Immigrants who come here as children and are willing to go through the process to become legal and pay taxes along with showing an ablility to provide a service to the country should be allowed to stay and do so.

For the immigrants who come to this country to work under the table, be a drain on our entitlment programs, and who commit crimes and belong to gangs... see ya later.

now how you begin to track down and differientiate those two in a fair and non discriminatory way is beyond me.

Illegal is illegal. Go home.

This is just a backdoor amnesty program to buy votes from the Hispanic community. This is a disgrace, these people have broken the law and are criminals that need to be deported.

Like every other government program, it will be full of fraud and corruption and probably 3-4 times as many people will get the benefit as qualify. If a person can't verify their status, they are allowed to ask friends or neighbors if the kid has been in the US more than 5 years.

Business as usual with the amnesty groups and another power grab by the administration. It is a black day for America.

Obama wants to give them temporary amnesty, just until the election.

Stop promoting hate my friends because hate is gonna come back and bite you hard in one way or another.

The only people who will benefit from this are young adults with no criminal backgrounds so don't be afraid. I hope i get approved for this, after 13 years of working as a dog and feeling like an outsider, i feel like i can be part of this country, and it feels good. Why don't you people be happy when other people are people??? Does other people's suffering makes you happy?

America is a big country my friends, there is a piece of pie for everyone so don't be afraid that if someone gets a piece of that pie then there is nothing left for you. if you really wants a piece of pie go out there and get it and stop complaining and stop fighting each other.

Peace, love, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. God Bless.

deadbeat,

I am fortunately a working Texan, not like you, a non contributing member of society. (Or is that not what your name implies)

Ship em all out and the deadbeat prez too. Or better yet you support them, I'm tired of it. Hell, I'll donate my vacation days and help build that damn border wall, then happily contribute $5.00 per week to electrify it.

ok fine let the illegal kids stay...SEND THEIR ILLEGAL PARENTS BACK TO WHERE EVER THEY CAME FROM.

This is the perfect set-up, as once these illegals apply for the pseudo-amnesty from deportation their addresses, pictures and contact information will be on file.

Once the regime change occurs in November the Romney admin will order these illegals to voluntarily deport, and if not, then evict them from the USA.

albikik,

Do you think its okay for people to enter anothers country, take jobs away from tax paying citizens, steal benefits such as health care, schools, SS, and welfare? Benefits that illegals have not paid into. You think that okay and that everyone should just stop being hateful? Interesting take you have. Name me one other country that illegals can go to and steal the benefits of the the citizens that have worked their entire lives to provide. This is not a welfare country, the moto is not give us your sick and your poor and we will cover the bill for them and they can screw over hard working US citizens.

I have no problem with anyone trying be a legal United States Citizen. But I have to voice my extreme displeasure at those trying to be here legally knowing they are here illegally in the first place. To me it is like robbing a bank, when you do it, you know that you just broke the law. Then you sit in hiding waiting for bank robbery to become legal....... And to top it all off, the illegal immigrants" bank robbers " expect others to learn their language in order to appease them while they spend the stolen money.

Why can't we deport some of these thugs who can't read or write or pull their pants up high enough to hide their underwear. They are the real drag on our economy.

I think I'd rather have these kids as citizens that will appreciate living here and be good upstanding citizens than some of the delinquent brats we have running rampant throughout the country that were just lucky enough to be born here.

A-FREAKIN-MEN. In some aspects, illegal immigrants who are like Yelki don't take for granted the opportunities provided for them here that, I assume, they couldn't get from wherever it is they came from. Their hunger for "the American dream" is immense.

They show the most sincere patriotism for this country, they definitely would be more better upstanding citizens, than most natural born citizens. It pisses me off that such promise is trying to be deferred by hypocrites who constantly preach their crap about anyone can have the "freedoms" of "the American dream" yet refuse to cooperate and rather deport than come to an agreement with illegals whose SOLE crime was being too young to know and understand they were breaking laws.

Joe said:

I would rather round them up and put them in a labor camp.

Criminals should serve the citizens of this country with hard labor.

But they aren't 'criminals'. In order to prove a crime you have to prove intent. You can't prove a child INTENDED to commit a crime just because their parents brought them here.

Jeff said:

All of these illegals getting free ride they don't deserve so that scumbagh Obama can try to be reelected have been here long enough to try to make things right legally. They chose not to and should be sent home.

There is no way to 'make things right legally' once you're here, not undercurrent immigration laws.

