Not a battle ground state, not a blue state...not a chance in an election year...@2. thanks for the help

Must be all the shooters from Utah on the move again.

Maybe if a certain portion of the population (and this portion is highly prevelant in Oklahoma) wasn't trying to "make government so small they could drown it in a sink" then the resources would exist to battle the fires that are spreading throughout the plains.

The OK government cut fire fighters. Don't blame the federal Gov.

Its all coming down

Red states contribute the least amount of taxes and yet consume, by far, the most amount of federal allocation money. In Oklahoma's case it's in excess of a 2:1 ratio. Then they turn around and complain incessantly about how much they hate big government. I don't want any of my tax dollars being siphoned off to bankroll them.

If I'm not mistaken Oklahoma's political representation in Washington DC has claimed that climate changes is a hoax. Why do the people in Oklahoma need any money for fighting a hoax then? If this is the kind of political representation that these folks want why should anybody help them? They should help themselves - that's the Republican way.

Governor just called for "State of Emergency". That is the first step for Federal Aid. Blame the Governor and those that deny climate change.

No help for them, that would be socialism

Those of redstates must understand, HELPS 'll never come to their rescues,just watch their house burned down.Fire fighters,Police officers are already deminishing downward.

They're master to out source all Jobs oversea,Republicans are NOT fiscal conservatives,they're Stupid Conservatives to eliminates all Middle-Class American. Deal with IT,penny wise,pound foolish warmongers retards that votes for them.

What is wrong with you people, have you all lost your minds and souls.

Not sure what you're talking about Nanette - this is the kind of tough love that con-servatives envision shoving down everybody else's throat: shouldn't they practice what they preach, throw down the shackles of big government & pull themselves up by their own Atlas Shrugged bootstraps? I mean we should probably consider the ratio of federal tax revenue contributed to federal allocation dollars consumed and cut Oklahoma off from ALL federal money (they should've been cut off in May -they consume $2.25 in federal allocation dollars for every dollar they pay in taxes per year, you know.) I guess maybe these folks should figure out what the DO want and stop complaining about what they don't want.

I do feel bad for the people but the people DID (and have for years) vote for the Norquist style, show no mercy, cut taxes kind of government. You get what you pay (or don't pay) for. Hard hard lessons. Gee, if EVERYONE else is fighting their own fires, maybe climate change isn't a hoax after all. Why don't they call their National Guard since they're big believers in handling things without hand outs from others?

Socialism is a GOOD thing when you need it and "big government" when "other" Northern Blue states need it.

Christian in name and hypocritical in their game

Shosyn ....his post is spot on and you know it.

Maybe some of those GSA party animals can go team bond in the fire zone instead of places like Las Vegas, Hawaii... I wonder how much fire fighting equipment and support personnel could have been paid for with our tax dollars had they chosen that instead of putting together $60,000 bikes and wolfing down sushi? Instead of showing all the like minded parasites in government how to piss away our tax dollars maybe they could all gather round and piss on the fire. It would probably be the first problem they ever solved.

WALLY.....

think again.. as the speaker of the house BONER.. sits on almost 300 bills.. the 112th congress has passed les than 300 bills thus far, that's a big help right.. when politicans say our job is to make OBAMA a one term president.. and that is the road of destruction that they have traveled.. and 98% of us have suffered dearly..

now when something happens far right christians(sarc), it was in god's plan , so this burning is in all likely hood is god's plan.. you know HATE is not a christiian value and yet OK's continue to hate and spew that hate at every chance

Global change is NOT a sudden event, not events even in a 100 year time period or even 1,000 years. What is never thought about is the reverse climate change. Back a few years ago, our spring was so cool that nothing began to grow before June. We have also had rough winters with prolonged cold and lots of snow, and then again this year was extremely warm with no snow. All of us this has happened before when populations were much thinner. I currently live on property that was once a glacier.

I am always amazed how much hate others spew on those in crisis just to try to advance their agenda. Sad, really sad. BTW, wild fires in that region of the country are meant to happen to burn off all the woody stuff. The state of KS does controlled burns every single year to prevent fires later that would be fueled by wood stuff. I lived in KS for a few years. I mean they literally set the state on fire every spring to burn down the small stuff.

Withhold assistance until the Gov. Federal and state reps all sign statements acknowledging that climate change is a contributing factor in their crisis. Then since they are "small gov't" believers, loan it to them.

This is the future for these states and soon may well be for the rest of us. Nothing in the Constitution about helping with natural disasters, at least from a conservative view. They want the states to be responsible and yet the state has neglected its duties in the name of conservatism.

Maybe they should build a temple in the middle of the state and in that temple build a big altar, maybe their God wants some burnt offerings? Or call in that woman from Kentucky who claims she asked God to move a tornado and God listened to her plea! Pathetic that at this point in the history of mankind much of this country still believe that grovelling to the sky will change anything. The most advanced nation in the world holds millions upon millions of ignorants. It's enough to make one question evolution!

But I certainly believe in de-evolution.

DEVOLVE

transitive verb

: to pass on (as responsibility, rights, or powers) from one person or entity to another

: to degenerate through a gradual change or evolution

Liberals aren't saying "where is mine" - they're saying "you asked for this" by slashing those evil things called "government services" and spewing stupid mantras like "government IS the problem." Right now, well funded socialist firefighting government services would be the solution. But don't worry, you'll forget all about this come November and vote Republican anyway.

You're now seeing the end game of TEA Party politics and it looks a lot like Somalia. But remember - that's what YOU voted for.

Shosyn

How is this off topic? I have NO Problem if our federal government would step in here to help the people of Oklahoma. I have recently drove through OK and many other states and saw FIRST hand what the fire has done to peoples lives. I opened my checkbook already and donated to help these people recover. Will you?

P.S. When someone makes some fallible comment about 'cutting off states', because they do not pay as much as they receive, I am going to respond. Because this country is called "we the people", its not called "We the people unless you are in a state that pays more than it receives."

Sharon Lank

Wonderful comment sweetie. Hugs from Texas

We get bogged down in whether climate change is man-made or not. The fact is, climate change is a constant as is plainly reflected in the geologic record as far back as we care to look.

Human kind CONTRIBUTES, but is NOT the only cause of climate change. Man-made global climate change is a political football used by a variety of interested parties to push their pet agendas or wring funds out of municipal pockets.

Yes, we should do what we can to limit our impact on the planet, while the debate continues over the origins of global warming, we ought to begin adapting to the predicted changes heading our way.

Studies have identified a wide variety of effects from the incremental rise in global temperatures. Some areas will become much warmer; other areas will see temperatures drop. Some locations will become dryer, others wetter, and coastal areas will see rising sea levels cause water to incrementally move inland. The best we can do is try to adjust what we are doing in order to cope with the forecast change for our area. The fly in the ointment is that we cannot know how accurate the prognosticators are so we tend to procrastinate for fear of taking action that later proves to be unnecessary.

The predicted global temperature changes coming our way are rapid on the geologic scale but, we are the most adaptable and intelligent species on the planet. If we all make small changes in how we conduct our daily lives, we may be able to adapt enough to limit, though not eliminate, the impact of increased temperatures in our individual area of the world.

Predicting the future climate of the planet is sketchy and science will always demand careful scrutiny of data related to any subject. This will always lead to debate and even dissent. We must try, as best we can to discern what is actionable. As certain of global warming as most climatologists seem to be, there are some who openly express opinions that question the origins of the warming, it's duration, and whether it is, as reflected in the geologic record, a prelude to some sort of planetary cooling.

The debate goes on, so does an ever changing climate, endless discussion has the same net effect as endless meetings...nothing gets settled and nothing gets accomplished until someone sets a direction to take and convinces or mandates that the direction be followed. We need direction and given our contentious nature, I think we need a mandate, we need to start adapting lest we go the way of the dinosaurs.

Ralph...all I see is a bunch of people that has let their politics corrupt their humanity. This is not a game out there. This is people's lives and homes, their hopes and dreams and the people that once cared about each other spewing self righteous horrific statements. I am sure all of their parents would be so proud of the kind of adults they have turned out to be. Is this what our government has turned us into? Have we lost our humanity for the ability to say you are wrong and I am right? What has happened to us as a species? Step back and read through those comments, look at what kind of people say such things. Do you honestly believe that they are the solution or part of the problem facing this country today and will face it after this election.

@ Mr.PheaNiques-0000001.... Let me guess...you had to change your handle because you were banned for trolling, or you were added to so many ignore lists that the effect of the resulting mass shunning was indistinguishable.

Yet, here you are again- telling the same stale lies, using the same boring innuendo- and the same hypocrisy.

Weren't you for smaller government?

Weren't you whining about over-regulation?

Weren't you against tax hikes?

Here are the consequences:

A smaller government provides less service.

A stronger EPA with more power to regulate could have ameliorated global warming before so many homes and so much land were turned to ashes.

A bigger tax base could have funded a more robust response to this fire.

I despair of you...you lack the capacity to learn from your actions; hatred and xenophobia seem to be your core values, and you have no sympathy for those injured by policies you promoted.

Worst of all, you're not alone in these beliefs.

Human suffering will escalate as we all get dragged through hell by your failure to adopt the very hallmark of our species: adaptability.

timothy kaluhiokalani

Maybe some of those GSA party animals can go team bond in the fire zone instead of places like Las Vegas, Hawaii... I wonder how much fire fighting equipment and support personnel could have been paid for with our tax dollars had they chosen that instead of putting together $60,000 bikes and wolfing down sushi? Instead of showing all the like minded parasites in government how to piss away our tax dollars maybe they could all gather round and piss on the fire. It would probably be the first problem they ever solved.

Maybe we can sell the $20,000 drum sticks that the GSA purchased and use that money to pay half a years salary for a firefighter.

What a bunch of A-holes most of you are. The majority of Oklahoma is "Reservation Land" under federal control the state has very little say so on these lands, most of which is burning. Where is all of your Liberal concern for these Native Americans now? There is none. Just a bunch name calling, blame passing, do nothing, gimme, I'm entitled, HYPOCRITES!

Climate change or Cyclical Weather? ....

We know "cyclical weather cycles to be factual, regardless what believe about "Global Warming" ... and parts of Oklahoma were in the dust bowl for over 8 years (1930 -1939) when the rains came ....shouldn't they have expected it again and prepared for it?

Oklahoma has taken Billions of dollars of oil from the ground, shouldn't a small portion of that money been used to prepare for this natural event that was certain to occur?

nanette

Heartless? No. Angry is more like it. When it's people on SSI and other programs, they get demonized, and a call for cuts to those programs is made. These programs are there for the elderly, the disabled, and for underemployed and unemployed. Yes, there are some that are sucking off the system, but not as many as right-wingers think, not NEARLY as many.

Now the same people are crying over the need for spending over fires. Forget dying children that need healthcare, forget the elderly and children that need to eat, forget about the people whose only way to support themselves, since their jobs are now gone, are working at Wal-Mart and are part of the 50% that work there that qualify for assistance.

That's what people are getting to. If you don't like it, go pray for those in OK. I, on the other hand, will continue to do real things to aid in real change, like donate to food banks, spread the truth about this group of supposed republicans (don't know what they are, but republicans these people are not), and try to vote left wing.

Hey, let's check in with Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin. You know he's the author of Mitty's budget plan and a true believer of degenerate fascist author Ayn Rand. Paul? .... "Collectivism, BAD. Individualism, GOOD." There you have it, Oklahoma. You're on your own!!! Suck it up!!!

This wildfire was caused by the on going drought that has affected two-thirds of the United States. Well, Oklahoma is one of the redest of the red states and the Repugs, cons, and Tea Baggers have declared that global warming isn't happening, therefore this drought can't be caused by global warming, which means this wildfire could not have been caused by the drought. Just tell them that there is no wildfire; it just a bunch of junk science invented by liberals to get their tax dollars. This fire cannot possibly exist in backwoods, inbred, conservative Oklahoma. It's a liberal conspiracy; treat it as they have treated global warming - mock the idea while ignoring the problem.

