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David Conrad, 51, alleged fired a BB gun at a mosque next to his Illinois house.
Police say they've arrested a man who lives near a mosque in Morton Grove, Illinois, for firing a pellet rifle at the mosque Friday night while 500 people prayed inside.
In a statement sent out Sunday, police said 51-year-old David Conrad of Morton Grove, who lives near the Muslim Education Center, faces felony charges.
The statement released by Morton Grove Police Cmdr. Paul Yaras said Conrad faces three counts of aggravated discharge of a firearm and one count of criminal damage to property. It also said a high-velocity air rifle outfitted with a scope was seized.
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The shooting happened while worshippers were celebrating the holy month of Ramadan at the Muslim Eduction Center, 8601 N. Menard Avenue, about 10:30 p.m., according to Kamran Hussain, Vice President of the Muslim Community Center of Chicago, which owns the mosque.
Off-duty Chicago police officers, who had been hired to provide additional security at the mosque during Ramadan activities, called Morton Grove police after they saw an object whiz by and hit the building just above the head of one of the officers, Hussain said.
Though the damage to the building was minor, there were about 500 people inside the mosque for prayers at the time of the shooting, Hussain said, adding that many kids from the congregation were outside of the building during the service. No one was injured.
Around the same time, one of the guards saw someone firing a BB gun, with the shots coming from the home of a man who had previously spoken out against expansion of the school and mosque, Hussain said.
Conrad’s home abuts the mosque parking lot, which has been cause for a number of disputes between the building’s owners and the neighbor, Hussain said. He has lived there for about 12 years.
“He’s always been a thorn in our side,” Hussain said.
The BB gun used in the shooting was described as a rifle-type gun with a scope attached, Hussain said.
A U.S. Attorney, Morton Grove police and members of the FBI examined the building Saturday morning as the scene of a possible hate crime, according to a release about the incident from the Chicago office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations’ national headquarters issued a community safety advisory for mosques earlier this week following crimes targeting Muslims in Missouri and Rhode Island, as well as the mass shooting at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin.
Conrad will appear in court for a bond hearing on Monday.
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So this story, along with the guys picture make the national news on msnbc ~ however the hundreds of people shot, over 100 dead in chicago year to date~ not ONE of those stories or pictures makes the site. Wow, this doesnt seem anything like race / religious baiting.
Black on black crime is far less entertaining than religious wars.
Most Americans would pay more in taxes to see the inner city killings you speak of become policy
Paranoid much?
Patently dishonest rusty, and it's sad that as of this point, 2 folks have supported your inaccurate derail.
Hey knuckle head if you don't like MSNBC reporting go somewhere else. Duh
Hey rusty, it sounds like you didn't have access to the internet while you were in the psychiatric ward. Just so that you can catch up, waves of murders in Chicago have been all over MSNBC/NBC news.
Whatever happened to the right to carry a BB Gun if ya feel threatened?
Good thing this aint Texas, even my horse Big Tex straps a .45 civil war Luger in case he gets jumped on the way to the local beer hole....there's too many illegal Mexican horses around here that are nuttn but truble...
Doc -
a .45 civil war luger? Buy a clue!
I have known this family for years and while this obviously was a bad plan, there is another side to this story. They have endured years of harassment from temple attendees who, knowing they sought to block the construction, have targeted their home, vandalizing it; throwing projectiles at their home and family dog; and so on. Many of these incidents were reported to police, but little has ever been done. I know nothing of what happened in this incident, but I do know this: this man is much closer to Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino than the Sikh temple shooter.
I guess one would have to question the sanity of anybody that shoots anything when a cop is standing there. This was most likely an Airsoft rifle. My son and his friends have tons of them, including a sniper rifle like this guy had. They really don't do much damage at any distance beyond ten yards, and are lucky to break someone's skin. This guy is like a dude down the street from me that burned the message "BITCH-->" into his yard with fertilizer, pointed to his neighbor's house. For a while, you could see it on Google. LOL
We all knew there was more to this story than what is being reported. This guy is gonna get railroaded. Felony!? For a pellet gun and nobody got hit!? Hate crime? It's a @!$%#ing ridiculous idea at it's root almost all violent crime is a product of hate. This guy should get a ticket or spend a week or two in jail for criminal mischief at most! Unfortunately this guy is likely headed to prison. Bull@!$%#!
