July is hottest month on record; drought expands to 63 percent of United States

More than half of the country experienced "moderate to exceptional" drought conditions at the end of July, the hottest month ever recorded. And the impact of this hot weather has been felt across the nation as crops shrivel and wildfires rage out of control. NBC's Rehema Ellis reports.

It may come as little surprise with this summer's sweaty nights and blistering days across much of the country, but July marked the hottest month on record for the contiguous United States, according to government scientists. Furthermore, drought now covers nearly 63 percent of the Lower 48 states, where average precipitation is 0.19 inch below average.

A bit of hope, though, was seen for some crops in the Midwest thanks to cooler temperatures and rain.


According to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the average temperature across the contiguous United States in July was 77.6 Fahrenheit, a full 3.3 degrees above the 20th century average.

The previous warmest July was in 1936, when the nation's average temperature was 77.4 degrees.

The hot July contributed to a record-warm first seven months of the year and the warmest 12-month period the nation has experienced since accurate record keeping started in 1895.

Virginia experienced its warmest July on record, with a statewide temperature a whopping 4 F above average. In all, 32 states had July temperatures among its 10 warmest, with seven states having their second warmest July on record.

While heat and extreme events such as drought and wildfires are often associated with global warming and climate change, it's unclear if the latest pattern is part of a much larger trend. 

Related: Drought socks crops despite recent showers 

"These events are kind of what we'd expect with climate change, we'd expect expanding drought, we'd expect warm, record breaking temperatures," Jake Crouch, a NOAA climate scientist, told NBC News. "But it's kind of hard to pinpoint this month or past several months as a telltale sign that climate change is happening. The drought is more of a local factor and isn't necessarily driven by large scale climate change, but is impacting local temperatures. But we've also seen an increase in U.S. temperatures overall."

Still, there's no doubt this summer is taking a human toll, with warmer nights making it difficult for some people to sleep, and causing physical stress, Crouch said.

And the drought rollls on, with drier-than-average conditions continuing across the Central Plains and Midwest. Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, and Missouri had July precipitation totals ranking among their 10 driest.

Some rain and cooler temperatures in the drought-stricken Midwest, however, are expected to provide relief for late-season soybeans, but the change in the weather is arriving too late to help the already severely damaged corn crop, an agricultural meteorologist said on Wednesday. 

"It's definitely better than what we've had but I'd be hesitant to call it a drought-buster. Longer-term outlooks still look like a return to warm and dry," said Jason Nicholls, meteorologist for AccuWeather. 

Related: Blame blistering heat waves on global warming, study says

Nicholls said up to three-quarters of an inch of rain, with locally heavier amounts, was expected in roughly 75 percent of the Midwest from Wednesday through Friday morning, and a similar weather system is expected next week.

Though the heat can be uncomfortable, not everyone is complaining. “The heat is definitely a blessing for us after coming off the warm, dry winter without a lot of weather events,” Alan Ayers, general manager at Crisafulli Brothers Plumbing and Heating Contractors in Albany, told The Associated Press.

The 73-year-old company has seen an 18 percent increase in new air conditioner installations over last year and has its 16 technicians working long hours to install, replace and repair units taxed by the swelter.

A storm pattern in the Southwest contributed to California's fifth wettest July on record and Nevada experiencing its eighth wettest, NOAA said. Wetter-than-average conditions were also reported through the rest of the Southwest, along the western Gulf Coast, and through the Ohio Valley where West Virginia had its tenth wettest July.

The warm and dry conditions over a large swath of the United States were seen as ideal wildfire conditions, NOAA said. More than 2 million acres burned nationwide in July because of wildfires. That is nearly half a million acres above average, and the fourth most on record since 2000.

Over the weekend the fires that burned across the state damaged nearly 94,000 acres and on Monday a body was found in a Norman home. NBC's Gabe Gutierrez reports.

The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.

 

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While we roast here in America the Antarctic Ice caps continue to grow ... for those of you that are too dumb to understand, ice caps are cold ... poor little man-made global warming propagandists.

