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Subscribe to RSSA Tucson mother is in jail, accused of shooting and killing her own two children. KVOA-TV's Erika Flores reports.
A Tucson, Ariz., woman fatally shot her two young children and then shot herself, police said Sunday.
Perla Morales, 25, survived the shooting. She was arrested and booked into the Pima County Jail on two counts of first-degree murder after her release from the hospital.
Tucson Police Department
Perla Morales, 25, was arrested in the shooting deaths of her two young children.
The children were identified as Richard Rosovich Jr., 17 months, and Emma Rosovich, 4.
Tucson police responded to a 911 call about a shooting at a residence in south Tucson just after 7 p.m. on Saturday.
The baby was pronounced dead at the scene. The 4-year-old girl and the mother were taken to a hospital, where the girl later died, Sgt. Maria Hawke said in a press release.
“Initial indications were that the mother of the children was home alone with them when the incident occurred,” Hawke said. “While in the residence with both kids, she retrieved a handgun and shot both of her children. The injuries that she sustained appeared to be self-inflicted, but were not life-threatening.”
Detectives said they were withholding the possible motive for the shooting “for investigative reasons.”
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wonderful people - wonder if she was christian
Why would you even make an idiotic comment like that??
Considering the atheist-communist Mao killed millions of Chinese, what's your point bruno?
Please do not feed the trolls, Scott. :)
Psychotic killers often claim God commanded them. Imagine no religion.
I wonder how many of those calling for her head claim to be Christians. My guess is well over half. WWJD?
Honestly your a dumb ass. Even if you are trying to be sarcastic or not. It doesn't matter what her religion was if she even had one.
Looks like she made the border crossing recently. Seal the borders.........
Ah yes, here we go with a WWJD mindless diatribe. Imagine a world with no atheist liberal hysterics. Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao Tse Tung were all atheists but responsible for over 50 million deaths among them. So NO religion kills too. Or did you liberal atheists never learn that in your school of mindless indoctrination?
I agree that religion IS a problem. But religion is NOT the same as Christianity. Religion is a church or belief with rules and regulations where most, if not all, are not Biblical. True Christianity is having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. And in the name of Jesus Christ there have been many GOOD things happen ... people fed around the world, orphanages built around the world, schools built, people freed from the darkness of their religion, slavery has ended in many places, the killing of widows when the husband dies in India has been outlawed, child prostitution/slavery is trying to be ended around the world, pornography is being battled, etc. Religion causes division and wars. Christianity works to end as many bad things in the world as possible. Do not confuse Christianity with religion. It is NOT the same! Many people will throw the Crusades in my face. The Crusades were NOT Christian. They were done by a religion who sought to dominate and gain land and they did not do it in the true name of Jesus. Study your history before you come back at me with your comments.
It doesn't matter who she worships, killing your own kids is tragedy in any religion. Isn't it great bruno that you live in a country where you can open your mouth and spew hatred and not be buried to you chest and then get a bunch of rock dents in your head. Try that in a muslim country and criticize their culture and beliefs and see where that gets ya.
Why don't we hear about in nigeria where muslims just burn to death in a ministers house where they had saught refuge almost 60 people. Men woman and children were burned alive because they are christians.
Free speech is a right but you sir are an idiot, and I can say that with confidence!
Who knows what, if any, religion she claimed. I don't think God or religion had anything to do with this. Just another POS. Christianity isn't in ones words, it's in ones actions. She can call herself whatever she wants but actions speak louder than words.
Fine. Imagine no God.
Excellent post Samantha!! I am not even going to get angry at the idiots...uh...misguided people on here who always heve to slam and criticize Christians for everything.
Samantha <><><> You had me until you started your diatribe on the Crusades. The Crusades were started by the Muslims, Christians were the ones trying to get their land back. Not that the Christians were squeeky clean in their dealing with the Muslims, but the Muslims themselves dealt out as much---or more---than they got and, like I said, before. THEY STARTED IT, BUT YOU GAVE THEM A FREE PASS.
Some of us would like to comment on the subject at hand. You want to make this about God. You should get to know him. Just imagine how much nicer you would be if you were a true child of God!!
Anyone that does this is sick in the head! Anyone that claims God told them to do this is sick in the head. Have you ever heard of the devil. It is about time he gets the credit he is due!!! Atheist that have the devil in them kill!
Nowhere in this article does it even say "God told her to do it." As a matter of fact, it doesn't say anything about religion at all. Why must people bring religion and politics into everything. Maybe she was just a total nut job and NOTHING prompted her to do this. Or maybe she's one of those apocalypse fanatics who believe the world is going to end in December and figured she'd save herself and her kids from suffering. No one at this point knows what caused her to do it, but again, the article said nothing about religion, or politics.
A mother kills her children and tries to kill herself and the first thing discussed is her faith? The poster that attacked Christianity likely did so because they were trying to get a rise out of the readers and it worked. it doesn't take long for any discussion to get derailed with comments that have nothing to do with the story. The funny thing about the comment made by t bruno is that the Anti-Muslim crowd chimed right in like the only two faiths are Christianity and Islam. While neither have anything to do with the tragedy, it does clearly show how easy it is to distract you. Two children were killed and that's the last thing on your minds as you'd rather rant about anything but the actual story.
Troll king : blaming Twinkies , video games , religion or anything else is the easiest way for people to wash their hands of a self perpetuating sick society. $$
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And YOU'RE not?
Is it just me, or is that mug shot familiar?? Seems like I've seen this woman on an online article before.
religion, was created by man to make him fell closer to god...... life really revolves around what you do, and not what you believe . religion can be a good thing as long as it is use for good, all too often like all of mans ideas it is used for evil. control and to gain power.
What is happening to motherhood? There are just too many mothers anymore abusing and killing their own children! Why is that? Is it the hard economic times or some fundamental change in our society? I don't know, but it upsets me. I'm just glad my mother was not like that or I wouldn't be here now.
Its gettin pretty bad when our women are doing it too.

bioparahti
The half to which bioparahti belongs will most likely be calling for her release.
hope@change, your post is a pathetic crock of @!$%#.
Sichuan...not all of Hopes post was a crock...more people have died in the name of one god or another for all of history and the Christians were the worse.
probably bi-polar...
Mickey, it would be the fathers too but the fathers leave. Women who do this should be destroyed however, if the father left, she was all the kids had left. THAT's what mothers need to think of in that situation. She should have given the kids to foster care rather than do what she did, if she did it for revenge, she took revenge on herself too, her life will now not be worth living, she should have had better aim when attempting to commit suicide.
"I agree that religion IS a problem. But religion is NOT the same as Christianity. Religion is a church or belief with rules and regulations where most, if not all, are not Biblical. True Christianity is having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. And in the name of Jesus Christ there have been many GOOD things happen ... people fed around the world, orphanages built around the world, schools built, people freed from the darkness of their religion, slavery has ended in many places, the killing of widows when the husband dies in India has been outlawed, child prostitution/slavery is trying to be ended around the world, pornography is being battled, etc. Religion causes division and wars. Christianity works to end as many bad things in the world as possible. Do not confuse Christianity with religion. It is NOT the same! Many people will throw the Crusades in my face. The Crusades were NOT Christian. They were done by a religion who sought to dominate and gain land and they did not do it in the true name of Jesus. Study your history before you come back at me with your comments."
