No amount of money will bring her son back nor compensate her for the hurt she and her family are feeling. She may be able to file a Civil Suit against George Zimmerman but probably after he is found guilty of a crime.

Here you go, Champ:

....Zimmerman was being assaulted by a violent racist punk thug.

which of course points out the folly and hypocrisy of this line:

....please tell me you are at least smart enough to understand that calling a racist a racist does not automatically make me a racist

PantherHunter, everyone is entitle to their own opinion, and it does not have to be the same as yours. Welcome the the USA where we are granted that right. The Jury will decide, not any of us here. You can type all of the violent racist punk thug comments that you'd like to, but that will not sway the people who don't believe. Why not have a rational debate, and if you cannot substantiate your point without resorting to trash like that, just stay away. You take away Martin's right to be innocent until proven guilty with your comments. That is his right, especially after his death. Have some decency.

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justin and culheath you made panther hunters point, and the shame is neither of you can see it. He called Martin a racist. calling Martin a racist DOES NOT make him a racist. but alas as he said neither of you are smart enough to understand that.

Sybrina Fulton is also seeking money from a state fund set up to help crime victims and their families, it said.

How about we wait for the trial to find out who was the victim and who was the attacker?

culheath.. You apparently haven't taken the time to look at Martin's criminal history.

This whole thing is getting to be way too divided. Isn't it possible they were BOTH to blame for this situation? Sure, Martin didn't deserve to die and Zimmerman didn't deserve to be beaten. But we're all attacking eachother, throwing the race card around, all based on the tripe they feed us on this page and other news outlets. It's almost as if everyone actually wants a race war. Get a hold of yourselves people. Niether one of them acted appropriately, and I see few here as well.

But we're all attacking eachother, throwing the race card around, all based on the tripe they feed us on this page and other news outlets. It's almost as if everyone actually wants a race war.

the fact"s of the matter....

@Culhealth: are you kidding? Have you read or researched anything about TM? Wanna be racist thug pretty much nails it correctly. You must live in a box if you think the was an average 17 year old kid, just minding his own business, walknig along dragging a stick against a fence or something. Holy goodness.

With the story: It does not surprise me that they are going for the money because that was their intention the entire time: getting high vis people who I dont respect enough to name here, to come in front of a camera to cry racism and "poor me" garbage. Hoping that they would get camera time, which they did, hoping they could capitalize on a loss that they could care less about. Why would I say that? what are they doing, that does not include monetary compensation, to honor their child. Them, what are THEY doing, not other people, them. read it carefully. Go ahead, I will wait.....

How sad they the mother just wants to make money off of this tragedy.

I take that the homeowners’ association is prodomantly white. Also I see his mother is making it about money now and so soon. The value of her sons life is $75,000.00 eh? I didn't expect anything less out of the Martin parents. They're showing their true colors now!!!!

Well lets see. The Martins son Trayvon tries to kill an innocent person in a brutal attack because Trayvon was caught casing and now the Martins want to be compensated? Whatever happened to owning up to the fact that your child is a thug?

So I guess it wasn't enough for this woman to trademark her son's name after he died..............now she has to go after an innocent 3rd party that frankly had nothing to do with the situation. Regardless of what your thoughts on Zimmerman are, it's insane to think that any of his neighbors should be financially punished for his actions.

However one thing that is clear is that the Martin family represents everything that's wrong with America today. A broken family, an absent father, a juvenile delinquent who's been suspended from school numerous times for drug dealing, vandalism, etc. It's clear that George Zimmerman acted aggressively and made decisions based on racial stereotypes, but let's not act like Trayvon and his family were a group of saints either. There are nothing but losers involved in this case.

Well lets see. The Martins son Trayvon tries to kill an innocent person in a brutal attack because Trayvon was caught casing and now the Martins want to be compensated? Whatever happened to owning up to the fact that your child is a thug?

Let's be honest here..................no one is happier that Trayvon was killed this way as Mrs. Martin. Remember, the only reason he was even in that community that night is because she had kicked him out of the house earlier. Since then she's managed to accept weeks worth of paid vacations from her co-workers, trademark her son's name for monetary gain, and is now starting a rampage where she'll sue anything and anyone that is even remotely related to this case. I feel bad for her son; even if he did attack Zimmerman that night, I don't believe he deserved to die. But it's really hard to have any sort of sympathy for the family when they've been looking at their son's death as nothing more than a winning lottery ticket.

Perhaps we should ALL relax, let the case go to trial, see what FACTS are provided by sworn testimony and then, and ONLY then, can we form an enlightened opinion as to what transpired the night of the killing of Trevon Martin. I know it is a lot to ask to wait until George Zimmerman is found guilty, or NOT guilty, by a jury of his peers but that is the reasonable, correct, and lawful thing to do, in my opinion. The problem will then become, can we accept the facts and truth?

The Homeowners association has almost zero liability; for any insurance to cover the damages, it must first be shown that the insured has liability, insurance is indemnity for liability; this was a tragic event, Travelers will treat it as a nuisance suit, offer a small settlement, and close the case.

When is this low life going to stop trying to profit off the death of her son? Had she been a responsible parent, he would still be alive!

What makes him a bigot is that he would call Martin a "violent racist thug" when in fact there is no basis whatsoever

Then you would have to admit that anyone and everyone that has been calling Zimmerman a racist, is, in fact, racist themselves.

She should not get one cent until the case is decided. Maybe if mom spent as much time properly parenting her son as she seems to have to ride the coat tails of his death, the delinquent wouldn't have been on a school suspension, roaming the streets, when he should have been in school. And where was dad? Oh yeah, another absent father in the black community - what else is new?!

The irony here and I know that this will probably evoke some ire from the many racist posters that abound here, is that this case has spotlighted the dangers of imposing ones racism on another person, so much so that it ends their life. Some of you believe that Black racism caused this. Some believe that Zimmerman is not White when in reality he is about as White as Homer Plessy was . In actuality none of you is really purely White. So we judge someones value based on appearance primarily. Even when it was shown that the Trayvonne Martin that was the NOLIMITN was not the deceased, some people discounted that information and dismiss that he really was a typical teen. I say this as someone who has worked with teenagers for over 30 years. But there will be justice here mark my words. GZ can no longer live in America because and make no mistake about it there is price on his head for what he did and even if he moves he probably will be relatively easy to kill in Peru. So I believe no matter what he does or where he goes he will never be an old man. And the fear he will live in will cause him to live a thousand deaths before it actually finds him.....Racist all over America take note of his fate it will be your fate too .....Live by the sword die by the sword.

SURPRSIE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT!!!! the only question in my mind is what took her so long to startfiling thelawsuits I fully expected she would file???? Getting REAL close to election day and we ahve to JUST HAVE TO keep this story in the LIMELIGHT!!!!!

WHAT ABOUT FULL DISCLOSURE on exactly how much $$$$$$$ this woman has already raked in on trademarking Trayvons name????? We all know that T-shirts and other merchandise have been on the market and have been sold at atleast on rally there in Florida!!!! When is enough, enough???? THis woman and her ex husband both were employed. Correct??? They are now not capable of going back to work?? Nobody has donated any money to them for their expenses?? (BS)

Makes me sick that she demonizes GZ when she is ALL ABOUT THE BUCKS!!!!!! When she is all about having her head stuck up the backsides of Sharpton and gang. When she never ONCE decried the bounty on GZ head placed there by the "new black panther party". When she had nothing to say to the media about her buddy SPIKE nearly getting the elderly couple injured and potentially set up to be MURDERED!!!

What I am most sick of is the continous racial predjuidce from the side that is ALLEDGEDLY the victim. The labeling/profiling of GZ the purported " WHITE HISPANIC". At least teh case made HISTORY and turned all hispanics into WHITES. I guess we shoud all just be able to get along in perfect harmony cause we are the same color??? TEll that to the gangs in prisons all over the country!!!!!

GZ has NOT been tried or convicted of ANYTHING yet. THis GREEDY, SELF SERVING woman should ahv eat least waited until AFTER the trial and then sued if the verdict came back guilty!!!

BRING ON the name calling, nasty comments, verdicts of "scrwedworld" is a RACIST. DOn't give a good god dang!!!! This is my opinion, which the 1st amendment guarentees me the right to express!!!

Let's see here.....GZ gets Millions donated, and giving to him, and it's FINE AND DANDY!! But if TM family seeks any kind of monetary compensation it's somehow trying to profit off her child's MURDER!! Have you ever heard of LEGAL FEES?!?!?! I see some double standards!!! Some Americans are PATHETIC!!!

Who didn't see this coming?

GZ gets Millions donated, and giving to him, and it's FINE AND DANDY!! But if TM family seeks any kind of monetary compensation it's somehow trying to profit off her child's MURDER!! Have you ever heard of LEGAL FEES?!?!?! I see some double standards!!! Some Americans are PATHETIC!!!

First of all, no one has a problem if anyone wants to donate their own money to Trayvon's mother. It's the fact that she's out there filing lawsuits against innocent 3rd parties that has people upset. And what 'legal fees' are you talking about? The only reason she would need an attorney is so that she can continue filing lawsuits and profiting off her son's death.

mackman,

You mean child's killing. Being killed in self defense is not murder.

FTFY

NO ONE POSTING HERE KNOWS THE TRUTH.

speculation and propaganda is all i read above.

None of you were there or know the facts of this case beyond the medias infotainment spewing.

So for all of you choosing sides in this treyvon martin mess... you ALL look like RACIST to me.

Cowboy justice is alive and well on the newsvine.

Just another irresponsible liberal blaming everyone else for her own damn problems looking for yet another handout. Why is it that these liberals can never own up to their own faults and feel the need to blame someone else...or everyone else? It's a sad thing that the boy had to die this way but it could easily have been prevented from within himself and his family. Now quit wasting our time and money...Ms. and Mr. Martin, I'm talking to YOU!

