Florida bar: Illegal immigrant meets moral fitness test

Denny Henry for msnbc.com

Jose Manuel Godinez-Samperio at Capitol Hill on April 19. He is an undocumented immigrant, brought to the U.S. from Mexico as a child, who is seeking his law license in Florida in what appears to be a landmark case.

An illegal immigrant seeking admission to the Florida bar has met its requirements to become a lawyer, the bar said in a filing this week to the Florida Supreme Court in a case being watched closely by both sides of the immigration debate.

Jose Godinez-Samperio is one of a few illegal immigrants in different states trying to get law licenses after passing the local bar’s two-pronged test: an exam and a moral character review.

Godinez-Samperio passed the exam portion of the test last year, and he was notified recently that nothing in his background would be considered “disqualifying” for the character portion. That notice was cited Monday in legal correspondence posted on the Florida court’s website.

Now, it’s up to the state’s supreme court to decide whether his immigration status is enough to keep him from being admitted to the bar.

“I think what the board has said is … there’s nothing that we’re aware of at this point that we would see as an impediment from a character and fitness standpoint,” Bob Blythe, general counsel for the Florida Board of Bar Examiners, told NBC News. “It’s not really a recommendation because we’re waiting to hear from the court.”

Godinez-Samperio came to the U.S. as a 9 year old with his parents from Pachuca, Mexico. They entered the country on tourist visas, which they overstayed. During that time, Godinez-Samperio graduated from high school, college and law school.

A case similar to his in California has reached that state’s supreme court, too. There, the State Bar of California has gone further than its Florida counterpart in saying that Sergio Garcia, a 35 year old who was born in Mexico and first came to the U.S. as a child, should get a license, noting he had met the rules of admission and that his lack of legal status in the U.S. should not automatically disqualify him.

Garcia's father is a naturalized citizen, according to the bar, and he has been waiting 18 years for a visa that would give him legal permanent residency. His application for a law license is being weighed by the court because his case is unprecedented in the state, as is the one in Florida.

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Many briefs in support of both men’s cases have been filed, but the federal government weighed in last week on the Garcia application and said it does not believe he should get a license.

In that brief, Acting Assistant Attorney General Stuart Delery of the Justice Department's Civil Division said Congress has made certain illegal immigrants ineligible for federal and state public benefits, including any professional or commercial licenses provided by a federal/state agency or local government, or by funds appropriated to these institutions.

“These provisions were plainly designed to preclude undocumented aliens from receiving commercial and professional licenses issued by States and the federal government. Their sweeping language demonstrates that Congress intended to act comprehensively in prohibiting receipt of such benefits by undocumented aliens, and they should be construed in a manner that furthers that evident purpose,” according to the brief.

The government also told the court that "enforcement of the federal provisions governing employment" by those without legal permission to be in the country was a responsibility of the federal government, and was not the "proper subject" of state court proceedings.

Some 11.5 million “unauthorized immigrants,” as the Department of Homeland Security calls illegal immigrants, lived in the United States as of January 2011, according to the department’s Office of Immigration Statistics.

President Barack Obama announced in June that some of the immigrants who came to the country as children would be able to get two-year work permits. That would not apply to Garcia, who is over the age limit of 30, but Godinez-Samperio’s lawyer said recently this should be taken into consideration in the 26-year-old’s application.

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Comment author avatarSlimyoneExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

We need to get ourselves in better shape. The only reason an Illegal alien is an illegal alien is because of racism.

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#1 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:32 PM EDT

No, it's because he never did anything to mitigate his being here illegally. Had he gone through proper procedure, he'd be a legal alien, and there'd be no problem. Why hasn't he made himself legal?

  • 59 votes
#1.1 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:33 PM EDT
Comment author avatarAmerican SocialistExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Here's a concept....lets just drop the "illegal" part and we're all good :)

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#1.2 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:36 PM EDT

Racism? WOW.....what a novel concept! Haven't heard that in the last 5 minutes.

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#1.3 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

Uh, no, Slimy, an illegal alien is illegal because they're here illegally. It has nothing top do with racism and everything to do with being a lawbreaker. And I honestly don't care that his parents brought him here and stayed illegally. They made a bad decision when they decided to do that, they are lawbreakers and they should ALL be booted out of here. We have borders and immigration laws for a reason.

  • 46 votes
#1.4 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:40 PM EDT
Comment author avatarAmerican SocialistExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

grilledcheesesandwich...

How many generations has you're family been in this country?

  • 6 votes
#1.5 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:42 PM EDT

I am an immigrant and I have filed all my paperworks. If you really want to be here in the US legally, you can do so by going through the whole process just like every other immigrant has to. If I can do it, why can't they?

  • 54 votes
#1.6 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:44 PM EDT

American Socialist - not relevant.

  • 22 votes
#1.7 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:44 PM EDT

Is he not able to apply for citizenship? Why should he get any preferential treatment over those immigrants who actually did the work of becoming citizens? To grant immunity to illegals is a slap in the face of those who actually became citizens. Then again, when you look at all the benefits that illegals get, benefits above and beyond what citizens get, perhaps he should just stay illegal. He'll be far better off as will his children, their children and their children's children. Why become an American? What's the point? Open the doors and free stuff for all, courtesy of the US taxpayer.

American Socialist: Interesting how you are great at telling others how to spend their money.BTW: Your false flag about immigrants holds no water. You do remember Ellis Island? Sorry but immigrants here didn't arrive illegally despite the revisionist history. Now, how deeply and personally have you reached into your pockets to fund the welfare? Not at all? No, can't see you personally doing much, far better to let the government do it all, assuage you of responsibility.

  • 27 votes
#1.8 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:44 PM EDT

If he is here illegally, the best thing to do is give him a perfectly legal escort to the border. Just because he has passed the bar does not give him any special status here in the USA.

  • 41 votes
#1.9 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:44 PM EDT

No the only reason an Illegal Alien is Illegal is because he does not think enough of this country's laws to obey them..... And now we are going to allow him to pratice his form of law..... WTF....!!!!!

  • 34 votes
#1.10 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:46 PM EDT

American Socialist,

With respect, I disagree with you.

The word "illegal" (now coined "The I Word" when referencing an immigrant) is important because it's true.

The United States has immigration laws. We have many, many folks (like Chloe18 in this discussion) who are working hard for their naturalized citizen status the "legal" way.

The reason "The I Word" has become unpopular is because political correctness has somehow associated it with being "Anti-Latino".

It's not. Being undocumented in this country is illegal, regardless of the origin of birth.

And, with reference to the "attorney" in this story, breaking the law isn't a great way to start a career in law.

  • 30 votes
#1.11 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:49 PM EDT

There is a very common misconception by the American public that anyone who is here illegally can just apply and be a citizen in very little time. You have to have some sort of sponsor, ie: spouse, or direct family member. Trust me I know. I am in Mexico right now waiting for my case to be approved. I was brought over to the US when I was a child as the people in this story. Marrying a citizen does not make automatically make you a citizen or permanent resident, it is a very long and expensive process.

So to answer why he hasn't made himself legal is simply because it is not an easy process. I am sure the other argument is why doesn't he just leave? Well it's because I am sure most if not all of his family is in the states. Why don't they all leave? Because they have a life in the U.S now and most would agree it would very tough to just leave everything you have know for the past 20 something years overnight. To everyone that argues that they would do it to make themselves legal, it is only because you have not been forced in the situation.

