the exact same people who supported Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq.

Hey Buddy Russell,

Put down the bible...and put on a shirt.

LOL, it would be even better if buddy russel managed to get a brain .

gotta love these "obama is the devil" knuckle-dragging, slobbering, morons that don't have the brains to pour pi$$ from a boot even when the instructions are printed on the heel.

mguy-478

Typical of Republicans.

Classy as always.

But what do you expect... they are Republicans. Is anyone surprised by this?

I don't know what kind of prize to get you since your reading ability is very limited. You didn't even read the article I would guess since you didn't even get it right who put up the sign..........I know what sign you would get. I also disagree with the message.

It's the work of supporters of the late Ralph Smeed, for many years a lightning-rod activist for libertarian causes in Idaho, The Idaho Statesman of Boise reported

Flex.....Soldiers still in Afghanistan because Bush pulled out all the extra resources he put there to capture Bin Laden. You know the guy that Bush let get away. The guy Bush was no longer thinking about or worried about? Yeah, that guy that President Obama and U.S. soldiers killed. Yep Bush pulled out all the support put in Afghanistan to attack Iraq with the lie to the nation war he planned. Pulled out supplies, troops and stranded them in Afghanistan to fend for themselves making that country worse. As Usual, the dems and Obama are cleaning up the mess and making a safe exit in the future. Another republican blunder being cleaned up again. Another war unfunded by republicans.

No matter what the nation still loves your potatoes!

Obama/Biden 2012

More republican leadership examples. Romney hires 17 of 24 of his advisers from Bush Cheney team of destruction. Why would the nation want to go through that all over again?

The night Hurricane Katrina hit shore, with all those people dying and losing their homes and everything they owned, pres. Bush went to John McCain's birthday party. Bush gave his most important speech of his life, it went,"Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday to you, Happy birthday dear Johnnie, Happy birthday to you! Oh boy cake and ice cream!"

People like this place their own selfish desire to make a point above the tragedy that others experience -he's not thinking of the people in colorado, he is thinking of himself.

These have to be some of the dumbest posts I've come across yet. The people behind the billboard are extreme libertarian. I would put them closer to anarchist and not even near Nazi, in fact the exact opposite. Wow and you wonder why you can't win debates. Not too many conservatives or democrats for that matter against the war in Afghanistan. Deep breaths people, deep breaths

I wish people would stop with the right wing/left wing/Republican/Democrat crap already.
Pointing fingers at the "other side" is so juvenile.
The issue here is that people can put up such a disgusting billboard and others actually defend it as "free speech".
We have no boundaries any more.

And exactly how many people have been killed in Iraq under the foreign policy of the Bush Administration, American lives and innocent Iraqi civilians in a "war" invasion based upon an entire contrived presumption by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld? Oh....I guess Bush wins. starsailing - you're right. Our nations President sat in front of a television set and watched 'his' American people die in our own country, then went off to celebrate a birthday party and call the Sec. of State on vacation the next morning in New York to ask "what she thought the administration should do". Don't know what Ms. Rice's advice was...but history shows us they did nothing at that point, while our nation was losing a City.

Freedom of speech is one thing....but stupid will always be stupid. And the freedom the constitution guarantees each of us, the right to say, print, and express even the most ridiculous or malicious things doesn't make it truth, fact, or tolerable.

Wow...this might be in bad taste....but it is TRUE!

BOTH,....the left and right are WRONG! We are killing many people...so this billboard is not wrong....just controversial!

It's always been said, every president has to have his war, and after all, warring is mass murder. How many were murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan? How many of our young kids died in these wars? How many children and young people die in car accidents every year. It would appear, the automobile is a rapacious assault weapon, but no one is assailing these weapons of murder.

Interesting how a lot of Californians who were sick of the financial kaos and plain wierdness of Cali flock to Idaho.

John DUH ,hide and watch ; )

For the record, I think the billboard is tacky and in bad taste. At the same time, I agree with the sentiment of the message. Obama promised to end these wars; instead, he sent more troops into Afghanistan and violated the Constitution with that NDAA bill. A few months ago, a Marine I know got his legs blown off by an IED in Afghanistan. The guy is only 26. So if anyone is expecting me to defend Obama's image here, it ain't gonna happen. I hope the Nobel Prize committee is soiling its collective pants right now. What an outrage.

PRES BUSH RELEASED HIS COLLEGE TRANSCRIPTS.

I have President Bush's college transcript here and it shows on one of his assignments numerous mispellings.

Example 1. Oh see the prety, prety balloons said, Judy. See the prety balloons fly away.

Example 2. Oh see Spot. See Spot run into the stret. See Spot chase the car in the stret.

Example 3. Oh sea Dick. Oh sea Jane. Oh sea the pet goat bite Judy.

Example 4. Oh see repubs line up Supreme court to steel the elections. The prety prety elections.

Lucky for repubs they knew how to rig elections to get Bush into office. Now they are trying to rig election for Romney again with voter suppression laws.

Vote Obama/Biden 2012

Guess there's no love lost between Idahoans and Obama...

Perhaps he'd do well in not campaigning there...

Hate is a strong word that people place on others. Most do not know the true meaning or have not really experienced it. They think they have.

As for Obama, the fool has had 3 and half years to improve this economy and all he is doing is moving the country to socialism. And the blame still goes to the past President. All he had to do was leave the economy alone and it would have improved. That is fact from the past. Instead he maintained the wars he "hated" and complained about, he tacked on trillions of debt and diluted the currency, and set up more social programs ... tell me, if the senior population is to outpace the new generations, who the hell is going to pay for all of this social horsecrap that fool put into law ... and did so with extreme partisanship ... something he campaigned against.

Alex cali...

Still missing the mark I see by going back to proposed budgets and attempting spin. You do realize that obamas signiture is on the 2009 ARRA don't you? That the American recovery and reinvestment act has been estimated at between $787 billion at its time of passage and maybe as much as $831 billion thru perhaps 2019. Somehow I think that the democrats have already blown thru that $800 billion because the assumptions they used never did come to pass.

Since we are still running a deficit, perhaps you can explain to us where obama hid that money to be used thru 2019? Is it invested in equities? US treasuries? His buds? Where?

The bottom line is that what the Department of treasury says is our national debt at the end of each FY is part of the debt for that administration with adjustments required for exogenous events occurring in the FY's when the administration ends and a different administration starts.

If you want to keep trying to use smoke and mirrors to sell your dope our national debt numbers will continue to expose you for who you really are, someone who can't cut to the chase and connect the dots.

Starsailor...

So where are the sources that your referenced author used in his hindsite is 20/20 analysis?

I recall the events where saddam actually used WMD's and where his state sponsered rhetoric implied that he would use them again in an attempt to extort his neighbors or prevent any international actions against him.

If you so desire to rail against bush2 for supposed lies then I can hardly wait until you start railing on all of obama's lies as well. After all, hindsight is always 20/20 and obama has his share of what you call lies.

What an offensive and insensitive thing to put up in public...soo disrespectful to those who lost their lives and their loved ones that were left behind at the hands of a madman...the part talking about them needs to be taken down immediatley. Obamas horrible record stands alone. He has had 4 years to bring some improvement to the country that you Bush haters say was being ruined by his rule. But what has your boy done? Tripled our debt! Disrespected ALL Americans at every chance he had! (Yes that includes you liberals too) I mean geesh if he and Michelle hate America so much why dont they move to another country where they can create the socialist govt they desire?? And seriously...the statement about the Afghan war was Bush's is just dumb...again..your boy has had 4 years to being them home and end the war...but of course he wouldnt do that..he loves seeing America struggle...so in all reality I think that is what the sign maker was trying to convey...Holmes and Obama want to hurt and destroy America any way possible...and YES WE ALL SHOULD BE FREAKED OUT !!

