More than half of the country experienced "moderate to exceptional" drought conditions at the end of July, the hottest month ever recorded. And the impact of this hot weather has been felt across the nation as crops shrivel and wildfires rage out of control. NBC's Rehema Ellis reports.
It may come as little surprise with this summer's sweaty nights and blistering days across much of the country, but July marked the hottest month on record for the contiguous United States, according to government scientists. Furthermore, drought now covers nearly 63 percent of the Lower 48 states, where average precipitation is 0.19 inch below average.
A bit of hope, though, was seen for some crops in the Midwest thanks to cooler temperatures and rain.
According to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the average temperature across the contiguous United States in July was 77.6 Fahrenheit, a full 3.3 degrees above the 20th century average.
The previous warmest July was in 1936, when the nation's average temperature was 77.4 degrees.
The hot July contributed to a record-warm first seven months of the year and the warmest 12-month period the nation has experienced since accurate record keeping started in 1895.
Virginia experienced its warmest July on record, with a statewide temperature a whopping 4 F above average. In all, 32 states had July temperatures among its 10 warmest, with seven states having their second warmest July on record.
While heat and extreme events such as drought and wildfires are often associated with global warming and climate change, it's unclear if the latest pattern is part of a much larger trend.
Related: Drought socks crops despite recent showers
"These events are kind of what we'd expect with climate change, we'd expect expanding drought, we'd expect warm, record breaking temperatures," Jake Crouch, a NOAA climate scientist, told NBC News. "But it's kind of hard to pinpoint this month or past several months as a telltale sign that climate change is happening. The drought is more of a local factor and isn't necessarily driven by large scale climate change, but is impacting local temperatures. But we've also seen an increase in U.S. temperatures overall."
Still, there's no doubt this summer is taking a human toll, with warmer nights making it difficult for some people to sleep, and causing physical stress, Crouch said.
And the drought rollls on, with drier-than-average conditions continuing across the Central Plains and Midwest. Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, and Missouri had July precipitation totals ranking among their 10 driest.
Some rain and cooler temperatures in the drought-stricken Midwest, however, are expected to provide relief for late-season soybeans, but the change in the weather is arriving too late to help the already severely damaged corn crop, an agricultural meteorologist said on Wednesday.
"It's definitely better than what we've had but I'd be hesitant to call it a drought-buster. Longer-term outlooks still look like a return to warm and dry," said Jason Nicholls, meteorologist for AccuWeather.
Related: Blame blistering heat waves on global warming, study says
Nicholls said up to three-quarters of an inch of rain, with locally heavier amounts, was expected in roughly 75 percent of the Midwest from Wednesday through Friday morning, and a similar weather system is expected next week.
Though the heat can be uncomfortable, not everyone is complaining. “The heat is definitely a blessing for us after coming off the warm, dry winter without a lot of weather events,” Alan Ayers, general manager at Crisafulli Brothers Plumbing and Heating Contractors in Albany, told The Associated Press.
The 73-year-old company has seen an 18 percent increase in new air conditioner installations over last year and has its 16 technicians working long hours to install, replace and repair units taxed by the swelter.
A storm pattern in the Southwest contributed to California's fifth wettest July on record and Nevada experiencing its eighth wettest, NOAA said. Wetter-than-average conditions were also reported through the rest of the Southwest, along the western Gulf Coast, and through the Ohio Valley where West Virginia had its tenth wettest July.
The warm and dry conditions over a large swath of the United States were seen as ideal wildfire conditions, NOAA said. More than 2 million acres burned nationwide in July because of wildfires. That is nearly half a million acres above average, and the fourth most on record since 2000.
Over the weekend the fires that burned across the state damaged nearly 94,000 acres and on Monday a body was found in a Norman home. NBC's Gabe Gutierrez reports.
The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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What's sad about all this discussion is how ignorant most people actually are....just look at the cnn.com story on this subject....the "highlights" box says July beat the 1936 record by 3 degrees. That is not what happened at all...2/10th of a degree for July....3 degrees is in relation to the average for the 20th century. cnn.com must hire morons that can't read or understand anything....then mis-state the facts for the masses on their website....how can we have a discussion about this subject when the people doing the talking are idiots.....
The leftist half-wits are so mentally unsound they think the the United States is the entire planet and that the term "on record" is the equivalent of the entire history of the planet ... it's almost too funny for words!