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

Slimy, you must mean racism against the white race. Mr. Godinez is a white man to judge by the picture at the start of the article.

This is just the lawyers' lobby trying to get around the law to advance its own agenda. What else is new?

Let's hope the Florida court declines to interfere in a federal matter. A work permit is not a license to practice a profession. Do we really need more people in this country? Do we need more lawyers?

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#1.13 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:02 PM EDT

congrats, on the worst comment ever.

    #1.14 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:05 PM EDT

    Immigrantchild - "So to answer why he hasn't made himself legal is simply because it is not an easy process", so does that mean he shouldn't do it anyway? I mean, you are going through it yourself (as I did), the waiting, the fees, the interviews, the paperwork etc...but you did it, I did it a lot of other folks like you and me are doing it. I just cannot give this guy any excuse. If he really wants it, he should work for it. Illigal immigrants want all the perks and benefits of being a citizen but they are not willing to work for it? I am so sorry, I can't buy that.

    • 17 votes
    #1.15 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:09 PM EDT

    Is he not able to apply for citizenship?

    Apparently not.

    • 4 votes
    #1.16 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:11 PM EDT

    Like we really need another lawyer -- illegal or otherwise.

    • 9 votes
    #1.17 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:11 PM EDT

    Florida bar: Illegal immigrant meets moral fitness test

    What a concept. How can he pass a moral test when he is here under NOT legal status? Only a lawyer could say he passes a moral test. If he had morals he would have applied for a visa or a green card.

    • 18 votes
    #1.18 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:12 PM EDT

    This guy puts his face on the news and applies to the Florida bar and has not been deported yet? Good job Florida!!! Our tax money is hard at work!

    • 5 votes
    #1.19 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:21 PM EDT

    It is disgusting that the Florida Bar would deem someone who is here ILLEGALLY morally fit to serve in the capacity as a licensed attorney-- a person sworn and duty-bound to uphold the laws of the United States and the State of Florida. Everyone should call the Florida Bar to advise as to how this diminishes faith in our legal system: (850) 561-5600 (The Florida Bar)

    If this person ever had a job, he would have committed I-9 perjury--- a FELONY! How does this qualify for moral fitness!????? Disgusting

    Americans across the political spectrum (including this life-long Democrat) INSIST THAT OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS BE ENFORCED! A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!

    • 13 votes
    #1.20 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:22 PM EDT

    If he had morals he wouldn't be a lawyer.

    • 11 votes
    #1.21 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:22 PM EDT

    And having gone through all the effort to become a lawyer he probably has the resources ( school) and contacts to facilitate the process of becoming a US citizen.I agree with the argument that it is a great way to start a career as a lawyer by accepting an illegal premise. So a few years down the road when he does something a little illegal within the context of his work in law that will be OK too? Isn't that the message being given to him?

    It is just symptomatic of society's total disrespect of the law by anyone who claims an "oppressed" status. The only idiots following the rules are the middle class taxpayers.

    • 8 votes
    #1.22 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:25 PM EDT

    It astounds me how libtards are willing to slap legal immigrants in the face by condoning illegal immigration. Now that's racism.

    • 5 votes
    #1.23 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:26 PM EDT

    Why have immigration laws if we are not going to enforce them. So his parents came here on a tourist visa. Wow, what a long vacation. Where did he get the money to go to a university and then to law school?

    • 8 votes
    #1.24 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:38 PM EDT

    Shartorius - Just to clarify, I am a permanent legal resident and not yet a citizen as of the moment. However, i have sent in my paperwork and is scheduled for my interview next month. Hopefully by the end of this year, I can take my oath and offically become a US citizen. Regardless, it was a long time coming!

    I'm currently reviewing for my Civics test and I think this question is relevant to this article - "What is the 'rule of law'? - No one is above the law". so why is this guy treated differently than other illegal immigrants?

    • 6 votes
    #1.25 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:58 PM EDT

    We need to get ourselves in better shape. The only reason an Illegal alien is an illegal alien is because of racism.

    Really? You lurk all day and all you can come up with is utter nonsensical krap like that? Wow. Hope you didn't procreate.

    • 1 vote
    #1.26 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:59 PM EDT

    Chloe18 -

    Best of luck with that. Let me extend an (anticipated) congratulations and welcome.

    • 3 votes
    #1.27 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:29 PM EDT

    How many of our elected officials do you think could pass a "Moral Fitness Test?"

    • 4 votes
    #1.28 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:30 PM EDT

    Thank you mpa :)

    • 1 vote
    #1.29 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:35 PM EDT

    I don't like the long wait to enter the US legally, so I'll just come here illegally.
    I don't like having to work for money, so I'll just steal it.
    I don't like people who call me racist, so I'll just shoot them.

    It's a good thing the US has laws, it keeps people from stealing and killing... but they can still come here illegally and people support this illegal activity... We need politicians with some huevos and enforce the laws they have or change it.

    • 5 votes
    #1.30 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:42 PM EDT

    mygirl1 - Is he not able to apply for citizenship?

    No, because he lacks legal standing to do so. From other coverage:

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/undocumented-immigrant-asks-florida-supreme-court-for-chance-to-practice/1218848

    Godínez-Samperio lacks legal standing to apply for citizenship and is someone who would have benefitted from the Dream Act, a decades-old proposal to allow undocumented children to obtain permanent residency by enrolling in college or serving in the military.

    • 3 votes
    #1.31 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:56 PM EDT

    1.12 Immigrantchild.

    You say what a tricky process, time consuming and expensive. Would you not classify law school as the same? If he can afford to pay for that, even with loans, he can surely pay the fees associated with becoming a legal citizen. Until he does, he does not belong here and should be arrested and deported.

    Can I sympathize? Absolutely. I'm married to a Danish immigrant, 19 years now. It was hard, but we did everything we had to do, we paid our fees and now she is a productive citizen. If we could get through it at 22 and 20, with no family support system on either side, so can this guy.

    • 3 votes
    #1.32 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 7:15 PM EDT

    OK, reality check - we are talking about moral standards for lawyers. The only thing they would flunk him for would be failure to overbill his clients, and being slack about chasing ambulances. What a joke!

      #1.33 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 7:59 PM EDT

      What a joke, lawyer and moral fitness used in the same sentence! I don't think a panel of lawyers is capable if defining moral fitness and it's joke to pretend that it's a requirement to pass the bar.

        #1.34 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:03 AM EDT

        If he had morals he wouldn't be trying to become a lawyer. And what type of law does he want to practice? Immigration lawyer for others who are ILLEGAL?

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        #1.35 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:41 AM EDT

        Why is this ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT STILL in OUR country?, yeah he has MORALS he stays here ILLEGALLY.,, colorful metaphor, starts with an F

          #1.36 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:11 AM EDT

          Perhaps he could bump into George you know last name starts with a Z, he could correct this, oh, never mind, his name is Jose, not Trevor the innocent kid, yes enjoy, collapse my post,, off subject, I apologize for being off topic

            #1.37 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:25 AM EDT
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            My problem with this is simple: he is here illegally. It sounds like he did nothing to mitigate the fact that he is here illegally. If he wants to be an attorney in the US, shouldn't he be here legally?