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Reply#111 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:11 PM EDT

Panther, you might want to reconsider putting your opinions out there in such an insulting, childish way, because you will eventually learn that you are simply wrong. I know you can't conceive of that possibility, but I'm just trying to save you some embarrassment.

    #111.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:13 PM EDT

    Look it up Goober, it has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion or how I feel and everything to do with scientific data ... sorry dummy.

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    #111.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:20 PM EDT

    Measurements of the entire ice sheet from 1993 to 2003 have ranged from 50 gigatons (Gt) growth per year to 200 Gt loss per year, according to the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report (IPCC AR4). But overall, the trend is towards loss of ice. Even with the higher uncertainty for Antarctica compared to Greenland, the AR4 concludes that "losses from… Antarctica have very likely contributed to sea level rise".

    This is real science.

      #111.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:22 PM EDT

      Panther, your need to rsort to insults doe snot help your credibility. The science of antrhopogenic global warming is actually quite strong. I don't fault people for not knowing that, but I do fault them for insulting the people who do.

        #111.4 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:26 PM EDT

        A report from the US National Snow and Ice Data Center in Colorado finds that Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007. But didn't we hear from the same Center that the North Pole was set to disappear by now? We all deserve apologies from the global warming fanatics who wanted to reshape the world in their image and called those who objected to their wild theories ignorant deniers. They were so convinced the world was ending and only they could save it, yet now they have been exposed as at best wildly idealistic and at worst frauds. They should have to do public penance for their hubris. I suggest they sit on blocks of melting ice and ponder their limitations. Either that or let the polar bears deal with them ...

        This is real ice Jethro ... sorry.

          #111.5 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:29 PM EDT

          Panther, it is dishonest to cherry pick two points in time that support your pre-conceived biases. The long-term trend for both global warming and the reduction in arctic sea ice is becoming increasingly obvious.

            #111.6 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:38 PM EDT

            Panther Hunter, why does the US National Snow and Ice Data Center constanly refer to global warming in their articles? Didn't they hear you proved it is a hoax?

              #111.7 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:40 PM EDT

              Panther Hunter, you left this out, from the US National Snow and Ice Data Center:

              Some research suggests that the changes in Antarctic sea ice—both where it is increasing and where it is decreasing—are caused in part by a strengthening of the westerly winds that flow unhindered in a circle above the Southern Ocean. “Antarctic sea ice is governed more by wind than by temperature,” said NSIDC lead scientist Ted Scambos. “The effects of climate change play out differently in the southern hemisphere than the northern hemisphere.”

              Scientists say that this westerly wind pattern has grown stronger in recent years as a result of climate change. However, because Antarctic sea ice is so vulnerable to the changes in both the atmosphere and ocean, researchers are also looking at other climate patterns, such as the high latitude response to El Niño-Southern Oscillation, as well as the effects of changing ocean temperature and circulation, to understand how Antarctic sea ice is changing.

              Stammerjohn and other scientists say that declining sea ice around the Antarctic Peninsula probably helps destabilize continental ice in that area by allowing the air above the ocean in that region to warm more than before. These continental ice areas are shrinking and therefore contributing to sea level rise. Stammerjohn said, “Though it is true that, on average, Antarctic sea ice is not changing, or even slightly increasing, the overall average hides a very large regional decrease that could have global consequences.”

                #111.8 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:43 PM EDT

                Just A Normal Person, "IPCC", You got to be kidding , Right? IPCC is nothing more then another United Nations clearing house, (UNEP,WMO), with their own clear agenda. Anything in relation to the U.N. is irrelavent and needs to be pointed out as pure BS. Their "Opinion" is not the only one and just because they say it is does not make it so.

                  #111.9 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:43 PM EDT

                  PantherHunter, why do you only provide the isolated facts that support your denial but ignore the vast amount of facts that support global warming? Are you ever embarassed by your dishonesty?

                    #111.10 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:47 PM EDT

                    Rvon, you are saying scientific measurements are a UN conspiracy?

                      #111.11 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:49 PM EDT

                      You mean all of your hypothesis?