All the while, the global ice caps have increased in size by some 400,000 square miles over the last 5 years, Alaska is having one of it's coldest summers ever and the polar bear population is increasing ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... idiots ... tooooooo funny!
Some research suggests that the changes in Antarctic sea ice—both where it is increasing and where it is decreasing—are caused in part by a strengthening of the westerly winds that flow unhindered in a circle above the Southern Ocean. “Antarctic sea ice is governed more by wind than by temperature,” said NSIDC lead scientist Ted Scambos. “The effects of climate change play out differently in the southern hemisphere than the northern hemisphere.”
Scientists say that this westerly wind pattern has grown stronger in recent years as a result of climate change. However, because Antarctic sea ice is so vulnerable to the changes in both the atmosphere and ocean, researchers are also looking at other climate patterns, such as the high latitude response to El Niño-Southern Oscillation, as well as the effects of changing ocean temperature and circulation, to understand how Antarctic sea ice is changing.
Stammerjohn and other scientists say that declining sea ice around the Antarctic Peninsula probably helps destabilize continental ice in that area by allowing the air above the ocean in that region to warm more than before. These continental ice areas are shrinking and therefore contributing to sea level rise. Stammerjohn said, “Though it is true that, on average, Antarctic sea ice is not changing, or even slightly increasing, the overall average hides a very large regional decrease that could have global consequences.”
PantherHunter, why do you only provide the isolated facts that support your denial but ignore the vast amount of facts that support global warming? Are you ever embarassed by your dishonesty?
Panther, cherry-picking data does not change decades of scientific research by hundreds of climatologists around the globe. CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and adding itt to the atmpsphere will warm the climate. Politics has nothing to do with it.
Ah, yes. Panther. Another guy who comments without reading the articles. He knows what it says. Doesn't have to actually read it.
Not to mention that the Antartic sea ice is an annual event but Arctic is the one that stays frozen, although changing in size seasonally.
And the northern ice cap is shrinking not expanding.
Panther is just wrong on many levels.
What article?!
Panther, are you ever embarassed by your dishonesty?
It appears that Panther Hunter has slunk away now that his dishonesty has been exposed.
Facts are not dishonest Goober but if I were to include your hypothesis and propaganda with the facts I have posted then those facts would no longer be facts but dilutions filled with lots of probably(s) and possibly(s) and you and your propagandist buddies already have that angle covered ... I'll stick with what has ALREADY been proven until such time there is quantifiable refuting data.
Panther Hunter, you have no shame. On the previous page of this thread you referenced the US National Snow and Ice Data Center as the source for your claim that anarctic sea ice is increasing. Yet you obviously never actually read the article. Here is a quote from the article you referenced:
Some research suggests that the changes in Antarctic sea ice—both where it is increasing and where it is decreasing—are caused in part by a strengthening of the westerly winds that flow unhindered in a circle above the Southern Ocean. "Antarctic sea ice is governed more by wind than by temperature," said NSIDC lead scientist Ted Scambos. "The effects of climate change play out differently in the southern hemisphere than the northern hemisphere."
Scientists say that this westerly wind pattern has grown stronger in recent years as a result of climate change. However, because Antarctic sea ice is so vulnerable to the changes in both the atmosphere and ocean, researchers are also looking at other climate patterns, such as the high latitude response to El Niño-Southern Oscillation, as well as the effects of changing ocean temperature and circulation, to understand how Antarctic sea ice is changing.
Stammerjohn and other scientists say that declining sea ice around the Antarctic Peninsula probably helps destabilize continental ice in that area by allowing the air above the ocean in that region to warm more than before. These continental ice areas are shrinking and therefore contributing to sea level rise. Stammerjohn said, "Though it is true that, on average, Antarctic sea ice is not changing, or even slightly increasing, the overall average hides a very large regional decrease that could have global consequences."
You quote isolated facts that you pretend prove global warming does not exist yet do not actually read the article itself. You ignored vast quantity of facts that proves global warming. You deny those.
I suppose you get your information from Fox News or other propaganda outlets rather than read real scientific articles. You are the one with an agenda and you are dishonest and a hypocrite. You revel in your dishonest ignorance.
Here you go again posting these long drawn out scientific opinions while I simply state quantifiable data points ... you're a sad little man dummy.
Good luck with all of your guessing, assumptions and hypothications, hopefully you will never be put to task over them, for your sake.