While I agree with the principals of Christianity in its pure form, where it is helping people in need and following the words of Jesus, etc... It became not only a religion, but a vicious cult over the centuries, being used to rule over the people with Old Testament laws they are supposed to dismiss and new laws written by men who thinks they can communicate directly with God. There are many good Christians with solid principals of love and forgiveness of whom makes the the majority world wide, but they are constanty hounded and influenced by powerful evangelical organizations with promises that cannot be kept, scaring people with prophesies that will never happen, soliciting every dime that will not be taxed or go to anyone who actually needs it. It has evolved into a religion at best and branched into cults that spreads and exploits fear, hatred and apathy for those who are not like them and it's only throughout the last 100 years that other countries have become democracies because they adopted laws simular to the United States that keeps Chruch and State seperate.
Those who claims the Crusades had nothing to do with Christianity are most likely the types to claim that homosexuals are responsible for all the man-on-boy sexual assults or molestations, even so most rapists, paederasts and pedophiles are uninterested in or incapable of meaningful and mutual relationships with other adults. See the hypocrisy?
Before you mention Communist nations and their lack of democracy; in each of their attempts to create a great nation with no religious influence or control, they became a religion in of itself where people were forced to worship their government and their leaders as gods. They essentially created a militant theocracy with no gods. So, is there really a difference between Christian era Rome, Europe during the Crusades or Inquisition, Soviet controlled Russia and Eastern Europe and the Middle East with multible Muslim factions fighting for complete control? Will the US be any better if Christianity became the ruling faction of the American government? Anyone with the ability to reason knows the answer to that.
Her appearance looks like an alien hybrid.
she really looks like she might be from another mexican planet? NASA needs to start explaining.
I do not understand how so many have read so much into the words Bruno wrote. He could have meant at least a dozen different things, none of which should have caused the strange reactions on this post.
Really? Two innocents are killed and all you can talk about is religion and her appearance? If this is representative of the human race, I think it's time to give up any hope for mankind.
She's atheist
Matilda, do some reading. The Crusades were a land grab by the church, specifically to get the Holy Land/Jerusalem. There were also crusades against fellow Christians - read about the Albigensian crusade. As for anyone trying to get back their land, are you saying that it's okay if the native Americans went after the US to get their land back? They'd be justified, according to you opinion.
Want to save on healthcare? Quit saving these sick SOB's! If she shot her kids, then herself, let her DIE! But we must save her, so we can give her the death penalty and euthanize her humanly. What a stupid concept, let her die or better yet, if she did a poor job and might live, do something to help her along.
It is like those Christian nutbags who are against abortion, but believe in the death penalty. How do you quantify believing that only one group of people should die, if not everyone?
Kathy-YOU do some reading. The Crusades were in response to the Muslim attacks. Nice try at rewriting history. The very essence of muslims was and is hate, violence, and world domination. The muslims are STILL attacking worldwide. The muslims are STILL trying to conquer Jerusalem. Nothing has changed with the muslims.
I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the article, but since we're pretending religion has something to do with this story...
"With or without religion, good people can behave well, and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil- that takes religion". Steven Weinberg.
@Mickey Yes, there has been a fundamental change in society. It started when children started being treated as commodities rather than human beings. We live in a society where children are treated as conveniences or inconveniences depending on the person. One of these fundamental change was when they decided to try to change the definition of child to exclude some (clumps of cells) out of convenience for a political agenda. Then people started pushing to allow in-vitro, test tube fertilization, sperm donorship and surrogacy for women (married or not), making children commodities to be bought and sold. Children are used as weapons in court to use against former spouses or lovers. They are used as tickets to stay on welfare. In school they are brainwashed and used as pawns for various political agendas. And recently they have been used as pawns to further the LGBT agenda. We live in a society that claims to care about it's children when really we only care about the children when it's convenient and trendy, and then throw them under the bus when it's not.
Was she an illegal immigrant ???
Many people kill in the name of God. Many people also kill because they don't believe in God or the afterlife, so what's the harm right?
And some people kill because they don't give a f*#@ either way. I am sure plenty of gang members believe in God, but they're simply not worried about the status of their souls until their day of judgement comes.
So believing one side has more murderers than the other is simply naive and pointless. People kill because they want to kill and they will twist whatever they can to make themselves justified and sympathetic. That is the bottom line.
It's stupid to assume anything about this woman at this point with little to no indication about her. Speculate all you want on the "whys" but realize your guess is just as good as the next guy's!
What a world we live in! Since she didn't finish the job, shoot her while she's trying to escape. Quick, easy, and it saves the taxpayers money.
I think they should bring back public hanging and firing squad executions for pay. I'd pay good money to the state government to see a piece of garbage child murderer like this get what she deserves: a long rope, a short drop, and a sudden stop. The state governments would rake in the money.
I don't get why some shoot their children, or spouse, or others, then themselves. Heck if you don't want to live, just take your own life! Leave the inocent alone!
What is her immigration status? Ship her back to Mexico if she is illegal and let them pay for the trial and prison stay.........
She doesn't look Mexican to me. She looks more Filipino. But at any rate, if she is illegal, they need to send her a$$ back to where she came from.
and we are shocked when we hear about an honor killing in another country? Anyone notice how many bat@!$%# crazy nutjobs are in our own country? This whole "kill the kids and shoot myself" thing is becoming almost a trend.. psychiatric examinations for everyone!
Why are you even discussing her citizenship?
they should "grow a set" and save the taxpayers money for once , but the "badgers", and the "criminal protectors get paid $$$$$ not to do so...that and they are simply cowards...
Seven , are you that clueless. The surname Morales is Spanish or Portuguese.
Where can we send James Holmes back to? You seem to think he's more worthy of staying?
Some people are just giving up the way the United States is going now No decicent person to be in the white House and the policaticans in office don't care for the people they only care for themselves and the office they serve in .. We the Voter elected these people so we are partly to blame of the freedoms we are losing to them... Think before you Vote in November!!!!!
Sigh. There is a reason she did this, one you probably don't even care to understand. I doubt she killed her kids for the fun of it. Many women, especially single mothers, kill their kids & then themselves because they don't want to leave their children alone in a world they view as cruel. Some people's minds just play out after being in distress for an extended period. I doubt someone cheerful and optimistic would do this. In any case, it's a tragedy.
There are many, many people who suffer from mental illness but have no access to care. Nothing. If you can't get health care, you know mental health care is out of the question.
10tacle-Clearly this woman is not thinking normally when she shot her children.As others who have killed their children and shot themselves in the past have shown. A mother who spent four years raising her older child has invested much into that relationship and would have given up that child much sooner if she really didn't care. Many cases have shown parents didn't want their children to suffer in life if they killed themselves and believed their children were going to heaven, or that they were protecting them from an abusive spouse.Of course their thinking is clouded and conflicted while we would try to talk them out of harming the children, whom they could not bear to be separated from. I have worked with children who have had one parent killed by another, were abused by parents, and spouses abused.It's an emotionally complicated area and tragically too commonly seen one also.
The anger from the community is easy to understand, often calling for the parent to be tortured and suffer death immediately.Because this type of act is so utterly avoidable if parents reach out and people feel helpless. Desperation has always caused people to do terrible things. Whether it is the husband who kills his wife and children, mothers who take the lives of their children,kids showing up at schools, workers who show up to employment killing coworkers, or strangers appearing in public places and shooting.The human mind is capable of doing remarkable achievments like going to space, but it is the inner space of the mind which we all must come to terms with.I am afraid to pass judgment on anyone because if I start deciding the value of others lives based on how I feel, I could be wrong. Just as this mother was terribly wrong.All I can do is mourn the terrible loss and pray she gets help.