                      I am only interested in the real data dummy, not what you or any other shill wants to contemplate and hypothesize about ... thanks for trying to force your fallacies on me though!

                        #111.12 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:53 PM EDT

                        Panther, if you were actually interested in the real data, then you would know that it supports anthropogenic global warming. The fact that you are so sure this can't be the case just proves that you have no knowledge or interest in the real data.

                          #111.13 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:05 PM EDT

                          Normal Person, nope I'm saying the U.N. is a conspiracy and they should be labeled as such. 20 of their so called IPCC U.N. scientists push it where over 1000 international scientists (Climate Depot Report, easy enough to find) call it an error,(Some of that 1000 being current or previous IPCC U.N. scientists). I'm not even saying there is no global warming going on, I'm saying there is a conspiracy that goes back to those that are cashing in on the phenomena to bend it to their own agenda, like "Carbon Credits", total BS.

                            #111.14 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:55 PM EDT
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                            Wow i guess all those on the right saying that global warming doesn't exist feel kinda dumb...

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                            Reply#112 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:11 PM EDT

                            nope.

                            it doesn't exist

                            but you keep up the good work for the socialist in the WH

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                            #112.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:14 PM EDT

                            Why would we feel dumb just because you losers continue on with your propaganda?

                            It's actually pretty funny, most of us just sit back and laugh at you stooges while you chase your tails...

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                            #112.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:16 PM EDT

                            Panther, we are laughing too. The difference is we will continue to be laughing when people finally accept the science of global warming.

                              #112.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:21 PM EDT

                              You are assuming they are smart enough to even recogize they are dumb.

                                #112.4 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:26 PM EDT

                                @restoreCapitalism

                                well I guess that 63% or the country will disagree since that's the amount of the country that is in drought

                                  #112.5 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:42 PM EDT
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                                  All I see here is the same old blah blah blah from hypocites who complain about climate change and then jump into their four+ passenger cars and drive to work all alone instead of taking the bus. If you don't want to take personal steps then stfu. You have NOTHING to say.

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                                  Reply#114 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:12 PM EDT

                                  The science is the science, regardless of what some people may drive.

                                    #114.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:15 PM EDT

                                    The science is flawed and there are thousands of scientists that attest to that fact every time their peers attempt to push out more of their bogus research and poorly correlated data ...

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                                    #114.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:19 PM EDT

                                    No, Panther, you are simply wrong. i know that is what the right-wing talking points tell you to say, but they are simply lying. Learn the science for yourself, if you dare.

                                      #114.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:23 PM EDT
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                                      Big Deal. The "records" go back only about 200 years. That's not even close to establishing a trend considering that the Earth has existed for billions of years. It's summer. It's hot. It's maybe even a little hotter in some places than most of us can remember. But it's not the end of the world. We simply have to figure out how to adjust. And we will.

                                        Reply#115 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:13 PM EDT

                                        "Climate" is a trend encompassing several decades. We have plenty of data to show that the climate has been warming, but that isn;t even the main issue. The important issue is WHY it is warming and what will happen in the future dpending on the decisions we make.

                                          #115.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:17 PM EDT

                                          You don't know enough about science to know there are other ways other than taking temperature reading to determine past temperatures and climates. Ignorance is bliss.

                                            #115.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:29 PM EDT
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                                            Here is an informative graph where drought is plotted in comparison to temperature anomaly. There is absolutely no correlation between temperature and drought.

                                            This was created using drought data from NCDC and the temperature data from NASA's James Hansen.

                                            http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/michaels_pdsi-vs-gistemp_scatterplot.png

                                            http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/07/editorial-hansen-is-simply-wrong-and-a-complete-and-abject-failure/

                                            So it can be hot/dry, or hot/wet, or cool/dry or cool/wet all equally according to records.

                                            As far as hottest July ever? The contiguous United States is what, about 4% of the globe surface area? Alaska just had its 4th coolest July on record. The UK just had its coolest July in 12 years.