$75,000.00 is exactly the right amount for a probable out of court settlement. the homeowners assn's. insurance co. could spend 5 to 10 times that amount in attorney fee's to defend themselves. they will probably settle at 25K to 50K.

this whole incident was less about race and more about poor decisions by both humans involved.

Fulton and her former husband, Tracy Martin, also filed a claim with the state's Crimes Compensation Trust Fund for emergency crime-victim assistance, the Sentinel reported, citing records released by the Florida Attorney General's office. The claim was approved March 29, the report said, but the dollar amount was not disclosed.

The fund provides payouts of up to $50,000 to defray costs incurred by victims of crimes, such as lost wages, medical care, funerals and counselling, according to the Florida Attorney General's office.

Someone please tell me exactly why it is that 2 adult parents who WERE both working at the time of their son's death, and who have both taken an indefinite leave (voluntarily) from their jobs, NEED victims assistance funds??? Their CHILD was not the sole breadwinner or ANY breadwinner of the household; and while sad to say, he's not in need of medical care; a funeral is a one time expense and counseling is NOT $75,000 unless you go for years and years.

Now they want to sue the HOA?? Of course they do, because they have insurance and "deep pockets" in the minds of these parents and their lawyers. This kind of behavior from "grieving parents" even before the criminal trial, is suspect to me and obviously alot of other people here too.

@cul, SNAP & Oh, SNAP!!!!! LOL

Let's be honest here..................no one is happier that Trayvon was killed this way as Mrs. Martin...

Since then she's managed to accept weeks worth of paid vacations from her co-workers, trademark her son's name for monetary gain, and is now starting a rampage where she'll sue anything and anyone that is even remotely related to this case.

Tom Marvolo, that is an extremely heinous accusation that you are throwing at Mrs. Martin, and I think, an incorrect one. What parent, that is a human being, would be happy that their child died? Before you jump to such extreme conclusions, you should think about what's actually going on in the situation.

Mrs. Martin knows that some vultures will try to cash in on her son's death - i.e., movies made, T-shirts sold, etc. And she's just saying that, if anyone's going to make money off of her son's death, because you know someone will try, then it's going to be her. I don't blame her, and I don't think anyone would object to a parent trying to prevent and/or benefit from the inevitable commercialization of her son's plight.

However, I agree that making a civil case out of this is the wrong route. This is not a civil dispute that is about money and can be settled with money. This is a criminal case that is about the loss of life, and no amount of money will ever be worth the life of her son.

I just don't figure I understand why she needs money from her son's death. Monitary awards are to be for the wife and children of a murder victim because of the lost income. Why is it that so many people believe they should always get money at the loss of a loved one? I just really don't understand it.

Now as for the nutcase who killed him, he shouldn't get any money for any reason.

there's a claim called 'loss of consortium' that can be brought by any member of the deceased's family. it's damages awarded for 'pain and suffering' caused by the loss of 'companionship' of a loved one due to negligence or wrongdoing.

money is a bandage that many times stops the bleeding even though it doesn't remove the pain. if money can lighten their load in the slightest, they deserve it.

irene46

there's a claim called 'loss of consortium' that can be brought by any member of the deceased's family. it's damages awarded for 'pain and suffering' caused by the loss of 'companionship' of a loved one due to negligence or wrongdoing.

Well the victims fund wasn't "at fault" and the intent is to help with the financial burdens... funeral would be the only expense that I am aware of.

I guess it will be up to the courts to figure if the HOA is even partly responsible but again that will be based on the criminal case.. unlike OJ, if it is decided it was self defense that would put the fault on Trayvon and then it gets messy.

Thanks for the information Irene. I appreciate it.

Don't get me wrong--lost of consortium claims are for widows/spouses/children. Not parents of the victim of a crime.

I find this woman's claims at best, creepy, and at worst, a way to profit from her son's death. That's ridiculous.

I agree that the parents are treating this like a lottery win. Your son was a wannabe thug, he got killed sooner instead of later, and now you should shut up, get out of the "give me some money line", and greive for your son, not seek a payday......

If you had spent as much time & energy into raising him as you are now, you wouldn't be the topic of this kind of crap......

Thank you Jim! It is a terrible thing that happened. I never was allowed to walk in San Antonio for a bag of skittles or any other reason. Where was the adult to take him to the store? With all the lovely sex offenders out there I would not let a 17 yr old and little brother stay home alone. I live in sticks now and I don't let my kids play outside with out me. What is wrong with people? Take care of your kids. Stay at home with them, raise them yourself. Daycares are not the place to be these days either to many children being "forgot" in the vehicle to die of heat.

alumette, Do you pass judgment often? Might be nice if Zimmerman was convicted by a jury first.

He is absolutely a killer, the only question is whether or not he is a murderer.

No the question is whether he is a criminal or not. Trial by due process is a right guaranteed to all peoples in the USA, that includes people you don't like.

As his trial has yet to actually happen, George Zimmerman is still considered innocent of any crime.

Too many people wish to dispatch with the due process and proceed straight to the execution. After all isn't the USA built on the idea of mob rule and trial by media?

We have a wonderful system of justice in America.

George Zimmerman will be tried in a court of law where the jury will hand down the verdict as the final word.

Judge Lester is highly thought of in the legal community. He is a letter-of-the-law judge.

They were not victims of Trayvon Martin. They were victims of George Zimmerman. Of course, they could always turn around and sue him to recoup anything they have to pay out if their insurance company doesn't pay. But, hey, George is gonna have to start soliciting again.

It's always been about money with the parents

That's a BS cheap shot!!!

I understand their son died. I have two children myself.

But how many parents take an indefinite leave of absence (both of them) after a child's death? Not very many...but hey, they don't have to work, everybody and their brother is supporting them.

It WAS about their son, it's NOW about the money.

JS,

This will not stand. Nobody had any duty to try to stop Zimmerman from doing his "patrols" as you call them. He was not breaking the law by doing so. And even if he was, then it is the state's failure to stop him from doing his "patrols."

None of you were there on the night of the incident. You have no idea what actually happened, only what a biased media has told you. You should have the common sense to know that the media will publish anything because their sole purpose for being is to sell advertisements, make you buy newspapers and magazines, and to produce clicks on on-line articles. You have no right to judge. That is the responsibility of the jury. This would all be a non-story if the incident did not involve one white person and one black person. How many stories do you read every Monday after 6, 7, or more black people kill each other in Chicago or Detroit over the weekend? Stop acting like the misinformed children that you are and let the jury decide.

sure give them the compensation in the amount of what he would have made over the course of his life LEGALLY. That would cover the amount of a bag of skittles. He was a thug gangbanger and more than likely would not have seen his 21st birthday.

I certainly understand her sense of loss. But I fail to see where the home owners association is liable, unless the actively encouraged Zimmerman to act as an armed, untrained, pseudo-policeman.

He [Zimmerman] apparently had the right to carry a concealed weapon, which is not to say his use of said weapon was justified. I'm not sure what the home owners association could do to prevent him from "patrolling" the neighborhood.

And there it is, exactly what every thinking person knew it was about, the Gang Banger's parents want a pay day. This has never been about race, except that the black community (Sharpton, the parents & their lawyers) were playing the race card to extort money. The ironic part is that they didn't even have the patience to wait for the trial which is already rigged. They been spending the money already in anticipation of the big pay day and now need cash. So they now put their motives out on the street figuring they've already intimidated the white politicians and judges. They now have to exact a settlement before the facts come out at trial and the world sees what a piece of trash their gang-banging son really was and that he was trying to murder George Zimmerman, but got the tables turned on him.

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Zimmerman

By: Masoninblue Wednesday July 25, 2012 9:07 am

Cross posted fromFrederick Leatherman Law Blog.

The shooter in a self-defense case with an unarmed victim usually claims that he thought the person he killed was armed and reaching for a weapon when he shot and killed him.

Key questions about a flashlight and other aspects of the Trayvon Martin killing (Photo: Jared and Corin / Flickr).

GZ has not made that claim with the exception of his first “apology” to TM’s parents in court at the first bail hearing when he said he thought TM might be armed.

I have been wondering why he hasn’t been claiming all along that he thought TM was armed.

As he was sitting in his vehicle, GZ told the dispatcher that TM was reaching into his waistband as TM was approaching him. He said TM walked past the vehicle, broke into a run, and disappeared from GZ’s view. This statement set up the I-thought-he-was-armed defense.

After he shot and killed TM a few minutes later, he patted him down for a weapon, but did not find one.

He did not admit patting him down. Instead, he said TM was lying face down. He mounted him from behind, grabbed his hands, and stretched TM’s arms out to the side in a Y-position to prevent TM, who was still struggling and cursing him at that point, from reaching his (GZ’s) gun lying nearby in the grass.

We know this story is a lie because TM’s hands were underneath his body when the police arrived at the scene. Both of TM’s lungs were collapsed and he could not push any air through his vocal cords to utter a sound, much less speak a word. More important, TM would have lost consciousness and died instantly after the gunshot destroyed his right ventricle and collapsed both lungs.

A witness told the police that she saw the large man straddling the boy, who was lying face down in the grass, and running his hands up and down the boy’s back. Her description sounds like a search for weapons.

These two established facts lead me to believe that GZ thought TM was armed with some sort of weapon when he got out of his vehicle and set off in pursuit of him to prevent this particular “@!$%#” and “punk” from getting away like all of the others.

Because GZ believed TM was armed, I have a difficult time believing GZ did not pull his gun out of his holster before he spotted TM and approached him.

I surmise that when he realized after the shooting that TM was not armed, he decided not to claim that he believed TM was armed because such a claim would have been inconsistent with the struggle and screaming. That is, if TM were armed, he would have drawn his weapon during the fight. A claim that he believed TM was reaching for his (TM’s) weapon and he (GZ) killed him to prevent TM from killing him would not withstand scrutiny.

