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Subscribe to RSSCEO Nancy Brinker stepped into a new management role – the latest fallout at breast cancer organization Susan G. Komen for the Cure after the foundation's decision to cut Planned Parenthood funding and then reinstate it. NBC's Lisa Myers reports.
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Liz Thompson announced she would step down as president of the Susan G. Komen Foundation in September.
The Susan G. Komen for the Cure shook up its top leadership Wednesday announcing the resignation of its president and shifting role for its CEO and founder, Nancy Brinker. Two members of its board of directors also announced their resignations.
Komen President Liz Thompson announced plans to leave the organization in September. Meanwhile, Komen Founder and CEO Nancy Brinker will shift to a new management role as chair of the Komen Board Executive Committee when the search for a new senior executive is finished.
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Komen also said that Brenda Lauderback and Linda Law, who have served on their board since 2008 and 2009 respectively, are leaving the board of directors.
"The legacy will continue," Thompson said in a released statement. "It has been a privilege and an honor to serve in this role."
Regarding new role, Brinker said, "I was asked by the Board in 2009 to assume the CEO role. Three years into that role, and 32 years after my promise to my sister to end breast cancer, I want to focus on Susan G. Komen's global mission and raising resources to bring our promise to women all around the world."
ARCHIVE VIDEO: Komen Foundation receives harsh backlash
The shakeup at the top comes after a controversial decision earlier this year by the national foundation to cut breast-cancer screening grants to Planned Parenthood.
The national Komen headquarters announced in January that it was pulling funding from Planned Parenthood because of a government investigation, citing a probe launched by a Florida congressman at the urging of anti-abortion groups. Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., wanted to look into accusations that Planned Parenthood had improperly used public funds for abortions.
Under fire, Komen CEO denies politics in Planned Parenthood cuts
Joshua Roberts / Reuters
Nancy G. Brinker founded the Susan G. Komen for the Cure in honor of her sister. She has been shifted to a new role, the foundation announced Wednesday.
Komen was blasted for the decison. Days later, the national organization reversed its position.
Cheryl Shaw, Executive Director of the Puget Sound Komen chapter, told KING 5 in February the local chapter was opposed to the funding guidelines from the beginning.
Did Komen overstate cancer screening benefits?
"When the decision became public, we wrote a letter to our national office and told them we were totally against this policy, that it had an adverse effect on our work here in the Puget Sound area and it really took us off of our mission,” Shaw said. “Our mission is to save lives and end breast cancer forever."
Unfortunately for Komen, its local chapters and the millions of women they support by promoting breast health and cancer screenings, the damage was done.
Editor’s Note: KING 5 is a sponsor of the 2012 Race for the Cure.
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Great cause! But, yawning story. We need to know this?
The Komen Group, just like the American Cancer Society and big pharma, exist to make money, not cure cancer. If they were truly concerned about curing or effectively treating cancer, they would have included and promoted the Burzynski Clinic in Texas, who for over 40 years has treated and cured three times more effectively than ANY conventional treatment center or big-pharma company. And they've done it without the overuse of chemo or radiation therapy and have consistently out-performed every other agency, hospital and drug company in existence.
These people don't truly care about curing cancer and they should be flatly rejected as legitimate.
Watch the documentary, Burzynski. The story of how every state and federal agency charged with providing effective medical care to cancer patients have consistently and persistently tried to shut down the Burzynski clinic and have always failed to do so. They have violated his rights and freedoms to protect big pharma profits and the over-inflated salaries of people like the ones in this article. Then, go check out his clinic and website and demand his treatments be made mainstream and insurance-covered. He's saved 3 times more people than any of these so-called cancer advocates and not only do his patients recover, they have ZERO remissions.
The state of medical treatment for cancer patients today is exactly the same as it was 30 years ago. Primitive. The design of the treatment equipment is fancier and looks ‘spiffy’ but it still uses the same technology of years gone past.
Now that is a fact. However the money spent looking for the "CURE" has gone in the largest part to the pockets of some zealots who claim they are "CLOSE TO THE CURE".
That is simply a huge lie. Let me say that another way. People who claim they are on the road for a CURE are liars, and damn good at lying.
For 30 years or more women of all faiths, sizes, shapes, religions and ethnicity have been ripped off by these 'charlatans' who are more interested in lining their pockets than in finding a cure.
It makes no financial sense to find a cure for cancer. None at all. There have been rumors that a few scientists working twenty five years ago at an UPJOHN lab in Portage, Michigan found a cure or at least an indicator of the path to the cure.
The word is that they were immediately transferred to other assignments, ordered to be silent and with implication that their 'retirement benefits' would be withheld upon retirement.
So much for the trustworthiness of the medical giants to find a cure. There is quite likely already a 'cure' and even a 'preventative drug' available. BUT the cancer treatment INDUSTRY is not having any part of revealing the truth.
They can milk the public for billions annually and they feel no remorse for their deception and outright lies.
Now you are reading this and saying what a buffoon! But twenty years from now when the news is out that there has been a cure for twenty five or thirty years none of you laughing scoffing and screwing up your faces in disgust will ever recall this message.
Count the number of unnecessary deaths because MONEY and GREED trumped humanitarian effort. I dare you.
This guy is a quack he is in it for the money and has not cured anyone. You are crazy if you let him treat you or a loved one for cancer. Be sure and check up on him before you ever give him a dime. He doesn't even see the patient after the first time to reel you in. His rights and freedoms have not been violated but his patients sure have and that is why he has investigations going on, he doesn't live by the doctors creed first and foremost do no harm, he is taking people hopes and taking away the precious time they could have had for a lot of money.
Burzynski=Quack
Josh, as a breast cancer survivor, I disagree that the treatment is same as thirty years ago. So please give the references of your "fact". Thank you.
So, Komen, if your mission is to save lives, why were you supporting an organization that was killing?
Komen made the decision to give money to America's largest abortion industry because that same industry says it does stuff regarding breast cancer. PP does not provide mammograms or anything else. All it does, with regards to breast cancer, is have untrained people people feel up women's hooters and, if they feel something, tell them they think they feel a lump and should go to a professional. By that point, if there is cancer, it's already advanced. Yup, that saves women's lives. When it decided to pull that money away (since it didn't save any woman's life), the PP supporters went wild because they want money so PP can continue to sell abortions (it doesn't give them away for free - it makes money off of them). Komen collapsed under the pressure and will continue to give money to PP to have untrained people feel up women's boobs when it's already too late. Meanwhile, PP can shift more money to a marketing thing to sell more abortions. No more money for Komen for me, no more trying to raise money by wearing pink crap. Komen doesn't care about women dying from breast cancer - it only cares about money. Think about it - if breast cancer is cured, no more money for Komen. You really think that money machine wants that?
How do we have certain comments removed for obscenity, like Jerry 1903677, who, in his all-seeing, all-knowing glory, believes there is something sexual and smutty going on in a breast exam at Planned Parenthood. Disgusting.
Jerry, hooter's and boobs are slang terms for breasts. Since we are not at a "gentleman's" club could you please use respectable language?
So far, the 2 most obnoxious comments have been written by men. Let me make this clear.
YOU HAVE NO STANDING. When you develop a uterus, ovaries, and the type of mammary cells most vulnerable to cancer, then perhaps your comments matter. Until that time, STFU.
I don't believe people like Jerry know respect, in language or anything else.
Jerry, re: your claims about Planned Parenthood - back it up, or shut up. According to research and reports I've read, your talking points are about as informed as your language.
