Drugs dont hallucinate. People do.

Mega clipsize marihuana available now for homeusage.

He didn't want to be unarmed in case of a faceoff.

I guess that old rule still applies - never take a knife to a gunfight!

Yes, in my life I've seen a lot of crazy, aggressive potheads... Mad munchies i guess.

Somins weird bout this.

Vivian - Anyone that has smoked pot can almost guarantee there are other factors in place here.. MJ does NOT have these kinds of affects on an individual.

I don't understand why this guy thought he needed a knife, let alone a large paramilitary type, edged assault knife!

Knife control now!

Swamp - 50%? More like 5%, if that. Thats ridiculous. I've been around potheads my entire life and have never seen anything aggressive.. ALCOHOL on the other hand, forget about it. Personally, I'd rather be around a bunch of potheads than alcoholics ANY day of the week.

I smoked pot for about 25 YEARS and there is no way pot would make this person Violent, just some BS propaganda by the RIGHT.

Did they forget their taser gun?

Awesome, exactly two posts in and there's already someone trying to blame this on the weed. If the cops had noticed this guy drinking in public and the same situation occurred, would anyone be saying alcohol should be banned? No, of course not. How about looking for the actual reasons behind this instead of just pinning it on the first factor that seems convenient?

"marijauna does have ad verse effects on about 50% of the population"

Please show facts on this claim , ad verse affects ?

"Please read some medical journals!"

Where ? specifically about Cannabis and it's "ad verse effects"

You probably had to read what you wrote about 25x before clicking Post Comment, right Sam.

And you guys, not everyone smokes pot alone. Alot of olks smoke pot laced with alot of other stuff, like PCP and such which does not make them "mellow". On the contrary. So get off the oh my superior drug kick.

Sometimes, drugs can cause a person with an already-existing mental condition to snap. Those individuals should stay away from certain substances, like marijuana or psychedelics.

That being said, the large majority of the population is of sane mind, and would not experience this kind of response when using a 'soft' drug like weed.

And have they confirmed it was indeed real marijuana? There are a lot of shady, quasi-legal 'herbal blends' these days that have caused a lot of trouble.

MDB123,

No sh!!. They had to shoot him 10 times! Are you kidding me? Are we really at the shoot first ask questions later point in time? Just like the face eater in Miami, they shot him dead. He was naked and unarmed. WTF is going on? Taser anyone? What happen to all of the training on apprehending and subduing a suspect. Cops are getting lazy. Remember, deadly force is supposed to be the absolute last resort! Taser, pepper spray, billy club. WTF is wrong with the cops man?

Also, anyone that thinks pot makes anyone violent is a stupid nitwit, period. Don't be a fool. When there is any, and I mean any disruption, domestic dispute, driving death, bar fight, belligerent fan at a gathering or ballgame, it is ALWAYS the drunk people. Always alcohol, NEVER pot. Don't be a stupid fk and spread that crap on here because you will be called out every time. You are the reason why ignorance exists on the subject. The reality is right there in front of you everyday of the week, all you need to do is get the stuffing out of your brain and open your eyes.

Personally, I think cops shouldn't be allowed to carry guns (tasers, spray, batons, rubber bullets, etc. is fine), and people be allowed to carry guns if legally permitted.. That way, cops are focused in doing their job correctly while being polite and civilized to people while performing their duties. (lil sarcasm...lil bit)

How hard is it to develop a tranquilizer type device that would end senseless police shootings and deaths?

Was he high when he equipped himself with the machete like knife?

He was hostile before smoking pot and after smoking pot. That is my opinion.

Always a candyass after the fact saying what they would have done, hey ashamed.

tcola187,

Brilliant post. Great point and I totally agree. They can put down large dangerous wild animals with tranquilizer guns so why not humans? That would get the same result which is to neutralize the threat and maintain safety for the public. Not to mention save lives. But. They will always need a real gun to stop someone instantly in extreme circumstances though.

Right. You use necessary force to compel compliance. I can see how the guy with a knife was posing a danger to others, but to fire off ten rounds at a fleeing suspect in a crowded area? Hmm...

Jon Jones,

go ahead and tell us exactly what I said I would do. Waiting....That's right. I didn't say anything like that. I wasn't there, I am not a trained officer. Don't be a dick.

Let me know when you have something relevant to my actual comments before you decide to call me out by name.

Why even make non lethal weapons?

He was clearly outnumbered and outgunned.

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

Excessive Force? Yet I clearly don't know all the details.

