Air Force relieves training commander at Lackland over sex scandal

A top commander has been relieved of his position in the wake of a sex scandal at Lackland Air Force base.

Col. Glenn Palmer had been in charge of basic training for new Air Force recruits at the 737th training group at the base in San Antonio, Texas. A senior U.S. military official confirmed to NBC on Friday that Palmer had been relieved. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the wing commander lost confidence in Palmer's ability to lead the training group.


Allegations that basic training instructors behaved inappropriately with female recruits have rocked the base. Some of the alleged victims have claimed sexual abuse and assault. 

Staff Sgt. Luis Walker, a former instructor, received a 20-year prison sentence last month in a military court-martial after being convicted of rape and sexual assault. Walker was convicted on all 28 charges he faced. 

Tech. Sgt. Christopher Smith, 33, was sentenced to 30 days in jail and a reduction in rank to airman first class last week. He was convicted of developing an intimate relationship with one female trainee and fraternizing with another.

Other training instructors are scheduled for courts-martial in the coming months. 

The military hasn't seen a sex scandal of this magnitude since the 1990s, when accusations of sexual misconduct surfaced at the Army's Ordnance Center and School in Aberdeen, Md., where officers were accused of using their positions to sexually assault female trainees under their command. The scandal resulted in one company commander and two drill sergeants being sent to prison. 

Lackland is where all new recruits go through eight weeks of basic training. The installation graduates 35,000 new airmen every year. About one in five recruits are female but most instructors are male.

 

Courtney Kube contributed to this report.

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Comment author avatarldoExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Yep, the "Commander" is responsible for EVERYTHING under his/her command.

Same should go for our Federal Government......the President is responsible for EVERYTHING under his/her command. Now, where shall I start ......... ??????

  • 24 votes
#1 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:45 PM EDT

As it should be...

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:51 PM EDT

Let's start here:

The security of the U.S. is the President's #1 priority. 9/11 happened under Bush's watch and Bin Laden was killed under President Obama's watch.

Nuff said.

  • 28 votes
#1.2 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:25 PM EDT

you're seriously gonna vote for romneycrook? really???

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#1.3 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:06 PM EDT

The difference between an installation commander and the president is the commander has total control over what happens on his base. The president has little-to-no control over Congress.

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#1.5 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:25 PM EDT
Comment author avatarmarlen101917Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

@Olivia:

I bet if the operation and killing of OBL would have been botched, you would be the first one to blame President Obama as Commander and Chief and not the Seals. Perhaps YOU should give credit where credit is due but you won't because obviously, your not "woman" enough. Have a nice life..

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#1.6 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:33 PM EDT

wasn't it Bush who said " mission accomplished"? He must have been talking about ruining our country..

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#1.7 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:34 PM EDT
Comment author avatarJoseph-1686110Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

oh darn the party is over..hell I joined the AF to rape recruits..now what will I do now??

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#1.8 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:38 PM EDT

Ido, when you star, maybe it would be a good idea to take a good look at boner and the Turtle over in the Senate; both of whom said publicly that their only task in the next 4 years was to cause Barack Obama to be a one term President. Then when you've finished all those considerations, start listing the things Obama has done to harm you or anyone else in the US. Have a nice day. Be sure to mention his having Osama bin laden killed instead of just wishing.

  • 15 votes
#1.9 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:41 PM EDT

My president can beat your president up.................. Politics are so stupid.

  • 11 votes
#1.10 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:53 PM EDT

@marlene101917

You should get a life. Olivia is correct. Your 'hind sight' only covers 11 years.

  • 7 votes
#1.11 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:54 PM EDT

I have been saying that since bush and cheney, those two should still be held account, "Bush" because 9/11 was on his watch as a previous military man he should know that and the dick cheney is was capitialist benifiting off the war and lieing to the american public makes him a REAL pos.

  • 7 votes
#1.12 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:55 PM EDT

@ ldo-You can start at home with the ones under your watch

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#1.13 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:06 PM EDT

Come Fly With Me! I'm your commander.

  • 1 vote
#1.14 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:21 PM EDT

Incompetence, sociopaths, self-importance, arrogance, and bullying are practiced by almost 50% of the Air Force leadership; it is rampant. Unlike commercial industry, they are moved to another position, similar to child molesting priests in the Roman Catholic Church, without loss of pay, retirement, or benefits. Just their ego is hurt and they blane incompetent personnel they have to work with.

