cause he's a low-life coward....I mean u kill innocent peeps like that who have no way to even defend themselves against you.....WTF is wrong with these scumbags!!!

Why didn't he commit suicide and not kill others? Because he wasn't playing with a full deck. He was one brick short of a full load. The lights were on but nobody was home. He had S hit for brains.

And he was legally able to purcahse a hand gun. And, he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory. He wanted to live fast and die young. And, he had a hand gun.

Perhaps there needs to be a label on hand guns sold in the US? 'The attorney general recommends that you kill yourself before you kill others, with your hand gun."

Hm? Can we agree on that?

1. I'm glad I never met him.

2. I'm glad he is gone.

3 I wish this was the last idiot that ruined lives of decent, innocent people. Maybe someday, the senselessness will end.

Yep, death had the list in the wrong order.

Give this guy some credit for actually achieving in the end what the main mission is of racial White Supermists. The White race is another step closer of purification with this POS blowing his brains out. He was too stupid to do it first not knowing what garbage his whole group represents.

Why didn't he just START with shooting himself?

Because he wanted his 15 days of fame that the media gives to all mass killers.

The Sikhs are a truly peaceful religion who don't seek to force their views on anyone. They believe all human beings have equal worth and treat women as equals. The climate created by those that vilify all religions as the same and equate all with the most intolerant and violent faiths contributed to this horrendous attack on this exemplary religions group who were merely practicing their faith when the monster struck.

Yes! To all white supremacist or Muslim suicide mission douche bags out there: skip the middle man and go straight to suicide.

So is this guy a suicide shooter (as in suicide bomber)?

gary-309869, you are absolutely wrong. The majority of people who practice this religion do NOT treat women as equals. While the religion itself is largely peaceful and so are the practitioners, the statement that they treat everyone equal is very, very wrong. It is a cultural thing, which has nothing to do with religion.

Davey - He was in the military, he could have gotten any gun he wanted, vets are allowed to go out and purchase any weapon on the market, even fully automatic weapons, this guy instead used a general issue 9mm. This has nothing to do with gun laws, it has to do with vets having guns, but youre one of those people that wouldn't even want the military to have guns.

Glad he killed himself after what he did. The officer should have taken a head shot at him instead of in the stomach, but glad he is dead regardless of how and who......

Just because a person is prior military does NOT mean that person can buy ANY weapon on the market. You need to get real facts before you type. Very few people can have fully automatic weapon and if you do, there is a lot of paperwork. And as for the rest of you statement, I'm not sure where you are going with it.

Davey - He was in the military, he could have gotten any gun he wanted, vets are allowed to go out and purchase any weapon on the market, even fully automatic weapons, this guy instead used a general issue 9mm. This has nothing to do with gun laws, it has to do with vets having guns, but youre one of those people that wouldn't even want the military to have guns.

Really? A vet can buy a machine gun under different procedure than if I wanted to buy a machine gun? Can you send me a link to more information about this?

Don't let the vet thing distract you. It is not terribly important in this situation. The point is that this fellow used a hand gun to kill many. Hand guns are the #1 murder weapon in the US, year after year, far ahead of the second most commonly used murder weapon.

That's all!

Rams - sorry... i'll specify for you, I can not go out and buy an already fully automatic rifle, sure i can watch a 15min video on you tube on how to make my AK full auto, but im not going to. However, as to your post, it is a lot easier for vets to obtain their class 3 license as they are no longer on base. and as to the rest of my post, it was a response to davey, it had nothing to do with you.

agent 47...veterans just like ordinary citizens are NOT allowed to just ''go out and purchase fully auto weapons or any weapon on the market" where did you get your facts from a comic book? ever hear of the nfa act of 1934? think about what you are going to write before you write it.

hey Demar you might want to actually look stuff up before you debate. It is in the sikh religion to treat women as equals to men. And it is more of a muslim thing to treat women badly. Just because they are brown and from asia doesn't mean they treat women badly....

Davey - and no i wouldn't say different procedure, it is just easier for ex military to get their class 3. Their paperwork is sorted through over civilians, i would need to wait one year for paperwork for a class 3 while ex military wait at least half that. And no i guess it isn't that important that he was a vet then, and no it isn't HAND GUNS that are the number one murder weapon, its fire arms, so i guess that means the old hunting rifle better get hung up.

Page was dishonorably discharged. He did not qualify for any kind of veterans benefits.

well thats a different story then, thank you for clearing things up RTSOB.

frankie @ # 1.18======= Very true! It is Delmar that contributes to the misconception that all religions are the same and all bad.

Sikh scripture itself sets out that women are to be treated as the equal of men. In Sikhism women are allowed to lead religious congregations. The Sikh respect is such for women that monogamy is practiced by the faith.

It is this indiscriminate and hateful denunciation of religions as all the same and all as bad that has created this climate where truly nonviolent and tolerant religions are attacked by monsters.

Wait. Every article I read, the cops were patting each other on the back that they had killed this guy. They didn't. He did it alone. I agree with everyone else, he should have done himself first.

As a Federal Firearms License holder I would like to point out that every single word Agent 47 wrote is false concerning vets and any type of weapons purchase.

RugerSR9c

Thank you. I was getting ready to post the same, but you put it very succinctly.

Have a great day sir. And be careful out there.

And no i guess it isn't that important that he was a vet then, and no it isn't HAND GUNS that are the number one murder weapon, its fire arms, so i guess that means the old hunting rifle better get hung up.

The FBI stats call this out very clearly. Hand guns are used much more frequently than long guns as murder weapons.

May this offense against humanity get everything the devil and his angels get at the end of this world...

This POS was less than honorably discharged from the service. Calling him a vet is not right. He died trapped like a rat, cowering, trembling just like his POS hero Hitler. Honorable service is required to earn the honor of being called a veteran.