As one cop told me "This is a post 9/11 NY" "You don't have any rights"

My point to you exactly ashamed, you weren't there. He may have been getting close to women, children with that fk'n machete. I suppose if it was your family you'd want them to wait and see what happens. Right.

Opinions are like *ssh*les. Everybody's got one. Hoorah!

Jon Jones,

The phone video looks like they waited till he was clear of pedestrians then they opened fire.

But I do agree with you.

Cops are people too.

Wow, New York's "finest" can't even run fast enough to catch someone who is carrying a "machete type" knife. It's extremely sad when a lazy pot-head is in better physical shape than a cop.

I think there should be a regulation that cops not be allowed to eat donuts or any other fattening foods.

If he had a knife and was running it was apparently away from them since witnesses said they were chasing him. Guess they shot him in the back because he wouldn't take orders like they want.

Jon Jones,

Yes, you are right, I would want them to wait and let a guy running from the cops stab my kids, lol. I know what you are trying to say, why not just say it in the first place? I understand. It just seems like some of these could be shots to extremities or the torso. Why is it a shot dead scenario when these situations happen?

Believe me, this guy with the knife brought this on himself. Can't lunge at a cop with any stabbing weapon and not expect to get shot. I just thought that the dead part was a bit much. I guess martial law it is?

ashamed, it's like I said in a later post, try being placed in a situation with a guy with a machete and you with a gun and see what the outcome is. I bet if it was done over 15 times each time the outcome may be different. I'm not also saying they did everything right, what I am saying is it is hard to judge without being the one in the situation. Step in their shoes in some of these situations and see. Than talk.

ptownz, you know what "ad verse effects" are. It's when smoking causes you to come up with ad slogans and catchphrases like "Just Do It" and "Where's the beef?"

Jon Jones,

I agree with that. Your best post so far, lol.

Cops are human. I wouldn't let someone stab me without firing a shot for sure. I see where you are getting at and you are right. Thanks for reminding me that until you walk a mile in someones shoes you just don't know.

dissapointed and ashamed

MDB123,

No sh!!. They had to shoot him 10 times! Are you kidding me? Are we really at the shoot first ask questions later point in time? Just like the face eater in Miami, they shot him dead. He was naked and unarmed. WTF is going on? Taser anyone? What happen to all of the training on apprehending and subduing a suspect. Cops are getting lazy. Remember, deadly force is supposed to be the absolute last resort! Taser, pepper spray, billy club. WTF is wrong with the cops man?

Yeah, far too many cops, especially the big-city cops in places like NYC, have become "shoot first, ask the questions later" morons. No argument from me on that.

Also, anyone that thinks pot makes anyone violent is a stupid nitwit, period. Don't be a fool. When there is any, and I mean any disruption, domestic dispute, driving death, bar fight, belligerent fan at a gathering or ballgame, it is ALWAYS the drunk people. Always alcohol, NEVER pot. Don't be a stupid fk and spread that crap on here because you will be called out every time. You are the reason why ignorance exists on the subject. The reality is right there in front of you everyday of the week, all you need to do is get the stuffing out of your brain and open your eyes.

Really? Driving deaths are never caused by someone high on pot simply because pot
doesn't make people violent"? HA! Here's something to put in your bong: According to yuo and those who believe as you do, pot makes people relaxed and "mellow", basically NOT able to pay close attention to things such as traffic because they are NOT alert enough to pay close attention to it; someone who is that "mellow" while driving will cross the center line, and plow into on-coming traffic before they can react, likely killing someone else in the process -- and that, son, is called NEGLIGENT VEHICULAR MANSLAUGHTER, at the very least.

And I have known far too many pot-heads who NEVER got drunk or did any of the "hard" drugs such as heroin or crack -- they smoked ONLY their own home-grown stuff -- who "coincidentally" happened to become violent while high on pot to even begin to believe that smoking pot will NEVER make anyone violent. Face it, you're wrong.

Wow, I canonly read so many posts. Keep talking about excessive force, gun control? Anything you want, I can honestly tell this man was not allJacked UP on pot, yuo @!$%#ingidiots! Before you all blame things on drugs that are the problem, lets find out the facts. Idiots! A man wielding a knife was going after people, and are great officers, especially in NYC did what they had to do! Imagine that yhe media is goin to call it excesive force! Once again Media you are the problem@!$%#ers!

Police said the man, whom they observed smoking marijuana, became belligerent when officers approached him. He threatened officers with a large knife, police said.

Apparently the man was fine smoking his weed and bothering no one. Only until the police made their presence, then all hell broke loose. I guess pot smokers need to watch put for the police now. Apparently it's ok to kill people that smoke pot now.

