July is hottest month on record; drought expands to 63 percent of United States

More than half of the country experienced "moderate to exceptional" drought conditions at the end of July, the hottest month ever recorded. And the impact of this hot weather has been felt across the nation as crops shrivel and wildfires rage out of control. NBC's Rehema Ellis reports.

It may come as little surprise with this summer's sweaty nights and blistering days across much of the country, but July marked the hottest month on record for the contiguous United States, according to government scientists. Furthermore, drought now covers nearly 63 percent of the Lower 48 states, where average precipitation is 0.19 inch below average.

A bit of hope, though, was seen for some crops in the Midwest thanks to cooler temperatures and rain.


According to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the average temperature across the contiguous United States in July was 77.6 Fahrenheit, a full 3.3 degrees above the 20th century average.

The previous warmest July was in 1936, when the nation's average temperature was 77.4 degrees.

The hot July contributed to a record-warm first seven months of the year and the warmest 12-month period the nation has experienced since accurate record keeping started in 1895.

Virginia experienced its warmest July on record, with a statewide temperature a whopping 4 F above average. In all, 32 states had July temperatures among its 10 warmest, with seven states having their second warmest July on record.

While heat and extreme events such as drought and wildfires are often associated with global warming and climate change, it's unclear if the latest pattern is part of a much larger trend. 

Related: Drought socks crops despite recent showers 

"These events are kind of what we'd expect with climate change, we'd expect expanding drought, we'd expect warm, record breaking temperatures," Jake Crouch, a NOAA climate scientist, told NBC News. "But it's kind of hard to pinpoint this month or past several months as a telltale sign that climate change is happening. The drought is more of a local factor and isn't necessarily driven by large scale climate change, but is impacting local temperatures. But we've also seen an increase in U.S. temperatures overall."

Still, there's no doubt this summer is taking a human toll, with warmer nights making it difficult for some people to sleep, and causing physical stress, Crouch said.

And the drought rollls on, with drier-than-average conditions continuing across the Central Plains and Midwest. Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, and Missouri had July precipitation totals ranking among their 10 driest.

Some rain and cooler temperatures in the drought-stricken Midwest, however, are expected to provide relief for late-season soybeans, but the change in the weather is arriving too late to help the already severely damaged corn crop, an agricultural meteorologist said on Wednesday. 

"It's definitely better than what we've had but I'd be hesitant to call it a drought-buster. Longer-term outlooks still look like a return to warm and dry," said Jason Nicholls, meteorologist for AccuWeather. 

Related: Blame blistering heat waves on global warming, study says

Nicholls said up to three-quarters of an inch of rain, with locally heavier amounts, was expected in roughly 75 percent of the Midwest from Wednesday through Friday morning, and a similar weather system is expected next week.

Though the heat can be uncomfortable, not everyone is complaining. “The heat is definitely a blessing for us after coming off the warm, dry winter without a lot of weather events,” Alan Ayers, general manager at Crisafulli Brothers Plumbing and Heating Contractors in Albany, told The Associated Press.

The 73-year-old company has seen an 18 percent increase in new air conditioner installations over last year and has its 16 technicians working long hours to install, replace and repair units taxed by the swelter.

A storm pattern in the Southwest contributed to California's fifth wettest July on record and Nevada experiencing its eighth wettest, NOAA said. Wetter-than-average conditions were also reported through the rest of the Southwest, along the western Gulf Coast, and through the Ohio Valley where West Virginia had its tenth wettest July.

The warm and dry conditions over a large swath of the United States were seen as ideal wildfire conditions, NOAA said. More than 2 million acres burned nationwide in July because of wildfires. That is nearly half a million acres above average, and the fourth most on record since 2000.

Over the weekend the fires that burned across the state damaged nearly 94,000 acres and on Monday a body was found in a Norman home. NBC's Gabe Gutierrez reports.

The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.

 

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What's sad about all this discussion is how ignorant most people actually are....just look at the cnn.com story on this subject....the "highlights" box says July beat the 1936 record by 3 degrees. That is not what happened at all...2/10th of a degree for July....3 degrees is in relation to the average for the 20th century. cnn.com must hire morons that can't read or understand anything....then mis-state the facts for the masses on their website....how can we have a discussion about this subject when the people doing the talking are idiots.....

    Reply#141 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:42 PM EDT

    The leftist half-wits are so mentally unsound they think the the United States is the entire planet and that the term "on record" is the equivalent of the entire history of the planet ... it's almost too funny for words!

    All the while, the global ice caps have increased in size by some 400,000 square miles over the last 5 years, Alaska is having one of it's coldest summers ever and the polar bear population is increasing ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... idiots ... tooooooo funny!

      Reply#142 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:42 PM EDT

      Some research suggests that the changes in Antarctic sea ice—both where it is increasing and where it is decreasing—are caused in part by a strengthening of the westerly winds that flow unhindered in a circle above the Southern Ocean. “Antarctic sea ice is governed more by wind than by temperature,” said NSIDC lead scientist Ted Scambos. “The effects of climate change play out differently in the southern hemisphere than the northern hemisphere.”

      Scientists say that this westerly wind pattern has grown stronger in recent years as a result of climate change. However, because Antarctic sea ice is so vulnerable to the changes in both the atmosphere and ocean, researchers are also looking at other climate patterns, such as the high latitude response to El Niño-Southern Oscillation, as well as the effects of changing ocean temperature and circulation, to understand how Antarctic sea ice is changing.

      Stammerjohn and other scientists say that declining sea ice around the Antarctic Peninsula probably helps destabilize continental ice in that area by allowing the air above the ocean in that region to warm more than before. These continental ice areas are shrinking and therefore contributing to sea level rise. Stammerjohn said, “Though it is true that, on average, Antarctic sea ice is not changing, or even slightly increasing, the overall average hides a very large regional decrease that could have global consequences.”

      PantherHunter, why do you only provide the isolated facts that support your denial but ignore the vast amount of facts that support global warming? Are you ever embarassed by your dishonesty?

        #142.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:55 PM EDT

        Panther, cherry-picking data does not change decades of scientific research by hundreds of climatologists around the globe. CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and adding itt to the atmpsphere will warm the climate. Politics has nothing to do with it.

          #142.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:56 PM EDT

          Ah, yes. Panther. Another guy who comments without reading the articles. He knows what it says. Doesn't have to actually read it.

            #142.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:57 PM EDT

            Not to mention that the Antartic sea ice is an annual event but Arctic is the one that stays frozen, although changing in size seasonally.

            And the northern ice cap is shrinking not expanding.

            Panther is just wrong on many levels.

              #142.4 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:59 PM EDT

              What article?!

                #142.5 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:02 PM EDT

                Panther, are you ever embarassed by your dishonesty?

                  #142.6 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:05 PM EDT

                  It appears that Panther Hunter has slunk away now that his dishonesty has been exposed.

                    #142.7 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:12 PM EDT

                    Facts are not dishonest Goober but if I were to include your hypothesis and propaganda with the facts I have posted then those facts would no longer be facts but dilutions filled with lots of probably(s) and possibly(s) and you and your propagandist buddies already have that angle covered ... I'll stick with what has ALREADY been proven until such time there is quantifiable refuting data.

                      #142.8 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:14 PM EDT

                      Panther Hunter, you have no shame. On the previous page of this thread you referenced the US National Snow and Ice Data Center as the source for your claim that anarctic sea ice is increasing. Yet you obviously never actually read the article. Here is a quote from the article you referenced:

                      Some research suggests that the changes in Antarctic sea ice—both where it is increasing and where it is decreasing—are caused in part by a strengthening of the westerly winds that flow unhindered in a circle above the Southern Ocean. "Antarctic sea ice is governed more by wind than by temperature," said NSIDC lead scientist Ted Scambos. "The effects of climate change play out differently in the southern hemisphere than the northern hemisphere."

                      Scientists say that this westerly wind pattern has grown stronger in recent years as a result of climate change. However, because Antarctic sea ice is so vulnerable to the changes in both the atmosphere and ocean, researchers are also looking at other climate patterns, such as the high latitude response to El Niño-Southern Oscillation, as well as the effects of changing ocean temperature and circulation, to understand how Antarctic sea ice is changing.

                      Stammerjohn and other scientists say that declining sea ice around the Antarctic Peninsula probably helps destabilize continental ice in that area by allowing the air above the ocean in that region to warm more than before. These continental ice areas are shrinking and therefore contributing to sea level rise. Stammerjohn said, "Though it is true that, on average, Antarctic sea ice is not changing, or even slightly increasing, the overall average hides a very large regional decrease that could have global consequences."

                      You quote isolated facts that you pretend prove global warming does not exist yet do not actually read the article itself. You ignored vast quantity of facts that proves global warming. You deny those.

                      I suppose you get your information from Fox News or other propaganda outlets rather than read real scientific articles. You are the one with an agenda and you are dishonest and a hypocrite. You revel in your dishonest ignorance.

                        #142.9 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:31 PM EDT

                        Here you go again posting these long drawn out scientific opinions while I simply state quantifiable data points ... you're a sad little man dummy.

                        Good luck with all of your guessing, assumptions and hypothications, hopefully you will never be put to task over them, for your sake.

                        Also liar, I never said global warming does not exist and FOX News is not in the science business, they are a mere news outlet ... way to stay on point with your obvious agenda though dummy!!

                          #142.10 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:54 PM EDT

                          Panther, LOL, I love how everything anyone else says is opinion whereas everything you say is fact.

                            #142.11 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:00 PM EDT
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                            Decemboer 21, 2012 world will change as we know it! polar shift and the magnetic field stock up and buy your supplies now..........:)

                              Reply#144 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:43 PM EDT

                              I kept seeing this dramatic headline, but noticed no one mentioned how much hotter it was, so I went looking.

                              I found it. 0.2 degreees

                                Reply#145 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:44 PM EDT

                                The "Dust Bowl" of the 1930's had similarly high temps across the mid west and west with temps in the 112 range for months causing massive droughts. It's cyclical!!!

                                  Reply#146 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:44 PM EDT

                                  Yes it did, but that does not change the fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and adding it to the atmosphere will increase the greenouse effect.