                                            People are trying to take a little bit of localized warming in the lower 48 and pretending that the entire Earth is hot. It isn't.

                                            People can learn why the US is hot right now here. It is all about the wind patterns in the Arctic. They switched from zonal flow to meridional flow. That lets warm air from the equator move north in some areas (US) and lets Arctic air move south in other areas (Alaska and UK).

                                            http://drtimball.com/2012/current-global-weather-patterns-normal-despite-government-and-media-distortions/

                                            Then there are the "adjustments" that are made to the raw data that cools the past and warms the present. Studies have proven that the Urban Heat Island effect (UHI) artificially raises temps on cities and then those already corrupt records are adjusted upward instead of downward. Rural temperature readings do not show the warming that cities show. At least half if not two thirds of the warming is due to UHI and "adjustments".

                                            Here is a good reference on the adjusting that is taking place. A lot of it shows the changes over the years. Earlier graphs "pre-alarmist adjustment" and after alarmist adjustments. These are (were) official but newer graphs have been manipulated so much they aren't even close to what they used to be.

                                            http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/data-tampering-at-ushcngiss/

                                            Hard to understand why the older temperature readings that have fewer artificial influences (man made structures like roads and buildings) are adjusted colder while the newer temperature readings that are influenced by cars engines, jet engines, more roads, runways, barbeque pits, air conditioning units, buildings etc are adjusted even hotter. Makes no sense unless you are trying to hoodwink people.

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                                            Reply#117 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:14 PM EDT

                                            As far as hottest July ever? The contiguous United States is what, about 4% of the globe surface area? Alaska just had its 4th coolest July on record. The UK just had its coolest July in 12 years.

                                            left tards are so fukin dumb

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                                            #117.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:17 PM EDT

                                            Yea, cause you're so phuking smart. Asswipe

                                              #117.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:19 PM EDT

                                              Yea, cause you're so phuking smart. Asswipe

                                              can't argue there.

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                                              #117.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:19 PM EDT

                                              Restore, what part of the word "global" do you not understand? The earth is warming according to 98% of climate scientists. But of course you know better because you are so smart and well educated. Tell us again who is dumb.

                                                #117.4 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:22 PM EDT

                                                Restore, got to hand it to you, you sure are articulate and persuasive. How did you learn to be so convincing?

                                                  #117.5 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:25 PM EDT

                                                  Other than my brother who is a NOAA meteorologist, I've never heard any media source describe how these "adjustments" and "urban heat islands" are the biggest drivers of global warming data.

                                                  Well said ecokiller!

                                                    #117.6 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:26 PM EDT

                                                    Except that people have controlled for the urban heat island effect, and it doesn;t change the conclusion. Even the Koch-funded study admitted that.

                                                      #117.7 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:35 PM EDT

                                                      That is an out and out bald faced lie you miserable little lying puke ... get a life loser.

                                                        #117.8 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:56 PM EDT

                                                        Zorro.... Not trying to beabusive, just pointing out the fact that according to the Climate Depot Report made up by over 1000 International scientists, (Many current or previous IPCC members) say that the IPCC's report on Climate change is based on unreliable sources and is in fact a pile of BS. Now 1000 scientists disclaiming the 20 scientists at IPCC make it like 5% of them claiming the unproven facts are real and 95% of them saying it's all BS. 98% as you say, I don't think so.

                                                          #117.9 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:21 PM EDT
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                                                          I remember when the climate never changed, but I was born about ten, make that eleven, minutes ago.

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                                                          Reply#118 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:15 PM EDT

                                                          Shocking information for both Atheists and global warming skeptics. This explains global warming, little known fact--the dead don't know they're dead! Well, you're dead--this is hell!

                                                            Reply#119 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:21 PM EDT

                                                            Last month I had a 104 degree temperature, chills, aches, and I was running to the bathroom to vomit every 30 minutes. My wife insisted I had the flu. I had to patiently explain to her that there are many reasons a person may vomit and that by itself, was not 'proof' of me having the flu. There are also many reasons for chills, fever, and body aches. So each, in isolation, are not 'proof' of the flu. Therefore, not only did I not have the flu, there is no 'proof' that influenza exists at all. I think it's all a conspiracy from those doctors with their fancy medical degrees trying to steal my money by making me get a flu shot. And we all know that flu shots give you the autism. Now excuse me, I have to get back to my FOX News so I can be a more informed voter and citizen.