  • 9 votes
#1.15 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:23 PM EDT

to jim wilson comment; yes he did,and he was appropreately thanked on an episode of 'my name is earl'!

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#1.16 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:44 PM EDT

RVGrandpa

Then when you've finished all those considerations, start listing the things Obama has done to harm you or anyone else in the US. Have a nice day.

How about the extension of the (un)Patriot Act? No? How about the even worse creation of the National Defense Authorization Act? He signed away your 5th amendment right to due process and that harms noone? You can spend the rest of your life in prison and they don't have to prove you did anything. That officially makes Osama/Obama the worst president of all time.

  • 7 votes
#1.17 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:59 PM EDT

This is why women in the military is a roten liberal idea. How are these military men supposed to help themselves when naturaly when a woman lays on her back and spreads her legs the military Man is going to jump in.

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#1.18 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:01 PM EDT

nani, so, where did you pull you "facts" from? I'm guessing you didn't believe anyone would believe you if you said 75%, so you took the shot at 50%. Well, those of us with more than one or two functioning brain cells 50% isn't going to work and, before you even try it, we won't buy 25% either. Please do a little research before flapping your gums.

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#1.19 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:08 PM EDT

Olivia Forever

- I was in the service at the time when Clinton was leaving office and Bush was coming in and I know for a FACT that Clinton did everything within his power to track down Al Queda operatives and also passed information to the Bush Administration warning him of possible terrorist attacks.

People in the government used to criticize Clinton for being so hell bent on finding terrorist cells.

BUSH dropped the ball!!! People need to ask themselves why.

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#1.20 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:27 PM EDT

Joseph-1686110 wrote, "oh darn the party is over..hell I joined the AF to rape recruits..now what will I do now??"

Don't worry, Joe -- there's still the Army, Marines, Navy, Catholic Church, LDS Church ...

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#1.21 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:37 PM EDT

Olivia:

The wheels were already in motion for Bin Ladins capture as well long before Obama took office. It took years to locate him, and 30 seconds to order the hit.

Bush wasn't all that concerned about Bin Laden. In 2002 Bush actually said that during a press conference. Must have been some small wheels in motion as it took another.... what? How many years?

Oh. And Olivia - if you actually think there's a major difference between Clinton and Bush (D & R), might I suggest you Google the following: "Clinton Carlyle Group" and "Bush Carlyle Group"

Because, sweetie, you might just find out they play for the same team while you're screaming yourself silly defending one against the other.

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#1.22 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:46 PM EDT

strip him of his command,after all he LACKLAND'd common sense!

    #1.23 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:47 PM EDT

    WhoKnow - I can call BULLSHT on this one. I was in Khobar Towers when it was attacked. Clinton's response, 2 Cruise Missiles launched at an abandoned training camp, that was KNOWN to be abandoned for at least 5 years. Clinton was also told we have a chance to take OBL out, even before 9-11. HE DID NOTHING. So save me the wonderful Billy Clinton game.

    And if we take it a step further, he perjurred himself with the I Didn't have sex with that woman remark. Married and having sex with an intern (that would be a subordinate mind you). Yeah, I can see how you get it all confused. I guess its hard to see past the donkey's ass, when talking right and wrong.

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    #1.24 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:36 AM EDT

    nani: I agree with your comment regarding how the military, instead of following the laws of this country, moves perps around in an effort to deny victims their due justice while protecting the criminals.

    Besides the military, the vatican, law enforcement and government officials (both at the local and federal level) use the same "blind eye", move them around tactics.

      #1.25 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:47 AM EDT

      Isn't this where the antihuman neocons come in and say these instances are exactly what they were talking about when they accused the gasys of being perverts and told us it was why we should not have gay men in the military as they only sexually harass and rape the females.

