Not much info to go on for either incident. Sad about the bystander and hope the others, dog included, make full recoveries. But, I want more details to why the suspects shot at the cops in the first place and why the suspects were being pulled over or contacted by the police. In other words I want to know what caused all this. There is always 2 sides to every story.

The shooting in Pendleton (near where I live) was a 59 year old guy who had been very controlling of his wife for a long time. She had gone back into the workforce and he routinely threatened to sit outside the gate of her employer and shoot co-workers randomly. He had also told her if she ever left him he'd kill people. She did leave him and of course he went off the deep end. She had just had a restraining order put on him when he drove into town, blocked the street with his truck, and started shooting. Basically an unstable nut job. Luckily for the citizens here, both gunmen are dead. No trials to conduct and no paying to house them for the next 30-40 years.

NBC seems to use a very sophisticated publishing schedule,

Gun Violence

Gay

Gun Violence

Gay

Positive Obama story

Negative Romney story

Gun Violence

Gay

Gun Violence

Gay

Good Muslim story

Bad Muslim story

Gun Violence

Gay

.......you get the idea....

You are rude and stupid...this was a simple traffic stop with a horrible outcome..how do think that this is being milked..frankly it could easily happen to you..Thursday a man who happen to behind another car was shot and killed by a high powered assault rifle...would it be more news worthy had it happen to you or your family?...what this is the truth..it is happening..people need to be alert..our world is not the same world I was brought up in..clearly I will be more alert in my surroundings..any kind of comfrontation anymore or people just stressed and have a agenda we need to be aware..just like the man I mentioned apparently the person that shot him had mentioned to his estranged wife he would kill if she left him and further told him that he just thought he would sit outside her place of work and just shoot her co-workers..that day she got a restraining order..he never got it and then sought to kill her, never made it but killed that poor soul who happen to be behind him in his car on the way home from work..yes..we are milking it...just keep your head in the sand and your eyes closed...

A man suspected of shooting an Indiana police officer died in a shootout, police said early Saturday.

Good!!

No Court costs

No confinement costs

I am sorry that the thug killed himself. The cops should have gotten that pleasure.

Thanks DMZ, now let's look at Fox's sophisticated broadcasting schedule:

Romney good

Obama: Secret Muslim?

Liberals evil

Conservatives save the world

Bachmann: Why is she being persecuted?

Gay bad

Gay bashing good

Obama: evil Muslim?

Reverend Wright running government

Romney: Why do they hate his success?

Obama: Where's his birth certificate?

Fear the gay agenda!

Health care taken over by Communist Muslim radicals

Guns don't kill people

We need more guns

Evil homosexuals want to take your guns away

Obama: Ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood

Romney: Wealthy AND a saint

Democrats are all Communists

Republicans: Let our God rule America

New scientific study: Earth only 6,000 years old

Obama hates America

Fox: Fair and balanced

MSNBC: All liberal lies

Obama: Devil Spawn

Romney still a saint

And...repeat 24/7

...you get the idea...

bluelake,

It would be very nice if people like you would not be able to comment unless your comment is relevant to whatever story it is.

It's not enough that news agencies have become political and no longer objective in their "reporting" but we get dumbass political comments from the likes of you that are relevant to nothing. If you need to make a politican statement then make it for a political article.

If you don't care for FOX news then don't read or listen to FOX news.

Bluelake, Great post. I only watch FOX the Daily Show. Jon Stewart is more Fair and Balanced and funny, too. GO OBAMA.

Bluelake: Bravo, well done!

Criticizing Fox News is like throwing spit balls at a battleship. Fox News has more viewers than any other cable news outlet (that’s apparently why CNN even advertises some of THEIR upcoming events on Fox News) because Fox News comes closer to the concept of “fair and balanced” reporting than just about anyone else.