Also liar, I never said global warming does not exist and FOX News is not in the science business, they are a mere news outlet ... way to stay on point with your obvious agenda though dummy!!
Panther, LOL, I love how everything anyone else says is opinion whereas everything you say is fact.
Decemboer 21, 2012 world will change as we know it! polar shift and the magnetic field stock up and buy your supplies now..........:)
I kept seeing this dramatic headline, but noticed no one mentioned how much hotter it was, so I went looking.
I found it. 0.2 degreees
The "Dust Bowl" of the 1930's had similarly high temps across the mid west and west with temps in the 112 range for months causing massive droughts. It's cyclical!!!
Yes it did, but that does not change the fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and adding it to the atmosphere will increase the greenouse effect.
Unsubstantiated speculation!!! The earth has a way of healing itself from it's pesky mites called humans.
So all the climate scientists are wrong. Got it.
I just love guys like you who are smarter than all the world's leading scientists and climatologists.
If you went to 3 or 4 leading specialists for a physical ailment and they all told you that needed an operation would you ignore their opinions because some drunk sitting next to you at a bar said it was all a lot of jive? Cause that's about how much sense you and your crowd are making. Your good old "common sense" trumps anything all those "elititist experts" have to say.
We have known that CO2 is a greenhouse gas for over 150 years. It is not speculation. it is physics.
"Unsubstantiated speculation!!! The earth has a way of healing itself from it's pesky mites called humans."
Really, and just how many times in history has man changed the climatology of the planet and the earth healed itself ?
And how do you think it will heal itself this time ?
All of you need to speak slower, I'm not fluent in idiot!
Couldn't have said it better myself!
Will someone please let Sean Hannity know that global warming is for real. All he has to do is check the record breaking temps in all his Red States for verification. And the 40% reduction of Greenland icesheets for backup.
Oh, and by the way, no federal aid to these states until the Dem. tax plan is voted on. Isn't that what the GOP asked for to provide aid for Colorado fire victims?
When the Deniers can't cite facts to back up their fact-less claims they resort to minimizing the impact of GW by making light of it. I can't help but to wonder what these same imbeciles say to a cop when their stopped for speeding on a lonely country road with no other traffic around to blame. Just the facts....just the facts.
Here we go again, all you republican voting,fox watching, rightwing,bible thumping,we're in the end times preaching.gonna vote for romney, people. What has to happen for you inbread idiot's to believe that GLOBAL WARMING is for real? Are 99.99% of climitoligst wrong? How stupid can people be? Do you not know what the diffiffition of insanity is? Doing the same thing over and over again, the same way,and expecting a different result! You see wierd weather taking place all over the planet and say it couldn't be because the human race is poisioning the planet, we are way over populated and this is GOD'S plan for humanity! WHY? What just God would place humanity on a garden of eden planet,only to watch them destroy it for it's own amusment? No god that I would worship!The god i worship is kind ,caring,loves his children,as i love mine. However, it is a tollarent god,one that expecepts his children to use the intellengence bestoed on them to respect the planet it gave them. To treat their brother's and sister's as they would treat themselves. To use the resources it has given them,like the sun and the wind and the water and fire to provide for all. My god tell's me that all humanity is my responsibility and i'm theirs. My god tell's me that for a richman to get into the next life, is almost impossible! It say's that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. It also tell's me that the love of money is the root of all evil!That would rule out willard,look's like he's on a highway to hell. The reason i call my god, it,pure energy has no gender,and being the allmighty is pure energy. Back to taking care of what has been given to us, Do it,or suffer the consiquences! My God has spoken!
Spell-check is a Good thing Jethro and yes, there are many places around the globe that are colder than normal ... hopefully those that inhabit those regions won't freeze to death.
In regard to whether global warming is "causing" extreme weather events.
A better explanation is that global warming plays a part in weather in general now.
Warmer sea water
Warmer air.
More moisture in the air, because warm air holds more moisture.
1 degree increase in atmospheric temperature increases moisture by 4%
Which is about what it is now.
Just common sense would suggest that storms would be more powerful, rainfall and snowfall bigger, floods bigger, etc. (Dry areas are likely to get drier though, meaning extended droughts in those areas, like the U.S. southwest.)
A few analogies are -
Loaded dice. If a die is loaded, you could not say that if a 6 came up, it's because it's loaded.
But you know there is more likelihood of a 6 coming up, because it's loaded.
