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George Zimmerman, right, with is attorney Mark O'Mara appears in front of Circuit Judge Kenneth R. Lester Jr. during a bond hearing at the Seminole County Criminal Justice Center in Sanford, Fla. on June 29, 2012.
George Zimmerman’s lawyer, Mark O’Mara, is pushing forward with his fight for a new judge to take over the case.
O’Mara announced Monday he will appeal the decision of Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. to stay on the case in which Zimmerman faces a second-degree murder charge in the death of Trayvon Martin.
O’Mara filed a motion last month asking Lester to recuse himself, saying the defense had lost faith in the judge’s objectivity because Lester reset Zimmerman's bond after finding out how much money his online defense fund had actually raised.
Lester originally granted Zimmerman a $150,000 bond, but when prosecutors argued that Zimmerman and his wife misled the court about their financial state, he revoked the bond, accusing Zimmerman of getting ready to skip town with a cache of donations totaling about $130,000. Lester put Zimmerman back in jail for several weeks and then set a $1 million bond for Zimmerman, an amount that nearly wiped his defense fund.
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Lester ruled on Aug. 1 that he would not remove himself from the case because the defense motion asking him to step down was “legally insufficient.”
O’Mara had 30 days to file an appeal. Now O’Mara is asking the Fifth District Court of Appeal to reconsider Lester’s ruling. He filed a 27-page motion at the Daytona Beach courthouse Monday.
“We’re not going to take any chance of short-cutting my client’s constitutional rights,” O’Mara told reporters outside his office Monday.
O’Mara also discussed his recent announcement that the defense will seek a hearing under Florida’s controversial “stand your ground” law, telling reporters that he believes the facts of the case show that Zimmerman had no option but to shoot.
“Facts do not seem to support a stand your ground case,” O’Mara said. “I think the facts suggest in this case that what probably happened was my client was reacting to having his nose broken.”
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O’Mara also said that Zimmerman will seek permission from Lester – or, if his appeal succeeds, a new judge – to leave Seminole County because he is living in fear.
“He really has to live as a hermit, unfortunately,” O’Mara said.
Zimmerman, 28, is charged with second-degree murder in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, who was shot and killed while walking through a Sanford, Fla., neighborhood in February.
Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty, claiming self-defense.
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DOCJT has written about all of George's inconsistencies in his audio and video police interviews------
if you havent seen it. check out you got a problem homie part 1 and 2 on youtube. its a audio version of what you just typed out, it compares his various statements.
"he believes the facts of the case show that Zimmerman had no option but to shoot."
Remember folks, according to O'Mara, anytime you get into a physical altercation, your only option is to shoot.
O'Mara never said that.
NBC has lied once again. They edited O'Mara's statement.
What's it matter if Zimmerman in self defense had used a rock, stick, brick, gun or broke his neck?
O'Mara was trying to explain that Florida statute 776 (SYG) is actually self defense. It only removes "retreat".
O'Mara pointed out that most people think Stand Your Ground means, just stand there. No.
You can substitute Self Defense Hearing for Stand Your Ground Hearing. A rose by any other name....
The argument is the same whether at the hearing or the trial. Zimmerman was in fear of imminent bodily harm and death.
Zimmerman shot Trayvon in the heart and then, George says that he, immediately got on top of Trayvon's body
And so, Trayvon's body should have been at the location Zimmerman pointed out as being where he shot Trayvon because Trayvon was pounding his head (NOT 30 feet away!)
I do not think Zimmerman shot Trayvon in self defense.
No, Zimmerman got up from the location that he said his head was being "pounded" after falling down from Trayvon's jab to his nose. Yes, he got up and went 30 feet after Trayvon and shot Trayvon in the heart.
NO SELF DEFENSE THERE AT ALL!
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Look at the insight this writer had about George---
The defense will rely on forensics, credible witness(s) and expert witness testimony.
What type of expert witness? One with a medical degree who will also explain why blows to the head are dangerous and why Zimmerman had reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm and/or death.
The prosecution would have to produce credible supporting evidence to show Zimmerman's injuries were not inflicted by Trayvon Martin.
At a SYG hearing George will have to convince the judge, NO jury, just the judge, that he shot Trayvon, because he feared for his life....
Problem is, GZ continued to follow AFTER being told NOT to, therefore he was NOT in fear for his life!