...To: jkatze...since men have NO STANDING to comment...not only will i STFU as you say....I'll SHUT MY CHECKBOOK CLOSED the next time a woman asks for a donation...or to support them on a 3 day walk...or to walk/run with them to support this cause.
I find comments like jkatze just as offensive as comments along the line of Jerry. Men can and do understand women's health issues quite well, thank you.
Thank you, Stacey and Ed. It appears Komen is making some overdue personnel changes to depoliticize a mission that should not be political. I hope everyone can bury their hatchets and move forward, jaktze included.
Bill-857242, their mission is women health issues. Pregancy affects women's health. Extorting womens health issues like pap test, breast exams, STD testing and treatment is not.
Planned Parenthood health centers focus on prevention: 76 percent of their clients receive services to prevent unintended pregnancy.
Three percent of all Planned Parenthood health services are abortion services.
Out of one hundred women 76 get birth control and only 3 get a abortion. 76 is much larger than three right?
Planned Parenthood services help prevent more than 584,000 unintended pregnancies each year.
That means Planned Parenthood prevents almost 600K abortions each year. Less abortions is what you are shooting your month off about right?
Planned Parenthood provides nearly 770,000 Pap tests and nearly 750,000 breast exams each year, critical services in detecting cancer.
Planned Parenthood provides more than four million tests and treatments for sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
They treat menstruation problems, problems with menopause, ovarian cancer, urinary tract infections, yeast infections and vaginitis.
My sister was diagnosed with breast cancer at 34 and I had my first scare at 27, but I refuse to support Susan G.Komen after their attack on Planned Parenthood.
My money goes to Planned parenthood because I refuse to support the social conservative attack on PP that I used in college. If it is used for medical screenings that is fine with me but it is also fine with me if it is used for abortions and providing birth control. I make the choice for my body and I believe that every woman should make the choice for herself and not have it forced on her by politicians or religion.
If that is the case, then tell the govt. not to fund PP anymore. The rest of the country is tired of supporting a organization that uses govt. money to fund abortions. Pretty much everyone else is not opposed to the other services they offer, so it shouldn't be hard for them to move the abortion clinic into a separate building.
In other words, I refuse to support the liberal media attack on traditional family values and I would like to say to liberals that if this is the kind of organization you want to support, then do it with your own money and not my tax dollars!
Re:Unhappy
But its allright for our tax dollars to be used for wars we dont support or christain schools whos faith we are not believers in,when you say the rest of the country is tired of supporting who did you ask? the guy next door ?You certainly didnt ask the millions of women who use the service and pay taxes
jkatze - how ironic that you post about jerry' lack of respect but feel free to tell men that they have no standing, their comments don't matter, and to STFU. Way to be a poster child for respect! Women are not the only ones who get breast cancer - so do men. More importantly, few people get cancer in a vacuum. A woman's breast cancer affects her family and friends, and that group most likely includes men -- fathers, brothers, sons, and husbands who may be left to rear their children alone. So men have no standing? Complete bull$h!t, and for you to say so shows no respect for the men impacted by this disease.
Plus, men vote. Men donate. Telling men to STFU alienates those who can vote for programs to support research and for a woman's access to organizations like Planned Parenthood, as well as alienating those who can donate to this cause.
Until you get rid of your blinders and that chip on your shoulder, I suggest you take your own advice.
I cannot believe the crock of lies appearing here about women's health. Permit me to set the record straight.
1. No federal tax dollars are paying for any abortions. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.
2. Many states require separate PP buildings for abortion services. It is already sequestered quite well. Anyone who implies differently is lying.
3. Benjamin Franklin is NOT opposed to "traditional family values", nor is his writing part of any "liberal media attack". That's 2 huge lies.
The first person in US history to write an op-ed piece on abortion was Benjamin Franklin, nearly 50 years before the Declaration of Independence. According to Franklin, an abortion was every woman's right and should remain her secret. If any man dared so much as utter the word "abortion", Franklin said women who encounter that man in public should "run the risk" of grabbing him by his beard and "dashing him to the ground".
4. The "government" is in no way whatsoever "forcing" abortions on women. Admit the lie or show me the law that forces a woman to have an abortion against her will.
5. Liberals and conservatives alike support Planned Parenthood, and all of them support them with their own money.
Bottom line - if you don't approve of abortions, then for Pete's sake don't have one. But you may NOT restrict the religious liberty of others who understand that every woman has a constitutional right to as many abortions as she wishes. Let no one (especially men) threaten the constitutional rights of women.
I will never support this organization due to its donations for abortions under the guise of "Planned Parenthood"... ever.
hopeful, none of your tax dollars go to support Christian schools, but lots of my tax dollars go to support public schools which spend more time and money pushing anti-Christian social agendas than teaching academics; thus, a failed education system. Meanwhile, as I help support this ungodly, propaganda behemoth, I have to pay out the yang-yang for my child to get a quality education in a private school. We should be able to opt out of supporting your failed schools the same as you opt out of supporting successful Christian schools.
I believe in a woman's right to choose---whether to have sex or not, whether to have unprotected sex or not, whether to get pregnant. It is called personal responsibility. But that is asking too much of today's "modern" woman. So she sleeps around, has unprotected sex, gets pregnant because she is too sorry to be responsible, then takes the easy out of murdering an innocent child.
@ jkatze:
Apparently, you are no more informed about breast cancer, than the men you have attacked. You have no standing either, until you educate yourself on the subject you "stand for".
Men ALSO get BREAST CANCER!
"Sometimes it's best to keep your mouth closed and let others think you're a(an).....
than to open it and remove all doubt."
BTW...ignore the screen name. It's irrelevant. I am a woman.
men,i think (my own opinion)is that women have to live with all kinds of trauma from problems with their bodies and we as men have no right to interfere with their decisions.and for the guy threatning to put his checkbook away you are really an ass.and ladies go vote out the men who make laws holding you back because its not the 10th century.
tiredofthelunacy: You are incorrect, taxpayer money DOES go to Xian schools in one guise or another, subsidized lunch program, book purchases, etc., etc., not even mentioning the tax exemptionS. Check that out.
Nice that you say you believe in a woman's right to choose, then you break into your fantasies, mouthing Fox lies about women. Even if 1 out of 1,000 was irresponsible, that would make headlines on Fox. The only women that take chances are those who were not educated properly and in detail about their sexuality and the entire realm of womanhood. Talk to any Xian woman (girl) and their response is "sex is dirty," until they break away and get a clear, true picture of sexuality.
Komen Foundation was a front for the religious right-wing, always working under cover (no pun intended), sneakily entering their agenda under whatever guise is available. Each time, they blasphemy the very entity they're pushing, that is, pushing aside the Free Will that is a mainstay of Christianity, and putting themselves in God's place. Not surprising, President Obama and his Family endear and actually live their faith-based beliefs at a very much higher level than any religious leader. They accept the differences in humanity; they respect the dignity humanity.
@ConwayTwitter
Man or woman, that is a clever handle that I wish I'd thought of. Cheers!
Some men just like to stay abreast of women's issues. And, regarding your last sentence, how would you feel if a man told you to STFU? Tit for tat, so to speak.