I say just hang the bitch
@ Seven2Seven,
I believe Mexico has a 20 year max for murder or some other ridiculous sentence.
Amen.........please take away those sharpies
You can't hang or mistreat a person who is endeared by the man in the White House..a beleaguered latino undocumented minority with no citizenship. The Mexican consulate will have to deal with this poor woman who likely had her children as part of the "Dream Act" misfortunates.
They should have let her bled to death out in the middle pf the dessert.
Why save this bytch, and then bill the taxpayers for a trial were we all already know she is guilty of her crime.
Then we will continued to be billed to stuff her sorry azz in some prison cell for life.
We truly need to bring back public hangings imo, and flogging would be so bad either for all these heathens (gang members, dui, rapists, molesters)of the world.
Hey folks she may be native! Pima county is not only the poorest county in AZ but it also has the highest penetration of Indians, tribal, native Americans ( take your pick of the current pc standards ). There is no excuse for waht she did, none. I am sure she will find a way to blame her ex ( or current mate/spouse ), the government, or lack of employment. Race is never be a reason. For those of you wanting to know her immigration status, that too should be NO EXCUSE!
gmonet:: WTF is your reason for putting the blame on YOUR president, President Obama? And guess what? Anchor babies have been the law for years. Do you know if she is a latino undocumented minority with no citizenship?
R Scalzo, you must be kidding or I'll say impaired. Morales, hmmmm, in Mexico I think that would only be 2nd to Gonzalez. Another big clue, Arizona borders Mexico. Braindead.........
Will you People stop talking about politics. No one gives a @!$%# about anyone so stop thinking you can elect anyone who will........
Confussed,
"I believe Mexico has a 20 year max for murder or some other ridiculous sentence."
Actually, the maximum sentence in Mexico for murder is 60 years and 70 years if it involves kidnapping. But there is growing support now in Mexico for the death penalty because of the violence associated with the drug cartels.
frances,
"Hey folks she may be native! Pima county is not only the poorest county in AZ but it also has the highest penetration of Indians"
Yes, we do have a lot of Indians in Pima County. It's named after the Pima tribe of Indians. But how can you speak of a "penetration" of Indians when they were here first? I think it is the white Europeans who did the penetrating, and we also have a large penetration of whites here!
The bit*h never intended to kill herself or she would have. She needs to be helped on that.
@wind and keen, she appeared to be thinking clearly enough to not really kill herself, just make it look like she intended to after killing babies. Killing her babies obviously proves she knows how to kill, she is only stupid in killing when it comes to herself.
Just trying to get my head around what is any different with her destructive actions and those proposed by posters here. Let's deal with something like this with tones of Hate and Vicious Torture, because that's going to help a lot......Don't you get that the resonance is the same? No wonder this stuff continues to go on. Her children are the lucky ones at this point.
Amazing to me how everything is Obamas fault. If this person was Muslim then the posts would be different but STILL blame him. How about we all take the blame for being sheep and not cleaning out Congress.
she looks mentally ill in the photo and acts it in the article...just say'n...
That picture makes her look not even real. looks like a computer generated fugly face. Hope she is better looking in person or she will never find a pretty bunk mate in prison.........
Gee, is that also why fathers kills their kids and then themselves? No loving parent murders their children. If the world's so cruel, kids are perfectly capable of killing themselves. They do it every year. She was just afraid they would like their new parents much better than they liked her.
While I feel sorry for the kids, I'm a little torn because, if they were illegal, my country would have given them more privileges and opportunities than it gives me. Actually, that's true even if they were legal.
She looks like a Ferengee from Star Trek and should be put in a giant vaporizer.......
i found her facebook, seems she was having trouble finding a job. cute loving kids.
AreYouBuyingThis -
Maybe gmonet and his group are blaming Obama for everything because it wasn't too long ago that the other group (yours maybe?) was blaming Bush for everything! The shoe is on the other foot - how does it feel?
So, scrolling through the diotripe, I am guess all those talking about her possible citizenship failed to notice the last name of the children? Probably got her citizenship virtue of marriage, and the children, given the father was probably legally born here, would have been given Naturalistic status.
The real fact is, this is happening a lot. Not just mothers, but fathers as well... acts of desperation and hopelessness. Add in the schoolings at schools and there is a growing problem. More laws and more government is not working.
They are busting the b@lls of the honest parents, while more like these are slipping through... it comes down to education. They keep teaching more and more towards building self esteem and less about communal responsibility. So people are acting more for selfish interpretations and less of the morally correct.
Politics and religion have absolutely nothing to do with this article. This woman was in a bad place and felt there was no way out. There are lots of women in this position... with so many sorry fathers just walking away and not living up to their obligations, women feel completely alone and unable to handle the stress of supporting a family. According to one poster, she was out of a job. Fortunately most of us figure out a way to deal with this stress in a positive way but apparently some cannot. Don't get me wrong... I have no pity for this woman but life's reality is difficult to bear sometimes and some people have coping skills while others do not.
Once upon a time many years ago, I was a single mom with 3 young children. I lived my life in constant fear of not being able to provide for my childen as I was getting NO child support from the sorry good-for-nothing MILITARY father. It cost me a good chunk of my salary just to pay for day care so I could work. If I had not had strong family support and had not been fortunate enough to have a fairly decent job, I don't know what I would have done. Life throws you curve balls sometimes and strong coping skills are necessary to survive. Of course, it NEVER crossed my mind to OFF my children... but it DID cross my mind to off myself on occasion. But I struggled for years and things got better and I got stronger as a result of the difficult times. Hopelessness causes women to do what this woman did. And with the state of this economy and the weakening of the family unit, there is probably a lot of hopelessness out there. It is scary really.
My guess is that many posters on this blog would have cast stones at this woman if she had been receiving child care assistance or food stamps or any other government assistance. Maybe she wasn't and this was, in her mind, the only way out. A little compassion for those folks who are struggling is in order.
Tragic story. I have to say that as is often the case, the perpetrator looks like she was cast in hollywood.
What a creepy looking woman.
Why is it that so many who kill their innocent children then turn the gun on themselves, never succeed at the job? It's a cowardly act. They have the "courage" to kill their child but not themselves. I hope she gets life in prison without chance for parole. That'll never happen, though, as she'll most likely plead insanity. Then again, if she's an illegal alien she need only tell the authorities she went to high school here or got her GED. She'd then get her free pass.
hang her... crazy bit@$
We see people going off daily. Its a signal that something is terribly wrong with healthcare and or people's willingness to seek it. Access needs to become better. Way better. I think alot of times these people don't even realize they are so far gone that they think they are behaving rationally. Friends, family neighbors be aware of signals that things are going wrong. Be willing to step in and talk (or try). The one who goes off usually won't do anything to get help it seems.