Liberal zealots will continue to cast stones at Fox News in a futile attempt to silence the competition , but discerning viewers know where to find the least-slanted news reporting – at Fox News. So, all of you haters of Fox News can eat your hearts out because in the arena of competition (the rating wars), your darling newscasts are BIG TIME LOSERS!

richard-3165941,

Perhaps instead of lecturing bluelake, you should notice that he was responding to an off topic post by mrz-1191248.

So why are you here? This is not a Fox site.

Wow! An intelligent person takes a look at all kinds of different reporting agencies and forms their opinions based on what makes the most sense out of all the avenues researched. No one site is the end all be all of reporting or the only TRUE place to get information!!

Rhonda - you're right, FOX News has approximately the same viewership as the other cable news channels combined. However, FOX News viewership is but a small fraction of the numbers put up by any of the three broadcast channels. FOX News is a big fish in a small pond.

Rhonda Lucky-296458

Criticizing Fox News is like throwing spit balls at a battleship. Fox News has more viewers than any other cable news outlet

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Only because white trash racists have no awareness of the meaning of the word "extremism". And are too stupid to realize they are being propagandized -- brainwashed -- by a corporation to vote against their own interests and for those of the corporation.

Here's a fact for you:

The Liberals in the Continental Congress, lead by John Adams of Massachusetts, drove the Congress to declare independece from Britain.

They were opposed by the Conservatives -- until the Conservatives got what they wanted in exchange for their support:

Preservation of slavery.

That's why you love the racist FOX, but are too stupid to realize it.

PuddleJumper:

YOU WROTE: "...Fox News viewership is but a small fraction of the numbers put up by any of the three broadcast channels. Fox News is a big fish in a small pond."

MY RESPONSE: A big fish in a small pond is better than any fish in a big pond, especially when the big-pond-fish are so contaminated with garbage, pollution, and disease that they are too nauseous to swallow.

JNagarya:

Your comment was senseless psycho-babble (but it was still worth a few belly-laughs).

By the way, I'm African-American, so I CANNOT be racist according to liberal-speak.

By the way, I'm African-American, so I CANNOT be racist according to liberal-speak.

Worth more than a few belly laughs...

By the way, I'm African-American, so I CANNOT be racist according to liberal-speak.

If you say so, but I would highly disagree.

JNagarya

And you might want to brush up on your own history a little bit. It was the Northern states led by President Lincoln that fought a bloody battle to keep the Union whole. It was also about slavery.

Now, it might interest you to know that those Northern States were primarily Republican and the Southern states primarily Democrat. It was the Democrat slave owners that wanted to keep the blacks as slaves.

Do you see any corollaries between the welfare state and pre-civil war America? Do you see the differences between the now primarliy Democrat North and Republican South?

RDBplus3, No Hoover, NO Bush, No Cheney, No Reagan, No Nixon, No Palin, No Santorium, No Warren Jeffs, No magic underwear, No Bachmann. It's no accident that the two greatest depressions in the last 100 years happened at the end of long REPUBLICAN administrations and before the GOP lost the White House.

Rhonda Lucky-296458 I would be willing to bet my life that you are not really an African-American.

No African American who has a computer is that ignorant

amen to that - the truth and nothing but the truth

I think he was trying to ensure readers would not confuse this story with yesterday's cop shooting, suspect killed story from Indiana.

Or tomorrow's, or the next day.

Awfully written article indeed.

Cut them some slack. These people aren't used to reporting on this sort of thing, and now here they've had 2 incidents in the last 3 days.

The quality of a reporter's work is independent of the subject matter. Poor writing is poor writing.

What is a "housing subdivision"? I believe the author of this piece is at best in the fifth grade.

Thank for letting me know that it was the writer. I was starting to believe I woke up stupid.

The story would have been better written if it was about liberals or Gays, that's what they are used to reporting on, this type of reporting is to complicated it involves things like facts and truth, that's very confusing to a liberal you can't just make this $hit up.

I thought it was just me & to much coffee..:)

Dasvet - if you were connected to the internet you could look up "housing subdivision". Perhaps a fifth grader can read this aloud for you.