            And before anyone starts bashing me, allow me to politely remind you: he is here illegally. He is in violation of U.S. law.

            • 89 votes
            #2 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:32 PM EDT
            Comment author avatarAmerican SocialistExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

            Well, our ancestors just got to get off a boat, no tests, no crap. Just heres America, now go get em' Our current immigration policy is a joke.

            It would also be much easier if we treated our boarder like an actual secuuritized (bushism :)) boarder. We need to weed out the criminals whom jump the boarder to steal crap vs. the people that are coming here to make a better life for themselves. Our boarder security sucks so bad we cant tell the difference between then two.

            • 9 votes
            #2.1 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:41 PM EDT

            And to top it off, he wants to be a lawyer. You should practivce what you preach by following the law and get your paperwork in order. It's just so wrong...

            American Socialist - I think your argument about our ancestors is way off base. Everyone's ancestors were immigrants to their own countries. What we are talking about here is the current status quo, where each country has setup laws, rules and regulations to protect their countries from illegal aliens. I sure for one does not want my taxes to go to supporting them but rather support a legal resident/citizen.

            • 49 votes
            #2.2 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:51 PM EDT

            the rule used to be if you violated the law on a regular basis you lacked the moral fitness to pass the character test- here - this guess knowingly wakes up every day and violates the law. . . . I'll leave you to decide if he has the moral fitness to be an attorney. He can not WORK legally - what good is a law license?

            Next - American Socialist - where do I even start - I guess from what I read you are either lazy or an uninformed idiot. But - I need to back that up . . .

            1. it is spelled BORDER -

            2. It is spelled SECURITIZED . . . [did you see that little red underline - do you know what means?] you are either lazy or an idiot - pick one.

            3. How can we tell the criminals from the people coming here to make a better life for themselves?

            4. Our ancestors did not just get off the board . . . you should really actually learn something about immigration into Ellis Island and the early rules.

            5. Our current immigration policy would work great if we actually followed it and enforced the law - and stopped giving preferences to people who jumped the line and came here WOP.

            • 33 votes
            #2.3 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:02 PM EDT

            Ummm. I'm confused about the moral outrage here? I mean we are talking about application to be a lawyer, right? You know lawyer - rotten, loathsome, blood-sucking, narcissistic playboy dedicated to undermining the fabric of our society one technicality at a time?

            Saying he isn't qualified to be a lawyer is like saying a mosquito is more likable than a flea. Maybe it is, but who the hell cares since they are both bloodsucking parasites??????

            • 11 votes
            #2.4 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:14 PM EDT

            It is disgusting that the Florida Bar would deem someone who is here ILLEGALLY morally fit to serve in the capacity as a licensed attorney-- a person sworn and duty-bound to uphold the laws of the United States and the State of Florida. Everyone should call the Florida Bar to advise as to how this diminishes faith in our legal system: (850) 561-5600 (The Florida Bar)

            If this person ever had a job, he would have committed I-9 perjury--- a FELONY! How does this qualify for moral fitness!????? Disgusting

            Americans across the political spectrum (including this life-long Democrat) INSIST THAT OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS BE ENFORCED! A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!

            • 31 votes
            #2.5 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:25 PM EDT
            Comment author avatarJeff-573598Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

            You should follow your own name and moniker, Dont be a moron:

            While the overwhelming majority of ppl hate lawyers, the same overwhelming majority like their OWN lawyer.

            Lawyers follow the LAW - you dont LIKE the law ? Blame yourself, as it is YOU and ppl like you, who voted the law MAKERS in.

            Is a doctor a blood sucking parasite because he makes his living off other ppl's illness ? Is an accountant a blood sucker because the LAW makes it too difficult to do your own taxes and fight the IRS when there is a dispute ?

            Why is your airplane and car safer ? Because LAWYERS sued for it.

            Why is your mediation safer ? Because LAWYERS sued for it.

            Why is a black man, a Latino, an Asian, allowed at the same school as whites ? Because LAWYERS sued for it.

            • 2 votes
            #2.6 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:28 PM EDT

            @AngelicaS

            I agree. I don't have so much of a problem with the illlegals themselves as I do with the government catering to them instead of enforcing one of the most fundamental laws of any soverign nation.

            • 21 votes
            #2.7 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:29 PM EDT

            SO MUCH FOR "moral character review" DID ATTORNEYS EVER REALLY HAVE ANY ??????

            • 8 votes
            #2.8 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:30 PM EDT

            American Socialist: My ancestors came here as British political prisoners, after they had been stripped of their land in Northern Ireland.

            But by all means rewrite peoples family history. You kind of forgot the indentured servants and African slaves as well.

            He's shooting a bird at US immigration law. You'd let him get away with it.

            • 14 votes
            #2.9 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:31 PM EDT
            Comment author avatarJBAbbottExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

            Being an illegal alien is a misdemeanor. One step up from a traffic ticket. Just sayin.

            • 3 votes
            #2.10 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:33 PM EDT

            Reading the article, knowing that the young man has been following the paper trail, and that his father has managed to establish his own naturalization, I can see where the bar is coming from. I'm not saying that being an illegal immigrant is acceptable, but the article says that Garcia has been working on a permanent visa for 18 years. Obviously that started with his parents because at the age of nine it would have been tough, for again obvious reasons. The parents apparently did intend to defraud but the kid didn't at nine. Give this guy a shot, and expedite the processing of his permanent visa. He's followed the rules, including working on his status.

            • 5 votes
            #2.11 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:45 PM EDT

            The very fact that i must qualify my statement on this is indicative of how upside down our society is but here goes,

            I am a Hispanic, Latino what ever you want to call me. I am a first generation American meaning my parents immigrated here before I was born. My parents immigrated to the USA LEGALLY.

            With that you can now throw away the "race card' that you Mr or Mrs Liberal were going to use.

            Do you know who paid for this ILLEGAL immigrant's undergraduate and Law School?

            My son that is who.

            My son who is CHICANO i.e. Mexican-AMERICAN paid for this ILLEGAL immigrant's law degree. My son paid for it with a smaller Pell Grant award higher tuition and more student loan debt.

            WAKE UP AMERICA ILLEGAL means ILLEGAL

            I am living proof that LEGAL immigration into America is possible.

            Those that come here illegally come with an attitude of NON Compliance with the laws that govern our society

            • 29 votes
            #2.12 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:45 PM EDT

            what part of ILLEGAL doesn't anyone understand...... He broke the law ...that should diqualify him from being a lawyer.

            Maybe robbers and killers should try to be police... God bless America .... We need it.

            • 19 votes
            #2.13 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:46 PM EDT
            Comment author avatarMireV03Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

            Do people not read things in full anymore? "he has been waiting 18 years for a visa that would give him legal permanent residency."... he did his part the government hasn't and that makes him immoral?

            • 6 votes
            #2.15 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:48 PM EDT

            He wants to be a lawyer here..he's been here since a child..went to high school, college and law school and still not a American citizen..what are you waiting for??? I doubt very much he was waiting 18 years..if he was there is a problem with him..then if there is he shouldn't be a lawyer in the USA!

            • 8 votes
            #2.16 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:52 PM EDT

            . he did his part the government hasn't and that makes him immoral?

            --------------------------------------

            Even if this were true, and I don't believe it is, did he leave and come back legally? Did he take the place of someone who DESERVED to be school? Did he work? Receive money to go to school from the taxpayers? Did he drive?