Example: My coworker's mother was deported two days before Christmas last year--she was adopted as an infant from Germany in 1945 and Immigration at the time never told her parents that citizenship wasn't automatic with adoption. 60+ years later the government finds out their own mistake but instead of allowing her to file paper work to correct it, they deport her and she will have to live in Germany for 10 years before her son (my coworker) can apply for her to come back. He hopes she will be back by her 80th birthday. In the meantime she is in a foreign country in which she does not speak the language and as all of her possessions and bank accounts were seized upon her deportation as 'civil asset forfeiture' my coworker is sending her money so she can manage to live.

So, she comes at 13 and would be an adult at 18 and Obama considers that most of her life. well, maybe my 12 year old wants to be a surgeon, but we probably won't be able to afford that because our government is paying for the education of foreigners!!!! What is fair about that? Did you also notice she admits to being paid $300 a week under the table!!!!!!! It makes me sick.

There are lots of U.S. citizens that have dreams, but we are overrun by those making our lives a nightmare!

Let the INFLUX of Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) commence. I am so sure Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) can come up with the "proper" paperwork AFTER they jump the fence later than Wednesday.

Thanks to Mr. Obama's DHS "new" regulation bypassing Congressional procedures, there will now be more Social handouts coming. What a way to get votes.

Think it was bad BEFORE Mr. Obama directed this to happen, just wait and see how much the increase in American taxpayer dollars will be handed out to these ADDITIONAL Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) to support their "extended" families, education, and everything else they can think of.

Roger, the illegals don't even bother hiding. One step further, the bank robbers hold the money, give it to their children and then are outraged that the kids can't have/use the illegal money. After all, the kids did nothing wrong, why shouldn't they be able to enjoy what the parent obtained illegally?

BTW, At least with the bank robbers there is just the one crime. With illegals its a package deal. Entering illegally, identity theft, working illegally, fraud, driving illegally, no insurance, gang participation, violence, drug and human smuggling.

"Immigrant youth seek legal status"

That's MSN for you. It should read "illegal immigrant wants special treatment, including jumping in line ahead of others who played by the rules, to gain legal status".

WE know what a con game your word games are MSNBC, MSN. Your not fooling anyone. We know you're the foghorn for the biased liberal media establishment.

I'm a Democrat and I don't believe in this. They are not suppose to be here it's called illegal for a reason.

albkik - The only people who will benefit from this are young adults with no criminal backgrounds so don't be afraid.

LOL. albkik, From this part of the Article WHAT LOCAL, CITY, STATE, FEDERAL (Felony Crime) Laws were violated that Illegal Alien Yelky Perez admitted to:

But there have also been lows, too. Though Perez said she knew she was coming illegally, she had no idea the challenges she would face: an inability to pick up mail in one's name at the post office, how hard it can be to get paid a decent wage, and the difficulty of obtaining a government-issued identification.

Note: It is KNOWN (From Self Incrimination of Illegal Aliens) that most Illegal Aliens AND their Illegal Alien Children HAVE (Past Tense) Committed FELONY CRIMES repeatedly during the numbers of years they have been at the US ILLEGALLY. (Before you say it, I know Violating the Federal Immigration Laws are not Felony Crimes, and should be, so the Felony Crimes that Illegal Aliens Commit are other Federal, State, City, Local US Laws (not US Federal Immigration Laws)).

But all of you know that don't you (which US Federal Laws they are violating other than the US Immigration Laws), if you knew then you would be demanding that ALL the Illegal Aliens are either Prosecuted (Felony Crimes) and or Thrown Out of the US.

This story just evidences the fact that granting rewards and special treatment for immigration lawbreaking only serves to further incentivize and embolden exponentially more immigration lawbreaking (like Reagan's 1986 amnesty). Just take a moment to reflect upon the warped disposition of Ms. Perez who believes that she is entitled to break our laws, profit by doing so, and jump right ahead of those who are respectfully trying to immigrate legally!!! Here is a brief excerpt:

It's been quite an experience. I did sometimes kind of feel like, 'Oh, why me?' and I would get depressed and cry. I used to cry a lot. Not anymore," she said.

Although Ms. Perez's predicament is entirely of her own making and SHE BROKE OUR LAWS, she feels victimized and entitled to receive rewards and special treatment incident to her lawbreaking! Disgusting! And her despicable father--- ALSO HERE ILLEGALLY--- also feels that our laws don't apply to him! This Administration is emboldening these insufferable ILLEGALS to have a sense of entitlement to profit by way of their LAWBREAKING!