GZ only had a minute or two to scramble together a story to tell the police before they arrived. I think he decided to reject the I-thought-he-was-armed defense, since TM did not have a weapon, and he decided instead to go with the-psycho-Black-gangsta-Mofo-jumped-and-attempted-to-kill-me-with-his-bare-hands defense because he (GZ) had some bleeding injuries from his struggle with TM. Then he replaced the I-thought-he-was-reaching-for-his-gun narrative with the I-felt-him-reaching-for-my-gun-in-my-holster story to conceal that he had already drawn his gun before the physical encounter started.

Because he must have known that an aggressor cannot claim self-defense, he conveniently left out the part that he attacked and attempted to restrain TM. To justify using deadly force in self-defense, he claimed TM attacked him and was slamming his head against the concrete in an effort to kill him. Unfortunately for him, the wounds to the back of his head and the pattern of blood flow depicted in the photograph of the back of his head taken at the scene of the shooting disprove this scenario.

I have been wondering why GZ’s key chain and little flashlight were found next to the N/S sidewalk a few feet south of the T-intersection and close to the tree. This is Item 1 on the Total Station. The flashlight was on.

The rest of the items, including the tan 7/11 bag (Item 2), spent casing (Item 6), GZ’s black tactical flashlight (Item 5) and TM’s cell phone (Item 7) were found close to TM’s body approximately 40 feet south of the intersection.

Why is the key chain and flashlight up near the intersection instead of with the rest of the items?

I have never believed TM attacked GZ at the intersection. I suspect he was hiding in the shadows one or two houses down from the intersection talking to DeeDee on his cell phone when GZ spotted him from the intersection.

I think GZ most likely was running or jogging E/B on the cut-through sidewalk from RVC, where he went to see if TM was running S/B toward the rear entrance to the neighborhood. When he did not see him, he realized TM must have run into the area between the two rows of townhouses. He turned around and retraced his route spotting TM from the intersection.

I am on a Board of Directors for my community. We also have a community watch program that includes all residents. Any homeowner is free to keep an eye out for problems without direction from the BOD. I believe that there would have to be proof that GZ was authorized to do patrols by the BOD...maybe written minutes from a Board meeting...to prove that the HOA was liable for his actions. Not sure if having a community watch program makes all residents liable for court action directed at the HOA.

Brenda - I'm fairly certain you didn't mean to use the word "gerrymandering". Zimmerman, to my knowledge, has very little to do with re-arranging voting districts. Also, he wasn't ordered by police, as you claim, to not follow. A 9-1-1 operator told him they didn't need him to do that. Big difference. Also, I've never seen anyone claim that the head wounds sustained by Zimmerman were from being attacked from behind. Everything I've seen indicates those were from his head striking the sidewalk when he was on his back. Finally, you're right, the Constitution doesn't say anything about firing a gun (why would it?) but Florida does have a law that allows you to defend yourself, which is what the issue is in this case. None of us were there, and judgement should be reserved until all the facts are presented in court.

Also, just because you annoy me...a 17 year old has won Wimbledon before, and the French Open has had two 17 year old champs. I have absolutely no idea why you brought that up as they added absolutely nothing of value to your argument.

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He mounted him from behind, grabbed his hands, and stretched TM’s arms out to the side in a Y-position to prevent TM, who was still struggling and cursing him at that point, from reaching his (GZ’s) gun lying nearby in the grass.

Both of TM’s lungs were collapsed and he could not push any air through his vocal cords to utter a sound, much less speak a word. More important, TM would have lost consciousness and died instantly after the gunshot destroyed his right ventricle and collapsed both lungs.

you all have thoughtful comments #2.30

it's no wonder this comment was collapsed by the 'z' camp. it brings out extremely common sense points that prove what a liar geoz happens to be. they destroy a lot of rationale as to why they support him so vehemently.

how can they believe a single word pouring from geoz's lying lips after making the totally insane assertion trayvon was cussing, struggling and trying reach for the gun after being shot in the heart.

the only reason for the willingness to swallow such an completely incredulous and inane tale would be to avoid having to dismiss the preconceived notion that if a black youth is killed he must have deserved it. after all, let them tell it, they're nothing but hood rats and thugs.

Irene

Excellent point! I completely agree with you.

how can they believe a single word pouring from geoz's lying lips after making the totally insane assertion trayvon was cussing, struggling and trying reach for the gun after being shot in the heart.

It's disgusting how they continue to disregard the true facts that blaringly contradict Zimmermans many changing "stories!"

They also deleted this (O'Mara said this MySpace page of GZ--under name of JoeG--is authentic)

http://www.myspace.com/onlytobekingagain

About me:

... I can hit my boy up to handle a lil somethin with my sister and he's at my house with his boys on bikes before i hang up with her! They do a year and dont ever open thier mouth to get my ass pinched...

Im still free! The ex hoe tried her hardest, but the judge saw through it! Big Mike, reppin the Dverse security makin me look a million bucks, broke her down! Thanks to everyone for checkin up on me! Stay tuned for the A.T.F. charges......

andGood news???? Bout Damn time!!!!!!!

2 felonies dropped to 1 misdemeanor!!!!!!!!!!! The man knows he was wrong but still got this hump, Thanks to everyone friends and fam, G baby you know your my rock!

Msnbc wrote--

Posting under the pseudonym "Joe G,"Zimmerman wrote about "mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft a-- wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around" and "gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into

World English Dictionary

gerrymander (ˈdʒɛrɪˌmændə)

— vb

1.
to divide the constituencies of (a voting area) so as to give one party an unfair advantage

2.
to manipulate or adapt to one's advantage

— n

3.
an act or result of gerrymandering

[C19: from Elbridge Gerry, US politician + ( sala ) mander ; from the salamander-like outline of an electoral district reshaped (1812) for political purposes while Gerry was governor of Massachusetts]

gerry'mandering

— n

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She should sue Zimmerman right now, too. No matter how much gerrymandering Zimmerman attempts he will not walk because we do know that he is responsible for Martin's death, even if he is found guilty only of involuntary manslaughter. The fact that he felt it was necessary to carry a gun while he stalked Martin to me makes it at least voluntary manslaughter (having the right to bear arms is irrelevant; if we allow that to be used, then any criminal who kills someone while in the commission of a crime could claim it and should, if he is successful at using it). Nowhere in the US Constitution does it say that anyone has the right to discharge a weapon. There is also no rule that says he must first be tried in the criminal trial before being sued civilly. After all, Simpson was found not not guilty in the criminal suit, but was found guilty during the civil suit; it wouldn't have mattered which came first The reason I'd sue Zimmerman now would be to exhaust his PayPal account and force him to spend all of the donated money he has received so that he can use a public defender just like the other criminals out there. As for the condo association, they were negligent and $75,000 is a drop in the bucket. I'd pay that and feel lucky.

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thanx, brenda. looks like you're the one 'who is more right'. just learned something...lol.

Irene, have you gone to this site?

This is a great site with maps and photos + analysis of the evidence. (Very logically and scientifically presented)

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Click.............. http://imgur.com/a/bcAII
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"It looks like George Zimmerman drove around the gated community for about 2 minutes passing by the clubhouse 5x before stopping at the mailboxes for 10 seconds and finally parking further east after a U-turn (pointing WEST) so that he could face the mailboxes RIGHT BEFORE calling SPD."

The surveillance cameras at various locations at the clubhouse can pick up car lights on both Twin Lane and Retreat Circle roads!

More baseless allegations. Trayvon Martin ATTACKED Zuimmerman, NOT the other way around. People like you numbskull racists and bigots that ignore the TRUTH are no different than Trayvon Martin or the Neo-Nazi idiot that murderd the SIKHs.

Trayvon was a defiant and racist person who was looking to do harm to anyone that was not black first and another black secondly.

Now his "mother" is wanting money, and that just shows you what "values" Trayvon was taught.

I believe State "stand your ground" laws trump HOA guidelines.

"culheath"...

You've got me confused culheath, I am not a BIack Panther, do not support the racist in the White House and am not siding with the dead racist attacker.

Mind sharing the formula you use to determine the value of a life, Tim?

Double post.

Uh, Panther Hunter...Zimmerman is not half Mexican. In fact, he is not any Mexican. He is Caucasian and Peruvian. Only a racist would assume that all "hispanics" are Mexican.

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"culheath"...

I find it hilarious that you continue to call me a racist for speaking out against bIack racism ... if I were to speak out against the Klan or a bunch of white racists instead of bIack ones would you call me a racist then as well?

Panther Hunter, he is calling you a racist because you are stereotyping Travon Martin as a "little homey racist". The clincher is the word homey. If you had just said racist, I think many people would not care. You chose to add the derogatory term homey, which implies black. Are you really that obtuse, or are you just pretending to make yourself feel better?

The same way I would call a Klanman a punk redneck racist ... so, I guess that would make me a racist as well ... yawn.

i wonder how all of this will be twisted around so that in the end I will lose more freedoms?

In the end this will cost me the right to bear arms?

Why punish all of America?

Racist... someone who thinks one race is superior to another, learn the word so you can use it correctly.

The evidence that is already in the public domain is that the perpetrator of a violent hate crime was shot by his victim ...

Sounds like a pretty accurate assessment of his thought processes.

Of course, in the end its all about money.

of course, and she's finding it in all the nooks and crannys. She's using a victims fund that should be used when a source of support is taken away from you. Is she saying that trayvon was providing financial support for her and now she has lost it??? keep grabbing and using. show how worthless u really are......

I just hope the jury is Actually educated, because God knows Theres alot of damn Idiots Kept out of the light and fed there News through there Media Controled tv's.

Anything to keep this BS in the news. Anyone else want to sue for mental anquish that MSN keeps hitting us with this crap to sensationalize another death.

Public information of SOME of the evidence does not produce a verdict, because all the public has is SOME of thst evidence. Of course we have had all the race baiting by MSNBC and others throughout this entire sad affair of events. As for mom in this report, looks like the old evil surfaced ... all about money.