Why didn't he kill himself first?

I don't believe it was ever his intention to kill himself. However, after being shot in the gut he probably realized that it was his only way out.

American Socialist

Actually NAZIS are socialists. Aren't you proud of your bretheren?

For those of you who believe that Sikhs are peaceful, loving people, I sincerely suggest you read a good history of the British Empire on the Asian Continent and see how regiments of Sikh WARRIORS the British employed in pacification operations. It will be an eyeopener for you.

Hey...it doesn't matter what he bought or how he got it...he used it to murder...and altho I think the NRA is just a waste of a lot of peoples' money, IT didn't cause this killer to do what he did, either.

Yes, I agree that there are mentally ill people out there that should never be able to have a gun.

Perhaps if mental illness was taken seriously and people got help BEFORE something happened then a lot less would happen. Perhaps if more people didn't make the mentally ill feel as if they SHOULD be ashamed to be ill and need help, a lot less like this would happen. And perhaps if those that saw someone needed help but told themselves, "it's nothing," or, "not my brother/sister/mother/father," then a lot less would happen.

We should all learn to use our guns wisely and within the laws that were written for them, and hope we never have to use it but for hunting and target practice.

Agent 47 is spewing absolute Lies, That is Total Bull Sh!t He is spewing about Veterans and Fully Auto Weapons. You'll have to show me where it says that in the AFTE Regulations. Lair, Double Liar, Traitorous Fricking Moron !!

I think it's time we gather up all these anti-American supremacist groups, whether they be white, black, yellow or whatever and extradite them to some small island that the US owns and no longer uses for nuclear testing. Who knows, maybe the leftover radiation will mutate them all into some better form of life! They sure aren't doing anything positive here in American as they arm themselves and await some foolish Race War!

Good Lord bluepanther, are you a social worker or something?

There is no indication that this beast was mentally ill. Having different beliefs than yours does not make someone mentally ill. Being a bigot does not make someone mentally ill. Being evil does not mean that they are necessarily mentally ill.

I have heard that liberalism is a mental illness but I believe it's just lack of good judgement.

Demar,

One of my good friends is a Sikh. She lost relatives in this tragedy, too.

You might want to know more about a subject before spewing incorrect information. This culture treats all humans with dignity, women included. The women I've met hold down careers, maintain their own money, homes, cars, etc., while their husbands do the same. There isn't any 'gender rolls' per say. My friends father is the family cook, as well as the Temple cook. My friend will be part of an arraigned marriage, but one of HER choice ( means she will find the guy and ask her PARENTS to make the marriage arrangements with his parents). I asked her, " if she found out she and her husband didn't suit, or he beat her or whatever, does her traditions and family support divorce, or do they force the couple to stay together, no matter what?"She said, "No, if something like that were to happen, we can be divorced". She also informed me that most work out well and divorce is rare. The families, and the couples, get to know one another very well before the marriage is performed. I met her while studying nursing in school, all three of her sisters went into the medical field. All three bought their own cars. They give their parents money, but remember these are adults, not children, so rent would be expected. Even my own parents charged me rent, as long as I was working, but not when I was going to school. The only cultural aspect that might raise an eyebrow or two, if anyone noticed, is that they do not wear shorts, dresses, bathing suits or anything that reveals their legs.

Sikh see people, not gender, not looks, not as dollars signs, as people...and they are some of the most nonjudgmental, friendly people I've every been lucky enough to meet.

Right wing

Left wing

Chicken wing

Vegan

Not knowing the difference between a
Hindu,
a Muslim,
a Shikh or
a turbaned Nigerian
is NOT A REASON TO SHOOT someone.

The sorry bastard took the coward's way out. Typical.

He has dead eyes.

Agent47!

Davey - He was in the military, he could have gotten any gun he wanted, vets are allowed to go out and purchase any weapon on the market, even fully automatic weapons, this guy instead used a general issue 9mm. This has nothing to do with gun laws, it has to do with vets having guns, but youre one of those people that wouldn't even want the military to have guns.

What? Well that's news to me. I spent 20+ years in the military and guess what...your statement is pure BS. It might be easier to obtain a class "C" license if you applies soon after leaving the service based on a previous security clearance, but I don't even know that as being true. Simply having been in the military doesn't get you any special consideration when purchasing weapons. It simply means that, more likely than not, you know how to use it. Even that doesn't imply you necessarily know when to use it. Where do people come up with this crap?

Actually NAZIS are socialists. Aren't you proud of your bretheren?

I don't know what history book you have been reading but the Nazis were fascists.

XDm9mm,

the fact that the nazis claimed to be socialist didn't actually make them socialists any more than the DPRK (democratic peoples republic of Korea) is democratic...... learn some history.

the term socialism means, a classless society. the nazis were obviously the opposite of that. not to mentions they were anti-union and the entire system was supported by industrialists and bankers.

From the article >Authorities reiterated Wednesday that it appears Page, who reportedly had ties to white supremacist groups, acted alone and that they still have not determined his motive.

Really they have not determined his motive? Are they stupid or what? Its called RACISM and hate. And hate is just Fear to the extreme. There is a scale to Evil and God or if you prefer Hate and Love

<EVIL ----------------------------------------- GOD>

<FEAR------------------------------------------Love>

Each of us regardless of our faith sit along this scale in parts at different times in our lives. Hopefully as we progress in life. We tend to move toward God or love side. And fear less about life. But some folks just cant get it. There is enough of everything for everyone. We were born to create not compete.

Hate groups of any race sicken me. As they should any person with a soul.

tracey you and satanick are right and xdm9mm is a typical rightwing FOOL....

XDm9mm

American Socialist

Actually NAZIS are socialists. Aren't you proud of your bretheren?