He can try the self defense ploy at a trial...it's not going to work at a SYG hearing...O'Mara admitted as much in his grandstand show YESTERDAY!
lol....
And the prosecution will call on witnesses with a "medical degree" that will PROVE GZ suffered NO SUCH blows....
GZ is TOAST.
I still love you Carmen.
Yes, O'Mara did say that. Just because Zimmerman's own attorney has made a statement that conflicts with your distorted opinion of George Zimmerman being some kind of "victim" doesn't mean that the statement was edited and O'Mara never stated those words. Carmen. He said them. Get over it.
"No option but to shoot." BS. People get punched in the nose every day in this country. They don't shoot. They punch back, they put their hands up in surrender, they remove themselves from the situation. But they don't shoot. And when they do shoot someone for punching them in the nose, they go to jail for murder. Little Georgie evidently never learned that if you don't have the ability to fight, you don't start fights. George actively instigated this confrontation, and as a result, the person he instigated the confrontation with defended himself. Goerge panicked like the coward he is, and shot the kid because he was afraid he was about to get his butt whipped.
No options? George had plent of options. George could have stayed in his car and waited for police. George could have gone on to Target and purchased his weekly supply of Twinkies. George could waited to have some real evidence of something suspicious before even calling the police. George could have stopped following Trayvon Martin when instructed to do so. George could have made different decisions at several different points in this event that would have led to drastically different outcomes. Options? George had a lot of options. He just decided to choose the wrong options.
Who is this person(s) standing beside GZ telling him whether or not the injuries he is sustaining are potentially life threatening or not. They are a witness to the whole event. Why has this evidence just now come out? Well now we can at last have an unbiased account of what did occur.
WTF are you rambling about now? LOL
Well it just came across my mind that if normally a person decides for themself whether or not injuries they are receiving are life threatening or not. So for GZ's injuries not to have been potentially life threatening the beating would have to have been monitored at the time by people trained in evaluatingthe physical damage caused by having your head beaten. So where is the testimony of this person(s)?
----What type of expert witness? One with a medical degree who will also explain why blows to the head are dangerous and why Zimmerman had reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm and/or death.---
Actually they could get anyone off the street to explain how it's impossible to grab a person whose head is covered 45% in blood, by the head and not have blood on your hands! Trayvon pre ME report had NO BLOOD ON HIS HANDS! Case closed lock em up! GZ is a lair! Stop letting your racial hatred get in the way of common sense! Oh, Hey Olga still hating?
Oh please he slammed Gz head in to the ground he does not have to have blood on his hands if gZ cut is in the back of his head, which it is.
Dumb dumb Donna please do keep up. GZ nose was bloody there was blood over 45% of his head! Blood coming from his nose! I don't make this s**t up Donna it's in the police and fire reports! You are free to want GZ to go free be you can't ignore the facts that make him guilty! I c ur hood Donna! BTW Gorgie and family need more dough ! Go make a deposit you are on the wrong website!
What you keep saying is GZ head was 45% covered with blood, well that wouldn't be just from a nose bleed, they showed the gash on the back of his head. Are you just in denial or stupid. As for sending money to GZ don't need to but for you to really believe he is going to be convicted, you sound as sure as Nicole simpsons family sounded.
Donna, you do admit there was blood coming from his nose right? It seems we agree on that. Stay with me here Donna, so at GZ reenactment video he describes how Trayvon attempts to smother him by.....COVERING HIS NOSE AND MOUTH WITH HIS BARE HANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now wouldn't that get blood on Trayvon's hands from his nose bleed that he sustained we he was allegedly punched in the nose at the "T"? As far as conviction goes? Who knows? If the jury has just one jack ass like you on it justice may not be served. I just want to see his lies broken down in the court of law for the world to see. George Zimmermans life will NEVER be the same and that's good enough for me.
My next question is off topic but I was wondering do you guys buy those robes you wear at a store or do you make them yourselves? I was also wondering how do you guys make those hoods stand up straight like you do? Are they made similar to the dunce cap you were made to wear in grade school?
Thanks for the chat!
Good point icurhoods!!
LOL!!! Those are great questions.
OH wait I get it HAHA LMFAO I am racistI am KKK. Dude your a @!$%#en douchebag. Not everyone who disagree's with you is racist. But then I am sure idiots like you are the reason OJ got off. And yes i hope there is people like me on that jury so he is found NOT GUILTY.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh-z6zeYqyo
check it out if you arent scared. You Gotta Problem Homie Part 2.