Any politician pandering to grant rewards and special treatment for ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS should LOSE Election 2012. I am a life-long Democrat, and I will not vote for Obama as a result of his amnesty objectives. How insulting for LEGAL IMMIGRANTS (like #1.24), who waited the wait, paid a high price, and went through a background check to see this Administration grant rewards and special treatment to the LAWBREAKERS!

A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!

Mark this: Is nothing "illegal" to come to america whenever you want as long as America is going anywhere whenever it pleases.

"Perez, a college graduate who earns $300 for her 45-hour work weeks at an under-the-table job at a publishing firm".

If not breaking the law is a requirement for entry she apparently doesn't qualify. Send her home.

Olivia Forever said:

So, legal Americans should have an I.Q. test by your reasoning to be allowed to continue to stay in our own home. I think people who think as you do should just leave our country.

I've heard people say natural born Americans shouldn't have to take the citizenship test/Oath of citizenship.

What puzzles me is why you wouldn't want to. Here is the Oath:

The Oath of Allegiance to the
United States of America

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all
allegiances and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or
sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;

That I will support and defend the Constitution and the laws of the United States of
America against all enemies, foreign and domestic;

That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;

That I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law;

That I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States
when required by law;

That I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when
required by law; and

That I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of
evasion; so help me God.

Being born an American citizen doesn't, shouldn't, absolve you of any responsibility associated with being a citizen. As a citizen shouldn't you want to swear allegiance to your country? Shouldn't you want to take up arms to protect your homeland if threatened? Along with the benefits of being a citizen like bearing arms, free speech, the freedom to worship whatever God/Goddess you choose, shouldn't you want to serve in a jury, perform other civic duties, etc?

There are plenty of people who enjoy the benefits of being a citizen but try to duck out of the responsibilities like voting and jury duty and taxes (especially jury!)

So we're going to teach teens that's it's okay to break US law to pursue your dreams? Isn't that totally against societal teachings?

I just love how the main stream media forgets to use the word "illegal" in front of the word "immigrant".

You got to love the piece of shi! Obama. Instead of protecting AMERICANS and helping AMERICANS get jobs and an education, he's planning on enslaving another race! The black race in America is suffering the most under Democrat rule, vastly more then any other race period. Now, The Genius In Chief wants to do that to the hispanic race. First by doing what Obama does best, pandering and giving away money, of course not HIS money but the evil tax payers dough. History will be the judge.

Since when does successfully getting away with breaking a law for a few years make you exempt from that law?

I drive well over the speed limit everywhere I go, and I have for years. I should be exempted from speed limits.

Until I get my special "speeding allowed" license, we need to send every single illegal we find, back home.

There are thousands of people waiting to enter this country legally. Allowing people who came illegally to stay is a slap in the face to every one of them.

This isn't about being fair to people. This is about Obama buying the latino vote by giving mexicans who came here illegally special privileges over people who follow the rules.

But really, that is the democrat way. I followed the rules. I went to college. I didn't have kids before I could afford them. Now I pay taxes while my lazy welfare mom sister collects more of a refund than she pays.

**The Nightmare Act: I haven't seen any mention of chain migration on here yet so here goes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_migration

**The current effects of chain migration in the United States:

In the United States, the term 'chain migration' is used to partially explain why legal immigration has quadrupled from levels during the 1960's. As such, "chain migration" is held up as one of the causes of the United States' current illegal immigrant population boom.

Family reunification allows U.S. citizens and immigrants (Lawful Permanent Resident or "Green card" holders) to petition for visas for their immediate relatives. Until the late 1950's, America's family reunification policies included only spouses and minor children of immigrants. However, since that time, family reunification policies of the United States have included the ability of immigrants to sponsor not only their minor children and spouses, but also their parents, siblings, and adult children.

According to the theory of 'chain migration' as applied to immigrants to the United States, subsequent immigrant Lawful Permanent Resident parents and adult children can, in turn, sponsor their other children, parents, etc., thus representing a chain of immigrants following the first family member into the country. In practice, however, the wait times from when the petition is filed until the adult relative is able to enter the U.S. can be as long as 15–20 years (as of 2006). This is a result of backlogs in obtaining a visa number and visa number quotas that only allow 226,000 family-based visas to be issued annually.

**There are four family-based preference levels:

First: Unmarried Sons and Daughters of Citizens: 23,400 plus any numbers not required for fourth preference.