You know what I'm tired of, Tiredofthelunacy? I'm tired of my tax dollars paying to subsidize the little fairy tales you people buy into and then (unconsitutionally) try to inject into my kids' public schools and post onto courthouse walls. I'm also tired of your little fairy tale factory raking in billions of dollars and not paying a bit of tax. The door opens both ways...you want the government to support your ridiculous religion but Zeus forbid if the government uses your tax dollars to actually help people in ways you're not smart enough to understand. Well, not all of us believe in your God and that's our constitutional right.
You people act like you're the only ones in the country who count and you judge everyone who isn't like you. I'm proud not to be like you and would be ashamed of anyone I knew who promoted the kind of ignorance and hatred you sit here and spew. Very christian of you. So, we can pull any and all federal funds from PP as long as we stop christian school subsidies and as long as your fairy tale factories start paying taxes. I don't want my tax dollars helping to raise a bunch of morons who get their science from a 2,000 year old group of barely literate, inbred savages.
To those of you who think Planned Parenthood doesn't provide actual health-care for women (and men too). I know for a FACT that you are INCORRECT! I have personally, and know other people of both genders who have received ACTUAL HEALTH-CARE (not abortions) at Planned Parenthood. So please stop trying to indicate otherwise, because you do not have your FACTS straight!
Please read my edited comment #2.26.
@ Sopranomom:
Thanks! :) I normally get blasted because people don't get the play on words! They usually make rude comments that I'm some backwoods hillbilly or that I'm a "twit".
Thank you for seeing it for what it is.
Cheers!
*Were* the funds improperly used for abortions???
no they were not.
Did they reverse their decision, and fund Planned Parenthood? So why keep attacking them for being careful?
cronewinter - link?
And didn't Planned Parenthood cause the death of a young woman last month during an abortion? (I mean, other than the death of that unborn child)
So why keep attacking them for being careful?
The foundation did not reverse their decision because they were "being careful".
They reversed their decision because of the backlash they received from their supporters.
As for the shake up, what has taken them so long?
So basically, the Komen foundation caved in to the liberal left.
Arthur66 -
When you have an abortion then you can talk about the subject. Until then, let the women decide for themselves about what to do with their bodies.
I'm sick to death of you holier than thou religious whackjobs telling us about abortions.
People die in hospitals when they shouldn't as well. What's your point?
No, they caved into the religious right by cutting breast cancer funding to planned parenthood. What they didn't expect, was the massive backlash by women and people that donated to them across the country.
You can have your version and we can have the truth. The choice is yours.
Breast cancer funding to Planned Parenthood? Now that's a joke! I'm sure the dead are still laughing.
"religious whackjobs"
I'm neither one.
Didn't a woman die during an abortion at Planned Parenthood last month?
According to Godless people, anybody who does believe is a "religious whackjob". That must be some of that tolerance, everybody is always talking about. I feel sorry for people like that!
Didn't someone die during a hospital procedure last month too?
Matter of fact, nearly 12,000 people die yearly due to unnecessary surgeries. Close to 7,000 people die yearly to prescription errors. Around 80,000 die in hospitals due to infections. Nearly 20,000 die to general hospital errors.
Believe it or not, hospital errors, poor medical care and all around poor performance places it in the top five reasons for death in the U.S..
Yes, a woman died after having an abortion in July. Your point?
@Highway Star, no, not all who believe are "religious whackjobs" but certainly some who believe are religious whackjobs.
So how many abortions are considered unnecessary surgeries? Close to 90%? Very few are due to the fact that the child is malformed or because it is an ectopic pregnancy.
Did that person really have to die for an "elective' surgery?
I didn't hear about that but 12 people died while going to a movie in Colorado.
Highway Star - its not their beliefs that make people "religious whackjobs" (though I really don't like that term either.) Its the insistence of some "believers" to impose their religious beliefs on everyone else.
Unhappy, no...your tax dollars do not fund abortions. As far as whether or not someone other than you has or wants an abortion...it's none of your god*amn business. Why are you so against abortion? Does it break your heart that there will be one less person in the world for you to hate?
Ask the correct question--not "didn't one woman die last week from an abortion?" The correct question is, "Before abortion was legal, how many women died each week from going to backroom, coathanger 'specialists?'"
I think abortion is wrong on many levels. I don't agree with it at all, but I don't make decisions for other women and what they do with their bodies. I only make decisions for what I do with mine. My decisions are what I live with. Others must live with theirs. (Please note that I have not included politics in this entry. However, I wish politicians on all sides would stay out of this issue. It is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.)
As for the Susan G. Komen Foundation, they made their beds, and they found out how uncomfortable they can be when they make them "wrong." I suspect that these resignations are due to the dramatic decrease in donations. The SGK Foundation has suffered losses for their strong-arm tactics, their willingness to SUE others for using a pink ribbon or for using the phrase "the cure." Their leaderships' paychecks also reflect where a good number of our donations USED to go, and it wasn't for research or the cure. Such foolishness and greed reaped what they sowed.
We will see how it goes. Breast cancer is a plague, and it definitely needs a cure.
I can understand those who are anti-abortion. But I find it distressing that many of those same people (including certain factions of a political party that shall remain unnamed) are also against contraception, sex ed in public schools, and financial aid for children born to women who can ill afford them, when access to any of the above could prevent those children from being born in the first place.
"Pro-life" - for the "unborn," but to hell with those already on the planet.
Once a woman becomes pregnant it isn't just "her body" any more. Is it only religious people who think murder of any life is wrong? If abortion isn't killing what is it?
Not only was there the Planned Parenthood debacle- they also got in trouble for using inaccurate numbers to oversell mammograms. Overstating their usefulness and understating their dangers.
Directly, no. Indirectly the funds did allowed Planned Parenthood to move money from breast screening to abortions. Nothing like a good abortion to keep the breast in top condition.
RE: Religious Whackjobs
It is not God we have a problem with, it is just some of his fans.
Religious and political views should be left at the door when helping with cancer patients.
IF you give hezbollah money for food you aren't directly giving them money for weapons. But now they can move money the needed for food to weapons.
So like nibor said indirectly of course it was.
As for abortions; those of us that aren't religious but know we are a nation of laws. Would just like to now if a women kills a 4 month old baby in her uterus and isn't charged with a crime, a different person shouldn't be able to be charged with taking a life if you happen to get into a car accident and that same baby is killed.
Or if a women has a third term abortion and isn't charged with a crime, that somebody that gets into a car accident and kills a pre-mature baby on its way home from the hospital shouldn't be charged with a crime.
Post 2.24 Is irrational BS. First of all comparing Planned Parenthood with the Hezbollah, or even their situations and ability to track the way they spend money is intellectually immature.
This has nothing to do with the subject or nothing to do with screening women for breast cancer. It is completely extreme irrational thinking. This was right wing religious based politics. And that is why there was such a shake up with in the organization. Because their right wing extremist view netted them over 30% less participation in their events, and less money. Charity money is supposed to be accountable by tracking methods. A simple audit would turn up the issues. But Komen made their judgement based on a rumor. Now they are scrambling to recover lost support.
Since comment #1 was collapsed, I am reposting my above reply to some of the comments made regarding Planned Parenthood. For those of you who think that Planned Parenthood doesn't provide ACTUAL HEALTH-CARE for women (men too), I know for a FACT that you are INCORRECT! I myself have, and know other people of both genders who also have received ACTUAL HEALTH-CARE (not abortions) at Planned Parenthood. So please stop trying to indicate otherwise, because you DO NOT have your FACTS straight!