If the writer was trying to avoid confusion with a previous incident, it backfired. With no info available (names of both shooters are available Sunday on local news outlets, but nbc has a skeleton staff on weekends - no updates, just vague outlines.)

One of the links has an erroneous tag - it is on the bottom of the story about the NYPD detective with a kidnap victim tied up in his garage, and it refers to a suspected cop-killer who died in a shootout - he was a shooter of a cop, but thankfully did not kill the officer.

The political statement aimed at the poor writing is laughable. Poor writing is poor writing and happens all too often---on all sides of any argument.

The political statement aimed at the poor writing was so poorly written that I thought it was joke!

Thinning the herd.................or improving the gene pool.

Always a good idea to fire a few rounds at the police. Assuming you want to be dead and forgotten. What is wrong with people is that for a couple of generations respect for others has gone downhill at a 45 degree angle. People worship thuggery and crime, but forget that they will have to pay the price.

Good! Now he won't act like this any more. Ever.

Even if the perp had lived he would have been sueing for his Constitional Rights. Shootings incidents have become common when you usually don't here of 1 or 2 a year in San Antonio, Tx were hearing of 8-10 or more a month. I can't help but to ask, what going on?

too many on welfare for their whole life with no ambition and nothing to do all day, open border , too many illegals, poor economy,lack of substantial role models , lack of basically any politician in dc that cares about this country all they are is self serving and could care less about the US and its legal citizens,politicians like chicago's mayor that declares their city a sanctuary for illegals,lack of good paying jobs,high unemployment.as the country grows in population size it will get more violent.you can only put so many animals in a cage until it gets to crowded and they start to kill each other.over zealous police enforcement,criminals that have more rights and are sometimes treated better than victims, overcrowded prisons many of which are full to the gills with illegals whom we all pay for and are released and deported and simply walk right back over,go back to their sanctuary city and cause more violent crime.these are just a few of the many reasons that come to mind.

Very well stated LN!

@RDBplus3; are you suggesting that AS and JJ stand up for the rights of another race or speak against their own, this isn't about rights or victims its about their bank accounts, its all for show. the ACLU, NAACP, JJ & AS are out to destroy this country, all for a dollar. to them Race is simply a conduit to their bank account.

Hey, while we're speaking about victim's rights and bank accounts does anyone know which of George Zimmerman's many PayPal donation websites is the one he uses for his criminal defense, which is the one he uses to cover personal costs, and which is the one his wife sneaks funds out of when the court is recording his phone calls. I wanted to help out his noble effort but I couldn't tell which of his slush funds was to support his criminal defense and which ones were to help him buy a new wardrobe for all those Sean Hannity TV interviews he plans to give.

Also, which one of those websites helps pay back the Klu Klux Klan for their own Sanford, FL bounty hunting (or do we not count that as part of all the acused race bainting going on) as I, too, want to support the white man's main social justice organization... you know, the one that keeps telling white folks that they are the majority population but also tells them that somehow no white man has ever received any governmental assistance for anything from the Homestead Act straight down to big business corn and sugar subsidies. So who do white people call when their civil rights are violated? David Duke? Newt Gingrich? Rush Limbaugh? The Grand Wizard (who I think is Voldemort these days)? Of course since white people have their every hope, wet dream, and quivering desire normatively placated by a democratic regime designed to elevate and celebrate whiteness and denigrate and subjugate any one else deemed "other" yall never need worry about having your civil rights wholesale violated like you've done non-whites all through history. If they were the world would instantly stop and every hack-azz politician with access to a television camera would be out and about trying to feel the white man's ever-suffering burden and throwing everyone else under the "not white so demonize and terrorize because they're not you" bus. Leave it to America to keep white people stupid and placid by continuing to feed your vanity, self-importance, and fears of racial difference.

Ciewwyeth-I'm very sorry I even bothered to read your ridiculous rant!!!!