This guy sure was in the wrong place at the wrong time. To tell the truth if any kind of a house of superstition opened next to my house, I would do everything in my power to make life hell for them untill they paid me well over market value for my home or relocated themselves. Stinking sun worshipers!
Lost in the woods -
Life is so much better when it isn't fueled by anger and hate . . .
really other stories today woman stabs man night before wedding . or mother shoots her two kids then self .or any of the other gun shoot out stories . this is a stories about one religious nut hating other religious people the same as the salem witch hunts or the Inquisition. i thought your god was to sort out the good from the bad on judgement day . sounds to me like this guy thinks he IS god and having judgement day now today here on earth . and he is lucky the cops got him some NRA member might have been in there packing his gun and returned fire killing him with a real gun not a child's toy . which is always a good toy for the hitler youth a gun we have laws about kids driving and drinking or voting but guns it's ok give one to your 10 year old ?i hope your kid shoot you with it .
Well we don´t know what this guy´s motivation was ..but if it was against having a mosque in his community .it was obviously the wrong way to go about This could be a hate crime and a crime against the civic society He must be prosecuted to the full extent of the law,.But remember on the other side what happened to the peaceful demonstrators in Dearborn Michigan who were protesting against sharia law or some other aspects of Islamization They were very aggessively attack with stones by the Muslims.but instead of the stone throwers being arrrested for serious violent felonies they police instead just told the demonstrators to leave.On a similar event in Dearborn a Muslim tried to run over 9 peaceful protestors..Fortunately one police agency saw the murderous intent and the man was arresested has been charged with 9 counts of attempted murder.So far the verdict is still out but obviously it demands a prison sentence of decades.Protesting the Isalmization of the U.S and against sharia law which underminds the U.S is a right of everyone.So yes .prosecute the bb gun man but equally all Muslims who act violently ,and give the sentence they deserve.For honor killings a death sentence could be appropriate as it is a first degree murder.For the stone throwers .its obviously serious physical assault but crimes against free speech also.The penalties must be severe.All violence in the public sphere on all sides must be prosecuted to the full extent.There can be no immunity.!
Tommy, Tommy, Tommy. So much hatred. "Hope your kid shoots you with it"? Let it go, man.
What a dummy! If it remotely resembles a gun, the police will over react. What good did it do to shoot at a temple with a BB gun? Now if the guy were thinking he should have thrown some pig crap at the temple. I don't think that's a felony.
Very much an over reaction. Sad.
And yes, we never hear about murders in Chicago do we? NBC is as slanted as it gets. That too is sad. The American people deserve facts, not opinions and agendas.
Liberalssuc
Because quite honestly, who cares if its ghetto thug monkeys shooting themselves. I'll buy them the ammo if they keep it up.
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Maybe it's surburban house monkeys ????
"but I do know this: this man is much closer to Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino than the Sikh temple shooter."
Which Clint Eastwood in the movie? The racist bigot prick at the beginning of the movie? or the one that finally realize he was such a bigoted prick?
livinginthewoods
The woods was not kind to you, how'd you even learn to use a PC? But hey I bet you're one of those idiots who claims your rights are protected by the constitution, but anyone not like, be damn as the constitution don't protect their rights. You sir, are the empitome of bigotry, but you're probably proud of it.
"?i hope your kid shoot you with it"
I hope my kid shoots you with it.
Ah Tommy - I just love reading your posts. Nobody reads more into a story than you. A couple of corrections for you:
1) Woman stabs boyfriend before wedding is not a "gun shootout story"
2) The story doesn't mention anything about the shooter's religion. Likely, he is just a xenophobe.
3) "which is always a good toy for the hitler youth a gun we have laws about kids driving and drinking or voting but guns it's ok give one to your 10 year old" - what? it took me awhile to figure this gibberish out, but here goes.... Guns are good toys for Hitler youth (BTW. Hitler agreed with you) and you believe that if 10 year olds can have guns then logically they should be able to drive, drink and vote? -Problem is, 10 year old cannot own guns. Federal law specifies you must be at least 18, and in some cases 21 to own a gun.
John Mack,
No, I read either a break-stock or pump action air RIFLE in .177 caliber. These weapons can develop muzzle velocities approaching a .22 rifle and exceeding slower pistol rounds like the .45. At close enough range they can easily penetrate flesh, and have even been known to cause fatal woundings. Only the small mass of the projectile keeps them from being more dangerous. Although some pellets are available with hardened tip and oblong or boattail configurations. Sold through gunshops and by mail and the internet.
