Drew Peterson trial: No hit man testimony allowed, judge rules

Will County Sheriff's Office / AP, file

Drew Peterson, seen in a May 2009 file photo, is charged with the murder of his third wife.

Updated 4:55 p.m. ET: JOLIET, Ill. - A judge on ruled on Tuesday that testimony from a man claiming to have been offered $25,000 by former Chicago area policeman Drew Peterson to kill his third wife would not be allowed.

Peterson is charged with the murder of his third wife, Kathleen Savio, who was found dead in a dry bathtub in 2004. Her death initially was ruled an accident. But when Peterson's fourth wife, Stacy Peterson, disappeared in 2007, suspicions were raised and Savio's death was ruled a homicide. Stacy Peterson has never been found and is presumed dead.

Prosecutor James Glasgow began his opening statement on Tuesday by telling the jury that Jeffrey Pachter, a man Peterson worked with at a cable television installation company, has said under oath that Peterson offered him $25,000 to find a hit man to kill Savio.


Defense attorney Steve Greenberg immediately called for a mistrial. Judge Edward Burmila cleared the jury out of the courtroom and allowed Greenberg to make his case for a mistrial.

Burmila rejected the mistrial motion, but ruled that the prosecution could not use anything from Pachter during the trial.

The ruling was a blow to the prosecution because there is little physical evidence to link Peterson to Savio's death and prosecutors hoped to use the testimony of family and associates as evidence of Peterson's guilt.

The judge also admonished defense lawyer Joel Brodsky for launching into a story of Peterson's early life rather than focusing on the facts of the case.

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Brodsky then focused on Savio's character, calling her a liar who had a nasty temper and had attacked Drew Peterson. 

Peterson betrayed no emotion during the morning session of the trial's first day.

The opening statements were interrupted numerous times with objections from both sides.

In its opening statement, the prosecution insisted that the scene where Savio's body was found was "staged." 

“Kathleen Savio’s cold, lifeless body was found in her bathtub ... and it was staged to look like an accident,” state attorney James Glasgow told the court, The Chicago Sun-Times reported.

Glasgow objected 25 times during Brodsky's opening statement, who began recounting his client's service as a police officer and an officer in the Army.

Brodsky characterized Savio as “crazy” and told jurors that she made up lies to fit her purpose. He also went into the prosecution's lack of physical evidence.

The prosecutor's first witness, Savio’s close friend and neighbor, Mary Pontarelli, testified she and another neighbor, Steven Carcerano, entered Savio’s house after a locksmith picked the front door and discovered her body lying inside the bathtub. 

Pontarelli sobbed on the stand as she was shown a picture of Savio's body in the bathtub.

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She told jurors that Savio, 40, had bruises on her wrists and buttocks and blood coming from her mouth.

Prosecutors say Peterson killed Savio because he feared their pending divorce settlement would wipe him out financially. And they believe he killed Stacy, in part, because she knew about Savio's death. 

Peterson started dating Stacy Coles in 2001 -- two years before his marriage with Savio dissolved.

After learning that Peterson took Stacy on a vacation to Mexico in January 2001, Savio had requested an order of protection.

"She files (the petition) with lies, stupid, ridiculous statements," Brodsky told jurors, the Tribune reported.

Glasgow painted Peterson as growing increasingly violent, upping his threats as Savio told him she would take his pension and other assets after their divorce, reported The Tribune.

When a judge ordered him to pay Savio's divorce attorney $15,000 in 2003, Peterson "snuck into the victim's home, grabbed Kathy Savio by the throat and said, 'Why don't you just die? I could kill you and no one would know,'" Glasgow said.

The two filed for divorce in 2003. Peterson had moved out of the home he shared with Savio, and Savio by that point had dropped the order of protection, which Brodsky told jurors suggested she was lying about Peterson being violent.

From the archives: Watch 2007 Dateline NBC video of Drew Peterson discussing Stacy 

"Never again do you hear of Kathy getting an order of protection," Brodsky said, according to The Tribune. "She knew how to get one - but all this stuff about (Peterson's) threats, breaking into her house, Kathy never got another order of protection. You have to ask yourself why."

The real-life drama inspired a TV movie and a national spotlight was put on the case, with speculation about whether Peterson used his law-enforcement expertise in a bid to get away with the murder of Savio and to make Stacy Peterson disappear.

Peterson, a former police sergeant in the Chicago suburb of Bolingbrook, was charged with first-degree murder in Savio's death only after Stacy Peterson went missing. He is a suspect in her disappearance but hasn't been charged.

Jurors in the case include a part-time poet, a letter carrier and a research technician whose favorite TV show is "Criminal Minds."

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Honestly, that dude can't get any creepier looking.

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#1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:30 AM EDT

true...u are so right. people in america should be prosecuted for 1st degree murder based on what you think is "creepy lookin"!

that's what america is all about! charge anyone who "looks creepy".

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:03 PM EDT

He sure looks cocky in that photo. I think by the arrogant looks he has that he is guilty! String him up and make him watch the Oprah Network the rest of his life.

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:13 PM EDT

true, anyone jason thinks looks guilty and "cocky" should be murdered.

thanks for sharing, jase.

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:16 PM EDT

@ian---doesn't cmt751 has a right to think he is creepy looking (or ugly or handsome or young or old) just as you have a right to your opinions? The post didn't say anything about guilt or innocence at all, just a comment on his appearance. So what?

  • 38 votes
#1.4 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:18 PM EDT

I bet when he gets convicted (and he will), "Bubba" will wipe that cocky grin off his face.

Cops generally don't do well in prison, much less one who kills women.

  • 27 votes
#1.5 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:28 PM EDT

What Tap 2X said.