                                    #146.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:48 PM EDT

                                    Unsubstantiated speculation!!! The earth has a way of healing itself from it's pesky mites called humans.

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                                    #146.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:49 PM EDT

                                    So all the climate scientists are wrong. Got it.

                                      #146.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:50 PM EDT

                                      I just love guys like you who are smarter than all the world's leading scientists and climatologists.

                                      If you went to 3 or 4 leading specialists for a physical ailment and they all told you that needed an operation would you ignore their opinions because some drunk sitting next to you at a bar said it was all a lot of jive? Cause that's about how much sense you and your crowd are making. Your good old "common sense" trumps anything all those "elititist experts" have to say.

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                                      #146.4 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:52 PM EDT

                                      We have known that CO2 is a greenhouse gas for over 150 years. It is not speculation. it is physics.

                                        #146.5 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:53 PM EDT

                                        "Unsubstantiated speculation!!! The earth has a way of healing itself from it's pesky mites called humans."

                                        Really, and just how many times in history has man changed the climatology of the planet and the earth healed itself ?

                                        And how do you think it will heal itself this time ?

                                          #146.6 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:55 PM EDT

                                          All of you need to speak slower, I'm not fluent in idiot!

                                            #146.7 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:48 PM EDT
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                                            Couldn't have said it better myself!

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                                            Reply#147 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:47 PM EDT

                                            Will someone please let Sean Hannity know that global warming is for real. All he has to do is check the record breaking temps in all his Red States for verification. And the 40% reduction of Greenland icesheets for backup.

                                            Oh, and by the way, no federal aid to these states until the Dem. tax plan is voted on. Isn't that what the GOP asked for to provide aid for Colorado fire victims?

                                              Reply#148 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:51 PM EDT
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                                              When the Deniers can't cite facts to back up their fact-less claims they resort to minimizing the impact of GW by making light of it. I can't help but to wonder what these same imbeciles say to a cop when their stopped for speeding on a lonely country road with no other traffic around to blame. Just the facts....just the facts.

                                                Reply#153 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:08 PM EDT
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                                                Here we go again, all you republican voting,fox watching, rightwing,bible thumping,we're in the end times preaching.gonna vote for romney, people. What has to happen for you inbread idiot's to believe that GLOBAL WARMING is for real? Are 99.99% of climitoligst wrong? How stupid can people be? Do you not know what the diffiffition of insanity is? Doing the same thing over and over again, the same way,and expecting a different result! You see wierd weather taking place all over the planet and say it couldn't be because the human race is poisioning the planet, we are way over populated and this is GOD'S plan for humanity! WHY? What just God would place humanity on a garden of eden planet,only to watch them destroy it for it's own amusment? No god that I would worship!The god i worship is kind ,caring,loves his children,as i love mine. However, it is a tollarent god,one that expecepts his children to use the intellengence bestoed on them to respect the planet it gave them. To treat their brother's and sister's as they would treat themselves. To use the resources it has given them,like the sun and the wind and the water and fire to provide for all. My god tell's me that all humanity is my responsibility and i'm theirs. My god tell's me that for a richman to get into the next life, is almost impossible! It say's that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. It also tell's me that the love of money is the root of all evil!That would rule out willard,look's like he's on a highway to hell. The reason i call my god, it,pure energy has no gender,and being the allmighty is pure energy. Back to taking care of what has been given to us, Do it,or suffer the consiquences! My God has spoken!

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                                                Reply#156 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:13 PM EDT

                                                Spell-check is a Good thing Jethro and yes, there are many places around the globe that are colder than normal ... hopefully those that inhabit those regions won't freeze to death.

                                                  #156.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:46 PM EDT
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                                                  In regard to whether global warming is "causing" extreme weather events.

                                                  A better explanation is that global warming plays a part in weather in general now.

                                                  Warmer sea water
                                                  Warmer air.

                                                  More moisture in the air, because warm air holds more moisture.
                                                  1 degree increase in atmospheric temperature increases moisture by 4%
                                                  Which is about what it is now.

                                                  Just common sense would suggest that storms would be more powerful, rainfall and snowfall bigger, floods bigger, etc. (Dry areas are likely to get drier though, meaning extended droughts in those areas, like the U.S. southwest.)

                                                  A few analogies are -

                                                  Loaded dice. If a die is loaded, you could not say that if a 6 came up, it's because it's loaded.
                                                  But you know there is more likelihood of a 6 coming up, because it's loaded.

                                                  Another analogy is a baseball player on steroids.

                                                  You can't say any particular homerun is due to the steriods.
                                                  But you know he can hit more homeruns, due to the steroids.

                                                  (assuming he keeps the same skills)

                                                  So there's probably some of the global warming element, in all the weather these days.

                                                    Reply#160 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:16 PM EDT
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                                                    Man-made "climate change" is the most ridiculous farce since the flat-earth theory. Do a little geologic history. Climates have changed throughout time, sometimes dramatically. Get over it. If you ever want to do something right, just do the opposite of what the environmentalist says to do. They squawked about how bad nuclear power was in the 70s, so we (moronically) listened to them and stopped building. 30 years later, they (environmentalists) were saying "oops, we got it wrong, nuclear good." Five years ago they said "Ethanol good." So we (moronically) listened to them and screwed up the food supply chain by using corn in a less than optimal way as they applauded. In the 70s they were oh so worried about the ice age returning. Fortunately for us, the climate changed before they could get everyone doing asinine things to combat global cooling. Now, they are the ones we are supposed to listen to?

                                                      Reply#162 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:18 PM EDT

                                                      You have repeated about 6 falsehoods in one paragraph

                                                      Skeptic Argument:
                                                      Scientists in the 1970s were predicting global cooling. Why should we believe their warnings of global warming?

                                                      Answer: FALSE
                                                      Global Cooling in the 70s was NOT the issue.

                                                      7 scientific papers predicted cooling.
                                                      44 scientific papers predicting global warming - AGW.

                                                      So there were 6 times as many scientific papers predicting global warming as there were for global cooling in the 1970s.

                                                      But the popular mass media got hold of the cooling story and publicized it.
                                                      Newsweek maybe.

                                                      There was some concern that aerosols like sulpher oxides, which are emitted when fossil fuels are burned, would cause cooling. These pollutants block out incoming sunshine. Starting in the 1970s, we have reduced our aerosol emissions due to environmental laws designed to reduce smog and acid rain.

                                                      The aerosols were masking some of the warming from greenhouse gases.
                                                      CO2 stays in the atmosphere for centuries. Aerosols only a few years.
                                                      We are still producing aerosol emissions, when burning fossil fuels.

                                                      To a certain extent, these aerosols are still masking the stronger warming effect of greenhouse gases.

                                                      The 2007 IPCC report was based on over 10,000 research papers, and there have been thousands more since then.

                                                      Compare that with 7 papers from 35 years ago

                                                        #162.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:31 PM EDT

                                                        Corn based ethanol is not an idea from environmentalists, but from big corporations like Big Ag, oil companies and those industries that sell chemical fertilizers and pesticides.

                                                          #162.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:33 PM EDT

                                                          Panther Hunter, you have no shame. You are dishonest and a hypocrite. See the previous page of this thread for more detail.

                                                            #162.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:38 PM EDT

                                                            I have to admit Slick Rick, you are an eloquent liar and distorter of fact!

                                                            As for you "normal", you're just an idiot.

                                                              #162.4 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:39 PM EDT

                                                              Panther: "Climates have changed throughout time, sometimes dramatically."

                                                              Yes they have, as all climate scientists are well aware. But you fail to explain why you think that is relevant to the current debate. How does it tell us anything about whether humans can affect the climate ALSO?

                                                                #162.5 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:47 PM EDT

                                                                panther hunter, ethanol was the brainchild (and I use that term loosely) of the Bush Administration and was mandated at the end of his first term that 8% of the fuel production had to be ethanol and/or biodiesel based. that number continues to go up, to offset oil imports.

                                                                other alternatives for ethanol production included switchgrass, sugar cane, etc. but to bring the Agribusiness consortiums into the picture, they decided to use existing products, corn and soybeans and take away from the human consumption inventories. this drove prices of corn and soybeans up, even as record acreage and harvests abounded. the government has subsidized both corn and ethanol producers, even with corn and soybean prices at record highs for the past 5 years. so essentially, both ag and energy businesses have been triple dipping by getting the highest prices for their commodity products, charging higher fuel prices and getting subsidized by the taxpayers. in the rush to jump on this bandwagon, producers of wheat, beans, other grains, etc. have switched their acreage to corn and soy because they represent bigger cash crops. So you end up paying higher prices for other agricultural products, including beef, poultry, pork, dairy, cheese and butter. Currently, the US is selling excess ethanol inventories overseas making even more money for the energy companies and receiving subsidies for energy export sales. However, there has been no cutback in ethanol production in the US to match domestic usage and thereby increasing inventories of feedcorn and soybeans for food which would lower overall food prices and reduce taxpayer subsidies to both ag and energy companies. But the Koch brothers, specifically, would not stand for this. And let's face it, they are the voice of the electorate.

                                                                  #162.6 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:07 PM EDT

                                                                  This is just for you Slick Rick the Habitual Liar & "Normal Person" the Retard ...