Idaho is wasteland..My potatoes come from Minnesota

I'm so upset over a poster like that. It's not even worth my brilliant energy to reply. All I will say is MSNBC needs to have a button to push to open up all the comments which were "collapsed by the community" at the same time. The "collapsed by the community" means that MSNBC's management didn't like it. What? Do they think we are stupid to believe that their own conservative politicial beliefs do not influence the comments they collapse and "hush up?" I went through hundreds of posts which were collapsed and only about 10% are offensive enough to be collapsed even though I wouldn't collapse them anyway. I'm about two more articles from stopping from commenting and supporting them because of MSNBC. They suck and the worst thing to do is to censor appropriate and necessary comments because you just don't like them. You are a re"pig"lican and "con"servative. Here piggy piggy piggy pig. You are a piggy piggy piggy pig. I hate the pigs in this world. All they do is snort and try to eat whatever they can. They are annoying and absolutely disgusting. They make me sick and want to vomit. They will probably even censor this post. I don't even care at this point. Just for me to write all this stuff down and press "post comment" is cathartic enough for me. I don't need any validation from anyone that I am a genius and that the re"pig"licans are just a bunch of liers and haters who deserve to be in Russia or China for their commie ways. All the repiglicans want is for our government to control every aspect of our lives and to take away our basic rights. They are absolute fascist hypocrites. They say they want to help but are too stupid to know that they just screw everything up. I think that is the definition of a Jerk. Yes, repiglicans are jerks. Pure and simple. Besides using the words idiot, moron, lier, hyposcrite, low life, racist, sexist, ageist, prejudist, hater, dumb, irresponsible, all the swear words you can think of, and scrotum, repiglicans are the virus of this nation. We are infected. We need some repiglican spray to oust the commies and connies ("con"servative).

Does anyone else know of a forum of articles which allows readers to comment like this? I think I want to stop supporting MSNBC. They are a horrible agency and need better management to handle the controversy like these topics bring up. They just don't know how to deal with the debates and the arguing (because the pigs don't debate, they argue without evidence and proof of their argument).

P.S. do you remember "W"orst ever. That is because repiglicans have evolved over the years into people like Palin, Romney, and Bush (all of them). If I was a pig, I would be very upset at the people who are leading my party. Those are horrible and awful people. Are you kidding me? They are just pure hatred and evil. We were living in hell when a pig is president. I just hate that it takes 8 years for a democratic president and government to fix what the pigs messed up. What a waste of money and time? Your pigs are totally unqualified to be president and even a member of congress. Good thing a politician does not have to pass a psychological test. All they have to do is get the support of the current idiots who support the pigs and then try to brainwash the others.

I love America. I think I could do a great job as President. First line of business, get rid of the repiglican party. Nothing else will matter until that is accomplished. Second, get rid of all the "con"servatives in the government. It will be like living in heaven. You know you are smiling when you can think about a time that no pigs can serve in politics and government in the US. 90% of what comes out of them is lies anyway. We don't know what to believe from them because they are so secretive, especially about their money, which usually comes from illegal and awful operations and companies and other evil ways. No wonder they are so quiet about where their money comes from. It shows really what they believe in. You cannot be a good and great president of the US and make your money and career from other countries, drugs, and terrorism. We will finally be able to get things done and accomplish things instead of the pigs with the negative attitudes. Really, what are the pigs good for? All they do is slow down and stop our process from fixing our problems and dealing with our problems.

Oh my LORD...Maurice Clements, a former Idaho lawmaker who now keeps Smeed's tradition alive, told the Statesman: "We're all outraged over that killing in Aurora, Colo., but we're not outraged over the boys killed in Afghanistan." HEY MAURICE...JUST WHO IN THE HELL DO YOU THINK PUT THEM THERE? I'm not sure what's scarier, the fact that people are this disgustingly hateful, or the fact that they are allowed to vote!

It is just such behavior that makes us an embarrassment to the world, should cause a great unrest with Candidate Romney and he should demand it be taken down condemn that way of thinking--but he will likely just say "I did not do that, I am unaware of who did and therefore I see no reason why I should take any action at all"............yup, that will likely he his take on things.......real Presidential.

Republicans are really paranoid................and naive.........and truly do believe every word that comes out of republican mouths---whether it is true or not is irrelevant to them...guess they are too lazy to look up and see what the truth is. Or, maybe they just can't come to grips with the fact that their own party really is apathetic to the 98% and really does want all the 98% work themselves to death and gain nothing so the rich and richer can get rich and richer..........some folks really can't deal with reality.

Not to worry.......the democrats are here to save the day...and we include republicans in that scenario, where as republicans would likely wish all democrats a painful demise. Sad really.........we are all in this together but only half of us realize it.

The reason the left is so upset is that the statement ithe billboard makes is spot on. It doesn't compare Obama to the shooter. It contrasts the way the left is reacting to the actions of those two. Hey lefties: IF THE SHOE FITS......

Zathrose

The reason the left is so upset is that the statement ithe billboard makes is spot on. Hey Barak: If the shoe fits.....

Sorry to burst your little radical bubble, but a lot more than just the left are upset with this disgusting billboard. Anyone with half a brain and a conscience know it is WAY BEYOND tactless.

Candidate Romney and he should demand it be taken down condemn

Is Romney Caesar? FYI Romney supports the war in Afghanistan. These people aren't voting for Romney, get a clue. They will be voting for Gary Johnson. He is best known for his support for the legalization of marijuana and the end of the so-called war on drugs. He supports same-sex marriage, an immediate end to the war in Afghanistan, and proposes slashing the federal budget by 43% to eliminate deficit spending. You know your basic Libertarian stuff, doesn't sound to right wing too me.

Maurice Clements, a former Idaho lawmaker who now keeps Smeed's tradition alive, told the Statesman: "We're all outraged over that killing in Aurora, Colo., but we're not outraged over the boys killed in Afghanistan."

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Typical Republican hypocritical amnesia and fake bravado:

It was Bu@!$%# who put the troops into Afghanistan, which war President Obama inherited.

("Insensitive"? Right: offend US murder victims in order to not-offend US troops. Is this the "prominent conservative" who blamed the Aurora murder victims for not taking Holmes down, despite the all-body protective gear?)

But no mention of the fact that Bu@!$%# also illegally invaded and occupied the sovereign nation of Iraq, based upon known lies, and there not only lowered the US to the moral level of Saddam "Torturer-in-Chief" Hussein, in violation of international and US law, but also killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and maimed and killed tens of thousands of US troops. 'Course, being Republican/"Libertarian," the Iraqis don't matter (neither, of course, do the Aurora victims) because insufficiently white.

Chalk it up to the fact that Republicans/"Libertarians" never serve in uniform, because too busy starting unnecessary wars and sending others to fight and die in them.

It's amazing the lack of moral awareness and insight of these wingnut moral-highgrounders: hate is immoral, even as the first person damaged by it is the hater.

This shouldn't hurt President Obama in re-election; but Mitt "Expert-on-Olympics-at-Taxpayer-Expense" Rmoney, when asked about it, will flip-flop until he finds something meaningless and non-commital that doesn't offend his extremist "base" of politically retarded racist anti-American teadupes.

Zathrose

The reason the left is so upset is that the statement ithe billboard makes is spot on. It doesn't compare Obama to the shooter. It contrasts the way the left is reacting to the actions of those two. Hey lefties: IF THE SHOE FITS......

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While you and your fellow anti-American gun industry dupes defend Holmes' gun "rights" because his gun "rights" are more important than the lives of those he murdered.

Grow up: name-calling -- which is all you have -- is not argument. Your moral depravity is not morality. And your stupidity is not intelligent.

Is Romney Caesar? FYI Romney supports the war in Afghanistan. These people aren't voting for Romney, get a clue. They will be voting for Gary Johnson. He is best known for his support for the legalization of marijuana and the end of the so-called war on drugs. He supports same-sex marriage, an immediate end to the war in Afghanistan, and proposes slashing the federal budget by 43% to eliminate deficit spending. You know your basic Libertarian stuff, doesn't sound to right wing too me.

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Typical political vacuity from the extreme right lunatic fringe. Here's a clue, for free:

Extreme right wing lunatic fringers -- which includes "Libertarians" -- accuse the "left" and "liberals" of being FOR "Big Gov't". They do so because the extreme right lunatic fringe is OPPOSED to gov't OF ANY KIND.

It was the "fiscal conservative" Alexander Hamilton who established our debt-credit (debt-borrowing) economic system, and the first national bank. That is the system you political illiterates rail against with the penultimate history and economic illiteraccy.

He too opposed democracy, viewing the elected president as mere impediment to his totalitarian intents.