Steph, I am doing something...I am trying to find the contact so we can send cases of Gatorade which is all they have asked for. I am not just concerned about OK I am concerned about what is happening to this country as a whole and to what is happening to the people that were once part of a great nation. I leave God out of this as clearly we are now a godless country. I am trying to remind people that no man stands alone, we need each other or we will all die alone. Your view is very convoluted in my opinion. OK is part of this country just like any other state. Both candidates view spending money over seas more important and letting our COUNTRY burn. Look beyond the individual incidents and see the whole picture. There is not one single state that does not contribute in some way to the well being of this nation.

No Federal help because the governor has't asked for any- DUH!!

Shaking... AMR.

I guess socialism is only a good thing when it benefits the corporations via protecting their interests ,profits and the transportation of their goods. Maybe we should barter health care for fire trucks, fire fighters and water.

Nanette:

Call us toll free at 1-800-88-GATOR (1-800-884-2867)

The actual reason they are having so much difficulty getting help with the fires, is simply that there is not much help to be had. There are wildfires raging all over the great plains now and the firefighters from those states have there hands full.

People are so polarized by the upcoming election, they are forgetting that while the members of the opposing parties have conflicting ideas about policy, they are not, as a rule, actually evil. None of he reps from either side want to see people losing their property, crops or lives.

I know its tempting to make a political issue out of every news story that comes along, but please try to keep some perspective.

The left (Democrats) and right (Republicans) are more divided and hatefull than ever. Why? Because these days both sides can express their views in places like this, fanning the flames of our differences into an inferno. MSN is providing the means by which our nation is divided. I suggest you all stop the hatred or we all will suffer for it. Join or die. Is your view more important than your country?

You can thank George Bush for dividing this country. America is MORE devided now than since the Civil War. We now have 2 countries, RED and BLUE.

As to Oklahoma, your people in Washington Sen. Coburn ( R-Koch Brothers ) and Sen. Inhofe ( R- Exxon ) are trying to destroy America. As long as YOU keep electing trash which is hurting America don't expect any sympathy or support from us.

Red Staters keep attacking America with TeaNutter Society BS, so you can stand alone. Let the Koch Brothers help you, we won't.

You reap what you sow, so good luck.

Yeah Joe S., it's really a biotch when karma comes back to bite you. For years the right has been saying everyone should just buck up and fix their own problems. Now when the red states are in trouble it's "why are you being so mean?"

I'm a liberal and proud of this fact! However, it is BECAUSE I am a liberal that I have a lot of empathy for the people of Oklahoma and ALL people who are suffering from any circumstance beyond their control. I would FULLY support any help delivered by the federal government, or anyone, to help relieve the suffering of the people of Oklahoma, they are human beings, for God's sake! Because this next presidential election will be CRITICAL as to the direction this country moves, I ask that ALL people consider EVERY FACT and vote so that we become a United States again. These politicians, both Dems and GOP, are creating a "climate" in this country to divide the people, while they ALL fill their coffers with the wealth of this country. They are ALL devious and will plunder this land until it is barren! PLEASE use your best judgement and take the time to study the important issues and most importantly VOTE!

Shaking my head-2479300

Listen to the Obama lame blame Democrat supporters spin this mess. TRUTH is, Obama has no time for the people suffering there, this is an election year and you don't have the right color, ethnicity or political friends. Some leader huh? Bush would have been there and sent help, but then the Obamanites will never admit that and Obama will never the half the president any of the previous ones were, even slick.

Yah, Bush would have sent help, like he did to New Orleans with Katrina, you have just contributed the STUPIDIST comment of the day.

Nanette...the left is simply trying to get the right to recognize the stagering level of hypocricy being demonstrated by conservatives.

To put it simply...conservatives often question why they should be forced to help someone who has made irresponsible choices. A typical example is...why should they help buy food for someone kids when that someone spent their own money on tatoos or a cell phone.

But isn't it just as irresponsible to deny climate change so that you can allow the fossile fuel industry to make more profits...and then lay off firefighters so you can cut taxes on those profits?

But here is the real irony. Conservatives argue for things like doing away with using a debit card for food stamps because they feel that the humility of people being seen using food stamps would help discourage their use unless they're really needed.

I actually agree with the conservative view on that. Which is exactly why I think you and other self provclaimed "conservatives" should demonstrate a little humility by having to admit that you were wrong to lay off firefighters so you could cut taxes.

So, from what we see here, Democrats are firm believers of "you don't think like me so you should suffer and die". Thanks for clearing that up.

Some comments are indeed heartless in their expression of delight in the misfortunes striking Oklahoma , but it is fair to point out that political policies have real-world consequences.

The right-leaning voters of OK and many other states object when government provides assistance to citizens in need, and call for self-reliance and individual responsibility rather than government assistance. They blame the victims of floods for living in the wrong place, and the unemployed for not having enough savings to carry them through without government hand-outs.

Is it unfair to apply the same principles to the current situation in OK? They chose to live in an area subject to droughts, and chose less emergency government services as a way to lower taxes.

P.S. When someone makes some fallible comment about 'cutting off states', because they do not pay as much as they receive, I am going to respond. Because this country is called "we the people", its not called "We the people unless you are in a state that pays more than it receives."

@ItsAboutTime ... the people who are making those statements are actually agreeing with your position. They're simply pointing out the hypocrisy going on. Many of those states are dominated by people who oppose government spending and aid for the less fortunate. Yet, they are actually the beneficiaries of that spending.

This country functions as a unit because we are able to move money to areas that need it. It is also much more efficient to deliver some services on a federal level. Can you imagine the cost if every state had to replicate the CDC, the FBI, the USGS, the weather service and so much more?

Do we even have a National Fire Department that could put out a drought driven wild fire? I don't think so, FEMA is an organizing agency. The fire fighters and equipment must be hired and brought in from around the country, especially if the state or local governments have pared their payrolls to the bone. National Guard Units of any use in this situation?

wje37fcsm

Do we even have a National Fire Department that could put out a drought driven wild fire? I don't think so, FEMA is an organizing agency. The fire fighters and equipment must be hired and brought in from around the country, especially if the state or local governments have pared their payrolls to the bone. National Guard Units of any use in this situation?

No, the National Guard is busy fighting 2 stupid wars, and if Romney gets elected make that 3 or 4.

I really hope OK doesn't become a nanny state and start asking for handouts. Lead by example, OK!

One of the NEWSVINE CONSERVATIVE Climate deniers posted this the other day:

Oliver Closoff

"And it couldn't have been a much cooler July here. The A/C folks business is hurting since that may have been the first time I went through July without turning it on.

Oklahoma City slated to get to 114 today.

Looks like the price of real estate just went up in San Diego."

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The Oklahoma Olivers are amongst us.

http://grist.org/news/busy-mocking-the-trees-inhofe-misses-the-forest-fire/

GOP

INHOFE from Oklahoma

Still

Clueless

Shame on the lazy-minded and small-minded people who paint a whole state as everyone being the same kind of person in that state. Like every state, there's diversity in ideologies and the political environment, from county to county, from city to city, from street to street, from household to household. I'm one of the 36% of Oklahomans who voted for Obama, but "damn them" too, right?

Regardless of political position, it's just scummy to use a disaster as an opportunity for political leverage, especially while people's homes are still burning down.

Typical newsvine. No actual dialog, just bits and pieces of a shouting match.

Sen. Tom Coburn, (R) OK Says Climate Change Research is "Wasteful"

Between Coburn ( R-Koch Brothers ) and Inhofe ( R-Exxon ) you guys are really
screwed.

Maybe you need to throw them out before you become like Kansas.

Se777en73120

Shame on the lazy-minded and small-minded people who paint a whole state as everyone being the same kind of person in that state. Like every state, there's diversity in ideologies and the political environment, from county to county, from city to city, from street to street, from household to household. I'm one of the 36% of Oklahomans who voted for Obama, but "damn them" too, right?

Regardless of political position, it's just scummy to use a disaster as an opportunity for political leverage, especially while people's homes are still burning down.

I agree and feel empathy for you. Sadly the RED STATES started the war on America, not us.

how about we quit using ethanol; reseed all the Amazon basin that has been denuded to replace the lost food crops now used for fuel.

The forest in the Amazon sucks up trillions of gallons of water and cools the canopy by about 10 degrees. when you cut it all off it shifts the weather patterns; such that the bread basket of the United States becomes another dust bowl.

Damn Environ-Nazis in Government!!

I'm continually amazed at the amount of hate spewed on Newsvine. Turning your backs or wishing tragedy on people simply because they don't share your beliefs are not traits of an advanced society.

Some say let Oklahoma burn because they haven't jumped on the whole Al Gore/Energy Credit/Man Made Global Warming/Chicken Little B.S? Pathetic!

Tell Oklahoma to burn in hell because their political climate is different than your's? Pathetic!

Wish hatred and harm simply because they pray to god? Pathetic!

Spread lies and falsehoods to substantiate your hate? Pathetic!

When a large scale disaster overburdens their fire fighting resources, blame it on tax cuts? (Remember that the next time California has an earthquake or a hurricane runs up the east coast.) Pathetic!

Oh, and my favorite troll post. The guy who doesn't care what happens to Oklahoma because of the way they treat marijuana users? What a D-bag.

Grow up people, dig deep into your souls and show a little compassion.

Entire states didn't start the war. People did, and not every person who happens to live in a red state. That's a lazy-minded oversimplification.

I agree and feel empathy for you. Sadly the RED STATES started the war on America, not us.

AUSTERITY IN GOVERNMENT

has

its

consequences.

Call Inhofe and Coburn and Governor Mary Fallin....they are you helpful leaders.

Ralph...all I see is a bunch of people that has let their politics corrupt their humanity. This is not a game out there. This is people's lives and homes, their hopes and dreams and the people that once cared about each other spewing self righteous horrific statements

So don't you think we don't have homes? We don't have families? We don't have dreams?

Where is YOUR humanity when someone is jobless, can't pay their bills, gets evicted because of policies implemented by politicians such as those elected by Oklahomans?

Then we get told "no free handouts." That we are lazy, incompetent, fat, stupid. that we are parasites.

And now when people are suffering the fate that they themselves decreed by their own environmental policies, you blame US for lack of humanity,

Spare us your self-righteousness. We are SICK of your hypocrisy.

To all you posters blaming "global warming": just what do you think would be different if global warming was acknowledged by the OK gov? Do you think there would be fewer fires? No fires? More firefighters? Sorry but your progressive posts infused with derisive and insulting comments don't make it better, and are no longer effective toward inciting anger.

In 2007, Fallin, then a U.S. congresswoman, laughed off greenhouse pollution, saying people “need to be more concerned about global warming in the U.S. caused by a nuclear attack.” Earlier this year, Fallin attacked the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency for attempting to enforce clean air and clean water laws on her state’s oil and gas industry.

Now...she just wants the folks in Oklahoma TO PRAY AWAY the heat and fires.

Very Scientific approach...decrease the firefighters and PRAY for the best.

BTW: God is puzzled by this reasoning.

Human kind CONTRIBUTES, but is NOT the only cause of climate change. Man-made global climate change is a political football used by a variety of interested parties to push their pet agendas or wring funds out of municipal pockets.

Humankind is not the only cause of climate change, but we are the MAJOR cause of climate change. Humanity puts out 5 times as much carbon dioxide per year as volcanoes do, for example.

The predicted global temperature changes coming our way are rapid on the geologic scale but, we are the most adaptable and intelligent species on the planet. If we all make small changes in how we conduct our daily lives, we may be able to adapt enough to limit, though not eliminate, the impact of increased temperatures in our individual area of the world.

Unfortunately, you are completely incorrect. Individual humans or small groups of humans are easily adaptable. However, given how many there are of us, and how the numbers keep climbing, we are easily the most delicate species on the face of the earth.

We are heavily dependent on the ecosystem if we all want to live. Sure, we could support a population of 1,000 till Doomsday, but we are 7,000,000 times 1,000. Someplace, somewhere, millions of humans very susceptible to drought, to wildfires like this, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. You might not be, but someone else is. Are you volunteering to be the one to die?