                                                                  Scientists in this section have made comments that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

                                                                  • Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences said in a 2007 news agency interview: "Global warming results not from the emission of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, but from an unusually high level of solar radiation and a lengthy – almost throughout the last century – growth in its intensity."[24]

                                                                  • Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics said in a 2002 lecture for The Heritage Foundation: "Most of the increase in the air's concentration of greenhouse gases from human activities—over 80 percent—occurred after the 1940s. That means that the strong early 20th century warming must be largely, if not entirely, natural."[25]"The coincident changes in the sun's changing energy output and temperature records on earth tend to argue that the sun has driven a major portion of the 20th century temperature change."[25] "[T]he recent warming trend in the surface temperature record cannot be caused by the increase of human-made greenhouse gases in the air."[26][not in citation given]

                                                                  • Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa said in a 2004 newspaper letter:"That portion of the scientific community that attributes climate warming to CO2 relies on the hypothesis that increasing CO2, which is in fact a minor greenhouse gas, triggers a much larger water vapour response to warm the atmosphere. This mechanism has never been tested scientifically beyond the mathematical models that predict extensive warming, and are confounded by the complexity of cloud formation – which has a cooling effect. ... We know that [the sun] was responsible for climate change in the past, and so is clearly going to play the lead role in present and future climate change. And interestingly... solar activity has recently begun a downward cycle."[27]

                                                                  • Chris de Freitas, Associate Professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland said in a 2006 newspaper article: "There is evidence of global warming. ... But warming does not confirm that carbon dioxide is causing it. Climate is always warming or cooling. There are natural variability theories of warming. To support the argument that carbon dioxide is causing it, the evidence would have to distinguish between human-caused and natural warming. This has not been done."[28]

                                                                  • David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester was reported to have said in a 2007 paper in the International Journal of Climatology: "The observed pattern of warming, comparing surface and atmospheric temperature trends, does not show the characteristic fingerprint associated with greenhouse warming. The inescapable conclusion is that the human contribution is not significant and that observed increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases make only a negligible contribution to climate warming."[29]

                                                                  • Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University said in a 2006 presentation to the Geological Society of America: "Glaciers advanced from about 1890–1920, retreated rapidly from ~1925 to ~1945, readvanced from ~1945 to ~1977, and have been retreating since the present warm cycle began in 1977. ... Because the warming periods in these oscillations occurred well before atmospheric CO2 began to rise rapidly in the 1940s, they could not have been caused by increased atmospheric CO2, and global warming since 1900 could well have happened without any effect of CO2. If the cycles continue as in the past, the current warm cycle should end soon and global temperatures should cool slightly until about 2035, then warm about 0.5 °C from ~2035 to ~2065, and cool slightly until 2100."[30]

                                                                  • William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University said in a 2006 newspaper interview: "I am of the opinion that [global warming] is one of the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the American people."[31]

                                                                  • William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy, Princeton University said in a 2006 newspaper interview: "All the evidence I see is that the current warming of the climate is just like past warmings. In fact, it's not as much as past warmings yet, and it probably has little to do with carbon dioxide, just like past warmings had little to do with carbon dioxide"[32]

                                                                  • William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology wrote in a 2004 article and book: "There has been a real climate change over the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries that can be attributed to natural phenomena. Natural variability of the climate system has been underestimated by IPCC and has, to now, dominated human influences."[33]

                                                                  • David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware wrote in a 2006 article for the National Center for Policy Analysis: "About half of the warming during the 20th century occurred prior to the 1940s, and natural variability accounts for all or nearly all of the warming."[34]

                                                                  • Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa said in 2005: Global warming "is the biggest scientific hoax being perpetrated on humanity. There is no global warming due to human anthropogenic activities. The atmosphere hasn’t changed much in 280 million years, and there have always been cycles of warming and cooling. The Cretaceous period was the warmest on earth. You could have grown tomatoes at the North Pole"[35]

                                                                  • Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and Professor of Geology at Carleton University in Canada said in a 2007 newspaper article: "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years. On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"[36][37]

                                                                  • Ian Plimer, Professor emeritus of Mining Geology, The University of Adelaide said in a 2002 television debate: "Natural climate changes occur unrelated to carbon dioxide contents. We've had many, many times in the recent past where we've rapidly gone into a greenhouse and the carbon dioxide content has been far, far lower than the current carbon dioxide content... It looks as if carbon dioxide actually follows climate change rather than drives it".[38]

                                                                  • Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University said in a 2010 article originally written for the Italian magazine La Chimica e l’Industria (Chemistry and Industry): "At least 60% of the warming of the Earth observed since 1970 appears to be induced by natural cycles which are present in the solar system. A climatic stabilization or cooling until 2030–2040 is forecast by the phenomenological model."[39][40]

                                                                  • Tom Segalstad, head of the Geology Museum at the University of Oslo said in a 2007 presentation to the 9th International Symposium on Mining in the Arctic: "The IPCC's temperature curve (the so-called 'hockey stick' curve) must be in error, because the Medieval warm period (the "Climate Optimum") and the Little Ice Age both are absent from their curve, on which the IPCC bases its future projections and recommended mitigation. All measurements of solar luminosity and 14C isotopes show that there is at present an increasing solar radiation which gives a warmer climate (Willson, R.C & Hudson, H.S. 1991: The Sun's luminosity over a complete solar cycle. Nature 351, 42–44; and Coffey, H.E., Erwin, E.H. & Hanchett, C.D.: Solar databases for global change models. www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/solarda3.html). Warmer climate was previously perceived as an optimum climate and not catastrophic. ... On a wet basis the Earth's atmosphere consists by mass of ~73.5% nitrogen, ~22.5% oxygen, ~2.7% water, and ~1.25% argon. CO2 in air is in minimal amount, ~0.05% by mass, and with minimal capacity (~2%) to influence the "Greenhouse Effect" compared to water vapor"[41]

                                                                  • Nir Shaviv, astrophysicist at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem said in a 2006 online essay: "[T]he truth is probably somewhere in between [the common view and that of skeptics], with natural causes probably being more important over the past century, whereas anthropogenic causes will probably be more dominant over the next century. ... [A]bout 2/3's (give or take a third or so) of the warming [over the past century] should be attributed to increased solar activity and the remaining to anthropogenic causes."[42]

                                                                  • Fred Singer, Professor emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia said in a 2005 award acceptance speech: "The greenhouse effect is real. However, the effect is minute, insignificant, and very difficult to detect."[43] Also in a 2006 television program: “It’s not automatically true that warming is bad, I happen to believe that warming is good, and so do many economists.”[44]

                                                                  • Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics was reported to have said in a 2003 paper for Energy & Environment: "there's increasingly strong evidence that previous research conclusions, including those of the United Nations and the United States government concerning 20th century warming, may have been biased by underestimation of natural climate variations. The bottom line is that if these variations are indeed proven true, then, yes, natural climate fluctuations could be a dominant factor in the recent warming. In other words, natural factors could be more important than previously assumed."[45]

                                                                  • Roy Spencer, principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville said in 2008 testimony to a US Senate committee: "I predict that in the coming years, there will be a growing realization among the global warming research community that most of the climate change we have observed is natural, and that mankind’s role is relatively minor".[46]

                                                                  • Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center said in a 2007 paper for Astronomy & Geophysics: "The case for anthropogenic climate change during the 20th century rests primarily on the fact that concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases increased and so did global temperatures. Attempts to show that certain details in the climatic record confirm the greenhouse forcing (e.g. Mitchell et al. 2001) have been less than conclusive. By contrast, the hypothesis that changes in cloudiness obedient to cosmic rays help to force climate change predicts a distinctive signal that is in fact very easily observed, as an exception that proves the rule."[47]

                                                                  • Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, Professor Emeritus from University of Ottawa said in a paper published in Geoscience Canada in 2005: "At this stage, two scenarios of potential human impact on climate appear feasible: (1) the standard IPCC model that advocates the leading role of greenhouse gases, particularly of CO2, and (2) the alternative model that argues for celestial phenomena as the principal climate driver. The two scenarios are likely not even mutually exclusive, but a prioritization may result in different relative impact. Models and empirical observations are both indispensable tools of science, yet when discrepancies arise, observations should carry greater weight than theory. If so, the multitude of empirical observations favours celestial phenomena as the most important driver of terrestrial climate on most time scales, but time will be the final judge."[48]
                                                                    #162.7 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:38 PM EDT

                                                                    Yes, you have found and pasted a bunch of quotes carefully chosen to support your point of view. I can fins 100 times as many that support the other way. So? Science is not about dueling quotes. it is about logic and the weight of evidence. Overall, that is on the side of AGW. Are there still observations that need to be explained? Of course. But calling people idiots is not legitimate scientiifc debate.

                                                                      #162.8 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:48 PM EDT
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                                                                      ”Rather than say, ‘Is this because of climate change?’ That’s the wrong question. What you can say is, ‘How likely is this to have occurred with the absence of global warming?’ It’s so extraordinarily unlikely that it has to be due to global warming,” Climate scientist Andrew Weaver said

                                                                      "Extremely hot temperatures covered about 0.1 percent to 0.2 percent of the globe in the base period of our study, from 1951 to 1980. In the last three decades, while the average temperature has slowly risen, the extremes have soared and now cover about 10 percent of the globe." - Hansen

                                                                      {from Climate Progress}

                                                                        Reply#165 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:20 PM EDT

                                                                        In the last decade, high temperature records in the U.S. outnumbered low temperature records by a 2-1 margin.

                                                                        This would not occur under normal circumstances, where you would expect about equal numbers.

                                                                          Reply#166 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:22 PM EDT

                                                                          Yeah, and you've got quantifiable empirical data from the last few hundred million years to support your hypothesis, right Jethro?

                                                                            #166.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

                                                                            Panther Hunter, you have no shame. You are dishonest and a hypocrite. See the previous page of this thread for more detail.

                                                                              #166.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:39 PM EDT

                                                                              Panther, Tick's comment was not about the last few hundred million years, so why do ypu bring it up? Climate scientists understand better than you do about the empircal data for the last few hundred million years. That is one way they learn how the climate worls, and can therefore predict anthropogenic climate change. It is really quite interesting. Perhaps you should check it out sometime, rather than insulting people who know more than you do.

                                                                                #166.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:45 PM EDT

                                                                                "Just Normal"...

                                                                                All you have done here is yammer mindlessly about something you know absolutely nothing about while posting the possibilities and postulations of a couple of people in the scientific community ... you are nothing more than a boor.

                                                                                  #166.4 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:06 PM EDT

                                                                                  "Jock"...

                                                                                  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... "that is one way they know how the climate works" ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... THESE LOONS CAN'T EVEN GET THEIR FACTS STRAIGHT ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE CLIMATE RIGHT NOW, let alone for multiple decades and ESPECIALLY not for millions of years ... jeez, surely you are joking.