Two side notes... Jefferson equipped the the Rogers and Clark expedition with six air-rifles in 1804 for smal game hunting, since they were almost silent (important if you don't know how friendly your neighbors are) and didn't depend on gunpowder which could become spoiled or exhausted. AND, air-rifle is an Olympic medal shooting sport, medals and all. Not paintballs, rubber pellets, or even that Red Ryder.
This maybe not a huge story considering the weapon of choice, but all psychotic killers start off small. Some guys torture small animals, this guy decides to shoot at a building that had children and off duty cops outside of it at the time, so essentially he was shooting at the direction of people regardless of intent to hurt one of them. This guy knew the potential for people getting hurt.
If they just give him a citation for a misdemeanor it's not going to end this. It will only validate his actions. You do all get that right?
He is in no way justified to shoot BBs at kids even if his house was getting TP'd. And it's not like this guy isn't provocative in his own right. He is one of the countless morons (paging you, Bart!) who thinks that expansion of Mosques and Islamic schools is going to somehow lead to the adoption of all Sharia laws in this country. If the current constitution does not reflect every aspect of the old testament then there is no way in hell we would ever adopt the laws of Islam. That is just a dumb scare tactic made by ignorant, gullible people. And if a crazy dude in my neighborhood was trying to thwart a Mosque from being expanded or built for that reason then they certainly deserve to have their house egged or TP'd IMHO!!!
John Mack- The way I read the story it was an air powered pellet with a scope. If that was in fact the type of gun used i'm here to tell you the are nothing to joke about. They can be deadly. I bought one for my son last year and it is a one pump type with a scope. Very accurate gun and is capable of 600fps. Not to be compared to your plastic bb shooting toy. No matter what this man misused a firearm capable of doing serious bodily harm and he should be charged accordingly. It's people like him that make responsible gun owners look bad. To date my son has bagged 6 squirrels and 2 rabbits.
"He's always been a thorn in our side," Hussain said.
I got news for you Muslim man-- you and your kind are a thorn in the world's eyes
Really? "The world's eyes"? You base this on your extensive knowledge of the world's religions, international relations, and global politics, right?
How many people do you know who aren't members of your religion, or your state?
Apparently David never learned "You can put an eye out". David needs some counseling.
Deweydan
That was a good one! However, I don't think A Christmas Story movie with Ralphie would apply here! LOL
No worse than xtians, in my book.
Hey Tiger boy, you are a thorn in my side with that type of comment!! When the end comes near, I bet you and your kind will be begging the faithful ones for forgiveness, mercy, and peace, because you will suffer great pains, mentally, physically, and spiritually before the end is near. Repent and seek forgiveness and mercy now. Love thy neighbors unconditionally.
Tigerboy:
"There is no one true way and the way you find may only be good for you, and no one else, because no one's perception of the world is the same as your own.'
It's what you do that matters, not whose Name you do it in.
If a Muslim stepped forward and saved a baby in a stroller from rolling out in the path of an oncoming car, is that baby's life worth less because it was a Muslim who saved it? Is what he calls his god going to mean anything to the baby and the mother whose child was just saved? Is the mother of the child going to be any less grateful because her baby's savior was a Muslim?
If Hussain (don't they know any other names to name there spawns of the devil) anyway, if this man is a thorn in your side then buy him out at premium dollar. Who the hell do you think you are rag head? Are you even here legally? Bet not. Go back where you came from "the bowls of hell". Let the man go he has rights also. He is the American here. What the hell is wrong with this country anyway.
Americans come in many races, religions and cultures. Get over yourself.
And his rights stop where they involve shooting at another person or their property.
People like you.
SO now some hill billy chick decides who is an American?
Last time you rubes tried that, we northerners had to march into your towns and burn them to the ground.
It seems you guys have short memories
The 'bowls of hell' ??? What the heck are the 'bowls of hell' ??
Is that a new breakfast cereal?
And 'What the hell is wrong with this country anyway' with no question mark ????
YOU, alison-506550.08132012, might be the answer to your own non-question!
I once had a Lamb Vindaloo that was a bowl of hell, but I enjoyed the hell out of it. Took three Kingfishers to get through it, and there was hell to pay the next morning, but I would eat it again, as it was fantastic.