Second: Spouses and Children, and Unmarried Sons and Daughters of Permanent Residents: 114,200, plus the number (if any) by which the worldwide family preference level exceeds 226,000, and any unused first preference numbers:

A. Spouses and Children: 77% of the overall second preference limitation, of which 75% are exempt from the per-country limit;

B. Unmarried Sons and Daughters (21 years of age or older): 23% of the overall second preference limitation.

Third: Married Sons and Daughters of Citizens: 23,400, plus any numbers not required by first and second preferences.

Fourth: Brothers and Sisters of Adult Citizens: 65,000, plus any numbers not required by first three preferences.

Backlogs in obtaining visa numbers range from four-and-a-half years (for preference level 2A) to 23-years (for preference level 4 immigrants from the Philippines).

While some backlogs have remained relatively steady for some time, since 1995, backlogs for other family-sponsored preferences have steadily increased. For first preference, adult children of U.S. citizens, for instance, the backlog for a visa number has increased from zero in 1995 to over 6½ years today.

**You think there are problems with SSI now just wait until the chain migration illegal immigrants start collecting SSI that they didn't put into their entire lives. All they need to do is work 40 quarters and they'll be stealing yours and mine SSI without putting into it for their entire lives, like we all did. I don't think that's very fair now do you??: http://www.cis.org/golden-years-deficit-reduction-immigration

Love all the closed comments above ....

Ah, censorship, the republican way....

paramed said:

With illegals its a package deal. Entering illegally, identity theft, working illegally, fraud, driving illegally, no insurance, gang participation, violence, drug and human smuggling.

Not all 'illegals' engage in the activities you mentioned. Many of those the government deems 'illegal' didn't even come here illegally. See the below from an Associated Press article:

An official Immigration and Customs Enforcement database, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, showed a U.S. detainee population of exactly 32,000 on the evening of Jan. 25.

The data show that 18,690 immigrants had no criminal conviction, not even for illegal entry or low-level crimes like trespassing. Substantial numbers of detainees, from 177 countries in the data provided, are not illegal immigrants at all. Many of the longest-term non-criminal detainees are asylum seekers fighting to stay here because they fear being killed in their home country. Others are longtime residents who may be eligible to stay under other criteria, or whose applications for permanent residency were lost or mishandled, the lawyers say.

'Illegal' is an arbitrary designation the government can apply at will. There are many USCs who have been detained/deported due to errors.

Rennison Castillo, a Washington state man who was born in Belize but took his oath of citizenship while serving in the U.S. Army in 1998, spent seven months in an ICE prison in 2006. Castillo, 33, of Lakewood, came to the United States at age 6 and later became a permanent lawful resident. He was sworn in as a citizen during his seven-year stint in the Army, which ended with his honorable discharge in 2003.

Lack of proper training of immigration inspectors resulted in their mistaken conclusion that Sharon McKnight’s passport was fraudulent. McKnight spent eight days in Jamaica before returning to New York. While there, her luggage, containing all her money, was stolen. Airport workers contributed money so she could reach family members. Once there, her mother flew to Jamaica from New York to take her case to the US consulate in Kingston. With the help of Rep. Michael Forbes (D-NY), consulate officials determined that the passport and birth certificate, which immigration officials had declared fraudulent, were in fact real, and established McKnight’s US citizenship.

When Angela Boneva, a 34 year old went to renew her passport in 2003, the State Department told her she was no longer a citizen. Boneva's father was born in Indiana, and the US consulate in Bulgaria gave her U.S. citizenship while she was growing up in Bulgaria in 1981.The State Department said that an employee at the consulate broke a rule that required her father to have lived in the U.S. for 10 years before she was born, the Tribune reported. Her father had only lived in the U.S. for six years before moving to Bulgaria.

During the recent DOJ hearings on the AZ immigration laws, a Homeland Security spokesperson said that there is no national database of who is and is not a citizen, and the only way to conclusively prove you are a citizen is through the passport registration system. The state department says that only about 117 million Americans have a passport--38% of America. So how do the other 64% expect to be able to prove citizenship? Passports aren't cheap, and for some--like me, who has no original birth certificate--it's impossible to obtain.

You don't necessarily have to actually have come here illegally oto be considered 'illegal'. All the governmeent has to do is suspect you of being illegal and YOU have to prove you aren't, while sitting in deportation. ICE and USCIS is not required to check on a person's claim to citizenship--you're guilty until you prove you aren't.

The students in this article, their parents and siblings should be kicked back to their home country. They are felons and deserve to be treated as such and by knowingly and willingly breaking our laws they do not deserve to remain in this country. O'Bama, Pelosi and those that give aid and comfort to those breaking U.S. Law should be arrested and prosecuted for encouraging and supporting those that knowingly violate our laws. If they really want to become U.S. Citizens, they can accomplish this Legally just like thousands of Immigrants do every year. I believe there will be a time in the near future where Legal U.S. Citizens will be forced to neutralize and remove the Illegals themselves at whatever the cost to the Illegals.