In 2008 Canada, with government funded health care which covers abortion, the abortion rate is 15.2 per 1000 women. In the the USA the abortion rate is 20.8 abortions per 1000 women.
http://ayoungmomsmusings.blogspot.ca/2012/07/how-i-lost-my-fear-of-universal-health.html
American for profit health care promotes and increases abortion, because it denies or rations post natal health care to those who need it most.
Also, the National Film Board of Canada ripped the scab of secrecy off organizations like the Koman group.
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/ID/2190871665/
John Murphy-1281714
Good post. And it makes sense, abortion in Canada doesn't seem to be a consideration made out of financial desperation. Unfortunately in the US the right wing resolution to this is to take away either option.
gill "Is irrational BS"
of course it is, whenever somebody thinks or something different than you it has to be irrational, right?
I didn't compare Planned Parenthood with the Hezbollah, I gave an example of directly and indirectly funded something.
Not really. We have people in my house who has differing opinions. It is typical of them to think about what they are saying before they say it. There is absolutely no evidence that Planned Parenthood has used Komen money or government money for abortions. Only suspicion from anti-abortion Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla. This is another example of the religious right trying to impose and legislate their beliefs on the rest of the country. Not unlike the taliban. Just a different religion.
Nice try, but I'm not buying. The Hezbollah is about the worst example you could give. Try going to the Hezbollah leaders and tell them you're going to do an investigation into their money. Or better yet do the world a favor and take Cliff Stearns with you, and see what happens. So I don't care if you don't want to be honest and admit that you were comparing Hezbollah to Planned Parenthood. It is obvious that is exactly what you were doing. You just don't like it because I called you out on it. And now you're backpedaling.
As long a Brinkman remains, nothing really changes. Most of the money they collect does not go to research.
Again Josh, cite your sources, because I'm a cancer survivor and my treatment has changed numerous times.
True that Rick. They are too busy spending millions worth of donations in court trying to stop anyone else from encroaching in on their money making racket.
tru dat....
it has turned into a money making carrier for Nancy, in the name of the death of her sister....
very sad
Komen:
Brinker $417k a year,
50 top execs $100k+ a year,
fund raising and admin costs 21% of donations.
40% went to health education. 21% to research.
All figures from Wash Post 2/2012. The article states that the salaries are in line with other charities of similar size.
Bow, glad you are in remission. Treatments really have not changed: surgery, radiation, chemo. The names of the drugs have changed, but they all are still toxic and will cause other cancers. You are not cured, sorry that just is not medically possible at this time. Read any pharma-chemistry/toxicology journal and they will tell you that. Read what big Pharma puts out, same-old, same-old with new names, new patents and larger price tags. There are new ideas like genetic sequencing of cancers so that specialized custom drugs can be created, but insurance companies will not pay for them as they cost in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. There are other tests that can determine within days or two weeks if a treatment is working. Again, is this covered? NO.
To get the offical numbers for Komen, you can read their yearly report, it is published on their website. 2011 was a high year for spending on research, 21%. Typically it is 16%. Nancy Brinker brings home $500,000 plus in salary. Then you can see all the expenses for marketing. This is a business, not a charity and they don't give a rats behind how you are doing now or in the future. All they want is your money and your story out in the limelight to bring in more $$$. Sorry to rain on your parade, I hope you keep doing well and that a cure really is found that will help you.
Sierra,
First, thank you for your well wishes! And I agree with most of what you said especially the allow me to , paraphrase, "they don't care if I live or die". However, the reason I wanted Josh to cite his sources is because cancer treatment has come many miles in thirty years. Surgeries are less invasive then they used to be, and now it is a federal law for a cancer patient to receive reconstructive surgery; therefore, when I went to the plastic surgeon I was treated with respect and did not have to pay upfront, but they waited for my insurance payment. I cannot type on this site what reconstructive surgery can do now, but you cannot even see some of what the surgeon cuts with a naked eye.
The chemotherapy, fifty six rounds, I had post meds for the nausea that actually worked, for three hundred and fifty dollars a day out of pocket cost, which I could not afford, so the big Pharm sent them to me for free, and yes radiation again is more defined and less invasive, they can "spot" treat now.
Why is this important? Because when I was told I had cancer I was terrified beyond any measure of the human imagination. Why? I had watched as a young girl a beautiful neighbor woman go through cancer treatment and become a shell of her former self while they were cutting her apart before she died of the disease leaving four small children behind, so to say things are still the same as thirty years ago is incorrect picture to paint and one that does not need to be in the minds of women who are being told today they have cancer. Knowledge is power, horror stories do not save lives, because women get scared to go to the doctor and then lives are lost.
Bowknuckles: Thankfully you had others who stepped up to the plate.
A couple of years ago, a friend of mine had to fight tooth and nail with her insurance company (starts with an "A") to get them to recategorize her occupational therapy visit limits so the swelling in her arms could be treated. Even though she was in the midst of fighting her cancer, along with battling "A", they finally agreed to allow her more visits. We never found out if they only allowed it in her case, or for all cancer patients, as they should have.
The Komen Foundation touted "cure," but it was not funding research for a cure, but for treatment. Matter of fact, they stopped funding John Hopkins' research quite a while back, along about the time it was decided to become an arm of the right-wingers - more money and plushier jobs with better benefit connections. Are these resigning management and board people from Komen now moving on to greater positions in, let's see, the Heritage Foundation, or how about Americans for Prosperity, or any one of the Koch Bros., et al, funded reich-wing organizations led by Rove, marketed by Luntz?
Stop all this lunacy. It's Pro-Choice, and let's keep it Pro-Choice. Vote Democratic in all elections. We don't need repub/tparty right-wingers crawling up our thighs, standing by our beds. How ridiculous is this? WE need to keep the freedom of choosing for ourselves. OBAMA 2012
Blah, blah, blah...different leadership, same misleading message. "For the cure?" How about skipping the over-the-top barrage in Pinktober and targeting a little more funding to actually finding the cure? Most people don't realize that only 2-3% of the zillions raised by Komen each year goes to research to find the cure for metastatic (terminal) breast cancer. More than 40,000 women and men are still dying from breast cancer every year!
shoediva, I find your post very interesting and would appreciate knowing where to validate the facts as you stated them. Even though I'm retired and living on a fixed income, I have occasionally donated to the Komen foundation. If your statements are true, I will no longer do so and will, instead, pool that money with my donations to Planned Parenthood.
Jan, I now donate directly to Planned Parenthood after I found out the outrageous salaries these Komen "executives" (especially Brinkman) pay themselves. It's true, very little of money from the foundation go to research and preventive care for women.
I don't ever want to donate to Planned Parenthood, but the govt. keeps giving them my money anyway.
Why would I ever want to support an organization whose purpose was originally for the sterilization of minority women and the killing of infants?
here ya go Jan:
Komen: Brinker $417k a year, 50 top execs $100k+ a year, fund raising and admin costs 21% of donations. 40% went to health education. 21% to research. All figures from Wash Post 2/2012. The article states that the salaries are in line with other charitieous of similar size.
So when you go walking for the cure, its not getting there 1st, and niether are you.
call it right wing fox spin, just to snub your nose at the fact's.
when people give there time and dollers for a fund, it should go to that fund. Not some other orginasation.
Wow.... I guess Planned Parenthood executives gets paid a lot as well. My so-called tax dollars at work. How many of them hold degrees in medicine? Oh wait, this is a business, not a hospital.
My daughter and her friends are very involved in breast cancer funding. They participate in fund raisers on a regular basis. After checking out different foundations, they have chosen to work with foundations other than SBK because of how little actually went to research.