Patrick-3955013

I just hope the jury is Actually educated, because God knows Theres alot of damn Idiots Kept out of the light and fed there News through there Media Controled tv's.

No doubt about that, just look at the number of idiots, and complacent fools commenting here that already have ole Zimmerman hanging out to dry, mostly because the victim is black.... how racist is that!!

I'm surprised as hell that MSNBC didn't post another picture of a 12 yr. old innocent looking Tyrvon, instead of his Youtube middle-finger waving photo shot.

Totally agree....how about the courts decide guilt and innocense before the unnecessary law suits begin....that is usually the first words out of their mouths.....SUE someone.

She seems like a real piece of work. Seems the whole angle has been "How big of a piece of pie can I get" from her. I for one would like to know how she spends the money if she gets it. I am sure she will be donating a large portion of it to charities that work to keep troubled youths off the streets. Then I am positive she will use some of the money to help train neighborhood watch participants in proper techniques of surveillance and reporting. DOUBTFUL!!! Can you spell M-E-R-C-E-D-E-S!?!

I am sick and tired of hearing about the whole thing. Had it happened the other way around it would have been page 10 news and we would have heard nothing more about it 2 days after it happened. You bet there is a double standard here in the U.S. It is staring us right in the face and I for one am tired of it. Yes I was raised with prejudice in my household based on skin colors. Along the way though I realized/learned that color has little to do with things. I choose to let people make an impression on me with their actions and words, then I can truly gauge who/what they are. This is how I am raising my son now.

I dislike bigots but I hate HYPOCRITES!!!!

zimmerman is in a pickle. the hoa thugs get violent when the grass grows too long, and by god, the hoa board will seize your property for not abiding to the covenants. yet, they are scared cowards, resorting to lawyers and county muni's to do their scandalous terrorism. they won't back zimmerman, admitting he was on the payroll, or being raised to 'hired gun' to victimize the occupants of their fiefdom.

he is a dead man walking. no friends on the 'inside' and no friends on the outside. murder is murder. he should get the death penalty in florida. the hoa board are all accomplices.

This is so sad. People bringing Dems or Reps into this. This was an ACCIDENT...no racial profiling involved.
I have police friends also. This was a smartass punk kid and a scared guy policing the streets. ANYONE wonder
what this kid was doing out this late??? Not came up???

Then whats even sadder is the mom....sueing....guess money or a new Chrysler 300 make her feel better.
I pray she doesnt get a damn dime. The homeowners assn policy will doom her with that clause and the
victims fund is just that.....if Travan had lived, he would be entitled to it....not big mama!

The victims money set aside for these types of things are for helping with funeral costs.. That is all she should get from that acct. Funerals run about 12k. As far as the Homeowners association, well, that depends on the contract they have and it sounds like they have a clause that protects them from lawsuit due to bodily damage and death. I can't help but wonder why the Martins feel that they should be entitled to so much money, it won't bring trayvon back. So many moms have lost a child to violence, but they don't want monetary compensation most only want their child back... if only they could.

Are you nuts or what???? Has anyone yet explained what the kid was doing in a gated neighborhood at night???

I'm not sure how to respond to this one. So I'll let it pass, you jump on it!

Someone needs to just explain what he was doing in a gated community late at night....he just walked past the gates and decided he wanted to be in that area???? Come on get real...there could have only been one reason to be in a place where you have no business being in...think about it.

Bob-902090

I believe it's already been established that he was leaving his father's home - who actually lived in the gated community. So last time I checked, visiting one's parents means he had the right to be there. As to anything else you commented about, pure speculation. Hello, do you not read all the facts? Oh yeah that's right......you're as bad as his parents, whatever causes more hate and inflaming you're godd with it.

On it, #6.22- Try "AYFKM????????????????" "DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY THAT?????????????"

I'm going back to try and read all of "you all have thoughtful comments"' COLLAPSED BY "COMMUNITY" COMMENTS!!!

Great!

You just have to click on the words-- "Comment collapsed by community"

Did not see these comment when the Goldman's sued OJ

read the whole story bob ,his dads girlfriend lived there. and who cares he wasnt bothering anyone and he sure didnt deserve to die even if he was tresspassing. george zimmerman was told point blank by police dispatch DO NOT FOLLOW . he did what he was supposed to do which is to report suspicious activity to the police he should have left it at that and let the police do their job. and he followed this young man in his car .why did he get out of the car if he felt threatened? he had no rite to kill this young man. im white and my son dresses the same way with the hoodies and the big head phones and the pants that are 3 sizes to big but he is a good kid, has never been in trouble with the law, recently graduated and works part time and also babysits his little sister so me and his mother can both work. you cant judge kids by the way they look. thats just the style young kids are wearing today. long story short. ZIMMERMAN WAS TOLD BY POLICE DO NOT FOLLOW HE IGNORED THAT JUMPED OUT OF THE CAR TO CONFRONT A YOUNG MAN THAT WASNT BOTHERING ANYBODY STARTED GETTING HIS A$$ WHOOPED AND SHOT AND KILLED AN UNARMED KID!!! he thought he was gonna hold the kid til cops got there but bit off more than he could chew. and his mother deserves to be compensated by the people who hired this guy because they should have made a better choice than george zimmerman. he is guilty ,he will be found guilty, and he will go to prison. and the only reason colour has anything to do with this case is because zimmerman was scared of the dangerous black man because he is a coward. wasted all the time im gonna waste on you bobby boy have a good one, or dont who cares....

dscott, except it's entirely possible that he did as the dispatcher instructed and stopped following - we already know that he was ALREADY out of his car when he was asked not to follow

SEVEN PM is NOT LATE!

He was staying there, he had EVERY RIGHT to be there!

Barney Fife was on duty, followed, tried to detain the kid, without explanation, and pulled his gun out, and MURDERED the kid!

I HOPE the parents sue the HOA for everything they've GOT!

I guess mama didnt make enough money selling T-shirts on the Po Little Trayvon tour.

Siron- Good point. Thanks.

If you are going to try and add insight, please stick as close to the facts as possible. The exact words used by the dispatcher were "We don't need you to do that." In my opinion, that is a far cry from "DO NOT FOLLOW." Taken in context - which was after George had exited his vehicle and began following Trevon - the discussion between George and the dispatcher was not of the dispatcher ordering the caller to 'cease and desist' as your comment implies. There is also no evidence that George felt threatened by Trevon at any point prior to Trevon allegedly attacking George so your statement about exiting a vehicle while feeling threatened makes no sense. Please also note, that according to George's statement, he was not 'on watch' when he noticed Trevon, he was on his way to the store. Everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as it is based upon factual information. You may interpret the facts as you like, but please stop adding your own twist to the facts to backup your opinion. I beleive this is what many people's main complaint of Fox news is...

SURPRSIE, SURPRISE SURPRISE!!! NOT!!! My question is what took her so long to start filing the lawsuits that I fully expected she would???? Timing??? Getting close to election day?? Haven't had a story written in a couple of days so it's time to bring it all up again????

Did the woman NOT trademark her sons' name???? Did she NOT profit already from all this??? YEAH SHE DID!!! She and her ex husband are fully capable of working and supporting themselves. They could have gone back to work and continued to live their lives like hundreds of thousands of parents of other children killed every year!!! They are NOT any more special than any of the dozens of kids that have been victims of guns this year and we sure as hell aren't spending hundreds of hours writing stories or commenting about them.

I am sick of this case and the race baiting, predjuicical manner of the media and some of the public. This story created a new buzz word, "WHITE HISPANIC". I guess now whites, hispanics etc.. should all get along in perfect harmoney cause we are all the same color right?? Go tell that to the gangs in the prisons across the nation. I am sick of the greed of the media and sick of this womans GREED!!! She could have at least waited until there was a trial and waited to see if there even ends up being a guilty verdict!!! But no she's got her head up the backside of Sharpton and gang and do what ever they think to get the media attention going and rake in all the profits off this she can. WOW she deserves the mother of the year award! NOT!!!

Does anybody even remember the name of the white child burned alive this year solely because he was white???? Does anybody remember the name of the elderly gentleman beaten for no other reason than "for TRAYVON???"

his job as block captain was to report suspicious activity. thats all! he had no reason to do anything other than that. and what do you think the 911 operator was refering to with we dont need you to do that? obviously it was something that she felt he shouldnt have done ,and we all know it was about following the kid come on. and how do i know he felt threatened? well he was threatened enough to dial 911, he was threatened enough to have his pistol locked and loaded and ready to fire. he was threatened enough to pull his pistol and fire at an unarmed kid. look he thought he was gonna be the big man and grab some punk and hold him for the cops, but it didnt happen that way, he started losing and then shot and killed an innocent kid that had every rite to be in that gated community. and truthfully if im walking along , not bothering anybody, and im in an area that i have every rite to be in and some joker starts following me, or walks up on me or whatever zimmerman did to start all of this ,then im probaly gonna have something to say to the guy to. martin had the rite to walk down the street without being harrased by some joker cop wanna be. so you put your spin on it however you want to try and make this loser a hero, he had no rite to confront this kid. and he sure as hell had no rite to shoot and kill this kid. and when zimmerman goes to prison for the crime HE commited all you losers backing him up will eat your words.

I agree entirely with SAM, and she should sue/collect for 7.5 million instead (no trial).--we need to teach these killers a lesson, and all the ownerships are responsible too, put them in jail as well and that home owner association must be dismantled at once.--we do not need private police authorisations to control the public---read the US Constitution.

And the ones here who tries to talk about black people should learn how to obey authority (by a gun),-- from a home grown gun slinger, second only to the real ones(police) who kill 2-3 people every day in US, need to get a new country.