FUK the NYPD. They instigated the whole mess they created and killed a man that was just smoking a joint.

WTF is wrong with America? It's time for the peoiple to strike back at these corrupt cops and change the laws on pot smoking. I don't smoke period, but shyt, I see no harm in a person sitting around enjoying a doobie.

Another person the system failed

Does nobody else think this guy was just an A**hole?

How do they know that he smoked weed? To kill man with the knife with more then 10 bullets?

Now it's again will be more gun control and weed control.

Show one statistic. You are right, never was the wrong word. I should have said "extremely rare" instead. I'm sure if you searched hard enough you could find a few accidents while someone is "stoned". But, the drunks own the day. Many movements, starting with M.A.D.D. changed awareness and the laws pertaining to drunk driving. I don't remember anything at all about the danger or citizen outrage over "stoned" or pot related accidents or deaths. I myself think no one should drive under any influence, except for caffeine, lol.

Also, no, I won't face your thought that I'm wrong, statistically speaking. I say that person was probably already an angry guy before he smoked the pot. Why you are blaming the pot for this individuals emotions is beyond me. But, any level headed person can see patterns. Sorry, your statement doesn't hold water. Drunks=angry, pot heads=mellow. Got it BOY. Don't call me son. I'm a 38 yr old man.

Agnon Mema, the above comment was for you BTW. Comment 1.40. Responding to your comment 1.34. Just so I am clear.

Disappointed and Ashamed -

Naah, I agree. I real gun will always be necessary. Although, like i said, there should be a solid alternative to using a gun as mentioned. The use of a gun should be the very, very last resort and there should be a mandatory investigation procedure and trial type process after a gun is used by a police officer who takes a life. There should be enough red tape and BS to deal with after a situation like this, that forces / motivates a police officer to take every possible step before making the conscious decision to shoot to kill.

This situation could have been avoided. The man obviously wasn't in the right frame of mind and needed to be off the streets, but death?

Everyone has had those crazy moments where you just broke up with a GF, wife, job loss, etc., and are definitely not in the right frame of mind.. Mixed with alcohol or drugs just amplifies it, but it doesn't mean your a killer, or have the intent to harm others, it just means your temporarily effed up in the head. You don't deserve to die because of it.

The man must have been early for the next OWS meeting.

So what's the lesson here--If you smoke pot, don't carry a knife while running away from the police? I betcha the police gave that pot smoker a knife & told him to run away with it. If they had handcuffed him behind his back, he probably would have stabbed himself in the head with it.

So much for the idea that pot makes you happy, happy, happy. I just love listening to a bunch of worthless pot heads trying to justify their usage of this drug. I don't care if you are using ecstasy, heroin, cocaine, or marijuana... you're all just druggies who need to cop out on life because of some deficiency of character.

The guy was wielding a knife and could have hurt anyone at any time... he needed to be stopped and if he didn't stop when ordered to do so, then yes, stopping him was necessary by whatever means was available. You don't run through the streets wielding a knife... it could be hazardous to your health.

Descrs
I'm 61. Graduated from high school in 1969. So I'm from the 'druggie' era. In my younger days I went to a lot of parties. I never, ever saw anyone who was just smoking pot get violent. But I sure saw a lot of violence from those drinking alcohol. These days though the pot possibly laced with something or combined with something.

And no, I didn't turn out to be a druggie. Graduated from college, worked since I was 14 and have paid a lot of taxes. Never, never had any sort of car accident, etc. In short, I, like most of my friends grew up, raised families, and have made a good life.

Even today I would rather be around someone who has smoked pot as opposed to someone who has been drinking. I haven't smoked in probably 40 years but there are times I sure wish I could. Especially after a long, hard day. Sigh, they probably will legalize it after I'm gone.

I cannot physically tolerate pot- I don't see a point in paying for something that will make me insanely hungry and then pass out. But I think the people blaming pot are off their rockers. As others have said, I'd rather be around a pothead than a drunk any day of the week. And I believe it should be legalized.

We aren't talking about bath salts or PCP here, we're talking about pot.

Maybe if those "officers" weren't a jelly-donut and diet coke away from 300 pounds, they could of caught him on foot.

Jus sayin'

Still doesn't change the fact that there are a million times the number of violent incidents involving alcohol.

The fact this guy was smoking pot is completely irrelevant. He was likely also on something else that wasn't mentioned. Probably also drinking alcohol.

This really stinks, now Romney is going to have to find a new running mate.