I don't get it. Why are the police not releasing the motive due to "investigative reasons".. God, I'm so sick of the public being kept in the dark when they have no right to be. What in the world difference does it make for everyone to know the motive?
some loser will say that she was insane at the time, just like they say that the idiots that leave their children in hot cars " because they forgot the child, it was an accident " hmmm they don't forget them in the winter time. anyway, back to the subject if this homegirl really wanted to kill herself she would have fatally shot herself. like darlie routier that claimed intruder fatally stabbed her children but spared her life, someone that could identify the imaginary intruder, I see a pattern here with these mothers(@!$%#ers)
wow, some of these comments are so unbelievable. the woman obviously has mental problems, no one in there right mind would kill their own children out of hatred. after reading the comments i seriously think that there are many people on this forum with similar mental problems, and to think that you guys are just walking around freely spreading your ignorance and stupidity everywhere. you know who you are, your just very much in denial to admit it. you are no different than her if your saying that she should be killed or hung and you want to watch. really? don't make yourselves look so immature and dingy by saying that, its embarrassing. if you read this story and your first thought is politics or her citizenship, something is very wrong with you. this is America, the melting pot, you can not assume someone is not a citizen simply by their last name. anyone with half a brain knows that. what the freak does Obama or any politician have to do with this story? why does your kind ( mental obsession with politics and government) have to leave a comment about politics no matter what the story is about? it could be about a puppy and you guys would find something political about it. give it up already. then there is the ones who have a mental obsession with illegal immigrants and have lost the ability to differentiate between american citizens and illegal aliens. stop tripping, not everyone is illegal, a mob of mexicans is NOT going to get you, so relax. if you left a comment here that did not mention the topics i spoke about than you are the normal, sane folks. thanks for opinion because its very unnerving seeing all the ignorant comments and we need to know that there are still sane people out there. as far as her last name, it could very well be filipino, many of them have spanish last names, not that it should matter. i think your forgetting who are the real illegal immigrants here. that woman may very well be more american indian than anything else as there are several different types of indians in Arizona. if thats the case, she has more of a right to be here than all of you who think its your job to judge citizenship. think about where your ancestors are from and see if you think you should be here anymore than anyone else.
You're right Sandra, the defense will file temporary insanity as this is an open and shut case.. what else can they do in order to at least prevent the death penalty (that's how screwy our judicial system is).. As far as her motive goes, it's simple..She wanted to kill herself but couldn't do it unless she first committed a crime so heinous that it would cause her to over ride her cowardice because now she would absolutely know her life would be destroyed (just like that coward did to his two children before setting his house on fire).. Too bad this woman missed, now for the farce of trying to save this unworthy wretch. In my opinion, this was a blatant attempt at suicide and far from an act induced by insanity.. it was a total act of selfishness.
I will never understand why so many people out there think that the solution to violence.... is MORE violence ! If you were to kill her, or torture her, who would that benefit ? Besides all you death loving cowards ?
Politics and Religion, Faith, and all the other excuses given by our "under-educated" peers, ... Have absolutely nothing to do with 2 children, (babies) being murdered by their own mother.
It is not my choice/preference, nor any of you to judge what punishment should be handed down. There are people who specialize in the judicial process.
Unless you are a sitting judge or a criminal lawyer, or you have certified schooling resulting in a degree in such field, who the fck are you people to speak so "matter-of-fact" about motives or reason
Now I am going to call out some of the comments made prior to my comment, that caught my attention for one reason or another:
It is sad that there are people out there that think they can gain understanding from the way someone looks or by their physical characteristics, *sigh* Judging folks based on their appearance, is a form of prejudice... and prejudice is simply a by-product of racism. Racists are some of the most ignorant people on this planet, enough said.
How about she just has a seat in the "chair of many feelings" and we flip the switch. I would gladly be the switch hitter, no issues there. What about an injection, I will pay for the needle! This woman does not need to eat up any taxpayers money with jail or a trial. Fry her and send her on her way!
Always right
when?
NC open heart
Off you meds this morning?
Not partly to blame; totally to blame. We, the people, are the government. We, the people, have allowed everything that has happened leading up to now. I agree that we all have to think before we vote in November for the man we have in office is the best we have had in a long time. He knows what we, the people need and want and is going for it. He had to ram the healthcare bill through in his first two years because he saw that his predecessors, who all wanted to reform our healthcare system, couldn't accomplish the task. Ramming it through and then working out the details was smart for he set the platform for reform. He is also an expert negotiator. Go to the table with an unreadable face, ask for more than is wanted and for something not attainable. When your want is met, fold and walk away.
There is something to be said for abortion and this is one of them. Statistically, more children die at the hand of a parent, relative or caregiver before they reach school age. Many of these deaths could have been avoided if abortion was not so stigmatized. The fetus is not alive until the breath of air passes through the nostrils. Once the child is born, it feels all the pain of poverty, neglect, abuse, and even death.
Really? At one time in our history it was believed that mothers could not murder their children. So SIDS just happened and there was never an investigation. We now know that many of those deaths were caused by the mother smothering the infant. Now all SIDS deaths are investigated and autopsied. Parents, relatives, family friends, and caregivers do murder children.
The police have every right to keep the public in dark while there is an on going investigation. We should be grateful for that. Were any of us there at the time these shooting happened? No! We do not have enough information to make an informed opinion ane the police may have another suspect or two and are not releasing important information so that they can catch a murderer and attempted murderer. We don't know and probably won't until the case is solved - which it may never be or it really is the mother.
sick!
10tacle, Long rope and a short drop means the convict hits the ground. A short rope and a long drop means they hang. Genius.
while I think this woman should be punished why is it that she has 603 and the woman with the Jane Doe warrant for child porn only has 123 comments? Why is this woman automatically considered guilty (I think she is) but the Jane Doe woman did it because an evil man made her do it? I love how some women are guilty and others aren't.
I agree. She looks more Asian than Hispanic, but book and its cover and judging I suppose. That's not even the point here.
First off, why are people jumping on the possibility that she's an illegal immigrant? Granted by statistics there's a fair probability of that, but near as I can tell it isn't stated anywhere in this article or in any investigation reports thus far. People are too quick to jump on that bandwagon.
Second, and this is mostly addressed @AlwaysRight-2026628, no one here does have the power to condemn this woman except in the court of public opinion. Remember that is how Zimmerman got his. While having no official legal bearing, it puts a certain political pressure on those who will have the official and final decision.
Third, except for the political pressure as mentioned above, politics, gun-control, religion, race, etc. has absolutely NOTHING to do with this shooting. It was a mother who shot her kids and then herself by all indications. I'd wager bets on some kind of drug-induced passion much like Chris Benoit so many years ago, but that's an opinion.
I don't give a flip want nationality this monster is. She killed her kids and then the only worthwhile thing she tried to do, she failed at. 17months and 4?!?! What kind of sick F*** does that??? The solution is so very simple, shoot this scum and finish what she started. Should've just left her there to rot, no point in saving her and carrying on with an expensive trial. She is another failed (sub)human specimen that needs removed from this planet. Time to take out the trash folks. This is so sad. Like others posted above, why kill the kids too? Drop them off at a church or hospital or something at least, then go be a coward somewhere else and off yourself. Again, screw the PC crap, put a bullet in her right this time and finish this. No room for a POS like this.
It is time
Whatever happened to "Innocent until proven Guilty?"
What first popped into thought here was "To the pain" (from Princess Bride). Appropriate. Google it to find a clip on YouTube.
Give her a gun with one bullet so she can finish the job on herself. POS!!
Scary that these people aren't sterilized at birth.
Scary that you would think we know how to differentiate who should be sterilized at birth.