      • 1 vote
      #1.26 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:53 AM EDT

      Nani, you have it pegged correctly! For those who criticize you, just tell them you have had the experience. Rather than 50%, I would place it closer to a range between 60% and 80%. Poor "tired" is probably one who could not make it in the military, and has little insight into truth. In my case, I spend over 22 years, starting as enlisted, receiving a direct commission, and retiring as an officer, serving at all command levels, and an extended tour in the combat zone of Vietnam. You need a word stronger than arrogance! That word sounds angelic, compared to actual reality! One brigadier general I had the displeasure of working for, liked to swoop down on his company commanders and relieve them on the spot if he found a speck of dust on a file cabinet. He ruined the careers of dozens of young captains, who had planned to go for 30 years or more. They saw the truth and escaped as quickly as they could. We could go on and on for pages. Nani, be proud that you have an IQ high enough to recognize and accept the truth!

      • 4 votes
      #1.27 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:55 AM EDT

      I love it when people like Olivia Forever flat out lie just so they can spout anti-Obama rhetoric.

      The wheels were already in motion for Bin Ladins capture as well long before Obama took office. It took years to locate him, and 30 seconds to order the hit.

      Yes it took years. 2 years to be exact. The compound where bin Laden was living wasn't even known to the CIA till they followed a suspected courier to it in Aug 2010. And last I checked, Obama took office in 2008. Prior to 2010 we didn't even know which country he was in. So explain to me how all the work was done prior to Obama becoming President.

      Next time, fact check yourself before you end up looking like a brainwashed fool.

      • 5 votes
      #1.28 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:39 AM EDT

      nani-2816319 - Incompetence, sociopaths, self-importance, arrogance, and bullying are practiced by almost 50% of the Air Force leadership; it is rampant. Unlike commercial industry, they are moved to another position, similar to child molesting priests in the Roman Catholic Church, without loss of pay, retirement, or benefits. Just their ego is hurt and they blane incompetent personnel they have to work with.

      Too bad I have to completely agree with you (From firsthand experience); however, it is NOT only the US Air Force, what I saw happen (Had to Testify); Major A D Kruse Commander of the 5th Student Company, same thing caught having sex with a Enlisted Student of the 5th Student Company Redstone Arsenal Alabama and all that happened was that he was only given a Letter of Reprimand by the Commander of the 28th Battalion and allowed to stay in the US Military. After getting away with that one, Major A. D. Kruse started having sex with spouses of his subordinates of his Command (promising the spouses that their husbands would be recommended by him for promotion), after being caught (again) all that happened was they kept moving him around to other positions and assignments.

      You think all of this would have gotten him kicked out of the US Military, nope, he retired as a Colonel.

      Having been an "Up through the Ranks" US Military Officer (Prior Enlisted, NCO US Military Service) I still see a lot of really screwed up crap (it was my idealistic motive to become a US Military Officer to change things (injustices I experienced) within the US Military); what I have found out that I can only change or influence those things within my Command, as the "Ring Knockers" (Academy Graduates) actually control the US Military with their contempt of the "Tainted" (Prior Enlisted or NCO US Military Experience) US Military Officers (Direct Commissions, ROTC Prior Service, OCS, etc.) cover up each other's screw ups.

      E K Kadiddlehopper,

      I think I know which Brigadier General you are talking about (yes, I am that old and still on Active Duty worked for and with all US Military Branches, attached to the Agencies, and Foreign Militaries (Continually Recalled to Active Duty from Retirement, Special Category)). I escaped many US Military Officers like that; but, you should see the British Military Officers, that saying about a Craftsman blaming his tools.

      • 4 votes
      #1.29 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:57 AM EDT

      Marlen, please look up the word 'vacuous'

        #1.30 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:16 AM EDT

        I bet if the operation and killing of OBL would have been botched, you would be the first one to blame President Obama as Commander and Chief and not the Seals.

        I guess we're going to ignore the fact that Obama already had a letter drawn up blaming Admiral William McRaven if things didn't go as planned.

          #1.31 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:40 AM EDT

          Ido, you need to actually read the Constitution. It delineates 3 branches of government that have shared responsibility for governing our nation. The framers were concerned about giving any one person responsibility for the whole country.

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          #1.32 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:22 PM EDT

          Obama already had a letter drawn up blaming Admiral William McRaven

          Oh, is that the memo that a couple of people claim to know about and yet not a single person admits to actually having seen it?

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          #1.33 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:37 PM EDT
          Reply

          But then, shouldn't he get all the awards and decorations too?

