Well, except for the black gloves...in Miami...in July.

flbikerchick

Well, except for the black gloves...in Miami...in July.

Yes exactly, this is strange to the least.

And this is the best part, this time some people took action, and kudos to them!

Several men held Martin down while waiting for police.

Well it is hard to judge idiots I guess.

This man could have had the gloves on because he thought a fist-fight was possible with the guy that was texting. This has gone a little far and should no way be national news. Drop the charges and chalk it up as a lesson learned.

Eh, black leather gloves are common for both bikers and people who wear driving gloves. I actually see more people wearing driving gloves in warmer climates than I do cooler climates, since sweaty hands and poor grip (from being a pansy or just lack of hand strength) makes driving a bit difficult.

I know when i put on my gloves for my motorcycle, I tend to put them on in advance of the place I'm leaving.

It changed my word and then wouldn't allow me to correct it! Wtf? Lmfao!

Anyways

So he had his girl friend there and the daughter of the girl friend, he knew where they were sitting. How far away could the friend have been sitting he was yelling for ?

This is THE BEST STORY he could come up with?

When I am looking for a friend in a dark crowded theater just days after 12 people were murdered at the same movie i always yell out.

"THIS IS IT"

instead of the persons name.

What's with the pansy comment? Live in the Ozarks? Get an education Wes.

I had a similar experience when my husband and I went to watch Batman the Sunday after the shooting. Some guy came in and yell something. I immediately froze. Apparently he's yelling to a friend. Come on people, nobody should be pulling any kind of "stunt" like this after what has happened. Everyone's still jumpy and anxious about the possibility of having a copy cat. Also, it is a movie theater, if you are looking for your friend or wanting to talk to them, go out and excuse yourself...we pay a lot of money to enjoy the movies.

Several men held Martin down while waiting for police.

So when this guy either isn't charged with anything, or gets off of whatever flimsy charges he gets to sue those men who assaulted him.

Wonder if the police will file assault charges...other wise this country will quickly become the wild west.

"Why did you beat that guy up" says police officer

"Cause he was wearing a hoodie and some black gloves" says some moron

Yeah freedom...

Seriously Chloe? No one should raise their voice in a movie theater after the movie's over? Maybe you should build yourself an underground home and not come out for a few years since you seem to be scared of your own shadow.

Paranoia. People all over this country are paranoid. Bunch of nonsense.

Hard to believe a guy in a track suit & wanna be gangsta wiseguy Mob hat

Catjmj - He did that mid-movie. I don't care if people chat, talk or do whatever they want before and/or after the movie.

It probably would not have been that difficult to cause a riot anyway with everyone being on edge so soon after that mass shooting incident in Colorado. They were watching the same movie and probably all had that incident in the back of their minds. Something as simple as a car backfiring outside the theater might have set them off.

Chloe - he said he did it after the movie while the credits were running. Where did you see he said that mid-movie?

I live in Las Vegas and I see a lot of guy wearing leather gloves while they are riding the motorcycles as it provides a better grip. When I was riding I would wear gloves in the heat just of the sweat. I should also say that I see a number of people wearing driving gloves while driving autos.

Chloe18 - in the article above it mentioned that he yelled out to his friend at the end of the movie and not during the movie while everybody was watching. In the first article that NBCNews ran about this it made mention that they could smell alcohol on him so maybe he had been drinking which could have hindered his thought process about that he shouldn't have been yelling in the theater.

So, you leave the theater after an altercation? You come back to the theater wearing black leather gloves? And then you proceed to yell "this is it!" from the back of the theater?

You lack a serious judgement of common sense given the world we live in and are lucky one of Miami's locals didn't put one in you. I know I'm packing and that may have been enough for me to make a draw.

Catjmj and Dean-3349430- I was commenting about my own experience, which I shared in my original post. I guess timing makes a huge difference - with this guy it was at the end of the movie as you said and my experience during the movie. I agree with J-Doggin, it boils down to somebody's judgement and common sense.

I wonder how fast the DA is going to kick him loose? Nothing here to hold him on this is really weak. The guy isn't the brightest but being stupid still isn't a crime..........if it was Congress would all be arrested.

Like I said he had been drinking and when you've been drinking it has been proven that common sense is out the door.

Chloe18 - read your comment above and you said mid-movie.

Catjmj and Dean - sorry if I am confusing you. Below was my very first comment:

"I had a similar experience when my husband and I went to watch Batman the Sunday after the shooting. Some guy came in and yell something. I immediately froze. Apparently he's yelling to a friend. Come on people, nobody should be pulling any kind of "stunt" like this after what has happened. Everyone's still jumpy and anxious about the possibility of having a copy cat. Also, it is a movie theater, if you are looking for your friend or wanting to talk to them, go out and excuse yourself...we pay a lot of money to enjoy the movies."