Put down the methacocajuana pipe, sober up, and get an education about the reality outside the cloud of blinders in which you hide from reason and reality.

mguy-478

Typical of Republicans.

Classy as always.

But what do you expect... they are Republicans. Is anyone surprised by this?

This wasn't the repubs, it is the work of the libertarians. Sheesh, such a short article yet so many managed to gloss over that one small fact.

Third paragraph...

It's the work of supporters of the late Ralph Smeed, for many years a lightning-rod activist for libertarian causes in Idaho, The Idaho Statesman of Boise reported.

The sickos on the right should know that many of us have been waiting or a billboard for the Mass butcher who has cost America 7,500 young men and women in two wars that have been failures that he started. gw bushwhacker. and Prick cheney

J N, You are a loony!

american-2051576

Starsailor...

So where are the sources that your referenced author used in his hindsite is 20/20 analysis?

I recall the events where saddam actually used WMD's . . . .

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The honest remember the WHOLE fact:

1. When Saddam Hussein ALLEGEDLY "gassed his own people"*, the president was Pappy Bu@!$%#, who said not a word against it, and did nothing about it.

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*Saddam Hussein was a Sunni. Those against whom he allegedly used WMDs were Kurds and or Iranians, who were NOT "his own people". Sunnis and Kurds (and Iranians) are different tribes.

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2. The WMDs were given saddam Hussein by Reagan, who first removed Iraq from the US's "Rogue Terrorist State" list so it would be "legal" to do so.**

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**I recall my favorite TeeVee moment of all time, when President Reagan, wearing his suit jacket, looked away from his teleprompter, directly into the camera, waggled his finger, and declared:

"I never had sex with those Iranian terrorists to whom I illegally gave the Stinger missiles in violation of the Trading with the Enemy Act."

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3. IF Hussein "gassed his own people," it was in response to the rising up of the Shi'a against Hussein, which Pappy Bu@!$%# suggested and encouraged, and to whom he promised backing. When they rose up, Pappy Bu@!$%# was a no-show, Saddam Hussein acted in defense of his gov't, and thus resulted the mass graves -- which mass graves would not have existed had Bu@!$%# either kept his word, or kept his mouth shut.

4. Beginning with President Clinton, the UN inspectors, including US Marine Scott Ritter, were on the ground in Iraq for eight years by the time G. DUI Bu@!$%# made his knowingly-false WMD allegations against Saddam Hussein. During those eight years, the inspectors located and destroyed alll existing WMDs.

And we all recall what happened next:

1. Bu@!$%# falsely claimed that Hussein wouldn't let the inspectors into Iraq -- in fact, they were in Iraq, on the ground, and had been for eight years; then,

2. Bu@!$%# told the inspectors to get out of Iraq because "the bombs are gonna fall"; then,

3. Bu@!$%# accused Hussein of throwing the inspectors out.

If the truth shall set one free, and the US is about freedom, then it is imperative that we tell the truth to and about ourselves. Those who falsify the history are liars who encourage and support tyranny, which always stands on chains of lies.

Kai.

mguy-478

Typical of Republicans.

Classy as always.

But what do you expect... they are Republicans. Is anyone surprised by this?

This wasn't the repubs, it is the work of the libertarians.

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The only difference between "Republican" and "Libertarian" are the spellings of the words.

BOTH are about eliminating regulation of Wall St. so that the massive theft from the treasury is made "legal".

BOTH are about eliminating taxes on the wealthy, based upon the transparent lie that they are "job creators".

BOTH comprise the far-right lunatic fringe.

clwyd-2621393

J N, You are a loony!

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Name-calling isn't argument; it is the universal language of the stoopid.

The far-right lunatic fringe is a legitmate political label, established in long tradition by far-right lunatic fringers who are two things:

1. Lunatic, and,

2. Fringe.

JNagarya, President Obama's foreign policy is almost identical to Bu@!$%#. What is your not so clever derogatory name for Obama? You are the least informed person I have encountered on the vine to date. Your absolute claim that Republicans want same sex marriage and to legalize drugs is very unique. You are so incoherent it is hard to tell where you stand. I'm sure you despise successful people for your own failure.

War crimes perpetrators are obviously the most awful and hurtful especially for profiteering reason to benefits a few.This stupid war they're raging,by using the fear worst and by lying to its citizen and the world society, it seems that,this war crimes really trickle down, becoming the hate crimes, across the states are the worst kinds of crimes.

This is because hate crimes seem to say much about its citizens and hate crimes attack the moral fiber of mankind. Hate crimes are not random in my opinion because the reasons that people who perpetrate hate crimes seem to seek out a particular group of persons to attack.This is what we see again in Idaho.

Well JNagarya, if you're an example of what the left represents I'll have to say no thanks. So I think I would be correct in assessing you as "far left lunatic fringe," would I not? I find it somewhat laughable that you find "far-right lunatic fringe," a legitimate political label, so I'm sure that you can take no offense to my labeling you as also being in the lunatic category.

Patrick, I would have to agree that JN is very uninformed.

american-2051576

Alex cali...

Still missing the mark I see by going back to proposed budgets and attempting spin. You do realize that obamas signiture is on the 2009 ARRA don't you? That the American recovery and reinvestment act has been estimated at between $787 billion at its time of passage and maybe as much as $831 billion thru perhaps 2019. Somehow I think that the democrats have already blown thru that $800 billion because the assumptions they used never did come to pass.

Since we are still running a deficit, perhaps you can explain to us where obama hid that money to be used thru 2019? Is it invested in equities? US treasuries? His buds? Where?

The bottom line is that what the Department of treasury says is our national debt at the end of each FY is part of the debt for that administration with adjustments required for exogenous events occurring in the FY's when the administration ends and a different administration starts.

If you want to keep trying to use smoke and mirrors to sell your dope our national debt numbers will continue to expose you for who you really are, someone who can't cut to the chase and connect the dots.

What im saying in regard to the 2009 ARRA is that in the 2009 Bush budget Obama only added 187 for ARRA nothing else. So that means that Bush had a spending of 3.330 trillion dollars for 2009 and Obama added 187 billion for ARRA. Thats all!!!

Ok Obama has turned in a budget for 2010, 2011, and 2012. We get the 2013 budget in October.

Are you going to tell me that now because you republicans say it its so..... Obama will have 5 budgets in hes first term?? Huh!! does the constitution allow that?

We know Bush requested 3.1 trillion right???

Did he add the war spending in there for that years budget or was it going to go directly to the debt?

The problem is that the supplemental appropriations process has been extended beyond unforeseen emergencies to entirely foreseeable (and foreseen) non-emergencies. Over the past several years, the most obvious example has been funding for the Iraq War, most of which has been funded, directly or indirectly, “off budget,” as the process is sometimes referred to. It has also been accomplished without offsets.

Why has this been the case? The major reason is that it obscures the amount of federal spending generally and for specific purposes, if it is the desire of any administration to do so. Supplemental appropriations spending does not appear in the annual accounting of federal spending versus revenue collections, meaning it is not calculated into the federal deficit for any given year. The money is spent just like regular budgetary allocations, but when the books are closed, it does not appear as an inflationary impact on federal deficits. This alone made it a particularly attractive device for a Bush administration that was running up record deficits without the impact of supplementals. It also made the cost of the Iraq War and defense spending generally appear much more modest than it in fact was. Moreover, the Bush administration generally provided no offsetting reductions to moderate the impact. Finally, supplementals generally receive nowhere near the public scrutiny of the regular budget, making them an attractive device for in effect hiding potentially controversial expenditures of public funds. Iraq certainly qualifies in that regard.

It does not have to be included Bush made sure of that.

The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have been funded through emergency spending requests since they began.

"Somehow" Yeah right!! now you are going to speculate on how the money is being spent? Thats why Obama setup the American recovery website you should maybe read it a little. instead of "somehow"

There are no smoke and mirrors its simple math. The only reason you guys are desperately trying to pin the 2009 budget on Obama is because it makes him look like a big spender. You have people on here who claim that Bush left a 400 billion deficit and that as soon as Obama came in the deficit jumped to 1.4 trillion. You people are wrong. The only reason i bring ARRA into this is because many people like you think that Obama spent the full amount of ARRA in 2009 and that's why he added an extra 1 trillion dollars to the deficit.