Probably you should actually read a book on fascism rather than relying on the literal meaning of the name or the word of genius' such as Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh. The best definition of fascism I've seen was a quote by Benito Mussolini himself: Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
By that definition it looks much more closely related to the Neo-Republican Party than socialism.

727-what garbage his whole group represents

garbage? which is? do you know what his whole group represents or are you confusing it with what government and media want you to stereo type them as being?

Here is a link to an article with way more info on the shooter http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/shooter-wade-page-was-army-vet-white-supremacist-856cn28-165123946.html

Having Pride in your culture is one thing IE being of English bloodlines or African or Native American whatever. Having the idea that because one is English or African or whatever. Makes one better than another culture is false. Each culture has something to offer humanity and has its undesirable parts to it. And each person can choose to see that there is. A bit of good in the worst of us. And a bit of Bad in the Best of us.

White supremacy touts the very same thing any street gang touts. Protection against a feared enemy. Mostly made up out of fear. All Gangs and Hate groups only add to humanities problems. By spreading un called for fear. If any one is handing any of these groups a raw deal. It is themselves.

Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
By that definition it looks much more closely related to the Neo-Republican Party than socialism

Fascism = socialism = neo Democrats

To know what socialism and fascism are, let us begin by examining some
historical examples of each. Fascist states have included Hitler's Germany,
Mussolini's Italy, Tojo's Japan, Franco's Spain, Pinochet's Chile, and possibly
Peron's Argentina. If we were to focus on each of these concretes, we would
observe numerous differences. For instance, Hitler's Fascism was racist.
Mussolini's was not. Mussolini's fascism involved belligerent nationalism.
Franco's did not. What unites each of these concretes into a group of similars
can be seen in a common definition of fascism: "A governmental system with
strong centralized power, permitting no opposition or criticism, controlling all
affairs of the nation (industrial, commercial, etc.)" (American College
Dictionary, New York: Random House, 1957).

Socialist states have included the USSR,
Communist China, socialist Sweden, socialist England, Cuba, North Korea, and a
handful of lesser regimes in Eastern Europe, East Africa, and Southeast Asia.
Once again, there is a prima facie difficulty in determining what factor these
various states held in common. After all, some socialist regimes (like Sweden's
and England's) were elected democratically. Others, like the USSR's and the
PRC's, were the result of popular violent revolutions. Still others were the
product of either military coup (Cuba, Ethiopia, Vietnam) or foreign invasion
(the Eastern Bloc). The trait common to all of these is provided, once again by
the definition of socialism: "a theory or system of social organization which
advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means or production,
capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole" (American College
Dictionary).

Now that we have these two concepts (socialism and fascism) squarely on the
table, we can spell out their differences and similarities. It is obvious that
there are numerous differences between socialism and fascism, the most obvious
of which concerns their view of private property. Socialism abolishes the
institution entirely; fascism does not. For instance, in the Soviet Union,
citizens had to wait years for their names to come up on a list to receive a car
from the government. At the same time, everyone is familiar with the existence
of wealthy property owners like Oskar Schindler who lived under the Nazi regime.
This difference in ideology did in fact manifest itself in actual historical
practice. The communists and Social Democrats were, in fact, the main opponents
of the rise of Nazi power in Weimar Germany; Nazi Germany and Socialist Russia
were at each other's throats in World War II.

oskar-1391552

To know what socialism and fascism are, let us begin by examining some historical examples of each. Fascist states have included Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Tojo's Japan, Franco's Spain, Pinochet's Chile, and possibly Peron's Argentina. If we were to focus on each of these concretes, we would observe numerous differences. For instance, Hitler's Fascism was racist. Mussolini's was not. Mussolini's fascism involved belligerent nationalism. Franco's did not. What unites each of these concretes into a group of similars can be seen in a common definition of fascism: "A governmental system with strong centralized power, permitting no opposition or criticism, controlling all affairs of the nation (industrial, commercial, etc.)" (American College Dictionary, New York: Random House, 1957).

Let's look at the government control of industry and use Mussolini's Italy as an example. Are you familiar with Italy's Grand Council of Fascism? If so, would you care to explain who made up this council which replaced the elected parliament? If not, I would be happy to. The Grand Council of Fascism was largely made up of Italy's Industrial leaders, Military leaders and Party members. Italy's Corporations were initially suppose to combine with Italy's labor unions however because of the Industry influence within the Grand Council, a change was instituted and the plan became one where the labor unions were completely neutered. This was accomplished by outlawing all labor unions not sanctioned by the Fascist party. (Republican war on labor and corporate influence over government (Citizens United)).

Let's look at the government control of industry and use Mussolini's Italy as an example. Are you familiar with Italy's Grand Council of Fascism?

GM Government Motors is an example of fascism, if we allowed Obama he will take all over the industries. Maxime Waters treat to take over the oil industry if they don't lower the price of gas.

Ole Doc and others who are slamming XD...

National Socialism (common English short form Nazism, German: Nationalsozialismus) was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi Germany.^[1][2][3][4] It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

So kindly lay off. Apparently you don't know it all, after all.

Agent,

Do you have any clue what you are talking about? Why don't you go to the ATF website and do some research. Tell us what state you are from so we can beat you up on that also. You seem to be trying to paint Vets in a negative light. If you are a Vet shame on you for not showing support. If not a vet quit spewing your lies and defamation.

The writer of this article James Eng claims to have seen a video of police shooting the suspected gunman.

and by the way, I've seen the video, it is an amazing shot.

Odd this unknown unreleased video does not also show the suspect shooting himself in the head?

Odd also the video system of the temple just happened to be "turned off", how convenient!

Still even stranger is the fact that nowhere in this article does it mention the first interviewed witnesses described four gunmen in black garb. Nor does it mention that the suspected shooter was previously an Army PsyOps Officer before supposedly being demoted to sergeant. So the narrative of the shooter mistaking his victims for Muslims is ludicrous and completely unbelievable.