                                                                                  Also, you must have overlooked this part of rick's post ... "This would not occur under normal circumstances, where you would expect about equal numbers" ... one would have to have the data going back quite some time (millions of years) to be able to say what "normal" is ... try and keep up pal.

                                                                                    #166.5 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:12 PM EDT

                                                                                    Panther: "All you have done here is yammer mindlessly about something you know absolutely nothing about while posting the possibilities and postulations of a couple of people in the scientific community ..."

                                                                                    Since that is exactly what you do, what is the difference?

                                                                                      #166.6 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:49 PM EDT

                                                                                      Panther - By "normal," Rick was clearly referring to the null hypothesis of no current trend. What happened millions of years ago is irrelevant to that hypothesis.

                                                                                        #166.7 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:51 PM EDT
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                                                                                        Panther Hunter You are a useful tool.

                                                                                        You know less than nothing about the science, yet spout off standard denier myths, with willful ignorance.

                                                                                        Global warming is NOT just a natural warming like the earth always goes through.

                                                                                        There has never before been a large species on Earth, 7 billion strong, burning fossil fuels and speeding up the natural short term carbon cycle.
                                                                                        ( 20% of human caused emissions are from land use impacts. )

                                                                                        In the short term (or active) carbon cycle, carbon cycles through the atmosphere, water, top soil, and living things. We are made of carbon compounds.

                                                                                        This cycle has been in a kind of balance or equilibrium for at least the last 10,000 years, and maybe as long as humans have been on earth.

                                                                                        That balance made possible the Holocene, during which agriculture and civilization emerged in a fairly benign climate regime. Carbon effects all life, the climate, geology, the chemistry of the oceans.
                                                                                        (the Holocene is the epoch since the last ice age about 11,000 years ago)

                                                                                        Have you heard of clean coal technology? It's called carbon capture and sequestration. The idea is to capture CO2 from power plants and pump it deep underground to sequester it. In other words, take it out of circulation, take it out of the short term carbon cyle.

                                                                                        Nature has done a kind of carbon sequestration. The carbon from former living things gets deposited underground, where after many tens of millions of years, it becomes coal. This locks it out of the short term carbon cycle, helping keep it in a balance that has made life, as we know it, possible
                                                                                        .
                                                                                        We are now taking maybe 65 million years of coal, burning it, and releasing all that carbon back into the active carbon cycle, in a few human lifetimes. That's a blink of an eye in geological time scales.

                                                                                        So carbon from fossil fuel emissions are ON TOP OF the normal carbon that naturally cycles through the carbon cycle.

                                                                                        That is Not just a natural cycle that the earth is going through.

                                                                                        In the natural carbon cycle, nature adds and removes carbon from the carbon cycle through natural processes. Humans are adding 30 billion tons of CO2, or about 8 billion tons of carbon, to the atmosphere and the oceans every year.
                                                                                        And we are not removing any. That overwhelms the natural systems ability to keep the carbon cycle in balance.

                                                                                          Reply#167 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:24 PM EDT

                                                                                          So, what you're saying is you hate plant food ... is that about right Goober?

                                                                                            #167.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:35 PM EDT

                                                                                            Panther Hunter, you have no shame. You are dishonest and a hypocrite. See the previous page of this thread for more detail.

                                                                                              #167.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:40 PM EDT

                                                                                              Yyyyaaaaaaawwwwnn ... why don't you go back and read the previous page dummy.

                                                                                                #167.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:13 PM EDT
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                                                                                                How does the 1936 heatwave figure into all "global warming" nutjobs theories? Anything?

                                                                                                And, the largest contributor of CO2 is evaporation from the world's oceans.

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                                                                                                Reply#168 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:26 PM EDT

                                                                                                Sssshhhhhhh, you're going to scare all the lemmings away, they oceans and they really hate plant food!!

                                                                                                  #168.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:33 PM EDT

                                                                                                  Sure STAN, and trees cause more pollution than any man made toxins. That's according to your poster boy, Ronny Ray Gun. LOL Do yourself a favor and seriously consider a brain transplant.

                                                                                                    #168.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:34 PM EDT

                                                                                                    Panther Hunter, you have no shame. You are dishonest and a hypocrite. See the previous page of this thread for more detail.

                                                                                                      #168.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:41 PM EDT

                                                                                                      stanboy, CO2 does not "evaporate," and the oceans are currently a net sink for carbon dioxide.

                                                                                                      The 1936 heatwave was a heatwave and says very little about global warming. Nobody has ever claimed it hasn't been warm before.

                                                                                                        #168.4 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:42 PM EDT

                                                                                                        And, PRESTO! It's warm again.

                                                                                                          #168.5 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:46 PM EDT

                                                                                                          stanboy, it will be warm and cold many times, from now until eternity. And that will be true whether or not the climate is changing, or why.

                                                                                                            #168.6 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:53 PM EDT
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                                                                                                            It was good for my golf game. The ball flys further in warm weather, rolls farther on the hard ground,

                                                                                                            but BOY, AM I THURSTY................

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                                                                                                            Reply#169 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:26 PM EDT
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                                                                                                            Deniers keep spouting nonsense about extreme solar activity, not even understanding the basics, like that the Sun is just on the upward slope of it's 11 year solar cycle.

                                                                                                            Skeptic argument: the Sun causing global warming.

                                                                                                            Answer: FALSE

                                                                                                            The science of the greenhouse gas effect says that we would expect to see warming of the troposphere and cooling of the stratosphere.

                                                                                                            That is exactly what has been observed.

                                                                                                            If the sun was the cause of the warming, we would expect to see both layers of the atmosphere heat up.

                                                                                                            If the sun was the cause of the warming, the largest temperature anomalies, would happen during the daytime.

                                                                                                            But what is being observed is more warm anomalies at night, which is what should happen if greenhouse gases are causing warming.
                                                                                                            (an anomaly is a deviation from the norm)

                                                                                                            In other words nights are warming faster than days are.

                                                                                                            At night, the earth radiates long wave thermal radiation out into space, releasing some of the heat absorbed during the day. That's why dew forms more on clear nights. CO2 keeps the heat from radiating into space. Warmer nights is another signature of the greenhouse gas effect.

                                                                                                            The sun has been quiet since the 1970s, very quiet.

                                                                                                            We are also just coming out of a hundred year solar minimum that started about 2008.

                                                                                                            Yet we just had the warmest year on record in 2010
                                                                                                            We just had the warmest decade on record.
                                                                                                            2011 was the 10th warmest on record. It was cooled by the La Nina event.
                                                                                                            2011 was the warmest year on record with a La Nina event.

                                                                                                              Reply#171 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:29 PM EDT

                                                                                                              Sailguy, Would'nt it be great if you were even 10% as important as you think you are. You keep us poor, unwashed absolutely spellbound.

                                                                                                                #171.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:34 PM EDT

                                                                                                                stan, I fail to see how your insults are in any way relevant to the scientific arguments that Rick is making.

                                                                                                                  #171.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:54 PM EDT

                                                                                                                  There are no scientific facts in Rick's post but there are several out and out lies ... jeez.

                                                                                                                    #171.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:15 PM EDT

                                                                                                                    Panther, you have no idea whether anything Rick said is true or not. You assume they are lies because you don't want them to be true. Science doesn't work that way.

                                                                                                                      #171.4 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:53 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                      Just as Barry Hussein and his handlers rely on the ignorance of his base to further their agenda, Barry, Gore and Goldman Sachs, as well as their global operatives, demand the ignorance of the average person to further their global warming / carbon credit platform.

                                                                                                                      There are literally trillions of dollars at stake and you can rest assured this assault on he world's citizenry will not stop ...

                                                                                                                        Reply#172 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:31 PM EDT

                                                                                                                        Your comment is completely idiotic.

                                                                                                                        Al Gore has NOTHING to do with the science.

                                                                                                                        As soon as you see a comment from a so called skeptic, that contains the words - Al Gore, be assured that they have no clue what they are talking about.

                                                                                                                        Al Gore has nothing to do with it.

                                                                                                                        Climate scientists don't work for him

                                                                                                                        Climate scientists don't work with him

                                                                                                                        Climate scientists also do not work for the IPCC
                                                                                                                        And they are not paid by the IPCC or the UN

                                                                                                                        Some volunteer their time to the IPCC, on top of their day jobs doing the research at academic and government research centers that have NOTHING to do with the IPCC.

                                                                                                                          #172.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:36 PM EDT

                                                                                                                          I know you think this is all a political conspiracy, so I understand your anger. But you are going to learn eventually that the science is real.

                                                                                                                            #172.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

                                                                                                                            Panther Hunter, you have no shame. You are dishonest and a hypocrite. See the previous page of this thread for more detail.

                                                                                                                              #172.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:42 PM EDT

                                                                                                                              Slick Rick,

                                                                                                                              You apparently know absolutely nothing about anything I said but thanks for the rant, I think it's cute!

                                                                                                                              Jock,

                                                                                                                              It's not a conspiracy genius, you obviously know about as much as Rick does on the matter ... no worries, I completely understand, I have been coming around here for 3-4 weeks now and know all too well the types of uninformed and uneducated lemmings that frequent the MSNBC Psyche Ward.

                                                                                                                              Normal,

                                                                                                                              You're an idiot ...

                                                                                                                                #172.4 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:21 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                                It's amazing how "hot" it's gotten in the last 50 years since the long-term temperature stations have been surrounded by asphalt and concrete heat sinks as urban areas expand, or they've been moved to airports in between tarmac runways.

                                                                                                                                According to a scientific study, this can account for over half of the warming.

                                                                                                                                Many of the "record highs" have been at airports. Go figure.

                                                                                                                                  Reply#173 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:31 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                  The conclusion is the same after the heat island effect is controlled for, and the predciton of AGW is not based on temperature observations anyway.

                                                                                                                                    #173.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:49 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                                    The greenhouse effect has been understood for over a century.

                                                                                                                                    the greenhouse gas effect was first proposed by Joseph Fourier in 1824, proven by John Tyndall in 1858, and was first quantified by Svante Arrhenius ~1896.