Allison, in reply to names, I don't think you should talk about people naming their CHILDREN, not devil spawn because some of the names I hear like Rock, Blue are not the best names for children, and secondly you should practice love and tolerance. Those who hate will find themselves @ the mercy of those they hate, watch!! LOVE and the world will LOVE-meaning, no violence, or prejudice.
What the hell is wrong with this country anyway.
To answer your question Your What's Wrong with This Country
Please see your Commit ( Who the hell do you think you are rag head? Are you even here legally? )
Racismis not a good look for you.
Allison, no one has the right to shoot a firearm at a place of worship. Get over yourself, or maybe just go to the American Cemetery in Normandy and count the headstones with Islamic Crescent and Stars.....although I doubt you can count that high.
Everybody else gets an arrow up check from me, except Mr. Demuth. Sorry, but I'm from South Carolina.
Those charges are a little overboard, as are the resources being put into that guys "investigation".
I agree with you entirely. The law does state that a pellet gun is the same as a regular gun in many states, I assume it is so in this state. I know a teenage kid that was prosecuted for shooting old ladies with a pellet gun on the Las Vegas strip.
Of course he needs to be punished, of course it was stupid, but it shouldn't be the same as if he fired a regular gunpowder based firearm.
Unless this complete doofus was shooting a BB Gun at your children!!!
What a hypocrite!
Get a clue, a BB Gun can still be a weapon, even though most frightened little NRA gunhuggers look for something with significantly more 'killing power' before they hide in their bunker.
Agree that there should be some kind of punishment. If you take the bb gun out of the equation and substitute water baloons, would it still be considered felony destruction of property and a hate crime?
No, because a water balloon can't break windows or put out someone's eye.
Yes, they can put someones eye out if launched from flexible tubing help by 2 people. Seen a guy get hit in the head from about 80 yards and he lost an eye.
The high-powered "BB" guns these days can shoot .177 BB's or .22 pellets at 1,500fps --- the same as a .22 long rifle. They are easily capable of killing someone. This is not your grand-daddy's Red Ryder BB gun that show at 250fps.
Did anybody catch this in the article?
Off-duty Chicago police officers, who had been hired to provide additional security at the mosque during Ramadan activities, called Morton Grove police after they saw an object whiz by and hit the building just above the head of one of the officers, Hussain said.
So one could argue here that the crime may not have been a hate crime, he could also have been aiming for one of the police officers. I don't know what the laws are like in that jurisdiction, but in my municipality, aiming or threatening an officer of the law or civil authority with any object that could possibly cause injury of any kind is a felony, whether it be a gun, sword, or potato launcher.
(Hubby's friend got in trouble for the potato launcher. Sister in law fortunately is an ex-cop.)
Water balloons would just be hate crimes......
Seems like misdimenor mischif and vandalism would be more appropriate than a felony. If he really wanted to kill someone, he wouldn't have been using a bb gun. That seems like common sense to me.
" If he really wanted to kill someone, he wouldn't have been using a bb gun. That seems like common sense to me."
That's common sense these days? I say that's wacked out sense if you really wanted to kill someone.
That's right. Let's let him off with a slap on the wrist and when he escalates the situation with a real gun we can all act so surprised when people end up dead!!!
So is it a BB gun or a pellet rifle? Typical NBC story with conflicting or missing info.
Guy is an idiot either way.
"So is it a BB gun or a pellet rifle? Typical NBC story with conflicting or missing info."
And the typical "I don't know anything" response.
PSSSSSST BB gun and Pellet guns are air rifles and many can shoot both BB's and pellets.
The Firing a "firearm" charge will be dropped since and air rifle is in fact not a firearm.
I don't get why all you MSNBC haters even come here to read the news. If you don't like their reporting go read your news somewhere else jeeeezzzzzzzzzzz Talk about being an idiot
@BP,
Since most states now consider any BB gun or air rifle that shoots at over 300fps as a "deadly weapon" the firearm charge will likely stick. Modern "BB" or pellet rifles can shoot .177 BBs or .177 or .22 pellets at over 1,500fps. This is the same as a .22 long rifle magnum. These are not the old Red Ryders that shot at 250fps. They can kill just as effectively as a regular .22. Just google "bb gun deaths" and you will see case after case of deaths from "BB" guns.
BP -
More than half the time when I read an article here, I go elsewhere to facts and figures, and to clarify the routine conflicts in these articles.
I stay with this site to watch folks get their panties in a wad and start slinging the names and insults (as you have so obliginly done).