We just had a very well-off white Catholic woman do the same thing to her kids and herself in St. Louis. Guess it's OK when it's one of our own, huh chicago's?
denver bill 2, #5.1- EXCELLENT!!! DUMBFOUNDED! GAVE YOU A VOTE!
Where did the article state she was an illegial? Can you be ignorrent enough to think everyone with a Hispanic last name is here illegially?
" ignorrent"
You can't make this stuff up... Pretty ignorant.
Anyone know what " illegially" means?
Jetjoky, you want to know what's really ignorant? People who totally miss the point someone is trying to make and only sees the mispelling. Proper spelling is important to me to, but comment on what they're saying too instead of just acting like your proofreading your students papers, because your not.
"important to me too", I forgot the 2nd O.
You misspelled/misused "your" as well. It's "you're." A conjugation of " you are."
If a person spells like a 5th grade dropout for whom English is a second language that person doesn't have a point.
That is a classic example of the Argumentum ad Hominem fallacy. Someone's character, circumstances or actions (including bad spelling and grammar) are not necessarily evidence that they don't have a point to make. But suppose it were ......
..... would that mean that someone who doesn't know the difference between a conjugation and a contraction is also not intelligent enough to have a valid point?
I love reading the comments on these stories, lol!! Somehow everything immediately turns racist or political, gotta love our country!! Two children are killed by their mother and people are worried about welfare and illegals.
I'm confused chicago's eringloriaryan, I must of missed the part in the article where it said the mother was an illegal immigrant who was receiving welfare. Hold on let me get my bat sh*t crazy glasses on and re-read it, oh ok there it is, never mind I found it. Goddamn Mexicans, and goddamn Obama trying to take away my guns. Haha, tool. I'm sure you claim to beleive in God right? How do you think God is going to judge you for all the hate you spread? Douche bag
"If a person spells like a 5th grade dropout for whom English is a second language that person doesn't have a point."
That is an ad hominem logical fallacy. Grammatical and spelling errors do not automatically discredit someone. Texts without mistakes only tend to look smart, but it simply says nothing about the actual points being made. Regardless of whether or not he was right or wrong, you should be attacking his arguments, not his character. Good luck with your superficial "intellect."
@jetjoky-6549733 aka smart a hole of the year. Who cares about someones spelling mistakes. Get over yourself!!
Two little kids were killed by their mother that is the subject not you!
I have to agree with jet. I don't get petty on these boards until someone starts talking about ignorant people on these boards using misspelled words and horrible grammar. If you are going to call names, the least you can do is spell the insulting name correctly. sheesh.
kourtney, and your empathy for this woman overwhelms me... ***end sarcasm here*** "Some of us would like to comment on the subject at hand. You want to make this about God. You should get to know him. Just imagine how much nicer you would be if you were a true child of God!!" "@jetjoky-6549733 aka smart a hole of the year"
I suggest you follow your own advice and stick to the "subject" without your nasty lectures to others who are guilty of the same thing you are.
they were its called eugenics and people who were sterilized by amoungst others North Carolina are suing the state because their civil right were violated. Well no kiddin. and some of the big promoters was Leonard Darwin, winston churchill, and alexander graham bell. Although after the nazi's master race, eugenics fell by the wayside. with some exceptions. in russia in a psychiatric nursing home, disabled women can be sterilized by the director, their guardian. China has the notables sperm bank where only professors are allowed to donate sperm. In japan women who are disabled can be sterilized to prevent handicapped children.
Course the US would never do anything like that, but some sperm banks who are supposed to use a donars sperm ten times have been using it 200 times, which leads to the larger possability of half brothers and half sisters marrying without their knowledge that they are related. And then add in the number of people running around having kids with differant partners and you have the possability of again half brothers and sisters marrying which would be a large mistake.
forced sterilization aint funny.
How come this all has come down to prejudice! Stop all that about where she came from. How about what she has done to her children? If you don't want them, bring them to social services and off yourself afterwards!
It doesn't matter if they are sterilized since they are going to end their genetic line anyway.
If you can't spell ignorant, then you are ignorant!
I have to disagree .I have seen ignorant people that can spell .
"It's not the things you don't know that make you ignorant. It's the things you do know that just ain't so." ---Mark Twain
what do expect when we let people who killed their kid off and go free like Cassy Anthony; and others think they can do it too.
@Thomas..
Thank You! Have been trying to tell people about this for a while now.. but for SOME ODD REASON, folks don't WANT to know about the stuff going on in THEIR OWN BACKYARDS! It may have sounded like a good idea 'at the time..' but after the research that America DID FOR Germany(in particular Hitler & his fellow "commandos" or so-called "scientists" or what have you) Germany took those 'clinical tests' (LOL!!! Sorry.. can't see that without laughing! "clinical" "tests" hahahaha! whatever.) & decided that wouldn't work fast enough to weed out the "inferior" of the people.. that's when genocide ensued. They said "screw it.. we'll just kill 'em all & start over. Then we'll only have the smarter, better looking, upper class people left to reproduce." What could POSSIBLY go wrong!!
Yeah. Not their best idea to date. I can only say, I'm glad no one decided I was too stupid to have kids b/c I didn't attend an Ivy league college, or am not a scientist, or doctor, or whatever it is others think it takes to make an 'IDEAL RACE.' I think the "intelligent gene" skips a generation anyway. My kids are all pretty smart yungin's, and in after school stuff. From band (HS), to cheering, to baseball. Science club, Spanish club, advanced math/LA. I was never like that. So, you never really know who might be carrying the child that will find the cure for "_______." ~You can fill in whichever disease here.~
And to think.. most people in this country do not even realize how much America had to do with provoking the Holocaust. Eugenics.. look it up.
If only she reached out for help and spared the children.
Michael Collings--sorry, but she has a Hispanic name, the kids have a NON hispanic name, which means chances are good they are illegitimate. I'll lay ODDS that her motive on killing them was to HURT the baby daddy, in the most painful way.
I don't think she NEEDED help, except for possibly to pay for birth control UNTIL you are married.
I see, so every single mother must have a vendetta against their child's father? I doubt that's why she did this. She probably did it because she is mentally ill. A sane person would not kill their own children just to get back at someone. I am a single mother, and all I want from my child's father is for him to continue to leave us be. Quit assuming every single mother is a woman scorned that is out to punish the child's father.
..."but she has a Hispanic name".
Ok, we can all see that.....but she was perhaps more than likely Asian....probably Filipino because they have "Hispanic" names too. And the last name of the children implies they were EurAsian (Polish or maybe Jewish??) and maybe she wasn't trying to "hurt the baby daddy" but being illegal (possibly) and being in a strange country without child support (and if she was illegal she would be too afraid to go to social services for welfare).....tragedy no doubt and she should be electrocuted. Just wanted to offer a differnt scenario than assuming the "baby daddy" was totally innocent in all of this. Face it, many of these foreigners come here with different cultures and ways of handling things than many choose in the Western world and when the person that brought you here has abandoned you---well, you get it. Again, in either case she needs to fry.
Because there are no women that don't change their name when they get married? I can actually think of several scenarios where the mother would have a different last name than her children and none of them mean that the children are illegitimate (which is a term, BTW, that needs to just go away already, no child is illegitimate, regardless of whether their father bothered to marry their mother or not).