Another analogy is a baseball player on steroids.
You can't say any particular homerun is due to the steriods.
But you know he can hit more homeruns, due to the steroids.
(assuming he keeps the same skills)
So there's probably some of the global warming element, in all the weather these days.
Man-made "climate change" is the most ridiculous farce since the flat-earth theory. Do a little geologic history. Climates have changed throughout time, sometimes dramatically. Get over it. If you ever want to do something right, just do the opposite of what the environmentalist says to do. They squawked about how bad nuclear power was in the 70s, so we (moronically) listened to them and stopped building. 30 years later, they (environmentalists) were saying "oops, we got it wrong, nuclear good." Five years ago they said "Ethanol good." So we (moronically) listened to them and screwed up the food supply chain by using corn in a less than optimal way as they applauded. In the 70s they were oh so worried about the ice age returning. Fortunately for us, the climate changed before they could get everyone doing asinine things to combat global cooling. Now, they are the ones we are supposed to listen to?
You have repeated about 6 falsehoods in one paragraph
Skeptic Argument:
Scientists in the 1970s were predicting global cooling. Why should we believe their warnings of global warming?
Answer: FALSE
Global Cooling in the 70s was NOT the issue.
7 scientific papers predicted cooling.
44 scientific papers predicting global warming - AGW.
So there were 6 times as many scientific papers predicting global warming as there were for global cooling in the 1970s.
But the popular mass media got hold of the cooling story and publicized it.
Newsweek maybe.
There was some concern that aerosols like sulpher oxides, which are emitted when fossil fuels are burned, would cause cooling. These pollutants block out incoming sunshine. Starting in the 1970s, we have reduced our aerosol emissions due to environmental laws designed to reduce smog and acid rain.
The aerosols were masking some of the warming from greenhouse gases.
CO2 stays in the atmosphere for centuries. Aerosols only a few years.
We are still producing aerosol emissions, when burning fossil fuels.
To a certain extent, these aerosols are still masking the stronger warming effect of greenhouse gases.
The 2007 IPCC report was based on over 10,000 research papers, and there have been thousands more since then.
Compare that with 7 papers from 35 years ago
Corn based ethanol is not an idea from environmentalists, but from big corporations like Big Ag, oil companies and those industries that sell chemical fertilizers and pesticides.
Panther Hunter, you have no shame. You are dishonest and a hypocrite. See the previous page of this thread for more detail.
I have to admit Slick Rick, you are an eloquent liar and distorter of fact!
As for you "normal", you're just an idiot.
Panther: "Climates have changed throughout time, sometimes dramatically."
Yes they have, as all climate scientists are well aware. But you fail to explain why you think that is relevant to the current debate. How does it tell us anything about whether humans can affect the climate ALSO?
panther hunter, ethanol was the brainchild (and I use that term loosely) of the Bush Administration and was mandated at the end of his first term that 8% of the fuel production had to be ethanol and/or biodiesel based. that number continues to go up, to offset oil imports.
other alternatives for ethanol production included switchgrass, sugar cane, etc. but to bring the Agribusiness consortiums into the picture, they decided to use existing products, corn and soybeans and take away from the human consumption inventories. this drove prices of corn and soybeans up, even as record acreage and harvests abounded. the government has subsidized both corn and ethanol producers, even with corn and soybean prices at record highs for the past 5 years. so essentially, both ag and energy businesses have been triple dipping by getting the highest prices for their commodity products, charging higher fuel prices and getting subsidized by the taxpayers. in the rush to jump on this bandwagon, producers of wheat, beans, other grains, etc. have switched their acreage to corn and soy because they represent bigger cash crops. So you end up paying higher prices for other agricultural products, including beef, poultry, pork, dairy, cheese and butter. Currently, the US is selling excess ethanol inventories overseas making even more money for the energy companies and receiving subsidies for energy export sales. However, there has been no cutback in ethanol production in the US to match domestic usage and thereby increasing inventories of feedcorn and soybeans for food which would lower overall food prices and reduce taxpayer subsidies to both ag and energy companies. But the Koch brothers, specifically, would not stand for this. And let's face it, they are the voice of the electorate.
This is just for you Slick Rick the Habitual Liar & "Normal Person" the Retard ...
Scientists in this section have made comments that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.