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          Reply#2 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:10 PM EDT
          Comment author avatarWill the WatcherExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

          Isn't it enough that he gets FREE vacations - I mean TAXPAYER PAID FOR vacations, an executive chef, RENT FREE housing, state dinners, secret service protection for life, a paycheck over 250k a year, and the ability to pardon all of his illegal immigrant family? I mean christ, does he really need a cheap little ribbon made in some Taiwanese sweatshop, by some prepubescant kid fresh off momma's tit too?

          And to be honest, IF he was even worthy of carrying the jockstraps of our defenders who live, breathe, and die as a result of his "kinder, gentler, foreign policy" then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But until these Washington DB's shut their yaps, strap on some combat boots, and hunker down in some fox hole, well all I can say is they aint worth the sweat off of one of our dead defenders balls.

          • 8 votes
          #2.1 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:23 PM EDT

          This Colonels career is all but over. However, a $72,000 a year retirement plus medical, and base commissary privileges ain't too bad.

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          #2.2 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:44 PM EDT

          Obama gets the same perks as all Presidents enjoy, but someone who has a keen eye for the obvious and verbosely points it out, could not care less about embarrassing themselves with their stupidity.

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          #2.3 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:31 PM EDT

          I'm still trying to figure out what federal pay scale pays an 0-6 a $72k retirement, as marlen101917 states.

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          #2.4 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:34 PM EDT

          Go to the OSD Military Retirement Compensation web-page.

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          #2.5 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:39 PM EDT

          Well either the webpage is wrong or you didn't input his proper years of service.

          O-6 base pay = $10,557/month = $126,684/annual * 90% for 36 years of service (2.5% per year of service) = $114,015 annual pay + yearly cost of living increase.

          On a more revelant note, please search for Col Glenn Palmer biography. He started serving his country in 1976 and was originally an enlisted combat controller, an extremely respected and tough job regardless of branch. As the commander of the entire Training GROUP (not base) he would have had virtually no direct contact with the individuals that actually commited these crimes. It's a shame his career will almost certainly end at the end of his current service agreement on such a aweful note.

          Thank you Col Palmer for your service.

          • 6 votes
          #2.6 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:26 PM EDT

          It happened under his watch and therefore he had to dance to its tune of military justice. If he had ran a tight air ship this would not have gone on as long as it had. He should have lost his entire pension.

          • 5 votes
          #2.7 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:58 PM EDT

          Willie has willie envy. Willie so..... you are an expert on the sweat you are so fond of?

          No wonder Karl Rove found it so easy to divide and conquer from the rest to have them hate everyone not the same as them. Heads exploding over nothing......... but pent up hate...what a life....!

          • 3 votes
          #2.8 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:31 PM EDT

          Actually star I am a disabled combat vet who got to see first hand Mr. Obama's new rules of engagement policy. I got to see it with putting our soldiers in body bags because they weren't allowed to engage the enemy until they came under fire. And quite honestly, if you had a shred of intelligence instead of spouting off, you would realize our war dead don't speak. There is only the voices of those that served with them, to honor them and their sacrifice. So go hug Obama and his cronies that believe we should make nice with bribes and apologies to the very same people that readily take our money, buy more guns and bullets, and kill those that are there to provide the unappreciative bstrds some freedom.

          NotfiveO - I verbosely point out the obvious because MORONS don't understand how utterly stupid their off the wall comments actually dishonor those that serve this country. To you perhaps, medals mean nothing. To those that serve they are symbols of distinction, of valor, of committment. Something perhaps you snipe as a joke. But when you see these kids bleeding and dying and all they have to show for it is a piece of cloth, you best bet I will verbosely point out the obvious.

          I have had the honor and pleasure of serving with some of the greatest Americans you people WILL NEVER KNOW. They sacrifice for causes you folks take for granted. They provide security for those who will never appreciate it, and they toil for politicians that only care about re-election coffers and conning voters. They don't make millions over a career like our "sports heroes" who get paid 3 lifetimes worth of wages to hit a ball, dunk a basket, or tackle some fatass running down the sidelines. They get paid a pittance to dodge bullets, serve in some far off land away from friends and families, and even bear the social stigmas of being just a jetter, a grunt, a jarhead, a squid. And some are chastised in the media over burning books while they themselves have to sit there and watch as our flags are burned and wonder if there "counterpart" in our touchy feely foreign policies are really there to learn from them or plotting to kill them. And that's right, you know what they get as a reward. A stupid ribbon. A campaign medal. So consider the disservice to their sacrifices they make, before opening your yap about someone pointing out what should be painfully obvious, because OUR SOCIETY is not that smart to realize it for themselves...