I won't pretend to know exactly what happened, but be assured it isn't what you are being told by people like the writer of this article.

These maniacs can stage events like this every day, it won't change my mind about the 2nd amendment.

There is only one scenario in which I would willingly give up my guns. (1.) The entire world outside the U.S. has been disarmed. (2.) The U.S. military in every form has been disarmed and dismantled. (3.) Jesus appears to me personally and says it's cool.....a tall order considering I'm Agnostic.

Every time we have another staged event or Piers Morgan opens his mouth, I'm gonna buy another gun!

oskar: Are you trolling or simply ignorant of common knowledge. The administration provided bail out for the American Auto Industry, no different that the TARP program provided to the banking and securities industry. If you are suggesting that the auto industry was a Facism take over then what do you call GW Bush who used Billions, not simply millions to bail out industry.

Second, the companies had a choice to take the bailout or not. In both cases, GM would have gone through BK! Our government does not run GM, contrary to what you're trying to insinuate contrary to facts. Our gov holds stocks as collateral (as oppose to when previous White House simply gave it to every bank who had their hands out during the first go around.

Finally, are you calling John Bohner a Facist? because you do know that Ms Waters works under John... After typing... I realize you're simply a knuckled troll, because no one is that stupid and ignorant. oh well too lazy to delete my post. If I catch you trolling like this, I will definitely throw you butt to the watchers.

Broad Speculation---

Anyone who belongs to these groups (cults) are Mentally ill; Neo Nazi's; Terrorists (this one was supposed to be a "home grown Terrorist"--including the Ku Klux Klan, etc.--and all the people who massacre others before doing away with themselves--

The United States is full of Mentally Ill people with no treatment, or those who do not seek treatment--no one can force them to seek it; the innocent people who are killed, or injured, are their Target Boards--Angry Males.

All those who have plans to carry out like the last recent 2, or the ones before-- should look at their gun in the face and shoot themselves first. Now we have innocent victims who will be Mentally Ill for the rest of their lives from being shot multiple times close range; the blood soaked traumas they witnessed, or were in..

The Psychiatrists, Pyschologists in this Country must be busier than ever. "My Brother's Keeper". Report these crazies to Authorities if they tell anyone about their future deadly plans..

Davey, I must disagree with you! He was allocated ten bricks for his brain, but failed to pick up nine of them when the brains were passed out! If he received a dishonorable discharge from the U. S. Army, he had to have had a very terrible record.

Angela, thank you for the good information about the Sikhs. We in American need to learn something about South Asian dress. The turbans are NOT Islamic style. Their dresses are NOT at all like burqas, tents, or shrouds that Islamic women wear. The man with the turban wants to be your friend, and will readily smile. The man wearing Islamic dress wants to kill you and does not know to either smile or be friendly.

Kai.

Ole Doc and others who are slamming XD...

National Socialism (common English short form Nazism, German: Nationalsozialismus) was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi Germany.^[1][2][3][4] It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism.

So kindly lay off. Apparently you don't know it all, after all.

WTF are you talking about??? I didn't even bring up Nazi Germany. I brought up Fascist Italy because they are a better example of Fascism than Germany. You weren't homeschooled by any chance were you?

Bob in KC - well, compared to christianity...it's far more peaceful.

I mean, America, full of christians, are the ones invading and occupying...creating wars all over the place based on lies and propaganda.

So, if Christianity is peaceful, then the Sikh's are far more peaceful.

You've got ONE example of them not being so nice...I've got HUNDREDS of examples of christians not being so nice.

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Ole Doc,

Sorry, that was mybad. What I meant to use as an example before I had a brain-fart was:

Like socialism and communism, fascism uses a central authority to maintain control, but "terror and censorship" are common. It results from economic failure in democratic political systems. Interestingly, while socialism and communism are both on the left end of the political spectrum, fascism contains elements of both "left and right ideology" and rises from economic collapse.

So there are very close similarities between the two. (I really apologize for my error, I've been ill, on antibiotics and codeine.)

[SIC]joined the Army in 1992 and left the service in 1998, according to Army spokesman George Wright. His service was marked by "patterns of misconduct," though he received an honorable discharge, according to a Pentagon official.[SIC]

HONORABLE discharge from the Army of 6 years...... "Killing himself was probably he only good thing he has ever done in his life".....

do you really feel that way about our veterans?

He thought he'd be able to get away.

Ditto, Kragg, my thoughts precisely.... And he probably will after the ACLU decides how to spin this....

No, I really think he knew he would be caught. Why else would he rig his apartment with explosives to hurt the police when they went to check his apartment. As for thinking in general, no one can figure out what this idiot's motive was other then sheer evil. Everything is pretty close to the chest quiet with the authorities. We don't know when, if ever, a motive will be released. I guess it is just a closure thing I feel I need. And the poor victims and families need something. Meanwhile this idiot is well fed and tucked away in safety from the other prisoners.

Texson55

Ditto, Kragg, my thoughts precisely.... And he probably will after the ACLU decides how to spin this....

WTF are u talking about....the ACLU defends those who's constitutional rights have been violated......where did this POS in Colo have any of his constitutional rights violated.....please explain!!!

In some country's, it's up to family members of a convicted criminal to provide them with food, pay for their clothing and other items while that person is in jail. Maybe we should start doing that here in the USA. Maybe people would start thinking about what they are doing before hand when they see prisoners starving in jail.

Texson55

Ditto, Kragg, my thoughts precisely.... And he probably will after the ACLU decides how to spin this....

Tell me Texas, why in your informed opinion would the ACLU take this jerk's case?