The biggest reason the deficit went so high in 2009 is because in 2008 the total inlays for that year were estimated at around 2.7 trillion and it was 2.1 trillion a total of more than 600 billion dollars lost in revenue.

600 billion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DUDE, i could go on and on with this i got many more links and facts that will prove to you why we have all this debt and deficits so high. And they all prove what BUSH did to our country.

And now you guys want to get Romney in there and use the Ryan Plan as hes way to fix our economic problems. How old are you? are you sure you want the Ryan plan? There are many ways to fix our debt and the Ryan plan aint one of them.

Looks like I hit a lefty nerve!!!! And their knickers are all in a twist....ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Moonwolf99 said:

I lived in Idaho for my first 27 years and I can tell you that there's a reason why I left that state! "Democrat" was considered a 4-letter word there. There were very, very few people who were not republican. If you spoke out in support of any Democrat or progressive cause, you were attacked and ridiculed.

And I feel the same way about California. I've lived here all my life and am leaving this year because "Conservative" is considered a 4-letter word here! The progressive libbie Democrats are and have ruined this state. I will no longer participate with my money in a state that's agenda is being a welfare, lawless, and sanctuary state.

I'd take beautiful Idaho over the cesspool California has become any day!

Goodbye..we won't miss you! One less car on the freeway :) You have fun in the ole tater state. I'll be at the beach, or perhaps hiking in Malibu, or visiting the Getty Art Museum, or maybe going to one of the many beautiful lakes in this gorgeous state. All my windows are open right now, free air conditioning. Have fun in the midwest where they're having the worst drought in decades and people are having their A/C go out. We environmentalist, tree-hugging, granola-eating hippies will be happy to see a hater like you leave. You are no "Hopeful American" you are a "Hateful American".

American.......You cannot comprehend the above post reference I gave you. That explains your nonsensical whines. Here you go again.......DO.....YOU...need ...GLASSES? IF NOT>>>YOU ARE ONCE AGAIN either a liar or unable to comprehend facts posted. Here is a snippet on the murderer admitting there was no WMD from my post above.

As a microcosm example of at least 935 lies cataloged by the exhaustive study, Vice President Dick Cheney declared on August 26, 2002 that "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." Bush's patently false proclamation, made on May 29, 2003, "We have found the weapons of mass destruction," has now been completed discredited. Of course, no weapons of mass destruction were ever found and George Bush, on NBC's Meet the Press in 2004 conceded, "No weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq."

Bad taste? Maybe, but the left has been slinging mud, name calling, disrespect and lies for years. Frankly, I'm glad to see someone on the right step up and give some of it back. Funny how they whine and cry when their tactics are turned around on them. Beside, it's the truth. How many more nations will collapse into civil war because of Obama's legitimizing of the Muslim Brotherhood.

The chemical weapons were in Iraq. They were used against the Iranians and the Kurds. Some of you people should turn off CNN and pay some attention to history. Maybe they were sent to Syria before the war. Lo and behold, Syria has a stockpile of chemical weapons it is threatening the rebels with.

Yeah yeah there is strange resemblance between these two—maybe it's the ears..

"BigAtLasVegas" I knew it. it didn't take long for Lib to blame Conservitives for this. Put down your hate and learn to read. It said it was put up by Libertarians.

WOW...there is so much hate in this forum.

It doesn't matter what poliitical party you are...it doesn't matter who you want to vote for. That billboard was in very bad taste, and some of the cmments on here are just as bad.

I wonder how many of those on here who are bitching and calling each other those clever names actually vote?

WTF, NBC?????????? Is this "innovative" set-up to place accountability for the VIOLATION of 1st Amendment RIGHTS to "COLLAPSE" comments and blame it on "the Community" the last of the dregs to still be removed along with the MS in front of your call letters? (affront to your call letters?) THIS IS DISGRACEFUL to Journalism, coming on the heels of a FREE SPEECH story, NO? (not very informative, either, BTW). But, what the hell....... (Je-sum, gotta FLY! rushing, lost track of whether I gave a vote to everyone listed! Got to get to a COMMUNITY lunch for the first time in months!!!)

Mac Forrester, #1.87- Long-long-long time! Gave you a vote. YOU KNOW IT!!!!

LMarcT, #1.106- Long time, AGAIN. Definately a vote for that one!!! EXCELLENT!!!! YOU DESERVE A "POSTING" AWARD FOR THAT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!

James-1330058, #1.37 EXCELLENT!!!!! LLLLLLLMMMMAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOO!!!! (surprised you weren't collapsed)

JimSpence, #1.49- EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!! Social and Economic Justice = Wide World of Sports????

Fishinfool555, #1.50- EXCELLENT points!!!!!!!! VERY INTERESTING!!!!!!!!

plain bob, #1.52- EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!! and

Zen Love, #1.148- llllllllllmmmmmmmmmFFFFFFFFaaaaaaaooooooooooo!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!! How many know that "Genius" is nothing more than tapping a Mentality??? (OR NOT)

bluepanther20 asks,

I wonder how many of those on here who are bitching and calling each other those clever names actually vote?

Hopefully, none.

Fishinfool555, #1.50- additionally, I saw another interesting post the other day on the subject of Demonstrators (Protesters) in Anaheim, CA having thrown a chair or something through a Starbucks window that posited the theory that many there are now "Plants" in these Demonstating Gatherings that are put there (purposefully) to incite and start something like that so the "POLICE ALMIGHTY" can move in with their "RIOT" gear....etc. Very similar posit to your post, don't you think?

Marchant, I lived in Coeur D'Alene and there are a lot of good people there,stop generalizing BTW the Aryan Nation is in Post Falls not Coeur D'Alene and are not welcomed

A friend of mine brought up a good point the other night. As he said, "We in this country are outraged when we read about a mother or father who kills their children, but when we bomb a city overseas and it kills a group of children, we call it patriotic and hold parades for it and profess how great this country is". Can it get any more pathetic than that? Not really! That is called brainwashing. Our government tells us how justified we are to go over seas to fight terrorism, but, you have to ask yourself, isn't it one thing to kill those who ARE terrorists, and another thing to kill those who ARE innocent? We see ourselves as the policemen of the world, but, we have to stop and think of one thing, when our policemen here kills someone innocent, we are outraged about it, but when our policemen kills someone innocent over in another country, where is that same outrage? And when those who ARE innocent over there get pissed at us for killing innocent people there, we think of them as being hateful towards us, as though they don't have any right to question our motives. But then again, when someone brings up these facts, they are brow beaten, and told if they don't like it, leave the country. Well, it works both ways, some may have the right to voice that opinion about wanting others to leave, in the same regard, those people they want to leave has every right to stay and voice their opinion also. Why the double standard folks? Ask yourselves that question. Also, ask yourselves why it's not ok for one political party to question our governments actions and motives when they are not the controlling party, and then when it's the other way around, it's quite ok to question the government? Again, it's called a double standard folks.

Starsailing are you really going to bring up tax evasion? I believe the Liberals own that, right on down to head of IRS Tax cheat Geitner

Correction to my post 1.178, sorry folks in Post Falls I meant Hayden Lake

"Many a man stumbles across the truth, then picks himself up and hurries on as though nothing had happened.” -- Winston Churchill

Freedom of Speech doesn't come to a screeching halt just because twelve people died in a mass shooting.

Oh my God, a valid and reasonable statement! Run fast, they will be looking for you.

It may be in poor taste and offensive, but it is still protected; for how long remains to be seen.

Looks like I hit a lefty nerve!!!! And their knickers are all in a twist....ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

funny how outright lies trigger a strong reaction, isn't it?

Wow, the censor cops have gone too far collapsing way too many posts. Did someone wake up on the wrong side of life this morning? and this is only the rebuttal to the first post. I wonder what is in-store...

There, I censored my own verbal assault of free speech.

S&W, the collapses are triggered by enough readers clicking on the "inflammatory" or "no value" button brought up by the exclamation point on the bottom right. if enough get tripped, the comment collapses and the moderators usually come by to take a look at the comment to see if it actually violates the COH rules.

you will then see some comments show up as "restored" a few disappear completely, and offending posters suspended or banned.