And for your information, theire is a significant difference in the ballistic capabilities of a BB versus a pellet projectile, genus.
BP: to be completely accurate, you should refer to .22 Magnum. (not long rifle magnum, the magnum is bigger than the long rifle)
@BP-I can't speak for Illinois, but in Tennessee, an air rifle is considered a firearm when it is discharged in an incorporated area, or at a person or property. I can't imagine that the law would be less restrictive in Illinois than here.
mpa,
Yes, the .22 Magnum is a .22 LR round with an increased diameter cartridge case diameter. Looks like a mini .306 round.
Old Sarge,
Same ordinances here in rural southern Indiana. If you are in an incorporated area, you can only shoot at an approved gun range or in an impenetrable building with a bullet-trap. And that includes BB guns, CO2 guns, and air powered guns. Ironically, bows and arrows are still ok.
Another social-consequence of being terribly misinformed about Al-Islam - Ignorance and hatred will never carry the day when all is said and done!
@ alison-506550 it's "Bowels of Hell" not bowls. Satan doesn't deal in table settings. Thanks for showing multiple examples of your ignorance. ;o)
I'm not excusing his actions, but who was where first? Was he a quiet homeowner for "about 12 years" and at some point in those twelve years a Mosque was built next door? Or was it already there when he bought? It's a small distinction, but could be very revealing to what created the situation to begin with. If it was there when he bought, deal with it loser. You knew who and what your neighbors were. Just because you don't like them or their religion, is immaterial. Kind of like the people who build homes at the ends of airport runways and then complain about the noise and disturbances.
If on the other hand, he was there and the Mosque was built, they need to be a little deferential to HIS feelings. HIS peace and quiet was likely disturbed at least five times a day by the calls to prayer put out by the Mosque. Traffic likely expanded exponentially around his home. Have they considered that they might in fact have "always been a thorn in HIS side"?
Could they not buy the man out and provide housing for one of the Mosque Imams? Seems like that would have been the win-win situation. Two antagonists would be done with each other. But letting everything fester and escalate was the chosen route.
No, not really. It doesn't matter who was there first, this isn't a 10 year-olds game of "I saw it first," this is a legally sanctioned, legally constructed, legally titled and occupied building approved by the local government. Irrelevant who was there first.
PERIOD.
So by your logic, if I get new neighbors next door and I don't like them, I should be able to shoot them?
Well yeah, Tracy. That's the new normal in America. Once we had the Twinkie defense presented in a court of law all bets were off as far as responsibility. Actually it was probably before that but that was certainly one huge statement on how we view the legal system.
Fred Evil,
While your point is legal and valid, was the Mosque responsible for destroying HIS way of life? That was my point. Was there not a mutually beneficial resolution?
TraceyS,
Where did I say it was the solution? Where did I say he had the right or authority to do as he did. I'll submit to you that your comprehension skills are sorely lacking.
No. Did it force him up at dawn? Did it force him out of bed at 3 AM? Is he no longer able to buy pork rinds from the corner grocery?
Please, how ridiculously hyperbolic can you be? "destroying HIS way of life" ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?
You can't be. NO, it did not destroy his way of life, it INCONVENIENCED him, and in America, an inconvenience is YOUR problem. Every neighbor incurs them, and being an adult, in a FREE society, a little inconvenience is a MINOR problem. Unless you get shot at.
That's not just inconvenient any more, that's a threat.
XDm9mm- Your statement is an irrelevant crock. Give it up.
XDm9mm
No it does not matter who was there first. Unless you want to give all US lands back to the Natives then you may have a point. You can't just apply the constitution to fit your agenda, and say it doesn't apply to those you don't like.
Three counts of aggravated discharge of a firearm. A BB gun is not a firearm. Ignorant people that charged him. " Since nearly all B.B. guns use springs to propel the B.B., rather than an explosion or combustion, B.B. guns are not ordinarily considered firearms".
Ray.
You are wrong in almost every sense.
Few if any "BB" guns use springs. Most are a "pump" variety that use manually compressed air to fire, many are co2 powered.
Let me guess? Your a Christian? Who wants to look the other way while a grown man wants to intimidate children and old ladies?
Sounds like cowardice to me.
"Since nearly all B.B. guns use springs to propel the B.B"
None of the BB guns I ever had used a 'spring'. None. It would seem you don't know your BB guns *at all*.