To all you posters blaming "global warming": just what do you think would be different if global warming was acknowledged by the OK gov? Do you think there would be fewer fires? No fires? More firefighters?

If global climate change had been acknowledged by the OK government and the rest of the denier retards, we might have been able to do something about it sooner.

If it is acknowledged today, we might be able to prevent worse disasters in the future.

Is this not obvious? Why does this need to be explained to you?

Sorry but your progressive posts infused with derisive and insulting comments don't make it better, and are no longer effective toward inciting anger.

And how does telling us we are Al Gore worshippers looking for handouts make the situation any better? Is it only derision when it annoys YOU?

This is one of the most irrational comment threads I have ever read. Most of the comments state, or at least imply, that the federal government is playing favorites by withholding firefighting assistance to Oklahoma. That is absurd. Conservatives blame the feds for partisanship; liberals say that the partisanship is justified. Both claims are ridiculous.

What Oklahoma needs is manpower to fight fires. Typically that kind of emergency help comes from neighboring states but, for a variety of reasons including the National Guard being at war and those neighboring states fighting their own fires, that help is not available. That doesn't mean that the federal government or other states have firefighters available and are refusing to send help to Oklahoma. It means that manpower is not available.

Lots of irrational Newsvine ranters need to get a grip.

Byron, Byron, spare us your logic. The right doesn't understand logic and appears unable to engage in critical thought. Climate change is a myth, and will always be a myth. It is based on science, which has no place in a God-fearing state like OK. Don't get me wrong, as a (liberal) Texan, I have the deepest sympathy for what OK is going through, and wish them all the best. Although there is no evidence, many in OK recognize the threat of climate change and oppose the moronic postions that their leaders take, but are unable to effect change. I vote in every election. It is a useless exercise, but a privilege I take seriously. As a white guy with a driver's license, they cannot take my vote away (for now anyway). Good Luck OK! You should pray for help because I doubt that T. Boone, the Koch Bros, or any of the other energy concerns that your leaders represent and look out for will be stepping up to help you guys out. But look on the bright side...you don't have to worry about Sharia law taking over your state.

Someone above stated "Human kind CONTRIBUTES, but is NOT the only cause of climate change." which is true. What is also true is it's probably the only contributing factor we have any control over and as such we, as a nation, should be doing everything we can to lessen our contribution. So many say that since we can't fix it all, with 1 glorious move, we should do nothing. Short attention spans got us here.

I remember back in 1979 that FEMA quickly responded to the damage Hurricane Frederick did in the state of Alabama. If FEMA was properly funded, a lot more help would be available to those suffering from these conditions. But, you can't cut taxes, and reduce the money available to the government, and expect good results. Unfortunately, the Liberals in these states are unfortunately suffering with the Conservatives, who have fought against everything that could have softened this terrible situation. Cutting Government Spending= Removing Federal Safety Nets. Reducing state budgets isn't ALWAYS a good idea either. Republicans complain about tax and spend Democrats, but their plan of spending, but not taxing will alway result in goverment financial problems. If you're a conservative in these states, I truly want you to get the relief you so desperatly need, but you cut spending to the bone to reduce taxes for the rich, and the money just isn't there. To the liberals suffering there, I say remember what has led to the current troubles, and make every effort to change the leadership of your states,and your representatives in the Federal Government. As long as the conservatives have their way, there will be limited funds for everything.

I live a few miles from the Creek County fire in Okla. WTH is this people always pulling politics into comments. This isn't a political comment story. Comment on the issue involved not state or fedreal issues. ENOUGH ALREADY!

sighber

We get bogged down in whether climate change is man-made or not. The fact is, climate change is a constant as is plainly reflected in the geologic record as far back as we care to look.

Human kind CONTRIBUTES, but is NOT the only cause of climate change. Man-made global climate change is a political football used by a variety of interested parties to push their pet agendas or wring funds out of municipal pockets.

Yes, we should do what we can to limit our impact on the planet, while the debate continues over the origins of global warming, we ought to begin adapting to the predicted changes heading our way.

A rather understated yet conciliatory statement ignoring the fact that Man's Impact (Corporate Driven primarily the last Century through today, all the way back to those clearing out the Ancient Forest/Heat Sinks around the World, to start with) HAVE had the most impact on conditions damaging the Earth's Natural Ability to counter NATURAL conditions causing variance in degrees of climate variations.

And to those not catching the pointing out of the hypocrisy from the Right/Cons/Tea Partiers by those on the Left /Libs/Moderates/Realists shall never get it. To be fair, several comments do come out condemning the entire state for the Political Stances/Voting of the Majority of OK and other Red States' citizens, and that is not any better than the normal rhetoric from the Modern GOP/Tea Party and their condemnations of anything which maintained the US Middle Class or Regulations with at least an appearance of reducing/improving conditions. So please accept this acknowledgement of such. It still falls on these eminent naysayers and Corporate Shills controlled by K Street that we ignore Reality.

The fact remains that Our Oceans, Rivers and Lands, as well as much if not most of the Bounty being harvested from it, are POLLUTED and POISONED by MAN, more in the name of profit-by-proxy than any other factor. And unlimited growth without consideration of mitigation for destruction of Nature has proven such.

Stewardship of the Planet has become an afterthought. Now we will pay. It is that simple.

Hypocrisy from Our Leaders is the Order of the Day.

The Sheeple will eat up most any of the fodder tossed into their trough, as the dumbing down of The United States of America reaches fruition. This did not happen overnight.

And neither did the Global Weather Changes caused by Man.

I leave with this thought: May God Have Mercy On Oklahoma and the rest of us. Even though none of this is his fault. If he even exists. We had better hope he does.

Peace

Timmy,

The EPA standards for CO2 emissions are addressing excessive levels, not what is normal in nature. If you don't think it's dangerous, take a big nose hit off you exhaust pipe. The earth had the ability to balance the levels of CO2 through photosynthesis. However, there has been a very devastating amount of deforestation at the same time the industrial world has been adding excessive levels of CO2. This is a very bad combination and a combination that has never been seen before.

Also, were we to raise the basic tax rates back to the Clinton level rates we would not need to borrow so much money. You know, the same rates we had while experiencing the biggest economic growth this country has ever seen.

Stephen: You have to understand those claiming to be liberals, they are full of hate and self-righteousness. They don't understand compassion, selfishness and self-centered importance and adherence to a mindset that is incapable of thinking of anything but itself, me, me, me is the core of their being.

This is pretty typical. Don't pay them attention, they aren't deserving. There are good people on the vine, sadly they are outnumbered by the selfishly self-righteous. OK will manage, as Texas managed. The people pulled together without Obama, Obama is only in it for his cultist followers anyways. Giving haters any attention is a waste of time, better to donate or help out where you can, the haters only waste good air sucking up all that self-righteousness.

mygirl

What exactly do you expect President Obama to do about the Oklahoma fires? Is there a federal firefighting force that we don't know about? The troops that often assist in fighting fires come from where? The National Guard. Who authorizes the use of National Guard troops? The governors of the states. Half of the counties in the United States have already been listed on the national disaster list, which qualifies them for low interest loans and other assistance. What else is the President, in your opinion, supposed to do? Please be specific.

You can, and I am sure will, consider this the fault of liberals in general and President Obama specifically, but that is what you usually do, and you are usually wrong.

Byron Raum: If global climate change had been acknowledged by the OK government and the rest of the denier retards, we might have been able to do something about it sooner.

If it is acknowledged today, we might be able to prevent worse disasters in the future.

Is this not obvious? Why does this need to be explained to you?

And how does telling us we are Al Gore worshippers looking for handouts make the situation any better? Is it only derision when it annoys YOU?

First off, Mr Raum, you have provided no evidence whatsoever that the current conditions in OK are a result of global warming. Then you leap to the conclusion that "we might have been able to do something about it sooner..." as if we could control the fires with sweeping legislation... Yeah, that'll work Byron... Then, you continue to use derisive and insulting terms (denier retards) to further emphasize your totally inept and inaccurate point. And I didn't call you an Al Gore worshipper, but if you think that is derogatory or insulting on some level then it's likely accurate.

What's with all the hate? These are fellow human beings, and they're just asking for help, and you're all just using these people's unfortunate circumstances to further your political agenda.

Dear Don: Those who support Obama are the one's on this thread spewing the most hate and good doses of 'it serves you right for being a conservative state' bile. Obama has spent billions on bancrupt green energy companies, (companies whose CEO's and investors were major campaign donators and supporters) and not one dime on enlarging any federal firefighting equipment. The aircraft fleet is down to nine planes for the entire country.

Note too that billions are spent paying fraudsters. IRS pays billions, ditto medicare and SS, now, instead of combating said fraud or addressing said fraud, money that could be used in a positive and beneficial way. Sorry, there are answers here. First and foremost is not putting money into agenda driven folly and second, and equally important, is not paying billions to criminals. There is an article currently on this site about said fraud. Look it up and get back to me.

Let's get a few things straight. The Federal government is not denying help. The way it works is you have to ask. If the Federal government just stepped in without a request for help the rightwingnuts would be screaming about Federal government intrusion! But that's the way it works, you need to request help. Maybe because their governor, who used to be just a conservative, but has pandered to the Tea Party types and has shifted her politics to the far right agenda, and has strongly criticized this Administration and promotes small government, tried to eliminate State income tax, cut budgets in services and education, tried to block "Obamacare", etc; just maybe she is a bit embarrassed to call the White House and ask for help. Maybe she believes that her State doesn't need any "stinking Federal government help". We don't know her reasons, but we do know she hasn't asked for that help. In fact we know that a couple weeks ago, her first response to deal with this was to appeal to everyone in the State to pray. That doesn't seem to have helped.

I think I can speak for the vast majority of lefties on here when I say that we do feel for these people and we do want them to get help. However, we also feel very strongly about illustrating the lesson that needs to be learned here. We fear that without making a big point of it, those on the far right will just ignore this as some anomaly and not learn a damn thing from it. Are some comments "rubbing their noses in it?" Yeah, maybe so, but the fact is that sometimes people don't learn unless you take those measures, and clearly we are talking about a segment that falls into that category.

Personally, I have no problem with my tax dollars going to support these people in their time of need and I wouldn't insist that they meet some moment of humiliation in order to get it, but I would appreciate if they acknowledged that just maybe they have brought a bit of this on themselves and acknowledge, at least a little, the error of the ways. I think that most of us on the left feel this way and only because the right wing agenda that would destroy any government to speak of, is so heartless and ruthless in their attempts to do that. Let's be clear, most of us on the left are not vengeful. If you are on the far right, you might think so because that's what drives you, but we are different, in case you haven't noticed.

Let's get another thing straight too. The "debate" on climate change is over and has been for awhile. Just because a relative handful of people refuse to acknowledge it, doesn't mean we are still debating. Virtually everyone with appropriate knowledge on the topic is in agreement, and the vast majority of the country is in agreement. But what is still in debate is what to do about it. However, those refusing to acknowledge the reality of the situation aren't even about to participate in a debate about what to do about it. Instead they would rather deny it because it then gives some credibility to crazy theories like it being God's work because we haven't stopped enough abortions, burned enough Korans or bashed enough gays. People who like to believe in such crazy thing have little use for science and logic because they go against what they prefer to believe.

But no matter what the cause of the weather extremes Oklahoma and neighboring States have been experiencing in the last several years, and even if you don't want to talk about long term things to prevent such incidents, responsible government officials need to come up with plans to deal with it. Plans that go beyond praying for divine intervention. Plans that will ultimately involve spending a little money for the benefit of all. If they can't come up with money to buy some Gatorade for their fire fighters and have to beg the public for it, surely they haven't given much thought or expense to dealing with the bigger issue. How is that not a failure of government to protect the public's interests?