But the fact is, that in today's sexually free society, it is most likely she was not married to the father. How did she think she would end up? I am sick of today's young women having illegitimate children one after another that they have neither the means, the will, nor the intention to take care of. Killing the unwanted children is the exception rather than the rule, thank God, but is happening with greater and greater frequency. Still, most of these self-obsessed sluts just foist the poor children off on relatives or social services. Why can't girls either stop sleeping around or do something to prevent pregnancy? It isn't hard. Why is personal responsibility gone from American society?
I don't know if he is in the picture but I feel very bad for the father and all those who loved these little children
Deenie >>>>>>>>>Maybe!! On the other hand, there is a good chance that the father is the one who drove her to such desparation. If so, that doesn't excuse her, of course, but he is just as---if not more so---guilty as she is.
Matilda: That is one huge cynical assumption. In a lot of these cases, it's the surviving spouse being "punished" by the murderer/suicidal person.
Coop that is another assumption on your part. Don't criticize someone else's assumption and then follow it with yours.
Jaime <-----> I Thank you! However I did not see it as an assumption. I said maybe! And when I said "maybe, what I really meant was "maybe." I belive "my scenario" to be the most feasible, but I didn't (and do not) assume it to be the only possibility.
She looks unstable as most of them do that kill their children just kill
yourself why the children
Maybe she realized they looked like her.
You're right she does look unstable, obviously she didn't have a support system. I'd like to know where any part of her family is because I'm sure she didn't just wake up one day and decided to kill her kids. It's unfortunate that it takes something so horrible as this to bring attention to dysfunction in the family. Dysfunction has no boundaries in regards to race, gender or what status you are in society. The only thing I will never understand including taking a life, is how do they know how to inflict a wound to themselves so they can live. You read how parents shoot, cut and stab themselves, but seem to live afterwards.
I can't comprehend and probably never will be able to...how could a mother ever ever hurt her child.
She could have taken those poor children to any hospital, fire station, police station and given up her guardianship...but chooses to kill them!!
i agree there are so many people that can't have children that would give a child a wonderful life and not care about race religion or size all they would see is a precious little child that needs love and a family to take care of them. such a sad thing that happen to these children. r.i.p. little babies.
sharriannie ... we won't know til the whole story comes out, but usually it has to do with child custody. I didn't read anything about the father. It seems a parent now days would rather kill their children and theirself rather than share custody. So sad. I agree with you though, I will never understand how someone could hurt a child especially their own.
Jeffrey Culbert, #9.2- Speculatively, looking at the "ages of the children" Index, I'd put "Post-partum Depression" on the list of leading indicators, too.
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Actually that law if for newborns. Leaving older children at a government agency is considered agains the law.
She wasn't suffering so much from "post-partum depression" or some other mental illness that she neglected to pluck her eyebrows. Guess she wanted to look good for the mug shot.
So ... on another message board the other day I made the comment of how we did not live in a country where there is freedom of religion because Christians were always being bashed on these mssg board whenever they say anything. I took a lot of flak for that ... thus proving my point that Christians can't say anything without people bashing them. Then, on this mssg board, look at the very first comment. I am now waiting for all the Christian bashers to come out and make disparaging comments about my comment.
Some of us want freedom FROM religion.
Hmm...funny that I see all groups bashed on here. Atheists get bashed, Christians do, blacks, gays, whites, Republicans, Democrats, Muslims, Sikhs, fat people, skinny people....but you focus on Christians getting bashed and say, "Christians can't say anything without people bashing them". So guess you didn't read the comment about atheists after that or all the nasty comments when a black is shot, a white is shot, the Sikhs were shot, and it goes on and on. I think the point here is that kids were murdered, not one idiotic comment by a troll, but did you consider that perhaps people who do not comment about their lack of religion or their religion don't get "bashed" for it? I am NOT saying people shouldn't be able to speak without being attacked by any means, and it's unfortunate that some in many groups feel the need to be nasty and rude, but you aren't being singled out for persecution. If I said, for instance, that I was an atheist or that I got food stamps I would be jumped in a minute from several who think those things are horrible and I wouldn't be worth being alive. Message boards have a few polite, respectful people, some who get provoked and say things they normally wouldn't, some who are just plain full of nastiness, and of course your garden variety trolls and paid trolls for several groups. It's how boards work, and you aren't being singled out.
I could post as one of any group with a post that announces what group I am in and I will most likely get at least one rude comment or be called a name. It's unfortunately the way it works and Christians aren't one pitiful, unfortunate, long-suffering group that everyone picks on to the exclusion of other groups. It sucks that anyone is picked on or that so many feel the need to be nasty, but it is reality on the internet. Perhaps you are seeing the comments that hit close to home for you since you are Christian, but you aren't the only group who is insulted by any means. You could be a 5 year old who died and there will be a spate of nasty comments about your parents, their religion or lack of one, their parenting, and other nonsense even when there are no facts.
Sorry, but I'm not going to give you what you wanted and "bash" you for being Christian. I will just point out that this story is about two kids who are dead and a mother who may be ill or not who killed them and that this isn't about your religion, mine, or anyone else's.
You have it, it's called ignoring religion. If you believe that there is no God, then why do you care what others believe. By the way, I'm Christian and my soon to be wife is Buddhist.
Biopara what ever, one day you will be on your knees begging for forgiveness of your words.
I pity you.
Gary...Politics
Jean...I'm shakin' in my boots
Jean--sorry, but one day YOU may be on your knees begging for forgiveness too--even if only from your OWN chosen God.
I pity ANYONE who feels that being Christian (which I am) gives them the right to judge others on the basis of THEIR faith or lack thereof. One of the main teachings of Jesus was to NOT be judgemental, to leave that to God. He must be horrified with what has been done, supposedly IN HIS NAME, in the last 2+ millenia.
Meanwhile, my basicallly agnostic daughter just married a man who is a full blown athiest (but was raised Catholic). BOTH are honest, moral, kind people, and I don't think Jesus would have any quibbles with that.
And so to bioparahti, I would modify his statement to say "I fear anyone who tries to THRUST their religion on others against their will.
Yeah Jean, I thought you were supposed to try and save me. Thanks a lot.
Bioparahti: I'm with you. Spare me from religion! I have a faith, and I follow Christ. Thus, I am a Christian, a follower of Christ. HOWEVER (emphasis intentional) I refuse to give any credence to these Bible-thumpin' evangalists who say that unless I agree to worship in exactly their chosen way I'll roast in the fires of Hell. As an aside, I do not remember any place in the four Gospels (the only places where Christ is supposedly "quoted") where Christ says anything like "thou shalt worship in the following manner." He does not prescribe any official manner of worship. Therefore, and since He was a Jew - not a Christian, there is no Christ-ordained way to worship, no Christ-ordained form of religion. Thus, how I worship is between me and God, and is no business of anybody else. In that way, I exercise freedom OF religion. AND, I also exercise freedom FROM religion, freedom from anybody else's religion. (Emphases, that is capitalizations, intentional)
MOmaid - I see FAR more atheists judging Christians these days than vise versa. Times have changed. This is no longer an era where the majority are preaching at the other side. Now, athiests have adopted the idea that they can complain about being preached at, but then they can criticize people simply for saying they're praying for someone or for saying "God bless" to someone.
Jean and MOmaid, you may both be on your knees one day begging for forgiveness--from Allah. I'm not a Muslim or a Christian, but just wanted you to know how ridiculous your bickering over who will be on their knees one day sounds to us heathens.