Ciewywtb42mh6sps-23 That was the most honest and best post i've ever read. Also skrewdworld why do you act like your reading comprehension is good enough to evem understand what was said

Let me share something with ya Sparky. Ol' redneck Indiana is about 3 billion in the black. We are actually going to get some of our tax dollars back in lew of tax credits. You might learn something from us ol' rednecks.

Yeah, but most of us would rather they keep it and do something good for the state. For starters they could hire some police to patrol downtown Indy and try to make it a safer environment. Then maybe they might start opening some rest areas along the interstate, all you have to do is wander Indiana to know it is in dire need of a little upkeep. The state has physically deteriorated in the last five years.

I have lived in Indiana all of my life. It has a lot of great people and improvements are being made all of the time. I-69 extension is well underway through my old neck of the woods and the State has a balanced budget because they don't dare waste our state tax dollars the way other states do. Could there be more stadiums, museums, parks, etc.? Probably. But with those things come a lot of expense and scuzz. All we lack here is some rain.

I have lived in Indiana my entire life. This will be the first time I have ever commented. I have to believe that you have never been to my state if you think that we are a redneck state. We do not seem to have the money problems that I hear from the "greatest" states!

It easy to criticize the Police Forces in our nation and yet how many critics are willing to do the job?

They asked to be cops. I think too many cops are quick to unloose a gun from a pistol.

Cops are a breed of their own, you have to be a little bit of a sociopath to want that job, that's just the way it is control freaks need to assert themselves over others so if you cant be the cop you will be the criminal, the difference is a steady paycheck, cant blame them for wanting a steady paycheck and be legal when it comes to extorting people can you, besides some of you need to be extorted from time to time in order to keep you in line.

mvet,

Not to be critical but what the hell does "...to unloose a gun from a pistol." mean?

d buck,

You just don't have a clue about what motivates someone to become a police officer. Dumbass statements are easy to make.

D Buck....To Serve & Protect...When is the last time you spent 72 hours dragging an icy cold creek for a lost child...when was the last time you stormed, yes I said stormed an apartment when a woman was being "CUT UP" by her beloved husband... SHUT THE F UP..you have NO idea what makes our folks in blue tick. Where were you on 911???

These two guys (two psycho ex-husbands with AK-47s) were both white baby boomers. You would think that a man in his 50s would have learned by now that you don't get your own way all the time; and when a woman decides it is over, it's over. Go elsewhere and get over it - it is not such a big deal.

Where in the world did they learn to demand complete submission from their women, and to believe that the only way to respond to a breakup is to shoot up the ex-wife, her coworkers, her family, any bystanders, and any police in sight? Absolute lunacy.

Some are most likely Americans.

raymond atlanta "the great welfare society creating all these sub human species that create this kind of behavior"

Who are the created subhuman species? Are you talking about some off-shoot of white people? I ask this since they are the majority of people on welfare and always have been

How can one story get so twisted by one reporter. "suspect killed by police" but story says self inflected gun wound. Also K9 killed but it was in surgery. Which is it? Fire the reporter!

Gun laws cannot change human behavior.

thats the american way? maybe in your america it is , not mine. this country has a lot of problems that have not been addressed for decades by our useless dc politicians but good hardworking americans are some of the most generous people on this planet.fighting and violence is not their way so don't lump the country together as a whole with the animals who are out there who resort to violence.no there is no need to reform gun laws....theres a need to enforce the ones already on the books. the liberal anti-gun media is scaring the general population into thinking there is a gun battle on every corner, or a maniac toting assault weapons into every imaginable public place.couldn't be further from the truth. just once i'd like to see the liberals at msnbc publish a story about honest folks who defended their life from some scum with a legal firearm.honestly...it'll never happen and everyone including big liberal brother knows it.... well said fricsaid.

Humans have been good at violence & killing each other since the beginning of the human race. Guns are just the tools & 911 proved you don't need guns to take massive lives at one time. Look at all the bombings through the years in Europe & the rest of world.