Pretty sad situation:

A) A young man feeling restless going to buy some late night snacks, is angered and over reacts out of racially sensitive defensive behavior when followed by a neighborhood watch person, jumps him and breaks his nose and knocks his head against the concrete.

B) The neighborhood watch person is over his head, and should have relied on police to handle the situation, but persists on not letting this young man out of his sights, he is jumped and beaten, in a desperate move he shoots the young man out of fear.

C) Spike Lee "tweets" the Martin's address incorrectly but has not been charged with anything, and most likely settled out of court.

D) The (new) "Black Panthers" put out an illegal bounty on Zimmerman, but have not been charged with anything and everyone has forgotten about their illegal bounty

E) Now Trayvon's mother is seeking $75,000 from the HOA(Home Owners Association)

So, let's see here, GZ and his wife can seek, solicit, and obtain ALL the money they can, and it's perfectly OK with the people who hate Black Males. But GOD forbid if TM's mother seeks monetary compensation for the MURDER of her teenage child?!?! And so what if SHE has LEGAL FEES! The ignorance, and stupidity on this tread by racist bigots never ceases to amaze me! The hatred, and bigotry that is interwoven into the American social fabric will surly be OUR demise! And of course the bigots will blame the victims of American racism....

dsscotti, my aren't you angry. Bungaard, you too have some issues. Calm down.

Most insurance companies are held without fault when a crime is committed. Mom of Trayvon should have checked this out. If G Zimmerman is convicted of a crime against her son the insurance company walks. No claims will be settled until after the verdict.

G. Zimmerman was not an employee or representative of their company. No responsibility on HOA

HOA not liable for crimes committed on site. Can you even imagine an insurance company with deep enough pockets for that? Dang, imagine the cost to the Home Owners? Yeah, I'm chipping in for THAT.

Really curious about how many of the supporters of Trayvon's Mom read the news when Mom & Dad filed for copyright of his name, likeness and "certain phrases" before Trayvon was in the ground? These were sold on the Tshirts and memorabilia created for the Trayvon marches. Their take has not been made public.

So, looks like Mom & Dad are going back to work. As it should be.

Both were at fault, I don't know about you but if someone is following me late at night nothing good can come from confronting them. I think I'll let the jury figure this one out as I wasn't there and don't know the true facts.BTW youallhavethoughtfulcomments, a witness has already said TM was on top, nice fantasy though

Mackman. This is still America where we are innocent until proven guilty. If the parents let the system work they don't need attorneys. I'm pretty sure most parents don't copyright their dead sons name, likeness and certain phrases to print up Tshirts. I remember a lot of parents of missing children doing fund raising to pay the cost of finding their child. I've contributed to families of the victims of crimes against their children.

By the way, I don't hate anyone. Nope, don't waste your time callling names. Reason and logic must prevail. Stop the Insanity. IF Trayvon were the sweet angelic child his parents portray wold he want this? No.

8iron...(#6.27).., Jo-An-4354969...(#6.30)...And others:

These lawsuits are quite premature, for a trial that won't be held until mid-2013....

Whether "Stand his or her ground" is affirmed at the Immunity Hearing OR affirmed by a Jury's Not Guilty by reason of Self-Defence, Part of the Florida Self Defence Statues PROHIBITS CIVIL LAWSUITS;

"This new law expands upon Florida's preexisting castle doctrine and permits one to stand their ground anywhere. Florida Statutes 776.032(1) then holds in pertinent part:

A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force...

This language makes clear that the law provides a true immunity and not merely an affirmative defense. The Florida legislative session law notes demonstrate the true intent behind the new law stating; "The Legislature finds that it is proper for law-abiding people to protect themselves, their families, and others from intruders and attackers without fear of prosecution or civil action for acting in defense of themselves and others". Ch. 2005-27 at 200, Laws of Florida. SeePeterson v State, 983 So. 2d 27 (Fla. 1^st DCA 2008)"

http://www.hessingerlaw.com/Articles/Self-Defense-and-Floridas-Stand-Your-Ground-Law.aspx

"Wrongful Death" civil lawsuits (like in the OJ Simpson case in California) don't apply in Zimmerman's case.

If found Not Guilty, it will be Zimmerman that will have a Case against the State of Florida for a Wrongful Prosecution.....Along with that, he may also be free to pursue damages from the likes of NBC that aired edited Police Call tapes in an attempt to make him out to be a racist.

She SHOULD go after the money these morons collected through his phony website.... you know the one he "forgot" to mention to the judge at his bail hearing. clearly whether zimmy is guilty of premeditated murder under florida "law" or not, trayvon's death was "wrongful", since zimmy had no right to be doing what he was doing when the entire incident transpired. and if her lawyer is any good she would go after the wife the sister and the parents since they were all involved in the attempt to hide zimmys assets from the law. I wonder where all you folks who are quick to condemn the family's heads are at. you know damn right well you'd be looking for some cash and whining if you didnt get it. you dont know them, and you dont know zimmerman. the FACT is there is a 17 year old who is dead, but shouldnt be. so all you nancy grace wannabe armchair attorneys, prosecutors, judges etc., should just shut up and let thinkgs play out.

George Zimmerman was wrong to solicit the money the way he did, and Trayvon's mother is wrong to sue. Two wrongs trying to get money don't make a right. Why does Trayvon's mother even need a lawyer? I have no issue with a small amount of money to pay for his funeral, but it should stop at that. She shouldn't be making money off her son's death. Money won't bring him back. What happened was wrong, a tragedy, but suing everyone in sight now? No. It has already been said, that the money she is seeking is supposed to be used for victims families where there would be a loss of income. That is not the case here. As a parent my heart goes out to Trayvon's family, but suing is not the answer.

you all have thoughtful comments, has it occured to you other posters are just trying to save you the embarrassment of having your posts made public?

Here comes the real reason, Money. I Knew it would all come down to this.

8ironDid not see these comment when the Goldman's sued OJ

And the Goldman's waited till AFTER the murder trial, which is usually the normal process. And they sued OJ, not the community that their daughter lived in, who have no contoll over their residence who purchased homes there.

Good grief....the trail has hardly begun and the family is ALREADY wanting compensation from the Home-owner's Association. Heck, a life is only worth $ 75,000 ? Why not go for the gold and sue for $ 75,000,000 ?

Sybrina Fulton is also seeking money from a state fund set up to help crime victims and their families, it said.

Yeah, sure...."help crime victims and their families". Meanwhile, back in the world of reality.

Guess that shows where this family's intentions are focused.....and apparently it is NOT on the results of a trial.

Wonder if Rev. Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are going to have a media photo-op to support this lawsuit.

8iron

Did not see these comment when the Goldman's sued OJ

True dat, but that was in the mid 90's when computers cost and arm and a leg and not many people subscribed to an ip provider.

I have no horse in this race but my common sense asks this question, Doesn't a crime have to be proven to have occurred before an alleged "victim" can be compensated. As of right now, No crime has been established to have occurred. If the state loses it's argument and under Florida law Mr. Zimmerman is aquitted of all charges, then it stands to reason that no actual crime has occurred and no-one would be eligible for crime victims compensation. The family could sue Mr. Zimmerman for undue loss of life possibly but it seems that sueing at this early juncture is premature at best.

Had it happened the other way around it would have been page 10 news and we would have heard nothing more about it 2 days after it happened.

You are correct: Also, if it were "the other way around" (which is childish by the way) Mr. Martin would have been convicted of murder by now and sitting in prison.

Someone was killed and the case should be investigated properly. If someone killed your kid, wouldn't you want due process for them?? Unbelievable.

You raise a hoodlum and they die like a hoodlum, end of story.

You have seen them haven't you and are probably familiar with some of the people they are "friendly" with ... what do you expect from racist bottom feeders?

Yes, because her son is not dead, right? People act like nothing happened in this case. Why such blatant disregard for a human life? Zimmerman killed Martin. The only thing that is up for contention is was Zimmerman justified in his killing? Personally, I think the evidence has condemned him. The Jury gets to make the ultimate decision.

If I were being attacked as Zimmerman was I would only hope I could pull my gun and shoot before I passed out from having my head smashed against the concrete as was Zimmerman ... I'll take being judged by 12 over carried by six any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

I do believe you are incorrect about that. Criminal liability and civil liability are two separate issues, and ther is plenty of evidence that George failed to abide by Neighborhood Watch regulations. Makes the gated community responsible, and hence, the insurance company that covers them for that liability responsible.

There is no evidence that shows that Martin attacked Zimmerman. there is evidence of a scuffle, but not of who actually started it. None of the cuts, bumps or anything else display who made initial contact. You are making that part up because Zimmerman said so. Sorry, I give the word of the killer less credit than the physical evidence which is contradictory to the killers story.

DOCJT - you contradict yourself. If Zimmerman did not follow the protocols of the neighborhood watch program then how can the HOA or its insurance company be liable? They didn't instruct him to carry a gun or to chase anyone. They instructed their volunteers to do just the opposite. If he took action on his own not sanctioned by the HOA how can they be responsible? They don't control the volunteers. Trayvon's parents see the writing on the wall and are trying to grab what they can now before Zimmerman get acquitted and they get nothing out of him. Good thing you're not LAWYERJT.

Because the neighborhood watch was the province of the HOA. Really very simple. No contradiction at all.

@ DOCJT

"Neighborhood Watch regulations"

sorry, getalife-2997615 beat me to the comment. I agree.

Their son has died - how much money will make that right?

I didn't know it took money for people to feel better that their child has died.

If it's all about making someone pay and exacting justice, no problem, get the money and donate it to the nearest charity that helps wayward kids....but we all know that ain't never gonna happen.

I guess you are forgetting about travel expenses and stays in a different city in order to be available for all of the trial dates and hearing dates, the cost of shipping the body back home, funeral expenses, plot marker, hospital and ambulance transportation of the body the night of the incident, etc, huh?

The costs to the victim's family are often far greater than the cost of legal expenses for the defendent in a murder trial.