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                                                            Reply#120 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:23 PM EDT

                                                            Counties spend millions of dollars to remove rain to the nearest river/ocean to prevent flooding. If they would just create underground cisterns interconnected to hold the water and allow it to perk into the ground naturally with a builtin over flow to the river/ocean. This would aid the counties in preventing drought conditions. Evaporative cooling is what cools the air. Most of the air cooling is from the air passing over the leaves of trees. The planting of trees would aid in the cooling process. Food for thought.

                                                              Reply#121 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:23 PM EDT

                                                              You guys making rude and silly comments back and forth. Next year, our food supply will be exhausted, power grid will collapse, oceans dying, society in chaos and you guys will be frustrated because the internet will be down and you have no way to post the stupid dribbles that comes from your brains, that for some reason you think is amazing. Remember Nero fiddling while Rome burned. Yes, I know he didn't have a fiddle. I'm sure you believe someone actually cares to read your inane dribbles, while our planet bakes.

                                                                Reply#122 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:24 PM EDT

                                                                Only an idiot would read these comments-right --I know I'm an idiot, I'm a troll! --What's you're excuse?

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                                                                #122.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:27 PM EDT
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                                                                It not really hot... its a myth. It will keep being a myth until its so f*&# obvious you could take a stupid f&*& rethug and mash their face in the truth. Of course by that point we will be too far gone. Reminds me of how long it took to overcome the misinformation about cigarettes. There were people as late as the late 90s saying cigs were not that bad for your health.

                                                                See that giant tumor rotting you lung out, thats because of cigarettes. That's about how it will sound. The deniers will come around just about when Boston and NYC are under 3 feet of water.

                                                                  Reply#123 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:25 PM EDT

                                                                  I hope you play music better than your posts - your a snobbish BOOR !

                                                                    Reply#125 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:27 PM EDT

                                                                    rainfall 0.19inch below average is not that much. I think the scientists got their knickers in the knot.

                                                                      Reply#126 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:28 PM EDT

                                                                      If that were a long-term change it would be quite signirfcant for a regional climate.

                                                                        #126.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:33 PM EDT

                                                                        if average rainfall in mid west is 65 inches per annum 0.19 inches surely dont cause a drought, thats why i say these scientist got there knickers in the knot. Or maybe its another one of those MSNBC misquotes.

                                                                          #126.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:36 PM EDT

                                                                          So , help me understand here, untoryodi.

                                                                          Are you saying there isn't any drought ?

                                                                          Have you asked the farmers about that ?

                                                                            #126.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:42 PM EDT

                                                                            Hank what i am saying is that the figure qouted in the beginning of the article is probably wrong. we all know their is a drought. They probably meant to say 19inches below, that would be understandable

                                                                              #126.4 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:45 PM EDT
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                                                                              Wow, the Second Highest July ever was in 1936, only .2 degrees cooler than today's--who knew they were causing so much global warming back then?

                                                                              Dang that FDR! why didn't he care about the children more?

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                                                                              Reply#127 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:29 PM EDT

                                                                              The heat wave in the 1930'sa whs not as much a global phenomenon. But yes, global warming has happened many times before; everyone is aware of that. So?

                                                                                #127.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:31 PM EDT

                                                                                up to this point, I hadn't known how much FDR hated children

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                                                                                #127.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:35 PM EDT
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                                                                                Your fear is palpable. Deny, blame, cook up conspiracy theories, anything but face facts. Did you really mean to expose your cowardice?

                                                                                Climate models are based on data. You don't know what's involved in collecting data, so you claim it's invalid. Did you really mean to expose your ignorance?

                                                                                Then someone has to think. But thinking is for geeks, dorks, nerds, brainiacs, & other losers. Did you really mean to expose your stupidity?