In my experience, he yelled mid-movie because apparently he couldn't find where his friend was seated.

I know I'm packing and that may have been enough for me to make a draw.

Then that would make you the biggest risk to everyone in the theatre and the one the police would arrest when they got there. I can see it now as the people around you seeing you holding your gun start screaming and panicking. I believe in the 2nd amendment and the CHL laws and have my own license but if that is all it takes for you to pull your gun out then you should rethink whether you should be carrying.

gtouch - I din't say I would pull the trigger. He probably would of even know I had pulled it. Pulling a fire arm is an event of escalation. I've never done it. I hope I never have to. But given the circumstances, if the situation required it, I would. in this particular situation, I probably would have un-holstered and discretely held my weapon. Should the event have escalated, I would have taken further action. The police and other attendees would have been unaware of my action unless the situation took a turn for the worse.

It is called common sense with the ability to equally protect myself. Others should try it.

And given Chloe18's remark, I wouldn't have even given it a thought to pull my fire arm.

jacques-1731546

What's wrong with living in the Ozarks?

Why does someone texting in a theater bother anyone, is it the bright screen or something?

When they are driving and I can tell they are texting from my car it does bother me, so I try to stay away from them.

What would have happened if everyone did have a gun in that theater, as the Republicans are suggesting the way things should be.

Farmer Smith,

"What would have happened if everyone did have a gun in that theater, as the Republicans are suggesting how things should be."

That's a very good question. It would probably be a return of the old "Wild West", a scene from "Shoot Out at the OK Corral".

Yes, Farmer it's the light that is bothersome.

That's a very good question. It would probably be a return of the old "wild west", a scene from "Shoot Out at the OK Coral

I'm thinking it would have been more like that bar scene in Inglorious Basterds where everyone but the actress gets killed. Tear gas plus body armor, a dark theater and panicked crowds? What could possibly go wrong?

I din't say I would pull the trigger.

Then you shouldn't even be drawing your weapon. Have you taken a gun safety course? Or are you one of those idiots that likes carrying a weapon because it makes them feel macho?

I bet ya Idaho doesn't have this problem ... with their Militia and all ..............

A nation of idiots ...........

lolfattynerdswhoknew,

"I'm thinking it would have been more like that bar scene in Inglorious Basterds where everyone but the actress gets killed."

I'm not familiar with that movie, but it sounds like a good suggestion. At any rate, it would be chaos.

I disagree that his argument is plausible. Who yells in a movie theater "This is it" DURING the movie while wearing black gloves? If he was looking for a friend he'd be yelling the name or walking down the isle trying to find them, he wouldn't be yelling something random like that nor would he have left to put on gloves. The guy was an idiot, absolutely, but he's not the 'victim' he's claiming to be.

Lyrica, if you had read the article or, if you did, have better than a third grade reading comprehension level, you would know that this did not occur DURING the movie, but AFTER. Absolutely plausible.

Bob - arent you kind of missing the point? If you change the word "during" to "after" in Lyrica's post, would it make a different point? No, you're just being a bully. Obviously there were still quite a few people there if a hundred people made a dash to leave the theater. You dont need to call people names or make them feel stupid because of one oversight, sheesh.

I spent 5 years in Florida. No surprise it gets very hot in the summer - gloves were a necessity to keep from scalding your hands some days. Now, it says this was at night, and I don't know what the temps were, but the mere fact he was wearing gloves in Florida is not alarming and in fact pretty common.

Actually there is a limit to free speech. You've heard the old saying "it's not okay to shout fire in a crowded theatre"? Well that's the limit of free speech and in essance that's exactly what he did. "This is it". I think the guy is really full of @!$%#. He knew he f'd up as soon as he said it and now he's backpeddling because his ass is on the line. So in view of all that I think the prosecutor has a case and should make this idiot an example.

Oh excuse me for not saying 'after', to me even if you are just watching the credits it's still during a movie so my definition may be different from yours, all mighty one. If you missed the point in your rush to condescend and only focused on that, then that's your own problem. Like Wisco stated, there was still quite a few people left to cause a panic which created a dangerous situation.

While in this article, the man says that he did this at the end of the movie, there are a few more articles that suggest that he possibly did this during the movie.

This is a quote from the original article two days ago, "Witnesses said Escamillo had left his seat during the movie and was going up and down the stairway several times, according to the affidavit."