My apologies, MOmaid. I just read your post in its entirety, and it sounds like you have the right attitude toward religion after all. I guess I was a little too hasty to post my own comment which, by the way, still applies to Jean.
Hang in there Sam , let them bash , sticks and stones , in every religion , in every race and in every country evil abounds or just plain old mental illness . These things happen and for you that have wee ones it does seem unimaginable , it is getting harder for this old Granny to even read these kind of things , but ya gotta admit all these idiots comments do supply some comedy relief . One thing, she is scary looking to me , imagine that face the last thing you see .
Samantha, where do you live that you take a lot of flack for being Christian, a dominant world religion? Here on the internet you need not take others comments to heart. There are too many armchair jockeys blathering on just to get attention and stir things up. Most of them would not even voice their "opinions" if we were all in the same room. You have to have thicker skin if you want to debate things in a forum like this. I also am Christian, and feel more pride than shame any day of the week. BUT I firmly believe in respecting everyone's opinions as long as they are not aggressive towards me. No one really knows who is right or wrong on this issue if you think about it...that's where our individual FAITH comes in - no matter what religion (or lack thereof).
Ryan, you are looking in the wrong places then because it is the other way where I am. You don't DARE even mutter the word atheist around here without being preached at. I know this from observation, so I just keep my mouth quiet. My own family doesn't even know I'm atheist, and I'm terrified they will find out. My mother has so much as said she would disown any of her children that are and that is a common attitude in the community here, so don't speak for the general population.
Jean, if the day comes that we are shaking in our boots, trust me, you will be shaking just as much as the next person for your judgement of others. Or do you think you will standing on stage with Him pointing to the ones He needs to pay the most attention to?
Jaime, I mostly look on the articles like this. I read a lot of sensational news stories and read the comments. Whenever I see someone say they're praying for the family of someone killed or God bless the families, a handful of atheists will chime in with "You're an idiot, God doesn't exist" and the ever-cliche "How can you pray to a God who allowed this to happen?"
Arguments on stories like this are generally spurred by two types of people: people who bring politics into the issue and Atheists who start spouting off about "Where's your God now?" and so on.
A lot of people on stories like this are looking to cause drama and debate.
It's kind of hard for pro-religion people to start fight on stories like this without being provoked.
Not so. I've seen pro-religion people start it off too, saying essentially,"these types of crimes are the what happen when people don't fear going to hell, and have no morals because they don't believe in a higher power." Which is BS, of course. Religious people don't have any monopoly on morality any more than non-religious people do.
@GADude, you do realize that "Allah", "God", "Yaweh", "Jehovah", are all the same God, right? Islam, Judaism, Christianity all have the exact same root. All pray to the 'God of Abraham'.
No, they are not all worshiping the same God. Their definitions of God are quite different. The Jews deny that Christ was God. The muslims deny that Christ was God, but was just a messenger with special powers given to Him by God. The God of Abraham is the Triune God-Father, Son,Holy Spirit.
The koran was written by ONE man in a cave while under the influence of drugs. Mohammed doesn't even CLAIM to be alive or with any power. He didn't even know if he himself would make it to heaven.
As to the passage misapplied so many times regarding "judging". You make judgments every minute of your life. You discern every day between good and bad morals, good and bad behavior, etc. etc. What Christ was talking about was judging unfairly, etc.
Here's a pretty good summary of that verse:
http://www.capalert.com/judgenot.htm
And to the atheists: "The fool hath said in his heart "There is no God". Psalm 14 verse 1.
Enough: If that's true then why do so many Christians insist that a person cannot get into heaven unless they accept Jesus Christ as their savior? I'm pretty sure no Muslim or Jew is going to submit to that requirement. I can't say for sure what Muslims' beliefs are on the subject, but I'd be willing to bet that they feel just as strongly that no Christian or Jew will be enjoying their 72 virgins in paradise as long as Allah has anything to say about it.
The same God issued different instructions to different groups of people?
One wonders what gets into peoples heads that they would even think of killing their own children....sad sad sad... the further down this country goes, the more vile things people do...
chicago's eringloriaryan = Troll
Was she an illegal immigrant ???
shoot the bitch!
Are you refering to chicago's eringloriaryan?
Now why the hell couldn't she just have shot herself first? People like this shoot their kids just to cause others pain. Life in prison,even if the taxpayer has to foot the bill at least we will know she has to suffer everyday for what she did. The death penalty would be letting her off to easy.
I bet she was against gun control I tell you that!!
I grew up in that same neighborhood, man it really has changed for the worse. too many gangbangers and violent illegals. Of course, it was 30 years ago when i was there.
insanity defense to the rescue!
Dammit Tucson! Let's have some good news...
Insanity defense to the rescue!
how on earth can a woman carry a child for nine months and endure all that pain giving life to them and then kill them. i just don't understand.
At this point in our society, the death penalty is the only possible solution. The ACLU will claim that is cruel, but I seriously doubt the mother cared about the cruelty she inflicted on her children when she was pulling the trigger. This is becoming more and more common because we as a society have accepted this type of behavior. The children are dead and will never get to eat, sleep, watch tv, laugh, cry, listen to music, drink soda, etc like the mother will on a daily basis.
I don't deny that she should be put away for the rest of her life, but it sounds like a serious case of depression common with women with very young children, starting sometime after the birth of either child. While it's most often temporary, for many women it could last for years, evolving into other, more serious mental health problems and result in impulsive acts such as this. This sadly is not the first case and won't be the last. Why do you assume this is acceptable by anyone? No one in society are accepting this behavior.
Old MacDonald had a piece ( .40 caliber high velocity semi-automatic with a 13 round clip) eeh-yi-eeh-yi-yo.
And with his piece he shot his ducks, chickens, cows, horses, wife, kids, dog (the cat escaped as it was sleeping in the window in the sun). If only they were armed they could have defended themselves and killed Old MacDonald.
Americans seem to be one of the most violent people on the face of the planet, so much for "the land of the free and home of the brave". When will you people wake up as a nation and try to do something about the access to firearms for the mentally unstable or angry people? This happens far too often, but I think the NRA likes to read about these events as it means more guns will be bought in order to keep people 'safe'.
Collective 2nd Amendment Madness.
You know i heard they are trying to revoke the 2nd amendment and that nato troops supposedly was going to be the ones trying to collect the guns....only thing I have to say about that and people against guns is...I would hate to be the gun collector that comes to my door!
semper fi!
Derrick...don't believe 97% of the anti-Obama stuff people send you as emails. He has not funded a lavish prison in Chicago, he did not give Jane Fonda the Congressional Medal of Honor, he did not build a secert Al-Quida training base in Vermont, he has not asked for Nato troops, he did not prevent US military people from speaking at churches in uniform.
Hey swamprat, you don't have the correct list...figures..
It far exceeds yours...
Mr. Guns dunits,
There is a sister story right next door of a woman who stabbed her fiance to death, and spoiler alert: it wasn't with the barrel of a gun.
I quote Archie Bunker, "Wougdas be happy if de waz pushed outa windas?"
derrick-4077781 I'm with you on that one!
Swamprat, why do you assume Americans are the most violent people and how myopic can you be? We have an insane amount of coverage that shows the violence you speak of because of our freedoms. Don't think for one SECOND that we are the most violent though, just because you don't have access to the information. There are many countries that are overall more violent than us. We just don't hear about it. If only you could see the Chinese or North Korean violence as readily as you can ours here. I won't even go into the republics of many 3rd world countries and the atrocities committed by the powerful few.