                                                                                Substitute facts for belief, & replace faith with critical thinking. You'll be glad you did.

                                                                                  Reply#128 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:29 PM EDT

                                                                                  not following the fear angle on this one...they're scared of...what?...so they deny global warming. They're scared of global warming so they deny it? They're scared of...?

                                                                                    #128.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:46 PM EDT
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                                                                                    It's moot not mute...Republicans.

                                                                                    Republican govenors are begging for a bailout for farmers over this normal summer. I guess you can't bail GM but the farm business can be bailed out.

                                                                                      Reply#130 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:31 PM EDT

                                                                                      No bailouts.

                                                                                      If you're a bank, farm business, auto manufacturer, and you had some really good years in the past, but today, you'll go bust if you don't get a government handout...

                                                                                      DROP DEAD!

                                                                                      Maybe you should have saved up some of that profit in the good times (especially the banks) as an emergency fund. Either way, business has to sink or swim on its own.

                                                                                        #130.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:37 PM EDT
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                                                                                        I guess no one noticed it's been cold and wet in Europe this year and that Asia is cold wet to the point of record floods. Weather is cyclical hot here cold there globally it averages out. I above all want a clean world but we are not killing it. we may be killing ourselves but the Earth is fine. After we are gone the Earth will eraseany trace we ever existed. Then in 4.5-5 billion years our sun will super nova and our tiny little solar system will no longer exist. So live and be happy because unless we find a way to leave this plant it doesn't matter any way.

                                                                                          Reply#131 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:31 PM EDT

                                                                                          Globally it doesn't average out. It's getting hotter all over on average.

                                                                                          I'm not a doomsayer. I'm not a tree-hugger asking anyone to give up their air conditioners. I crank mine down into the mid 60's at night because I like a cold room. I also work in the oil industry, so I know who's paying for my shoes. However, I'm a realist, and I think you're fooling yourself or being disingenuous if you suggest that we're not harming the balance of things.

                                                                                          Yeah, someday Earth will cook in the sun, but someday your car will break down, too. Do you just stop changing the oil because it won't matter in the end? Or do you do your best to take care of it and get as much use out of it as you can?

                                                                                          I don't think we need to drop everything and "SAVE THE EARTH!" I kind of like my job. I just think it's ridiculous that some people still believe that we're not having an effect on the heating of this world.

                                                                                            #131.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:35 PM EDT

                                                                                            Wow, science by a right winger? I thought sure we were gonna get Jesus will be coming soon from you anti science idiots.

                                                                                              #131.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:36 PM EDT

                                                                                              The key here is "wet". Humidity is a better measure of heat than temperature. For temperature to mean anything you need the air pressure, speed, direction, cloud cover, humidity, & baselines from past similar conditions. Water vapor is thin, a molecular weight of only 18. Air is dense at an average weight of 27. Plain common sense: It takes a lot of heat to force a thin gas into a dense one.

                                                                                                #131.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:40 PM EDT

                                                                                                WHT: I'm more of a liberative or conserveral.

                                                                                                  #131.4 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:52 PM EDT
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                                                                                                  Isn't this the part of the movie where the audience thinks "can't they see it coming".

                                                                                                  Climate change means that the the temps, rain fall, etc. patterns change. The food we depend on won't grow where we plant it. Wheat, corn, etc. have evolved to grow with the right amount of sun, rain, just the right temps during the day and night. Polar ice is melting and the sea levels are rising. 80% of the worlds population lives close to a waterway. Where do you think they are going to move to? Food production will be so interrupted it will take generations to settle down. The ensuring change will cause food shortages, power shortages, lack of living space and all will be followed by war and plagues. Billions will die.

                                                                                                  Sound bad? Think I'm just being overly dramatic? Maybe, but those are the likely outcomes of global climate change - whether man is causing it or it's 'just happening'. If we don't start making plans, working on solutions to mitigate the damage our species is in trouble. It's up to us to decide just how bad it will be on the human race. The Repubs are currently going on and on about leaving our kids with all this debt. Well, what do you think the kids will feel like when we leave them with a sick planet and no infrastructure to survive? Think they will really care about 'debt' if they have no food?