  • 7 votes
#1.6 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:32 PM EDT

What happened to his first and second wives?

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:44 PM EDT

I just find the fact that Scott Peterson was convicted of murdering his wife and unborn child and now Drew Peterson is on trial for his wifes' murder interesting to say the least.

I wonder if Ancestry.com could find out if these two are related.

  • 9 votes
#1.8 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:24 PM EDT

Let's not dismiss Ian so quickly, as he points out that men are automatic suspects in most if not all serious crimes. I recently heard on the news "the man" (suspect) concerning an arson, yet there were no witnesses.

Any job funded directly by taxpayers should always be subject to civilian review board scrutiny, anything less is nothing more than wholesale tyranny.

" Those who give up their freedom for the promise of security deserve neither" Abraham Lincoln

  • 4 votes
#1.9 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:58 PM EDT

I'm a lot less concerned about how he looks...and a lot more concerned about how many of his wives have turned up dead or missing.

Neither constitutes guilt...but it certainly doesn't help the defense.

  • 7 votes
#1.10 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:09 PM EDT

Men are only "automatic suspects" because they commit well over 90% of the world's violence. It would make no sense for a detective looking for a suspected child rapist/murderer to START looking for a woman. That's just common sense.

  • 10 votes
#1.11 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:09 PM EDT

I watched the movie and Rob Lowe made him out to be creepy and a bit weird...I wonder if that was his slant on hs character, or if he was told Peterson actually acted that way.

  • 2 votes
#1.12 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:20 PM EDT

Ian,

Did you follow any of the stories leading up to his arrest? Well here in Chicago we were spoon fed this garbage everyday by the media. Drew is an arrogant scum bag. Hope he gets convicted.

  • 7 votes
#1.13 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:22 PM EDT

Maybe I’m missing something but was there a mention about any actual evidence against this guy. Charges and accusations make for interesting news copy but unless I'm mistaken it takes proof to convict. Personally I think he did it but if I was on the jury without any actual evidence I would have no choice but to vote not guilty.

  • 3 votes
#1.14 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:33 PM EDT

otto-372694

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Ben Franklin

  • 5 votes
#1.15 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:33 PM EDT

WisePati,

Ex-Cops are kept out of General Population.

To All,

I'd be willing to bet a pay check, that he walks.

  • 4 votes
#1.16 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:38 PM EDT

......can we get back to taking out all the creepy, cocky guys??????!!!!!! I was grokin to that....'cept it would get pretty lonely round here.......

    #1.17 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:39 PM EDT

    Nobody looks good in their mug shots, and the media usually finds just the right photo to paste into a story like this one.

    • 1 vote
    #1.18 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:12 PM EDT

    Otto: the overwhelming majority of arsonists are men; less than 17% of arsonists have ever been women. If you are a newscaster making a guess, using 'he' would be a pretty good one by those odds.

    Unfortunately for our ilk, it is MEN who committ the vast majority of all SERIOUS crimes; this only highlights man's inhumanity to man (and woman). The stats are all available online, you know?

    • 3 votes
    #1.19 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:31 PM EDT

    Well, if nothing else, this case is a lesson to all future husbands who want to get rid of their wives that you have to cremate the body after you get the initial ruling of accident, then spread the ashes and get rid of everything that had to do with the dead wife. Once the potential crime is ruled an accident, you are not getting rid of evidence (aka obstruction of justice) because THERE IS NO CRIME.

    IMO, based on the various rulings which should be allowing in all all sorts of otherwise illegal hearsay, this guy will be convicted. The state put so much effort into getting this guy. They tried everything, even trying to charge him with having an illegal shotgun, which was allowed for police officers and he was a police officer at the time.

    When the state has decided you are guilty and they can't prove you committed a crime, they will make up a crime and try to convict you of that. Effectively, that is what is happening in this case. His last wife took off and they can't prove he did anything so they decided to dig up his third wife and what had been an accident is suddenly reviewed many years later and what was an accident is suddenly a murder. I don't know who this guy pissed off, but someone really has an ax to grind and Drew Peterson became the target.

    • 1 vote
    #1.20 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:05 PM EDT

    Wow dirp that is a lot of conspiracy surrounding one lowly cop!

    How many women do you know take off and never speak to their families that they were so very close to? Cause I betchya none of them are alive to say why they split.

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    If they couldn't convict Casey Anthony, then they are not going to convict this guy. All the evidence is heresay. As much as I want this arrogant $hitbag to see the inside of a cell for the rest of his life it's not gonna happen. Why else would he be so cockey?

    And thanks MSNBC for elaborating on the judges decision to exclude the murder for hire witness. No need to explain WHY the judge threw it out. Is the guy no longer living? Could he not testify under oath to it in this trial? Did he refuse to do so? It's not an important detail or anything. It was only the headline of the damn story! Brilliant reporting as usual!

    • 2 votes
    #1.21 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:16 PM EDT

    Please show some real evidence, otherwise a fair jury, (not considering facts that are not in evidence or information that has in been reported in the media) has to find him NOT GUILTY!

    We don't convict people in this country because they look creepy or guilty .... or at least we are not supposed to .........

    • 2 votes
    #1.22 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:38 PM EDT

    Actually - 85% of wives killed where by husbands - great statistics

    Having said that this was wife number three who either went missing or drowned in a bathtub

    Serial wife killer? Probably - arrogant cop who knew all the ins and outs - yes

    My question is what took them so long to get this guy?

    • 2 votes
    #1.23 - Wed Aug 1, 2012 3:18 AM EDT

    I was really creeped out when Petersons lawyers was gleefully happy that his missing wife can't be mentioned during the trial and laughing about Petersons missing wife on tv when a lawyer asked if any of them seriously thinks she is alive.