At least we still have the right to protect ourselves against both the criminals & the government, how many other nations can claim this. Bet the Syrians wish their people could have the same weapons at their dictatorial government.

Started with Kane and Able, Kane didnt have a gun so he used a rock, they should have outlawed the rocks!

There are already laws that enable the confiscation of weapons from someone who threatens violence - what is needed is a quick-response enforcement. Every protection order that is approved by a judge should come with search&seizure warrants signed at the same time by the same judge.

If the threats were severe enough to limit the freedom-of-movement of the subject, then all property owned, rented, or leased by the subject should be searched for weapons and ammo. Include the locker at work and at the gym/YMCA, the car/trucks/boats/RVs, bus station lockers, shooting range and gun club - let the person threatening violence know it is serious. And if any weapons are found where the subject did not admit the location, seize that vehicle/building also.

Drugs or no drugs, (including alcohol) our Justice system seem over focus on creating excuses for peoples bad choices & actions. Time to teach our children & more important adults to accept responsibilities for their own actions instead of excuses: I was drunk, on drugs, I was abused as a child, then there is the proverty excuse or the bad the schools. Always believed it was the parents responsibilty to educate their child not the government.

Nobody is giving direction anymore, the liberals have taken over, they think instead of telling kids not to have sex they should pass out condoms to 12 and 13 year olds, don't discourage drug use pass out needles and show them how to use all this stuff, its all coming back in their faces, the people who pass out condoms to children are no better then Sandusky, we had a truly great nation once with some exceptions, why did we throw it all away. the thing we lost that I miss the most was our dignity. allot of young people today don't know what dignity or self respect is, they damn sure have no discipline its all about them and their mine mine mine attitude and there I want it my way, and you better give me what I want, well there going to get what they deserve, and I hope I'm not around to see it.

these two Indiana psycho-shooters do not appear to be liberals. They are more probably unshaven redneck macho types who insist on having their own way - really, really insist.

Does anybody have to take responsibilty for their actions? I get it. Take the low road and just blame others. Five shot the other day in Chicago. Hardly makes the news anymore.Lets blame the NRA for not educating these bangers to be responsible gun owners. See,that was easy.

The world is flipping out.

No, I think it's just Indiana.

Ever heard of victim compensation? Each state and the federal government has this to compensate (including medical bills) for victims of crime. I am not sure I really understand your thought process on armament and protective gear. So we issue everyone protective gear and then expect the criminals not to also have protective gear? How do you propose that we as members of our society or that members of law enforcement then handle a violent person when they are armored. Do you remember the bank robbery out in California many years ago where the robbers were in full protective gear? Yep, numerous officers shot and killed, hostages shot and killed. It was a really nasty shootout and hostage situation that took too long to remedy because of the protective gear.

uka,

Do me a favor......The next time you need an officer, don't call one. Call your lawyer, instead!!!

I would not call a cop if I was dying if you like hiding behind all the lesbian cops I see around you are a real man ahahah

uka,

What the hell did you just say??

He said those lesbiens can be mean.

bernie-1722,

Uka sounds like this: I'm an bigotted idiot.

And your point is, Uka? By the way, wasn't Ted Bundy caught because of a traffic stop? And what about all those drunk drivers? I guess they should not be stopped either, but the hundreds of thousands injured and the failies of those killed would think differently. If you're in your vehicle, does that mean your exempt from laws? It sounds as though that is what you think.

uka, this guy was on his way to shoot his ex-wife; she had just received a protection order. In other words, his traffic stop triggered the psycho a few minutes early, and the officer took the bullets that were loaded for her. There was probably other suspicious behavior - experienced police officers are pretty good at spotting scum who are up-to-no-good.