          • 6 votes
          #2.9 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:14 AM EDT

          Will the Watcher

          Actually star I am a disabled combat vet who got to see first hand Mr. Obama's new rules of engagement policy. I got to see it with putting our soldiers in body bags because they weren't allowed to engage the enemy until they came under fire.

          Of course you did neocon. That's why the body bag count has gone down dramatically since Mr. Obama took over the role of your failing strategies. At least now we actually see accomplishments coming out of our military instead of tens of thousands of dead civilians and thousands of dead military personnel. If anything his strategies are proven.

          • 3 votes
          #2.10 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:05 AM EDT

          Sure it has... Amazing all the misfit probama sheep only see what they want to see, or only care about what is reported in the press. ASK any soldier serving in theatre if they approve of the new rules of engagement and I guarantee you, you won't find a single person clapping for the white house. Funny thing is, those body bags sure do get filled up by all of the insurgent "insider" threats these days huh. Or don't you pay attention to that little tidbit. Seeings how you apparently have NEVER served in theatre, perhaps you can explain IF the current hierarcy of this administration is supposedly loved by the troops, then why when the DV visits by members of that administration REQUIRE the rent a crowd to stack rifles at the door IN A COMBAT ZONE? see the story And I am a neocon. WOW! What does that make Panetta and Obama... Fascist Socialists?

          • 4 votes
          #2.11 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:52 AM EDT

          I don't know the retirement percentages for military retirement any more. When I retired it was still 50% at 20 years and 75% at 30 years. After I retired they reduced the percentages for anything less than 30%. I also know that if there have been any changes since then, it was only to further reduce the percentages. Looking for a current military pay scale, an O6 with 20 years makes $9370.50 a month in base pay and would get $56223 a year in retirement at 50% but, as I said, they retire with less than that. At 30 years, an O6 makes $10557.30 a year so in retirement, if they still get 75%, that would leave them with $95015.70 a year. I don't know how many years of service this col. has.

          Simply being relieved is one thing and would leave the col. with his normal retirement, whatever than may be. He could also be facing charges under UCMJ and if found guilty could be reduced in paygrade which would reduce his retirement pay, at least on a temporary basis or he could loose everything depending on the type and findings of a courts martial.

          • 2 votes
          #2.12 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:41 AM EDT

          However it was accomplished, 9/11 and Osama are both history now. We need to study it, learn from it and move forward. Fighting about it accomplishes nothing.

          • 1 vote
          #2.13 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:53 AM EDT

          @Rungman,

          Dude, when you retire from the military you don't get 100 percent of your base pay for retirement. You get depending on years of service any where between 50-60 percent. This guy's retirement would be around 6000 bucks a month or so. I'm not great at math but I think I'm close. That's how you get to the 72K a year for retirement.

            #2.14 - Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:45 PM EDT
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            HOOOORA!!!!!

            This i the way it should be. The commander is responsible. Just like real life. If you run a business, you quickly discover you are responsible for everything your employees do.

            If we could just make this the standard for wall street, big banks and, of course, the great and good federal government.

            Sorry, just grumpy tonite.

            • 8 votes
            Reply#3 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:26 PM EDT

            good comment...you are correct, Our govt........I wish the American People who at the end of the day control this out of control govt. understand....these our representatives disgust me....make me ill ...they lie and cheat and turn the english language into understandable chibberish ...but if they beleive it then we the American people should......so sad...too bad......they have no idea what is coming from the American People

            • 2 votes
            #3.2 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:38 PM EDT

            Olivia, Get a life.

            You know how silly your lame comparisons sound?

            • 11 votes
            #3.3 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:42 PM EDT

            I wonder if all you who feel it necessary to stick up for this jackass as well as all the others who assaulted female trainees, are the same yahoos who stuck up for Joe Paterno....who could have STOPPED Sandusky before he was allowed to continue raping and molesting young boys...all of them are perverts who should be hung by their 'schlongs' until they rip off! Enough! Call yourselves men? Anyone who sticks up for these guys doesn't deserve to be called a man...a true man would never force anyone under them in rank or in life to do something harmful to them and against their will. I hope Colonel Palmer gets dragged throuh a court martial as well!