Pot smokers are not "druggies". I think you would be surprised. I smoke pot. Not everyday but sometimes. Usually when camping. Maybe if I had a rough week or down on life because of money problems or whatever. It helps with anxiety and stress.

It really does help me focus on the important things in life. Sometimes you need to wind down and forget about bills and work for a time. Helps cleanse the soul. I am 38 yrs old. Own a house and 2 vehicles. I've worked since I was 16. It's easy to get caught up in the money,work, and bills whirlpool.

I live in a neighborhood with a geologist, real estate owner, a member of the state legislature, a business owner, and a lesbian, lol, true. They all smoke pot. You can't realistically categorize them as druggie cop out losers.

I think anyone who lives in a cave who has never been outside of the "Mayberry" inside their head should get out and see the world around them because they are wrong about people. You shouldn't judge people like that. You are probably surrounded by "druggies".

If you think druggie burnouts that loaf around and never achieve anything are that way because they consume pot then you might as well blame everything else they consume. Maybe it's the individual that's the "burnout" underachiever. They probably use it to relieve their stress of being a worthless loaf, lol.

Do you drink coffee or drink alcohol? Then you are a "druggie" and a "drunk". I smoke pot and I am successful so now what? It's not fair to blame a substance for someone's actions. It's the same as sugar making kids hyper and misbehave, it's not true. Look it up. So maybe learn a bit more about the substance before you categorize all consumers.

Last thing. Sometimes not everyone wants to be what you think they should be. Maybe some people just want an easy life. That's the beauty of life man, you get to live it the way you want. You only get one crazy spin on this earth so why cut down others for how they want to live? Seems a bit selfish and degrading. Especially when it doesn't effect anyone in a negative way.

I worked with a guy. Retired after 50 years at this company. I asked him "why don't you own the company by now?" and he basically said he didn't want it. He started there right after high school and was married to the same woman, had a few kids. He wanted to go to work and go home to his family everyday. That is all he wanted. The simple life. She made him his lunch everyday, they payed their bills, and they are still in love today. That's a beautiful thing. I wish I was just like him. He didn't worry about being rich or super successful. Just enjoyed what he had. That's all he needed.

That gentleman was a pot smoker. Hmmm.....maybe time to rethink your outlook sir.

I don't understand why this guy thought he needed a knife, let alone a large paramilitary type, edged assault knife!

Knife control now!

Sorry, unless you're Rambo, a man wielding a knife can't wound 70 people within several minutes. Try again?

Apparently the man was fine smoking his weed and bothering no one. Only until the police made their presence, then all hell broke loose. I guess pot smokers need to watch put for the police now. Apparently it's ok to kill people that smoke pot now.

FUK the NYPD. They instigated the whole mess they created and killed a man that was just smoking a joint.

WTF is wrong with America? It's time for the peoiple to strike back at these corrupt cops and change the laws on pot smoking. I don't smoke period, but shyt, I see no harm in a person sitting around enjoying a doobie.

No, they didn't shoot a man for smoking pot. They shot a belligerent man for brandishing a large knife in public (a hazard to those around him). And they didn't instigate anything. Police walking up to ask someone questions about the pot they are smoking is not instigating. They were probably just going to ask him for his permit (I'm not sure what the marijuana laws are in NY, but I highly doubt they just simply looked at him smoking pot and then unloaded on his a$$).

I agree/you umbraobscura. But to

Sam627556

I smoked pot for about 25 YEARS and there is no way pot would make this person Violent, just some BS propaganda by the RIGHT. As usual you make excuses for bad behavior/criminal behavior! Welding a knife, no matter the size in a public is a danger to all that are within reach! It had nothing to do with right or left! He was a menace, cops couldn't safely take him down, he was shot! End of story! As for MJ a totally nonviolent drug, I don't know all the facts on it, ut if combined with alcohol, PCP, or any other drug, including perscription drugs, could cause adverse affects. If you weren't there,just wait till you have all the facts before you judge the police too harshly! Oh! Maybe you're one of those cop haters till you need them!

Brandishing seems any excuse is enough

Driving deaths are never caused by someone high on pot simply because pot
doesn't make people violent"?

No deaths can be tied to cannabis usage.

All documented accidents where cannabis was present in the system, so was alcohol or other drugs.

Cannabis can be present in your system up to 90 days after just a single use.

Face it, you're wrong.

No, you're wrong. Your friends never got violent from just smoking cannabis. Your friends had aggression issues before smoking. You can spout whatever nonsense you want, but it will never make it right.