                                                                                                    Reply#132 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:33 PM EDT

                                                                                                    dsb, It's more than a little arrogant to think that we, insignificant little humans can destroy this planet by driving SUV's. Get real.

                                                                                                      #132.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:38 PM EDT
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                                                                                                      So, dummies, if this warming is normal how can you call it a disaster? Since it was predictable and therefore should have been planned for by farmers and states.

                                                                                                      But you can bet Republican govenors are begging for federal dollars under "disaster' relief. No, just a normal consequence of farming, droughts, get irrigation dummies.

                                                                                                        Reply#134 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:34 PM EDT

                                                                                                        wht3, Irrigation is'nt available on uneven ground. Plus the aquifer that irrigates most of Kansas and Nebraska, is severely depleted.

                                                                                                          #134.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:40 PM EDT
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                                                                                                          Myth: Rising CO2 levels cause temperatures to rise.

                                                                                                          Temperatures over time have fluctuated while CO2 levels have remained steady. What's more, temperature increases have historically led increases in CO2 levels.

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                                                                                                          Reply#135 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:35 PM EDT

                                                                                                          Please cite your source. That sounds like fake data, and I'd like to verify it.

                                                                                                            #135.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:41 PM EDT

                                                                                                            google:

                                                                                                            H. Leighton Steward

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                                                                                                            #135.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:43 PM EDT

                                                                                                            Those are common denier talking points that as usual misunderstand the science. Temperature and CO2 levels are strongly correlated, but not exactly so because many other factors affect climate, especially in the short term.

                                                                                                            As for the which came first, the graph you refer to shows that indeed the Milankovich cycles started a small temperature increase before the CO2 signal stated, then this warmer temperature resulted in an increase in CO2 from the oceans, and from that point both temps and CO2 spiked upward together, in a positive feedback.

                                                                                                              #135.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:46 PM EDT

                                                                                                              Googled:

                                                                                                              H. Leighton Steward is the spokesman for front group Plants Need CO2 (the 501(c)(3) backed by coal baron Corbin Robertson) and the registrant of its PlantsNeedCO2.org website. According to its corporate Certificate of Formation[1], Steward is also a director at oil and gas company EOG Resources, formerly known as Enron Oil and Gas Company, where he earned $617,151 in 2008. Steward also serves as an honorary director of the American Petroleum Institute. [2]

                                                                                                              According to the "Plants Need CO2" website, Steward is "a geologist, environmentalist, author, and retired energy industry executive" who's interested in "helping to educate the general public and the politicians about the tremendous benefits of carbon dioxide (CO2) as it relates to the plant and animal kingdoms and their related ecosystems and habitats, and the general health of humanity".

                                                                                                              What a bunch of crap. I'm going to put out a study about how smoke is good for barbecue so that maybe we can get rid of all these pointless bans on indoor smoking.

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                                                                                                              #135.4 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:49 PM EDT

                                                                                                              H. Leighton Steward is the spokesman for front group Plants Need CO2 (the 501(c)(3) backed by coal baron Corbin Robertson) and the registrant of its PlantsNeedCO2.org website. According to its corporate Certificate of Formation, Steward is also a director at oil and gas company EOG Resources, formerly known as Enron Oil and Gas Company, where he earned $617,151 in 2008. Steward also serves as an honorary director of the American Petroleum Institute.

                                                                                                              According to the "Plants Need CO2" website, Steward is "a geologist, environmentalist, author, and retired energy industry executive" who's interested in "helping to educate the general public and the politicians about the tremendous benefits of carbon dioxide (CO2) as it relates to the plant and animal kingdoms and their related ecosystems and habitats, and the general health of humanity".