    • 2 votes
    #1.24 - Wed Aug 1, 2012 5:02 AM EDT
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    He's a psychopath of the highest order. Hopefully he has a heart attack soon and saves the tax payers money.

    • 18 votes
    Reply#2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:39 AM EDT

    so much for guilty until proven innocent! i assume u are not american. at least i hope not.

    • 5 votes
    #2.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:15 PM EDT

    I hope he lives another 30 years, all of it in prison.

    • 2 votes
    #2.2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:36 PM EDT

    ...and no doubt you conducted the forensic psychiatric evaluation to be able to conclude he is.

    • 1 vote
    #2.3 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:46 PM EDT

    ian: I guess you believe OJ did not murder Nicole either.

    • 8 votes
    #2.4 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:03 PM EDT

    ian - you may want to reread your comment. In America, the phrase is "innocent until proven guilty."

    • 6 votes
    #2.5 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:11 PM EDT

    And he was proven guilty.

      #2.6 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:15 PM EDT

      Innocent until proven guilty - in a court of law. We are not in a court of law. We are not jurors. We have a right to speculate and give opinions.

      • 6 votes
      #2.7 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:20 PM EDT

      Debra - don't get my hopes up! I thought the same thing about Casey Anthony and we all know how that turned out. Since he is only charged with the murder of the third wife, at least he can still be charged and tried for the murder of the fourth one day. I sincerely hope the prosecution can prevail with this case, but like I said, you never know.

      • 1 vote
      #2.8 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:41 PM EDT

      this crappy story has been going on in chicago for several years now. EVERYONE knows his name and picture by now----all to well! we are sick, sick, sick of it, him and the story. everything.

      i, for one, am so tired of hearing about this guy! this right after we finally got rid of the governor blagojevich story! and before that it was the governor before him, ryan, who went to prison! these stories take years and years before it reaches a conclusion.

      but wait until the part about the blue plastic barrel! with the mentally challanged brother-in-law helping!! HELPING!!!!

      and the illegal shotgun? it was illegal because the barrel was to short! being trained in firearms, i guess you would really need a bigger shot pattern! it really does not look good if you miss----with a shot gun!

      at any rate, wives #1 and #2 got a divorce. and after wife #4 disappeared, a 18 year old girl moves in with him!!!! knowing full well that wife #3 died and #4 was just RECENTLY missing!!! but what the hell, let's roll the dice!!! again. seems drew does not like to be without female company!

      (what is that old line about how 'beauty fades but dumb is forever'????!!)

      and there is even the part of where a tv news anchorwoman was going out to see him, and was photographed/filmed in her bikini, getting in/out of the pool with him, going in and out of his house. on several occasions! she was ostensibly getting the inside story!!!! (i'm sure that wasn't all she was getting!) she was quickly fired from her anchor job (on chicago's NBC station(?)). it wasn't the way they got their stories. well, it was the way she got hers!!! errrr, story!

      say what you want, creepy looking or not, this guy is a real babe magnet!!!

      it is like fish jumping into the boat!! and he is still tied up to the dock!!

        #2.9 - Wed Aug 1, 2012 5:35 AM EDT
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        If we convicted everyone on hearsay and circumstantial evidence, we'd all be in jail!

        Do I personally think he's guilty, yes...however, the prosecution has no hard evidence. So, convicting a person on believing it and not proving it is not what our judicial system is based on!

        • 9 votes
        Reply#3 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:49 AM EDT

        Please! There is overwhelming circumstantial evidence and YES people are convicted often on heavy circumstantial evidence. All I am praying for is a good, fair selection of jurors that plan to stay for the long hall and deliberate appropriately unlike the jurors on the Casey Anthony case. Lucky Jose Baez!

        • 8 votes
        #3.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:05 AM EDT

        You are very much mistaken (or watch too much TV) if you believe a person cannot be convicted based on circumstancial evidence. Granted, it's usually not as convincing as direct evidence but juries are allowed to consider it. A jury may not find it credible, or relevant, or convincing, but it's not inadmissable just because it's circumstancial.

        • 15 votes
        #3.2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:56 AM EDT

        Why, because of a movie you saw on the Lifetime channel? That is the man-hater channel, all it ever shows are movies about rotten husbands that end up getting screwed ......for being criminals, no, for being rotten husbands...not for any other reason. As far as I know that is not felonious in any state, not even Illinois. That channel is for nasty women who hate what they can't have, a husband off their own, so they condemn everyone they have an opportunity to, and that they love.

        • 5 votes
        #3.3 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:28 PM EDT

        All you have to do is look into this story a little bit to see what's going on here. I don't watch Lifetime lol.

        • 5 votes
        #3.4 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:37 PM EDT

        The reason that there is no "Hard Evidence" is that he was a crooked police officer and had his buddies destroy the evidence that would have supportted the murder charge. As a Police Officer, I hope that he gets convicted and that he and Bubba live happily ever after

        • 8 votes
        #3.5 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:13 PM EDT

        Jumpmaster: speak for yourself. If hearsay always led to convictions, there would indeed be many people in jail. But we wouldn't ALL be in jail. Even though he appears to be guilty as sin, he does have the right to a fair trial. But enough circumstantial evidence and hearsay can lead to a conviction.

        • 2 votes
        #3.6 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:22 PM EDT

        I may have a little bit more information than many because I live two miles from BB where Drew Peterson lives.