                                                                                                                                    Fourier calculates colder earth without an atmosphere (1824)

                                                                                                                                    Tyndall discovers relationship between CO2 and long-wave radiation (1859)

                                                                                                                                    Arrhenius calculates global warming from anthropogenic CO2 (1896)

                                                                                                                                    Chamberlin models global carbon exchange including feedbacks (1897)

                                                                                                                                    Callendar predicts global warming increase catalysed by CO2 emissions (1938)

                                                                                                                                    Revelle predicts inability of oceans to sequester anthropogenic CO2 (1958)

                                                                                                                                    from "The Discovery of Global Warming" by Spencer Weart

                                                                                                                                    Arrhnenius' estimate, for how much warming to expect from a doubling of CO2 concentration in the atmosphere, was very close to today's estimates, which have 100 more years of research to rely on.

                                                                                                                                    But for Rush Limbaugh, the Republicans congress and tea party, Global Warming is just an agenda cooked up by Al Gore and other liberals.

                                                                                                                                      Reply#175 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                      Over 100 professional science organizations with international standing - have all issued statements saying - AGW science is certain, and that we must act immediately to reduce greenhouse gas emssions.
                                                                                                                                      This includes every national academy of science in the world.

                                                                                                                                      The U.S. National Academy of Science has issued four such statements.

                                                                                                                                      The prestigious science journal, Nature, issued a statement this year, lambasting the GOP for it's anti science position, especially on climate change.

                                                                                                                                      Here are the only two professional science organizations in the world - that deny global warming and the science.

                                                                                                                                      American Association of Petroleum Geologists
                                                                                                                                      Canadian Association of Petroleum Geologists

                                                                                                                                      Thats all!
                                                                                                                                      Do you find that surprising?

                                                                                                                                      These are the only two that the GOP agrees with.

                                                                                                                                      And the oil industry gives 80% of political donations to GOP.
                                                                                                                                      The coal industry gives 90% of political donations to GOP.

                                                                                                                                        Reply#176 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                        RICK, Don't you know that all the people you mention are "elitist" University types, what the hell would they know. Now Joe, who I met at my local bar tells me it's all a lot of bunk and there's nothing to worry about. I'm going with Joe's say so, that's good enough for me.

                                                                                                                                        Besides, who the hell are you going to believe, the Koch Brothers or your lying eyes???

                                                                                                                                          #176.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:41 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                                          I showed you the impressive list of professional scientific organizations in the world, that deny global warming, and that most GOP politicians agree with.
                                                                                                                                          Here's the list again

                                                                                                                                          American Association of Petroleum Geologists

                                                                                                                                          Canadian Associations of Petroleum Geologists

                                                                                                                                          That's the whole list

                                                                                                                                          The following scientific organizations support the findings of the IPCC. The reason I list the National Academy of Sciences first, is because they are like the Supreme Court of science in America. They decide what is real science and what is junk science.

                                                                                                                                          There are at least 30 more organizations of national or international standing not listed here.

                                                                                                                                          National Academy of Sciences (U.S.)

                                                                                                                                          NASA

                                                                                                                                          Woods Hole Resesarch Center

                                                                                                                                          US Geological Survey (USGS)

                                                                                                                                          National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)

                                                                                                                                          NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS)

                                                                                                                                          American Association of State Climatologists

                                                                                                                                          Federal Climate Change Science Program, 2006 (the study authorized by the Bush administration, and then Edited by a Petroleum Institute lawyer under the Bush administration, to water it down)

                                                                                                                                          American Chemical Society - (world's largest scientific organization with over 155,000 members)

                                                                                                                                          Geological Society of America

                                                                                                                                          American Geophysical Union (AGU)

                                                                                                                                          National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)

                                                                                                                                          American Association of State Climatologists

                                                                                                                                          Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)

                                                                                                                                          American Astronomical Society

                                                                                                                                          American Institute of Physics

                                                                                                                                          American Meteorological Society (AMS)

                                                                                                                                          American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)

                                                                                                                                          Stratigraphy Commission - Geological Society of London - (The world's oldest and the United Kingdom's largest geoscience organization)

                                                                                                                                          British Antarctic Survey

                                                                                                                                          Australian Bureau of Meteorology and the CSIRO

                                                                                                                                          Australian Coral Reef Society

                                                                                                                                          Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)

                                                                                                                                          Chinese Academy of Sciences

                                                                                                                                          Royal Society, United Kingdom

                                                                                                                                          Russian Academy of Sciences

                                                                                                                                          Royal Society of Canada

                                                                                                                                          Science Council of Japan

                                                                                                                                          Australian Academy of Sciences

                                                                                                                                          Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts

                                                                                                                                          Brazilian Academy of Sciences

                                                                                                                                          Caribbean Academy of Sciences

                                                                                                                                          French Academy of Sciences

                                                                                                                                          German Academy of Natural Scientists

                                                                                                                                          Indian National Science Academy

                                                                                                                                          Indonesian Academy of Sciences

                                                                                                                                          Royal Irish Academy

                                                                                                                                          Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei (Italy)

                                                                                                                                          Academy of Sciences Malaysia

                                                                                                                                          Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand

                                                                                                                                          Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences

                                                                                                                                          Union of Concerned Scientists

                                                                                                                                          The Institution of Engineers Australia

                                                                                                                                          Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS)

                                                                                                                                          National Research Council

                                                                                                                                          Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospherice Sciences

                                                                                                                                          World Meteorological Organization

                                                                                                                                          State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC)

                                                                                                                                          International Council on Science

                                                                                                                                          American Physical Society (APS)

                                                                                                                                          Australian Institute of Physics (AIP

                                                                                                                                          European Physical Society

                                                                                                                                          European Science Foundation

                                                                                                                                          Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies (FASTS

                                                                                                                                          Polish Academy of Sciences (PAN)

                                                                                                                                          Network of African Science Academies

                                                                                                                                          International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences (CAETS

                                                                                                                                          European Academy of Sciences and Arts

                                                                                                                                          InterAcademy Council (IAC)

                                                                                                                                          International Arctic Science Committee

                                                                                                                                          Arctic Council

                                                                                                                                          European Federation of Geologists (EFG)

                                                                                                                                          European Geosciences Union (EGU)

                                                                                                                                          Geological Society of Australia

                                                                                                                                          International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics

                                                                                                                                          National Association of Geoscience Teachers (NAGT

                                                                                                                                          Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society

                                                                                                                                          Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society

                                                                                                                                          Royal Meteorological Society (UK)

                                                                                                                                          American Quaternary Association (AMQUA

                                                                                                                                          American Institute of Biological Sciences

                                                                                                                                          American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians (AAWV

                                                                                                                                          American Society for Microbiology

                                                                                                                                          Institute of Biology (UK)

                                                                                                                                          Society of American Foresters (SAF

                                                                                                                                            Reply#177 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:38 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                            "Slick Rick the Habitual Liar"

                                                                                                                                            Scientists in this section have made comments that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.

                                                                                                                                            • Freeman Dyson, Professor Emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society [9]

                                                                                                                                            • Ivar Giaever, Nobel Laureate in physics and professor emeritus at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, said in a 2011 email explaining his failure to renew his membership of the American Physical Society: "In the APS it is ok to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multi-universe behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible? The claim (how can you measure the average temperature of the whole earth for a whole year?) is that the temperature has changed from ~288.0 to ~288.8 degree Kelvin in about 150 years, which (if true) means to me is that the temperature has been amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely improved in this 'warming' period." He calls global warming the "new religion," and, along with more than 100 scientists, wrote in a letter to President Obama, "We maintain that the case for alarm regarding climate change is grossly overstated." [10][11][12] Giaever also refers to climate science as "pseudoscience".[13][14]

                                                                                                                                            • Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences[15][16][17]

                                                                                                                                            • Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics department at Stockholm University, former Chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003), and author of books supporting the validity of dowsing[18]

                                                                                                                                            • Garth Paltridge, retired Chief Research Scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired Director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, Visiting Fellow ANU[19]
                                                                                                                                            • Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London[20]

                                                                                                                                            • Hendrik Tennekes, retired Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute said in a 2009 essay: "The blind adherence to the harebrained idea that climate models can generate 'realistic' simulations of climate is the principal reason why I remain a climate skeptic."[21]
                                                                                                                                              #177.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:29 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                              This is just for you Slick Rick the Habitual Liar & "Normal Person" the Retard ...

                                                                                                                                              Scientists in this section have made comments that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

                                                                                                                                              • Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences said in a 2007 news agency interview: "Global warming results not from the emission of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, but from an unusually high level of solar radiation and a lengthy – almost throughout the last century – growth in its intensity."[24]

                                                                                                                                              • Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics said in a 2002 lecture for The Heritage Foundation: "Most of the increase in the air's concentration of greenhouse gases from human activities—over 80 percent—occurred after the 1940s. That means that the strong early 20th century warming must be largely, if not entirely, natural."[25]"The coincident changes in the sun's changing energy output and temperature records on earth tend to argue that the sun has driven a major portion of the 20th century temperature change."[25] "[T]he recent warming trend in the surface temperature record cannot be caused by the increase of human-made greenhouse gases in the air."[26][not in citation given]

                                                                                                                                              • Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa said in a 2004 newspaper letter:"That portion of the scientific community that attributes climate warming to CO2 relies on the hypothesis that increasing CO2, which is in fact a minor greenhouse gas, triggers a much larger water vapour response to warm the atmosphere. This mechanism has never been tested scientifically beyond the mathematical models that predict extensive warming, and are confounded by the complexity of cloud formation – which has a cooling effect. ... We know that [the sun] was responsible for climate change in the past, and so is clearly going to play the lead role in present and future climate change. And interestingly... solar activity has recently begun a downward cycle."[27]

                                                                                                                                              • Chris de Freitas, Associate Professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland said in a 2006 newspaper article: "There is evidence of global warming. ... But warming does not confirm that carbon dioxide is causing it. Climate is always warming or cooling. There are natural variability theories of warming. To support the argument that carbon dioxide is causing it, the evidence would have to distinguish between human-caused and natural warming. This has not been done."[28]