                                                                                                              Steward was previously President, Chairman and CEO of New Orleans-based oil and gas company Louisiana Land and Exploration Company. "Mr. Steward, who joined Louisiana Land in 1982, previously managed Burlington Northern's oil, gas and minerals activities. He also worked for the Shell Oil Company for 16 years. Mr. Steward is a geologist with degrees from Southern Methodist University...[He] is interested in protecting Louisiana's wetlands from erosion and serves with a number of oil industry groups."

                                                                                                                #135.5 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:51 PM EDT

                                                                                                                It is fake data even the comments on that website dispute it also that guy Steward was a former director of Enron hahahahaha @restoreCapitalism needs to restore an education or get better sources

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                                                                                                                #135.6 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:51 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                FiestyRedhead's back --rest of you may as well give up!I'm outa here before she kicks my azx again!

                                                                                                                  Reply#136 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:35 PM EDT

                                                                                                                  JUST PLUG your nose..you get used to the smell...lol

                                                                                                                    #136.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:56 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                    But, be comforted in the fact that there is no such thing as climate changed. Thank God! Oh, wait, climate change is real and God is not! My bad!

                                                                                                                      Reply#137 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:35 PM EDT

                                                                                                                      Myth: The planet Earth will be healthier with lower CO2 levels.

                                                                                                                      More CO2 is needed to bolster plant life, which turns the gas into oxygen while also providing food.

                                                                                                                        Reply#138 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:36 PM EDT

                                                                                                                        You know, of course, that no plant is starving for CO2, right?

                                                                                                                          #138.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:40 PM EDT

                                                                                                                          Nobody has made that claim. The problem is in the rate of change of greenhouse gasses, and therefore climate. It is the rate of chnage that disrupts ecosystems and human poulations and causes suffering and enormous financial loss.

                                                                                                                            #138.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:41 PM EDT

                                                                                                                            You clueless fool. There was already plenty of CO2 in the atmosphere. More than enough for all the world's plants. It's the additional CO2 that's causing the problems. Yes, I think it would be healthier if CO2 levels were reduced so that the ice caps and glaciers would stop melting away and causing ocean levels to rise. I believe people living in Miami, the Maldives, and Tuvalu would agree with that.

                                                                                                                              #138.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:44 PM EDT

                                                                                                                              'Jock"

                                                                                                                              Yeah, that's what happens when you live a rock filled with molten lava that is flying through space being constantly bombarded with radiation you yammering idiot ...

                                                                                                                                #138.4 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:45 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                Panther, I fail to see how your newest insults have anything to do with my comment. Are you denying that CO2 is a greenhouse gas? Just what exactly do you have a problem with?

                                                                                                                                  #138.5 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:51 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                                  My name is Professor Manure Shoveler Emeritus. It's so hot out there. How hot is it? It's so hot you can fry a chick fil a on the sidewalk. The sky is falling. The sky is falling. I need another multi million dollar grant from Osucker so I can keep driving my Jag and poking that blond in my Climate Change Warmed Over class.

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                                                                                                                                  Reply#139 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:39 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                  Didn't read the article, did you?

                                                                                                                                    #139.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:40 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                    He has no intention of reading anything. It gets in the way of insulting people.

                                                                                                                                      #139.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:42 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                      Yeah, when the article specifically says they have no idea if it is associated with global anything, you might want to shut up...unless you just really are fixated.

                                                                                                                                        #139.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:54 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                                        About this glabal warming thing,bogus, anyone think about how much sun activity there is right now.We are on a ten year high,sun spots are huge and that radiation is heading our way.Granted the earth is warming,but not because of our fossil fuels ,ALL NATURAL WARMING,dont let the no brain liberals tell you any differently.alot more activity on the sun now,maybe warming us up

                                                                                                                                          Reply#140 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:41 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                          Thank you for that enlightening post. 98% of the world's climate scientists are wrong, and you are right because you are so smart and well educated.

                                                                                                                                            #140.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:46 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                            No they are conservatives they don't use data there preacher tells them and they believe

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                                                                                                                                            #140.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:55 PM EDT

                                                                                                                                            Well, guys like Conservative Jim make me believe we really might be paying English teachers too much, if they passed him.

                                                                                                                                              #140.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:55 PM EDT
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