Also, "

According to a Miami Beach Police arrest affidavit, 44-year-old David Martin Escamillo was at the Regal Movie Theater late Monday night when he got into an altercation with another moviegoer, left the theater and returned wearing black gloves and screamed "This is it!" from the back of the theater.

Escamillo's actions sent a hundred moviegoers fleeing for the exits, the affidavit said."

This doesn't sound like he got into an altercation in the restroom, it sounds like he got into an altercation in the theater itself. Screaming "This is it," from the back of the theater also doesn't sound like he was looking for his friend. This comes from the testimony of several witnesses. Also, if the movie was over, wouldn't he know where his friend was? Why would he need to scream at him?

If the movie was already over, wouldn't the people already be leaving for the exits? We saw the dark knight today, and almost no one stayed for the credits. When the movie was over, everyone got up and left. I just have a very hard time believing this man's story, versus what the witnesses and the cops are reporting.

Too many instances for this just to be happenstance. Some low-level thuggery to try to ruin the movie 's bottom-line or just some nut wanting to be seen. He should have been questioned extensively and fined thousands of dollars then maybe these nutjobs will stop thinking they are so clever. People could have been seriously injured in the resultant stampede. Who wears gloves in a heatwave anyway? He was clearly up to no good. He should be banned from that theater. Some people politicize everything, maybe he was paid to do it..Hmm...

lolfattynerdswhoknew - Have you taken a gun safety course?

As matter of fact I have and I have certificates in two states. And not once do I remember the instructor stating that if you pull your weapon you HAVE to shoot someone. I DO remember being told that if you pull your weapon you BETTER BE prepared to shoot as the situation has been escalated. Especially if you make your weapon known.

Living next to a violent area..... no, it does not make me feel more macho. It does however make feel more safe.

Have you ever seen someone get mugged? Have you ever had a gun pointed in your face? I don't care how macho you think you are, you feel like nothing when you become so helpless to your surroundings.

But go ahead, and attack me personally as it relates to the topic.

Or you can choose not to live in fear. I love books but, come on, they can't compare to a great movie, right?

Best of both worlds: stay home and rent the movie.

Better yet, stay at home and cower in your bathtub for the rest of your life for fear of the world ending.

Yes, his media proclamations are total B.S. He was drunk and foolish - lucky he wasn't shot as there were probably several people carrying concealed firearms in the theater. Actually, getting drunk and going to a movie is also illegal. It is public intoxication.

He may be an idiot, but I'm still trying to figure out how "This is it" is considered code for "I'm going to open fire on everyone". I understand that people are a bit skittish, but I seriously wouldn't have thought anything about it other than the guy was being obnoxious!

Okay, sorry for being a troll here but really??? Using "Not" to end a sarcastic comment went out in the 90's!!! Just sayin!!! :)

I thought Borat brought it back ;)

Using "Not" to end a sarcastic comment went out in the 90's!!!

I thought a SIF posting a profile pic of a hot chick went out in the 90's? Wait no, it didn't.

Borat totally brought that back. :)

What's the consensus on angry bird hats?

ummm The article said he didnt call out any of those things but the guy who HE told to stop texting played it off like he had a gun... All the weird looking old guy did was come back in to get his friend who was watching most likely the credits too see if anything happened and the dude said "this is it" meaning the movie is over and lets get the hell out of here.. Ive done this in mostly every movie when the person I am with makes me watch the stupid credits.

But is it OK to yell "THEATER" in a crowded fire?

Is being Hispanic illegal now?

first off, why doesn't he use his whole name? illegal? wanted? hispanic? afraid of being targeted because of your name??

Lots of people don't use their whole names. Could be for professional reasons, or maybe he's just tired of idiots mispronouncing Escamillo.

"first off, why doesn't he use his whole name? illegal? hispanic?"

I think you're really on to something there McGruff....

'Let's see, what's this guys name? Hah! Sounds hispanic,, case solved.'

jano - your entire rant is discredited by starting off focusing on why he doesnt use his last name. who cares why?

I legally changed my last name when I was 18...care to speculate on why I did that?

OR maybe he had a falling out with his dad and doesn't want to be associated with him. There are so many reasons that he may not be using his entire name and it doesn't matter one iota why.

Now come on people; if Hispanics went around changing their names to anglo-sounding names, how could fine, upstanding bigots know who to target or make slurs against? /s/

He may be one of Rush's dittoheads. Remember the Bain comment.

...and it's the liberals and democrats that have caused this.

Yeah, and great friends he hangs out with. They didn't even try to help.