Yes, you have found and pasted a bunch of quotes carefully chosen to support your point of view. I can fins 100 times as many that support the other way. So? Science is not about dueling quotes. it is about logic and the weight of evidence. Overall, that is on the side of AGW. Are there still observations that need to be explained? Of course. But calling people idiots is not legitimate scientiifc debate.
”Rather than say, ‘Is this because of climate change?’ That’s the wrong question. What you can say is, ‘How likely is this to have occurred with the absence of global warming?’ It’s so extraordinarily unlikely that it has to be due to global warming,” Climate scientist Andrew Weaver said
"Extremely hot temperatures covered about 0.1 percent to 0.2 percent of the globe in the base period of our study, from 1951 to 1980. In the last three decades, while the average temperature has slowly risen, the extremes have soared and now cover about 10 percent of the globe." - Hansen
{from Climate Progress}
In the last decade, high temperature records in the U.S. outnumbered low temperature records by a 2-1 margin.
This would not occur under normal circumstances, where you would expect about equal numbers.
Yeah, and you've got quantifiable empirical data from the last few hundred million years to support your hypothesis, right Jethro?
Panther Hunter, you have no shame. You are dishonest and a hypocrite. See the previous page of this thread for more detail.
Panther, Tick's comment was not about the last few hundred million years, so why do ypu bring it up? Climate scientists understand better than you do about the empircal data for the last few hundred million years. That is one way they learn how the climate worls, and can therefore predict anthropogenic climate change. It is really quite interesting. Perhaps you should check it out sometime, rather than insulting people who know more than you do.
"Just Normal"...
All you have done here is yammer mindlessly about something you know absolutely nothing about while posting the possibilities and postulations of a couple of people in the scientific community ... you are nothing more than a boor.
"Jock"...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... "that is one way they know how the climate works" ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... THESE LOONS CAN'T EVEN GET THEIR FACTS STRAIGHT ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE CLIMATE RIGHT NOW, let alone for multiple decades and ESPECIALLY not for millions of years ... jeez, surely you are joking.
Also, you must have overlooked this part of rick's post ... "This would not occur under normal circumstances, where you would expect about equal numbers" ... one would have to have the data going back quite some time (millions of years) to be able to say what "normal" is ... try and keep up pal.
Panther: "All you have done here is yammer mindlessly about something you know absolutely nothing about while posting the possibilities and postulations of a couple of people in the scientific community ..."
Since that is exactly what you do, what is the difference?
Panther - By "normal," Rick was clearly referring to the null hypothesis of no current trend. What happened millions of years ago is irrelevant to that hypothesis.
Panther Hunter You are a useful tool.
You know less than nothing about the science, yet spout off standard denier myths, with willful ignorance.
Global warming is NOT just a natural warming like the earth always goes through.
There has never before been a large species on Earth, 7 billion strong, burning fossil fuels and speeding up the natural short term carbon cycle.
( 20% of human caused emissions are from land use impacts. )
In the short term (or active) carbon cycle, carbon cycles through the atmosphere, water, top soil, and living things. We are made of carbon compounds.
This cycle has been in a kind of balance or equilibrium for at least the last 10,000 years, and maybe as long as humans have been on earth.
That balance made possible the Holocene, during which agriculture and civilization emerged in a fairly benign climate regime. Carbon effects all life, the climate, geology, the chemistry of the oceans.
(the Holocene is the epoch since the last ice age about 11,000 years ago)
Have you heard of clean coal technology? It's called carbon capture and sequestration. The idea is to capture CO2 from power plants and pump it deep underground to sequester it. In other words, take it out of circulation, take it out of the short term carbon cyle.
Nature has done a kind of carbon sequestration. The carbon from former living things gets deposited underground, where after many tens of millions of years, it becomes coal. This locks it out of the short term carbon cycle, helping keep it in a balance that has made life, as we know it, possible
.
We are now taking maybe 65 million years of coal, burning it, and releasing all that carbon back into the active carbon cycle, in a few human lifetimes. That's a blink of an eye in geological time scales.
So carbon from fossil fuel emissions are ON TOP OF the normal carbon that naturally cycles through the carbon cycle.
That is Not just a natural cycle that the earth is going through.
In the natural carbon cycle, nature adds and removes carbon from the carbon cycle through natural processes. Humans are adding 30 billion tons of CO2, or about 8 billion tons of carbon, to the atmosphere and the oceans every year.
And we are not removing any. That overwhelms the natural systems ability to keep the carbon cycle in balance.