Should government leaders really be focused on eliminating government? Should they just be people we elect to rally people to prayer or ask for donations when some issue arises? We can say that politics shouldn't even be a part of this discussion, but really how can it not be? Isn't this a glaring example of the downsides to a small government and a stand on your own mentality? That is the point that many people are trying to make in their comments here. It isn't about hatred for these people or wishing them ill will. It is about driving home the important lesson to be learned here. For many people, they can't be taught because they refuse to learn. They cling to illogical ideas and beliefs. They vote based upon these illogical and emotional issues instead of using common sense. maybe they do need their noses rubbed in it to get their attention.

mygirl

Very convenient that you rapid small government folks suddenly want a federal firefighting force, if that can be the issue you can use to criticize President Obama. The federal government has NEVER had a federal firefighting force.

Your second paragraph is a disjointed rant, typical of your usual Newsvine comments: short on specifics, long on hate-filled conspiracy theories.

You failed to read the article or you failed to comprehend it. The request for help was to NEIGHBORING STATES, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. You used it as an opportunity to criticize the federal government in general and President Obama in specific. Why?

I couldn't care less if my neighbor is a democrat or a republican, if his house is burning I will help him if I can. Whether there is global warming, and if there is, whether it is due to human activity or not (considering there is over 10 billion people on the planet I wonder if we could do much about it anyway), doesn't change the fact that american people are losing their homes right now. We shouldn't let disagreements, political or otherwise, get in the way of our humanity. I hope the people of Oklahoma will get rain, and help if humanly possible.

P.S. I wish people would quit collapsing OPs comments.

umm... how about its burning out of control because its been over 100 degrees for two months and we've had very little rainfall.

Did you say it was the people of Colorado's fault when it burned out of control a little while back????

Liberals are the very worst kind of people. YOU HAVE NO MORALS OR SENSE OF DECENCY

What a bunch of @!$%#s.

I'm done with the vine.

Mygirl:

Stephen: You have to understand those claiming to be liberals, they are full of hate and self-righteousness. They don't understand compassion, selfishness and self-centered importance and adherence to a mindset that is incapable of thinking of anything but itself, me, me, me is the core of their being.

That's b.s. I've been an Oklahoman for nearly 2 decades and I can tell you what, a lot of these people are right in calling out the GOP in my state.

Yes, the devastation is awful, but sometimes you do reap what you sow. A lot of these other people are just able to see it better from the sidelines than we are.

Pray for rain?! No climate change?! These idiots that 2/3rds of our state keep electing need to be throw out of office. (And remember, Newsviners, there's a third of us in this great state that have some actual common sense.)

What does Obama and the Federal Government have to do with wildfires in the Sovereign State of Oklahoma? There's already too much big government intruding in their God given rights. Ckick-Fil-A gives Christians water for free... why aren't they going there for help?

Long before the climate change debate there were droughts, wildfires, tornadoes and a host of extreme weather and weather related phenomenon. There is a concern that these fires are a result of arson. Observer: So all the folks that don't follow your party line are going to hell, They deserve to go to hell because they aren't following the DNC? BS.

Now, while you all bash and point fingers and lay blame, how many of you are actually doing anything to help? Didn't think so. Much easier to develop diarrhea of the keyboard than to do anything beneficial. Those SOBs deserve it. They voted GOP. Now, little hypocrites, where were you with the Colorado fires, the New Mexico fires, the Utah fires, the Wyoming fires etc? Those fires are ok because they're not in OK? Those folks deserve help and compassion because they're not republicans? Those folks don't get bombarded with self-righteous condemnation because their politics are the same as the one's spouting the hatred. Gotcha.

105 comments of mostly braindead hateful idiots.

When California and Colorado requested help to fight their fires volunteers from Oklahoma went. Maybe next time they should just say," Let those states burn, that'll show 'em."

Conservative Reb

Firefighters from other states would go to Oklahoma to fight fires except that they are more than a little bit busy fighting their own fires. That is obvious to anyone who is following the news, even a little bit. Here's a map of the problem:

http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/07/google-tracks-hellish-wildfire-season-in-the-american-west/

Do you really expect that the governors of those other states are going to release firefighters to Oklahoma when they are busy fighting fires at home? Really?

Must be all the shooters from Utah on the move again.

:)

Yeah, people thought James Holmes was bad. When the Mormons break out their weapons more than just 12 people get killed.

Now, while you all bash and point fingers and lay blame, how many of you are actually doing anything to help? Didn't think so

Um you all claimed you could do it all by yourselves. Do it and shut those pathetic cake-holes that whined about all those oh-so-horrible public employees and government. Dont care if its mean --its the tough love you all love SOOO much! :)

Now, little hypocrites, where were you with the Colorado fires, the New Mexico fires, the Utah fires, the Wyoming fires etc? Those fires are ok because they're not in OK?

said the same thing. As usual youre all pissed that Liberals were correct again and so instead of admitting your wrong you pull out the victim card. Did the same thing after crashing the economy with dereg and cutting taxes for corporations --just like Ok did to give the same billionaires another tax cut. Do you people ever learn?

sorry , Truly am sorry these people lost there houses and they cant put out a fire. THIS is the perfect moment to point WHY we need government and WHY we need to raise taxes as everything costs more (thanks to corporate greed) and the population has grown.

You're all just pissed because you cant stand be wrong and you are and youve had it slammed in your faces yet again, and deservedly so. Only this time you cant just blame Obama for your parties idiotic policies and putting their own pockets and money ahead of people. Horribly wrong. Claiming hypocrisy of the left is retarded. We told you this would happen. You refused to listen and became smug aholes.

WE wanted to pay for fire fighter we wasnt to have better pay for teachers ---nice try . Ya'll did this to yourselves.

Now if you folks could put down your foolish pride for once and open your eyes and quit voting in Republicans who keep giving YOUR money to corporate America, you'd have the money to afford fire fighters.

Mygirl:

how many of you are actually doing anything to help? Didn't think so.

Wow...

If only you knew me, you'd never say such a thing.

Problem is, you're assuming a lot of us "liberals" don't do anything to help. We don't have to assume the Republicans aren't, they readily and happily admit that they don't every chance they get.

See the difference?

At least the interest rates are low..

Observer: Hyperbole much? Nice to know that you liberals, between typing vitriol and aiming condemnation at a suffering group of people are helping. Here, take this help you stupid red state people, not that you deserve any of MY help since you believe in God and vote conservative. I will deign to help you even though you aren't a member of the chosen party, just let me finish kicking you first.

Frankly, you can keep your 'help.' Reminds me of the old saying: With friend like you, who needs enemies.

Mygirl:

Hyperbole much?

Pot, kettle?

Nice to know that you liberals, between typing vitriol and aiming condemnation at a suffering group of people are helping.

Please, the GOP already has that market cornered. You need to learn how to look in the mirror.

Here, take this help you stupid red state people, not that you deserve any of MY help since you believe in God and vote conservative.

Let me tell you something, you little Longhorn. I help the people in my state no matter what party affiliation. But in the profession I am in, it truly pisses me the plum off that I have to help the volume of people that I do thanks to the Republicans. So don't you for a minute sit at your damn computer and tell me what's what.

When it's all settled and done, your party has been responsible for so misery that I don't, frankly, feel like you have much position to say anything.

Frankly, you can keep your 'help.' Reminds me of the old saying: With friend like you, who needs enemies.

Frankly, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

.all I see is a bunch of people that has let their politics corrupt their humanity. This is not a game out there. This is people's lives and homes, their hopes and dreams and the people that once cared about each other spewing self righteous horrific statements.

Neither is health care reform which you all lied about --it costs people their lives --and yet the right wing played games with these people's lives. it is not a game and politics has corrupted the right wings humanity so much that they ONLY care when its them --as in right now with this fire.

This also held true where unemployment was concerned after corporate America destroyed the economy. Where was the right wing's concern? They instead blamed the victims and hold up the capitalists as heroes. and have supported the obstruction of your leaders to prevent it from happening again--instead calling all liberals "lazy"

what about women/.girls whove been raped or gotten pregnant by incest? Ya, you all turned your back on them too an insists they carry those pregnancies through --that will screw their entire loves including that of the mentally retarded child (the usual result of incest pregnancies).

Yeah --dont you Cons dare whine about people not having compassion for you after ruthlessly helped insurers let people die with your lies and politics, you hypocritical heartless worms.

I love how the right wing scum on here is jumping in and saying that this shouldn't be about politics but every other Vine story that gets printed that same right wing filth is on here spewing their lies about how it is Obama's fault, or the liberals fault or it's due to laziness and those hurting in the story should just buck up and take care of themselves. If anyone other than the right wingers are hurting then help to them is socialism and we can't afford the debt. Well frack every one of you hypocrite scumbags!

mygirl1

You fail to understand the issue. Oklahoma requested help from neighboring states. The neighboring states have lots of fires and do not have help (firefighters) to give. The federal government (which you like to blame for the failure to assist) does not have firefighters.

Oklahoma's problem is not the fault of liberals.

Oklahoma's problem is not the fault of the federal government.

You, mygirl1, however, are a problem ..... you are clouding this discussion with your non-specific conservative rants that have nothing to do with either the current problem or its solution.

Maybe now the Governor of Oklahoma will stop using the precious water left to use for better purposes than FRACKING THE LAND FOR OIL.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/usgs-report-link-between-fracking-and

Dark hearts, empty heads, vile thoughts, and diseased words. These stinking, rotted carcasses that you drag over this planet are an embarrasment to the very maggots that will eventually inherit them.

And you are full of "love" I can tell by reading your comment.

This is not climate change related??????

Nine of the ten hottest years on record have happened since 2000. There is a trend here and it is going to get a lot hotter soon.

Tim W.-1074098

Is Obama really saying to American citizens "you deserve it," and "good luck with that?"

For the sake of our country, I hope not.

Why is it when Republicans say it as a matter of policy, it's OK, but if Democrats say it, it's not?

Republicans should delight in Democrats coming around to their way of thinking. Remember Cantor after hurricane Irene? No help unless they came up with the money from budget cuts?

Hey, our government just approved a 9 billion dollar guaranteed loan to Israel, which was unanimously approved by the House and Senate. The loan also includes surplus planes and other goodies. The US has graciously voted to pay all interest and other charges. Every House member except 2, voted to give the money and weapons to Israel. The politians from Oklahoma, also generously voted their money to Israel. I guess they have plenty of money for Israel, but none nfor their constituents. Note: Israel has never been asked to repay any loans from the US, as they have been all forgiven by our generous politicians.

Maybe its just me, but I think that money could find better uses in the USA.

The "United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation
Act of 2012" was introduced by Senator Barbara Boxer on 3/6/12 with 71
Cosponsors. It was written by our Jewish representives in Congress and has not once been mentioned in the Jewish mainstream media.

The House passed their version [H.R.4133] on May 9, pledging unlimited loyalty
and riches to our "special friend" Israel, with only two congressman
dissenting- Ron Paul and Democrat John Dingell of Michigan.

The U.S. Senate passed their version on Friday June 29, 2012. Known in the
Senate as S.2165, the measure guaranteed an astonishing $9 billion dollars in
loans to Israel (plus all fees and interest!) in addition to giving
"military assistance- stockpiles of defense articles" valued at $200
million for 2013 and $200 million for 2014.

Boxer praised passage of the bill, stating "I am so pleased that the
Senate moved quickly to pass this important bill, which reaffirms the important
bond between the United States and Israel and helps ensure that Israel has the
necessary tools to defend itself in this time of dynamic change in the Middle
East."

Initially seeking documentation of which way turncoat Rand Paul voted on this
treasonous bill, I tried to find the roll call votes. But as Harry Reid pointed
out during the session, "THE NEXT ROLL CALL VOTE WILL BE AT NOON ON
TUESDAY, JULY 10". The Senators passed this bill anonymously, in a
so-called "voice vote"!...

After tracking down the actual video of this travesty, which was no easy task-
(they seem to make these things hard to find on purpose)- it was like watching
something straight out of the twilight zone. Two old guys in suits mumbling
under their breath in a strange monotone fashion, with the entire U.S. Senate
taking literally less than six seconds total to squander 9 BILLION DOLLARS from
the American people. A true outrage. They did not even call out each Senators
name so that their constituents can hear whether they voted yea or nay.