            • 4 votes
            #3.4 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:49 PM EDT
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            stone-pipeDeleted

            Probably wasn't the colonel's fault, it's always a little lame how people pretend the CEO or top officer knew everything that the 5000 people under him did.

            I guess, since this guy's a colonel, he shouldn't have let himself get too far removed from what sergeants were up to.

            • 5 votes
            Reply#5 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:08 PM EDT

            Actually ChestyPuller the Colonel has a staff who's duty it is to brief him daily on current events, policy changes and budget matters. So his Chief of Staff and others did not do their duty which makes him directly responsible for what happens under his watch. No wiggle room out of this one for the soon to be Colonel of the Urinal. The Colonel just pissed away his career by not being briefed properly and what was going on with the female recruits would have been very hard to cover up on a closed base. By the way the CEO is also to be briefed daily on the current situations and future expectations of the performance of the company he manages. The CEO couldn't manage if he/she did not know these important data.

            • 1 vote
            #5.1 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:43 AM EDT
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            I was in basic training at Lackland. As far as I know, nothing like that went on when I was there. I am female. I guess maybe their thinking was--
            "This is what the females are gonna encounter when they get to duty base, so let's train them to be prepared."

            • 1 vote
            Reply#6 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:13 PM EDT

            I was there about a yr ago myself, but we wouldn't necessarily know. When some got called to CQ or had med appt's at Reid, it's not like the whole flight went with.

            • 1 vote
            #6.1 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:04 PM EDT
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            As a minor correction to the facts in this article, there was a little known Air Force training "sex scandal" within Air Education and Training Command (AETC) with certain similarities (inappropriate relations between instructors and students) in the 2001-2002 time frame at Goodfellow AFB, TX. AETC and 2nd Air Force did a pretty good job of damage control at the time and so the incidents escaped public attention. Subsequent to an AETC investigation, six AETC instructors were court martialed. Naturally, being the Air Force, the unit commanders escaped censure for the appalling tenor of their command climate and they were even promoted. From personal knowledge, one of the SNCOs who brought negative command climate facts to the attention of the Wing Commander was even reprimanded for essentially adhering to "core values."

            • 6 votes
            Reply#8 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:21 PM EDT

            Olivia Forever, "Tail-Hook" was the Navy's scandal in 1991. The 2001-2002 Goodfellow AFB scandal was simply technical instructors trying to hook-up with young students, one instructor even got a student pregnant. The two Marine instructors in the school house cadre were the hardest to to discipline,

            • 6 votes
            #8.2 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:58 PM EDT

            Olivia Forever, we believe Granite has a low IQ. He understands very little that you say! Perhaps he on a different wave length.

              #8.3 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:33 AM EDT
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              Not enough details in the article to draw a conclusion. Big difference between rape and fraternization, the only two examples cited.

                Reply#9 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:22 PM EDT

                Both are offenses under the military regulations. Either one will get you a dishonorable discharge to hard time. You can tell who has never served with these comments being espoused like water down a mountain stream.

                • 1 vote
                #9.1 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:49 AM EDT
                Reply

                "This is my rifle, this is my gun...

                This is for killing, this is for fun..."

                • 2 votes
                Reply#11 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:32 PM EDT

                Oldie but goodie!

                • 1 vote
                #11.1 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:40 PM EDT

                900,000 rapes and sodomizing of women, men and childrem in Iraq by US military personnel and no one was prosecuted because war criminal Sec/Def Don Rumsfeld wouldn't allow it. Please Google: General Taguba's report on US military's war crimes in Iraq. Commissioned by Don Rumsfeld who after seeing the true facts (Rape photos, video's, documented testimonies - many of these so grotesque and 'blood curling', one of them included a video of an Iraqi man being forced at 'gun point' to sodomize his own 14 year old son before laughing US Army soldiers!!!') 'ordered' general Taguba to retire 'immediately' lest he and his war crimal military be exposed.