Make no mistake; America IS violent but I don't believe we hold a candle to the other 2 countries I previously mentioned. Until they free up their own media, we will never know the extent of their violence though.
Nasty--sorry, but just today a woman STABBED her husband to death. (or fiance, the article was inexact)
Andrea Yates DROWNED her 5 kids in TX. Susan Smith DROWNED hers by driving them into a lake strapped into a car seat.
Guns, to quote an old saw, do NOT kill people. PEOPLE kill people.
LOL you must live a shelter life if you do not know how well the Muslims treat the people they live with.
Randoo, you are too quick to lump people as a whole. You call the Chinese a violent people.
I live in China. The Chinese as a whole are not violent. There is less murder, assault, etc. in this country than in the U.S. You may have issues with the government but that isn't the people as a whole.
The U.S. populace is, in general, quite a lot more violent. I can't speak to the North Korean people.
derrick:: I heard that the world is coming to an end very soon. I believe that story just like I believe your story.
yeah, them nasty old guns are the problem...... just walken around killen people... all it took was a box cutter to take down the twin towers, should we outlaw them too?
Want to stop gun crimes??? Make it an automatice death penalty if a gun is used in any crime..... but you libs would think this is too harsh, so you keep letting them go free to do it again and again and again.... catch a gangbanger with a gun, shoot him dead on the spot.... one less welfare rat, and one less gun out killing people.... get tough, and we wont need any gun laws, save money on keeping them in prison. The people that are in prison, make them work their asses off cleaning streets, growing their own food, and anything else that needs to be done in this country.... if you want to stop certain people from crime, and just mention work, and they will change their ways right then and there.
Actually, box cutters are considered concealed weapons, and have been since I worked in a supermarket back in '84. I agree with your idea to make prison less welcoming in general. If you are forced to live in a tent, and spend 12 to 14 hours a day breaking rocks, one would be seriously deterred from criminal activity. A criminal justice major friend of mine pointed out that it is cheaper to put a criminal in jail for life than to execute them. That being said, it is a violation of SEVERAL POINTS mentioned in the Bill of Rights to summarily execute suspected "gangbangers" without due process of trial by jury....right to cross examine...warrant duly sworn before a magistrate...those other amendments included in the document used to support the right to bear arms.
I don't understand why anyone could kill or harm their kids at all. There should mental test given at the hospital after they give birth and had time to heal. If she didn't want kids then didn't the dumb bitch ever hear of adoption. I hope that those kids rip in heaven and she has a slow torturous death before she goes to hell. I'm not a very religious person, but just because I don't go to church doesn't mean that I don't believe in God or heaven and hell. I guess I should be use to this stuff now after serving in Iraq and Afghan with the things I've had to witness and do there, but something about parents killing their kids still pisses me off. We all know how its going to end though. She was mentally ill or had a nervous breakdown or some bull@!$%#. Just shoot the bitch since she failed to do it herself. Remember for those that cut their wrist....its down the street not across it!
Scott's the troll mojojo!! Damn....she needs a fist down her throat....this species of 'human' needs to be wiped out immediately....low life breeding....she's no earthly good!!
Kill yourself NOT THE CHILDREN!
Barry 977609 I definately agree with you on that ! I do believe that the female should have done something to herself and not have taken the lives of the children, but I have seen this behavior before. I do not know any of the information other than what was in this article, but it seems to fit a pattern that happens quite a bit more often than realized, but just not usually to this extreme. Something quite simular even happened to my sister's family. In some instances, a woman will intentionally get pregnant to keep a man involved in their life, and the man does, only for the kids. But it usually does not last, and the man does not stay involved with the mother, but does with the kids, but the mother does whatever she can to use the kids as pawns to get that man back. Most of the time this causes a very hard case of constant friction between all of the adults, and an extreme amount of stress and anxistiety for the children. There are some very tragic results from some of these situations however, and it is the children that pay the ultimate price. When the female can no longer control the man that they are so desperate for the attentiom from the man, the kill the children, but only injure themself. That is how they keep emotional control and keep the father hostage forever. A situation rather simular happened to my brother in law, but thank God, the child's mother is the one that lost her life and not the
People,we have to elect someone or someones who will secure the borders..If they want to come here,come legally and live by our laws..I don't know whether this young woman was an illegal or not,but we have a terrible crime situation in this country!! Why didn't this woman give these kids to someone or an agency that would have found a home for them?? How can you kill anyone,let alone your children!!! if you do not want kids there are many mehods of birth control!!! And Samantha take heart when the people give you a rough time for being a Christian!!! Look what they did to Jesus..And there are more Christians in this country and other countries--so hang in there!!
Well, did you notice this isn't at this point about illegals? Or that many who shoot their kids aren't illegals at all? It is awful that these children who killed, but this isn't about how awful illegals are and making it so deflects from the awful thing that has happened whether she is illegal or not.
Hey RAM... you wanna place a bet? Do you know the odds on this?
ram is correct. Your making a point about her being illegal or not is just geography. If she did the same thing back "home" it would still be as disgusting. The point is; innocent children were murdered for no good reason. End of story folks. It doesn't matter if the killer was legal/illegal/male or female. Don't try to politicize this heinous act that has occurred every place on the planet.
Patriotic Girl,
How the F*&% do you know she's not an American citizen? Do you know her? Just because she has a Spanish last name does not mean she is here illegally. Do you have SH@# for brains? I cannot believe all the ignorant racist comments here. You sound like you have a deceased brain, moronic. Not all Mexicans in the United States are here illegally fool! Some Mexicans were here before your parents or freakin grandparents arrived here beggin for food and shelter. Are you that ignorant not to know that Arizona was part of Mexico before? So obviously there will be Spanish names out there. Please tell me you graduated from 8th grade. It's stupid comments like the ones here that make white nutjobs go out on a shooting rampages. Please try to curve your tongue and if you don't have anything intelligent to say keep your fat white pie hole shut. Can you do us all that favor?? or are you an idiot?
I'm a bit shocked you are asking someone to curb (you said curve) their tongue. Your rant was just as inappropriate as theirs and makes you look less intelligent.
Just because people Don't want illegals here doesn't Always mean they are "racist" and there are other articles that are questioning her legality. It happens to largely be Hispanics that are crossing the borders illegally and people are sick of it.
I personally have No Problem with Hispanics or any race. But if they are here illegally I Expect them to be deported and I'm Against any type of amnesty, they are criminals. This nonsense about a state being part of Mexico or Hispanics being here before someone else, etc....is Pointless. Times Changed, Laws were developed, Stated created and borders were set. So just because someones grandparents were here before these laws, Doesn't make it ok for another to cross illegally regardless of their race.
Some people Are racist and no race is exempt from racism, but Most people just simply have an issue with people who cross illegally.
It is interesting to me that the concern about secure borders was not brought up during the Bush administration, when the Border Patrol was significantly increased. Illegal immigrants were enfranchised with the right to vote in Florida and Texas, not surprisingly, right around the time of the re-election campaign. That being said, you have asked the relevant question. How can you kill anyone? You can't. That is why our military reprograms all recruits in the first 8 weeks of service. (speaking from personal encounters with Basic Training graduates) Even in light of reprogramming, the human psyche cannot process killing, hence the prevalence of PTSD after deployment. This will never make sense to rational thinking people.