Who says they are all liberals being closed. Could be all conservatives being closed. Just love how you lying liberals will say something you have no facts for and make it look like repub's. are doing it.

By the way Republicans at least allow everyone to have their say. Democrats and the liberals have done nothing but Demonize anyone who has a different opinion

As far as Amnesty for these kids. We will not deport their parents Obama will find some way to give them legal status as well even if its against the law.

TheWhiteJudge - You mean her illegal family? Come on you liberals can say it ILLEGAL. And she hopes to be a surgeon. Great. And Obama knows she will be a Democrat, thats the point idiot, buying votes. Name another country in the world that allows this?

Why is it when the USA wishes to enforce its laws that she is made out to be the villian and the illegal immigrants are the poor victims?

Love how a few of those left leaning loonys consider my child, who's grades consists of "A's " and "B's" and on the college tract 'WORTHLESS'. He's not even abnormal in his school, just typical.

Gotta say 'your comments' are worthless!

Deport, don't support. I don't care if illegals come as babies, to old age, DEPORT THEM ALL. As long as we have Americans who are on welfare, unemployed or in jails and prisons (they can be made to go to work and pay for themselves), we don't need illegals, for any reason. They should go home and clean up their own countries.

All of the people that are making remarks against the people who are against giving the illegals amnesty DO NOT LIVE ON THE BORDERS. They live in the center of the cuusy no illegals around US!

Matt--you know, your first sentence cancels itself out. These are NOT kids who will be 'good upstanding citizens.' They are kids who have been taught their whole life that it is OK to lie and cheat in order to obtain whatever YOU want in life, and never mind the law of the land.

And that is no different than an American kid who is dead beat. Except for one thing. The American didn't START out by breaking the law as the first thing they did when they got here.

pjam09....

Since you hate brown people so much, I recommend Greenland or Antarctica...

It's utterly ridiculous that legal immigrants like Green Card holders are held to different standards than illegal immigrants. If you slip up as a Green Card holder, you face deportation, but illegal immigrants are welcome to break the law in order to stay? Give me a break...

This is absolutely SICK!! Take note of all the far lefties--your comments have minimal "likes--take note of all the far righties--their comments have over ten times the amount of "likes". Lets let America make the decision and judging by all the likes on the righties comments we should deport their sorry illegal @$$es and focus on taking care or our own LEGAL citizens!! Why do all you whiney @$$ &!tche$ care more about people who dont give a damn about you or America than you do about yourselves? Lets throw all the Americans who built this country under the bus so we can make room for the rest of the world...SICK!!! This illegal makes more money than I do a week and shes here illegally, wtf! I have a Masters Degree, paid my dues, now waiting to reap the benefits but Obama and the rest of you libs wont let me because its not fair, BLOW ME! Btw, thats a nice picture of a 13 year old Mexi, why is it in this article when she is 20? Oh yeah thats right, trying to trick the world into having sympathy for a child when shes an adult. I have an idea...lets round up all the illegals, all the cry baby leftist liberals, every who is on welfare, everyone who has no job because theyre too lazy to get one and figure everyone else will pay for their life, and anyone else who falls into that same general category...split the country in half and build a giant wall like the Great Wall of China or the Berlin Wall, and form two separate governments. You pu$$y @$$e$ will be so overcrowded, broke, starved, disease stricken and dead within a month while the rest of us prosper now that we dont have to take care of you. Then after all your bodies rot away and turn back to dust, us survivors will tear down the wall and take back the land that is ours...would be the greatest day in history!! Oh and lets not forget the comment Obama made a few months ago under his breath after a press conference when he thought his microphone was off... "I'll be able to do a lot more after November when I don't have to worry about getting re-elected". So he needs the Latino vote to get re-elected so that he can really RAPE America afterward. COMMUNIST!

Hey, Deadbeat Texan, (comment 1.9) interesting you mention useful idiot's, here is an article that talks about liberals in America being the "useful idiot's" of the communist party.

frontpagemag.com/2012/jamie-glazov/the-communist-frank-marshall-davis-the-untold-story-of-barack-obama%e2%80%99s-mentor/#.UCFsCf-wtUG.twitter

@Amanda

Did you read the article? It says she came over here illegally to REJOIN her parents. By herself. No one brought her here.