The bill will soon be sent to Obama for his signature. By going to http://thomas.loc.gov and typing the term United
States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012 in the search box,
one can read full details on both the house and senate versions of this bill.

The Senate version summary states that

"it is U.S. policy to: (1)
reaffirm the commitment to Israel's security as a Jewish state, (2) provide
Israel with the military capabilities to defend itself and help preserve its
qualitative military edge, (3) expand military and civilian cooperation, (4)
assist in a negotiated settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that
results in two states living side by side in peace and security, and (5)
encourage Israel's neighbors to recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish
state.

Expresses the sense of Congress that the United States should take specified
actions to assist in Israel's defense.

Amends the Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2005 to extend authority
to transfer certain obsolete or surplus Department of Defense (DOD) items to
Israel.

Amends the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 to extend authority to make additions
to foreign-based defense stockpiles.

Amends the Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2003 to extend
specified loan guarantee authority to Israel.

The law required that a Senate report be done on the
bill. The law required that a Senate report be
done on the bill. On June 27, two days before the voice vote, Skull and bones
member John Kerry presented the obligatory "written report No.
112-179"...

The report states "That the interest rate for loans guaranteed under
this heading may include a reasonable fee to cover the costs and fees incurred
by the borrower in connection with this program", but then goes on to
state "That funds made available for assistance to Israel under chapter
4 of part II of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, as amended, may be utilized
by the Government of Israel to pay such fees to the United States
Government"!

THEREALCHRIS... NOW you finally know what it feels to have no0 response to you plea.. you republicans voted to have military to Iraq and Pakistan.. cousing the USA to have an enormous deficit.. but that's ok right.. it lead us into one of the worst financial situation in years, but that's ok.. their man bills with Harry REID that he is holding.. each of those bills have PORK and i MEAN REPUBLICAN PORK.. BUT THAT'S OK RIGHT.. 3 Republican house members have recently abused their car allowance.. one spent a total of $106,000,00 for two caqrs both high end vehicles.. but that's ok right..

so it's time to get your head out of the dark place it is and admit to a party of hate, hiprocsy, and bigotry...

Fortunately, "Global Warming" has bypassed Oklahoma.

Here is a shout out to James Inhofe for his denial of Science in general.

It must be so easy to live in a right-wing brain....all of the "answers" are already there.

Hallelujah!

How is Pat Robertson explaining God's Wrath upon "sinning Oklahomans?"

The Republican alienated ideology and practice of removing bourgeois society,these what we see happening in Oklahoma.Thus capitalism promotes the processes, relationships, and outcomes that are precisely the opposite of those needed for an ecologically balance economy system.

These Citizens being tricked into beliving by giving $750 billion tax cut to the rich,hoping the trickle down economy works,They believes what Republican said "JOBS" instead they did opposite, at the expenses of slashing Firefighters,Police Officers,Teachers,this only hasten the descent into ecological, and probably societal, chaos and destruction.

Once these vital services being cut off, Firefighters,Police Officers,Teachers,The results of devastating of the middle-class emerging in many redstates,dampen its own community economy,example price of home down,business grocery etc effected ,when people were out of Jobs.When society suffers,crime rate starts to rise,then we shall see chains of reaction occurs in those states.Dont let that happen,vote wisely for your own benefits.Cool head always pay off.

I think it's funny that so many people are saying negative things about Oklahoma because 2 idiots were throwing burning newspapers along our road sides. I guess we deserve it. Just like we deserve all these blue state unemployed people who are FLOCKING to our state because our Unemployment rate NEVER got above 6% and is now below 5%. Send us your broke, hopeless, hardworking people who are tired of living off your states dime and actually want to contribute to society. You can keep your aid-sucking lazy bums, and your upside down budget. The housing market has never been better in good 'ol OK.

Global fires! Global fires!

Spot on JoooBlooo! There was an article in today's paper about a volunteer firefighter in the Muskogee area that intentionally set 7 fires 'cause he wanted to spend "more time with his collagues because he missed the camaraderie he once felt in the military" well now he's going to be charged with 7 counts of arson; hmm now he can have all the camaraderie he wants in prison with Bubba and Mongo!

If you jackwagons would do a little research it was just as hot here back in the 1930's this is nothing new so get over your "global warming" crap. The earth goes thru seasons and has since the beginning of time.

I think I might move to Oklahoma!!

I getting tired of all the gang killings here in Chicago. Oh but law abiding Americans cannot own a firearm here in Illinois. : ( *scratches head*

Our Mayor is more concerned over some chicken restaurant owner that said something about men and women getting married. Like that is WAY more important than all these murders.....

After Katrina, we were supposed to start getting more frequent and stronger Hurricanes...What happened to that? We cant even predict what will happen in two weeks let alone what any long term weather cycle will do.

Rockyroad:

I think I might move to Oklahoma!!

I getting tired of all the gang killings here in Chicago. Oh but law abiding Americans cannot own a firearm here in Illinois. : ( *scratches head*

For the record, I am a liberal democrat that supports CCW and open carry.

However, I would suggest you look up the crime rate in Tulsa and south OKC before you decide on whether or not you want to move based on those factors alone. :P

eric cantor:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/eric-cantor-no-federal-relief-for-earthquake-or-hurricane-damage-unless-its-offset-by-spending-cuts/

remember this one?

Yes, let's make sweeping generalizations about a whole state based on its leaders. Just because we have idiots here doesn't mean that it's okay to let people's homes burn, or that the air in nearly the whole state is causing health problems in even the healthiest people.

I'm a lifelong Democrat, and until recently, Oklahoma's governors were all Democrats as well. But reading all these malicious and detestable comments makes me sad. It sounds a lot like the hate and disregard for humanity that we've always blamed the Republicans for. Shame on you.

Just like we deserve all these blue state unemployed people who are FLOCKING to our state because our Unemployment rate NEVER got above 6%

So blue states deserve to suffer because they follwed the conservative recipe for economics? Ok made its own bed. YOU @!$%#ed you.

and you can thank Obama and the liberals for helping your state stay afloat.

http://oklahoma.gov/recovery/Funding_Categories/Budget_Stabilization/

AGW deniers or not, it is ungracious to politicize this, one of many drought related tragedies we have witnessed this summer. Our hearts go out to those of any political stripe who have lost their homes.

11B2EB4,

"Our hearts go out to those of any political stripe who have lost their homes."

Finally! An expression of sympathy!

JOOBLOW please let us know when your house burns down.. Rewpublicans have put this country at a stand still..and the liberals have been screamed at lied to by the bigots and hypocrites and religious radicals.. a ste that says we don't want gov't to interfere with our state.. and they voted on it.. so those of us who do pay taxes, since OK pays very little even with the prison and the military bases.. but the minute their is a problem you crawl and cry for assistance.. what is wrong with the male populous of the state of OK , instead of bitching at us and saying it's someone elses fault, all of you should get out a fight the fire in you federal gov't free state

I hate to say it right-wingers, but your endless narrow minded, mean spirited, downright vicious "cost-cutting" -- while shoveling money to the wealthy -- has led to these comments. There is nothing you can say, righties and neo-facsists, that will change your actions over the last 30 years. The Federal Govt. should tell the Okies to ask the oil companies, Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelman, and the rest of the nasty little right-wing billionaire priks to help them out.

But they won't. I don't know if the place qualifies for disaster aid or not, but if it does they'll get it.

Then they'll send their pus filled politicians out to try to cut the government further because they don't need no dam fedral gummint in they binnis. The endless rain of right wing hypocrisy and lies will go on and on.

BoredwithsameO - Your entire post is one big logical fallacy and needlessly insulting in the face of this tragedy.

This isn't about politics. Everyone needs to step back and remember that this is about people. We've had crazy 110+ F temperatures, which have added to an already dangerous problem. Yes, global warming plays a part, and I hope this will be a wake up call to Republicans, but it doesn't change the fact that people are homeless and some are in serious medical condition.

Do you really care about the politics of the elderly and parents of infants who have been hospitalized because they literally can't breathe? Do you even realize that the hardest hit populations are those that traditionally vote Democrat? Why should that even matter?

This whole conversation just underlines the fact that we are a country at war with itself, and when it all comes falling down, you only have to look in the mirror to see who's to blame. I guess we all stared into the abyss too long.

People are in trouble and all you can do is try and pull out the "I told you so card" and sit back and laugh. Laugh all you want until its your house that is burned or sunk or blown away someday. Who you gonna blame then? Oklahoma again? Honestly these comments are flat out pathetic.

Sorry Jaimie L but this is ABSOLUTELY about politics.

I did not vote for fools who cut firemen.

My post is factual and what is insulting is what you vote for and send to congress. Frankly I do not think I am alone when I say that you reap what you sow. You comment on the plight of the elderly and infants yet vote for politicians who would make this plight a DAILY OCCURRENCE NATIONALLY.

Why do you say the hardest hit vote democrat? So in OK if you vote democratic the fireman don't come?

Perhaps instead of spending so much time looking in the mirror you might actually question the reality of GOP policy and work toward correcting the human misery it creates.

Point is that there are consequences to actions, Isn't that the GOP mantra? So what it doesn't count if your Republican? Talk sh*t all day but in a pinch..........help?

Your hypocrisy is astounding. I can only hope this human tragedy creates a wake up call for reality based government. Oh and if the sky zombie offends; as Mitt says "Sauce for the goose, now sauce for the gander" WTF that means............................

Here's another one for you, on Eric Cantor's Wife...worked for Goldman sachs:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-weissman/stock-act-eric-cantor-insider-trading_b_1274155.html

insider.

Sorry, BoredwithsameO, but as I said in my first post, I'm a Democrat. I've voted for Dems my entire life. I am also an atheist. So unless you mean Democrats are to blame, I have no idea what you're talking about. Why are you making this into a personal attack anyway? It's childish and petty.

Fires don't get started by politics. These fires start and spread fast out here. They always have. Every summer.

And the hardest hit are those in poor neighborhoods. The rich have insurance. Sure, there are poor Republicans, but the majority of them here are Democrats. I know this because I've canvassed some of the poorest neighborhoods in the state for the Democratic party.

I know my state, and I know the people who live here. I just can't fathom wanting people's homes to burn or wishing they'd die of respiratory illnesses just because their politics differ from mine. We help each other out in this part of the country. Our Governor sucks, and our Senators are worse, but we get by because there are good people here.

It's sad that you have so much hate.

People are in trouble and all you can do is try and pull out the "I told you so card" and sit back and laugh.

I don't see anyone laughing about this tragedy. People pointing out the cause, GOP policies of increasing unemployment by reducing public employees (firefighters were deemed expendable by GOP policy makers in Oklahoma), is about the only thing we can do to help at this point. The reason you aren't getting much help from your neighbor states is that they are all short handed too from following the same policies.

Yes this is an "I told you so" moment. But the GOP is too busy trying to place the blame on everyone else for their failed policies. It's their neighbors fault for not coming to their rescue, it's Obama's fault for not saving them from their own policies, it's those damned socialist Liberals however many states away who refuse to blow their own budgets to cover for the mistakes of the GOP. Yeah we told you so, but you still won't listen, and you won't learn anything if you don't have to atone for your own policies.

Its Bush's fault! Just like when his hatred for black people enticed him to send Katrina their way! You libs are out of your @!$%#ing minds.

I've been involved in the environmental movement since I was a child. I put myself through college, first getting a degree in biology, then in mathematics, and finally, a PhD in environmental science. I'm able to work the Boltzmann equations and am convinced that the global scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming is well founded and most-likely correct. I doubt that there's anyone on this vine who has worked harder for environmental causes and I feel that I'm pretty well suited to representing the environmental movement on this issue. Many of the posters here make me ashamed of the company I keep. How can it possibily be helpful to be so vindictive?

I've been a public servant most of my rather lengthy adult life, first as a soldier, then as a wildlife biologist, finally as a bio-mathematics teacher and disease ecologist. Few have worked harder at serving the public interest, and so, I feel I'm also well-suited to represent public servants on this issue. While its my duty to serve all citizens, its certainly not my pleasure to serve the hateful. How can it possibly be helpful to further polarize this issue by vilifying these good people who I serve during their moment of loss? Do you think you're winning over any fence-sitters this way?