That's their tradition. Nazis, white supremacists, survivalists, skinheads seem attracted to Idaho like ticks to a hound dog in tall weeds.

I am far to the left of Obama. The billboard is not wrong. I'd hope that if the Cheney / Bush regime was still in place, it would have featured them.

Time to bring the troops home and rebuild Amerika.

To quote this article:

"Asked about the reaction to his billboard, Clements acknowledged: "That's a technique of trying to make a point, and maybe it was poorly done."

That seems to be the continual pattern of the Republicans nowadays. They simply have no concept of doing something constructively with their ideas, money, leadership, etc. , etc.

@Joyce Otway 58 thousand killed in Vietnam thanks to JFK.

I have a question...especially for Whistleberries and starsailing:

Why is it when someone says anything against President Obama that you both INSTANTLY scream racism? Why is someone who disagrees with his policies a racist or someone who hates someone of color or someone who is a moron because they are prejudiced? Is that all you have to fall back on in an argument? Because quite frankly, it shows you lacking. i do not agree with many of his policies in the way they are presented- it doesn't make me a racist or a Republican. I didn't agree with all of President Bush's policies either-it didn't make me a Democrat or anti-white. If that is all you can say- and you say it a lot- then you obviously are only voting for one reason- the color of the President's skin. That makes you, in my opinion, just as much a racist.

I cannot fathom how any of the people on these boards- both Republicans and Democrats-can have healthy friendships in their personal lives away fom the computer screen if you truly say the same things in real life that you so bravely say on these boards. I think that many of you are truly meek in person and the computer makes you brave enough to spout your mouth off without being called out in person.

David 2319136 As a Libertarian, I did not like Bush/Cheney any more than we like Obama. YOU ARE RIGHT!! I knew Ralph Smeed. He believed Less government, No troops overseas getting killed. Less Taxes, More freedom. We have been trying to get the message across BRING THE TROOPS HOME. Hopefully the Administration will now listen. I doubt it though! They do have their agenda!!!!!!!

Romney and repubs have no plan...except to take the economy down as they pledged.

The first economic plan from the republicans ...was to blow up the economy so president Obama would not have a second term. Newt said it was the first seed sown for the 2012 election. 14-15 republicans secretly met the day after Obama took office to pledge to vote against every bill that would help the economy recover. They pledged this saying they wanted him to be a one term president. They pledged to take the economy down just to destroy the presidents plans for recovery. Bin Laden wrote down the same plan and executed 911 to take the economy down to destroy the nation. These repubs, Ryan, Cantor, DeMint, and Gingrich pledged to act like the Taliban, to act like the insurgents do,(their own actual words) to prevent President Obama from a second term. Acting like the supreme terrorist of all time Bin Laden. Traitors. Deliberately sabotaging the recovery. Ref Richard draper new book.

Ryan repub Plan...Kills social security and medicare. Repubs want to destroy the Post Office and privatize that also.......Take down America and give more tax breaks to the rich 1%. Romney for a worse tomorrow today!.

Vote President Obama/Biden 2012

After reading all these comments and reading about the billboard i no longer wonder WHY american is at the bottom of the list of countries in the world for almost everything except for CRAZY....................sigh........

Elaine: A country that is in decline is a country that strives for the lowest common denominator.

Ooops. Used a math term which no one understands anymore. How about, "lowest comment thing". Damn! That won't work either because of the double entente. Rats! I used a French colloquialism. Shoot. I just used a term with more than 2 syllables.

How about: We don't know @!$%# anymore.

Yes, that should be about right for this country.

I agree, time to bring the troops home. ..... should have happened 5 years ago. However, it was necessary when Bush sent them. Otherwise, attacks within America would have continued. that is the job of the military, to protect the people at home but going after the threat.

We can all debate this but fact is Obama had 3 1/2 years to bring them home. Do not blame Bush for that lack of action on Obama's part.

However, it was necessary when Bush sent them.

It was necessary for Bush, Cheney and Halliburton to make billions off of the backs of the American people and to sink our country into the deepest recession it's been in since the Great Depression? There were no WMD's in Iraq. Bush lied about that, remember? Iraq was not involved with 9/11. Bush started a war with the wrong country! If that doesn't tell you that there was more going on than meets the eye, I don't know what can. For anyone who buys everything Bush told them hook, line and sinker - I've got some great land in Florida to sell you.

Obama has been trying to bring the troops home throughout his presidency. My feeling is that Bush and buddies signed a 10- to 12-year contract with Halliburton, et.al., that made it impossible to pull out of the war right away like Obama wanted to. I don't know if people remember but, at the beginning of his bid for presidency, Obama talked about how he wanted to bring the troops home ASAP. Then, he had a closed door meeting with Bush and came out of that meeting changing his tune a little bit, saying that we would pull the troops out as soon as we could. Not to sound as paranoid as that Buddy dude, but my feeling is that he learned about some sort of contract in that meeting. So, yes, I do blame Bush for this. I blame Bush for getting us into this mess in the first place. And, no, I do not believe for one minute that it was *necessary* to start a war in Iraq.

CHZHEAD.....I see YOU are meek and hiding behind your computer. Try reading all the collapsed posts and see nothing but racists remarks throughout the posts. You just did the same thing you whined about.

I deal with facts not fox news talking points paid for by billionaires and millionaires like the rt wingers. Many people posting have not seen any of the facts I posted because they watch only fox news. These same people when confronted with facts cannot process the info because they are not used to facts. Once again I remind people to do search on...fox news dumber....see actual studies that prove people are dumber for watching fox news.

During the 2010 election teabaggers got away with being jerks with racist pictures, remarks, and actions while Dems continued to be polite and acting with calm and reason. Well to hell with that this time. Every time repubs or rt wingers lie, we now call them out on it asap. Obama bent over backwards trying to compromise with repubs who pledged to take the economy down to make him a one term president.

When YOU LIE, we will call you out on it. Get informed or get out of the way, this nation is going forward.

mike ritter deerhunt1

@Joyce Otway 58 thousand killed in Vietnam thanks to JFK.

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Another methacocajuana-smoking "Libertarian" history illiterate pops off.

The US was allied with France during and after WWII. France had colonized Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam at the turn of the century, renaming them "Indochina".

After WWII, the US, under Truman, continued to support France's war in Indochina, with money and military materiale, against those who actually belonged there, pushed into it by extreme right-wing REPUBLICAN lunatic fringers such as Joe McCarthy.

That continued under REPUBLICAN Eisenhower -- who was also called "Commie-ist" by extreme right-wing REPUBLICAN lunatic fringer Joe McCarthy.

When the French were blown out at Dien Bien Phu, the US began replacing France's military with the US military, the first being sent in by Eisenhower.

JFK inherited that history and military involvement, as would LBJ and Nixon.

Shut up until you learn the actual history, instead of taking ignorant pot-shots at a person not able to defend himself, and subjected to relentless extreme right-wing smear attacks since being assassinated.

@JNAGAARY, JFK sent the troops he did not have too .Him and the other fat cats kept the war going for money in their pockets. So you look it up ever one knows the whole family are crooks.

Ummmm mikeritter, Truman, Eisenhower, and Kennedy sent 'advisers' to assist the Southern Republic of Vietnam against Ho Chi Minh and the north in the late 1940s and throughout the 1950s and into the early 1960s. The US provided about 80% of the supplies the French were using in the war against Ho Chi Minh. Kennedy was going to call it all off when he was assassinated, then Johnson took over and escalated it on a huge scale till 1966, and 'Tricky' Dick started the downturn of the war. Gerald Ford ended the war due to him cutting off all aid to South Vietnam and pulling out the last of the troops in 1975. When DID President Kennedy die, now? 1963? Truman and the US freaked out after China fell to the communists in 1949. Suddenly, Vietnam was important to the Pacific region.

BTW, how about President Reagan's secret acts of war which sent troops into El Salvador as a guise to overthrow that government, how well did that debacle go, do YOU remember?

Mikey...I posted how Nixon blew up LBJ peace agreement to get elected in 1968 above. FACT! All Viet Nam deaths from that day forward to end of war is blood on the hands of NIXON. Reference LBJ tapes to repub Sen Dirksen. LBJ did not expose Nixon as there would have been riots from coast to coast. View transcripts on line.