So, what you're saying is you hate plant food ... is that about right Goober?
Panther Hunter, you have no shame. You are dishonest and a hypocrite. See the previous page of this thread for more detail.
Yyyyaaaaaaawwwwnn ... why don't you go back and read the previous page dummy.
How does the 1936 heatwave figure into all "global warming" nutjobs theories? Anything?
And, the largest contributor of CO2 is evaporation from the world's oceans.
Sssshhhhhhh, you're going to scare all the lemmings away, they oceans and they really hate plant food!!
Sure STAN, and trees cause more pollution than any man made toxins. That's according to your poster boy, Ronny Ray Gun. LOL Do yourself a favor and seriously consider a brain transplant.
Panther Hunter, you have no shame. You are dishonest and a hypocrite. See the previous page of this thread for more detail.
stanboy, CO2 does not "evaporate," and the oceans are currently a net sink for carbon dioxide.
The 1936 heatwave was a heatwave and says very little about global warming. Nobody has ever claimed it hasn't been warm before.
And, PRESTO! It's warm again.
stanboy, it will be warm and cold many times, from now until eternity. And that will be true whether or not the climate is changing, or why.
It was good for my golf game. The ball flys further in warm weather, rolls farther on the hard ground,
but BOY, AM I THURSTY................
Deniers keep spouting nonsense about extreme solar activity, not even understanding the basics, like that the Sun is just on the upward slope of it's 11 year solar cycle.
Skeptic argument: the Sun causing global warming.
Answer: FALSE
The science of the greenhouse gas effect says that we would expect to see warming of the troposphere and cooling of the stratosphere.
That is exactly what has been observed.
If the sun was the cause of the warming, we would expect to see both layers of the atmosphere heat up.
If the sun was the cause of the warming, the largest temperature anomalies, would happen during the daytime.
But what is being observed is more warm anomalies at night, which is what should happen if greenhouse gases are causing warming.
(an anomaly is a deviation from the norm)
In other words nights are warming faster than days are.
At night, the earth radiates long wave thermal radiation out into space, releasing some of the heat absorbed during the day. That's why dew forms more on clear nights. CO2 keeps the heat from radiating into space. Warmer nights is another signature of the greenhouse gas effect.
The sun has been quiet since the 1970s, very quiet.
We are also just coming out of a hundred year solar minimum that started about 2008.
Yet we just had the warmest year on record in 2010
We just had the warmest decade on record.
2011 was the 10th warmest on record. It was cooled by the La Nina event.
2011 was the warmest year on record with a La Nina event.
Sailguy, Would'nt it be great if you were even 10% as important as you think you are. You keep us poor, unwashed absolutely spellbound.
stan, I fail to see how your insults are in any way relevant to the scientific arguments that Rick is making.
There are no scientific facts in Rick's post but there are several out and out lies ... jeez.
Panther, you have no idea whether anything Rick said is true or not. You assume they are lies because you don't want them to be true. Science doesn't work that way.
Just as Barry Hussein and his handlers rely on the ignorance of his base to further their agenda, Barry, Gore and Goldman Sachs, as well as their global operatives, demand the ignorance of the average person to further their global warming / carbon credit platform.
There are literally trillions of dollars at stake and you can rest assured this assault on he world's citizenry will not stop ...
Your comment is completely idiotic.
Al Gore has NOTHING to do with the science.
As soon as you see a comment from a so called skeptic, that contains the words - Al Gore, be assured that they have no clue what they are talking about.
Al Gore has nothing to do with it.
Climate scientists don't work for him
Climate scientists don't work with him
Climate scientists also do not work for the IPCC
And they are not paid by the IPCC or the UN
Some volunteer their time to the IPCC, on top of their day jobs doing the research at academic and government research centers that have NOTHING to do with the IPCC.
I know you think this is all a political conspiracy, so I understand your anger. But you are going to learn eventually that the science is real.
Panther Hunter, you have no shame. You are dishonest and a hypocrite. See the previous page of this thread for more detail.
Slick Rick,
You apparently know absolutely nothing about anything I said but thanks for the rant, I think it's cute!
Jock,
It's not a conspiracy genius, you obviously know about as much as Rick does on the matter ... no worries, I completely understand, I have been coming around here for 3-4 weeks now and know all too well the types of uninformed and uneducated lemmings that frequent the MSNBC Psyche Ward.