It's good to fight and fight to win, but gloating is unmanly.

Much much better way of stating a position 11B2EB4

Jaimie, as an Oklahoman, I agree with what they're saying.

Let me put it to you this way: would you want to know who the arsonist was to these fires so you could put them behind bars, or would you rather say what's done is done?

Now is the best time to talk about how Inhofe and Failin fiddled while Oklahoma burned.

(And you're getting way worked up if you honestly believe that no one here would help a person in need if they were in danger, a Republican or Democrat. People may talk a harsh talk, but I have faith that people would actually do the right thing in the end.)

WTF do you people want? Should I jump in a fire truck and drive it down from New York? Who is going to foot the bill, you have a gas card I can use? Who is going to fight fires in New York while I'm there covering for your irresponsible law makers? All this bellyaching about "nobody wants to help us" and not a thought to the cost to everyone else for what would most likely be a wasted trip in the first place since it would either be burnt out or under control within 24 hours.

Didn't Texas have a similar situation recently? Did Oklahoma send help to fight the Texas fires? If so, why isn't Texas helping Oklahoma, or is it always up to blue states to cover the asses of the irresponsible red states? Enough with the pathetic guilt trips, I have no guilt being 6 states away and refusing to drag my fire equipment more than 1000 miles away from where it is budgeted to operate. If you need help building some new homes or picking up the pieces afterwards, you know it will be there. But you can't expect the world to stop and immediately cater to your needs every time your elected officials drop the ball.

Your own people wrote articles commending the firefighters in Tennessee who let a mans house burn down because he didn't pay a subscription fee. Yet another case of cheering it when it's someone else, and condemning it when it happens to you. Seems to me that Oklahoma didn't pay it's subscription, and now the bordering RED states are letting your house burn down.

I can't believe the hatred I am seeing here. These people are losing everything!!!! What has politics to do with it?? Who cares what their political beliefs are! These people need help. I suppose you all think that Colorado deserved the fires they had or the killings that happened! Do you have no brains at all? If you can't at least feel some compassion for these poor people then shut up!!

Yes, global warming plays a part, and I hope this will be a wake up call to Republicans

ROTFL...No offense to Oklahomans; I hate to see anybody suffer tragedy. But I can't help but laugh at Jaimie L's sense of humor. Some people you just can't reach. How many days will elapse until we hear how expensive it will be to adopt conservation policies and reduce our reliance on fossil fuels. Maybe Senator Inhofe would like to explain the cost/benefit analysis to the good folks of OK who have lost everything. Sorry, "Drill baby Drill" is not really what I had in mind.

I can't believe the hatred I am seeing here.

Did you call it hatred when Tennessee firefighters let that mans house burn down over a $75 unpaid subscription. Remember they showed up and only protected the neighbors house while they watched his burn. Seems many in Oklahoma thought that was justice at the time.

These people are losing everything!!!! What has politics to do with it??

It sucks that these people are losing everything. Politics is the reason these people are losing everything. The politics of having less fire protection in order to pay for more tax breaks to the already well to do.

I suppose you all think that Colorado deserved the fires they had or the killings that happened!

How many firefighters did Oklahoma send to Colorado to help fight their fires? How many police, special investigators, or other aid did Oklahoma send to help with the Aurora shooting? Colorado received help from the military just like Oklahoma is, what makes the people in Oklahoma more important than any other state? Why are you suggesting every other state sacrifice their own fire protection to make up for Oklahoma's short comings?

Do you have no brains at all? If you can't at least feel some compassion for these poor people then shut up!!

Do you have no brains at all? We are all very sorry for your loss, what more do you want from us? Our tax dollars are already fighting your fire and will no doubt be used to aid your recovery. What else do you expect us to do? I'll shut up when you quit your pathetic crying about the bed these people made for themselves that we are all paying for now.

Do you even realize that the hardest hit populations are those that traditionally vote Democrat? Why should that even matter?

Lets call out this lie. Fire and evacuations in Creek County A HUGELY REPUBLICAN COUNTY.

the only county that even slightly went Dem is Coal

http://www.muskogeepolitico.com/search/label/Election%20Results%20Map

Sorry JL . No I dont like that they are suffering , No I dont think they should lose their homes. ESPECIALLY THOSE who were intelligent enough to vote Dem.

show me the posts that show the right wing saying

"guess we shouldnt have cut our services!"

is there any posts from a cons who has actually learned? Hell no because they dont care either about these people or their homes or theyd open their eyes and admit how wrong they have been and apologize for being so ruthless, heartless and stupid all these years.

WHEN I see that Ill have some compassion for right wingers , until then they can suffer under their own ideology .

Two children sitting on the ground burned, does it really matter how their parents voted ?

In this case, yeah, it does. Those children should ask their parents why they were more concerned about gays than about preventing them from getting burned.

And where were all of you ring wings protesting the sign that politician put up comparing the Aurora shooting to the president? Yeah, you guys are all the role models of taste and civility. /s

ring wings

lol *sigh*

Betrayed by auto correct, yet again. Should be "right wings".

No American cheered when NYC experienced the 9/11 attacks. Are some of you here from NYC sheering as Oklahoma burns ?

Oh really?!?! I don't see anyone "sheering", but there is a lot of pointing to the cause of any "lack of equipment/manpower" crisis. If you consider that "sheering" then in fact many Americans (presidential candidates and right leaning propaganda outlets included) "sheered" after 9/11.

Ron Paul blames America for 9/11 attacks

It's all our fault

We'll keep sending you the gatorade and other help you asked for, even though you aren't very appreciative of our efforts and feel the need to mock us. But this is no way is of our doing or what we wanted for Oklahoma, so stop suggesting that's the case.

Chuck wrote;

show me the posts that show the right wing saying,

"guess we shouldn't have cut our services!"

is there any posts from a cons who has actually learned? Hell no because they dont care either about these people or their homes or theyd open their eyes and admit how wrong they have been and apologize for being so ruthless, heartless and stupid all these years.

WHEN I see that Ill have some compassion for right wingers , until then they can suffer under their own ideology

And that about sums it up.

JL I'm sorry you think this is about hate, or that other Americans wish ill upon Oklahoma, but that is not the case. Unlike Religious and right wing folks who go to Service members funerals and yell "god hates fags" etc. etc. etc. etc.......ad nauseum........that's hate.

No one I know has any desire for americans to suffer.

But there definitely are consequences to actions whether you are in the majority or the minority. Its sad that you live in a place where reality is so skewed and responsibility is fleeting. I hope you the best of luck in changing the situation or moving to a free-er state.

Good luck.

Olivia:

You are empty shells of human beings.

I'll take this as your concession for being wrong and not having anything to rebuttal. You've addressed none of the legitimate things people here have said (some of them also Oklahomans) and instead you've just been spouting nonsense.

And thanks for skipping bolding your text.

I really hope to see you all post the same stuff in the articles talking about GOP politicians putting up billboards talking about the Holocaust, the Aurora shootings, etc, and Obama. I mean, unless of course you don't want to be hypocrites...

This is what Ms. Olivia Forever says in other posts:

Hey China, I hope one of you Chinks are reading this. @!$%# you; We saved your butt in WW II.

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Yeah, I think your ability to play the righteous card is officially revoked. Just goes to show everyone exactly how hypocritical the GOP minions really are.

Helping them would be socialism.

You don't want that. Government is bad. Instead they should depend on their churches and neighbors like they did on Bonanza.

Extending tax cuts for billionaires will create the jobs. Eventually taxes from the workers of those new jobs will pay for some firefighters to put out those fires.

Another few years of tax cuts for millionaires and there should be enough firefighters to put out all these wildfires...

Where is Obama? Republicans do not believe in helping anyone. Why should our hard earned Tax money go to a state that doesnt believe that there should not be any employees, such as Firemen and Police. Republican States dont need any help. Republicans say that higher taxes just pays for people in Government to have Jobs, that is not important. I hope that a lot of people see that now, but I doubt it, Republicans are to dumb to see that.

So where is Obama? Where is the federal assistance

WOW! How about the "useless Government"statements that the GOP always is throwing around

According to Ron Paul: THIS PEOPLE SHOULD JUST SHOVE IT.

Many ignorant statements in this vine. Do you think the people losing their homes all wanted less government or fire fighters laid off?

Many ignorant statements in this vine. Do you think the people losing their homes all wanted less government or fire fighters laid off?

Perhaps not, but the majority wins, and most of the people in Oklahoma are Republicans. That, unfortunately, is the sad reality for those that do not agree with the GOP policies.

jdmb03, hard to believe, isn't it. Just decent hardworking people losing their homes, their livelihoods and their pets. Probably not very political, except about who they elect for sheriff. Oh, I have an aunt and uncle in Norman, Ok. Haven't heard from them yet.

Some of you should be ashamed.

"Do you think the people losing their homes all wanted less government or fire fighters laid off?"

• Perhaps they should realize that elections have consequences. When you vote for politicians who promise to never increase your taxes a single penny at any time for any reason no matter what --services get cut and this is what happens. When you say cut government, cut government, cut government -- services go away. When you demonize "government workers" as lazy and accuse them of "sponging off the tax payers" --- this is what you get. These are not "ignorant statements" --- these are the results of a political mindset that government is bad and can always do more with less and less and less and less.

Mitt Romney responded to the Obama campaign’s charge that he thinks we need fewer cops, firefighters and teachers by arguing, well, something:

“Well, that’s a very strange accusation. Of course, teachers and firemen and policemen are hired at the local level and also by states. The federal government doesn’t pay for teachers, firefighters or policemen. So obviously that’s completely absurd.

“[Obama’s] got a new idea, though, and that is to have another stimulus and to have the federal government send money to try and bail out cities and states. It didn’t work the first time. It certainly wouldn’t work the second time.”

This is Oklahoma's problem according to Romney. Enjoy!

Yes, I'm sure voters think about fires and federal government assistance when they vote, give me a break. So what about the 'blue' states that are burning? Are they getting assistance because they voted for Democrats? Do you think they think about politics while their home is burning down?

Some of you should be ashamed.

Sure! You and your militia men should go and help putting off the fires. The "people" need you now, when there is REAL work to be done, not just rhetoric.

Henry Thinks

jdmb03, hard to believe, isn't it. Just decent hardworking people losing their homes, their livelihoods and their pets. Probably not very political, except about who they elect for sheriff. Oh, I have an aunt and uncle in Norman, Ok. Haven't heard from them yet.

Some of you should be ashamed.

Yes HT, it is sad. The regular Newsvine liberal think tank is making this about politics. When a fire comes ripping through their homes we'll see what they think then.

IRESPOND-2315268

Some of you should be ashamed.

Sure! You and your militia men should go and help putting off the fires. You hate the government anyway.

And you and your liberal friends go hide with your head between your legs.

When you say cut government, cut government, cut government -- services go away. When you demonize "government workers" as lazy and accuse them of "sponging off the tax payers" --- this is what you get.

GSA

Richard,

"Oklahoma like Texas is for states rights and small government."

That's why they call Texas "Baja Oklahoma". Texans don't like that name, though.

Sure! You and your militia men should go and help putting off the fires. The "people" need you now, when there is REAL work to be done, not just rhetoric.

Actually, we are putting some supplies together right now. Rhetoric THAT!

Blue states - on the whole- don't consume more federal revenue than they contribute - they actually know how to make their own money. And they certainly don't have political representation that runs around screaming about the evils of big government.

Maybe the folks in Oklahoma should give their sugar daddies like Karl Rove and the Koch Brothers a call; they won't charge you for their help...much.

Actually, we are putting some supplies together right now. Rhetoric THAT!

Bully for you! Then you won't be asking for any Federal handouts...right?

And you and your liberal friends go hide with your head between your legs

The difference is that I think that Government is GOOD FOR PEOPLE as opposed to you, so I do not have anything to be ashamed of.

Actually, we are putting some supplies together right now. Rhetoric THAT!