Oh, Georgie, Georgie, Georgie. You are your own worst enemy, lol.
Witness #6 in both statements witnessed Martin on top of Zimmerman. It didn't change.
Witness #6 only elaborated on how Martin was attacking Zimmerman. Witness #6 provided a written statement which includes, but is not limited to, Martin on top of Zimmerman who was trying to get away and screaming for help.
Thereafter, while speaking about what he witnessed to a friend, the friend told him there were MMA blows. The media said it was Martin screaming not Zimmerman which made witness #6 think he was wrong. This is what he said in his audio statement to law enforcement.
At the end, removing the media and friend's undue influences he stood by the written statement of what he witnessed that night.
That witness #6 was later influenced by the media to elaborate and/or change one of his statements after the fact doesn't mean that what he witnessed and wrote it down the night the incident occurred doesn't mean the written statement isn't true.
This is a prime example of how the media and members of the public violated the integrity of the investigation. By reporting that it was Martin, not Zimmerman, screaming it caused the witness to second guess and hey the media is never wrong right?
By the friend who saw nothing telling the witness what he actually saw.
Witness 6 More>>>
Click the word "More" above to hear this witness' CHANGES TO his testimony
Listen first to his 911 call saying that George and Trayvon were "Wrestling"
THEN listen to the 4 follow-up interviews with the investigators
Listened to all of Witness 6's statements. First, this is a prime example of the fact that memory is constructed. That is a scientific fact. This guy's statements are also a prime example of why "eye witness testimony" is the least reliable form of evidence there is.
Just a coule of things I found interesting, other than the huge number of contradictions between the recordings and the statements.
He continually refers to the "guy on top" as wearing a "black sweatshirt, black sweater, black jacket". Trayvon had on a grey sweatshirt.
He refers to the "guy on the bottom" as wearing a "red or a white" jacket or sweater.
Let's think about this for a minute. First, there s a huge difference between red and white. Secondly, George had on a black and burgundy jacket, and in the dark, that would appear to be of a darker hue than the grey sweatshirt Trayvon was wearing. Look at the pictures of George's jacket, and look at the pictures of Trayvon's hoodie. Looking at intensity of color alone, which would be what would be visable in the dark, it is obvious that George's jacket was darker in intensity than Trayvon's sweatshirt.
In the first statement, this witness says that the "guy on top" which he also identified as the "black guy" was "throwing MMA style punches. In his later statement, he says that he did not see any punches thrown, did not hear the sound of any punches landing, and could only be certain that they were wrestling around on the ground.
In his first statement, he claims that the "guy on the bottom" whom he also identitified as the "white guy" was the one yelling for help. In his later statement, he says that he doesn't know who was yelling for help, and just thought it made sense that the one on the bottom would be the one yelling for help.
He states that he heard "help" 2-3 times. Other witnesses state that "help" was yelled at least 15 times.
George claims that Trayvon was "straddling him". This witness says they were both lying on the ground wrestling.
This witness claims that he heard the confrontation begin farther away and move closer. Contradicts George's claim that the confrontation started where "Trayvon hit him and he fell" and ended in the same place.
This witness says he spoke to neighbors prior to giving his statement. That contaminates his memory.
Continually says, "I just thought that was ..... because that was the way I would think it would be." Evidence that he has no evidence of what was, and is just telling a story based on the way he thinks it might have happened.
First says he saw punches thrown, then says he saw no punches thrown, only wresting.
And all of this is without a really in depth analysis. Let's just say this guy's statement is worthless.
From Sally and Jo-An's earlier discussion------
Yes, this does prove that George was on top of Trayvon.
This is great physical evidence. The blood of the photo on George's head is a type of MAP showing the unfolding of the events!
Little did GZ realize that the photo of his head would incriminate him rather than exonerate him!
THIS WAS POSTED EARLIER BY MrPerryvine----
#1091.15 - Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:20 AM EDT
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George Zimmerman Reenacts Shooting of Treyvon Martin for Police at Crime Scene (Part 2)
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Go to 5:58/ of 8:03 on the video-----where Zimmerman says
Zimmerman shot Trayvon in the heart. Trayvon's body should have been at the location Zimmerman pointed out as being where he shot Trayvon because Trayvon was pounding his head (not 30 feet away)
I definitely think George was on top of Trayvon at the end when he shot Trayvon.
we already know this - george admitted getting on top of trayvon after he shot him - one of the 2 ladies also puts george on top after the shot - not new information
George also claims that Trayvon said "You got me!" after he was shot, and said, 'Ow, ow" when George got on top of him. Impossible for that to have happened. Trayvon's lungs were collapsed. He could not have spoken.