Normal,
You're an idiot ...
It's amazing how "hot" it's gotten in the last 50 years since the long-term temperature stations have been surrounded by asphalt and concrete heat sinks as urban areas expand, or they've been moved to airports in between tarmac runways.
According to a scientific study, this can account for over half of the warming.
Many of the "record highs" have been at airports. Go figure.
The conclusion is the same after the heat island effect is controlled for, and the predciton of AGW is not based on temperature observations anyway.
The greenhouse effect has been understood for over a century.
the greenhouse gas effect was first proposed by Joseph Fourier in 1824, proven by John Tyndall in 1858, and was first quantified by Svante Arrhenius ~1896.
Fourier calculates colder earth without an atmosphere (1824)
Tyndall discovers relationship between CO2 and long-wave radiation (1859)
Arrhenius calculates global warming from anthropogenic CO2 (1896)
Chamberlin models global carbon exchange including feedbacks (1897)
Callendar predicts global warming increase catalysed by CO2 emissions (1938)
Revelle predicts inability of oceans to sequester anthropogenic CO2 (1958)
from "The Discovery of Global Warming" by Spencer Weart
Arrhnenius' estimate, for how much warming to expect from a doubling of CO2 concentration in the atmosphere, was very close to today's estimates, which have 100 more years of research to rely on.
But for Rush Limbaugh, the Republicans congress and tea party, Global Warming is just an agenda cooked up by Al Gore and other liberals.
Over 100 professional science organizations with international standing - have all issued statements saying - AGW science is certain, and that we must act immediately to reduce greenhouse gas emssions.
This includes every national academy of science in the world.
The U.S. National Academy of Science has issued four such statements.
The prestigious science journal, Nature, issued a statement this year, lambasting the GOP for it's anti science position, especially on climate change.
Here are the only two professional science organizations in the world - that deny global warming and the science.
American Association of Petroleum Geologists
Canadian Association of Petroleum Geologists
Thats all!
Do you find that surprising?
These are the only two that the GOP agrees with.
And the oil industry gives 80% of political donations to GOP.
The coal industry gives 90% of political donations to GOP.
RICK, Don't you know that all the people you mention are "elitist" University types, what the hell would they know. Now Joe, who I met at my local bar tells me it's all a lot of bunk and there's nothing to worry about. I'm going with Joe's say so, that's good enough for me.
Besides, who the hell are you going to believe, the Koch Brothers or your lying eyes???
I showed you the impressive list of professional scientific organizations in the world, that deny global warming, and that most GOP politicians agree with.
Here's the list again
American Association of Petroleum Geologists
Canadian Associations of Petroleum Geologists
That's the whole list
The following scientific organizations support the findings of the IPCC. The reason I list the National Academy of Sciences first, is because they are like the Supreme Court of science in America. They decide what is real science and what is junk science.
There are at least 30 more organizations of national or international standing not listed here.
National Academy of Sciences (U.S.)
NASA
Woods Hole Resesarch Center
US Geological Survey (USGS)
National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS)
American Association of State Climatologists
Federal Climate Change Science Program, 2006 (the study authorized by the Bush administration, and then Edited by a Petroleum Institute lawyer under the Bush administration, to water it down)
American Chemical Society - (world's largest scientific organization with over 155,000 members)
Geological Society of America
American Geophysical Union (AGU)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
American Association of State Climatologists
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
American Astronomical Society
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society (AMS)
American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)
Stratigraphy Commission - Geological Society of London - (The world's oldest and the United Kingdom's largest geoscience organization)
British Antarctic Survey
Australian Bureau of Meteorology and the CSIRO
Australian Coral Reef Society
Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Royal Society, United Kingdom
Russian Academy of Sciences
Royal Society of Canada
Science Council of Japan
Australian Academy of Sciences
Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
Caribbean Academy of Sciences
French Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Royal Irish Academy
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei (Italy)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Union of Concerned Scientists
The Institution of Engineers Australia
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS)
National Research Council
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospherice Sciences
World Meteorological Organization
State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC)
International Council on Science
American Physical Society (APS)
Australian Institute of Physics (AIP
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies (FASTS
Polish Academy of Sciences (PAN)
Network of African Science Academies
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences (CAETS
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
InterAcademy Council (IAC)
International Arctic Science Committee
Arctic Council
European Federation of Geologists (EFG)
European Geosciences Union (EGU)
Geological Society of Australia
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
National Association of Geoscience Teachers (NAGT
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
American Quaternary Association (AMQUA
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians (AAWV
American Society for Microbiology
Institute of Biology (UK)
Society of American Foresters (SAF
"Slick Rick the Habitual Liar"
Scientists in this section have made comments that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.