This is what is wrong with society. Spreading misinformation to push agendas.

Cigarettes kill almost 500,000 people a year and costs tax payers billions in health care.

Alcohol kills almost 100,000 people a year and costs tax payers billions in health care.

Cannabis kills zero people a year and costs tax payers nothing in health care. It is actually proved to be beneficial in the medical field.

Jesus, some of you are so extreme in your defense of pot that you flat out attack ANYONE who adds even the smallest amount of fact to the discussion. Heaven help anyone who gets between you and your ability to lay on your @ss and smoke all day.

Enough with cannibis is good for that, or it will help the budget, or cure cancer, or get us to the moon blah blah blah. The FACT is that it IS a psychoactive drug and like any drug, it will affect people differently. If it didn't have the ability to radically change your perception and mood you wouldn't be smoking it. But for some people, just like other drugs, it can have adverse effects and there is plenty of documentation of it. It can also acerbate pre-existing mental conditions. That is also a well known fact.

So please, drop the over used gun, car, alcohol, and cigarette comparisons.

My wife and I were just talking about this same type of incident not just a few months ago would occur. So many people and organizations came forward pushing for the legalization of pot we just knew a "pot related" incident was going to become a media frenzy in the near future. Spoonfed propaganda and the sheep line up to the trough.

I have smoked pot and knew many who did as well in my younger years. Pot does not make you violent. But people who haven't any experience with it can only go by what they are told about it. And these days the media can lie, misinterpret, use things out of context and exaggerate things to promote whatever agenda is on the list currently to lead gullible citizens down a guided path.

If Jesus passed a joint around at the last supper instead of wine, I'd bet this wouldn't even be an issue. Sorry to offend the religious fanatics but that's how I see it.

I've quoted my psychology professor in the past to show how the media can be used to manipulate people towards an agenda. Let me re-post so many who haven't read it can see what I mean.

A survey was taken to see what factors would cause someone to use cocaine. Ten users were tested and nine out of ten said they had started smoking pot. Well, obviously this was used by the media to say pot user become cocaine users and is a gateway drug. You get that impression just from the information given to manipulate the way you think. But it goes futher. Nine out of ten cocaine users also drank milk. Hmmm...now what does that lead you to believe?

I believe there was more to this guy than just smoking a joint to cause the problem that just occurred. But since he is dead it won't be anything we could ask him now is it?

Got news for you people who say the cops were in the wrong for shooting that knife welding knife, you confront the guy, ask him politely; please Mr. dope smoking knife welding man, put the knife down so you won't feel ashamed later, if you hurt or kill some innocent bystander. Ya right? NOT! If I was packing a firearm and some nutcase with a knife was welding a knife, that sucker would be in the Morgue!!! I don't believe cops should shoot someone that's unarmed, but obviously he was armed! End of story!!!

Disappointed..

We have similar lives.. I'm 34, have worked full time since I was 15 years old. I've been with my company for 13 years. I consider myself mildly successful. Married, two children, two new cars, a house, dog, etc. Currently being paid to live and work in Hawaii. I've been here since January, my company fronting all my living expenses and costs. I smoke, and have done so off and on for the past 16 years. I don't drink alcohol, or dabble in anything else.

Point being, people that have lived with their head in the sand their entire lives cannot comprehend a life like I just described. Its either white or black. If you smoke pot, you're a strung out druggie who needs an intervention. I too know and associate with other professionals, whom are all successful, well-to-do people who enjoy the occasional bowl or joint. It's so ridiculous that its still illegal, I just have to laugh. If it was up to me, I'd ban alcohol and legalize MJ.

Len - So.... Were all the batteries for the tasers dead that day or something? Just had to go straight for the .40 cal's? You'd feel much different if it were someone you knew, I promise you that. Its no surprise though, cops shoot at will anyone who they feel is a threat, armed or unarmed, cellphone mistaken for a gun, etc.. Nothing ever happens to the cops, they can put a bullet in your childs head and suffer ZERO consequence. Your ok with that though, right?

Damn, how would it be to believe everything you read.. The internet is all true right? Our Government doesn't lie to you right? When the media and news reports something to you, its the 100% complete truth, right? Ha.. Jesus, open your eyes.

got weed...you bet...

"This is a crowded area. Lot of people walking around here," Delgado said. “It was scary because a shooting starts here someone could get hurt quickly."

So, apparently everyone but the police involved here understood the danger in discharging a firearm?