            If the answer is yes, to any of these questions (and you and I know the answer is 'yes' to ALL of these questions), he's a criminal and his criminal activity has been on going for sometime. "Morality" isn't certain no part of his character...no part at all.

            • 8 votes
            #2.18 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:58 PM EDT

            wait wait wait.... LAWYERS take a MORAL FITNESS TEST??????!!!!

            • 5 votes
            #2.19 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:04 PM EDT

            ILLEGAL Immigrant.....Broke a Federal Immigration Law.

            There ARE consequences for individuals who break LAWS, especially Federal Laws.

            HELLO Florida !!!! READ the dad gum Federal Law and take appropriate action. This has NOTHING TO DO with him being MORAL.

            • 5 votes
            #2.20 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:12 PM EDT

            He does not have the ability to work in the US legally so there is absolutely no reason he should be granted a license to do so. Send him back where he came from and let him apply for come here through the normal channels. To allow him to shortcut the process just because he sucked money from the US taxpayer for all these years to pay for his education is no reason to grant him special privileges. To allow him to shortcut the process is a slap in the face to every single immigrant who played by the rules, waited their turn, and came here legally.

            • 14 votes
            #2.21 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:14 PM EDT

            Correct, Angela.

            He's not asking to pick lettuce as a seasonal H-2 farm worker.

            We have an immigration quota system and the quota from Mexico is full.

            • 3 votes
            #2.22 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:14 PM EDT
            Comment author avatarAmerican SocialistExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

            Ya'll crack me up...any native American's in here???

            If not, lets just close this sorry ass racist thread.

            • 3 votes
            #2.23 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:16 PM EDT

            I think I speak for EVERYONE who is against illegal aliens that none of us care what race, creed, color, nationality, sexual persuasion or religion illegals are, we just want them OUT!

            Racism, really? Did you graduate from any school, because most educated people don't sling around that tired, useless, used up word any longer. All it does is make people think you're stupid, but in your case, that shoe just may fit.

            I think the word you are looking for is xenophobe, but, in the case of illegals, even that's not true.

            • 11 votes
            #2.24 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:23 PM EDT
            Comment author avatarAmerican SocialistExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

            Chloe18....

            Nope, its a perfect example and right on base. Don't worry, you are not smart enough to dictate where you're taxes should go. That's why we have something called a government.

            Comanchedriver...

            You can just go back to sucking Rush Limbaugh's d1ck...you actually think securitized is a real word. Derp Derp...

            Oh...and it took about one minute to shoot your Ellis Island theory to sh1t.

            On Ellis Island, immigrants were directed to steep staircases that led to the Registry Room. Doctors looked on, tagging the clothes of those who seemed ill or infirm with letters written in chalk so that doctors performing the more formal inspections would take note -- (L) for lameness, (X) for suspected mental illness, (E) for eye problems and so on.

            In the Registry Room, hundreds waited for their names to be called and for formal medical, mental and legal examinations. All were invasive but none more so than the medical inspection, which required men and women to submit to personal and in most cases embarrassing examinations by strangers. The mental and legal inspections included simple puzzles and questions about an immigrant's criminal history, support of questionable organizations, literacy, whether they had jobs waiting in America and how much money they had on their person. Immigrants who survived and passed this gauntlet were deemed suitable for entry into the country.

            So an invasive (lets face it, any "medical" inspection would be invasive) examination and some questions and you are on your way. That's about a fifteen minute process. Now it takes three plus years...

            Scar-481986

            So you're an anchor baby, yes?...

              #2.25 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:38 PM EDT

              MireVo, you are correct. Some people have trouble reading things in full. Namely, you. It was the California illegal's dad that has been waiting for 18 years, not the Florida lawyer wanna-be.

              • 1 vote
              #2.26 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:40 PM EDT

              I don't believe it.

              "moral fitness" and "lawyer" in the same sentence. I guess illegals can be admitted the the kingdom of the sharks by other sharks.

              • 1 vote
              #2.27 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:49 PM EDT

              American Socialist - Great way to show your debate and discussion skills by attacking the person rather than debunking his/her points. You are awesome.

              I don't have a say to where my taxes go? Really? Isn't the government elected by the people? And that the people choose the government representatives whom they think can represent them? The last time I checked, government officials are public servants who are elected by the majority to be their advocate of policies, which includes public spending aka where our taxes go?

              I live in Arizona and have audited a public hospital being funded by AZ residents' taxes. And guess what, majority of their patients are illegals. It is crazy because everyone has the right to get medical attention and the police cannot get their information (status) from the hospital because of HIPAA. In the end, me and my felow AZ tax payers have to pay for that, instead of that tax money going to our roads, to our kids education (better schools, better lunches, etc.).

              • 3 votes
              #2.28 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 7:01 PM EDT
              Comment author avatarAmerican SocialistExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

              If you dont like all the brown people here in AZ (I live in AZ too) perhaps you should leave.

              F*ck this thread....

              • 1 vote
              #2.29 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 7:11 PM EDT

              I think I speak for myself when i say that I would like to see him admitted to the bar in Florida. He obviously has the smarts and drive needed to be a successful person. Maybe he should also be put on a fast track to citizenship too. He may have entered the USA illegally, it was not his choice to do so. It was his parents' choice. It is a little late now to try to deport him. If he has passed the "litmus" test to be admitted to the bar, then do it. But also require him to do the citizenship thing too.

              • 7 votes
              #2.30 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 7:33 PM EDT

              Angela LD - yes, Xenophobia is (in my humble opinion) rampant in America... and many European country's as well.. although they are probably not as pissed off about it because they have better immigration policy. and as for the comment you made -

              ""Racism, really? Did you graduate from any school, because most educated people don't sling around that tired, useless, used up word any longer. All it does is make people think you're stupid, but in your case, that shoe just may fit.""

              Hmm, That's Lovely... I went to Collage,.. but i had to Return to a full time job before i had received a Degree. But I'm sure that even if i had my Degree, my thoughts and opinions would still appear uneducated, (stupid?). but I'm going to take a stab at it anyway...

              I'm just Wandering what policy YOU would propose for Eradicating the Infestation problem of "Illegal Immigrants". there must be a few options, but considering our budget constraints.. we must be practical.

              the cheapest option would be to organize small Volunteer groups of "Jack Booted" Thugs.. something like Mussolini's "Red Shirts".. each group can Monitor relatively small areas.. keeping security tight.. but NO GUNS ! night sticks will have to suffice, too much liability otherwise. the Real Problem is Sorting, Documenting, and Shipping them Back to their country of origin... WOW ! Talk about Expensive ! i mean it not like we can go all "Trail of Tears" on their A**ess and drive them into no mans land, like "the good old days"... RIGHT ? ... Ahh, so many problems.. Logistics, and all that... SO, I'm Serious now.. what would YOU propose WE do with all the Humans YOU don't want ???

              • 3 votes
              #2.31 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 7:48 PM EDT

              how can he represent the law when before he gets started HE IS BREAKING THE LAW ! Our country has fallen down a dark path...