                                                                                                                                              • David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester was reported to have said in a 2007 paper in the International Journal of Climatology: "The observed pattern of warming, comparing surface and atmospheric temperature trends, does not show the characteristic fingerprint associated with greenhouse warming. The inescapable conclusion is that the human contribution is not significant and that observed increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases make only a negligible contribution to climate warming."[29]

                                                                                                                                              • Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University said in a 2006 presentation to the Geological Society of America: "Glaciers advanced from about 1890–1920, retreated rapidly from ~1925 to ~1945, readvanced from ~1945 to ~1977, and have been retreating since the present warm cycle began in 1977. ... Because the warming periods in these oscillations occurred well before atmospheric CO2 began to rise rapidly in the 1940s, they could not have been caused by increased atmospheric CO2, and global warming since 1900 could well have happened without any effect of CO2. If the cycles continue as in the past, the current warm cycle should end soon and global temperatures should cool slightly until about 2035, then warm about 0.5 °C from ~2035 to ~2065, and cool slightly until 2100."[30]

                                                                                                                                              • William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University said in a 2006 newspaper interview: "I am of the opinion that [global warming] is one of the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the American people."[31]

                                                                                                                                              • William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy, Princeton University said in a 2006 newspaper interview: "All the evidence I see is that the current warming of the climate is just like past warmings. In fact, it's not as much as past warmings yet, and it probably has little to do with carbon dioxide, just like past warmings had little to do with carbon dioxide"[32]

                                                                                                                                              • William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology wrote in a 2004 article and book: "There has been a real climate change over the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries that can be attributed to natural phenomena. Natural variability of the climate system has been underestimated by IPCC and has, to now, dominated human influences."[33]

                                                                                                                                              • David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware wrote in a 2006 article for the National Center for Policy Analysis: "About half of the warming during the 20th century occurred prior to the 1940s, and natural variability accounts for all or nearly all of the warming."[34]

                                                                                                                                              • Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa said in 2005: Global warming "is the biggest scientific hoax being perpetrated on humanity. There is no global warming due to human anthropogenic activities. The atmosphere hasn’t changed much in 280 million years, and there have always been cycles of warming and cooling. The Cretaceous period was the warmest on earth. You could have grown tomatoes at the North Pole"[35]

                                                                                                                                              • Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and Professor of Geology at Carleton University in Canada said in a 2007 newspaper article: "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years. On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"[36][37]

                                                                                                                                              • Ian Plimer, Professor emeritus of Mining Geology, The University of Adelaide said in a 2002 television debate: "Natural climate changes occur unrelated to carbon dioxide contents. We've had many, many times in the recent past where we've rapidly gone into a greenhouse and the carbon dioxide content has been far, far lower than the current carbon dioxide content... It looks as if carbon dioxide actually follows climate change rather than drives it".[38]

                                                                                                                                              • Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University said in a 2010 article originally written for the Italian magazine La Chimica e l’Industria (Chemistry and Industry): "At least 60% of the warming of the Earth observed since 1970 appears to be induced by natural cycles which are present in the solar system. A climatic stabilization or cooling until 2030–2040 is forecast by the phenomenological model."[39][40]

                                                                                                                                              • Tom Segalstad, head of the Geology Museum at the University of Oslo said in a 2007 presentation to the 9th International Symposium on Mining in the Arctic: "The IPCC's temperature curve (the so-called 'hockey stick' curve) must be in error, because the Medieval warm period (the "Climate Optimum") and the Little Ice Age both are absent from their curve, on which the IPCC bases its future projections and recommended mitigation. All measurements of solar luminosity and 14C isotopes show that there is at present an increasing solar radiation which gives a warmer climate (Willson, R.C & Hudson, H.S. 1991: The Sun's luminosity over a complete solar cycle. Nature 351, 42–44; and Coffey, H.E., Erwin, E.H. & Hanchett, C.D.: Solar databases for global change models. www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/solarda3.html). Warmer climate was previously perceived as an optimum climate and not catastrophic. ... On a wet basis the Earth's atmosphere consists by mass of ~73.5% nitrogen, ~22.5% oxygen, ~2.7% water, and ~1.25% argon. CO2 in air is in minimal amount, ~0.05% by mass, and with minimal capacity (~2%) to influence the "Greenhouse Effect" compared to water vapor"[41]

                                                                                                                                              • Nir Shaviv, astrophysicist at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem said in a 2006 online essay: "[T]he truth is probably somewhere in between [the common view and that of skeptics], with natural causes probably being more important over the past century, whereas anthropogenic causes will probably be more dominant over the next century. ... [A]bout 2/3's (give or take a third or so) of the warming [over the past century] should be attributed to increased solar activity and the remaining to anthropogenic causes."[42]

                                                                                                                                              • Fred Singer, Professor emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia said in a 2005 award acceptance speech: "The greenhouse effect is real. However, the effect is minute, insignificant, and very difficult to detect."[43] Also in a 2006 television program: “It’s not automatically true that warming is bad, I happen to believe that warming is good, and so do many economists.”[44]

                                                                                                                                              • Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics was reported to have said in a 2003 paper for Energy & Environment: "there's increasingly strong evidence that previous research conclusions, including those of the United Nations and the United States government concerning 20th century warming, may have been biased by underestimation of natural climate variations. The bottom line is that if these variations are indeed proven true, then, yes, natural climate fluctuations could be a dominant factor in the recent warming. In other words, natural factors could be more important than previously assumed."[45]

                                                                                                                                              • Roy Spencer, principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville said in 2008 testimony to a US Senate committee: "I predict that in the coming years, there will be a growing realization among the global warming research community that most of the climate change we have observed is natural, and that mankind’s role is relatively minor".[46]

                                                                                                                                              • Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center said in a 2007 paper for Astronomy & Geophysics: "The case for anthropogenic climate change during the 20th century rests primarily on the fact that concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases increased and so did global temperatures. Attempts to show that certain details in the climatic record confirm the greenhouse forcing (e.g. Mitchell et al. 2001) have been less than conclusive. By contrast, the hypothesis that changes in cloudiness obedient to cosmic rays help to force climate change predicts a distinctive signal that is in fact very easily observed, as an exception that proves the rule."[47]

                                                                                                                                              • Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, Professor Emeritus from University of Ottawa said in a paper published in Geoscience Canada in 2005: "At this stage, two scenarios of potential human impact on climate appear feasible: (1) the standard IPCC model that advocates the leading role of greenhouse gases, particularly of CO2, and (2) the alternative model that argues for celestial phenomena as the principal climate driver. The two scenarios are likely not even mutually exclusive, but a prioritization may result in different relative impact. Models and empirical observations are both indispensable tools of science, yet when discrepancies arise, observations should carry greater weight than theory. If so, the multitude of empirical observations favours celestial phenomena as the most important driver of terrestrial climate on most time scales, but time will be the final judge."[48]
                                                                                                                                                #177.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:39 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                                                So called skeptics will tell you about large lists of scientists who are skeptical of AGW. Every one of those lists is padded and laughable.

                                                                                                                                                Answer: FALSE

                                                                                                                                                Senator Inhofe (R-Oklahoma) has stood up on the senate floor with a list of over 400 "prominent scientists" who were skeptical of the theory of man made global warming, or anthropogenic global warming(AGW).

                                                                                                                                                Senator Inhofe's list of 413 skeptics included:
                                                                                                                                                20 economists
                                                                                                                                                49 who are retired
                                                                                                                                                44 television weathermen
                                                                                                                                                70 scientists with no expertise in climate study
                                                                                                                                                84 scientists who are either connected with the oil industry or are paid by it.
                                                                                                                                                Scientists who were included against their will, and who agree with the IPCC

                                                                                                                                                TV weathermen are NOT climate scientists

                                                                                                                                                ------

                                                                                                                                                Then there is the phony Oregon Petition, supposedly signed by 31,000 scientists who disagree with AGW theory. In reality, their only requirement for inclusion on this list was a bachelor degree in any field of science or engineering. Absurd, but here are the results.

                                                                                                                                                Lets see how their numbers compare with the general population of scientists, using their own parameters for inclusion.

                                                                                                                                                Total number of scientists in the United States 12,944,000
                                                                                                                                                Number of scientists who signed the Oregon petition 31,486 or 0.24% of the total

                                                                                                                                                Thats right, the Oregon Petition signers are less than one quarter of one percent of the number of scientists in the U.S., which isn't much to brag about. Being generous, maybe 150 are actually climate scientists. which is 0.3% of the 50,000 members of the American Geophysical Union (AGU) in Europe and the U.S.
                                                                                                                                                You will find large numbers of petroleum geologists and engineers on these lists.

                                                                                                                                                99.9% of those on this list are NOT climate scientists

                                                                                                                                                  Reply#178 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:39 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                                  RICK, you can also inform our dear friends on the Right that up until a couple of years ago, their nominee, Willard the Weathervane acknowledged that Climate Change is real

                                                                                                                                                    #178.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:42 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                                    "Slick Rick the Habitual Liar"

                                                                                                                                                    Scientists in this section have made comments that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.

                                                                                                                                                    • Freeman Dyson, Professor Emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society [9]

                                                                                                                                                    • Ivar Giaever, Nobel Laureate in physics and professor emeritus at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, said in a 2011 email explaining his failure to renew his membership of the American Physical Society: "In the APS it is ok to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multi-universe behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible? The claim (how can you measure the average temperature of the whole earth for a whole year?) is that the temperature has changed from ~288.0 to ~288.8 degree Kelvin in about 150 years, which (if true) means to me is that the temperature has been amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely improved in this 'warming' period." He calls global warming the "new religion," and, along with more than 100 scientists, wrote in a letter to President Obama, "We maintain that the case for alarm regarding climate change is grossly overstated." [10][11][12] Giaever also refers to climate science as "pseudoscience".[13][14]

                                                                                                                                                    • Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences[15][16][17]

                                                                                                                                                    • Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics department at Stockholm University, former Chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003), and author of books supporting the validity of dowsing[18]

                                                                                                                                                    • Garth Paltridge, retired Chief Research Scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired Director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, Visiting Fellow ANU[19]
                                                                                                                                                    • Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London[20]

                                                                                                                                                    • Hendrik Tennekes, retired Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute said in a 2009 essay: "The blind adherence to the harebrained idea that climate models can generate 'realistic' simulations of climate is the principal reason why I remain a climate skeptic."[21]
                                                                                                                                                      #178.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:31 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                                      This is just for you Slick Rick the Habitual Liar & "Normal Person" the Retard ...