Marijuana prohibition began with a lie that went unchallanged and that LIE has since morphed into A MASTERPIECE IN THE ART OF BRAINWASHING as evident by the morons who are posting here blaming a harmless plant for the actions of gun toting bullies with a badge.

The guy "provoked" the entire situation NOT WITH A KNIFE, but with a joint - a HARMLESS JOINT that the cops saw as an opportunity to get an easy bust. If the joint was legal, AS IT SHOULD BE, then there is NO STORY, NO INCIDENT and everyone in Times Square goes about their daily business.

NBC mis reporting AGAIN. They forget the important fact every other news service is reporting... they sprayed the guy 6 times with pepper spray.

Anyone who believes that pot causes people to be aggressive is simply a misguided and uninformed. In fact, pot's effects are the complete opposite, in that they actually induce passive behavior. The indivdual who was shot had other issues that were responsible for his actions, and to conclude that pot was the cause, is simply ridiculous!

Hey Bloomberg, Maybe you better focus on drugs, vagrants, homeless, and knife wielding idiots, and leave the breast feeding alone....

So, the Guy was "bearing arms" and was shot by Police for "allegedly" becoming belligerant (spelling?) and threatening them by running away from them?

Do Police Officers in NYC have the ability to advise whomever they've approached to speak with that they have flipped a switch on a recording device that they're wearing (for quality control purposes of "not lying" behind that made-in-china plastic badge, of course) AND END THIS HE SAID/SHE SAID BEFORE JUST MURDERING AN ACCUSED "FLEEING" THREATEN-ER???????? I sure would have liked to have heard "that" beligerence! (spelling?, again)

GMAFB!!! Give us all a BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!

No, pot doesn't cause aggression. If it did, this story wouldn't be news.

Hope he's OK..

It is a sad story, to kill a man because of a joint. I could see shooting him if he was going after them with his knife or after another person but he was not, he was moving away from them. Yep he was a real hardend crimminal for smoking a joint. 10 shots is a little over kill, heck one is over kill for this

Crazy Talk Kid

Does nobody else think this guy was just an A**hole?

As some people would say, "it takes one to know one" -jussayin-

However, there was no issue until the police got involved, and then all hell broke loose. We are only hearing one side of the story here, and do you honestly think the police are going to admit they killed a man in cold blood? If so, then maybe you should move to NY if you actually believe the police there are going to protect you.

Jack from Jax

I guess that old rule still applies - never take a knife to a gunfight!

Especially when you're dealing with murderous cops.

Another overkill, sounds like a shooting gallery out there, with MANY people around. I wonder if all 10 rounds hit him. After the murder, another feeding frenzy starts across the street when the cops start yelling and pushing people, now that's on the other side of the street.

tcola siad "if it was up to me, i'd ban alcohol and legalize mj."

it is up to you!!! WAKE THE PHUCK UP!!!! get off your ass and get active. vote. write blogs. post on web forums your utter hatered for the prohibition of a harmless plant.

Sam62...

Now why would you bring politics into this...blaming the right? Let's see...didn't Obama tell federal law enforcement to "back off" when it came to busting people and businesses in states that have medical marijuana laws? But he is the same president who now is telling his henchmen to go after them? Tell me, why only the right? Do you believe that all dems want pot legalized?? I didn't think so...

There are many of us conservatives who support the decriminalization and legalization of marijuana. Don't try and lump us all into "those whacky righties"...'cause there's plenty of whacky lefties as well!

Disappointed and Ashamed, it is pretty obvious that you have watched entirely too much TV and not read nearly enough information on weapons. Tasers don't always work. A tranquilizer gun takes MINUTES to work. Do you want to be inclose proximity to someone with a large knife who is on drugs AND angry while you wait for the tranquilizers to take effect? For that matter, have you EVER looked at the effectiveness of handgun rounds? The lethality is not what is portrayed on TV. The shooter, Michael Platte, in the FBI shootout in Miami in 1984 was mortally wounded within seconds of the beginning of the shootout but still managed to kill 2 FBI agents and wounded numerous others including two seriously. Soldiers in war frequently wounded repeatedly but are able to continue fighting. That despite that they are shot with rifles that are 7 times more lethal than handguns. Then there's also the issue of rounds fired versus rounds that hit. The average shooting involving a police officer frequently involves many more rounds being fired than actually hit the target. I can empty the 13 round magazine on one of my handguns in under 6 seconds. That means that I can fire 2-3 rounds before the person that I was shooting at could fall, and possibly even more. Since most people who have taken any form of self defense training are told to keep firing until the threat is COMPLETELY NEUTRALIZED, that means that until the threat is on the ground, you keep shooting.