              Hospitals broke---------------illegals

              states cant balance budgets---------illegals

              8.8 billion in bogus tax returns-----illegals

              Just like many of us our ancesters came here and checked in and got a number and were on there way, most hard working mexicans follow the procedure and get there citizenship and love it here and then there is THOSE LINE CUTTING CHEATERS WHO WANT ALL THAT WE OFFER HERE BUT DONT WANT TO PUT IN THE EFFORT TO BE A U.S. CITIZEN, INSTEAD THEY WANT TO BILK OUR SYSTEMS AND OVERBURDEN TAXPAYERS TO GET FREE SERVICE AND A WAY OF LIFE..THESE ARE THE ONES THAT NEED TO BE ROUNDED UP AND DEPORTED DEEP INTO MEXICO AND PUSHED OUT A PLANE !!!!!!

              • 7 votes
              #2.32 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 7:55 PM EDT

              You lost the argument as soon as you mentioned the words Europe (we are NOT Europe), racism, Nazi, 'red shirt' and all the other yes stupid, things you mentioned. All WITHOUT refuting ONE WORD I wrote. Bravo, however, deflection doesn't work any better than crying 'racism' does...

              'Humans you don't want'...

              How about deporting them? They don't belong here, they are not 'our' problem (and before you cry 'breaking up the family') taking their anchor babies with them. How about closing 'that' loop hole while we're at it? How about they go home and clean up their own messes? As long as we have unemployed and people on welfare, WE DON'T NEED ILLEGALS.

              • 6 votes
              #2.33 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 8:04 PM EDT

              Jean 3392470 - Agreed (reluctantly.. cautiously?... lol) if America is still the place that stands by the poem at the base of the Statue of Liberty- (partial quote)

              """Give me your tired, your poor,
              Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
              The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
              Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
              I lift my lamp beside the golden door!""

              (Pretty cool huh! i have not read that since i was a kid)

              i think that with the Exception of Hard Criminals, we must still Honor our own history (not everybody's great great grandparents went through immigration... not mine anyway... lol ) and give a chance to everybody who is willing to contribute to our society, and yes i know they might initially need a "hand out" in order to get a "Hand up" (not necessarily though, some have family to help them) but i think we can manage to get the ball rolling for those who want to be Americans,.. like we are. my people are from IRELAND.. the Rabble.. lol. Fine Folks, but Rough around the Edges at first. but hey we are part of the American Dream now ! and its not too bad .. Do we still need better Border Security ? HECK YES ! as well as Immigration reform. but for now we must deal with those that are here, with the spirit of those who came before us... just sayin'

              • 4 votes
              #2.34 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 8:19 PM EDT

              Ha! Illegals aren't the major reason for our economic woes. There are plenty of loser Americans out there who use the ER for regular doctor visits, know the ins and outs of getting WIC and food stamps, all the while never intending on finishing high school or getting a job. Not that the life of welfare is a luxurious one; but they know no different. Too bad this guy actually wants to make something of himself. And my ancestor's (at least on my mom's side) land was stolen by the first settlers coming through Massachusetts, and it's some pretty shoreside land too :(

              • 3 votes
              #2.35 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 8:21 PM EDT

              Angela LD- BOY, you are one Hostile Curmudgeon.... lol, settle down, i never said a word about anchor babies, i personally think the anchor babies policy is pure BS.

              And Hon, I am not arguing with you, so don't get your panties all in a bunch. i did not intend to win or lose anything, and why do you think we are in a competition ? this isn't High School Debating... did you take your medication Today? i did not mention anything about your previous post except the quote i posted, it was about your snotty arrogant attitude, having the nerve to act as if YOU are better educated and somehow so much more qualified than commenter's you call "stupid"

              and i Think its Totally obvious that i was sarcastically Joking about "Red Shirts" to bring home a point, and i was serious when i ask the question what you would do with all of them... there are Millions of them.. WHY did i ask the Question, because of this comment where you thought you spoke for everybody-

              ""I think I speak for EVERYONE who is against illegal aliens that none of us care what race, creed, color, nationality, sexual persuasion or religion illegals are, we just want them OUT!""

              so it was a Fair Question, which i guess you think "just Deporting them" is the simple and inexpensive policy, that you see being implemented... and thats FINE.. you did not have to SH*t yourself just to answer the question. and Hon, you are wasting your psychotic Anger on me, getting angry at people because you do not agree with the way they see things, does not add to the discussion, or make folks like me the Slightest bit upset... i would have to know you, and i still dont think i would get Angry. and acting like you do, only makes you a Total B****.

              Have A Wonderful Night.

              • 4 votes
              #2.36 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 8:48 PM EDT

              American Socialist: No they went south from Canada then joined the Americans and fought for this countries freedom.

              Now there is something I would support. Soldiers in US forces who are not citizens should made citizens at the end of their enlistment. Plus their IMMEDIATE family.

              A illegal that took a legals slot in University ??, not so much.

              • 1 vote
              #2.37 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 9:19 PM EDT

              Angela LD

              i read walkingeagles post, and then i started reading your other post. do even take a second to read and process what other commenter's post?

              walkingeagle actually agreed with you about Xenophobia, and mentioned it was probably the same in Europe, but not as obvious because they have better control over immigration. and by agreeing with you, "You lost the argument as soon as you mentioned the words Europe" (Umm ok?)

              and to me it looks like his sarcasm about the red shirts, was to find out how you would round up millions of illegals and get them home, and how the U.S. Can do it in a affordable way.

              you seem to have an incredible sense of entitlement, perhaps you are a Native American?. its a shame you have no acceptance or willingness to consider circumstance, in the plight of others. i hope you need some understanding or help from others someday, perhaps you would find some depth of character after all.

              one thing for sure, the Hostility you display is uncalled for, you are Spoiled, unkind, and undeservedly arrogant. but that is not unusual around here, but you said you are a Nurse? that's reassuring.

              please quit acting like you deserve something that you do not even Honor or understand, and get help with your problem. you need a Twelve Step Group to help you feel Empathy and shrink your bloated attitude back down to size.

              good day.

              • 4 votes
              #2.38 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 9:46 PM EDT

              What about the word "illegal" in the phrase "illegal immigrant" do these people not understand? They should get him and his parents and make them get in line and apply to become citizens the proper way. Until then, go back and live in Mexico. I hope the court does the right thing, because REAL Americans have been wronged. What about the student that was denied admission to college because this illegal alien WRONGLY took his or her place? What about the REAL American that applied to the same law school, but was denied because this illegal alien WRONGLY took his or her spot? What about the REAL American that didn't get a job because this illegal alien took that spot? Oh, and the last thing we need is another lawyer, illegal alien or not.

              Why is this tolerated in the United States when it is not tolerated at all in any other country? Its deplorable. If an American did this crap in Mexico they would wind up in a Mexican prison for several years. We are in an all-out INVASION by Mexicans and other Latinos from South America. They all want to live here and don't give a damn about our immigration laws.

              • 2 votes
              #2.39 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 10:44 PM EDT

              Hey, American Socialist - why dont you just call yourself what you really are - a DEMOCRAT.

                #2.40 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 10:46 PM EDT

                Having practiced law for 18 years -- including a federal court clerkship -- I'm certain Mr. Godinez-Samperio is equally fit to the sheep-skinned poseurs, pretenders, pontificators and pettifoggers presently holding forth at the rate of $200+ an hour. That is, if they're not holding elected office or running for election.

                And he's probably much better suited to actually represent others. I just hope he knows what he's getting into. I made my escape.