So perry changed his story again, what new.
But they didn't find a bullet in the ground under Trayvon. would have to be according to your theory.
What the hell are you talking about, gdimatt? A bullet in the ground? That would have virtually nothing to do with my theory in the least.
And no, they would not have had to find a bullet in the ground if Trayvon was on the ground with George on top when he was shot. The impact of it passing through his heart and the muscle tissue of his chest and his back would have slowed the impact. It wouldn't necessarily have had the velocity to continue on into the ground.
it was a pass through shot it would be under him or in the ground. you can't dispute that.
So, you tell me...where was the shell casing found? I happen to know the answer to that, and the explanation for why it was found where it was, but I am interested in how you are attempting to spin all this.
Didn't GZ stand up before the photo was taken?
Yes that's why the blood is dripping down the front.
Nonsense. The injuries only serve to prove that Zimmerman was the one assaulted.
One of the officers on the scene notated grass was on the back of Zimmerman's jacket.
Not to mention Zimmerman was moving to get out from under Martin and at some point stoop up and walked.
Leave it to an expert witness with a real medical degree to explain it to you.
They prove nothing of the sort, Carmen.
So, there was grass on the back of George's jacket. All that proves is that there was grass on the back of George's jacket, not how it got there.
I really don't think that Martin ever layed a finger on Zimmerman. From the very first report in the media, there was no mention of Zimmerman being injured. Those reports came the day after. Broken nose? I think that Mr. Zim had a "friend" or two, in the local police department (the same ones who stated he had "blood" on him), that told him that it looks bad if he wasn't injured so I think Mr. Zim smacked himself a couple of times just to get the appearance of an injury, then got checked out.
He deserves all he gets and more, he denied a life to a kid and robbed the family of their son/brother. His reasoning doesn't even make sense, I think he wanted the "thrill of the kill", and he actually thought he got away with it, people like that belong in only one place...
There's more than ample evidence from the scene of the incident alone to prove Zimmerman sustained injuries at the scene.
All the evidence proving Zimmerman sustained injuries at the scene has already been provided to the public.
I tend to agree, Joe. Personally, I don't think that Trayvon Martin ever punched George Zimmerman in the nose. I think that George took an elbow to the nose while he was trying to detain Martin, and Martin was trying to get away. Think about it. A fist to the face, in the nasal area, would also have resulted in a blow being delivered, at the very least, to the upper lip. If the blow was hard enough to cause a bloody nose, it would have been hard enough to split his lip, as well.
George grabbed ahold of Martin, Martin threw his arm up and spun away, and his elbow contacted George's nose.
I'll admit that it is possible that Trayvon punched George in the nose. But not probable.
Look at George's face in the re-enactment video. There is a very small mark on the right side of the bridge of his nose. That would be the point of contact. If someone was intentionally throwing a punch, why would they aim for the bridge of the nose towards the forehead. Anyone with any sense at all knows to intentionally hit someone in the forehead area, the thickest part of the skull, with your bare fist, is likely to cause a broken hand in the person throwing the punch. And there are no marks on Trayvon's hands indicating that he threw a punch with that degree of force. No bruising at all.
Yep. Old Georgie took an elbow to the bridge of his nose while Trayvon was trying to get away from him, not an intentional punch.
Very good point DOCJT, that scenario is quite probable...
Just think about it for a minute. If someone has ahold of the front of your sweatshirt, how are you going to attempt to break their grip? You are going to throw your arm up to counter act the grip and spin to use force to make them let go.
It is a natural and automatic defensive reaction, much the same as throwing your hands out in front of you to break a fall.
Then wouldn't the entry wound be on the side of TM's chest. Throw arm up and spin.
No. The entry wound is dependent upon where George aimed.
So when TM spun side ways GZ would have to get up, run around in front of TM, pull his clothing out and...wait, TM would throw his arms up and spin again. So GZ would have to run around to the front of TM, pull his clothing out and.............yep makes scents to me.