2007:
In a report issued in February, the Texas affiliate of the National Rifle Association joined the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas and the Texas Criminal Justice Coalition "to spotlight unlawful, unnecessary governmental encroachment on average law-abiding citizens."
The report, "Above the Law: How Texas prosecutors are placing their own judgment over that of the Legislature and the law of the land," found that district and county attorneys had instructed police officers to "unnecessarily" interrogate drivers and arrest them or take their weapons, "even if they are legally carrying the gun."

2008:
ACLU of Nevada decided to change its stance following the Supreme Court's ruling in the Heller case, which correctly interpreted the Second Amendment as an individual right.

A statement on the ACLU of Nevada website reads:

"In light of the United States Supreme Court's decision concerning the D.C. handgun ban ( District of Columbia v. Heller ), the ACLU of Nevada considers it important to clearly state its position regarding the right to bear arms. The Nevada ACLU respects the individual's right to bear arms subject to constitutionally permissible regulations. The ACLU of Nevada will defend this right as it defends other constitutional rights. This policy was formulated by our affiliate Board in light of both the U.S. Constitution and the clearly-stated individual right to bear arms as set out in the Nevada.

ACLU is your best friend and you're not even bright enough to know it. - ROFLMAO

but then, facts are often irrelevant to the truly hardcore right wingers. (think: grand canyon 6000 years old here)

ol_doc you are wasting your time talking sense to that guy....he watch fox news and listen to rush limbaugh

vicki-1. Don't parrot evolutionary talking points as if they are FACTS. They are NOT. No proof, and to believe the evolutionary stories (whichever one is current) takes a whole lot more faith than the logical facts of creation by God in Genesis.

2. To believe that the complex universe came about from a "big bang" takes a whole lot of credulous belief. Tell us, oh intelligent one, where did the elements needed for the "big bang" (LOL) come from?

3. Don't spew your crazy definition of "hardcore right wingers" whatever those are, as knowing the Grand Canyon was formed during the flood. Furthermore, that wasn't 6,000 years ago. That occurred during the time of Noah.

4. Don't confuse Republican with Christian. Not the same thing.

Got it?

Lou7777777, don't spew your creationist bull@!$%# on us, the only thing you have to base it on is an ancient book of stories once widely believed because there were no other answers until the last half a century. Once our greatest minds started doing research that was contrary to biblical belief, they tried to explain and publish them without getting prosecuted and executed. Are you doing to deny that the Earth is not the center of the universe, we revolve around the sun and that the Earth is round? You have no facts to the contrary! Nothing was studied or researched on your part since Creationists believe everything was right the first time and "Intellegent Design" is not even remotely scientific. There was no Great Flood as there couldn't have been enough water world wide to cover every part on Earth (I'm gonna skip the part where we have alot of animals considering there was only a pair of each species on a boat, yet the dinosaurs weren't spared) and erosion of such depth as the Grand Canyon takes millions of years, not 40 days and 40 nights. The fact that so many people in the US believes in such theology makes me wonder why the hell we rank 28th in education world wide.

Now, wasn't this about a skinhead killing himself after a shoot out with police after he shot up a Sikh temple?

Yep, people who've commited suicide is more brave then this waste.

You said it, Jim. Gutless wonders all.

He killed himself, but only after being gut-shot with a high-powered rifle. It's comforting to think that this guy was feeling so much unimaginable gut pain he was forced to prematurely free his brain from his skull.

All racists are cowards.

You're right, culheath, they have to be.....as bad as we are as a society, we still have little tolerance for hate crimes----despite how the media spins it.

If you weren't scared shytless of anything that is a bit different from what you see in the mirror everyday, you wouldn't need racism to justify your fear.

Sorry to say that right now, his ilk is probably hailing him as a hero......It's a sad and disgusting situation....But at least he's gone:)

Some people are just follicly impaired. Wouldn't that mean profiling? That would mean discrimination. We would need to check an equal number of bald Black & Hispanics too just to make it fair. Heaven forbid if they shaved & blended into the crowd. We would be bothering a bunch of Cancer patients too.

Hey ... I have one of those Fu-Man Chu's !!!

P.S. ... NOT a Skinhead either.

What is with the we. Why don't YOU, Rob, come and take my gun away. So you share one thing with the guy. You too are a coward. Have to hide behind we, spout your crap anonymously, and pay someone else to die for your opinion. I am so sick of the hypocritical gun control freaks that only have a right to spout their crap because GOOD people with guns fought and died for their freedoms. I feel for the these people too but you know what-those same people fought and died for them to be peaceful, and loving too. Hypocrites all.

You too are a coward. Have to hide behind we, spout your crap anonymously, and pay someone else to die for your opinion. I am so sick of the hypocritical gun control freaks that only have a right to spout their crap because GOOD people with guns fought and died for their freedoms.

Your attempt to equate yourself with a freedom fighter, just because you own a gun, is truly contemptible.

If you want see courage, look at the revolutionaries in Tahrir courage, who faced down an entire military dictatorship without a single weapon - and won. Look at Gandhi, who fought a world empire - and won. Look at Nelson Mandela.

Owning a gun is no sign of courage. Owning a gun is no sign of being willing to defend anything. Jared Loughner owned a gun. James Holmes owned a gun. Wade Michael Page owned a gun. These are the people you admire?

BobW internet tough guy!

Owning a gun and being courageous are mutually exclusive, just like owning a gun and being bad are mutually exclusive.

Bryan Raum,

People like BobW will never see your point because they base there manhood on owning a GUN..They cry about it'sthere right to own guns and people died for that right. I do not believe the founding fathers of this great nation would be PROUD on how we abused the right to own guns..and BobW I am a retire soldier who would have given his life for this country...did you ever serve?????

Byron Raum, tell me you're not going to start singing "Kum By Yah".......puh-leeze!