"NO permit is required" because there is no powder or firing cap involved. Therefore the ATF doesn't require a permit or even consider the BB gun a weapon.
Raymond
Familiar with a Zip Gun? It uses rubber bands and or spring and can cause bodily harm
You're all wrong. A BB gun is a BB gun . A pellet rifle is a pellet rifle. Odds are the pellet rifle was a single pump pneumatic air gun. That's one spring that can produce enough air to launch a pellet 1600 FPS, one pellet at a time. I have one that can take down a coyote.
The first air rifles were not for kids. Hunting air guns were used as long ago as the late 1500's and were prominent as military and hunting weapons until they were essentially killed as a military and hunting weapon by a combination of magazine fed semi-automatic weapons and smokeless powder. Try reading up on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_gun
@smarterthan...
Virtually all single-shot BB guns can shoot pellets. .177 Pellet guns can shoot BBs. .22 Pellet guns can shoot both BB's (with an adapter) and .22 balls and small "shotgun shells with 4x.177 BB's of 9x.10 balls.
That would be called an air rifle if it was compatible with both. The gamo, or remington one's that I'm familiar with don't cross over from .177 to BB's. I have a .22 Remington and a Benjamin trail .22 that don't crossover.
smarterthanu,
I believe that Chris was referring to a sabot round. Sabot is French for boot. It is an adaptor sleeve that allows a smaller diameter or irregular shaped projectile to be fired through a larger diameter barrel. Most famous example is the armor-piercing shell for the M1A1 Abrams tank. When fired, the sabot peels away almost immediately, leaving a fin stabilized dart with a depleted uranium tip capable of penetrating almost all existing armor.
BTW, shaped, hard-tipped projectiles are also available for .177 and .22 air or compressed gas weapons (rifles or pistols).
Jeebus freak with a toy gun.
Wouldn't it have been a riot if one of the security guards had shot him dead!
Send more Muslims, they have made more progress in a year towards breaking up the stranglehold of the Jeebus Cult than our government has in 200!
We must drag these rednecks into the 21st century one way or another
Muslims are more radical in their beliefs than any christian, but you would rather a foreign person with extreme views rather than an American. Also, f the world for calling us fat and lazy..they all got spanked at the Olympics.
Are you serious? They may get more news and their tactics are different but if you had any inkling of how Christians push their agenda you would see that they are just as radical as Muslims. And.... if it shoots a projectile it's a considered a firearm.
@Smarter - Tell that to the relatives of the doctors who have been killed by "Christians". I'm sure they'll be *most* comforted to know that. As for fat and lazy, have you been to Disney World lately? Seriously.
smarterthanu11 - So the Westboro Baptist Church *aren't* radical Christians? Pat Robertson *isn't* a radical Christian? Billy Grahm *isn't* either? Not their followers? And not all the fundies either?
Essentially, you claim violent Christians are "crazy" and "unstable" - while claiming violent Muslims are "terrorists." Typical.
ease.sees
if it shoots a projectile it's a considered a firearm.
So a Sling-shot is a firearm? A bow & arrow is a firearm? What about a Spit-wad shooter, is it a firearm? Where is the line drawn? Think about the "fire" in firearm. Gun powder, burn, fire ????? Get it??????
Ease sees -
So the straws I used as a kid shoot dired peas, and the rubber bands I used to shoot folded paper have be re-classified as "firearms?" Don't think so, though they did shoot projectiles. Oh, how about bows? Are those aroows not projectiles?
Love the comparison of terrorist victims with the doctors killed by the Christians. If you google abortion murder, you will find there have been 8 murder victims (4 were doctors). There have been more injured.
Not to minimize the insanity of anti-abortion zealots, but the comparison just won't fly.
Westboro baptist church is a the 1% of christians that still follow the old testament and throwing them into the pot with other christians is a little bit of a stretch. I'm not a christian, just a guy who's still got sand in his ass crack and know's that it isn't about violence anymore, it's about them becoming martyrs, which in effect will cause policy change in the US. If you change the thought process in a nation, an idea is often more powerful than a bullet. Once a nation second guesses itself and splits apart, seeds of descent are sown and neighbors will fight neighbors and then the enemy wins. It may all be a joke to some, but then some are just candy ass bitches who can front on a forum, but wouldn't do @!$%# to help your own country.