                                                                                                                                                      Scientists in this section have made comments that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

                                                                                                                                                      • Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences said in a 2007 news agency interview: "Global warming results not from the emission of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, but from an unusually high level of solar radiation and a lengthy – almost throughout the last century – growth in its intensity."[24]

                                                                                                                                                      • Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics said in a 2002 lecture for The Heritage Foundation: "Most of the increase in the air's concentration of greenhouse gases from human activities—over 80 percent—occurred after the 1940s. That means that the strong early 20th century warming must be largely, if not entirely, natural."[25]"The coincident changes in the sun's changing energy output and temperature records on earth tend to argue that the sun has driven a major portion of the 20th century temperature change."[25] "[T]he recent warming trend in the surface temperature record cannot be caused by the increase of human-made greenhouse gases in the air."[26][not in citation given]

                                                                                                                                                      • Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa said in a 2004 newspaper letter:"That portion of the scientific community that attributes climate warming to CO2 relies on the hypothesis that increasing CO2, which is in fact a minor greenhouse gas, triggers a much larger water vapour response to warm the atmosphere. This mechanism has never been tested scientifically beyond the mathematical models that predict extensive warming, and are confounded by the complexity of cloud formation – which has a cooling effect. ... We know that [the sun] was responsible for climate change in the past, and so is clearly going to play the lead role in present and future climate change. And interestingly... solar activity has recently begun a downward cycle."[27]

                                                                                                                                                      • Chris de Freitas, Associate Professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland said in a 2006 newspaper article: "There is evidence of global warming. ... But warming does not confirm that carbon dioxide is causing it. Climate is always warming or cooling. There are natural variability theories of warming. To support the argument that carbon dioxide is causing it, the evidence would have to distinguish between human-caused and natural warming. This has not been done."[28]

                                                                                                                                                      • David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester was reported to have said in a 2007 paper in the International Journal of Climatology: "The observed pattern of warming, comparing surface and atmospheric temperature trends, does not show the characteristic fingerprint associated with greenhouse warming. The inescapable conclusion is that the human contribution is not significant and that observed increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases make only a negligible contribution to climate warming."[29]

                                                                                                                                                      • Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University said in a 2006 presentation to the Geological Society of America: "Glaciers advanced from about 1890–1920, retreated rapidly from ~1925 to ~1945, readvanced from ~1945 to ~1977, and have been retreating since the present warm cycle began in 1977. ... Because the warming periods in these oscillations occurred well before atmospheric CO2 began to rise rapidly in the 1940s, they could not have been caused by increased atmospheric CO2, and global warming since 1900 could well have happened without any effect of CO2. If the cycles continue as in the past, the current warm cycle should end soon and global temperatures should cool slightly until about 2035, then warm about 0.5 °C from ~2035 to ~2065, and cool slightly until 2100."[30]

                                                                                                                                                      • William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University said in a 2006 newspaper interview: "I am of the opinion that [global warming] is one of the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the American people."[31]

                                                                                                                                                      • William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy, Princeton University said in a 2006 newspaper interview: "All the evidence I see is that the current warming of the climate is just like past warmings. In fact, it's not as much as past warmings yet, and it probably has little to do with carbon dioxide, just like past warmings had little to do with carbon dioxide"[32]

                                                                                                                                                      • William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology wrote in a 2004 article and book: "There has been a real climate change over the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries that can be attributed to natural phenomena. Natural variability of the climate system has been underestimated by IPCC and has, to now, dominated human influences."[33]

                                                                                                                                                      • David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware wrote in a 2006 article for the National Center for Policy Analysis: "About half of the warming during the 20th century occurred prior to the 1940s, and natural variability accounts for all or nearly all of the warming."[34]

                                                                                                                                                      • Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa said in 2005: Global warming "is the biggest scientific hoax being perpetrated on humanity. There is no global warming due to human anthropogenic activities. The atmosphere hasn’t changed much in 280 million years, and there have always been cycles of warming and cooling. The Cretaceous period was the warmest on earth. You could have grown tomatoes at the North Pole"[35]

                                                                                                                                                      • Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and Professor of Geology at Carleton University in Canada said in a 2007 newspaper article: "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years. On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"[36][37]

                                                                                                                                                      • Ian Plimer, Professor emeritus of Mining Geology, The University of Adelaide said in a 2002 television debate: "Natural climate changes occur unrelated to carbon dioxide contents. We've had many, many times in the recent past where we've rapidly gone into a greenhouse and the carbon dioxide content has been far, far lower than the current carbon dioxide content... It looks as if carbon dioxide actually follows climate change rather than drives it".[38]

                                                                                                                                                      • Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University said in a 2010 article originally written for the Italian magazine La Chimica e l’Industria (Chemistry and Industry): "At least 60% of the warming of the Earth observed since 1970 appears to be induced by natural cycles which are present in the solar system. A climatic stabilization or cooling until 2030–2040 is forecast by the phenomenological model."[39][40]

                                                                                                                                                      • Tom Segalstad, head of the Geology Museum at the University of Oslo said in a 2007 presentation to the 9th International Symposium on Mining in the Arctic: "The IPCC's temperature curve (the so-called 'hockey stick' curve) must be in error, because the Medieval warm period (the "Climate Optimum") and the Little Ice Age both are absent from their curve, on which the IPCC bases its future projections and recommended mitigation. All measurements of solar luminosity and 14C isotopes show that there is at present an increasing solar radiation which gives a warmer climate (Willson, R.C & Hudson, H.S. 1991: The Sun's luminosity over a complete solar cycle. Nature 351, 42–44; and Coffey, H.E., Erwin, E.H. & Hanchett, C.D.: Solar databases for global change models. www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/solarda3.html). Warmer climate was previously perceived as an optimum climate and not catastrophic. ... On a wet basis the Earth's atmosphere consists by mass of ~73.5% nitrogen, ~22.5% oxygen, ~2.7% water, and ~1.25% argon. CO2 in air is in minimal amount, ~0.05% by mass, and with minimal capacity (~2%) to influence the "Greenhouse Effect" compared to water vapor"[41]

                                                                                                                                                      • Nir Shaviv, astrophysicist at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem said in a 2006 online essay: "[T]he truth is probably somewhere in between [the common view and that of skeptics], with natural causes probably being more important over the past century, whereas anthropogenic causes will probably be more dominant over the next century. ... [A]bout 2/3's (give or take a third or so) of the warming [over the past century] should be attributed to increased solar activity and the remaining to anthropogenic causes."[42]

                                                                                                                                                      • Fred Singer, Professor emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia said in a 2005 award acceptance speech: "The greenhouse effect is real. However, the effect is minute, insignificant, and very difficult to detect."[43] Also in a 2006 television program: “It’s not automatically true that warming is bad, I happen to believe that warming is good, and so do many economists.”[44]

                                                                                                                                                      • Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics was reported to have said in a 2003 paper for Energy & Environment: "there's increasingly strong evidence that previous research conclusions, including those of the United Nations and the United States government concerning 20th century warming, may have been biased by underestimation of natural climate variations. The bottom line is that if these variations are indeed proven true, then, yes, natural climate fluctuations could be a dominant factor in the recent warming. In other words, natural factors could be more important than previously assumed."[45]

                                                                                                                                                      • Roy Spencer, principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville said in 2008 testimony to a US Senate committee: "I predict that in the coming years, there will be a growing realization among the global warming research community that most of the climate change we have observed is natural, and that mankind’s role is relatively minor".[46]

                                                                                                                                                      • Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center said in a 2007 paper for Astronomy & Geophysics: "The case for anthropogenic climate change during the 20th century rests primarily on the fact that concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases increased and so did global temperatures. Attempts to show that certain details in the climatic record confirm the greenhouse forcing (e.g. Mitchell et al. 2001) have been less than conclusive. By contrast, the hypothesis that changes in cloudiness obedient to cosmic rays help to force climate change predicts a distinctive signal that is in fact very easily observed, as an exception that proves the rule."[47]

                                                                                                                                                      • Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, Professor Emeritus from University of Ottawa said in a paper published in Geoscience Canada in 2005: "At this stage, two scenarios of potential human impact on climate appear feasible: (1) the standard IPCC model that advocates the leading role of greenhouse gases, particularly of CO2, and (2) the alternative model that argues for celestial phenomena as the principal climate driver. The two scenarios are likely not even mutually exclusive, but a prioritization may result in different relative impact. Models and empirical observations are both indispensable tools of science, yet when discrepancies arise, observations should carry greater weight than theory. If so, the multitude of empirical observations favours celestial phenomena as the most important driver of terrestrial climate on most time scales, but time will be the final judge."[48]
                                                                                                                                                        #178.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:39 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                                                        Here's another false skeptic argument that was once again proven false just recently. And it was a study funded by the Koch brothers and promoted by Anthony Watts, chief misinformer at WUWT website.

                                                                                                                                                        Except it backfired on them, because when it proved they were wrong, they denied their own study. Too bad for them, the scientist, Muller, who did the study was an actual skeptic - someone who changes their mind when shown the evidence. That's not something deniers like Watson ever do.

                                                                                                                                                        Skeptic Argument:
                                                                                                                                                        Poor Temperature Station Quality?
                                                                                                                                                        Anthony Watts' favorite argument, claiming that effects like Urban Heat Island and poor temp measuring stations were biasing surface temperature readings toward warming.

                                                                                                                                                        Answer: FALSE
                                                                                                                                                        NOAA studied this and found no bias toward warming. In fact, they found a very slight bias toward cooler temp readings.

                                                                                                                                                        New BEST study at Berkeley Universtiy, also called the Muller report, did another study for skeptics -Anthony Watts etc, and funded by the Koch brothers. To their dismay, it had the same conclusion as the study by NOAA -No warming bias. Watts has been going on about this for years.