Hi Dennis,

I too am a vet. US Army 71-72....... I think you ask a very real question. Most who mouth off on the boards really makes me wonder what they've done, for THEIR country. Other that spew their sh!t online.

So, I'll ask as well, What have "YOU" done??

Let's see the responses.....

Dennis, Welcome home Brother.

Much Love to All,

Da Pup

Love the fu manchu...on a man that is...lol.

Bob..I see a Ron and a Rod...but no Rob...

Why are you so angry? No one was bashing anyone with guns...just the POS and his group that like to spread hate....hate, which causes the wars that people need to have guns for.

I, like everyone here, am very thankful to anyone who went and fought for us....for our country....so please, don't accuse some here of being ungrateful.

Everyone here is disgusted with what is going on...with what this idiot did, and the people he represents and what they do...and there is NO WAY you can mistake these people here for people like that.

Chill, hun...too much hate is going around...frankly,it scares me to death sometimes...and makes me glad I never had kids. However, I do fear for my nieces and my nephew.

Be nice.

How about Mr. Clean ???

bluepanther20 - He's pissed about the fu manchu thing. I'm bald with a goat myself but use to have a fu. Also 20+ years USCG and US Army. By the way bob, the weapon doesn't make the man...the man makes the weapon. A lot of us put it on the line bob, but owning a gun as a civilian is a choice...not a sacred duty.

What mind ???

Conjuring Cat

Hey jawbone--Sikhs aren't Muslim! And would you care to be the VERY FIRST PERSON EVER to tell me which specific, exclusively Christian principles this country was supposedly founded on? Hmm?...

*crickets*

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#13.4 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 1:03 PM EDT

Most of the fifty-five Founding Fathers who
worked on the Constitution were members of orthodox Christian churches and many
were even evangelical Christians. The first official act in the First
Continental Congress was to open in Christian prayer, which ended in these
words: "...the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son, our Savior. Amen". Sounds
Christian to me.

"The general principles on which the fathers achieved Independence were ...
the general principles of Christianity ... I will avow that I then believed,
and now believe, that the general principles of Christianity are as etemal and
immutable as the existence and attributes of God." John Quincy Adams

"Providence has given to our people the choice of
their rulers, and it is their duty-as well as privilege and interest- of our
Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the United
States Supreme Court, and one of the three men most responsible for the writing
of the Constitution

Sorry, you lose. Try again later. Still nothing in the Constitution or the US Code--you know, our actual instruments of government, as opposed to philosophical ramblings from selected politicians--specifically invoking specific and exclusively Christian tenets into national law. And as long as you want to mention outside ramblings, how about this? "The United States is in no way founded upon the Christian Religion."--the Treaty of Tripoli. Since the Treaty was ratified by the US Senate, IT IS U. S. LAW. Game. Set. Match. So...still no citations from our instruments of government that are directly and exclusively from Christian philosophy. Nice try, but you lose...

You do realize the United States is not and was never a Theocracy so obviously The Constitution isn't a religious document..I don't think i understand your negligible arguement or point to your ramblings...The Whole draw of the United States was the freedom of religious expression and life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...But our Country was clearly founded by Christians and that can't be denied by any of you God-hating secularists as much as you may try to.. As for your citing of the Treaty of Tripoli, perhaps you should read the whole Article and fully understand it before you base your arguement on it ..As the last sentence in the Article states, since America is not a Theocracy, we cannot have a state-to-state theological disagreement with these Muslim nationns on the basis of religious opinions. You realize at the time, many European nations and almost all Muslim nations were Theocratic...So stating in the Treaty that clearly are Foreign Policy is not driven by Religion seems to be the smart way to handle business

Now i'm not sure of your Agenda, although i have a good idea, but i could cite many examples to point to the Fact the this Country was founded by Christians on Christian principles. If the words of our Founding Fathers aren't enough evidence to convince you then obviously nothing will..The fact remains that almost 80% of Americans identify and consider themselves Christians

In the words of George Washington “Religion and Morality are indispensable supports” of our nation’s political prosperity

P.S. I'm assuming you know what the word Theocracy means..but from your statement "still no citations from our instruments of government that are directly and exclusively from Christian philosophy. Nice try, but you lose" I'm not so certain you do..

P.S It has to do with the hold mumbo jumbo about Seperation of Church and State

P.S Which pretty much makes your whole arguement a Moot point!!!

Maybe i should further simplify it for you because i know how you God-Fearing Secularists are ...Theocracy is a form of government in which official policy is governed by immediate divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as (or claim to be) divinely guided, or is pursuant to the doctrine of a particular religion or religious group...The United States as i stated earlier is not and never was a theocracy..The first Amendment strictly prohibits it...Hence the whole Seperation of Church and State...So to find "citations" of religious philosophy in our instrument of government would completely go against everything this country stands for

DUDE - Breath !!!

jawm -

If you read any of the original articles, they clearly stated that he was never deployed during his time in the service so it should have no bearing on his actions. Secondly, you should maybe do some research on the Sikh religion... they aren't Muslims but since they wear turbans you immediately assume they are?

Hey jawbone--Sikhs aren't Muslim! And would you care to be the VERY FIRST PERSON EVER to tell me which specific, exclusively Christian principles this country was supposedly founded on? Hmm?...

*crickets*

Jawm, he was never deployed. Nice try, but that won't fly.

jawm, the problem with your entire diatribe is that these were NOT Muslims! Or is it that you made the same egregious error in judgment that the shooter did. The point is that if he's going to do something as stupid as shoot up a place of worship, he should at least make sure that it's the one he really had in mind. Not every non-Christian religion is out to destroy the nation--most of them simply want to be left alone to worship as they please.

jawm - we don't need any hate comments... yours will do just fine... "what that 'religion' teaches"? Do you know anything at all about the Sikhs? Even if we were talking about Muslims, have you read the Quran? Whose goal is to destroy us from the inside? Who is "us"? When was the last time a muslim walked into an American Christian church, murdered people, and there was no reaction? You are taking care of all the hate for us. America was founded on "Christian values"... would you include genocide of the native population, stealing their land, slavery, "Christan values"? Maybe the indigenous populations of America wish all the Europeans would go back to Europe? Give me a break!