This is just for you Slick Rick the Habitual Liar & "Normal Person" the Retard ...
Scientists in this section have made comments that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.
So called skeptics will tell you about large lists of scientists who are skeptical of AGW. Every one of those lists is padded and laughable.
Answer: FALSE
Senator Inhofe (R-Oklahoma) has stood up on the senate floor with a list of over 400 "prominent scientists" who were skeptical of the theory of man made global warming, or anthropogenic global warming(AGW).
Senator Inhofe's list of 413 skeptics included:
20 economists
49 who are retired
44 television weathermen
70 scientists with no expertise in climate study
84 scientists who are either connected with the oil industry or are paid by it.
Scientists who were included against their will, and who agree with the IPCC
TV weathermen are NOT climate scientists
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Then there is the phony Oregon Petition, supposedly signed by 31,000 scientists who disagree with AGW theory. In reality, their only requirement for inclusion on this list was a bachelor degree in any field of science or engineering. Absurd, but here are the results.
Lets see how their numbers compare with the general population of scientists, using their own parameters for inclusion.
Total number of scientists in the United States 12,944,000
Number of scientists who signed the Oregon petition 31,486 or 0.24% of the total
Thats right, the Oregon Petition signers are less than one quarter of one percent of the number of scientists in the U.S., which isn't much to brag about. Being generous, maybe 150 are actually climate scientists. which is 0.3% of the 50,000 members of the American Geophysical Union (AGU) in Europe and the U.S.
You will find large numbers of petroleum geologists and engineers on these lists.
99.9% of those on this list are NOT climate scientists
RICK, you can also inform our dear friends on the Right that up until a couple of years ago, their nominee, Willard the Weathervane acknowledged that Climate Change is real
"Slick Rick the Habitual Liar"
Scientists in this section have made comments that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.
This is just for you Slick Rick the Habitual Liar & "Normal Person" the Retard ...
Scientists in this section have made comments that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.
Here's another false skeptic argument that was once again proven false just recently. And it was a study funded by the Koch brothers and promoted by Anthony Watts, chief misinformer at WUWT website.
Except it backfired on them, because when it proved they were wrong, they denied their own study. Too bad for them, the scientist, Muller, who did the study was an actual skeptic - someone who changes their mind when shown the evidence. That's not something deniers like Watson ever do.
Skeptic Argument:
Poor Temperature Station Quality?
Anthony Watts' favorite argument, claiming that effects like Urban Heat Island and poor temp measuring stations were biasing surface temperature readings toward warming.
Answer: FALSE
NOAA studied this and found no bias toward warming. In fact, they found a very slight bias toward cooler temp readings.
New BEST study at Berkeley Universtiy, also called the Muller report, did another study for skeptics -Anthony Watts etc, and funded by the Koch brothers. To their dismay, it had the same conclusion as the study by NOAA -No warming bias. Watts has been going on about this for years.
Anthony Watts said he would abide by whatever the BEST study found. (after all it was their baby)
He has done nothing of the kind, and is now attacking the study and Muller. Muller was obviously something of a true skeptic, because he changed his mind when his own study contradicted his thinking. Deniers don't do that.
What we want to know is if it's getting warmer. What is the trend? So even a biased thermometer would show a trend over time, which is what they do. The same trend as the world average shows. So Watt's argument is an empty one anyway.
If you think you are getting good science information at WUWT, you are deceived.
This is just for you Slick Rick the Habitual Liar & "Normal Person" the Retard ...
Scientists in this section have made comments that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.
Skeptic Argument:
It's volcanoes causing global warming
Answer: FALSE
On average, Man releases at least 100 times more greenhouse gases than volcanoes do. Volcanoes are also big emitters of sulpher oxides, which cause cooling. Scientists had a good chance to study the effects of volcanoes when the large eruption in the Phillipines happened in the 90s.
Scientists can distinguish between carbon from humans burning fossil fuels and carbon from volcanoes, or other natural sources. The carbon in the gases, released when fossil fuels are burned, is a different carbon isotope than the carbon from those other sources.