JNagarya....Fattomdog......Great posts! Rt wingers just make up stuff as they go along. This blog can be a great learning tool for everyone, ...except with people who enjoying lying or not being able to process facts.

Mikeritter---58 thousand, I have seen the wall many times and hired many engineers from the vets, but you seem to forget that we killed over a million there, I would think all humans count the same--or are we thinking the same in Iraq with about one million killed by us for nothing (Bush), after taking down their government, no matter what it was.--Or was it really cheap oil that we are now finally getting from there??

The only defense you can muster for Obama is to scream Bush now thats what seems to be trendy. He did that all on his own by the way, there was no support from Americans?

@Starsailing.... Youre an idiot. Talk about people knowing their facts. Did YOU know that democrats have had control of the government since 2006? The last 2 years of the Bush presidency they had the majority vote in both the house and senate? Also did you know that this secret meeting republicans had as soon as Obama was elected to vote against everything would have made absolutely no difference whatsoever? Democrats had the executive branch the house and senate majority and idiots like you still post things stating that nothing has gotten better because republicans plotted to vote against everything Obama tried to do to repair the economy. Nevermond the fact that Obama himself has put not one bill on the board himself to repair the economy. The ONLY things Obama himself has inspired is items which cost money to an already bloated federal budget. You my friend are an idiot and the problem with this country. Not the solution.

That seems to be the continual pattern of the Republicans nowadays. They simply have no concept of doing something constructively with their ideas, money, leadership, etc. , etc.

The sign has nothing to do with Republicans, it is a Libertarian group who although agrees with some Republican issues such as less government, and less taxes, they also agree with Democrats on some issues like, gay marriage, and Bringing troops home now. If anything you would have to say this sign is an anti war sign which Republicans don't do. This is a classic Democrat talking pont from the Bush / Cheney years, most of you are just offended it is now being used against your guy.

The billboard comparison is just stupid. I agree with the person who labeled it pathetic. But I never understood the reasoning behind the support of President Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

Obama to visit Colorado residents affected by the shooting; in my opinion that is adding insult to injury!

plain and simple. Billboard is spot on.

If the shoe fits ......

it is funny how people always try to blame obama for every sigle thing( maybe it is easy to blame it on the back guy), from what i know it all started and it was way worst when G.W.BUSH was the president! It is very offensive to everybody, involved in both parties!

Gee, they need to get Bush and Cheney up on that billboard as the killers of thousands of innocent people in this country as war criminals who did their dirty deed for profit and fame.

@J. Jangarya: Your comment to Joyce, "shut up until you learn the actual history etc." You are correct in stating the U.S. were allies to France however you refrain from mentioning; it was only until the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour and Hitler declared war on the United States, did they enter World War II. Reason being, up to that point the United States were profiting by supplying arms to Europe and its allies. With no disrespect for those who serve in your Military (past or present) the truth of the matter is, not much has really changed as the U.S. is still profiting from war and the reason why you cannot and will not bring ALL your troops home is called economics.

As far as the Billboard goes, IMO it is very distasteful and insensitive and is just another example of how freedom of speech and expression is out of control!

Democates are too LIBERAL, you always want the last word. If you don't like something just leave it alone. You can't satisfy everyone.

@Joyce Otway, But Chaney/Bush did not get a Nobel Piece Prize.

Its said that the billboard uses the death of 12 people but its the bitter truth. Its sad you call the people in Idaho Nazis in some of your post. But you have the head of the socialist party in the white house.

This is disgusting but nothing we haven't come to expect from the far right. Where was their outrage over Bush/Cheney. Oh that's right -he was one of them so their killing was acceptable.

Sorry....but this billboard just goes to show how LOW the Republican party will go. If I were Romney, I'd be appalled at this billboard (even though I don't like him, I think he DOES have some integrity). This billboard is shameful!!

mike ritter deerhunt1..hate to disillusion you on VietNam, but that war was escalated during the Johnson and Nixon years. Nixon's secret plan to end the war was to get re-elected.

Tn....State your source......your name calling does nothing to promote your comments. Like anyone give a rats behind about President Obama's father being a goat herder or not. I am laughing so hard at you right now.....not with you.

Jason...you clearly do not know your history and have no sources for your errors posted. Repubs have created record obstruction with filibusters deliberately trying to obstruct any bills that would show positive President Obama's image. Try keeping up with current events Jason, it would be very useful in your education. ALL repub leaders, McConnell, Ryan, Cantor, Boehner have all said in one way or another their number one job was to make President Obama a one term president. Guess you have been sleeping or following world events on Mars. Watching fox news will not provide you with any correct info. Try doing search on President Obama's accomplishments.......for all the bills passed. I don't need to hold your hand through that process do I?

Repubs even blocked voting to give health care benifits to 911 first responders for years. Wrapping themselves up in the flag and taking photo ops with every fireman, EMT, and cop they could get in front of the camera. While these brave people are slowly dying and being sick from that event, repubs denied them healthcare until John Stewart exposed repubs to make them pass the bill the very next day. Those who pledged against Obama to obstruct still voted against the responders.

7-19-12 repubs obstructed bill to stop the tax breaks to companies taking jobs overseas, they obstructed in the same bill giving companies a 20% tax break for companies bringing those jobs back to America. Repubs create voter suppression laws like the one in Maine where they have not had voter fraud for 38 years, and repubs put i place laws to take away voting rights of their voters.

Repubs being anti American to try and make President Obama a one term president.

Vote Obama/Biden and democrats...... stop the repubs from taking down the economy.

It is good to see that someone other than myself see the real truth for what is going on.

Christ150,

Your ignorance is abhorant

Brad Cantor, please point out where and how Chris is showing ignorance. Try debating ideas instead of just calling people names.

Seth,

If I have to explain it, you don't get it neither. I will not waste my time with you

Ah, the classic response from someone with no real argument. C'mon man, if it is really that simple, just bang out a couple sentences for me. I really am pretty open minded, maybe I'm wrong here.

Joyce,

Its one person who advocated the billboard, just one. You lumping an entire state full of people into one neat little insult because of the opinion of one person would be akin to someone saying sick people in Colorado because of what one man did in Aurora.

Please get a clue and stop contributing to the hype.

Chris, I guess you didn't say a word when Bush WENT to war por PERSONAL reasons and killed more than five thousand of our boys and girls and more than a million innocent Irakis.

But of course it's easier to criticize Obama for not getting out of the Middle East, as if he could! But he did ONE thing that war criminal W. didn't do because he didn't care: He got bin Laden, after that inept cowboy put a price on his head "Dead or Alive" and proceeded to forget all about him.

Chris has you read the news lately?..Iraq is over and Afghanistan is winding down,oh yea thats right the Republicans are still fighting the Civil War,sorrie I forgot

No, this one makes a good point, the wars over in the Middle East have cost a lot of lives, and really failed to get the backlash that is called for. I really find this not to be offensive at all. Hate to say it, but by failing to pull out of the Middle East affairs in a timley fashion has made Obama just as guilty as G.W. I for one find nothing wrong with this billboard.

I agree with you right up to "I for one find nothing wrong with this billboard." The country would have ground to a halt if someone had done this when Bush was in office. What the Dixie Chicks did wasn't nearly this offensive and because we "at war" a war Bush and Cheney manufactured to make their fat cat friends rich, they were nearly flayed alive. It's just disrespectful and I'll say it, if the President was white, no would would have the guts. The disrespect shown to this man because of the color of his skin makes this country embarrassing. You have to be one of the most backward, ignorant, primitive people that ever lived to judge someone because their skin is a different color.

That said, I do understand, which many of the posters clearly do not, that we cannot just "pull out" of the mess we made in the middle east. I wish we could but we have to be adult about what we did and take responsibility for at least setting them back on their feet again so they can battle like the primitive tribes they seem to be.

It would be nice if it was over, but anyone who knows even the smallest bit about the area knew when we went in, it would never be that simple.

Idiot. Read the newspaper, if you can read at all, or listen to Fox. Obama has pulled our troops out of Iraq and in the process of leaving Afghanistan.

Well....looks like Seth just reinforced your point Brad. He is clueless.