I'm so sorry to have read your comment. It's people like you who need to have some patience and just take the time to read, read, read and understand others - especially those of different religions.

Do you realize that Sikhs are NOT Muslims? Why do so many Americans think that because someone wears a Turban- they are automatically a terrorist. It's a very narrow-minded way of thinking and I feel hurt for the world and country I live in.

Please understand that it is not the Muslim religion that is to BLAME- it is those extremists, those people who take a religion ( and it can be Christianity, or any other religion) to another level that is unholy. I have Muslim friends and they DO NOT preach what you wrote above. Please reconsider your stance.

You will they would all return to the Middle East? ANd i'm sure the Native Americans will we'd all return to our native land. Come on. You apparently have issues with change and progression and as those all educated and cultured know, change is inevitable and the ones who adapt to change are the ones who survive.

I understand that this man had deep inner struggles, and was damaged, but nonetheless you don't go killing other people because they're different.

I have been laid off from 2 jobs, lost my father when I was 24, struggled with people who don't like me because i'm not the same color as them, have had deep anger and depression b/c of other personal issues- do you see me going off and killing innocent people because they look different than me?

And in case you're wondering- I am an Indian woman, age 30, college educated, believe in God.

jawm,

Why should a Muslim who was born in America return to the middle east?

Jawm - this POS never left the country, nor did he experience any combat.

Still waiting, jawbone--cite me one item in the US Constitution or the US Code that comes explicitly and exclusively from Christianity! Just one, bright boy...

*still crickets*

This world does not need white, black, indian, japanese, etc., supremacist who think their race is far superior than others. We all need to open our eyes and praise GOD because he is about love and forgiveness. His sacrifice was the ultimate gift that he gave to all of us, his SON for our sins. What that man did, was absolutely evil and we don't know what he thought before he pulled the trigger to take his own life, but I hope it was asking for forgiveness from GOD.

jawm, I'm a former convert to Islam. I know Muslims. I've visited them in their homes, interacted with them, and spoken with them many times. Have you? Do you even know a Muslim? Islam is not a religion of hate, but its cultural contexts, traditionally conflated with Islamic teachings, can promote intolerance and backwardsness. SOME Muslims maximize this and are extremists, but not all or even most. That's why Taliban Muslim extremists kill Muslims.

You talk about America being based on Christian values. What are those values? Read the Bible. Among other things, it permits owning slaves, beating your wife, and having your disobedient kids killed. Are these Christian values? Do most Christians embrace or do these things? No, but if some nutcases did, would that make Christianity a religion of hate? There are good and bad in all groups. Islam today in parts of the world is where Christianity was 500 years ago. It needs to change, but hate isn't at its roots. Using stereotypes about Muslims to excuse what this loser did is disingenuous.

"This world does not need white, black, indian, japanese, etc., supremacist who think their race is far superior than others. We all need to open our eyes and praise GOD because he is about love and forgiveness. His sacrifice was the ultimate and that is the best gift that I have ever received, his SON for my sins."

cc in st. louis, you said that we don't need racial supremacists, but then you kind of spoke like a religious supremacist and told all of us that we need to open our eyes and embrace YOUR God. Your intentions were no doubt good, but can't you make a connection here? The world would not be a better place if everyone was Christian, any more than it would be if everyone was of the same race.

I noticed this POS had racist tattoos on his neck, and who knows where else so I'd guess that is one way to identify these white supremacists. The FBI has been watching some/Most Muslim groups since 9/11, maybe they'd better start watching these white supremacist groups as well. Put them under the microscope, take away their gun-owning rights if need be.

jawm

Obviously your ignorance knows no bounds.

As others have posted... he never deployed. ANYWHERE.

And Sikhs are NOT Muslim. Sikhs are derived from Hinduism.

Please ensure others that you have NOT procreated. If you have, please place the poor child up for adoption with intelligent people.

Unless the guy left a note saying why he targeted the Sihks I'm guessing he was dumb enough to think he was going after people of another religion. Stupidity is the #1 problem of all these racists. Can't read a news article, can't do math, can't read a history book, can't write a business report or letter. No coping skills, limited job skills but OMG do they know guns. Plenty of money and time for guns and ammo. Sit around in a group of stupids and hate talk all day long. OR do it online. We really need more extensive background checks. But the criteria for "you don't get one" needs to be expanded. Too many whackos are getting guns legally.

jawm I realize your comment was collapsed but it needs to be addressed.

1. As a veteran myself I will tell you, nothing experienced in the military is an excuse to kill innocent civilians. If I as a veteran kill an innocent civilian in cold blood my military service will not be an excuse and I hope I am taken out.

2. Most people alive today lived through 9/11. Living through 9/11 is sure as hell not excuse to kill the innocent.

3. Next time you post I recommend you do a little research. Sikhs are not Muslims, they are Hindus. Hindus don't tend to get along with Muslims particularly well (google Kashmir).

If you don't understand a situation please do the research. Otherwise you risk insulting the intelligence of your reader.

Most all the high profile anti-gun people have body guards armed to the teeth. They just don't want everyday people with guns. That is like Health Care & Social Securtity. These law makers are set for life with insurance & a pension. They don't have to live by their own rules. Maybe they should. I think the should have random Pee Test for all Government Employees & all Welfare Recipients.