Do you spend a lot of time trying to come up with these illogical and impossible scenaios in your head, kpm? Because if you do, you are wasting quite a bit of time. LOL
Let me venture a guess. You are an only child, aren't you? And grew up without friends with which to play.
Hey it was your scenerio (see I'm smart enough to know what you meant instead of what you wrote) sfb.
Dude seriously now TM did not slam GZ head in to the ground a cop did , Shut the @!$%# up you idiots. Of course TM touched GZ there were marks on his face a cut on his head, these pictures were taken immediately after. You guys are trying to say the police did it all. Come on now.
I now have a copy of the Writ of Prohibition or appeal as some of you would understand it, that was submitted yesterday.
The defense intends to have a SYG hearing.
That Writ of Prohibition has nothing to do with an SYG hearing, Carmen. It is a writ to appeal the lower court's decision regarding recusing Judge Lester from the case. lol.
Please explain to me why a lawyer would seek immunity in an SYG hearing when he has already admitted that the case does not meet SYG criteria? LOL
O'mara is doing what anyone else would do in this situation and that is stretch the boundaries and take advantage of things that are not even there. He is reaching and he is doing it all for money, fame and recognition.
How is there still going to be a mini trial if they finally just realized that it would be in their best interest to not claim it? And how can that not claim it now after claiming it to avoid being arrested?? This is all BS and it's clear to see O'mara is looking for loopholes that are so obviously in existence.
Because what you accuse Mr. O'Mara of saying was never said.
You just never let the facts get in your way, do you, Carmen? LOL
I feel almost like Carmen IS Zimmy....Logic fits..ijs
No doubt, IndyTy. Same patterns of logic, same distorted thought that they are both smarter than all the rest and can get away with anything they want to just because they are so special that everyone will believe anything they say without question.
On Friday, O'Mara states in writing there will be a Stand Your Ground Hearing.
3 days later, O'Mara submits a written signed document to the court werein O'Mara states there certainly will be a a Stand Your Ground Hearing. Yet the media claims he said there isn't going to be a Stand Your Ground Hearing.
And yesterday, he stated that this case does not meet the criteria for an SYG defense. Try to keep up.
That brief for the appellate court was written and submitted prior to yesterday's statement.
The whole thing will be settle in court. He will be found innocent of the " allege " crime by a jury of his peers. The public owes him an apology just like they owe poor Casey Anthony, who was wrongly accused and found innocent of all charges. Even Trayvons mom said that " it was an accident".......””
Nope. It will never get to trial. George will cop a plea. Mark my words.
Raiderintacoma
Re-REG TROLL....
Hi Shellie
Boy, you are on those re-regs, Jo-An! LOL. Thanks!
So jo-ann is really Shellie but also the troll police?
No, Jo-An is not Shellie. KPM just keeps hoping Shellie will be reading these posts because he has a thang for the big girls.
kpm is a junkyard dog...keeps following me around like a stinky flea ridden old dog...hoping I will pet him..
I just ignore him....
I keep mistaking Shellie's, I mean Jo-an's avatar for Shellies mug shot. Whoops my bad.
Rest in peace Trayvon....
Rest in peace Trayvon
He will. As soon as Zimmerman starts that old prison sentence coming down the pike.
To those who appear to be confused about SYG and traditional self defense:
April 13, 2012
"Stand your ground is not a defense, but an immunity statute, providing immunity from criminal prosecution."
From Althouse.com
When Detective Serino asked GZ how is it that he did not know the names of the streets and he had been living there for 3 years, and he was the head of the 'Neighborhood Watch', GZ replied, "to be honest with you, I have a bad memory anyway". For what it is worth, GZ was NOT actually a 'Neighborhood Watch CAPTAIN', but rather, he was a Neighborhood Watch COORDINATOR, or LIASON person. See www.talkleft.com/zimm/watchinvite.pdf
Also of interest: at the beginning of that interview with Serino, George was asked if he had ever been diagnosed with a mental disorder or if he was taking medication. He stated no to both questions.
When the issue of his memory came up, Serino questioned him as to what caused his poor memory. George then stated that he was diagnosed with ADHD (classified as a mental disorder) in 1988, and takes 20 mg. of Adderrall TID.
Caught in a lie right there.
George told so many lies, it's hard to keep track...