Good for your daughter! I'm glad to hear that. Regardless of which side of of the abortion debate you are on, that is not the main issue with Komen. They are despicable money grubbers, more interested in making money for themselves than helping cure cancer. They constantly harass and sue smaller charities for uisng pink ribbons, and any variation of the phrase "for the cure" or "for a cure." Very little of your contributions to Komen go to research.
Some people make excuses such as, "okay they have a huge overhead, but lots of charities do, and they still give more money to breast cancer research than any other organization." Not so. If you look at the American Cancer Society's website you can easily see they gave 226 grants for breast cancer totaling $117,265,595. And that's just their breast cancer grants, that's not counting all the other cancer reasearch grants they give (945 total). However, if you go to Komen's site, they don't give you a grand total, they have a list of all their grants in order to make their paltry contributions appear more impressive. But I counted it all up, and they gave a mere 68 grants totaling about $41,000,000 (I rounded some amounts to make the math easier.)
Of course, $41,000,000 is nothing to sneeze at, but compared to the American Cancer Society's numbers, it's a pathetic amount for an organization with such widespread name recognition whose supposed sole purpose is to find a cure for breast cancer.
While I don't believe this that run major charities have to accept wages far below what they would get in the private sector. Over $500K is excessive. The Charity I serve on the board of (Major National Charity) pays our Exec Director just under $170,000 per year. And it is in NYC where cost of living is high (and it must be in Manhattan) so based on that salary he can afford only a 1BR apartment. He is certainly a tireless leader as is all the staff, our offices are donated and simple...but full of love. By the way our Exec Director as well as almost every staff member is afflicted with our primary health concern.
I can also see staff doctors and lawyers being well paid.
Planned Parenthood is a huge organization, most of those on the top are Doctors, Lawyers (Probably a necessity as the right wing fights so hard against them) and a major CPA. All jobs where typical income is in excess of $200K.
But the Komen leader at $500K+ is a bit over the top. And that is in Dallas, not NYC like Planned Parenthood and the Charity I serve on. So that $500K is about the same as making $800K or so in NYC.
And Komen does not operate 800 medical centers with thousands of employees like Planned Parenthood does.
My Chanty is (Among other) concerned with Women's Health Issues either making grants all over the world or in the operation of a health clinic and hospice in NYC. They do not provide abortion services; just not really related to our scope.
WOW...It took this long to start to clean house? My money will continue to go to Planned Parenthood and NEVER again to the Komen group. See what happens when you kiss a republican congressman ass...you get a very bad result.
Allen: that's exactly what I did...took the recurring monthly donations I sent to Komen and shifted that to Planned Parenthood. I was unfuriated by that lying, scheming attack on Planned Parenthood. I still believe Komen has done lots of good for people, as Gary Zerza states, but they totally took away any trust I had in them to manage issues and money properly when they did that.
I bet those 1.8 million unborn babies appreciate your donation!
(Oh, but they're only 5% of all funding)
Sorry Arthur66, but those were 1.8 million largely UNWANTED babies, and to be really frank, 1.8 million less people this world and its dwindling resources benefit doing without.
There are still plenty of women who choose to have their babies and give them up for adoption for those unable to conceive on their own.
Only a liberal would see a human being as a burden on a world of dwindling resources... While I see human beings as a surplus to our world resources...
But it does make sense, because most libs are burdens on the world... So they would think that way.
Avaguat - only conservatives would look at the death penalty as fair and just and believe people deserve it, while crying their christians who are "pro-life" and care about unborn babies... no, you are "pro-fetus" because after that you are on your own and if you do screw up, need health care or become poor too bad...
Avaguat:
Basic math principles is not emotional, nor a matter of liberalism or conservatism.
"only conservatives would look at the death penalty as fair"
Yes, for a convicted murderer.
"while crying their (sic) christians who are "pro-life" and care about unborn babies"
Exactly. An innocent, unborn child.
Even a Liberal can understand this, right??
Gee Arthur66, how do you justify in your mind a wrongly convicted and innocent "murderer" who is then murdered by your murdering death penalty?
You speak with forked tongue.
Since we are taking things to the liberal extreme again, talking about a select 0.1% of occurrences like libs always do, how do you justify putting innocents in prison for life?
0.1% is 0.1% too many, unless of course, you view any life as worthless.
I don't.
So, Avaguat, to be clear - you consider 'human beings' to be a surplus, not a burden, and you consider liberals to be a burden. Therefore, you think people with a different political ideology than you are not human beings? How very Christian and loving.
As far as putting innocent people in prison for life.... at least if a mistake is found these innocent people are released and can live the remainder of their lives free, and with restitution. What do you do when you find out YOU murdered an innocent person by mistake?
Well, call me crazy, but I live in a state that has one of the highest birth rates in the nation, one of the lowest poverty levels, one of the highest average incomes, and a good educational system. I have not seen a correlation of birth rates and poverty here.
Young couples in my state line the halls of adoption agencies waiting for a youngin' to adopt. Many adopt children from outside the US due to the scarcity of children at home. Many find that their hopes of having a child will never come true.
In fact: In my state, located in the midst of a desert, you will see that the cities are the green areas, while the unsettled areas remain brown. Along with settlers come trees and farms, greening up the landscape.
So from my standpoint, there is no real need for abortion. Only in special circumstances, of course, it would be beneficial to the parent to perform one.
Avaguat: What does living in your state have to do with your justification of murdering someone wrongly convicted of murder?
What a way to avoid the tough questions.
Avaguat: You haven't answered jayberg and Debi's questions... What do you do when you find out YOU murdered an innocent person by mistake?
and this from an abortion advocate?? Save the murderer, kill the baby. Probably some twisted logic to this in lib land.
nibor:
Did you even bother to read the thread? We've been discussing the murder (death penalty) of someone who has been WRONGLY convicted of murder.
The only "twisted logic" seems to be your illogic and lack of comprehension of the stated facts.
No wonder this country is deteriorating and can't get its act together.
Arthur66 is a religious zealot who believes we live in an ideal society where women & girls don't get raped, where people don't torture and eventually kill babies because they are not equipped to raise them. He only sees his holy bible and seems to think women go to clinics with the sole purpose of getting as many abortions as they can. Arthur66 is an imbecile.
Just to save their own skin, they were willing to risk the lives of women who depend on Planned Parenthood services. This organization is supposed to help end breast cancer and by pulling grant funds from Planned Parenthood they are doing the exact opposite. I don't care that they changed their minds, it was irresponsible of them to consider making a life threatening decision. They could have and should come up with a better solution to ensure their funding is being accurately managed. Very disappointed.
So true Josh Brogan. Finders of cures like Jonas Salk, who refused a patent for his discovery, are an extinct breed. Today, only the cash is king.
Exactly what unique service did Planned Parenthood provide that wasn't also provided by another person or organization who wasn't involve with killing the unborn?
Planned Parenthood provides services for all women, regardless of their level of income.
well....
before we save the lives of other women, lets get a salary first:
Komen: Brinker $417k a year, 50 top execs $100k+ a year, fund raising and admin costs 21% of donations. 40% went to health education. 21% to research. All figures from Wash Post 2/2012. The article states that the salaries are in line with other charities of similar size.
so the 1st million goes to the leaders of saving lives.
then 61% goes to the cost of setting things up.
leaves how much for the research & the cause ?
you make the call....
or continue to call it saving womens lives...
r2den2
Why don't you look up the salaries of the Planned Parenthood Execs??