                  #2.41 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 11:19 PM EDT

                  So, we want to place the law in the hands of someone that... is currently breaking the law by being here. What the hell? Why are these illegals coming out in droves, laughing in the face of the rules over here? Almost everytime you turn on the TV, you get some new story about an illegal that's doing something with their life... rather than DEPORTING THE PERSON LIKE THE FEDERAL LAW SAYS TO DO!

                  I think it's great a lot of them reach for the stars, but there are plenty of American kids doing the same. Why are there no stories on these adopted kids, or these street kids that came to prominence through sheer work and struggle? You never hear about them, all we get now is news stories trying to push illegals on us, telling us how great these few are. "Oh we'd lose these amazing people if we enforced the border laws!".

                  EVERY. COUNTRY. HAS. BORDER. LAWS. This is why they're called CITIZENS. We're not EVIL for enforcing them, they're there for a reason. They HAVE uses. Are we even FORGETTING that most of these illegals commit ID Theft so they can get around, like getting a license and getting a job? Seriously, stop trying to show me how amazing these people are. I know they're great! We have great people like them as CITIZENS too! Show THEM! Show us the AMERICAN DREAM through AMERICAN CITIZENS!

                  • 2 votes
                  #2.42 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:12 AM EDT

                  Democrat, that's the best you can come up with? That's how you define someones views? I can think of a few, not involving any political party, and completely intone with the aggressive rejection & anger, so many are showing towards Jose for his great accomplishments. Toss up illegal immigrant, and every ones panties get in a bunch. What about unethical, arrogant, self righteous, irrational, egotistical, immoral, inhumane & just plain hateful? Would that be a definition of what myself, a Democrat, would think of a Republican? Nope, all those other thoughts come to mind, nothing else.

                  "Jose Godínez-Samperio learned English in a year and became an honors student, an Eagle Scout, valedictorian of his high school and winner of a scholarship to study anthropology at a university." He did this all as a illegal alien, which I prefer undocumented immigrant."

                  "His mother and father brought him to the US in 1996. They entered legally on a tourist visa, then overstayed, settling outside Tampa. They had been professional people back in Mexico, a dentist and a veterinarian, but that didn't mean they earned enough to feed their family. Godínez-Samperio says his parents were "escaping economic disaster". He was nine years old." Which was referred to as the Mexican Peso Crisis (1994). Clinton loaned 20 billion to Mexico, and after the crisis, the US profited 500 million.

                  So the message you want the United States to send to children of undocumented immigrants, is no matter how hard you work towards becoming a productive individual to a society, you are a worthless human being because their parents stepped on American soil without asking permission. Obama has deported more undocumented immigrants then any other president in history, but some how others refer to him as lax on the issue. His message, for the haters, mostly appears as a political front for Hispanics due to the Dream Act. And I suppose the Health Care Act, was a political front too? What about Iraqi Freedom? How much did that cost us, and still costing us? Humane positions cost money, our pockets are running thin, and now, Americans are sounding like a whole bunch of haters, nickel & dime the issues. Blaming every one else for the recession, except the largest contributors....Its the Illegals fault.. No, No wait, the poor people did this. No man, it was the flying elephants with the pink ears.... Maybe I'm a dreamer, but it would be great for this country to come together as a nation, & try moving past the blame game. Right now we just look like a whole bunch of babbling idiots, without a pot to piss in.

                  "It takes a lifetime to build a man up, and a day to knock him down."

                  "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."


                    #2.43 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:55 AM EDT

                    I find one of the criteria interesting

                    or been honorably discharged from the US Armed Forces or the Coast Guard

                    No illegal can meet this criteria as illegals or "undocumented immigrants" can enlist in our military. Non-citizens must have a "green card" to enlist.

                      #2.47 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:47 AM EDT

                      I find myself wondering how much illegally obtained public assistance, grant and scholarship money went into their educations? All of which should have weighed in on his "Moral Fitness" considerations. He clearly knew of his illegal status, as has done nothing to change it. So he "knowingly and willing" defrauded the public each time he sought and obtained public monies to further his education, as these funds are not available to foreign nationals with illegal status.

                      How can he pass a moral fitness exam if his whole life is a lie and he knowingly and willing defrauded the public on countless scholarship, Pell grant and student loan applications to get this education? Or, is it his parents are wealthy and paid it all themselves? If so, Where does this income stream originate? One of the Mexican cartels?

                      I thought the shrill cry was that they only take the jobs American citizens don't want? Lawyer,,,,,, seems a bit above the minimum wage jobs the left claims they take. How many U.S. Nationals would like to join that income bracket but are denied entrance into college because of foreign nationals taking up the seats? Seems there is more investigation to be done concerning these foreign nationals. Too many unanswered questions regarding how they obtained their education and the fundu=ing for it.

                        #2.49 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:35 AM EDT

                        Securitized IS a word you moron, American Socialist. . . it means to back up a promise with security.

                        As is a mortgage is securitized with a lien on the real estate

                        A pledge of stock for a loan, is securitized by presenting the shares to someone for safekeeping.

                        A loan is securitized by a security interest in some tangible thing.

                        It does not MATTER that the guy has been waiting for 18 years - he is not legal to work in the US. What is he going to do? Get a law license hang a shingle and work for free? It is illegal for him to work here. End of story. What good is a law license?

                        What he needs to do is a) get a job, then b) go back to Mexico, and c) apply for resident alien work visa on the basis of the job. As a lawyer, it will go through like crap through a goose. All his employer has to do is say they have looked for someone with his qualifications and cannot find them - he gets a work visa. He comes here legally, fills out the rest of the form, gets his law license and goes to work.

                        I'm not seeing the major problem here - I do know a thing or three about immigration law .

                          #2.50 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:51 PM EDT
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                          He can do all that but yet he can't get US Citizenship. He is breaking the law everyday. Where is the jailtime? Where is the fines? How come he is not deported? I don't care what he's done here the fact that he has not done anything to obtain US Citizenship just proves that he isn't here to become a citizen and get shafted by our government like the rest of us.

                          • 31 votes
                          Reply#3 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

                          Nope, will never 'accept' illegal aliens in the United States as 'American' citizens, ever.

                          • 8 votes
                          #3.2 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:00 PM EDT

                          Yes, why didn't that nine year old apply for citizenship? What was he thinking? Oh, right...probably the the Power Rangers are cool and he'd like to get a bicycle for his birthday...

                          • 2 votes
                          #3.3 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 7:37 PM EDT

                          What stopped him at 18, 19, 20, etc.?

                          At what point did he begin his criminal activity?

                          Did he drive a car at 16, did he have a license, insurance? Does he now? Did he use the emergency rooms for health care? Does he now? If so, did he pay for that care, or leave it up to the taxpayers? When did he 'discover' he was illegal, what exactly did he do about it? He went to college, did he lie on his application (I bet he did)? How about when he obtained his financial aid? Did he lie to obtain money fraudulently (I bet he did)? Did he/does he work (I bet he did/does), something which he is NOT entitled to do.

                          Get real, there is not defense to this guys behavior. He IS the criminal, you know it, and so does he.

                          • 7 votes
                          #3.4 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 8:18 PM EDT

                          Yeah, the British were LEGAL aliens, right?