KKK members,,,..you do know Rove's master plan to divide and conquer the middle class plan worked. Rove and repubs got the repub middle class to hate unions(even though many of them are union members) and got repub middle class to vote against themselves while getting those minions to vote for him and his rich friends.

Imagine that divide and conquer middle class repubs against the other part of the middle class.................TOO FUNNY THEY VOTE AGAINST THEMSELVES !!!! They vote to give the rich 1% more of their money. They vote to end their Social security, they vote to end medicare and medi aid. They vote against keeping the Post office. Teabaggers and repubs think they are billionaires.....!

WELL YOU ARE NOT BILLIONAIRES< YOU ARE MIDDLECLASS PEOPLE. VOTING FOR BILLIONAIRES!

starsailing post 4.11

Good post

I would also like to point out a historical fact. During the American Civil War rich slave owners conned poor whites into fighting and dying for a cause they had no stake in, SLAVERY. The end result of that conflict was the end of slavery and the end of aristocratic rule in the south. The same result is in the works as I type these words......... The right wing extremists in America WILL be crushed, never to rise again. It will just take some time, but it will happen.

And it was okay to vote for Kerry (who has more $ than Romney) because the double standard lives in lib-land.....gezz, get a clue....to rebuke you is too easy!!

Romney2012...for a better America!

FatAl: Did you say this with your best German (Nazi) voice?! "The right wing extremists in America WILL be crushed, never to rise again. It will just take some time, but it will happen."....what a joke, stay out of that Vegas sun!!

Unoitol....it is not being rich that is the problem, it is the rich skewing laws trying to keep taking more money from the middle class and poor . It is the rich who hide 100 bliion each year off shore to avoid paying taxes.It is those rich people who caused the crashing of the economy. It is the rich people who then divide the middle class saying the crash was the cause of them...etc...etc...

Do search on republican voter suppression laws.

You will see repubs creating voter suppression laws all over the country. Alec( American legion economic council) is a group of people from corporations that meet with repubs twice a year to create bills that favor corporations. The repubs get campaign contributions for handing over the prize. Pennsylvania top repub just admitted to getting the voter suppression law passed to give the election to Romney.There was zero voter fraud! Rove /head of repubs commented that if they could get 1% of 9 states not voting they wouuld win the election. Voter suppression to stop you young people from voting because young usually vote democratic because they care more about people.

Do search on student loans low interest.

Repubs were blocking the dems who wanted to keep interest rates low for students. Repubs wanted them higher to keep you out of school. Dems forced them on national tv to vote for their bill. The bill finally unblocked and passed. Some repubs still voted no.

Republicans blocked health care for 911 responders for years until it was exposed on TV last fall. Repubs voted for it the next day, except for the repubs who voted to take the economy down just to make President Obama a one term president. Imagine all those photo ops and wrapping themselves up in the flag while hugging first responders, then telling them to die until exposed on tv.

Vote Democratic party 2012

Ya Stairsaling: It's our elected official crooks that get rich by insider trading and hide their money in off shore accounts so they don't have to pay taxes. If you think Romney is the only one who has an off shore account you are on drugs. That pitbull Debbie Wasserman Pitbull was asked by a reporter why she had off shore account and she was offended and said that Romney was going to represent the American people, but gosh, isn't she representing a smaller section of the American people???? What a typical lib hypocrite.

It's obvious you didn't pay attention to what the dems have been doing in congress and the senate for 10 years before your savior Obama moved into the WH, or the 2 years after he took office. You libs are tearing this country down, you have to be heard but damn the rest. Now understand I am independent and that is because both sides Rep and Dem are not working for this country. and when you state rich folks hiding their money offshore, most of congress and senators ar either millionaires or making a hell of a lot more than average joe. Vote both sides out, they're all crooked. And starsailing, I would never agree with your liberal crap and I doubt Michael Parks would either.

royce, nobody with a brain would ever agree with your rightwing, neo-fascist idiocy, but I have a question for you: You're right, there are too many millionaires in congress. But after you vote them all out, who do you vote in?

Teabuggers? The ones who aren't witches are mere stooges for the Koch Bros. and other rich a-holes who want to run the country their way - which is simply to benefit them.

Let's face it, you won't be happy till the top ten percent owns 90 percent of the country's income and assets. It is the only conceivable result of the Rotten Ronnie Right Wing Revolution runs its course unstopped.

Again, starsailing:

Please see my previous question to you...why does EVERY post you have call someone a racist?

My daughter has to drive by this dumb billboard every day to go to the College of Idaho (one of the best LIBERAL ARTS colleges in the US by the way) and it's always lit up with some stupid comment.

But, that's Idaho. At least this time, we didn't have to hear "and he had thousands of rounds of ammo".

Its scary to me that you see this billboard and there are saying don't vote for Obama so you assume anyone that would vote for Romney is stupid enough to think like the retards that put up this billboard! Thats scarier than the person that put this up!!! I hope you people are smart enough to know that you can't lump all these people to christians, republicans or anti abortions people! Thats scary! You can't just follow along thinking everyone is just like they try to portrait them in the democratic party any more than I want to think all democrats are intollerent of peoples rights! How many people do you think it took to put up this billboard post? It wasn't the republican party! Why would they put themselves out there to be so insensitive? They wouldn't! This was some crazy individual!

The only reason for foaming at the mouth hatred spewing from the right is that the President is black. Always was, always will be.

It was necessary for Bush, Cheney and Halliburton to make billions off of the backs of the American people and to sink our country into the deepest recession it's been in since the Great Depression? There were no WMD's in Iraq. Bush lied about that, remember? Iraq was not involved with 9/11. Bush started a war with the wrong country! If that doesn't tell you that there was more going on than meets the eye, I don't know what can. For anyone who buys everything Bush told them hook, line and sinker - I've got some great land in Florida to sell you.

I totally agree with you, Moonwolf, and so do the libertarians who put up this billboard.

During the 2010 election teabaggers got away with being jerks with racist pictures, remarks, and actions while Dems continued to be polite and acting with calm and reason

Starsailing, google "Crash the Tea Party". Indeed, there were people at the rallies with racist signs (most of them misspelled), but those same people attend liberal gatherings with anti-white signs that are perfectly spelled.

Seems that story from Salt Lake was a retread.

it was from Apr 26, 2012.

not a new story, as it was said to be.

Ill bet thats why it was pulled.

Thanks for the info, but look at the comment count, LOL!

Love how those conservatives in Arizona with their lax gun control have been providing Mexico with guns for years, then the same people in Arizona get pissed when they come back over the border and use them there! Why do they do it?.. $$$$$$$$$$NRA makes a bundle from selling guns and accessories. Then the same people from Arizona scream to the feds to come protect them from the thugs they sold the guns to!......DUH! Then the same people from Arizona scream to get the government out of their lives. Then the same people from Arizona create voter suppression laws costing millions and have to create more government jobs to process voter suppression laws.....Just like a bull that can only walk backwards and always steps in his own B.S.

Starsailing...wow...you are a dope. Have you heard of Fast and Furious? The government told Arizona gun shops to sell guns to Mexico, before the gun shops called them and told them what was going on, and then that direction killed one of our border agents.

Against Union Thievery

You're drinking the kool-aide. The true story of Fast and Furious is far more nuanced than what you have stated and the onus falls on the side of Arizona State laws and the NRA.

I would suggest the June 27th article in Fortune Magazine. It gives the true details of the scandal in which it turns out leaves the ATF, Holder, and the administration without a hint of guilt. The whole thing was a political dog and pony show put on by the republicans for whatever reasons you'd like to impugn.

If you armed all the honest citizens of Mexico, we might not have drug cartels and corupt police running the country. Gun control has really worked well for Mexico. If you own a gun and youre caught, you go to prison. If you are a criminal, you start shooting. 60000 dead and counting in Mexico in the last 5 years. I wonder how and law abiding citizen protects himself and his family in Mexico?

Silver,

What drugs are you taking. Have you been trading guns for dope? You are obviously on something.

The NRA is a bunch of people that believe the same thing. 4 million strong while the brady campaign is a few people >30,000 strong that believe the same thing. Everyone calls the NRA all sorts of things but what they are, a club of people that disagree with them and nothing more.