Maybe it's not in the news because being anti-automatic weapons and gun ownership with no restrictions does NOT mean anti-2nd Amendment or the right to defend yourself and your home, no matter what the NRA tells you with its scare-tactics. Many of us own guns ourselves and fully support the right to defend ourselves. It is the idiots who think the founding fathers wanted everyone shooting it out in the streets who are trying to convince everyone otherwise. Reasonable discourse and limits to the proliferation of heavy armaments is not unreasonable or beyond the scope of protecting 2nd Amendment rights, despite the bogeyman the NRA rails on about.

Reminds me of when Carl T. Rowan, the black guy who wrote editorials carried by all the big newspapers, who was also very strongly anti-gun, shot a white teenager who along with his buddies, were pool hopping. The kid never tried getting into Rowans house, but Rowan went outside and shot him for swimming in his pool. Rowan tried to say it was ok he had a gun because he got it from his son who was an FBI agent.

Bunch of hypocrites who want guns for themselves but not for anyone else. Just like the Chicago Alderman who banned handguns in the city but made themselves exempt from the law.

Wonder why there's no story about the following. Guess some people claim to be anti-gun just for politics.

Long time Anti-Gun Advocate State Senator R.C. Soles, 74, shot one of two intruders at his home just outside Tabor City , N.C. about 5 p.m. Sunday, the prosecutor for the politician’s home county said.

A fine example. Senator Soles was charged with assault, and has been the subject of investigations involving the sexual abuse of young men.

Oh, you mean the part from the chain e-mail that claims that Soles is anti-gun. What ruling exactly gave him the anti-gun reputation?

ScienceCzar

Please expand on your "anti-automatic weapons" slightly.

Automatic firearms are STRICTLY controlled by the federal government. It requires specific licensing and an extensive background investigation to acquire a federal permit.

So, please enlighten us as to what you srite about.

See, here is where you are making your huge mistake. Your dichotomous thinking interferes with your ability to reason. Just because someone supports regulation and restrictions for the ownership of weapons does not mean they are "anti-gun". That "Anti" you attempt to attach is just another way to play your semantic little games and makes you appear to be even less capable of logic and reason than you probably are. It's an all ot nothing game to you, and as a consequence, you use your ridiculous all or nothing arguments to attempt to support your own stupidity and inability to think on a continuum. You actually do more to defeat your own argument than you do to support it.

Kevin D. Hoke

Most all the high profile anti-gun people have body guards armed to the teeth. They just don't want everyday people with guns. That is like Health Care & Social Securtity. These law makers are set for life with insurance & a pension. They don't have to live by their own rules. Maybe they should. I think the should have random Pee Test for all Government Employees & all Welfare Recipients.

As a Federal employee, I'll go along with the piss test when EVERYONE (including Corporate CEOs) are require to take a piss test...that includes you.

Very very interesting.

Easy there Penguin ... I've got the same facial hair.

So did Charlie Chaplin and Oliver Hardy, both comedians.

Haha, I like this! The only problem, there are just SO many dumb asses in the news lately!

Total agreement! Too many copycats that think they need their name in lights, to be known, etc. Maybe that would slow this crap down.

If they just reported a "cowardly dumb-ass" shot people we would all be wondering which liberal politician it was that did the shooting.

Well said!

So only the "Skinheads" are to blame for domestic terrorism JT? What about the gang infested neighborhoods? Don't think for 1 minute that I agree with what happened, but to say it's just 1 groups problem is wrong. I cannot walk into the vario in LA without risking my life or into the surrounding neighborhoods around them just because the color of my skin. Hatred is everywhere & all groups promote it!

Can't wait till his other club members start trying to avenge his death. And it will happen, wait and see. These people are unstable. And no doubt, they will be legal gun owners as well.

Where's the "vario" in LA, or is that how all the "batos" call it?

Ciewywt42mh6sps-23: Don't pick on Vrian-1756723. The vario is very near my heighborgood. The fleople there are pretty gice. Sometimes I go to the maundrosplat there.

Pond scum has a use. Because of photosynthesis it adds oxygen to the atmosphere. Don't pick on lowly algae

Yeah like the Crips & BLoods & The Hells Angels & the Hessons & the Vagos & M13 These are nation wide gangs.

...don't forget the Warriors, the Follies, the Riffs, the Bad News Bears, the Get-A-Long Gang, the Furious Five, White Flight and the Black Menace (they work together), the Mighty Ducks, and UTFO, too!

gerrychard - Love it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The gun is a good thing. Perhaps all gun owners could just shoot themselves. We can plan a special day.

minmn - Boo !!!

minmn

While you apparently wish I were dead, I wish you no ill will and hope you enjoy a full and interesting life.

Have a wonderful day. I would only ask that you ponder your words of hate and actually think if they are reasonable or the ramblings of a man like Wade Michael Page. Personally, I think the latter.

minmn....STFU and GTFO you are not a very productive person on here....Nothing but an Internet bully whose choice in your verbal assault on gun owners with out the use of one iota of a brain cell is not doing you any favors.

BTW if I told you what I thought you should do I would be banned.... :-(

So your point is?

I am all for thinning the herd! When the crazies go out to play they just may be facing some force!

Because you get some moron like my cousin who was carrying, heard some fireworks, drew his weapon and accidentally shot a horse and almost hit a little girl because his gun went off before he fixed on his target. Two rounds and he had no flipping idea where they were going all because of fireworks. And he has had many gun safety and conceal/carry classes. The gun just went off. That's what we really need, a world of nervous Nellies pulling the trigger prematurely and killing people in a crowd because of their itchy trigger finger. I know ALOT of hunters and I wouldn't trust half of them with pistols.

You are right, your cousin is a moron.

I've known too many like your cousin. Hope he lost his license to carry. Don't have a problem with people carrying as long as they act responable.

SAM - I second your motion !!!

If your cousin actually had gun saftey training then why was his gun loaded? You never put one in the chamber unless you are ready to fire