                                                                                                                                                        Anthony Watts said he would abide by whatever the BEST study found. (after all it was their baby)
                                                                                                                                                        He has done nothing of the kind, and is now attacking the study and Muller. Muller was obviously something of a true skeptic, because he changed his mind when his own study contradicted his thinking. Deniers don't do that.

                                                                                                                                                        What we want to know is if it's getting warmer. What is the trend? So even a biased thermometer would show a trend over time, which is what they do. The same trend as the world average shows. So Watt's argument is an empty one anyway.

                                                                                                                                                        If you think you are getting good science information at WUWT, you are deceived.

                                                                                                                                                          Reply#179 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:41 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                                          This is just for you Slick Rick the Habitual Liar & "Normal Person" the Retard ...

                                                                                                                                                          Scientists in this section have made comments that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

                                                                                                                                                          • Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences said in a 2007 news agency interview: "Global warming results not from the emission of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, but from an unusually high level of solar radiation and a lengthy – almost throughout the last century – growth in its intensity."[24]

                                                                                                                                                          • Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics said in a 2002 lecture for The Heritage Foundation: "Most of the increase in the air's concentration of greenhouse gases from human activities—over 80 percent—occurred after the 1940s. That means that the strong early 20th century warming must be largely, if not entirely, natural."[25]"The coincident changes in the sun's changing energy output and temperature records on earth tend to argue that the sun has driven a major portion of the 20th century temperature change."[25] "[T]he recent warming trend in the surface temperature record cannot be caused by the increase of human-made greenhouse gases in the air."[26][not in citation given]

                                                                                                                                                          • Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa said in a 2004 newspaper letter:"That portion of the scientific community that attributes climate warming to CO2 relies on the hypothesis that increasing CO2, which is in fact a minor greenhouse gas, triggers a much larger water vapour response to warm the atmosphere. This mechanism has never been tested scientifically beyond the mathematical models that predict extensive warming, and are confounded by the complexity of cloud formation – which has a cooling effect. ... We know that [the sun] was responsible for climate change in the past, and so is clearly going to play the lead role in present and future climate change. And interestingly... solar activity has recently begun a downward cycle."[27]

                                                                                                                                                          • Chris de Freitas, Associate Professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland said in a 2006 newspaper article: "There is evidence of global warming. ... But warming does not confirm that carbon dioxide is causing it. Climate is always warming or cooling. There are natural variability theories of warming. To support the argument that carbon dioxide is causing it, the evidence would have to distinguish between human-caused and natural warming. This has not been done."[28]

                                                                                                                                                          • David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester was reported to have said in a 2007 paper in the International Journal of Climatology: "The observed pattern of warming, comparing surface and atmospheric temperature trends, does not show the characteristic fingerprint associated with greenhouse warming. The inescapable conclusion is that the human contribution is not significant and that observed increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases make only a negligible contribution to climate warming."[29]

                                                                                                                                                          • Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University said in a 2006 presentation to the Geological Society of America: "Glaciers advanced from about 1890–1920, retreated rapidly from ~1925 to ~1945, readvanced from ~1945 to ~1977, and have been retreating since the present warm cycle began in 1977. ... Because the warming periods in these oscillations occurred well before atmospheric CO2 began to rise rapidly in the 1940s, they could not have been caused by increased atmospheric CO2, and global warming since 1900 could well have happened without any effect of CO2. If the cycles continue as in the past, the current warm cycle should end soon and global temperatures should cool slightly until about 2035, then warm about 0.5 °C from ~2035 to ~2065, and cool slightly until 2100."[30]

                                                                                                                                                          • William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University said in a 2006 newspaper interview: "I am of the opinion that [global warming] is one of the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the American people."[31]

                                                                                                                                                          • William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy, Princeton University said in a 2006 newspaper interview: "All the evidence I see is that the current warming of the climate is just like past warmings. In fact, it's not as much as past warmings yet, and it probably has little to do with carbon dioxide, just like past warmings had little to do with carbon dioxide"[32]

                                                                                                                                                          • William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology wrote in a 2004 article and book: "There has been a real climate change over the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries that can be attributed to natural phenomena. Natural variability of the climate system has been underestimated by IPCC and has, to now, dominated human influences."[33]

                                                                                                                                                          • David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware wrote in a 2006 article for the National Center for Policy Analysis: "About half of the warming during the 20th century occurred prior to the 1940s, and natural variability accounts for all or nearly all of the warming."[34]

                                                                                                                                                          • Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa said in 2005: Global warming "is the biggest scientific hoax being perpetrated on humanity. There is no global warming due to human anthropogenic activities. The atmosphere hasn’t changed much in 280 million years, and there have always been cycles of warming and cooling. The Cretaceous period was the warmest on earth. You could have grown tomatoes at the North Pole"[35]

                                                                                                                                                          • Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and Professor of Geology at Carleton University in Canada said in a 2007 newspaper article: "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years. On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"[36][37]

                                                                                                                                                          • Ian Plimer, Professor emeritus of Mining Geology, The University of Adelaide said in a 2002 television debate: "Natural climate changes occur unrelated to carbon dioxide contents. We've had many, many times in the recent past where we've rapidly gone into a greenhouse and the carbon dioxide content has been far, far lower than the current carbon dioxide content... It looks as if carbon dioxide actually follows climate change rather than drives it".[38]

                                                                                                                                                          • Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University said in a 2010 article originally written for the Italian magazine La Chimica e l’Industria (Chemistry and Industry): "At least 60% of the warming of the Earth observed since 1970 appears to be induced by natural cycles which are present in the solar system. A climatic stabilization or cooling until 2030–2040 is forecast by the phenomenological model."[39][40]

                                                                                                                                                          • Tom Segalstad, head of the Geology Museum at the University of Oslo said in a 2007 presentation to the 9th International Symposium on Mining in the Arctic: "The IPCC's temperature curve (the so-called 'hockey stick' curve) must be in error, because the Medieval warm period (the "Climate Optimum") and the Little Ice Age both are absent from their curve, on which the IPCC bases its future projections and recommended mitigation. All measurements of solar luminosity and 14C isotopes show that there is at present an increasing solar radiation which gives a warmer climate (Willson, R.C & Hudson, H.S. 1991: The Sun's luminosity over a complete solar cycle. Nature 351, 42–44; and Coffey, H.E., Erwin, E.H. & Hanchett, C.D.: Solar databases for global change models. www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/solarda3.html). Warmer climate was previously perceived as an optimum climate and not catastrophic. ... On a wet basis the Earth's atmosphere consists by mass of ~73.5% nitrogen, ~22.5% oxygen, ~2.7% water, and ~1.25% argon. CO2 in air is in minimal amount, ~0.05% by mass, and with minimal capacity (~2%) to influence the "Greenhouse Effect" compared to water vapor"[41]

                                                                                                                                                          • Nir Shaviv, astrophysicist at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem said in a 2006 online essay: "[T]he truth is probably somewhere in between [the common view and that of skeptics], with natural causes probably being more important over the past century, whereas anthropogenic causes will probably be more dominant over the next century. ... [A]bout 2/3's (give or take a third or so) of the warming [over the past century] should be attributed to increased solar activity and the remaining to anthropogenic causes."[42]

                                                                                                                                                          • Fred Singer, Professor emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia said in a 2005 award acceptance speech: "The greenhouse effect is real. However, the effect is minute, insignificant, and very difficult to detect."[43] Also in a 2006 television program: “It’s not automatically true that warming is bad, I happen to believe that warming is good, and so do many economists.”[44]

                                                                                                                                                          • Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics was reported to have said in a 2003 paper for Energy & Environment: "there's increasingly strong evidence that previous research conclusions, including those of the United Nations and the United States government concerning 20th century warming, may have been biased by underestimation of natural climate variations. The bottom line is that if these variations are indeed proven true, then, yes, natural climate fluctuations could be a dominant factor in the recent warming. In other words, natural factors could be more important than previously assumed."[45]

                                                                                                                                                          • Roy Spencer, principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville said in 2008 testimony to a US Senate committee: "I predict that in the coming years, there will be a growing realization among the global warming research community that most of the climate change we have observed is natural, and that mankind’s role is relatively minor".[46]

                                                                                                                                                          • Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center said in a 2007 paper for Astronomy & Geophysics: "The case for anthropogenic climate change during the 20th century rests primarily on the fact that concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases increased and so did global temperatures. Attempts to show that certain details in the climatic record confirm the greenhouse forcing (e.g. Mitchell et al. 2001) have been less than conclusive. By contrast, the hypothesis that changes in cloudiness obedient to cosmic rays help to force climate change predicts a distinctive signal that is in fact very easily observed, as an exception that proves the rule."[47]

                                                                                                                                                          • Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, Professor Emeritus from University of Ottawa said in a paper published in Geoscience Canada in 2005: "At this stage, two scenarios of potential human impact on climate appear feasible: (1) the standard IPCC model that advocates the leading role of greenhouse gases, particularly of CO2, and (2) the alternative model that argues for celestial phenomena as the principal climate driver. The two scenarios are likely not even mutually exclusive, but a prioritization may result in different relative impact. Models and empirical observations are both indispensable tools of science, yet when discrepancies arise, observations should carry greater weight than theory. If so, the multitude of empirical observations favours celestial phenomena as the most important driver of terrestrial climate on most time scales, but time will be the final judge."[48]
                                                                                                                                                            #179.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:40 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                                                            Skeptic Argument:
                                                                                                                                                            It's volcanoes causing global warming

                                                                                                                                                            Answer: FALSE
                                                                                                                                                            On average, Man releases at least 100 times more greenhouse gases than volcanoes do. Volcanoes are also big emitters of sulpher oxides, which cause cooling. Scientists had a good chance to study the effects of volcanoes when the large eruption in the Phillipines happened in the 90s.

                                                                                                                                                            Scientists can distinguish between carbon from humans burning fossil fuels and carbon from volcanoes, or other natural sources. The carbon in the gases, released when fossil fuels are burned, is a different carbon isotope than the carbon from those other sources.

                                                                                                                                                              Reply#180 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:41 PM EDT
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