                          • 1 vote
                          #3.5 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 8:22 PM EDT

                          honor, you know of course that I was speaking about the first settlers... who of course did not settle legally.

                            #3.7 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:11 AM EDT
                            Reply

                            All illegals need to be picked up and deported, all of them, and this includes this illegal as well. And send their anchor babies with them. Where was ICE?

                            • 29 votes
                            Reply#4 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

                            I think any red blooded American should DEPORT every one of you ignorant "American wanna be's" back to your parents homeland. Every American Indian should DEMAND idiots like yourself to be sent wherever it was your forefathers came from. What in hell gives YOU the authority to demand ANYONE be deported? Stupidity is surly your greatest attribute. ON THE SUBJECT, since when does any lawyer need MORALS? When a lawyer defends a KNOWN CROOK, KILLER, FINANCIAL FRAUD, MEDICAL MALPRACTICE SUIT THEY DO NOT HAVE MORALS, and should not be afforded respect in any society. Meanwhile GRT5, og spruce up on your NEW language, WE DO NOT WANT YOU HERE, SO LEAVE ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!~~~~

                            • 3 votes
                            #4.1 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:30 PM EDT

                            awesoneray4usa, I was thinking the SAME thing. All us "Americans" are immigrants but the Native Americans... And Lawyers have NO MORALS. Just $$$$ on the mind....

                            • 2 votes
                            #4.3 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:06 PM EDT

                            Ahem 'ray4ausa' ...

                            Your comment "What in hell gives YOU the authority"

                            My answer "You lost the war".

                            Not immigrants, just the victorious.

                            I am not crowing or whatever just stating the facts. No disrespect intended.

                              #4.4 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:41 PM EDT

                              BTW ray4usa, I also happen to be a real native American. My ancestors were here before Columbus got here. We have laws in this country on immigration and they should be respected, if not, why have laws on anything?

                                #4.5 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:20 AM EDT
                                Reply

                                I don't understand. How can he be given a license to legally practice law in the US if he is not a LEGAL citizen??? Become a citizen and THEN apply for a license.

                                • 26 votes
                                Reply#5 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

                                I don't understand how he was accepted into College, much less Law School without showing proof of citizenship. I would be curious to see his college/law school applications, wouldn't you? Also, how much financial aid did this guy use? Again, no proof of citizenship whilst applying for that either?...

                                When I went to school to become a nurse, the first thing I had to prove was that I was a high school graduate and an American Citizen. Else they would not have accepted my petition to enroll in the program.

                                • 8 votes
                                #5.1 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:03 PM EDT

                                true that. loan sharks want your SS and residency address and all those goods. How can he afford law school without loans??? That's 250k for 3 years of uselessness!

                                • 4 votes
                                #5.2 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:07 PM EDT
                                Reply

                                He is here illegally, he has done nothing to rectify the situation and he's "morally fit" to be an attorney?

                                Yeah, that sounds about right.

                                • 35 votes
                                Reply#6 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:38 PM EDT

                                Hell, he's morally fit to be president. At least these days he is.

                                • 11 votes
                                #6.1 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:50 PM EDT

                                He wasn't born in the US and thus cannot be President. Even Arnold the Governator doesn't qualify for the office. Now, if he was only Cuban, then Florida would walk through his residency papers ASAP.

                                • 4 votes
                                #6.2 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:16 PM EDT

                                mike430: Cubans have only to set foot on US land to stay.

                                But that will never rectify us leaving them hanging at the Bay of Pigs.

                                We blinked, their people died , or spent decades in horrible prison environments.

                                • 1 vote
                                #6.3 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:40 PM EDT

                                Let's just treat Mr. Godinez-Samperio like Mexico treats their illegal aliens. Their immigration laws are stricter than ours.

                                • 4 votes
                                #6.4 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 7:17 PM EDT
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                                If we continue to let all the illegals get benefits while here in this country, they will keep coming over. If all the illegals know coming here won't get them any benefits, they will stop coming into the U.S. We need to overturn the law stating if you give birth here in the U.S., your baby is a citizen. Both of parents should be U.S. citizens before a baby could be granted citizenship, if born in the U.S.

                                • 24 votes
                                Reply#7 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:39 PM EDT

                                Better schedule a Constitutional Convention then.

                                • 2 votes
                                #7.1 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:17 PM EDT

                                Mike...I have been advocating a CC for decades - the electorate is too lazy.

                                • 4 votes
                                #7.2 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:30 PM EDT
                                Reply

                                Am I the only one confused over the guy being in violation of immigration laws not being a disqualifier on becoming a lawyer? Obviously, lawyers ARE lower than congress people

                                • 20 votes
                                Reply#8 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:39 PM EDT

                                UNBELIEVABLE!!! Illegals becoming lawyers...only in Obama's America. I am truly disgusted.

                                • 23 votes
                                Reply#9 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:40 PM EDT

                                So am I.

                                • 8 votes
                                #9.1 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:41 PM EDT

                                Why cant this guy get a law degree? Heck, an illegal immigrant should be able to be whatever they want to be, including being the President. Wait...that job has already taken by an illegal immigrant.

                                • 8 votes
                                #9.2 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:44 PM EDT

                                Terrorists becoming pilots...only in Bush's America. I am truly disgusted.

                                • 12 votes
                                #9.3 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:44 PM EDT

                                Hey Multiplayer............the only reason those guys got away with it was because all the politically correct democrats and ACLU types wouldn't allow profiling.

                                • 10 votes
                                #9.4 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:47 PM EDT

                                Oh that old ACLU talking point. I almost forgot about that one.

                                • 5 votes
                                #9.5 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:51 PM EDT

                                UNBELIEVABLE!!! Illegals becoming lawyers...only in Obama's America. I am truly disgusted.

                                Good. More power to him.

                                • 2 votes
                                #9.6 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:13 PM EDT

                                You are as bad because you quickly make accusations as if Obama has something to do with it. Obama has deported more illegals in 3 years than Bush did in 8 years. You need to get educated on the truth and facts.

                                • 6 votes
                                #9.7 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:37 PM EDT

                                Winker, Of all the illegals he's deported how many do you think came right back? If you guessed ALL OF THEM you'd be more right than not. With the border being wide open, nothing is stopping them.

                                • 3 votes
                                #9.8 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:08 PM EDT

                                Winker -

                                Are you still repeating that leftist talking point? Do the research. It is based on a "new" way to count - anyone stopped at the border checkpoints now get counted as if they were deported. geez!

                                • 1 vote
                                #9.9 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:40 PM EDT

                                Winker.....you liberals are all the same....Obama this and Obama that....beating the 'Obama has done better than Bush did' drum. Obama is praying that the illegals vote for him. That's the only way he will win re-election. The illegals will be able to vote because the liberals are suing every state that is attempting to have voter ID required. The liberals cry the same old song that the minorities will be intimidated and not go to vote. The intimidation angle is not the reason, the reason the liberals are suing states at every opportunity is they need the illegal vote to win. Plain and simple.

                                  #9.10 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 8:03 PM EDT

                                  Angela -

                                  you're a Real TREASURE. and you are a Nurse? ha ! i guess even a nurse can act like a obnoxious tw*t.

                                  Winker - Thanks for posting FACTS. I appreciate those who don't just spin everything their way.