I often put on black gloves when I am about to drive to get a better grip on the wheel. especially if it has been sunny, thus the steering wheel is damn hot. If I left the theater and came back and yelled something similar to my wife (who has to see every last credit at every movie we go to), should I be beaten by a crowd and then the Gestapo, I mean Police? No. I guess the folding cane i use to walk because I have severe arthritis could be a weapon, except for the part where it folds up, so hitting anyone with it would cause it to fold, thus doing no damage.

Have the politicians and the "news" media really turned us all into frightened bunnies that we should be scared of everything? If so, bin Laden won in the end, as his actions did indeed terrorize us, as did the domestic terrorists in this country from McVey to Holmes. Shame on us for being so damn frightened of everything and everyone. Black gloves don't make a potential murderer/terrorist. As for him being Hispanic or Latino (there is a difference) thus an illegal, WTF??? Florida is a State with a huge and legal Spanish descendant population. Considering Florida was a Spanish colony, there are likely to be many families there, as is the case in TX, NM, CO, AZ, UT, CA and NV, who can trace their ancestors back to before there was a US.

Kudos to you CelticPagan, Finally someone has shown some commonsense!!! I’m with you, and am afraid you’re absolutely right.

About him not using his maternal last name;we do well to remember that in our country woman are encouraged to renounce their families’ names and take up that of their husbands.

But a little common sense needs to be used.

Don't do or act in a way that can be misconstrued as an aggressive act.

USE YOUR DAMN HEAD.

It's like these bike riders that get killed on the roadways that they share with cars and trucks.

The bike rider ALWAYS says the same thing.

" THE BICYCLIST WAS IN THE RIGHT IT WAS THE CAR THAT WAS IN THE WRONG"

Who cares if The BICYCLIST was in the right when you're DEAD it doesn't matter how right you are.

USE SOME COMMON SENSE PEOPLE.

Frank, I had a friend get run over by a car while training for the IronMan Triathlon. She was on the shoulder, he wasn't paying attention. He rear-ended her going 70 MPH. How was this the bicyclists fault?

People are making all sorts of nothings into an agressive act now a days. How about we lock those morons up first.

St. Augustine (Spanish: San Agustín) is a city in the northeastern region of the U.S. state of Florida, and the county seat of St. Johns County.^[4] Founded in 1565 by Spanish explorer and admiral Pedro Menéndez de Avilés, it is the oldest continuously occupied European-established city and port in the continental United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Augustine,_Florida.

I'm with CelticPagan on this one. Just because you drove out the Choctaws out of Florida doesn't mean you also got the Spanish.

celticpagan and Babs...Spanish descent population? really? Spain occupied Florida and south GA in the 15,16 and 1700's. I was born in Orlando and lived in Florida for the first 24years of my life and most of my family have lived and still live in FL since the late 1940's. The "Spanish" population in Fl is a much more recent influx of peoples from Cuba, Mexico and South America and quite a few are not "legal" immigrants. Miami and Dade county area is populated heavily with Hispanic and south American's today but that was not the case 30-40years ago. Just throwing my observations out there.

This is America, where every citizen has a right to a fair and impartial trial by their peers. Take that away and this is no longer America.

Your right, let's dipense with our justice system and allow the cops to be judge, jury and executioner. That has worked so well in the past.

You're right...damn.

If it were always the same people, the jails wouldn't be so crowded.

I'd board an airplane and yell "this is it!". What if the shooter had yelled "let's roll"? Would that have made that that statement illegal in you mind?

Something tells me you are not as pro-freedom as you think you are.

@Bob Freebird:

It's not a matter of whether it's legal to say something or other. It's whether it's a good idea or not. If you board an airplane and yell, "this is it!" you will - rightly, in my opinion - be escorted off the plane and carefully questioned about your intentions and frame of mind.

Someone who, in these times, would board a plane and shout something for no better reason than to try to provoke a disturbance is borderline sociopathic.

If someone got on my plane and yelled "this is it!" I'd think how excited they must be to be going to their destination. I've gotten on a plane before and said "this is it" and no one thought anything of it because they were all excited to be heading to where we were going too.

Let's take "this is it" back! One mass murderer can't co-opt that phrase into something nefarious. We should all say "this is it" everytime we go into a theater or board a plane. It is an innocuous phrase.

The phrase itself doesn't matter.

Given the events of recent years, anyone stepping into a theatre, onto a plane, or appearing in some similar crowded public venue shouting in an angry, menacing, or deranged fashion should be regarded with concern.

"This is it," "let's roll," "Here's Johnny," "Say hello to my little friend," "Eat flaming death, fascist media pigs" -- the words don't matter, it's the place, time, and manner of delivery. Context is everything.