        Drew cheated on his first wife so she divorced him a few years into the marriage. She has remained quiet throughout this ordeal. His second wife charged him on numerous occasions with domestic violence only to drop the charges before she finally divorced him. He was already dating Kathleen by the time his divorce was finalized. She also made the same accusations of abuse shortly after their marraige - and in fact shared with family members that she feared for her life. Drew and Kathleen were pretty much history - all but the property settlement - when she died. They were due back in court in just a few days when she was found dead in the bathtub with not a drop of water in the tub. The autopsy showed death by drowning. Drew went over to talk to Kathleen that night and when no one opened the door after he knocked, he went next door to get a neighbor to enter the house with him. SOMEHOW he knew she was home but apparently knew he would need a witness when he entered the house. He instructed the neighbor to check upstairs while he checked downstairs. Of course, it was the neighbor who found Kathleen in an upstairs bathroom.

        The talk around town is that other fellow officers covered up things when Kathleen was found dead but by the time that Stacey disappeared they weren't going to stick their necks out again. Drew was "told" to retire or resign from the department shortly after Stacey disappeared. He chose retirement even though it meant a loss in retirement pay instead of waiting a few months to get his full retirement pay.

        First, there may not be any "hard evidence" because he ws a cop that knew how to cover his tracks but there is a ton of circumstantial evidence. As someone said, an individual can be convicted on circumstantial evidence.

        Drew Peterson is as cocky as they come - I pulled up beside him at a stop light shortly before he was arrested. He was riding high on his motorcycle - every fiber of his body was saying "look at me - I am the king". I wouldn't say he is ugly or even hideous - more like a once good looking guy getting old -but he definitely a cock sure attitude that clearly shines through.

        A few things stick out in my mind. Stacy, his 4th wife, by everyone's accounts was not the type that would walk away and leave her babies but yet that is what Drew is claiming she did. She "supposedly left her babies and her entire family behind to take off with another man. Not one person who knew her says she is capable of doing that. Yet, with all her pictures that have been published in papers all over the U.S. and on the internet reaching outside this country, no one has ever seen her. She had already shared with family members that she was going to leave Drew and that she was frightened for her life. She often related to her sister as well as a pastor of her fears for her life. The pastor has given his statement to the police that Stacey came to see him and told him that Drew had confessed to her that he killed Kathleen and that he could do the same to her and knew how to get away with it. Why didn't she go to the police. He was the police. Who would they believe - one of their own or a wife who was getting ready to divorce her husband? Everyone is sure that Stacey is dead and the pastor felt an obligation to reveal their conversation in the early days just in case she was still alive somewhere and in danger.

        Next point, Drew's brother-in-law came forward to tell them that he feared he had helped Drew dispose of Stacey's body because Drew had enlisted him to help carry a 55 gal drum from their master bedroom on the day she disappeared. Drew's defense team has thrown out that the man USED to be an alcoholic so is not a reliable witness. He is and has been sober for several years so why would he recant such an event if it didn't happen. Also, repair men who went to the house saw a blue 55 gal drum sitting in the Peterson's garage just days before Stacey's disappearance.

        Drew owns (or owned at that time) an airplane that was parked at a very small local airport right outside of Bolingbrook. He took that plane out on the day that Stacey disappeared.

        Stacey was just a baby when she met Drew Peterson who was more than twice her age. He charmed his way into her life, even buying her a car, but then he began to control her every movement. He is so typical of an abuser - and sadly, the same end result when someone decides to get out. Almost all deaths that occur from a domestic violence incident happen when the victim has finally decided to leave. When the abuser realizes they have lost control, they totally lose it. This happened with Nicole and O.J. and it happened with Drew and Stacey. Pure greed was behind Kathleen's murder. Drew was furious when he realized that Kathleen was going to take their home and his pension as well. There was already a report on file where he broke into his old home and attacked Kathleen - telling her she should die. He just made it happen a few weeks later.

        • 15 votes
        #3.7 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:19 PM EDT

        Dlynn: your little account is why we do not allow hearsay of rumor to be the basis of convictions. If the death was by drowning, wouldn't the original autopsy have evidence of that drowning. Was the original coroner so incompetent as to not find the evidence that you apparently have been able to find ?

        I won't go into the various people who say they heard the third wife say that she heard Drew Peterson say something about the second wife. Hearsay is bad enough when you are unable to confront your accuser, when you get into triple hearsay, you may as well say rumor.

        I don't know what your rambling about the brother-in-law of the fourth wife and the airplane and the age of the fourth wife have to do with the death of Kathleen Savio-Peterson, the one this trial is about. The same apples to Drew Peterson's retirement and his airplane ownership. You see, when you start to ramble about rumors, you end up confusing FACT with fiction. A trial should be about fact, not rumor.

        Of course, if you want to just go on rumor, heck string him up, right next to Mitt Romney (for being a lying thief.)

        • 1 vote
        #3.8 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:25 PM EDT

        Mitt Romney being a lying thief IS fact.

        • 1 vote
        #3.9 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:59 PM EDT

        KARMA Or God Drew Peterson!PICK!

          #3.11 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 12:47 PM EDT
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          This trial should be very interesting...

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          Reply#4 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:53 AM EDT

          only if he rolls over ....................:)

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          #4.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:19 PM EDT
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          They will never convict him. From what I have seen and read, I believe he possibly could have done this. I do not believe the prosecution has the evidence.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#5 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:02 AM EDT

          I do not believe the prosecution has the evidence.

          and since when does that matter? the city HAS to convict,its broke and the sharks ....er lawyers....would have a feeding frenzy from his incarceration prior to trial.

            #5.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:23 PM EDT

            Scottmtm,

            I agree with you, as long as Drew keeps saying 'I didn't do it', and other then that keeps his trap shut he will walk.