True, if the cop had ignored the broken light, he could have avoided serious injury. In my opinion, the actions of the officer were heroic.

hey idiotic girl there are way to many cops then we need that is why they pull people over for a brake lite inspection ticket seat belt etc. I framed houses for 37 years you want danger I will put you up 45 ft with a frozen 20ft 2x12 on rafters with ice on them and the wind blowing. I knew cops that watched us and said they would never do it. How bout a guy up 75 floors setting steel beams. Take your fantasy storyies of cops risking their lives and tell it to a kindergarten class, A taxi driver in a big city is 20 times more dangerous then being a cop

Hahahhaa You idiot!

uka,

"hey idiotic girl there are way to many cops then we need..."?!!! Really? Way too many cops?

Your comment and grammer puts you just about in the braindead category. My guess is that you got pulled over for a seatbelt violation or your vehicle failed an inspection. You really seem to have issues with police officers.

Good point UKA the world is a dangerous place period if you don't get mugged or shot by the gang bangers the cops will smash down your door and shoot you while your watching TV at home or at least shoot your dog. before they realize they have the wrong address. PS your post #25.1 does not make you look smart and try III instead of 111 for Roman numerals.

thanks Dbuck but this is not a spelling bee and getting shot by gangbangers is just what I mean the heroic cops run from them and allow them to kill and sell drugs and give a 70 year old a seatbelt ticket

we are living under jewish law therefore we are at the brink of WW111 look what pissrael has done to the olympics turned it into a mini hollowcuast memorial for their slain athletes and an armed concentration camp

uka,

Whoa! Aren't we being a little bigotted with that comment? Using terms lilke "pissrael" doesn't reflect poorly on Israel but it sure does reflect negatively on you.

And before you even open you mouth - I'm Catholic.

I would tell you to move to israel but thet would throw you out being it is their law you must be a jew to buy property

Uka get over yourself. Your ridiculous rants aren't impressing anyone. Go back to school learn a little about the real world instead of the fantasy one you live in.

damouser,

WRONG, oh wise one. There is a difference between what is necessary and what is not. There is a difference between what is wasteful and what is not.

126 different federal, state and local agencies to "help" the so-called poor is a joke. Advertising for food stamps is a joke!. 35% of the population on welfare is a joke compared to 6% just 50 years ago is a joke. The NANNY state is a joke

No one, not even the "mean, disgusting, rotten, dirty air loving, woman hating, bigoted, racist" conservatives know that government should and has the obligation to put up a "stop sign" at a busy intersection.

No, what the REAL joke is, is LIBERALISM!

bernie what about all the 100's of billions given to local police to buy tanks submarines (in nyc) grenade launchers APC's machine guns DRONES come on you are right about all the welfare waste but on purpose left out the security waste

you are right damouser

uka,

Like I said, "Get rid of ALL the waste". Nice to see you're waking up!!!

Now, how about coming over to our side?

sorry bernie I thought you left out cutting the idiotic homeland security which is as bad as all welfare I am on your side

uka,

As it turns out, I am NOT on your side, s(chmuck). I'm a JEWISH conservative, p(utz)!!!!

You are the REAL bigot and racist......Just like all you damn liberals!!!

bernie you are a neo conservative and your tribe has destroyed the real conservative movement you prefer pissrael over the US you are a traitor as all jews have been to their host nations for 3000 years what about cutting aid to pissrael traitor Im a bigot howcome no one can buy property in pissrael unless they are jewish?? a liberal to a jew like you is someone who will not pledge every drop of blood and every penny to israel

uka,

No.....Not "neo". Been one since 1968. Saw what liberalism was doing to our great country way back then.

uka,

By the way, s(chmuck).......Most land in Israel is government owned and is available for sale to all Israeli residents....Jew and NON-Jew!!!

And, I do not pledge every drop of my blood to Israel. My first love is The U.S. Always was, always will be.........

bernie,

Forget it, uka will never, ever have a clue about being a bigot.

bernie you are a liar you must be a jew to buy property there and your first loyalty is to israel Richard you do not seem like a bad guy israelis are the bigots ask all the afreecans they just threw out. They will not even let black ethiopian jews own property

bernie the jews invented liberalism that you say you hate it is their religion