Get you pitchforks fellas were gonna have to have a revolution !!!

Democrat:

Their view of 'Freedom' is .............

a country full of USEFUL IDIOTS, such as: Country Red Necks, Trailer Park Trash, Low Life's, D-bags and Poorly Educated IMBECILES Goose Stepping in Lock Step to every Sound Byte their 'Private Sector' Ministry of Propaganda (The FAUX NOIZE Network, Lush, Boortz, Fatbo and Beckerhead) spews out.....

I'm sorry, did you say you're educated, that you're a decent person, that you have a good job and you donate to the poor and to charities seeking to cure cancer, AIDS, Herpes, and a host of other diseases?
You would never be able to determine that from the absolute ignorance of your post. In fact, I'd go so far as to say you're a brainwashed child pretending to be an adult that knows something when in fact you've done nothing but repeat the ignorant filth you were told to. If you knew anything, anything at all, you'd realize you just described your own political masters to a T. If you don't believe it, you can look at any and all media outlets to see for yourself; they're all run by liberal democrats, even your hated "Faux Noize" which you never have listened to or watched beyond the editted clips you see on your "Progressive" websites.
You poor unevolved monkey. I pity you. Why don't you do something good for another human being before you proceed to judge others trying to save an entire country from deluded idiots like yourself who think Freedom is Government Control?

why were these comments collapsed...

Kevin Q:

chain migration...

You do realize that even if the child legally sponsors their relative in, that relative still has to pass the background checks, screenings, pay all the fees, (currently about $6000 per person) and wait for their paperwork to be processed--according to the figures you quoted, as long as 23 years.

Also, some countries don't have an open immigration policy--China, for example, is not going to let one of their highly-placed politicians leave just because the child, who attended medical school here, sponsors their parent into the US. The emigrating country can refuse to allow their citizen to emigrate, even going so far as to place criminal incidents in a background check that never happened to keep the person from passing a USCIS background check.

For someone trying to sponsor a grandparent or great grandparent in, that may be never as the grandparent (and great grandparent) is likely to be dead by the time their paperwork gets to the front of the line....

just wait until the chain migration illegal immigrants start collecting SSI that they didn't put into their entire lives. All they need to do is work 40 quarters and they'll be stealing yours and mine SSI without putting into it for their entire lives, like we all did.

When someone receives official permission to come to the country to work or with the goal of becoming a permanent resident or citizen (foreign students attending colleges here cannot work and must take unpaid internships in order to fulfill education/ degree requirements) they are issued ITIN numbers. These work just like a social security and employers are required to withold the appropriate amount of taxes. Therefore, yes, legal immigrants do pay taxes and even those who overstay their visas/permissions as long as they continue to give that ITIN number to an employer, will continue to withold taxes.

As there is now a movement to run the Social Security Administration's numbers through eVerify, the number of social security numbers that have multiple people using them and filing taxes under--is going to drop dramatically.

it's great how we get to pick and choose which laws are okay to break and which aren't.

argumentative but fair said:

Did you read the article? It says she came over here illegally to REJOIN her parents. By herself. No one brought her here.

When I first read the article, it didn't say that. They've updated the article as I was posting, but their update directly contradicts this paragraph, from further down the article:

Perez’s father, Julio, said he brought Yelky and her brother, now 23, to the U.S. with hopes of a better education and a better future (his oldest daughter came on a humanitarian visa; his common-law wife is also from the Dominican Republic and doesn't have legal status, Perez said).

The comments are collapsed because MSN doesn't like debate (doesn't matter which side you fall on either), which is what those commenter were doing. MSN seems to only like posts that fit 'their' agenda, and nothing else. They've been doing this type of attacks for a few weeks now.

Welcome to "Idiocracy"...the dumber the better.

It's "Adopt an Illegal Day". For all you liberals who think these illegals have done nothing wrong, I strongly suggest each of you adopt one, maybe two, and become completely financially responsible for them all by yourself. That means you pay out of your own pocket for ALL their needs, including, but not limited to education, medical, clothing, shelter, social services, uses of the judicial system, EVERYTHING that costs money. You may not use any "free" services, such as education, medicaid, court-appointed attorney, emergency room, food stamps, WIC, housing and utility assistance, TANF, free cell phone, etc., etc., etc. If you put YOUR money where your mouth is, you will quickly see what a financial drain these illegals are. We the Taxpaying People are freaking tired of it.

If you are currently receiving ANY form of governmental assistance yourself, you, then have no voice, because you have no skin in the game. It's just too easy to spend someone else's money. Spend your own - you know the money YOU worked for and saved.