            • 2 votes
            #5.2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:52 PM EDT

            That is 100% correct. I'm a retired police detective & have investigated many, many, many deaths. Remember we are just citizen onlookers in this case, but from everything I have seen, there is not one shred of real evidence to convict the guy. (There may be more evidence that the police & prosecuters have that we have not seen yet.) I'm not saying he didn't do it or he did do it, but if a jury convicts him on this crap, he will just win on an appeal. Around here, the state's attorney would never have brought such a weak case to trail. This case is dead for the prosecution in ref to any real solid evidence. It's just the he said/she said crap. They are just going forward with the prosecution now to take a desperate shot and to make it the worst possible case scenerio for the defendant to go through, period.....

            • 3 votes
            #5.3 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

            BRTCARGUY - Actually, the Will County Prosecutor wouldn't press charges either - when it happened and now we have another young mother dead because Peterson wasn't behind bars. You know and I know that the police most likely have evidence they have not shared with the public. With that said, I'm elated that he has spent the last year in jail - and hopefully it will be many more.

              #5.4 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:36 PM EDT

              Dlynn: your speculation is why this case is going forward. I bet you actually believe that the state could not possibly try to railroad someone, like the 17 CONVICTED KILLERS who, it was later proven with DNA evidence, could not have possibly committed the crime.

              I find it very interesting that several of the overturned convictions in the state of Illinois have come from Will County. Will and DuPage county prosecutors are known for not letting the facts get in the way of a conviction.

                #5.5 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:32 PM EDT

                TO give drew a hard time by going to trial seems like tax payer money well spent!

                even when there is so little of it to go around!! DUH????!!!

                to go to trial with so little ammo is sad. there is no double jeopardy! so if he gets off, he walks.

                better to wait until they can get a better case.

                  #5.6 - Wed Aug 1, 2012 5:55 AM EDT
                  Reply

                  Who has not heard about this story? Will he get a fair trial? We can only hope. Will he be convicted? We shall see.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#6 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:08 AM EDT

                  This man is as guilty of the murder of his wife as home made sin! He should be locked away so that he can never hoodwink another stupid, heart-on-her-sleeve girl/woman who has the misfortune of coming in contact with him! After he is found guilty of this murder he should be charged with the murder of his 4th wife as well. Drew Peterson is just plain EVIL!

                  • 6 votes
                  Reply#7 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:16 AM EDT

                  some women have no taste....but like the old commercial use to say.. whatta you want? good taste or taste good?................:)

                    #7.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:28 PM EDT

                    And you are privy to all of this information, how? Are you another Man-hater?

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:32 PM EDT

                    He will still have women writing to him while he's in prison. One of them will probably eventually marry him in prison. Maybe even a female guard. Some women think the jail website in their state is a dating site. Go figure!

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.3 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:01 PM EDT

                    you got it freedom, weird isn't it? turns out Forrest has been right all along......you may have a cookie......................

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.4 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:23 PM EDT

                    He had a girlfriend while the investigation was going on, a young, naive-looking girl in her 20s, I believe? I wonder if she got some common sense pounded into her brain and left him by now.

                    • 2 votes
                    #7.5 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:25 PM EDT

                    Daniel Calc as a matter of fact, I love men. Would much rather associate with men than women. And no, I am not privy to any information that you can't get but I do go a lot by gut instinct. My gut tells me to never, NEVER go near a man like that and to keep myself safe, I follow my gut! How about you? Don't you have just a little bit of 'feeling' about his guilt? Maybe you should become his best friend and offer to testify for him in court. HA! Or are you just devil's advocate?

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.6 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:43 PM EDT

                    Hot in Miami - Yes, his girlfriend has left Drew. Her father was very vocal about telling anyone and everyone that he was totally against his daughter's relationship so I am sure her family was finally able to talk some sense into her.

                      #7.7 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:40 PM EDT
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                      By presenting what they regard as overwhelming hearsay and circumstantial evidence, Zellner said prosecutors will want to show jurors the only possible explanation for Savio's death is that Peterson killed her.

                      Well, I don't know much about this trial, but that statement right there says, it big flaming letters of molten steel, that the jury will automatically have a case for reasonable doubt, making this trial a joke, no matter which way it goes.

                      Three wives, yes, very suspicious, and indeed, quite likely that he did it, at least on two of them since even the prosecutors say it's possible that #2 ran away, but the burden of proof is still on the prosecution.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#8 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:18 AM EDT

                      He might be guilty, but there is no evidence. Innocent until PROVEN GUILTY! Good luck with that.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#9 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:22 AM EDT

                      From what I understand the responding officer to the scene of Savio's death didn't follow protocol because she was "found" by Drew Peterson, who was also law enforcement. Therefore no evidence was collected, which clearly hampers the prosecution's case. At the very least that officer should have been penalized for his egregious lack in judgement.

                      The coroner changed the cause of death from accidental to homicide after exhumation of Savio's body, which they don't often do. Given the CSI effect on juries today, the DA must have concluded there was enough to proceed to trial.

                      • 4 votes
                      #9.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:55 PM EDT

                      At the very least that officer should have been penalized for his egregious lack in judgement.

                      remember where this is taking place?!?.....good luck with that.............:)

                      • 3 votes
                      #9.2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:25 PM EDT
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                      Don't like him but what about the law. Just because someone is a jerk or we dont like them does not count. Innocent until proven guilty. If he is acquitted think of all that money he will get for wrongful imprisonment

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#10 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:32 AM EDT

                      the law in america doesnt matter. its a joke. mere suspicion is sufficient to convict a man to prison for life. its just like the salem witch trials. do you think americans learned any lessons from that?

                      they did not, you fool! americans are so, so much dumber than you think. mere suspicion is enough to convict a man to death.

                      • 3 votes
                      #10.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:10 PM EDT

                      The facts will convict him.