Ease.ease, you amuse me with the lack of gun knowledge. "If it shoots a projectile its a firearm." So what about when I throw a rock while my arms on fire, does that fit into your definition?
smarterthanu,
I live not far from the snake-handling Christians. You wouldn't consider teasing venomous snakes as part of worship a bit extreme? And while Westboro may actually represent .0001% of "Christians" in the United States, there are tens of millions of Old Testament "Christians" who preach a theology of the Ten Commandments, cherry-picked Mosaic Law, and Apocalyptic imaginings. Look at those who quote Levitticus and John of Patmos more than they quote Christ. Or for that matter, quote any Biblical figure more than they do Christ.
As for for firearm definition, most incorporated areas have restrictions on firearms, pellet weapons in all forms (including slingshots) and crossbows. This due, not only to vandalism issues, but also to illegal hunting and to errant shot damage or injuries.
The best Major League pitch can throw a fast at 100 mph or about 150 fps. When you can throw a rock at 367 fps per second you'll read BB gun velocities. We might then start regulating rock throwing then. By the way, if you throw rocks at people in my town, you will be talking to the judge. If you actually hurt someone, you'll probably have some away time as well.
Puritains, Baptists, Luthrans, Calvanist, they are all a little crazy, but to lump Westboro in there is a little harsh. The people who protest soldiers funerals, because of gay marriage in the US is something not many other christians would do. Also, the law is getting a little crazy with prosecuting people for stuff that would have just earned you an ass beating from your father not 20 years ago. When I grew up, we would have neighborhood BB gun wars. We had one rule, do not shoot above the waist. If that happened now, the swat team would show up and get in a fire fight with ten year olds. I understand that as an adult, aiming any weapon in someone's direction show's a certain lack of common sense and should be handled with decisive action.
Implies "Prayer" IS A LITTLE OVER RATED.
Yank-957120
Implies "Prayer" IS A LITTLE OVER RATED
You better hope like hell it it..
my eye sees that it is the christians in this country that are causing the most religious crimes, while the others are mostly going about their own business. in the daily news which we are allowed to read it is the christians that are killing one another. just a thought!
William, before you go picking sides with the Muslims,you might want to know that, they have respect for Christians ,at least we believe in God, as far as Atheist like you, they consider you an Infidel who does not deserve to live. Sounds like you need to get your head out your a-- and get more in touch with the world news.
You think they will spare you cause you stuck up for them? Their goal is a totaly muslim world. Convert or get your head chopped off. Oh no wait the goverment will protect You!! Wake up! Your being a chump this global picture of peace and love is all bull@!$%#. Yes i know were all connected cause we have an i phone or a blackberry yes the world is one big @!$%#ing t ball game and everyone wins a prize.
He should have used a rockect launcher. Yes i'm anti muslim. These people are not our friends.They plan to use our own laws to take over and force us out of our own community. Pretty much like the did in southern lebonon.You people are too dumb and liberal to see it.Do some resaearch look at what they did in Michgan.
Why is it that those who dislike Muslims the most also advocate becoming like Middle East countries?
Marinating in your hatred and ignorance, miserable as you are, is precisely what you deserve.
your an idiot your right where they want you.
Ahh Mrs Warden, how miserable your life must be.
It's a picture of Mr Warden
The vast majority of Muslims in the US are peaceful people. Indeed, many of them have immigrated to the US because we are a democracy, have freedom of speech, assembly, religion, and so on. The people who are vandalizing mosques should be ashamed of themselves.
No, I am not a Muslim. I am a Christian. Indeed, a WASP.
Forget deporting illegal immigrants. Can we start deporting ignorant, hateful rednecks like this guy?
Coward idiots with guns. If I saw him on the streets I'd think he'd do something like a zombie. Bigger zombie is the one here arguing that a BB Gun is not a firearm. There's no shortage of idiots in this climate.
Yes there is more honor in strapping on a vest of explosives and walking into a packie mart or where ever these people shop at and blow the whole place up. Or fly a couple of plains into the side of this country.
Won't come out in the open and fight. Like to hide behind women and children though...hmmmm
RKapoor
Let's just nominate you King Coward Idiot. If you knew anything , you wouldn't make the remark you made. I don't care how they are listed, a pneumatic weapon is NOT a firearm. It may be dangerous but it is NOT a firearm. And just what does owning a gun have to do with being a coward? You better hope that if you are ever put in the position to need help from someone with a firearm that they are there. It may be the difference in life or death.