Here I did it for you.
Information just released tracks salary statistics of the top executives at the largest baby-killing organization in the country — Planned Parenthood. This so-called “nonprofit” organization pays a total of $12.8 million to its CEOs in its 81 identified affiliates.
The average salary of a CEO at a Planned Parenthood facility exceeds $158,000, ranking them in the top 6 percent of all household incomes in the U.S. Twenty-two percent of the top executives make salaries exceeding $200,000, positioning themselves in the top 2.6 percent of household incomes.
In addition to its existing affiliates around the country, Planned Parenthood also has a national headquarters in New York City, which in 2010 paid salaries exceeding $2 million to its top eight officials. PPFA President’s Cecile Richard’s salary tops out in excess of $353,000 each year
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20120121/OPINION02/701219991/
Of the 81 affiliates monitored in the new report the sum of the total annual base salaries paid to Planned Parenthood CEOs was $12,862,560. More than 22 CEOs are paid in excess of $200,000 per year and the highest paid dozen heads of abortion businesses include:
1. PP North Texas, Dallas, TX (salary of previous CEO) $324,381
2. PP Mar Monte, San Jose, CA (Linda Williams) $315,950
3. PP Illinois, Chicago, IL (salary of previous CEO) $302,014
4. PP Hudson Peconic, Hawthorne, NY (Reina Schiffrin) $296,908
5. PP Northern New England, Williston,VT (Steve Trombley) $292,297
6. PP Orange & San Bernadino, Orange, CA (Joe Dunn) $278,871
7. PP Treasure Coast, West Palm Beach, FL (Lillian Tamayo) $275,238
8. PP MN, SD & ND, St. Paul, MN (Sarah Stoesz) $268,710
9. PP Heartland, Des Moines, IA (Jill June) $265,389
10. PP Southern New England, New Haven, CT (Judy Tabar) $264,766
11. PP Great Northwest, Seattle, WA (Chris Charbonneau) $259,405
12. PP League of MA, Boston, MA (Dianne Luby) $256,474
unhappy 158373888999 - me think you lost the battle to end planned parenthood. What has planned parenthood done for me - it helped me when no one stepped up - even people like you who want to help people that need help. If Planned Parenthood hadn't been in that gap - my sons would have grown up without me. See, you try to make this about abortion, but if you really want to make a difference in this world go pickup someone who needs help. Adopt a kid and make their world wonderful. If you see a single mother struggling - don't just hand them a bag a groceries and say you are done. Poverty is such a small word for a whole lot of ugly. Give them a chance to find opportunities. Then you will see a difference in their life and in yours. You will know them by their works. The only work I see you doing is pushing your morality on others. Arm chair christian. Or what I call the Right Right! "The world will be RIGHT if we just make everyone do what I think is right." the right right. And when you listed all the salaries of planned parenthood - well, you are very informed to be just a person with a opinion. Hum, me smell a snake.
See Unhappy - I'm a part of the silent MAJORITY. Wake us up and we move mountains. That was what you heard when the right right got into the offices of - "Helping Women who have breast cancer." And sadly now that organization won't be able to do what it want to do. Proud of yourself!
Unhappy-There is a reason for your name, and from your comments, you never will be.
Please explain what is wrong pointing out the ridiculously high salaries of PP execs versus the ridiculously high salaries of Komen execs?
The Hell with all of this B.S. My darling wife Sally who fought breast cancer since 2006 and died from it this last March 2012 believed in the Komen organization and did the walks in Indianapolis and one year, even had to be pushed in a wheelchair! She loved the organization and I will back it up regardless because of her and my love for her!
Gary, my sincere condolences on the loss of your darling Sally. My mother is a 3 time 20 year survivor, but it could easily have been the opposite. I have a cousin who is currently in treatment (and suspended it for 6 weeks so she could go to London and watch her daughter in the Olympics) but as much as I love these two women, I havd to pull my support for Komen. Their shift to right wing politics under Thompson took away their credibility. Although its not specifically for Breast Cancer, I donate now to the Fred Hutcheson Cancer Research Center. I know they are not political and are one of the most respected and oldest Cancer Research centers in the country.
Gary -
I'm very sorry for the loss of your wife and all the love and support you gave her.
I do agree with EMDF9A that Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center which is located in Seattle is one of the best places working on cancer research. I have had many friends who have been there for cancer treatment. They accept donations and you never hear a political or religous point of view from them. That's the kind of cancer fighting org my dollars go to. Cut out those wealthy middle-women (Komen).
Very sorry for the loss of Miss Sally, but please read Komen's finanical statements. It will make you sick. More money gets spent on administration than on finding a cure. You can find the statements on their website with some digging. I used to walk and support them as my grandfather had breast cancer as a result of prostate cancer treatment. Komen refused to do squat for him. But he insisted we do what we could to find a cure and back then they were the only game in town, or so we thought. I refuse to support them any more. There are cancer researchers at the university near my home and I donate directly to them. Never again will I don a Komen pink anything. Never.
Sierra: Komen has spent so much money on marketing themselves, many people are of the belief they are the greatest and only game in town.
People should know there are other cancer research venues and should seek them out.
Thanks for the reminder.
What would your wife do TODAY!
planned parenthood does not provide breast cancer screenings,they refer. That's why they wanted to cut funding.
PP 1 women 0
Then why does this Komen fund give them money????
PP provide FREE mammograms, free PAP, free contraceptives to women who cannot otherwise afford. You spin like FOX.
PP kills the unborn. No spin necessary, just a fact.
that is just what they do not want you to know....
it is the fact of the matter
before we save lives, lets make a salary 1st:
Komen: Brinker $417k a year, 50 top execs $100k+ a year, fund raising and admin costs 21% of donations. 40% went to health education. 21% to research. All figures from Wash Post 2/2012. The article states that the salaries are in line with other charities of similar size.
Abortion is a poor way to deal with unwanted pregnancies. I doubt they will ever be done away with. As without abortions we would have thousands of more babies born I assume those of you opposing abortions have a plan on what to do with them. Are those of you voting against choice willing and ready to finance the costs of these often unwanted and potentially problem citizens? Or shall we increase the capital punishment offenses to alleviate the excess population?
Just to make it a simple question for all the men deciding on women's choices:
How many blind, syphlitic, brain damaged, mixed race, alcohol syndrome babies have you adopted Today? How many will you adopt tomorrow? The day after that?
Dennis you hit the nail on the head!!
For many years, I have wished that anyone in the anti-abortion club be required to pay into a fund supporting the unwanted children. If someone wants to make a choice for someone else they should pay and pay heavily at that!
I'm wondering if the anti abortion people realize that people with money will get abortions in hospitals by qualified doctors. Before abortions became legal, they just called it something else. Something like a D and C. It's kind of a womb overhaul. The hundreds of anti abortion bills the republicans in congress have introduced and passed will make no difference to people with money. It's just poor people that will have a problem. Kind of like most of the things the right wing wants to eliminate because the super rich don't use or need these things.
idiot!
Dennis - anti-abortion activists do nothing regarding the upkeep and raising of the unwanted children born when women are denied abortions. They truly believe that the minute that child is born the mother is bathed in the warm madonna-like glow of maternal love and will thereafter be a model, loving mother who raises a cherished child. The reality of course is that many of these unwanted children are abused, neglected, rejected, and sometimes even murdered. We then, as a society, get to take care of them through the foster care system, hospitals and jails.