Great. My heart goes to you. However, telling others that big government is BAD only makes your job harder. You and your friends can't reach everybody.

Yes HT, it is sad. The regular Newsvine liberal think tank is making this about politics

Actually the right wing has made this about politics through years of bashing the federal government- liberals are simply saying "This is your ideology: it's time to practice what you preach so loudly. You made your bed, now lie in it."

Yes, I'm sure voters think about fires and federal government assistance when they vote, give me a break.

• Perhaps they should -- think about fires, highways, bridges, everything. Perhaps they should become informed voter concerned about real issues as opposed to worrying about Sharia law and black liberation theology.

IRESPOND-2315268

And you and your liberal friends go hide with your head between your legs

The difference is that I think that Government is GOOD FOR PEOPLE as opposed to you, so I do not have anything to be ashamed of.

That's exactly my point, liberals would rather sit on their hands and let the government do everything. I do for myself, that is what makes this country strong, people doing for themselves.

Charlie-1915998

Yes, I'm sure voters think about fires and federal government assistance when they vote, give me a break.

• Perhaps they should -- think about fires, highways, bridges, everything. Perhaps they should become informed voter concerned about real issues as opposed to worrying about Sharia law and black liberation theology.

Building infrastructure is part of the governments job, that's what our taxes pay for.

That's exactly my point, liberals would rather sit on their hands and let the government do everything. I do for myself, that is what makes this country strong, people doing for themselves

Sure! I wonder how you can manage being a firefighter, policeman, teacher ALL AT THE SAME TIME
SUPERMAN!

JDMBO3: You point about everyone in the state is true but sadly a substantial majority vote for the corporate party. I am assuming here...which is of course dangerous, but I also suspect you would be one of those people who believes that it is OK to tear the F&$% out of the middle east to kill a few radicals even though many average muslims get killed along the way. Those average muslims are then condemed by the GOP supporters for "not standing up to radical Islam". Well, maybe its time for average, non-idiot people in OK to either move or stand up to the corporate interestes which have bought you politicians and placed HORSESASS Teabag fools in office and convinced average people that their interests are served by gutting their own throats. How many years do you have to watch trickle down cause bubbles and collapses before you figure out it is a bill of goods and doesn't work?

IRESPOND-2315268

That's exactly my point, liberals would rather sit on their hands and let the government do everything. I do for myself, that is what makes this country strong, people doing for themselves

Sure! I wonder how you can manage being a firefighter, policeman, teacher ALL AT THE SAME TIME
SUPERMAN!

Does that even make sense?

Steven-1488825

JDMBO3: You point about everyone in the state is true but sadly a substantial majority vote for the corporate party. I am assuming here...which is of course dangerous, but I also suspect you would be one of those people who believes that it is OK to tear the F&$% out of the middle east to kill a few radicals even though many average muslims get killed along the way. Those average muslims are then condemed by the GOP supporters for "not standing up to radical Islam". Well, maybe its time for average, non-idiot people in OK to either move or stand up to the corporate interestes which have bought you politicians and placed HORSESASS Teabag fools in office and convinced average people that their interests are served by gutting their own throats. How many years do you have to watch trickle down cause bubbles and collapses before you figure out it is a bill of goods and doesn't work?

We know who won in OK..... but let's look at the other side of the argument. Are the Democrats also to blame because enough of them didn't come out to vote for their candidate and that's part of the reason why a Republican won? People are making the assumption that OK is getting what's good for them, as stupid as that sounds.

Does that even make sense?

No, it doesn't People need HELP from our Government. Start thinking about that. That is why Governments are put in place: TO HELP THE PEOPLE.

Truth machine....come tell me about the great state of Illinois and how the know to make their own money. The only money the Feds or the states have is tax payer monies. That and debt. Let's just hire more firemen. That will work out fine, just ask them in Scranton (that bastion of conservatism) how well it worked out for them. Bankrupt.....can't pay them. Illinois a Blue state......number one in unfunded pensions, owing billions to the funds. Illinois already has kicked the can down the road so often during the budget process, that when broken down by household, the state’s debt is twice that of Indiana, Iowa or Missouri and three times that of Wisconsin or Michigan. Although our governor did announce the closing or reorganization of some 60 state offices or facilities; some 750 state workers will lose their jobs, many through attrition. Developmental disability centers in Jacksonville and Centralia will be closed along with mental health hospitals in Tinley Park and Rockford, with residents and patients moved to community care centers. Yep those liberals states are doing so f@cking well.

Oklahoma has asked their neighbors for help....not the Federal Government.

Conservative states are not where money comes from; it's where it goes to die.

Maybe if the liberal states didn't have to carry the conservative ones the one or two exceptions to the rule wouldn't exist on the liberal side of the ledger. I notice that you steer clear of addressing the ratio of tax dollars contributed to federal allocation money received in your argument, gee I wonder why. You chose a slackers argument; blame somebody else. That doesn't change the fact that conservative states - as a rule - CONSUME far more federal money than they CONTRIBUTE. This isn't a matter of my opinion; simply google "States: Federal tax revenue contributed vs. allocation money received". The numbers don't lie.

If Oklahoma hasn't asked the federal government for help, Fine. Let's see if they DON'T ask for help (or a LOT of money) in the very near future. If their going to rail against "big gubmint progrums" we should make darn sure that these freeloader states don't receive one nickle more in allocation money that they contribute in taxes. That's just simple accounting 101.

And the neighbors are responding. Without any help from the superciliously politically heartless heard from here today...Reality update below...

http://www.examiner.com/article/city-of-luther-is-burning

(6 hours ago. wind speed has dropped to 0 mph)

At the time of publications, at least 25 homes had been destroyed, as was a day care center. More damage is expected, seeing the fire in Luther is currently burning out of control.

There is approximately 200 firefighters in the Luther area. There was also more than 75 sheriff’s deputies that were helping residents evacuate. Some residents, despite the eminent danger, refused to leave.

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-wildfires-fire-victims-can-receive-assistance/article/3548437

From Norman area. Also contains assistance info and homeowner videos.

Anyone who was affected by Friday's wildfires is urged to go this afternoon to the client assistance center operated by the Red Cross of Central Oklahoma.The Choctaw location is designed to serve the needs of all central Oklahoma fire victims, Surette said, but victims of the Goldsby-area fires who would rather not travel that far can call the Red Cross at 228-9500 to make other arrangements.Cash donations to the Red Cross are always needed and can be given by going online to

www.okc.redcross.org http://newsok.com/oklahoma-wildfires-fire-victims-can-receive-assistance/article/3548437#ixzz22aJ4xhCZ

.The U-Haul Company of Oklahomais offering 30 days of free storage to all residents who have been affected by the recent fires. People who need boxes can pick up and return them when done to allow others to take them as needed free of charge. Anyone who has any type of reusable box is urged to drop it off at the nearest U-Haul location. For information, call 737-6505.

The Oklahoma City-County Health Department will be in the Choctaw and Harrah areas administering free tetanus vaccines. Anyone digging through debris from burned homes is encouraged to be up-to-date on immunizations, spokeswoman Vickie Monks said. Contact the Harrah and Choctaw fire departments, and a nurse will be sent to deliver the vaccination.

Salvation Army

commander Dan Proctor said that agency is handling overflow at its shelter at SW 4 and Hudson.
Read more:

http://www.koco.com/news/oklahomanews/around-oklahoma/Authorities-At-least-46-homes-across-state-destroyed-in-fires/-/12530084/15965722/-/smrikd/-/index.html?absolute=true

OKLAHOMA CITY -

Authorities say at least 46 homes have been destroyed by fires Friday. Ten of those homes are in the Luther area and 36 are in the Hickory Hills area.

Related Fallin: Emergency command center... Turner Turnpike reopens after wildfire Officials: Luther area residents should... Numerous fires burning across the state... Cleveland County wildfire evacuation...

Officers tell KOCO Eyewitness News 5 they have spoken to a person they thought may have started the Luther fire and now believe he was not involved.

A train carrying several chemicals is stopped at Highway 66 and North Dobbs Road. Authorities are working to keep a an active fire away from the train.

Fire officials in Norman have ordered the mandatory evacuation of residents from 120th Avenue Southeast to 168th Avenue Southeast between State Highway 9 and Maguire Road.

http://www.koco.com/news/oklahomanews/around-oklahoma/Authorities-At-least-46-homes-across-state-destroyed-in-fires/-/12530084/15965722/-/smrikd/-/index.html#ixzz22aJqhylr

Oklahoma County Sheriff John Whetsel says 100 deputies are aiding fire crews in Luther. (guess they voted for the right sheriff)

The shelter for those evacuating from the fires in Luther has been relocated to Harmony Christian Church, 7100 S. Choctaw Road in Choctaw, OK.

An overnight shelter has been opened at Slaughterville Baptist Church at 10101 60th Street in Lexington on the corner of Highway 77 and 60th.

1,100 people are without power in Drumright and another 600 people are without power in Wellston, according to OG&E.

State Highway 19 south of Chickasha between U.S. 81 and State Highway 19 C are closed due to a grass fire. Authorities suggest using State Highway 39 or 29,

Crews with the Oklahoma Forestry Service are helping fight four fires in the state in Cleveland County, Luther, Geary and one near Chickasha.
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Blue California has a fire season every year. We know it is coming and we are prepared for it. This is what taxes are for. Socialism works.

Building infrastructure is part of the governments job, that's what our taxes pay for.

So tell that to the Republicans in congress. They don't seem to get it. they block every single infrastructure bill but have plenty of time to vote over and over and over and over on bill that have no chance of passing.

"Obama just does not care about white people", or Indians, don't forget all the native americans that were forced to move to Oklahoma and then robbed of their lands when oil was found.

Henry...THANK YOU!! That was very well said and done with lots of information. Again, Thank you! nCalling now on how to get the Gatorade to them

Gil (and others) there is a process to receiving federal assistance in any disaster anywhere. First, local and county level governments do what they can, then they request state and National Guard help if needed. Beyond all that the governor needs to ASK for federal assistance. I don't see where that has yet happened. Neither Mr Obama nor any other president can willy-nilly swoop into a state to provide assistance. Each disaster situation must be closely examined to ascertain if state and local capabilities have been exhausted and if the affected individuals and municipalities can recover from the disaster without federal assistance.

Then:

Eligibility Criteria

1. Presidential Declarations make individual and public assistance programs available to supplement state and local efforts. The broadest scope of assistance is made available through a Presidential Major Disaster Declaration. Presidential Emergency Declarations make a more limited scope of assistance available, with the required assistance generally more immediate in nature and targeted at a specific need created as a result of the emergency.
2. Presidential Disaster Assistance is requested when the State and local governments have exhausted their own capabilities and they have a need for supplemental federal assistance to help them recover from the disaster. In order to qualify for a Presidential Declaration for public assistance the state has to incur so much per capita in losses to the public sector. There are no similar thresholds for individual assistance. FEMA looks at the number of people displaced from their homes and without essential services, the number of homes destroyed or with minor and major damage and the amount of insurance coverage. They also look at the number of injuries and deaths. FEMA uses that information to determine how many people would need disaster housing assistance, home loans, grants to meet other basic needs, disaster unemployment assistance and crisis counseling.

Has the governor of Oklahoma filed a formal letter requesting federal disaster assistance yet? Has the preliminary disaster evaluation been done?

Gil, I saw in the article that the governor asked other states for help, but has not asked the Feds for help. A governor must petition the President for the state to be declared a disaster and specific aid must be requested. States' rights, remember?

Maybe the governor should swallow his pride and ignore the obvious irony and ask for help from the Feds.

Blame Obama only if you can show that he actually received a request from the governor.

edit: Floretta, we were writing at the same time. I'm editing this to acknowledge your factual post.