I would say that the guy probably had some form of mental problems or was smoking something other than just pot. When you take a knife to a gun fight, you have to not be stupid about it. When the guys with guns tell you to put down the knife, you put down the knife.

Sorry, unless you're Rambo, a man wielding a knife can't wound 70 people within several minutes. Try again?

@RTypo

Not sure where you pulled the "70 people" stat from. Or even the "several minutes." But you're right. I don't think anyone would argue that knives are as or more dangerous than guns, in the hands of a determined killer. On the other hand, they can be terrifyingly deadly. In one massacre a man with a knife killed 8 children, wounded 2 adults and 13 children. In another, someone killed 7 adults and wounded 10 using a truck and then a knife. I found those within a couple minutes of google searches, I'm sure there are other examples.

Dangerous, disturbed people use what weapons they can find.

Gotta love the little crybabies trying to claim the guy was killed for smoking weed. First off, smoking pot in public is still breaking the law. If you don't like it, get the law changed, but don't coming whining here when the cops were simply enforcing the law by approaching the guy.

Secondly, if ur stupid enough to lunge at cops who have their guns pointed at you with an 11 inch knife, it's not the cops fault you get shot.

Not sure where you pulled the "70 people" stat from. Or even the "several minutes." But you're right. I don't think anyone would argue that knives are as or more dangerous than guns, in the hands of a determined killer.

The Colorado theater shooting? Really, you didn't hear about that one? 70 people wounded, 12 of which died. All within a matter of seconds from one @!$%# wielding several weapons including a semi-automatic weapon with a 100 round magazine.

The original poster seemed to be belittling those who are calling for gun control in the wake of the recent Colorado incident by snidely saying we should ban military knives as well. I was just pointing out the huge difference and that those calling for bans on military rifles are not being frivolous and unreasonable.

I think the dude was crazy, even the biggest pothead knows well enough not to threaten police with a large knife.

Hungry, happy, sleepy, those are the effects of marijuana.

Throw crazy in and all bets are off, but don't blame the marijuana.

@RTypo: Yes, I heard about the Colorado theater shooting. I didn't recall the specific "70 wounded" number, but more importantly, I was pointing out that you don't need to get to "70 in a few minutes" to be "a lot." 8 children killed, 2 adults and 13 children wounded is more than enough whether or not it matches the specific criteria of 70 wounded.

Many massacres have happened with "non-military" guns as well. Guns, like all other weapons, are deadly. Handguns, not so-called "military assault" weapons were used in the Virginia Tech shootings. Also, IIRC, in the most recent massacre, the Sikh Temple Shootings.

It isn't absurd to point out the potential for a slippery slope in the banning of what many consider self-defense tools. Just out of curiosity, what do you consider a "military rifle"? For years that meant "automatic", then it came to mean "any weapon with certain cosmetic features" (most of which have not factored into most actual massacres.)

Do you realize he only managed to fire 30 rounds from his 100 round drum? You don't need "military style" weapons to slaughter and wound many, many people.

I realize all that but the "slippery slope" argument is absurd in my view. First off, a knife has many uses other than stabbing and killing. A firearm is made to kill, period. Sure it might be fun for target practice but so would a working Sherman tank or shoulder fired missile launcher.

I'd limit magazines to 10 rounds over a certain calibre. Say 9 mm or so. If somebody can continuously shoot for 100 (or even 30 rounds) without swapping magazines then we have a problem. If the theatre shooter had to swap magazines 3 times during the massacre that took place, less people would have been hit and the possibility of somebody tackling the guy while reloading would have been greater in my opinion.

Now I know many people already have high capacity magazines. I have a 16 round .22 calibre rifle myself. I'd suggest a national buy weapons program where we buy as many high capacity magazines and weapons from gun owners as possible to be disposed of. Then impose harsh penalties against gun manufactures who might try to sell 10+ round magazines to civilians (non police and military) from this point forward. People who already own assault weapons would only be penalized if they try to sell to somebody else.

The idea is to make it harder for high capacity weapons to fall into the wrong hands, not to take away the right of responsible gun ownership. Nobody needs more than 10 rounds to defend their family or to hunt in my opinion.

Thank you for providing absolutely no evidence to back up your statement. May I suggest throwing in a purple dragon named Spangles next time? He's a hit at parties.

Smoked a lot of weed back in the day and NEVER had the need to pull a weapon on anyone. You actually think pot was the cause of the problem? Kind of like saying the Batman movie caused the deaths in Aurora CO.