Kevin,
I think you totally over-read, but misunderstood RKapoor's comment. The zombie attitude is the one that believes the answer to inconvenience is to arm and to intimidate. The more one arms, for the sake of arming and intimidating, the more unthinking they become. In many regards, we see evidence of this in the militia and racial supremist groups in this country. And in the survivalists.
It is clear, in this case, that the man was trying to intimidate the mosque by taking pot shots at it. Had he had an assault rifle, would you have stopped him, or just become another casualty?
Uh... Here is the Municipal Code for San Diego. I shoot my pellet gun in my back yard and my friends back yard, who a larger yard where we can get longer distance. San Diego does not consider a pellet/bb gun a firearm. However, it can NOT be discharged in a public place. My back yard is not a public place. That being said, if I sent a pellet over the wall, I am sure that I could get in trouble for it. Especially, if it hit a mosque.
docs.sandiego.gov/municode/.../Ch05Art03Division00.pdf
At least he didn't fly a jetliner into the mosque.
I think it's HILARIOUS to see people get so irate when speaking of protecting their constitutional right to bare arms, but then TOTALLY disregard the Constitution's very FIRST amendment, which is the freedom of religion and expression. You've got to love the hypocrisy!
They think it's like their bible and that they can pick and choose the parts they like, and disregard the parts they don't like so much.
@caliGurl,
There's a Constitutional right to tank tops and sleeveless dresses? Whooda thunk?
They think it only applies to them. No one else is allowed to have religious freedom, if they don't approve of the religion.
You'll put your eye out kid.
I laughed at this reply. TNT runs that movie every Christmas straight for 24 hours.
BB Gun (single Shot) shooting involving a mosque makes national news ? I'd hate to see what happens when a poor bird accidentally poops on that mosque. They break out Animal Control Swat to no-knock some nests and kick ass?
OK. That is funny.
A BB gun is just a toy until you hit someone in the eye. A gun is a gun when you are shooting in the direction of people.
Maggieann,
Correct. I have a CO2 .177 pistol that I inherited from my brother. I have it locked up. It looks just like a .45 automatic, except the bore is way too small. It was produced and sold BEFORE the orange safety tip was required for toy guns and low-velocity (250 fps and less) pellet guns. If brandished in public in any way, it is an invitation to get shot by someone with a real gun.
Did I read correctly that our Police departments are working for the Muslims??? We are still waiting for that Muslim Major in our army that killed all those soldiers in that Houston Army Base to go on trial. I bet this guy is sentenced in a week. A bee bee gun. It's a good thing he didn't have a Sling shot, he would really be in trouble. The tail is wagging the dog in this country now.
The police work for Americans, regardless of religion.
We need Ted to give us the facts pertinent to projectile weapons. When I read BB gun I thought this article was silly to be minor headline event. A pellet rifle (and yes the fancier rifles do fire at high velocities up to 1500fps) lacks the projectile momentum on impact as a .22 rifle at say around 150-300ft. I have a couple of older Benjamins that shoot .22 pellets up to 1200fps (beefed up pistons). That wouldn't do a lot of damage other than break a window or hurt someone (could kill I suppose under 200ft). I think this guy should get a ticket and do some community time but no felony. We have a Mosque near our house and other than traffic it is well managed and everyone is nice. So let's not shoot at these people. Of course if Al Queda shows up then it will be Texas time in the woods. Not likely.
53 in Texas,
You did read that this was in near suburban Chicago, home of 40' and narrower lots? As for hate crime, the votes aren't in, but investigating those charges are in order. Otherwise, it still seems like a lot of bad blood here, much like the Hatfields and McCoys. And we know how that turned out.
LOL! What an idiot!!
Did anyone else catch the part: called Morton Grove police after they saw an object whiz by and hit the building just above the head of one of the officers, Hussain said.
I call Bull $hit on that one. Nobody is going to see a BB or Pellet whiz by. The human eye doesn't register something that small at that speed. Even if they did see something. What ever it was would have bounced off & they would have been searching for hours. Something here doesn't pass the smell test. I have shot pellet & BB guns all my life. Your lucky to see it if your the shooter & your behind the gun looking for it. It wouldn't WHIZ (sound) either. Whole story BS.
Local paper stated that poice were called after the security guard heard the projectile strike the building. It also indicated that it was unknown how close the projectile came to the security guardm but was close enough for him to hear it strike.
Usual NBCLite article(Chew on that, BP!)