"KeithOberMG" Where is Obama? He has the rest of the world on his shoulders, He has the wellbeing of everyone else to worry about, He has heard from YOU that YOU want the federal government OUT OF YOUR BUSINESS, YOUR ENVIRONMENT, YOUR HEALTH CARE, YOUR CHILDREN'S EDUCATION, BUT YOU WANT GOVERNMENT IN YOUR WIVES AND DAUGHTERS VAGINA'S. What a bunch of stupid people you have "leading you through life". We do care about you and your dire situation, and we DO WANT TO HELP, now tell us WHAT PART OF GOVERNMENT YOU WANT TO HELP YOU? Is it the climate change deniers you want, is it the oil company's PR firm's you want to help you, is it OUR TAX DOLLARS YOU NEED? Immature religious dogma reasoning will not get you help, never did, never will, it will be help from the hands of PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE IN PEOPLE THAT HELPS YOU, NOT CARL ROVE OR THE KOCH BROTHERS, those cancers on society will only make your lives more hurtfully. Ask them for help, see how fast you change your attitude about government.

what the hell is wrong with you people so they believe in praying and dont believe in global warming thats their free choice that doesnt mean they deserve to have their lives destroyed by fire. You people are horrible.

@Floretta.....You have provided some very useful information today. Big thank you!

michelle: Because they do not believe in global warming, they have no idea of it and were not prepared for the fires. They should have been. It is a drought they are a prairie state. Of course they should not have their lives destroyed fire. But, guess what, it happens and will continue to happen.

We are not horrible. Not at all. I do not have any money to send. However, I do and will vote Democrat and hope that the ones in office will not cut services for WE the people. ALL the people. But, you do know that the Republican congress, i.e. Cantor stated that in order to send help via disaster relief they would have to cut other spending to pay for it. I'm sorry, Michelle, but you should make a phone call to Mr. Cantor and give him a piece of your mind, instead of the people who you think is dissing the victims of fire. Voting Republican will get you nothing in the end. Do you think Koch or Rove is going to send funds. lol.

Fortunately, "Global Warming" has bypassed Oklahoma.

Here is a shout out to James Inhofe for his denial of Science in general.

It must be so easy to live in a right-wing brain....all of the "answers" are already there.

Hallelujah!

How is Pat Robertson explaining God's Wrath upon "sinning Oklahomans?"

I find all this very interesting.. the radical right scream constantly that they do not want gov't messing with them.. yet the minute something drastic happens they are the first to CRY , folks like you JIMBO, cause that is all you are doing.. yoou piss on us liberals and the when chaos begins you want money money.. so I ask of all you bigots, hypocrites, and HATERS you should be able to gather enuf mon ey to help them.. theree are a large number iof VERY rich pweople who got what they wanted in the election and the heck with the rest of the state...you all needf to record yourselves and play it back so you know how vitriolic , and moreeee you sound...

MICHELLE Skaggs

It's a great deal more than what y0u are saying.. I mean what the hell are you saying.. the [party of I don't want you in my life ) does the same thing all the time.. let me see the gov of louisiana said "I don't want federal monies" then the oil spill came along.. and who was the first to ask for federal help ole BOBBI G him self... gov perry in TEXAS di exactly the same thing... I knowm they change their minds.. but they aren't polite about what happens.. in fact they go right back to the back stabbing, hateful lies about the POTUS... I am certain those who follow the rules will get monies from the man that you haters, bigots and liars, call a muslim. you say he is not doing his job.. the infrastructure jobs is on the seat where BONER sits...yet he one of the three vitriolic human beings on this earth..

JDM:

Yes, I'm sure voters think about fires and federal government assistance when they vote, give me a break.

As an Oklahoman, it concerns me that someone with the power to vote would say such a thing.

I typically don't swear, but I have to say, just what hell exactly are they thinking about? Because if they're not thinking about things like that when they vote, then they really don't need to be voting.

Frankly, I can't see many issues more important than making sure you elect officials that are not going to allow your house to burn down. Not gays marrying, not abortion, not anything. If you think that voters don't concern themselves with ensuring that government infrastructure is working correctly before dealing with fluff, then I say we need to have voter educational courses out at OSU-OKC.

Hehe, same arguments on here day in and day out...the story has nothing to do with it.

OBSERVER

your gov ran on the platform of LESS govt she immediately defunded a number of programs, like the police, firefighters and of course teachers.. now I ask you if you are educated how did y9ou get that education... I'm willing to bet it was thru teachers and professors.. so that would mean you don't about education for anyone but YOU... so li9ving in OK you should grab your shovel and all and go put these fires out... and as a republican said to me the other day 'it's really god's plan'.. don't forget the names and lies you republicans have made against the prez.. but that's ok right.. so all you birthers, racists, and religious hypocrites should think about that the next time you open your mouth

@neverstop - Robertson and the rest of the quack-christian, money-loving, devil-worshiping preachers will find a homosexual and a muslim in the ashes of oklahoma and blame it on them.

Failing that, there's always Obama. Who according to the right wingers (or neo-fascists=corporate/state control) is a muslim, socialist, communist, fascist, kenyan radical anti-colonial, christian black liberation theologist.

Must be something in that chunky mess of right-wing puke to blame it on.

maxgiver:

Perhaps you need to go re-read what I wrote... Or brush up on reading comprehension before you start posting on the internet.

Reading many of these posts I can determine that there are some uninformed people out there. Oklahoma had fires several years ago when we had a Democratic Govenor in office. Some of the fires are a result of arson. Some are not. Some of the folks whose homes burnt down are registered democrats. I know of a gay couple who lost their home. As well as traditional families. And most of Oklahoma outside of metro areas are now and have for MANY YEARS been serviced by volunteer firefighters. This is not unique to Oklahoma. Some of the hateful rhetoric on here sounds as bad as those freaks from the Westboro Baptist Church who picket the funerals of our service men. You should not paint the people of Oklahoma with the same brush of intollerance. Many of us are more tollerant and loving and caring than the comments left here. And when there is a tradgedy in another state (Red or Blue) you can be sure that there will be Oklahoman's there to help with willing and generous hearts. Things aren't perfect, but stop making this a political issue. The suffering has hit many people of all faiths, beliefs and creeds.

our gurl governor sure does that on a regular basis.........cuss the feds then whine for help. This is what "it takes a village" means folks.

Why, I'm shocked that you would say that! Can there be hypocrisy in such places? Can't be!

Remember that Oklahoma is Tom Coburn country. Mr. CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING. I believe he is famously known as Dr. NO!!!!!!

It's DIFFERENT when we need help! Then Socialism is a GOOD thing.

Where in the f@ck in this article did it say they asked the Federal Government for help? They asked their neighboring states according to the article.

"Oklahoma has contacted neighboring states for help, but they are contending with their own wildfire threats and no out-of-state help is on its way, Fallin said."

Ayup. They asked their neighbors for help. But their neighbors cut taxes too. Too bad.

Chuck, OK is also home state (?) of Sen Inhofe who said Global Warming does not exist. He's always going to Africa but seldom does he come to his home state, except when running for re-election and that is only for a short time. My guess is he'll do like a lot of his predecessor OKies and stay in Washington, DC when he either retires voluntarily or finally gets defeated for re-election. If you're a resident of the state of OK send him a letter taking him to the wood-shed about something, you'll never hear from him.

They're not going to ask for help from the feds, because they hate Obama so much they'd rather see their state burn than to ask him for assistance. It's a shame when you're willing to risk losing everything because of your pride.

Mark, as a 4.0 science student you would think that you would be able to correctly spell Obama and Oklahoma.

Lightning, the forces of nature. Stands to reason that someone should of called for help before the fires got too far outta hand. Politics should not come into play when there is an emergency. Then again, look at all of the animosity and division that has been created over the past three and one half years. "To err is human, to forgive divine." These are only words, as always action or inaction speaks volumes. Where I live, if neighbors need help or are in some sort of other need, we pitch in to help. What ever happened to compassion? Then again in grade school, I never won any spelling bees, Oklahoma, Obama, oblamma Oaklahoma?

There are some of us here who support the President.......it was 60/40 in 2008. It is hard to move into the future when 60% of the people are akin to flat earthers.

Politics should not come into play when there is an emergency

Politics has EVERYTHING to do when there is an emergency. Where are the "church volunteers" that the GOP is always saying would be there to help with health insurance, fires, education, etc?

Expecting churches to come and help with everything, while the government continue giving subsidies to big oil, and tax exemptions to Mitt Romney!

Only in your dreams!

"Politics should not come into play when there is an emergency. "

Nice sounding words but people need to realize that elections have consequences. When you cry about the evils of government, why should you expect that evil government to come rescue you during an emergency?

No time to call for help before they get out of hand. That can happen in an instant. Multiply this example by ? and you'll understand.

Some years back, driving OK Hwy 9 we saw a grassfire barely starting. We immediately stopped as did the car behind us and the men ran to put it out. Despite their best efforts, within 5 min. that 6' x 6' patch they began fighting had taken out an entire hillside and was spreading. Nothing short of a firetruck (with water) arriving before then could have contained it.

OK has asked other states for help but they are dealing with the same conditions and can't. Don't think she's asked for fed aid yet.

joemike404,

"Mark, as a 4.0 science student you would think that you would be able to correctly spell Obama and Oklahoma."

Spelling has never been a strong point for scientists. They only know how to spell numbers. If you want spelling, you have to ask a liberal arts major; preferably an English major.

The lib responses verify that they are at war with their fellow Americans. Amazing how much hatred / joy can be felt over the loss of human lives and property.

Tim W.-1074098 You are a lost cause. The very term LIB RESPONSE which you have listed from Geobbels (Hannity and Limbaugh) recent propoganda shows you don't get it and cannot see past the end of your nose. There is no war against religion, the American dream, or war against "fellow Americans" by "LIBERALS" as you call them. You have been so hood-winked by the money poured into propoganda by big corporate interests that you just cannot see reality anymore. Most of those people you just condemned would be riding in displaying the generouse spirit Americans are famous for if your lot were not firing all the public sector employees, trying to teach idiocy like creationism in their schools and telling them that gays are second class citizens. Look at the social agenda of the GOP/Tea Party and then back at the "LIBERALS" and think again.......who is at was with who?

Steven,

That's a long diatribe mentioning people and talking points I never even alluded to in my post. If it makes you feel better to rant like a moron, go ahead. It's obvious from the posts here that ultra-liberals are hate filled, uneducated followers of a President who relies on their ignorance to insure another four years of incompetency and inacation. Incompetency that our country will not recover from for generations, if at all.

Just about sums it all up Steven-1488825. Thanks.

And for the record you GOP, flat-earth, science denier, no government, pray for rain tools. . . .

Have fun !

The GOP want small government then they have to deal with it.

Tim W.-1074098 - The Kettle is black.

The "gop wants small government" does not mean ALL OF US HAVE TO SUFFER FOR THEIR DISILLUSIONMENT! I want proper health care, police, firemen, teachers, regulations, air quality, water quality, ENVIRONMENT, but I cannot get these things because I have a "dead appendage" holding me back. When there is enough people out there that cannot and WILL not understand how this world works and CHOSE to live life under the false idea that some divine God will save them before oblivion then we ALL WILL SUFFER THE SAME FATE. These idiots came to political meetings with loaded guns shouting down reasonable politicians DEMANDING they wanted "their country back" during the 2010 elections. They managed to send some of their ignorant puppets to Washington and they proceeded to dismantle 200 plus years of diplomacy and reasoning by consensus. They managed to tear down century's of by-partisanship with lies and innuendo, FOR WHAT? Wanting their country back managed to take their country even further out of their reach. Good intentions from some teabaggers cannot undo the destruction done by those intentions, that will take many years to resolve IF WE EVER RECUPERATE FROM THE DISASTER THEY CAUSED.

Dumb Ass! Can't spell, can't think!

Amen baby! just pray and it will be all better....wait a minute...doesn't God have a plan? Doesn't he have this all planned out as an omnicient being? So why would he change it for praying? Wait...is he "punishing them" to test their faith? Hmmm...maybe he is trying to tell them something....maybe he is tired of them making up stupid crap and saying it is God's plan....or wait, maybe the fact that billions of humans have made up thousands of different religions, all equally ademant that they have the right religion, which are centered around how important humans are means that we are just idiots. Hmmm