                      • 1 vote
                      #10.2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:42 PM EDT

                      Some people whom we believe to be quite guilty (OJ and Casey Anthony) got off. And some people who were convicted of crimes were innocent. It's an imperfect system that needs reform as everything else in this country and every other country. But I still rather have a 12 person jury of my peers instead of just 1 judge deciding my fate like in countries such as Singapore.

                      • 4 votes
                      #10.3 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:58 PM EDT

                      ian, Why don't you say where you're from? From your statements, you have no real knowledge of the legal system in the U.S. and sound like an obnoxious foreign ass. A mere doubt can set a killer free much easier than mere suspicion will convict a man to death. There are mistakes made, but I'm sure that doesn't happen in the rat hole you're from!

                      • 4 votes
                      #10.4 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:33 PM EDT

                      ian is a TROLL, pure and simple; no one can have an opinion that differs from him/her (I suspect 'him') or the result is constant badgering.

                      I would say - ignore it, and maybe it'll go away.

                      • 3 votes
                      #10.5 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:18 PM EDT

                      Jennifer: if there were facts, then I would have no problem with a conviction. Unfortunately, this "case" is based on rumor, conjecture, and a whole lot of hearsay.

                      The problem with hearsay is that it denies a defendant the fundamental right to confront his accuser.

                      If we are going to convict based solely on hearsay and conjecture, without any facts to back them up, we may as well not have a trial and just put people on pikes based on rumors. Even Jesus Christ had the right to confront his accusers.

                        #10.6 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:39 PM EDT
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                        I have no comment -- other than Peterson must have problems with women. I've been through an abusive husband who has no respect for women, and I've also had a great guy and a good 16-years of marriage to him. He passed away last year, but I would be afraid to marry again for fear I might get the abusive kind. The abusive kind come on as wonderful until you marry them. Believe me, men are different. If Peterson is guilty, I hope he pays dearly. Most men that abuse women are cowards.

                        • 15 votes
                        Reply#11 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:39 AM EDT

                        Most men that abuse women are cowards.

                        so very very true but leave out the "most" part still.....you may have a cookie

                        but I would be afraid to marry again for fear I might get the abusive kind.

                        thiat would be a sad lonely life, you know the signs, never limit yourself girl. there are still a few of us good guys out here. first sign of trouble, split. that goes for all ladies reading this, he will not change,.... i repeat ...HE WILL NOT CHANGE. ...if you find yourself in the type of situation Gerri mentioned. GTFO.......

                        • 10 votes
                        #11.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:38 PM EDT

                        Gerri, I'm sorry for what you went through, not all men are bad. However, I know what you went through it took me 24 yrs to remarry and we're in it 15 months and I have been given the gift of bruises under my arm and recently pushed into the kitchen counter which left both forearms really badly bruised. I did not see it coming. I was divorced at 23 and I feel stupid. My daughter is/was dating a Mississippi cop and he's broke down her front door, shoved her and such. She has even said to me she can go to no one. Him and his felloe officers are 25 and older dating 19 yr old girls taking them to bars (UNDERAGE DRINKING< HELLO) nothing will happen to them.

                        • 2 votes
                        #11.2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:40 PM EDT

                        I have been there so I know where you're coming from. My suggestion? Just have a relationship without marrying or living together. That way, if he does a 360 and turns into an @$$, you tell him to stop calling you and don't have to deal with him or see him ever again, instead of dealing with a contested divorce, the threats, the inability to get him out of your house, and having to give up 50% of your assets in divorce court. This lets you have some degree of control, rather than putting yourself in a vulnerable, powerless position. I'm not telling you what to do, but simply, providing you with an idea so you can still have a relationship without feeling trapped, which is what I'm trying to do in my own life.

                        • 2 votes
                        #11.3 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:30 PM EDT

                        An awful lot of widows and divorcees never remarry. Once you have been used and abused in the name of "love" why go back. All most men want is a live in hooker and maid/slave. Why would anyone voluntarily go back to that?

                        • 2 votes
                        #11.4 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:21 PM EDT

                        never: if your daughter has not left the guy and he is still like that, she needs to leave him. As to the cops supposedly protecting their own, if they have any integrity, they won't. Once they see reality, they know very much your daughter could be their daughter and they won't allow it to continue.

                        If she complains and nothing happens with the city cops, call the county or the state, those guys don't take no @!$%# from no one.

                        • 1 vote
                        #11.5 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:46 PM EDT

                        but the 'girlfriend' moved in and out several times before leaving for good!

                        it took a while!! 'dumb is forever.........."

                          #11.6 - Wed Aug 1, 2012 6:03 AM EDT

                          HOT IN MIAMI.

                          why does that title/handle just not fit the picture of you trying to have a good relationship? gee, i don't know, but somehow hanging yourself out there with ''HOT IN MIAMI" just doesn't fit very well.

                          it seems you are sending out, yet again, mixed signals.

                          and you wonder why it doesn't work. perhaps professional help might help you sort it out. we can only hope.

                            #11.7 - Wed Aug 1, 2012 6:08 AM EDT
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                            WOW!!!! This guy...ex police officer is just now going on trial??? Five years after the latest murder??? I wonder if the average American would have a five year hiatus before going on trial???

                            Maybe he was being allowed to die of natural causes before going on trial...BULLSHYYYT???

                            • 6 votes
                            Reply#12 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:43 AM EDT

                            cop.....chicago....and you expected?...........................

                            • 6 votes
                            #12.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:39 PM EDT

                            Technically the fourth wife is missing. No body = no murder. Sad, but true. The reason it has taken so long is because they have been going back and forth with motions mostly about whether or not hearsay evidence would be allowed. That is a big part of the prosecution's case, so they need it to be allowed. I wish they could prove what happened to the fourth wife so they could try him for that too.