You probably should figure all this out before you judge Trayvon's mother as greedy. It would certainly make you appear to have more empathy as a parent.

She already received some money from the state's Crimes Compensation Trust Fund for emergency crime-victim assistance. What a precedence they have set here. Considered her a victum without due procress...

DOCJT

So, Panther Hunter, you admit to being the same kind of coward and the little man with a hero complex that George Zimmerman is. Thought so, but nice that you confirmed it.

Funny ain't it...when a black thug gets into a confrontation - the first thing they do is pull out a gun and start shooting; be it at a nightclub, a party, a picnic, a wedding, a funeral, a drive in at a McDonald's, etc. etc. etc.

...why don't you go preach to them and make fun of how cowardly they are, instead of picking on law-abiding citizens who believe in the right to defend themselves?

what's that?....too busy?...oh, I see....

LOL

Well lets see. The Martin's son Trayvon tries to kill an innocent person in a brutal attack and now the Martins want to be compensated? Whatever happened to owning up to the fact that your child is a thug?

you all have thoughtful comments: LOL now tell me something Einstein, are Neighborhood Watch Rules LAWS?

The answer is NO...

So you can keep spewing he did not follow the Neighborhood Watch Rules does it matter in a Court of LAW=**** NO. Why they are not laws. The only thing that will matter in a Court of LAW is did ZIM violate the LAW or was he with in his Rights under the law to Defend himself by shooting Martin.

Thats all that matters in a Court of LAW Einstein.......

That is also why the HOA is not responsible at this time, unless ZIM is found Guilty in a court of law.

And how much have idiots "contributed" to the killer to pay his bills with? You know the money that the murderer and his fat, pig wife were lying about. You know, the reason they got perjury charges brought against them. Maybe the murderer intended to use some of that money along with the "forgotten" second passport he still had in his possession at the time for a little "vacation" where extradition is an afterthought. The murderer started asking for money immediately after he killed a teenager. Angela Corey will put his a$$ right where it belongs. That woman hates to lose a case! Then the murderer's family will beg for more money to bury him. Cause that's all they know how to do, ask for other people's money to support them. The murderer better get his fill of the junk food he likes to chow down on now. When he gets convicted and goes to Starke, I'm giving him about 10 days to 2 weeks to get his affairs in order......if that long!

no those are not laws you are correct about that but, he was told by law inforcement DO NOT FOLLOW! why is that so hard for people to understand. if you saw someone suspicious in you neighbourhood and you called 911 and the police officer on the other end told you in plain english" we have units on the way do not follow let the police handle it" wouldnt you do what that 911 operater told you to do? and if zimmerman reported someone suspicious in his community that he has never seen before wouldnt it be safer for everyone including zimmerman to let the police handle the situation? what if the bullet zimmerman fired had missed trayvon and went thru someones window, struck and killed an innocent child? thats why you let the police handle these things . being a neighbourhood watch captain is not enough training to patrol the streets with a loaded weapon and confront a suspicious person. luckily for zimmerman he was following an innocent kid that was on his way back to his dads girlfriends home IN THE GATED COMMUNITY! because if it turned out to be a real gangster that was packing a gun and looking for places to rob, we would be talking about zimmermans murder. i think he saw travon and knew he was just a kid, he also knew he had that gun if anything went wrong, so he knew the possible outcome of confrontin trayvon against the advice of the well trained police dispatch that again told him in plain english DO NOT FOLLOW!!! so he knew the possible outcome of his actions then he should have known there would be consiquences of his actions... i say guilty as charged and im betting he will be found guilty and he will go to prison. and once in prison he will meet some nice black gentleman who will make him wish he would have listened to the police dispatch when he called 911 and not wouldnt have followed trayvon. not that it should matter but im white so let the ignorant comments begin just dont try the race thing because again im white and it wont work on me

I believe that George noted, from the beginning, he was not acting in the capacity of Neighborhood Watch when he noticed Trevon. He was on his way to the store. So, if this is true, and please site facts to counter this if you have them, he was acting as an 'ordinary citizen' when making the call to police. Are you implying that by virtue of being a member of the Neighborhood Watch he has given up his second amendment rights?

As another point, name-calling of either commenters or of the people involved ("Zimmie" - Really?) does nothing to reinforce your opinion.

dscotti15-3513026 The fact that you are white is irrelevant. Idiots come in all colors and sizes and there was no reason for you to provide us your skin color as justification to make stupid comments.

This is the USA and since you obviously do not know Zimmerman in innocent until proven guilty. This is his constitutional right that YOU are trying to take away fom him. WHO ARE YOU TO THINK YOU CAN TRY AND CONVICT SOMEONE ON HERESAY WHICH IS ALL WE HAVE RIGHT NOW;WE DO NOT HAVE ALL THE FACTS SO SHUT THE @!$%# UP.

What makes YOU judge and jury to think that this man deserves to be punished by some "nice black gentleman" in jail? All I can say is that I hope that you never have to defend your actions WHILE BEING crucified by the media and idiot public who does not have all the facts in the case and have already convicted the man. BTW, you do know that the media distorted those 911 tapes when they played them; it would be smarter to stop trying to do the job of the jury as you are not on the jury and to try and figure out what the hell else the media has distorted and fed to the American public.

i never once refered to him as zimmie. so what your saying is that zimmerman was just minding his own buiseness and going to the store and he wasnt on duty as watch captain? well guess what martin also was coming from the store and minding his own buiseness , what im saying is that martin had the rite to walk down the street without being shot and killed .no matter if zimmerman was on duty or not. lets just say that zimmerman didnt see martin and martin was allowed to go about his life what would the outcome have been? NOTHING!! he was just a kid walking from one place to another at 7pm. you can try to justify zimmermans actions all you want but guess what? your wrong!! point blank, end of story your wrong. this is a free country and kids should not have to worry about being shot and killed when they are not breaking any laws. and zimmerman must have confronted martin in some way. remember zimmerman called 911 so he already assumes martins up to no good. but again he should have left it at that. ive called 911 before to report suspicious people i never once thought it was my place to confront a kid simply for walking down the street. was martin breaking into a house? no. was martin breaking into a car? no was martin breaking any kind of law at all that justified zimmerman shooting and killing him? no and dont give me the bs about him trying to kill zimmerman. what about martins rites to stand his ground? if im walking down the street and am cinfronted by a guy i dont know and he even gets in my personal space then guess what? im throwing a hay maker!! so spin it however you want. zimmerman shot and killed an unarmed kid. theres no way you can justify that. if he would have called 911 and reported suspicious activity and let the cops handle it martin would still be alive. he is dead because zimmerman done exactly what he preaches against and that is do not follow do not confront . wasted enough time on you piss ant. see ya....

@tinab no you shut the @#$% up im intitled to my opinion and if you dont like it , dont read it!! who do you think you are to tell someone to shut up!! yea its all a big conspiracy haha you are so stupid! the media has distorted the 911 call? to gain what? zimmerman is GUILTY! and he will be in prison! remember where you heard that ok. and the reason i said i was white was because some of you idiots want to make this about colour. and like i said my white son dresses and looks just like martin. does that mean zimmerman would have called 911 and reported him and then (ignoring what the 911 operator told him) have shot and killed him? i dont have to be the judge and jury to know that its not against the law for this kid to walk down the street in an area he had every right to be in ! but it is against the law to shoot and kill an unarmed kid just because you feel he dont belong . so get on your broom and ride out your opinion is a steaming pile of @#$%$ and so are you

getalife-2997615, # 7.6- You bring up an EXCELLENT point, and actually it's the CRUX of this whole situation at hand, that arises out of this article. Your point is "A Question". And [that] is one of the questions that obviously will be presented to the The Court, to be answered. Does this Woman have the RIGHT to bring this question to The Court to be answered? Equal Justice (for all) Under the LAW. RIGHTS are a "matter of LAW". Perhaps the existence of these Neighborhood Watch Groups (and any policies that are "theirs") are a Violation of 4th Amendment protection against "ILLEGAL Search and Seizure" of the highest order? (oxymoron) You never get the answer if you don't ask or are prohibited from asking the question. My, how convenient is that?

I second your very astute observation that it is a "GOOD THING" that so and so IS NOT a Lawyer.

@sandie

your exactly rite sandie. and everyone knows the only reason to lie is to hide something . so if this murderer will lie about the money then wouldnt be nothing for him to lie about trayvon attacking him. how do we know what to believe? i say we look at the facts. martin wasnt breaking any laws, the 911 operator told zimmerman not to follow martin which he ignored. so lets see, he ignores the police, lies about money, shoots an kills an unarmed teenager, lies about the fact that he has a second passport. yeah hes a real hero huh? unfortunetly sandie there are alot of ignorant people that just dont see the facts as clearly as you and i. but when this lying ,murdering, scum bag piece of garbage is found guilty and goes to prison, they can all put their money together to buy him shampoo and soap and candy bars to get him thru all those long lonely days behind bars. you will rot in prison murderer.

Only going to say once more. This is the United States and we are innocent until proven guilty.

The Insurance company won't pay a dime

It doesn't matter what color you are, how angry you get or what names you call people. These are facts.

I know why don't all you angry people go out and take all that energy to do something good? Volunteer for something. Get out of yourself and be productive. Thats what I'm going to do. Peace out.