                • 2 votes
                #11.2 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:57 PM EDT

                TheAZCowBoy, Tombstone, AZ. 900,000 rapes and sodomizing of women, men and childrem in Iraq by US military personnel.

                Really? I'm sure you have proof of this? 900,000 people were raped by U.S. military personnel and this escaped the news?

                • 5 votes
                #11.3 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:12 PM EDT

                I call BS, AZCowBoy!

                • 3 votes
                #11.4 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:15 AM EDT
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                Ok folks, I believe this probably has gone on more than we know. This is absolutely outrageous! These young women are starting their military careers and are totally dependent on their TI's during basic training. The TI's have always been held to a higher standard and this is a special duty assignment. In the same instance, a TI should report a recruit who tries to seduce them. That's what should happen if they were PCS. It's called sexual harrassment.

                The commander is totally responsible along with everyone down the chain of command. Would you really want someone in charge who doesn't know what's going on in a combat situation?

                Spent over 24 years in the AF, seen a few things.

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                Reply#12 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:38 PM EDT

                Which is worse, Muslim countries or the USA when it comes to treatment of women?

                By the way, mistreatment of women is NOT an Islamic issue, it is a CUSTOM in these countries. Islam and the Koran admires females.

                But, in the In GoLd They Trust country, the USA, POWER is their deity.

                  #12.1 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:59 PM EDT
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                  Maybe it's time to start putting saltpeter back in the coffee.

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                  Reply#13 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:40 PM EDT

                  Women routinely accuse men of rape, depending on how they "feel" about your sexual encounter with them. Most people do not realize that "rape" now has such a remarkably loose definition that any man who has sex with a woman is essentially willing his life over to her that she may not turn around and accuse him of rape in a moment's notice. When it's her word against yours and the issue is rape, the woman is always right. No evidence is required.

                  Brian Banks never even had sex with the woman who successfully accused him of rape and sent him to 5 yrs in jail. Now imagine his story repeating thousands of times across the country with one exception - no one knows the men behind jail aren't guilty except the woman and the defendant.

                  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/27/brian-banks-exonerated_n_1548823.html

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                  Reply#14 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:42 PM EDT

                  Baldman ..what you're saying here is exactly true...but this is something no one will hear or read about in the liberal media,because of the mindless PC.

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                  #14.1 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:55 PM EDT

                  Are you sure? No evidence required?

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                  #14.2 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:53 PM EDT

                  Baldman we are not just talking one or two women here! We are talking many women!

                    #14.3 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:48 AM EDT

                    Scooter,

                    What "evidence" did the accusers of Brian Banks have against him for raping a woman he has never had sex with that cajoled him into pleading no contest and spending five years in jail?

                    Even though the woman has completely recanted and confessed to making the whole thing up on video, prosecutors still don't think there's enough "evidence" to charge her for filing a false rape accusation.

                      #14.4 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:59 AM EDT
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                      Marlen, what is your point? Of course the security and safety of the Country is the President's first responsibility, was that a bad move killing bin laden?

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                      Reply#15 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:48 PM EDT

                      For what it's worth, the headline sates "AFA" commander...."AFA" relates to the US air force Academy, not the training program at Lackland AFB.

                        Reply#16 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:49 PM EDT

                        "The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the wing commander lost confidence in Palmer's ability to lead the training group."

                        Lost confidence, or just wanted to cover his a$Z? Politics as usual, and the military is not imune to it.

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                        Reply#17 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:01 PM EDT

                        Olivia....if the planning for BinLaden's demise was started during the Bush years...why were all his former "officials" so surprised to find out where he had been for 7 yrs.? Bush's people couldn't even find him! ((eye roll))

                        You folks who post on here need to get your FACTS straight or don't post!!!

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                        Reply#18 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:09 PM EDT
                        ZengaFoooDeleted

                        I was once told by an old CMSgt who had seen many similar scenarios with COs ...

                        The Chief saideth unto me, "Lieutenant Pontifex the man has has two options at this point in his military career.

                        1) Put in for immediate retirement.

                        2) Be put in a room with a loaded Luger and asked do the right thing.

                        " as he ain't gonna be no general."

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                        Reply#20 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:15 PM EDT

                        Your chief was not very wise then. You should know there's a separate set of rules in the officer echelon. Their career may be damaged, but the enlisted would be crucified.