This youtube video does a great job showing his lies and discrepancies between his non emergency police call and his reenactment the following day...you can tell he was "coached" on what to say....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k07wZIU1siM
During GZ's re-enactment, Serino asked GZ did he pursue this kid, did he want to catch him: GZ gave a sneaky gestured laugh and said, "no"...Yea, right..
Zimmerman was placed as Chairman. Police report page 54 of 300 page discovery.
Witness # 11 says he was the only member of the neighborhood watch.
Aren't neighbors considered to be in the neighborhood watch? George was the chairman.
Uh, no. It is comprised of volunteers and is organized and has rules of protocol. It is not just a bunch of nosy old ladies looking out their windows.
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George, face the facts. You LIED in court about not having any money prior to being bailed out on bond the first time. It really doesn't matter if this judge is removed or not. This is a documented event that YOU CAUSED!!!!! You shot an unarmed teenager. What did you think was going to happen??? Did you actually think this was going to just blow over?!?!? Mark my words, you're going to prision, your wife is also going to jail, and there is NOTHING you can do to stop this!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why on earth try to reason with shills who, when cornered, will start babbling that "not to follow" means get back to your truck and lock the doors?
The vituperation being directed at Zimmerman is becoming truly swinish.
No one said "not to follow" means get back in your truck and lock your doors. We are saying it means exactly what it implies: don't follow. George followed.
AND george "admitted" to Serrino....
Only he calls it "going in the same direction"...LOL
And Serino's resposnse to that was, *chuckle* Yeah...that's following.
And George goes on Hannity and AGAIN admits to following Trayvon!
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Hannity: "Do you regret getting out of the car to follow Trayvon that night?"
Zimmerman:" No sir. "
FOLLOW! What an idiot!
Not, "Do you regret getting out of the car to look for an address that night?"
Um, hm, and in the lexicon you borrowed from Humpty Dumpty, "follow" means, among other things, to "keep a lookout for," and "walk around" and, in fine, to do anything other than lock oneself in the truck. No point in lying about it.
Okay, we are going to put an end to these little semantic games that people keep trying to play in order to support their insupportable position.
From The New Oxford English Dictionary:
Follow: v. [trans.] 1. go or come after (a person or thing preceeding ahead); move or travel behind: she went back into the house and Ben followed her [intrans] he was following behind in his car.
Some synomyms offered by Roget's Thesuarus for follow include: chase, give chase, go after, hunt, run after, stalk, shadow.
Now can those of you who seemed to be so impressed with their use of, and understanding of, the English language stop playing these semantic little games that actually do nothing but show how underserved your own opinion of your intelligence is?
Really archon41, you are making yourself appear the fool.
When I looked up "follow" I saw 13 definitions. Why did you pick just one? I thought this one applies just as well.
Follow - To watch or observe closely: followed the bird through binoculars.
Because in this case, the one that applies is the verb. Duh.
It has already been proven that George was not "closely observing". He was on the move. Hence, the trans verb definition is the one to apply.
If Zimmerman cannot get the judge to remove himself, is he going to "stand his ground" and pull a GUN on the judge?
How much does anyone want ot bet that O'Mara Resigns in a few weeks? Thats why he doing all of this, he knows he has a case he can't win and client who has clearly lied, because the evidence that has been presented, and now he is deperately trying to find anything to hold up this trial. O'Mara is like any other defense attorney, part criminal himself.
I will admit that his jumping ship has occurred to me. He wouldn't be the first lawyer to bail on George.
LOL...True..
I'm thinking the same thing...Hannity wants him to hire Jose Baez...that would be fitting.
All witness statements must be looked at and questioned. All statements made by George Zimmerman must be looked at and questioned. And not in this comment forum, you can't just read them and assume what the person meant, sometimes the order gets mixed up, sometimes they are talking about something other than what you are assuming. The people making the statements need to be cross examined and compared to solid facts.
Too many here have a conclusion already in their head and are twisting the evidence to support their opinion rather than seeing where the evidence takes them. They may be right but they may be wrong. Any good scientist will tell you that without a thorough and proper investigation of data your results are worthless.
If you will listen to all the interviews of the witnesses where follow ups were done to their statements, you will find that clarification was an intrinsic part of the follow up interviews.
Listen and learn, listen and learn.
Yes like the witness whose statement was clarified by his mother days later.
So when Zimmerman, having observed Martin fleeing south, towards the rear gate, walked east over to Retreat View Circle, he was "following" Little Trayvon? Get back under your bridge.