Mo-563393, #7.26- EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!! That is what I was just thinking. How about "Government Watch Groups" in EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD?!?!?? Concentrating, with a uniform weekly report, on what your local Representative IS/IS NOT doing? Your City Hall Government, State Government, Congresspeople, Senators..........etc

How many young people and adults have been assault and/or murdered in the name of Trayvon Martin??? Since his name is trademarked/patented or whatever the correct term is should the entity that owns this be responsible for all crimes committed against others in Trayvons name??? Wonder how mom would like to have those types of lawsuits file against her??????? Why aren't we talking about violence in general???? How many sick, twisted violent crimes have been committed this year???? What about the young WHITE boy burned alive???? Does anybody even remember any of the other vicious, horrible murders that were committed with ABSOLUTE venom, violence, hate and INTENT???? GZ did NOT seek TRayvon out to murder him but a lot of others are out there PURPOSELY taking lives!!!!! THAT SHOULD BE WHAT THE MEDIA/SHARPTON/THE PANTHERS ETC.. SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON. NOT LINING THERE POCKETS. GZ IS GETTING DONATIONS BECAUSE MANY FEEL HE'S BEING WRONGLY PROSECUTED AND HE DOESN'T HAVE THE FAME AND THE $$$$$ THE MONEY OF OJ SIMPSON AND SOME OF THE OTHER RICH AND FAMOUS THAT DO GET AWAY WITH MURDER!!!!!

Mo-563393, (cont) Oh, yeah.....and with AMPLE OPPORTUNITY and REAL OUTLETS to take REAL counter-actions in.

They aren't seeking damages from Zimmerman at this point. The are seeking damages from the insurance company who covers the liability of the home owner's association. George shot Trayvon. It was clearly stated that Neighborhood Watch volunteers were not to be armed, nor were they to confront or pursue. George, we know for a fact, was armed, or Trayvon would not be dead. Evidence also supports the fact that he pursued him. Therefore, the homeowner's association is responsible for the actions of Zimmerman, e.g. shooting and killing an unarmed teen.

Yep, thoughtful...I believe I stated more than once that Trayvon was attempting to get away and George shot him to prevent him from escaping.

DOCJT-- I believe you can state anything as many times as you want and it doesn't make any of your conjectures true does it?
If Zimmerman was on his way to the store-on personal business- and not on patrol that night--how does that make the association responsible for his activities?

The evidence supports it Grishnak. It's all public record.

of course theyre seeking money...I mean what else would you do when youre child has been "murdered". Youve lost a part of yourself and the only thing that can bring him back is some well deserved money..... The government might as well go ahead and get their portion of reparations ready too or theyll be suing for that next. Black people and money go hand in hand. As a group you are all so selfish and greedy. It makes me sick. There are stereotypes for a reason....remember that people.

DOCJT

Yep, thoughtful...I believe I stated more than once that Trayvon was attempting to get away and George shot him to prevent him from escaping.

very nice....and when is your next work of fiction coming out?

Amanda,

"black people and money go hand and hand". Yeah, because white people don't care about money and they never, ever sue for wrongful death or damages.

"as a group you are all so selfish and greedy" You are certifiably crazy if you think white people are not selfish and greedy. Just look at government if you need some examples.

Your blatant hatred is disgusting as are you.

yep!! IT'S THAT LITTLE OLD THING CALLED AMANDA'S 1ST AMENEDMENT RIGHT TO EXPRESS HER OPINION.

SOXFAN-YOU NEED TO GET OVER YOURSELF BIG TIME!!! Who are you to judge anybody???? Amanda, along with many, many others around this country happen to have opinions that differ from yours and YOU are the one exhibiting BLATANT HATRED and are being disgusting for NOT recognizing that!!!!

To all the IDIOTS who HATE Trayvon because he's Black.....didn't he have the RIGHT to be PRESUMED innocent, until proven guilty?!?! Oh. I forgot, he's Black, He's GUILTY until proven INNOCENT in America!!

Amanda and Skrewd, how ironic - all I am doing is exercising my first amendment right and expressing my opinion about Amanda and her ignorance. I don't hate Amanda, I feel sorry for her and I judge her no less than she judges an entire race of people.

You are allowed to hate all you want, and I am allowed to disagree with your hate. That is what is so great about this country.

But Amanda sweetie, you may want to try a little bit of class. This is a public forum. Pussy? Really, who uses that term anymore?

hey mackman, please change your s/n to hateful, racist blackman.... Also, very dumb comments btw!

SoxFan-2254358

But Amanda sweetie, you may want to try a little bit of class. This is a public forum. Pussy? Really, who uses that term anymore?

Remember you, SoxFan-2254358, ASKED.

Those who are in the Martin camp have made a POINT of calling George Zimmerman a pussy since early on in this circus.

LOL @ Trust, I'll take your word for it. It is a shame when people can't disagree without cursing or personal insults but we all do it, myself included. And I agree, this is a circus.

mackman-912848, # 8.14- What an EXCELLENT-EXCELLENT!!!!!!! post.

I believe one of the "CORNERSTONES" of Due Process of the LAW is the presumption of innocence. (I don't know, I'm not a Lawyer.)

SOXFAN-try adn backpeddle and make yourself look good all you want but dude, you were the one name calling and disrespecting people for NOT catering to your opinion. GET OVER YOURSELF!!!

and i dont have "hate"....i look at stereotypes. and if the martins were white and asking for money id still have sometihng not nice to say about it. so stop assuming. and as far as me stating that "they as a group" well theres plenty of "groups" like that. i see it more often then not in black people. you made assumptions from a 3 sentence opinion. And who uses the word pussy....well porn stars do bitch! you have something to say about me saying PUSSY but nothing to say about the fact that youre mister tough guy behind a computer....lol. and so many people play the "im not racist at all" card....yea you are because you blatantly go out of your way to point out someone elses hatred. "Youre so wrong for disliking something a particular group of people are known to do.....burn her at the stake!" whatever man. it sounds like you have alot more hate in your heart than i do brother.

I'm a racist for pointing out someone elses hatred? Amanda, do you even listen to yourself? And I'm not a tough guy behind a computer any more than you are.

I quoted exactly what you said and stated that I thought it, and you, were disgusting. Trust me, nothing you have said since has changed my mind. But I don't even know why you care. I don't care what you think. Do you really think Mrs. Martin cares that you think she is just after the money? Your opinion isn't any more relevant than any other opinion here.

lol....well than since pointing that out.....why do you find yourself continuing to argue with me? And I dont care what youre opinion is of me....youre another faceless a$$ho^^ behind a computer. I can only imagine that youre a fat man behind a computer, eating cheetos, jerking off to kiddie porn in your moms basement. Now thats disgusting. Have a good day sir.

Back to the article: You dont see white people going all over the united states crying and boo hooing at different social events with media coverage about their "murdered" kids, getting Al Sharpton involved,getting the PRESTIGIOUS jesse Jackson involved (because he's just so helpful) or taking off work for an extended amount of time to publicize their kids death.

whoa! @!$%#.....give me statistics on that!! ohhhhh and I didnt say you were a racist you unintelligent reject....I pointed out the fact that youll cut me down while youre doing the same thing..... tisk tisk tisk. And hey, by the way, dont call me sweetie, reserve that for your wife. Im sure your wife wouldnt like you calling another woman her pet name.

Easy there Amanda!!!! Soxfan just isn't worth getting worked up over!!! Sox wants to pick a fight and get people going, so don't waste any more time arguing with old smelly soxfans.

lol...well said.

I'm beginning to think Skrewd and Amanda are the same person.

I am not going to continue to argue with you as it grows increasingly boring. I did just want to correct you on one thing, I am not a man and have never said anything to indicate that I was.

Which is just more evidence that the assumptions you insist on making about people continues to be wrong.

Well, that is just what ya get for thinkin' Soxy!!! Cause you would be WRONG!!!!! LMAO@u!!!!

lol....just give it a break soxfan. you dont like my opinion...so what? I dont care. I really dont but it completely intrigues me that someone of such "disgustingness" would take up so much of your time... My disgustingness has some control over you. the fact that you continue to argue with someone who is absolutely disgusting to you....lol. you dont have a reason to argue with me actually, you already made the point that you do not agree with me so why do you continue to say anything to me or about me? I'd bet youre older than me, so why bring yourself down to such a level? I mean since my opinions are so degenerate in nature. Everyone has an opinion based on their life's experiences. I'm glad that you seem to have such a positive outlook on other races and human kind in general. Kudos! But ma'am, I'm not an optimist, I am a realist therefore I call it as I see it. It would be a great pleasure that if you had anything else to say in regard to the matter that you email me. If not, well then I think this conversation with you is over. Have a good day!

Assuming all that is true, which I don't believe, then the HOA has no culpability. Does anyone honestly believe that the HOA instructed its Neighborhood Watch people to carry guns, confront people and shoot them? Of course not. Abd if any of you believe taht the HOA had a duty to perfrom backgroudn checks on its volunteers then you have no idea what a neighborhood watch program is or how its's run. So then why sue the HOA? Because there is an insurance company they can extort money from, that's why.

They instructed their neighborhood watch people NOT to carry guns. When George claimed to be functioning as part of that neighborhood watch, and he went armed, and subsequently killed a kid, the homeowner's association is responsible for the fact that he acted under their authority with a gun.

It's always about who has the deepest pockets. Always.

No, it isn't, Kimbro. As a parent, you should understand that no amount of money will compensate for the loss of a child. However, pragmatic concerns take money. Would you simply not attend the trial of your child's murderer, or would you do what ever you had to in order to make that possible? Would you just not bury your child, and let him sit in a cooler until you could save the 8 grand or so it takes to bury him? Or would you do what ever you had to in order to give your child a proper burial?

Let's also remember that during the OJ Simpson trial, the family of Ron Goldman sued OJ for the death of their son and won. This is similar though done before the actual verdict, if you will. It is showing liability and accountability and will set in place a position for the family to sue Zimmerman at a later time. Is that wrong? No, in fact precedence has been set already. Is this a race thing? No, it is a family matter. Is it news? Well, it has been reported and we seem to be following it and in that regard it is news worthy.