                                  • 4 votes
                                  #9.11 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 10:08 PM EDT

                                  Sgt Stryker -

                                  oh geez, you're funny. you said "" Obama this and Obama that....beating the 'Obama has done better than Bush did' drum""

                                  yeah... THAT Tired old drum, i can only imagine how scathing that must be... the Truth is usually no fun at all, especially when you have keep constantly being reminded what a inept, Buffoon Bush was. let face it, he made it easy for President Obama to get Elected. and Quite Frankly most of us were just cringing, Hoping to God ! Bush would not say something Remarkably Stupid when he would make a Diplomatic visit to a Foreign country.. with the cameras rolling and everybody watching. Thank God we Had Diamond Dick Cheney to keep Bush in check.. wow !

                                  but, on the other hand i'm Definitely with you on the Voter I.D. Issue, EVERY State needs to have it.

                                  that being Said, Republicans PURGING the VOTER ROLLS in Florida, without leaving enough time for a Recheck, is just Bush Era Ballsy... i mean seriously ?, Got to Give credit where credit is do.. Right ?

                                  well,.. Have a Better Day !

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #9.12 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 11:20 PM EDT
                                  Reply

                                  This is so wrong ILLEGAL Immigrants should be given licenses to practice law in this country!!!!!!!!

                                  • 8 votes
                                  Reply#10 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:41 PM EDT

                                  Hey the simple fact is . . . he's an illegal immigrant. What part of illegal, doesn't anyone understand. He should not be here, therefore, he shouldn't be working here, he shouldn't have gone to school here, etc etc.

                                  • 22 votes
                                  Reply#11 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:41 PM EDT

                                  What part of illegal, doesn't anyone understand.

                                  You don't, apparently. You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #11.1 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:14 PM EDT

                                  illegal immigrant n. an alien (non-citizen) who has entered the United States without government permission or stayed beyond the termination date of a visa.

                                  Hope this clears up your confusion Byron

                                  • 5 votes
                                  #11.2 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:11 PM EDT
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                                  HOW IRONIC! The first word in this article about someone becoming a lawyer is "ILLEGAL" Tell me what is wrong with that picture and that things aren't out of hand in this country!!!

                                  • 17 votes
                                  Reply#12 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:42 PM EDT

                                  Ken, maybe if we replaced the word IRONIC with MORONIC, we would have a clearer description of our current policies on illegal immigration.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #12.1 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 7:03 PM EDT

                                  James Lee - Excellent observation !.. and Seconded.

                                    #12.2 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 10:34 PM EDT
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                                    Why do we even have immigration laws if we're not going to enforce them?

                                    • 21 votes
                                    Reply#13 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:42 PM EDT

                                    The typical immigration laws don't apply to Cubans in Florida; maybe Florida mixed up Mexico with Cuba.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #13.1 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:20 PM EDT

                                    We HAVE immigration laws, so that the Democrats can claim they HAVE such laws, so that Republicans cant argue that Dems dont care about legal immigration.

                                    We dont ENFORCE them, so that the Latino power base may continue to support the Dems who dont enforce immigration rules.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #13.2 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:38 PM EDT
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                                    HAHAHAHAHA Lawyers have to pass a moral fitness test? That's like one of these 400 pounders passing a physical fitness test.

                                    • 8 votes
                                    Reply#14 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:43 PM EDT

                                    Waaaaaaaaa. cry harder!

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#15 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:43 PM EDT

                                    Allowing this to happen is a BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD idea - and should be prevented at all costs. How can someone whoentered this country illegally be given the responsibility to uphold our laws? Has the state of Florida lost it's mind - how can they possibly reconcile this?!

                                    • 14 votes
                                    Reply#16 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:44 PM EDT

                                    We let baby killers like Casey Anthony go free too. But get caught with traces of marijuana in your ashtray and you're looking at 16 years in prison.

                                    • 7 votes
                                    #16.1 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:48 PM EDT

                                    Since when has a lawyer ever upheld our laws?

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #16.2 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:51 PM EDT

                                    Uh..."Udonnobro" -

                                    LAWYERS did not set Casey free - a JURY did that.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #16.3 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:33 PM EDT
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                                    My father was right. There is a thin line, apparently, between a lawyer and a criminal. I owe him an apology.

                                    • 9 votes
                                    Reply#17 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:46 PM EDT

                                    The BAR association is just that, an association (that they pay to join) not a governing body. Them saying he has met the standards to become a lawyer is like a politician telling a person they meet the standards to become a politician. He couldn't be a police officer or work for the prosecuting attorney, he can just be a lawyer. Pass a written test and have a group of lawyers (moral character in question) tell you you can be one of them means nothing to me.

                                    I'm sure he doesn't want to be a prosecutor anyway, he just wants to defend the poor, downtrodden criminals like himself from harsh sentences for making mistakes that should be overlooked.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#18 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:50 PM EDT

                                    The State Supreme Court has to rule on actual admission to practice which is the case in most states.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #18.1 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:21 PM EDT
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                                    I don't think he should be disqualified from getting the license to practice law. But since he has no green card or work visa or social security number that would disqualify him from working within the USA.

                                    Kinda defeats the point of going to all the trouble of getting the license though.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    Reply#19 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:51 PM EDT

                                    Correct - he'll have to hang a shingle and be a sole practitioner.

                                      #19.1 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:32 PM EDT
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                                      Every single day I shake my head at were this country is going.

                                      When is wrong----right.

                                      When is illegally----legal. SOMEONE HELP ME-----PLEASE

                                      Have we all gone nuts

                                      • 6 votes
                                      Reply#20 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:52 PM EDT

                                      Only the Democrats, Curt, only the Democrats!

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #20.1 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:00 PM EDT
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                                      Gotta love a law breaker prosecuting the law... After all they get their morals from the other law makers in Washington. It's no longer a country of laws anyway just a country of sell outs to the highest bidder. LAWS what LAWS, they only apply if you were born here!! Thats where were going. Thats what our enemies are trying hard to do is break our resolve and will and the bastion of sellouts in DC are gleefully accomodating them, especially the America Hater in the White House. There have been millions spent hiding Obamas past... can you guess what frame its in?? What would suggest he's an illegal??

                                      • 4 votes
                                      Reply#21 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:52 PM EDT

                                      Send Poncho back to where he came from with a boot in his behind.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      Reply#22 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:53 PM EDT

                                      I hate to think like this and say this but we probably paid for his entire education because he was an illegal citizen...

                                      • 8 votes
                                      Reply#23 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:55 PM EDT

                                      Sample question from the Florida State Bar exam, Moral Fitness section.

                                      In the state of Florida, if you have a license to practice law, it is:

                                      a) PERMISSIBLE to knowingly and willingly break the law whenever it suits you, assuming there's some tangible financial benefit to yourself,

                                      b) ACCEPTABLE to follow only the laws you want to follow, when it suits you, while attempting to enforce total adherence from others

                                      c) MANDATORY to have such high self esteem that you truly believe that you're so special you should be exempt from the consequences of illegal behavior, which you have no problem applying to others, or

                                      d) All of the above

                                      • 7 votes
                                      Reply#24 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:55 PM EDT

                                      how can someone who is a criminal practice law. Oh, I forgot, we now live in Obamaland where you can be an illegal and the taxpayers will support you (as long as you vote for Obama)

                                      • 9 votes
                                      Reply#25 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:57 PM EDT
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