                            • 2 votes
                            #12.2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:26 PM EDT

                            Actually, not quite true. More than one person has been convicted of murder without a body.

                            • 1 vote
                            #12.3 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:02 PM EDT
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                            Who better to stage a crime scene than someone associated closely with law enforcement? Is he guilty? Probably. But, our judicial system is such that he must be tried before a jury of his peers. I hope justice is served.

                            • 3 votes
                            Reply#13 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:55 AM EDT

                            I dont know all the ins and outs of this case cause it has just dragged out way too long but does he look sinister - yes, is he arrogant - yes, did he kill this wife - probably, but last I heard you cant convict someone on *probably*. Yes people can be convicted on circumstantial evidence (like Casey Anthony should have been) but in this case apparently the Prosecution has no way of specifically tying Drew Peterson to her death. He has the advantage of being an ex-cop thus knowing ways to cover his tracks not only in this death but in the disappearance of his last wife. If he could be convicted on the smart-azz look on his face he would be convicted in a second. But that is not how the law works. So I wont be surprised if he is acquitted and tries to use this case to write a book and to soak up more of the limelight that he has enjoyed thus far. I just hope every woman out there takes a good long look at him and if he gets out not go near him with a ten foot pole.

                            • 3 votes
                            #13.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:23 PM EDT

                            lawful1,

                            Not true, he could choose a bench trial (judge only), but he probably will not. If I was in his shoes in this case I would though, most judges do not like cicumstantial evidence to make a trial.

                            • 1 vote
                            #13.2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:04 PM EDT
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                            I share the same view as many folks in here... NOW he's going on trial!??

                            WTF?

                            And our judicial system wonders why the American public keeps laughing at them.

                            • 8 votes
                            Reply#14 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:04 PM EDT

                            its not a judicial system its a criminal court system, BIG difference................

                            • 1 vote
                            #14.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:43 PM EDT

                            The court system IS the judicial system.

                              #14.2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:53 PM EDT

                              different Branch's of a redundant system....justice can and often is bought.....course depending on your train of thought .............

                                #14.3 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:16 PM EDT
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                                At the very least, could someone please, please beat the living guts, snot & crap out of that POS & wipe that smirk off his face.

                                • 7 votes
                                Reply#15 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:14 PM EDT

                                protective custody.....nuff said....would be nice though..........................:)

                                • 2 votes
                                #15.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:45 PM EDT
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                                So no one at all has heard from his last wife? Why would she not come forward? Missing 5 years without a trace. So the theory is that a 23 year old created a whole new identity and ran away with another man? And no one has heard from her at all? That's very odd indeed.

                                • 4 votes
                                Reply#16 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:25 PM EDT

                                It is odd because it is a pack of lies, and he is smirking because he thinks he is going to walk.

                                • 10 votes
                                #16.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:35 PM EDT

                                Yeah and didn't she tell a priest and her sister that if "I end up gone he killed me." Then they made that peterson's law or whatever..

                                Too bad they cannot use that in his case or can they?

                                • 2 votes
                                #16.2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:36 PM EDT

                                Very odd, yes. But if you asked his attorney's, I'm sure they'd say but not beyond the realm of possibility. Anyway, since that is a different case all together, it likely won't even be mentioned during his trial.

                                • 1 vote
                                #16.3 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:41 PM EDT

                                maybe they can get the ghost whisperer on it, at least we would get to see Jennifer.......beat the hell out of looking at this smug schmuck...............................:)

                                • 1 vote
                                #16.4 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:48 PM EDT

                                And no one has heard from her at all? That's very odd indeed.

                                not if your a tad bit on the dead side...............................:)

                                • 3 votes
                                #16.5 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:49 PM EDT

                                Odd to me since he's been in custody Stacy has not came forward after "running off with another man". One would think she'd like to see her children and family who haven't heard anything from here since she "R-U-N-N-O-F-TEED".

                                • 3 votes
                                #16.6 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:36 PM EDT
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                                IAN--what middle east country are you from?????????????????????

                                • 5 votes
                                Reply#17 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:30 PM EDT

                                dont know if hes from the ME but .....shariah law....stoning....drew .....yep that works..........:)

                                ( if of course he is found guilty, i vote we try out this whole shariah gig, just this one time)..............:)

                                  #17.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:55 PM EDT
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                                  What happened to the blue barrel the other guy helped him with, that was so heavy? Stacy was dead in that barrel....you can be sure. But what did they do with it? I agree that this guy is a psychopath, narcissistic...laughs at everything, dead wives, etc. The defense is full of baloney...you know that he killed her. She said if anything happened to her, that was what would have happened.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#18 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:40 PM EDT

                                  Jennifer? the ghost whisperer? is that you?......................:)

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #18.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:59 PM EDT

                                  Drew's own stepbrother tried to commit suicide after fearing he may have helped dispose of her body. His name is Thomas Morphey. Goolgle Drew Peterson, Mims, and Thomas Morphey all together and you'll find the reports.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #18.2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:38 PM EDT

                                  Jennifer - After his brother-in-law helped him move the blue barrell from the master bedroom - and back to his vehicle in the garage, the brother-in-law never saw it again. Drew denied it being in the garage even though workers at the home saw it several days before Stacey's disappearance. Speculation is that Drew drove to the tiny local airport outside of Bolingbrook and loaded the barrell into his plane. There is no telling where he dumped the barrell before he returned to the airport. Also, his cell phone was drawing pings from a location close to a waterway between Lockport and Romeoville (adjacent towns). A search team came in from TX and checked the entire area - including the water - but again locals believe he did this to throw everyone off He claimed he was not in that area the day she disappeared. You have to admit, it was a smart move on his part. Go to a location where you know her body is not and then claim you were never there to draw suspicion. This occurred in the evening hours AFTER he flew back into the small airport.