Having lost a child to a medical illness, I can assure you that no child life can ever be replaced by money, another child or anything else. The loss is tremendous no matter how many children you have. Please don't insult the family by insinuating their loss will be replaced by any amount of money. The money they are suing for is likely to ensure nothing like this ever happens again. And, it shouldn't! Zimmerman was told by the authorities to stand down and he chose to disobey. Someone must take responsibility for that. If he was hired by the HOA, if he was authorized verbally by the HOA, then the HOA is that ultimate authority and should be held responsibile and accountable. Yes, a jury will find Zimmerman guilty or innocent in a court of law. In this civil matter, the financial matter will be determined at a different time and at a different level.

When a wrongful death suit is filed is it always a out the money? Sometimes it's about making a point. It seems to me, this time it is about setting down rule for the next Zimmerman who chooses not to obey the rules, chooses not to listen to the Police and chooses to shoot an unarmed person.

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George Zimmerman should never have been a watch captain. He was an overzealous, wanna be cop with a gun. In 2005 George did not have his quick temper under control. Perhaps, he had it under control during the ensuing years up to the night of February 26, 2012.

However, he lost control of his temper the night he killed Trayvon. In his 911 call, you can hear his anger and temper beginning to boil---"These a$$h@les, they always get away" and "fu@king goon". Unfortunately, George was in possession of a gun as his temper began to flare up.

He had NOT followed the watch guidelines --He did MORE than simply "watch" and "report" . He followed Trayvon with aGUN and a BOILING TEMPER.

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However, he lost control of his temper the night he killed Trayvon. In his 911 call, you can hear his anger and temper beginning to boil---"These a$$h@les, they always get away" and "fu@king goon". Unfortunately, George was in possession of a gun as his temper began to flare up.

He had NOT followed the watch guidelines --He did MORE than simply "watch" and "report" . He followed Trayvon with aGUN and a BOILING TEMPER.

haha at BOILING temper. you, nor anyone have any idea how angry or whether zimmerman was angry at all. he certainly didn't sound angy the last 2 minutes where he CALMLY gave the officer information. he didn't even sound angry when he said those words you mentioned... boiling... haha

Who was it that put up a website IMMEDIATELY after murdering a 17 year-old teenager asking for money? Oh yeah........the murderer. Then he PERJURED himself with regard to said money. Lied right to the judge's face. HAHAHAHA. I think that lying to the judge about begged for money and lying about killing a teenager is all the same to the murderer. Whatever credibility he ever thought he had is out the window. Go get him Angela Corey! Think I'll write her a letter, you know a tough prosecutor can never get too much encouragement. Just saw her last week in that brand new courthouse here in Jax, in the cafeteria on the second floor. I think she'll handle the sicko murderer just fine. He won't even know what hit him!

@Jay, did you say the same thing while GZ collecting his millions?!?!

While you people are so incensed with this killing 9000 blacks are killed annually ,where's the outrage over that? You've bought into the race thing which is quite evident, where race had nothing to do with it. How quick they were willing to say a white on black crime, then when they realized he was half Hispanic he was now a white Hispanic a term I had never heard till then. Does this make Obama a white black. This was a tragedy that could have been prevented by either side

wlee-950886

While you people are so incensed with this killing 9000 blacks are killed annually

I get you point but please be a bit more ACCURATE on body count... somewhere between 6000 and 7000 Blacks are killed by Blacks on an annual basis. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

trust and verify, I got that info from googling it, the Blaze quoting Bureau of Justice Statistics

Gee, maybe it's yo mama at "Cracker" Barrel. I hear she like the saltines.

Sandie, if you are referring to me my mother died in 2002 from bone cancer. You sound like a very bitter person, I hope one day you'll find peace in yourself

wlee-950886

trust and verify, I got that info from googling it, the Blaze quoting Bureau of Justice Statistics

HMMMM I think Blaze did a little um stretching? There are between 12k and 14k total murders in a given year recently 45% by Whites to 52% by Blacks. Even at the 14k end of things that is still only a little over 7k by blacks and whites are BARELY behind that count.

Sandie-644591

Gee, maybe it's yo mama at "Cracker" Barrel. I hear she like the saltines.

Why is it that Blacks like you see it perfectly fine to use a racist term of "cracker" yet are offended by the "n" word unless it is uttered by Blacks? Then you sneak around calling others racist or using racial data or racial terms. The only thing worse is the "moderators" here don't enforce the honor code evenly.. that whole equal but "special" treatment.

@wlee, the very least you can do is keep up with the thread SINCE you persist in commenting! My immediate preceeding post WAS NOT directed at you but rather toward Jay Whitaker's post #9. The person who's post includes a "yo mama" reference. Dang, keep up, will ya? Sounds like you may have some unresolved feelings with regard to your mother's death, that isn't my problem, deal with it. So your mother died from bone cancer.....mine died from lung cancer. What has that got to do with anything related to the article at hand? In case you cannot figure it out, that would be......NOTHING!

@trust_verify......not even worth the time. Go use your sorry repartee and rhetoric on someone who might appreciate it. Like a 6 year old. Sad, just.....sad. If you are an adult, I pity you.

Additionally, I do not sneak about anything. I own my s*it! And say it like the grown a$$ woman I am. You, on the other hand, clearly do not seem to be aware of your own prejudice(s). That is hardly a surprise. trust_verify my a$$!

Sandie-644591

And say it like the grown a$$ woman I am.

Fixed that for you.

LOL...

Sandie-644591,

So true!

You paid for a funeral lately? They are pretty danged expensive.

I'm pretty sure she would much rather have her son back, but George made that impossible.

Not me, I expected it.

Funeral expenses--no problem--let the victims fund PAY THOSE DIRECTLY to the undertaker and not to the family.

Money to help them support themselves while they still don't work for a family death that occurred in February and this is August? BS - BS and BS. How many parents who have lost a child BOTH quit working for more than 7 months post?

Doesn't happen, unless you have the NAACP, Jesse, Al, victims fund, website and everyone else to sue to keep you going while you continue to sit on your ass.

Kinbo, U mad bro? Because they are getting donations? None of the people you have listed are involved, Kimbo, but way to try to drag race into it.

The funeral home is not the victim. The family members are. The state's obligation under the victim's compensation fund is to pay the victim. It is the victim's obligation to pay the funeral home. You do understand how contracts work, don't you, Kimbro?

DOCJT........first place I could find to reply. Keep up the good fight my friend. I agree with EVERYTHING you have posted.

I find it an interesting commentary that ALL the money grubbers condemning Trayvon's mother would be first in line with their hands out.

Blue Wasabi, I guess my only problem was when she trade marked his name, that would be the last thing on my mind if my kid was killed

Thoughtfu comments--Do you not understand that everybody gets you are ANGRY that some of your comments were collapsed by the community??? GET OVER YOURSELF already, OK??

What parent who's child is killed is out trying to trademark their name before they're even buried and mourned??? As stated by another poster, this occurred in Feb. and it's now August. Both these parents are out for all the $$$BUCKS$$$ they can get and they WANT to do it on the backs of the HOA, the victims fund, the media, public pity and LAWSUITS!!! Time to go back to work and stop milking this for all it's worht!!! BTW jsut how much money has she raked in off her sons name??? MSN where is the story about that???? Where is the follow up on the young man BURNED alive, the elderly man beaten in the name of Trayvon, all the other victims of black on white hate crimes this year alone???? I have pity for this family because they lost a child but that doesn't extend to agreeing they have a right to sue anyone. Dad could have prevented this all if he'd stayed home with his troubled son rather than hitting the town with his girlfriend. Come on now, what time did dad roll in that night??? Long after the police, ambulances etc.. were gone!!! Then he has no idea where his son is or obviously even care wehre he was. Who doesn't ground a child who has been suspended from school 3 times in one year, is potentially a theif and drug user, and is out of his mothers parental control???? Mom and dad have some liability of their own in this case!!!!! And what's up with the girlfriend that alledgedly hears her boyfriend is in serious trouble, loses the connection then doesn't hear back from her boyfriend??? She doesn't call the police, Trayvons parents or anybody that might be able to contact the parents to let them know whats going on!!! Just doesn't sit right.

@wlee, let me try to solve yet another of your problems......you said it, I'm just repeating it. The Martins trademarked THEIR son's name, you know, the one THEY GAVE him at birth so that others, strangers would not do it and trade off their murdered son's name. With this case being so big, that surely would have happened. The Martins did the correct thing in that regard and may have even been advised by an attorney to do so.

@Kimbo, your post #7.10 is truly funny. Have you ever heard of discernment? May I suggest you find out what it is and then go about acquiring some? You responded to someone who stated that "Their son has died - how much money will make that right?" What that person meant was there is NO amount, zip, zero, nothing......that would make what happened to Trayvon right for his family and friends. Your response was so far out in left field that it actually was funny. DISCERNMENT. Please. Oh, and the rest of your comments are also funny.

Profit? You paid for the cost of a funeral lately?

Funny... It's pretty easy to turn the story around, and say that Zimmerman is shifting blame, and not taking responsibility for his own actions.

Especially with that little "It was God's plan" statement made during the Hannity interview.

I believe he accepted responsibility when he said I SHOT HIM.

Self-defense is valid.

But he has admitted he shot him, so he has accepted responsibility for that.

Now TM's parents need to take their blinders and rose-colored glasses off and accept responsibility for their son and see him for who he truly was also.

DOCJT - I watched the Hannity interview and you, like others that wanted to spin it your way completely took the "God's Plan" comment out of context. I heard the question from Sean and the answer from GZ. And he said nothing about it being God's Plan that he shot TM.

You can twist and spin it all you want--doesn't make it the truth.

It wasn't taken out of context at all. Zimmerman clearly stated that he would not have done anything differently as it was all "God's plan".

DOCJT

Profit? You paid for the cost of a funeral lately?

About $10,000. She already received $29,000 from the victims fund. That would more than cover everything unless she went with the gold plated edition.

Yes, because Zimma needs YOUR $200K so he can keep buying cell phones and other toys. I cannot believe the defense of that low life/borderline psycho.

Bet you folks defended Joran Vander Sloot too.