Step onto a plane and shout most anything in an angry or unhinged fashion and you're in for a tough time. On the other hand, holler out, "Marge! I'm in the sixth row," in a loud but neutral voice, and it's no issue.

Seems like a common-sense issue to me.

Did the guy shout "this is it" in an "angry, menacing, or deranged fashion" or are you just another person who wants to strip more rights from American citizens? Am I okay if I am smiling (not in a "deranged fashion") while I yell "this is it"?

Are you scared, Arnold? Do you need comforting? Don't worry little buddy, they won't hurt you.

Well it all depends on the context doesn't it? If you walked into a theater wearing batman gloves and shouted "this is it" don't you think that people might bolt for the exit? Especially in light of the recent mass murder? Common sense, eh? Whereas, the plane your on lands in the Caribbean and somebody says with delight "this is it" as in "were finally here, yay!" is an entiely different context, not likely to be interpreted as something threatening.

Tell you what Freebird- next time you walk into a theater, exclaim loudly "THIS IS IT!" like this guy did and see what happens since you have such big balls. Maybe you'll learn that you aren't as 'free' as you think you are when you get tackled & the crap beat out of you.

Ben Franklin had your kind in mind, Arnold, when he said:

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Will do, AntiFreedom. I encourage everyone to do this, hopefully AntiFreedom won't piss her pants.

I don't have any personal knowledge of the guy's tone of voice. The crowd certainly found it menacing. "Stripping more rights from American citizens"? Sorry, but you're the one who sounds paranoid. Behaving in a threatening manner has never been acceptable. If someone's intentions are mistaken, everything is generally sorted out quickly.

It's hard for me to believe we're even having this discussion. Within a few days of a massacre in a movie theatre, someone steps into a movie theatre showing the same movie and shouts out what sounded to the movie patrons like a threat.

The moviegoers behaved admirably, in my opinion. They restrained the guy and called the authorities; they didn't beat him up or otherwise harm him. Presumably, he will show better judgment in the future.

I'm actually a huge proponent of civil liberties, and I decry the loss of freedoms we've experienced in the past 15 years or so, and especially since 9/11.

However, you seem to be fixating on the right to be a dick simply for the sake of dickishness. That's not illegal, but it will very often result in unpleasant consequences. It's always been that way.

Well, Dodobird- you go ahead and confirm your idiocy, we'll all enjoy watching for you in the news. Ben Franklin will surely smile down upon you.

Arnold- not to worry, he's just a troll looking to get a rise out of people. Maybe he'll fly away and poop on someone's windshield :)

DaTroof - obviously you've never worked at a movie theatre.

unless you want to pay $20 for your popcorn, a theatre could never employ enough people to police the theatres. sorry charlie, just not realistic.

and complaining to the managers for free tickets? yeah, not going to change anything...not even if the entire theatre of people complained. frankly, it'd take an awful lot for me to complain and request free tickets...because I understand it's not the theatres fault that other human beings sometimes just suck at life to the point of annoying me. in fact, it's kind of sad that you think the movie theatre is responsible for the actions of individuals who come there?

if someone is annoying you, come out and tell the managers and they'll go in an address it. if the person doesnt stop, they'll just remove them. end of story.

i've had to do that when I worked at the movie theatre more times than I can count...and it never goes well, stupid people dont take it well when you remove them...in fact, they make an even bigger scene and bigger distraction on their way out - usually. of course, I did always appreciate the applause - and took a few bows when my actions were quite extraordinary!

long story short: if it's that troublesome for you...dont go to the movies.

get it on dvd and watch it in your own home...the snacks are cheaper, the distractions non-existent...and the cost of the movie miniscule in comparison.

oh I know, it's not the same...that whole "experience" you are missing out on.

well, life is about compromise...it's rarely as perfect as you wish it to be.

There is one theater that will kick texters out: The Alamo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L3eeC2lJZs

I've been to a few theaters that have employees that walk through the movies making sure that people are not talking and if they see people that are disrupting they will ask the individual to get up and leave. This needs to be done more today but some of the theaters don't want to do this as they are probably afraid of making some group of people mad as the person that was escorted out might say the theater was being racist instead of the real reason that they were being escorted out for being disruptive.

When I was growing up I remember a theater manager that would stop the movie and go out and lecture everybody in the theater that he wasn't going to start it back up until everybody was quiet. Let me tell you that the person that was being disruptive would shut up really fast as they didn't want to get into bigger trouble for everybody missing out on the movie.

Absolutely I were mine every time I ride, Hell at 106 the metal on my grips would give moderate to severe burns to my hands. I drove truck for over twenty years and wore either full or fingerless gloves all the time.

So you were your gloves in the move theatre? Hmmm.