Dennis - you have something against mixed race children? You think they should be aborted? Is your last name Hitler?
You CAN prevent breast cancer without helping to kill babies. Just give those funds to mobile mammogram units and health departments. They provide free screenings without aborting. Just sayin'.....
Does Komen know that the money wasn't going towards funding abortions? Probably not.
I'm not sure about other states but Maine provides FREE mammograms and PAP tests to women who can't afford it. Don't need to give to the shills at the Komen foundation or Planned Parenthood. Way too much money donated to the Komen Foundation goes into the CEO's pocket for my taste. I'm pretty sure that Maine is not the only state that provides this service.
I donated money to this organization to fight breast cancer. I didn't know they were giving money to Planned parenthood. I will never give another dime to Komen or maybe any other charity ever again.
I won't give to them either.
Neither will I. They obviously felt a need to be politically correct by caving to the threats of the pro abortion people. This organization is simply a racket. And...mammograms?? Ladies, do some research on this. There is NO known safe level of roentgen (x-ray) exposure.
Hats off to those who will not support abortion. Of course we will be called names by those who disagree because that is what they do and I am okay with that. I won’t stoop to name calling but I will voice my opinion on the subject every time I have the chance. With that said let the stone throwing begin.
First off, if they would not have caved to the religious right, this whole discussion would be moot.
They were not being politically correct by flip flopping their decision. They did it purely from a financial standpoint. They were on the receiving end of a massive backlash from women and their contributors.
There is also no known safe levels of cancer cells. A lesser of two evils kind of thing.
Is it your policy to give to groups without doing any research on them?
Mark: I'm not trying to "throw any stones", but I would be interested to know how many children you have rescued from an orphanage and adopted.
Forcing women to give birth to an unwanted child is the republicans idea of less government intrusion and more freedom.
If women would act responsibly instead of whorish, abortions would be virtually unnecessary. No one seems to think about that. Guess personal responsibility is dead in America.
If men would act responsibly by using appropriate birth control when they want to make sure they don't procreate, or stopped participating in whorish one night stand sex, abortions would be virtually unnecessary. What? Does personal responsiblity apply only to women?
If a lot of men and women acted more responsibly, actually admit that they are going to have sex and take precautions before hand, I think the need for abortion would decrease. Keep in mind that the only thing abortion does is take care of the physical part of the pregnancy. It won't make the pregnancy as if it never happened and anybody who has one will have to live with that fact for the rest of their lives. I have friends who who've had abortions and they're still grieving about them, years later. In one case the "father" was never told and hasn't been told to this day. He wasn't even given a chance to step up or abandon the mother! And don't forget sexually transmitted diseases. They're still around and still a problem, too! People have that to worry about as well as an unplanned pregnancy.
Missy and Lunacy: Time to volunteer at a women's shelter, or even a food kitchen. That'll expand your tiny, fantasy world. There's a fellow whose sister had an abortion. Being a kind and compassionate fellow, he told everyone how he sorrowed for his sister and woe for the punishment waiting for her. And he 'knew' it best to constantly remind her of her 'sin.' At every family gathering, he would mention "the minus one family member," or "the one not here," as a reminder to all within earshot that he was doing God's work, to encourage more anti-choice rallies and boycotts. The Other Side: The sister took personal responsibility and decided on an abortion; she knew the burden she could and could not carry. After each of her brother's admonitions, she'd say she took personal responsibility of her actions, and is at peace for her wise decision. Today she is still a well balanced person, successful, loving, and all those good traits. Her brother, not doing too well doing "God's work."
Dandaman: What are your objections? That Planned Parenthood provides preventive care to women, or that they don't give out pink ribbons?
Why do they even have this fund? Everyone knows signs of breast cancer. I won't give to them and especially after providing funds to planned parenthood, the baby killers.
marilee: Thank goodness you're personally on the waiting list to adopt and care for an unwanted child.
If we had more people like you, institutionalized orphanages and foster homes for all unwanted children, would no longer exist.
So being "unwanted" is legally grounds for killing?
There are many legal grounds for "killing"; such as, war and the death penalty, which I am certain you are funding today.
I wonder how upset Bill is about the hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed in Iraq by Bush and Cheney. Is it just the unborn?
Komen has been permanently tainted by right wing wacko anti-birth control, anti-family planning politics. That genie will not go back into the bottle, ever. Skip the middle-woman, give directly to Planned Parenthood.
hear hear
tru dat
JXS26 is right. PP has never given mammos. They only do a manual breast exam at the well woman visit. Just like the ones we do every month at home. Maybe Komen will give me some funding since I do screenings too....
what the hell does planned parent hood have to do with breast cancer? Not a damn thing the money should have never gone there.
The anti-birth control, anti-abortion, anti-civil rights and pro-death penalty persons have gone around stirring up something again. They need to find something more useful to worry about than other's reproductive choices.
Great that people are trying to help others with their health!
Thumbs down on trying to enforce beliefs on others. This country has freedom of religion as a corner stone. This also means freedom from someone else's religion. Just like there is nothing more offensive than someone else's bad habits, there is something also very offensive about being forced to follow another's beliefs.
unfortunately, the christian talibans are multiplying like rabbits.
I don't think the people complaining about SGK funding PP were trying to impose their beliefs. These people think that a fetus is a person and has the right to live. These people have a right to know that some of their donations are going to abortion services. If they object to this , they can stop donating. What is more right about that. Are the people that raised hell when SGK pulled their funding trying to CRAM their beliefs down our throats. I think not. We all have a right to send money where we feel it will do the best. We all have the right to know where our donations are going too.
Well said!!
ajillinois
Yes, of course people have a right to know where any money they are donating is going to. And should complain when they do not like what is happening.
But what Komen did was a knee jerk reaction to anti-abortion hysterics. Sure, they can turn off the funding, but they needed to inform people about it in a more mellow way, rather then showing they were caving into hysterics. It was the persons that wanted to make political hay out of it that are the cause of the problem.
Unfortunately the pro-choice/anti-abortion has turned into one side tryiing to cram their beliefs into other's lives, with the other side not trying to cram their agenda on anyone. All they want to do is support those who wish to excersize their reproductive freedom.
If you think abortion is a great evil, then do not have one.
Abortion is not something I like. But I love choice.
Let's try this:
"If you think murder is a great evil, then do not commit one.
Murder is not something I like. But I love choice."
Hmmmmmmm, doesn't work so well like that. But a sliding scale of morality never does.
This reminds me of Wheaton college screaming their brains out about the health care reform law which forces them to go against their religious beliefs and provide emergency contraception as part of their health care plan. Turns out that their current health care plan provides emergency contraceptives and has for years. It wasn’t important enough to get a different plan before but became critical with health care reform.
Komen messed up big time. Now, the pro-choice won’t give them a dime because they made it clear that they are a political organization. The pro-life won’t give them a dime because they had to go back to funding Planned Parenthood. I won’t give them a dime because they are stupid beyond belief.
NoCo63,
Of course my words can be rearranged any way you see fit. And of course I do not agree with your rearrangement of them.
I found your "sliding scale of morality never working" to be intriguing. Actually, it made me realize that the human race has been living with a "sliding scale of morality" ever since they started forming tribes. It seems to have worked quite well, as evidence that there are 7mmm of us and counting.
Am thinking you are one of those who thinks it is "justified" for soldiers to murder, eh, sorry, kill enemy soldiers, or death row inmates to be murdered, oh eh, sorry again, put to death. Hmmm......maybe sounds like a sort of sliding scale??