As for the argument that these kids were brought here by their parents when they were young and shouldn't be punished because of what their parents did, well, guess what? WE ALL suffer the sins of our fathers in one way or another. If my dad gambled all the money for college my grandmother had saved for me, who suffers his misdeeds? Me. If my mother is a drug addled prostitute and passes AIDS on to me at birth, who suffers? Me. If my parents are murderers and go to prison for life, who is shuttled between one foster home to another? Me.

The illegals came to this country with their children knowing they were breaking the law. No one can say the illegals didn't know that. If they didn't want their familty broken up, the stay home. They come here anyway and then weep and wail when it does. Guess they really did not want what was best for their children or else they think they are above the law.

As for wanting a better life for their children, what's the difference between that and a parent who steals clothes for their child because they want them to have a better life? Or steals an IPad or Smartphone, etc. because they want their child to have what the other children have??? Taking assistance from the government and using the entire array of services, overburdening our hospitals, schools, and law enforcement and judicial systems is stealing from We the Taxpaying People.

Further, if one illegal gets granted amnesty, the floodgates open and that translates into another 20-40 mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, cousins, per illegal and then their mothers, fathers, brothers, etc. until the whole uneducated, often illiterate, non-English speaking village is here who cannot support themselves. They live in their communities, refuse to learn our language and mainstream and demand - yes demand - that we conform to them. The height of arrogance.

The Obama administration is patently corrupt and particularly offensive to those who came here legally. Those people are welcomed with open arms. They are the people who worked hard, followed the rules, learned the language, mainstreamed into our society, and under the older rules, were in general educated. If the US doesn't do something quickly to stem this tide, the US is destined to become a third world country.

There are no free passes for breaking the law.

We have to start to fix this now! I would vote for any president that would actually do what they say they will do and if they do not come through then they are kicked out of office period, I'm tired of all there lies. From both parties.

Fines and or jail time (or both) for any business that gives a job to any person that doesn't have a green card or proof of legally being in the county. To find the US employers that are giving jobs to these illegal aliens we should start a program where it will pay a person Sort of like a bounty) who turns in the business that gave the illegal a job. The bounty fees paid out will come from the fines that that business will be paying for hiring an illegal in the first place. These illegal aliens are making there money under the table and through stolen social security cards so anything we can do to nip this in the bud will help and its a start.
I am all for anyone from any country that comes here through the proper and legal way.

Our government should hire a lot more people to process all the people who are trying to immigrate into the US, The time frame of waiting years to get a green card is wrong and that is why a a lot of these people go the illegal way. It shouldn't take more than maybe 6 months to be properly processed one way or the other and good paying jobs would be created by hiring people to do the processing here in the US.

Our borders need to be protected at all costs! The drug dealers and any other illegal activity along our borders need to be stopped as well.
Our immigration laws need to be followed fully just like other countries do, if we did the same thing as say Mexico does in regards to illegals then 99% of this problem would go away!
Anyone who hasn't looked should see what Mexico does to an illegal alien down there!

The US and its elected officials are a laughing stock of the free world when it comes to immigration and we should be the leaders we once were.

The people of the United States need to find a way to get all the elected officials out of office that are NOT following the laws and constitution of the US, This goes for all political parties!

We need people in government that believe in its own people first, everyone else is second period. We need to take care of our own before anyone else.

Any and all illegal aliens are to deported asap and then they can start the proper way to immigrate to our fine country but NOT while they are in this country illegally!

Maybe my answer to all of this isn't a 100 percent but its an attempt at a good start. I have no problem with anyone's nationality as long as they come here the proper and legal way.

Nirvash said;

it's great how we get to pick and choose which laws are okay to break and which aren't.

Yep.

In my municipality there's a law on the books (been there sine the late 1800's) that prohibits cursing in public. To my knowledge that law has never been followed or enforced, not even by our cops and lawmakers.

There's also a law about no bikes on the sidewalk. I got a ticket for riding my bike on the sidewalk to avoid a pothole--but the cops ride their bikes n the sidewalk all the time.

There's a law about not crossing the street except at designated crosswalks and only when the walk light is on. Betcha you know people who've broken that.

Amanda-2017567: When someone receives official permission to come to the country to work or with the goal of becoming a permanent resident or citizen (foreign students attending colleges here cannot work and must take unpaid internships in order to fulfill education/ degree requirements) they are issued ITIN numbers. These work just like a social security and employers are required to withold the appropriate amount of taxes. Therefore, yes, legal immigrants do pay taxes and even those who overstay their visas/permissions as long as they continue to give that ITIN number to an employer, will continue to withold taxes.