Against....you talking about fast and Ficticious! Even Issa said on fox news...I repeat this to ditto heads as they are fox news watchers....ISSA said...No laws broken, no lies uncovered, nothing illegal done......DOPE! Your ISSA liar....made up story. There is no there there! ISSA was trying to get info on DOJ plans to stop voter suppression laws etc. Agents had looked at records at numeroous guns shops and wanted to prosecute the people sending guns to mexico. NO JUDGES would allow ANY prosecution.......NO JUDGES OR PROSECUTORS CAN YOU READ THE WORDS COMING FROM MY COMPUTOR ...AGAINST???? NO ONE would prosecute because of the NRA made guns laws in Arizona! Yes some gun shops complained....NOTHING ANYONE COULD DO BECAUSE OF REPUB GUN LAWS!

These guys are right up there with Trump and the Birthers. Idiots, all.

Obama is a good man! No doubt I'm voting for him!

starsailing has yet to post an original thought! I have yet to see a post from him that hasn't been copied from someone else and reposted over and over by this 'starsailing' person. Isn't this some sort of violation of newsvine's CoH?

Hey, star.... we all know you hate Bush... find another topic kid, lol!

Obama is ruining the country with his reckless spending and socialist agenda! I would never vote for a guy who has proven to us he has no clue on how to properly manage a struggling economy! Doesn't the guy listen to his advisors? Are they just as clueless????

Seldom....YOU ARE A LIAR!. Not one of my posts are from anyone else. Show it or shut up!

Seldom , you have not read my posts or you would see numerous subjects that apparantly you are unable to process. Romney is the person dragging Bush into the campaign because Romney hired .....17 of 24 of his advisors. If you brain is laser focused only on Bush, I suggest you try joining a rterading comprehension class someplace.

Cheney just came out now on the news to say Palin was the wrong choice for McCain. ....Why?...Because Romney lost to Palin , who with McCain lost to Obama. Cheney has dumped millions on Romney and given his advisors to Romney, 17 of 24 of Romney's advisors were from Bush Cheney regime. So Cheney sees the link, that Romney wasn't even good enough for McaCain because of who Romney is and his hidden tax records. To build Romney up, Cheney has to tear down Palin.

Vote Obama/Biden 2012

star, why dont you go sailing around the world. That will help us all out, first we wont have to hear your lies and bs, because you cant get an internet connection in the ocean. Second maybe you will get lost and no one will hear from you again. If a 16 yr old girl can do it, maybe a big strapping man like you can too....

right, and "the daily caller" is about as reliable, accurate and unbiased as "the daily kos".

try a REAL source next time.

I would never vote for a guy who has proven to us he has no clue on how to properly manage a struggling economy!

right, so you are going to vote for a guy that is going to tax the poor and massively cut government spending.

see how well that worked for Greece.

Yes right wing fascism alive and well in the US

Dave - you can go pick up your Obama money for doing nothing but agreeing with him. I hear that you don't have to do anything any more to collect welfare - because that is the Obama way.

Funny...ain't it........repubs heads explode over Illegal aliens taking American Job. Well I don't like it either.

The funny part is, repubs complain about union job holders. These union job holders set the bar for wages and benifits across the board for all workers. Yep, wages, vacation, overtime pay, sick pay, healthcare, etc.

So these repubs were talked into hating and trying to destroy their friends, relatives, and neighbor 's union jobs by the rich 1% in order to divide Americans so they can get more profits off the middle class and poor.

Imagine that...repubs are just like the illegal aliens that take away jobs from Americans. They have become the enemy in the instant that they preach hate against their fellow American job holders. Voting against their own self interests. The ol shooting themselves in the foot to spite their nose! Like a bull that only walks backwards and steps in his own B.S.

Kinda funny the way those repubs think huh?

Obama/Biden 2012

Quit, the orange grove owners, here in Fl., are looking for pickers, come on down and take an illegal's job. Excellent pay, accommodations provided, transportation provided to and from job site, a job of your dreams, great career path for upward mobility. If oranges are not for you then we have openings for bean technicians, tomato and lettuce experts, and of course we have Day Labor for the right candidate (s), apply in person. There you go employment for Americans par excellence. Silly elephants tool.

Obama 2012

BHO's got to go! Chicago style politics never worked in Chicago.... and it certainly doesn't play in most of the country. "you didn't build that!' is a phrase Karl Marx would be proud of! Keep sticking your foot in your mouth Barry, and you will soon be a permanent fixture as a sidekick on a late night talk show! At least then you won't be ruining the country anymore, just boring insomniacs to death!

Hey Barry, I see you like reciting the 'edited' version like Romney does too. How quaint.

Lets see - more people died in WW1, WW2 and Vietnam than in the gulf wars - if I remember my history correctly you can thank LBJ for Vietnam.....you can also thank my husband for 2 tours in Vietnam so you can continue to spew your BS about who left us in what war. So before you go blaming anyone - think back a little and look at who starts what when. Dems and the GOP have both put us in wars. I am probably wasting my time even posting this - just go hug a tree or something.

Oh thank God your husband fought in Vietnam. I imagine if he had not, we would all be living in some totalitarian state with no free speech or internet,right? Give me a break...

Quit, LBJ was handed Viet Nam from Kennedy, after LBJ it was Tricky Dickie, over 55,000 killed and untold numbers wounded, both physically and emotionally, MIA's still unaccounted for. My Husband had the honor of serving his country for three tours and received 4 purple hearts for his efforts. Regardless of how many of our people are killed in war its still a grievous loss, but a totally fabricated war is reprehensible, unconscionable slaughter. Go hug your tree it'll probably die from toxic shock. Ignorant fox howler.

Obama 2012

Numbers dont lie. We are in a bigger hole and now Obama wants a Backhoe. Get him out, he cant count.

When George Bush took us to war, it was voted on in Congress. Remember Kerry. I voted for it before I voted against it. The Dems had just as much to do with it as the Repubs. I guess you forgot that there are Democrats and Republicans in Congress. Both parties voted for the wars.

People don't want to admit that "THEIR" party is just as bad as the "OTHER" party. They just keep pointing the fingers at each other while both parties do the same crap day in and day out.

Actually, I think the billboard was too soft on Obama! The economic damage he's done will not be unwound for many years. And his trampling of the US Constitution to further his progressive/socialist agenda is putting a stain on this great country that will, in his words, 'fundamentally change America'!

Just listening to his lies and the lies of the old liberal media in his attacks on Romney make me ill! The coward can't even begin to defend his record, so he resorts to 'high school bullying' to distract the country from his dismal record! WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE AMERICA?

I have not had a raise in 5 years, this was going on BEFORE the current POTUS took office. Our company owner took a cut in pay so that we would not have to lay off anyone. The economy was circling the drain long before the President walked through the door. Try to remember when McCain said he had to get back to Washington because of the mess with AIG, and that was in late August, early September of 2008. Election was not until November of 2008 and even after that, the President did not take office until January 20, 2009. So would you like to walk back that statement? How has he "trampled" the constitution? What rights are you being denied right now or in the future? NONE that is what. but the clowns at fox tell you anything and you run looking at the sky with your tin foil hat on and swear that someone is doing something to you.

Lies? LIES?!!! Let's look at the lies that Romney and corporation have been telling.

1. The President says you didn't build that business. What he did say was that you did not build those roads and infrastructure that leads to your business. So NO you did not do it by yourself.

2. The President wants to take away our guns. He has actually passed more laws making it EASIER for you kind to get more guns. So FAIL

3. The President is trying to give us Europeans style government. NOPE, once again he looked at several plans for HEALTHCARE and took the model that the REPUBLICANS were touting and used that as the model for the ACA, So then Republicans lied and this is a sh!tty plan? right?

You know the rest, there is no need for me to go on. What has "fundamentally" changed America is yahoos like you, who have such a hard time keeping your hatred for this President under control.

What is going to happen when he wins again in Nov? I bet your head is going to explode.

AUSTERITY, which is what the European leaders have been doing, and doing badly, AND pissing off their people, is what the GOP wants to do to the U.S. How in the world Republican pundits/commenting sheep keep saying what the Europeans are doing is 'socialism,' but they STILL want it, and blaming President Obama so they can look 'different,' is mind-boggling.