Looks to me like you want your version of morality imposed on others, with it's sliding scale included.
My view is that the human race is evolving and will continue to do so. And one part of that will be evolving to reproductive freedom with taking other's morality out of their business.
Whenever I would see a chance to donate to Susan G. Komen I would do it. Since I learned they donate to planned (Abortion clinics) parenthood I will not give Komen 'one red cent'.
When they give to Planned Parenthood it goes directly into Planned Parenthood budget undesignated to use for whatever Planned Parenthood wants. That DOES INCLUDE ABORTIONS. So, consequently, Susan G. Komen DOES FUND abortions, plain and simple. They've done it for years....
B.S.!!! PP keeps all funds for abortions SEPARATE from its general fund because of federal regulations. This is why they were able to demonstrate that the original claim against them was FALSE. Spreading lies to further your agenda only demonstrates your bias.
Here is an idea for you. Since 3% of Planned Parenthood goes to abortion, you could just donate 97 cents instead of a dollar.
I don't understand why people want to abort their kids. They are a part of you, they are a part of your family , your parents, grandparents and on and on. This is not the way a human being should react to a pregnancy. Abortion is a bad solution to a "problem". Imagine the bad Karma coming from an abortion, the negativity. I can't imagine why anyone would off their own kid, why they would disrespect generations of their own family. If people honestly thought about what they were doing for 5 minutes, they wouldn't do it. I don't care if people go and get an abortion but I do feel sorry for them and their family.
Dandaman, what I don't understand is how someone who has never been in the position of poverty, child abuse, rape and all the other evils of the world for five minutes could even begin to understand. Therefore, they make judgemental statements like the one you posted.
There are a lot of things people on this planet do not understand about each other. You make a lot of sweeping judgements about other's feelings and situations with your statement. I also think those considering abortions do give the decision careful consideration.
I personally favor leaving other persons to their own choices, as long as they do not interfere with other persons, for example - dumping on the environment or polluting the air I breathe.
I also favor letting persons have the consequences of their choices. If abortion is a horrible abomination, then they will pay that price.
Bowknuckles------ I didn't say anything about rape or child abuse. As far as I'm concerned rapists and child abusers should be aborted. Please don't throw the poverty thing in there, its not an excuse. I never said people who want an abortion shouldn't get one, please go get all you need. My point is that you show a disrespect for human life , your family and yourself. You would probably want to do your kid in if he was born with bowknuckles.
Dandaman, have you ever been a victim of child abuse, rape, incest or poverty? Those are some of the main reasons a woman makes the choice to have an abortion. You believe a person who makes a choice to get an abortion shows disrespect for human life, themselves and their family? So now the woman who got pregant by her father needs to show respect to him by keeping the baby or having the baby and giving up for adoption? Where was the father's respect for his child? How about his grandchild? Who he is also the father of? How do you explain that to the child?? Your statement was beyond ignorant in my mind.
My sister got pregnant when she was 15 years old. This was before Roe v Wade so abortion was illegal. My parents had money so there was no consideration for if abortion was legal or illegal. She was a kid and in no way ready to be a mother. And besides, the father was a dirt bag. As with pot, all these right wing abortion laws will just increase the price and make abotions more difficult for poor people. Rich people have never and will never have a problem getting an abortion.
@Dand...:
Don't understand why you are concerned about someone family tree than have exactly nothing to do with your family tree. In my circles, this is called meddling and the source of neighborly discontent. Now, beware of those pretending to come with good will, in the name of the lord. They will not give you one red cent to improve your life here on earth, that you can see, but they wand to feed you an untiring course of good thing in some far away place, which no one has visited or seen. Give me help here on earth and I will depend on god for help in that far away place unseen by man!!!! Thank you and attend to your own business!
Ya know, planned parenthood doesn't only offer abortions for christ's sake LoL It provides free or discounted pelvic/pap exams, birth control etc. Abortion is a personal choice and is not for everyone, but I don't know which is worse, the abortion or the hundreds of dead babies found in garbage cans and deserts because the mother could not or would not get an abortion.
Komen shouldn't be funding PP if the money isn't going to breast cancer prevention or treatment.
HEY!, will you Pinko Liberals ever understand that a Womans "health" and "right's" only extend as far as her husband wants them too!
pacific; Liberal women want abortion so they can sleep with any loser they wouldn't want to father their children.
Is that why so many "conservative" women have had affairs with married "conservative" politicos?
Are you freakin' kidding me? What about the thousands of baby parts filling up the garbage cans at PP. Tons of tiny little heads and arms and legs that have to be counted (after being sucked out or torn from a uterus) to make sure they got 'everything'. What do you think PP does with them, bury them? Hell no, they throw them in the trash. They are real human beings with brains and a beating heart and they are all sitting on death row even though they are completely innocent and helpless just like a baby that was allowed to be born.
I totally agree with republicans on this issue. God made that little unit for our amusement and enjoyment and we must stay in complete control of it's use.
If men keep up their lack of respect for the female species, with the use of frozen sperm, the male species may soon find themselves unnecessary and extinct.
Nancy Brinker has been obsessed with her sister's legacy...thus she has not served the cause well. She has raised millions of dollars, with no demonstrable effect, except to become a fund-raising machine which serves no one, except herself and a few others. I hope that she will be no longer in charge. Now, let's get on with the real purpose...to find a cure for this disease...SGK for the Cure has been a joke since the beginning, yet they have managed to defraud millions of Americans of millions of dollars.
Leave it to the loony left to destroy a noble organization if they try and make sure their donations are being used for their intended purpose.
The damage was done all right. Normal people...60%+ (now) don't want to donate to breast cancer only to find the funds are used for abortions and non-breast cancer related interests.
That wasted money being used for abortions/whatever should be used to treat and find a cure for BREAST CANCER not something else.
Damn abortion Planned Parenthood loons.
See what happens when you let far right Christian leadership into your ranks?
Yes, everything goes to hell.
Same thing that happens when you let far left leadership into your ranks. They divert the funds to themselves, and their "exempt purpose" goes unfulfilled. How is donating money to PP "for the cure"?
How is donating money to PP "for the cure"?
You can't cure something if you don't know you have it.
Koman will never get any $$ from me.There are so many more charities that their money goes to actual patient care and research not to high pay checks . Their message is good but not if it doesn't go where it's needed.
@implacable-The right wing is anti-family?
With all of the money that Komen has raised shouldn't we have a cure for breast cancer by now?
With 45 years of LBJ's Great Society shouldn't we have ended poverty by now?
Those programs went a long way towards improving the poverty rates in this country but they have been getting slashed since the eighties in the interest of giving the rich more tax cuts. Consequently poverty rates have sunk right back to where they were.
What does breast cancer have to do with poverty?
Breast cancer and a number of other diseases have a lot to do with proverty. Nutrition, living conditions, location of housing, job availability and early detection are all contributors to cancers as well as aother diseases effecting a higher percentage of those who are impoverished. The Conservative opposition to equitable healthcare has a direct impact on those who are poor and after the Bush era economic debacle more people are impoverished.
Craig, please illuminate us as to the nature of these "tax cuts for the rich". Can you tell us what they consist of? Or are you just a puppet for the liberal media.
The tax rate is much higher for the wealthy than for persons with lower income (in many cases their tax rate is zero.) Last time I checked, 35% was higher than 0%.