Back in the day I burned the rope a few times too. I can't remember ever threatening anybody.

This guy sounds like he was an accident waiting to happen.

Billie must have been mondostoked before writing that bit of his. Never used any weed has he... Legalize pot asap. It would hurt less people than guns.

Should we outlaw alcohol? They have adverse effects when mixed with narcotics, too.

Billie has no clue what he/she is talking about! If it was legalized the cops never would have stopped him!

No one needs an assault knife like the one the pot head had!

And don't get me started on the ones with multiple blades that can be concealed.

Knives should be restricted to abortions only!

Drunk people are far more violent; alcohol ought to be banned and marijuana legalized, instead.

The knife and the pot were both planted by the cops... they were getting even for a personal vendetta.

Alcohol kills people every damn day yet you don't see these MORONS saying lets ban Alcohol wonder why, could it be they're to damn stupid to admit it, Or do they have stocks in the big liquor companies.

"Back in the day I burned the rope a few times too. I can't remember ever threatening anybody."

Ah, you can't remember...

100yrs ago it wasn't illegal, and this didn't happen, course if he had a gun instead of a knife , they woulda talked him down.

This violence has become so common in our day. And the man may have been smoking MJ but Marijuana is not what caused him to do this. A person could be on his way to commit murder and decide to have a beer along the way. The beer didn't cause him to do it though; he just wanted to have one period. Ask any police if he would rather go on a domestic violence call hearing that the person is smoking marijuana or drinking some beers and they are going to take the MJ call everytime.

Hey! Wait wait wait, lol. I smoke pot periodically. Should be legal. No question. But, please don't take my Sam Adams away, lol. I love a tasty hand crafted brew every once in awhile. I already have to hide in the shadows to smoke pot as it is, like a common criminal. Now if you want to go top of the list of what should really be illegal, how about tobacco? Isn't that the real killer out of the three?

Moron

tell thetruth,

no need to be down on yourself dude. Buck up little camper. Turn that frown upside down. I know, say "puppy", lol. How can you keep from smiling when you say "puppy" eh?

d&s You crack me up. I'm a senior citizen & have smoked pot since 1970 but I also like my Corona. lol

Thanks pixie,

got to keep it peaceful. That's what us pot smokers do, lol. Gotta laugh and not be so serious all the time.

A friend with weed is a friend indeed.

billie, if he where just on weed, he would have just laughed at the cops and ate their lunch.

I'd be more concerned with a drunk guy wielding a large knife than a guy high on pot. Alcohol is much more dangerous imo.

This is one of the side effects of the marijuana.

No it isn't. Stop lying because you're too lazy to learn the truth about it.

That is a side effect of alcohol and harder drugs.

100yrs ago it wasn't illegal

Strangely enough, it was made illegal (1937) one year after Henry Ford developed plastics, fuel, lubricants and fabric from it. It was never made illegal because people were smoking it. It was made illegal because it could replace several industries with a superior material. To this day, those same industries lobby ( line politicians pockets) to keep it illegal.

If anyone has ever seen the movie Reefer Madness, you'll remember the propaganda about people turning in to crazed serial killers or that if your white daughter smoked it, she would end up dating a black man.

Well I maybe a legalize supporter and I know pot did not cause this situation, but it probably did not help much either. Now while I have no fact's to support a damn thing. What I do have is 40 year's of experience and know smokeing pot may not make everyone act this way. And many out there may never see this side of a person's behavior. I also know it will intensify behavioral short coming's and if those are bad, they may get worse, if someone push's the right emotional trigger. Exactly what the cop's did confronting this man.

An a-hole become's an even bigger A-hole, the paranoid become over reactive, the nut's just become nuttier, the happy become happier and last but not least the peace loving become flower power children and so on.

So this act by this man is in no way a normal response by a normal person. It is also far and few for the pot smoker's and would not be the same response by many, just because they smoked pot. Other than possibly those with the same mental issue or personal feeling's toward the police.

If there were even the slightest chance this man's mental state may or may not send him over the edge by being confronted by police while sober. Then being confronted while in the first stage of getting high any chance of not going over the edge went up in smoke for this poor, probably, skitso man. While no one can be certain I would guess this man had no intention of running wildly through the street's of NY brandishing a knife before the cop's confronted him.

The fact he was smokeing pot has no more or any less bareing on his mental reaction as the cop's did. Left alone to enjoy his high he would have been fine. Should we ban both the cop's and the weed for one man's emotional over reaction to them? No cop's, huh far out man, wait what no weed either man, now that's a bummer, a real bummer man.