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                        #20.1 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:19 PM EDT
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                        I was wondering when the trolls were going to make this politcal. It didn't take long for those scumbags.

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                        Reply#21 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:16 PM EDT

                        Why is it OBAMA can screw a country and he asks for four more years ... and this guy has subordinates who only screw women and he gets the boot? Just ax'n ... could there be rracism involved. Do blacks get a pass?

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                        Reply#22 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:17 PM EDT

                        This is a case of Pontifex Max, being a total dufus and displaying his prejudice for he whole world to see!

                          #22.1 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:03 AM EDT
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                          When are they going to boot OBAMA for being an idiot and for screwing the whole USA?

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                          Reply#23 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:19 PM EDT
                          Comment author avatarTheAZCowBoy, Tombstone, AZ.Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                          Oh my, screwing the female recruits at Lackland AFB can get ya 20 years in the stockade.

                          But, slaughthering 24 Iraqi women and children (Haditha massacres) and you are allowed rto walk?!!!"

                          God bless racist AmeriKKKa, huh Pilgrims?

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                          #23.1 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:32 PM EDT

                          When is Obama going to get his?

                          After Bush, Cheney, Rice, Wolfowitz and general's (Kommandants) Geoffery Miller (GITMO) and Ricardo Sanchez (Abu Ghraib) are burning in hell.

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                          #23.2 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:39 PM EDT

                          Yeah....and after little georgie W left the country in such great shape for him.

                          The teapublicans caused a sh!t storm and you blame Obama for the smell.

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                          #23.3 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:56 PM EDT

                          Pontifex SDSTFU and get over yer prejudice~I am embarrassed for you~don't you realize how stupid and prejudicial your comments are! Obama wouldn't dignify yer sorry ASS by responding to your ignorant self! But, I will; cause my dignity was lost during Viet Nam~thanks to phony flag-waving armchair hypocrites like Rove, Cheney, Bush and others who never did any real military service!

                            #23.4 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:09 AM EDT
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                            If the Commander was a black ... he would not have been sacked ... IS THERE RACISM IN THE USAF?

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                            Reply#24 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:20 PM EDT

                            I think not, it would have been worse.

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                            #24.1 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:17 PM EDT
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                            A new US AF Training Base for women in boot camp in California or Florida

                              Reply#25 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:20 PM EDT

                              What is the VEGAS LINE that the next CO at Lackland is:

                              1) A Black (Minority)

                              2) A Black (Minority) Female

                              Watch and see if it does not come to pass ... In fact, it would not surprise me if USAF appoint a Black (Minority) Female carpetmuncher ... to demonstrate just how politically correct and sensitive to diversity they are.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#26 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:23 PM EDT

                              We really need more people like you around, just think how much better this country would be if everyone in it was white; then who would you blame your problems on?

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                              #26.1 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:19 PM EDT

                              I don't know about you, but the first person I can think of blaming would be the dumb@$$ in the White House who goes by the name O-B-A-M-A.

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                              #26.2 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:51 AM EDT
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                              Here is a thought for you prognosticators ...

                              If therer were no women in military service ... this would not be in the news now would it. Just say'in.

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                              Reply#27 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:29 PM EDT

                              Ooh, I have another good idea! Let's eliminate all rapes in this country by passing laws so all the whores...whoops, I mean females, don't show any skin. Maybe they should wear some kind of big black covering that keeps us poor men from being tempted by a flash of their hair or skin or lips or ankles. Because you know, we are smart and disciplined enough to land on Mars and protect our country and invent amazing technology, but every last one of us is just so immoral and uncontrolled that we can't restrain ourselves from raping if we see an inch of female skin.

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                              #27.1 - Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:21 AM EDT
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                              Goodbye career..............Didn't meet very many officers I liked. This bozo sure would have been one of them. He knew what was going on and looked the other way.

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                              Reply#28 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:30 PM EDT

                              OBAMA did not kill Bin Laden ... The Seal Team killed Bin Laden ... OBAMA just took the credit.

                              Bill Gates did not build MicroSoft ... he had help ... FORD did not build cars ... the Government built those cars ... oh I forgot ... that is GM ... Never Mind.

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                              Reply#29 - Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:32 PM EDT
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