                                  Personally, I think they may have more evidence linking him to Stacey's death than they do Kathleen's but as long as he is behind bars, other women are safe.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #18.3 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:52 PM EDT
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                                  He is the perfect criminal...he has been right in the middle of crimes and criminal behavior so what better educated person with this better than college background with years of experience in the field that he can set everything up, stage everything, kill and hide the body of his latest wife and stage and set up the death of his former wife..folks if for one minute you don't think this guy is the best criminal around you are all deaf and blind. You have hard the term the "perfect crime" he is the perfect criminal. And he is obnoxious, confident and is a sociopath who believes totally in what he says..you have to believe (sic) in what you say otherwise you appear suspicious..the spin on TV right now from his attorney is that "he loves his children and wouldn't harm the mothers of his children"...bulls--t!!!!!!!...since when does that have anythinbg have to do with the case..there is physical and emotional abuse everyday to mothers and fathers of children that they LOVE...the only people that will loose here is his children..but I hope to God that they find him guilty and take his children away from him and give them a life that provides safety and truth..he doesn't know the meaning...

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#19 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:44 PM EDT

                                  Sociopaths don't kill people. He's a psychopath. There is a difference. Bernie Madoff is a sociopath.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #19.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:49 PM EDT

                                  perfect criminal?...in jail, now trial.......evidently not.................:)

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #19.2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:01 PM EDT

                                  IAScooter.. which side are you actually on?

                                    #19.3 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:41 PM EDT

                                    Sociopaths can and do kill people.

                                      #19.4 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:04 PM EDT
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                                      I think I will scream if this creep gets off! His poor kids! My sympathies to all his kids, and of course, his wives!

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#20 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:45 PM EDT

                                      Does anyone know how this psychopath explained a DRY bathtub as an apparent drowning?

                                      • 3 votes
                                      Reply#21 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:47 PM EDT

                                      A lot of tubs and sinks will slowly drain out, as the stopper doesn't have a good seal or the o-ring is bad or missing. After so much time, the water would slowly drain away, hours or a day or two, depending on how bad it was leaking.

                                        #21.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:00 PM EDT

                                        thank you Steve, im certain that's what happened..... it was that "o" ring not the "oh @!$%#" ring....................:)

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #21.2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:06 PM EDT

                                        Do you know when the last time he claimed he saw her alive before finding her in the tub?

                                          #21.3 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:06 PM EDT

                                          Do you know when the last time he claimed he saw her alive before finding her in the tub?

                                          right before her "accident"..????..............................:)

                                          let me know if i win.....................:)

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #21.4 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:30 PM EDT

                                          He had visitation rights with his and Kathleen's two sons. He picked them up for the weekend and just happened to go back by himself to check on Kathleen. Of course, he made sure he wasn't the one that found her but the neighbor next door that he talked into going into the house with him. He was so sure she was in trouble that he had a locksmith come to the house to open the door. All by the book. As someone said, he didn't even try to explain how the bathtub was dry - he let others say it. Unfortunately, his fellow officers back then didn't even look at Drew as a suspect - but when Stacey disappeared, it was a wake up call for them. None backed him up this time around. No one could even tried to explain how she was covered in bruises. No only did she drown, but she must have thrown herself around the bathtub before falling in the last time.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #21.5 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:00 PM EDT

                                          I bet he didn't plan on the water draining out of the tub...but that's what I think happened.

                                            #21.6 - Wed Aug 1, 2012 3:05 AM EDT
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                                            okay....he and the neighbors found his wife dead...there is a big time gap in between,,the time gap alone just makes him look guilty,,,how convenient to have waited for the neighbors just to discover the body....looks like he staged the whole thing

                                            • 3 votes
                                            Reply#22 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:50 PM EDT

                                            He didn't "stage" a damn thing - his friends in the Bolingbrook PD did all that for him. She was found face down in a dry bathtub with her head smashed. They all decided it was an accident right away (one of Peterson's friends even admtted this), then made up a story to explain what they found. Can you imagine if a "civilian" made up a story like his? "Let's see...she could have fallen backwards, smashed the back of her head on the edge of the tub, then rolled over, then drowned, then all the water drained out of the tub. Yeah, that's it".

                                            This is no criminal mastermind here, folks. If the "referee" is a member of your team, and you know he won't call a foul on you, you can hack away all you want with no finesse at all.

                                            • 7 votes
                                            #22.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:57 PM EDT
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                                            How is the big boy doing? Trial by internet and the media! Anyone could be convicted or vindicated, just depends on which way the publicity spins. A great age we live in. George Orwell missed it by a couple of years.

                                              Reply#23 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:55 PM EDT

                                              I love to see this guy hang.

                                              • 2 votes
                                              Reply#24 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:56 PM EDT

                                              hang what?....................:)

                                              ( yes i know and no im not a member of the vine S&G PD.)

                                                #24.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:10 PM EDT

                                                Stop trolling and at least contribute something besides smarta$$ remarks IAScooter.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #24.2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:03 PM EDT
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                                                It is hard to imagine a serial killer murdering wife after wife and getting away with it. I pray the prosecution has a strong STRONG case!

                                                The circumstances are compelling and he seems extremely arrrogant rather than bewildered, as I would be if my spouses kept kicking off under peculiar(suspicious) circumstances.

                                                • 7 votes
                                                Reply#25 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:59 PM EDT

                                                It is hard to imagine

                                                its easy if you try...no hell below us...above us only sky............:)

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #25.1 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:11 PM EDT

                                                Fail.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #25.2 - Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:20 PM EDT
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