As there is now a movement to run the Social Security Administration's numbers through eVerify, the number of social security numbers that have multiple people using them and filing taxes under--is going to drop dramatically.

The question confuses the Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program with Social Security. SSI is a federal welfare program and no contributions, from immigrants or citizens or anyone else, is required for eligibility. Under certain conditions, immigrants can qualify for SSI benefits. I have a friend of mine from Mexico who has a US green card. He had polio as a child and when he finally got his green card SSI contacted him about his disability and what he's entitled to. He gets a monthly payment of $650 a month in addition to what he makes working part-time. Come back when you know what you're talking about. http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html

Amanda, You must not have been in this country right after the Vietnam War ended otherwise you would have remembered the war refugees coming to the US during Operation New Life and Baby Lift, of which I participated in as part of an aircrew on US Air Force C-141 aircraft flying these missions. The refugees were paid SSI until they were able to find work and intergrate into society. The older people were paid SSI for the rest of their lives without having to pay into the system. So when you hear people like me complaining about mass illegal immigration the above and Reagan's Amnesty in 1986 is what we know of. Both ended up costing this country alot of taxpayers money that was never reimbursed by those using the money and benefits afforded them.

What is funny is that my wife's company has had an opening for over 3 months. The ONLY person to apply was an illegal. Not one legal citizen has applied... not a single god damn one. So they still have not filled the position, and it has been open for 3 months.

Way I see it, if no legal citizen wants the job, f*** it... give it to the illegal. Obviously none of you want to do the job.

But no, all I hear is complaints that "they took our jobs". Well here is a job waiting for a legal citizen. It has been open for three GOD DAMN months. So where are your applications? Where are all the legal citizens that cry about illegals? Oh that's right, they want some OTHER legal citizen to take the job, but they never do it themselves.

Frankly, I have a hard time buying the message your selling...However...

How much is your wife's company paying, in relation to education and experience? Does it come with benefits? Under what conditions is the company expecting the potential employee to perform under? Is it a time restricted job that use to be held by three employees and the company now expect just one to complete it in less time, profits you know... Is it physically punishing, with long hours at minimum wage, and no medical?...tell us more about this job...

There are no jobs 'American's' aren't willing to do, but most American's don't want to do them for peanuts, with no benefits either.

@Amanda Ok fine, sorry. My mistake.

But let's address your previous argument and pretend she was brought here by her parents. At age 13 she was old enough just to say "no, I'm not going". She could have contacted the Mexican authorities. And if her parents some how forced her to come, even though she should be old enough to get away and report them, all she would have to do is walk into the nearest police station and say "My parents brought me here against my will. This is where they live. Can you please send us back home?" She was old enough to have a choice even if it was her parents who brought her here.

Anyone else find it interesting that Joe gets suspended for what he said but Reality-Based can say something like "To make room for these educated immigrants that are willing to work hard, I say we give the standard citizenship test to all the rednecks here that are complaining about illegal immigrants. If they flunk the test, out!" and not get banned? Anyone else find it interesting that liberals can call conservatives "Nazis" and "bigots" and "haters", they can insult Christianity and Mormonism, they can stereotype everyone who doesn't agree with them as rednecks running around with guns, and yet hardly ever get suspended?

Angela,

What does it matter? If Americans are not willing to do it because it is part time and the graveyard shift, the job is still there... someone still needs to do it. It pays the same as the daytime shift, and generally attracts young people because of the type of job. (Think easy college job, if that helps.) The hitch, the shift is Friday and Saturday night. So all the college kids that work the daytime shift don't want to give up their "party nights" (actual quote from them).

So I have no problem with illegals, because I have three months of proof that Americans won't work certain jobs. So I won't jump on to the GOP bandwagon of blaming illegals, when these Republicans are too god damn entitled to work certain jobs. They think that because their mother squatted down and crapped them out on American soil, somehow they are special or more important. F*** that.

Can't believe a hateful comment like Give It a Rest's is the top voted on here... just awful. This child is wanting and willing to become a legal citizen and apply herself and you and over a hundred others are putting her down. I'd like to see you say that to her face. I bet you would to because the coldness of your comment makes you out to be a very heartless person.

Before any of you liberal haters call me a racist xenophobe I will let you know that I am married to a lovely, Russian woman, who immigrated hear LEGALLY about 10 years ago. It cost thousands of dollars and countless hours of dealing with government bureaucrats. My question is this: Why should individuals who have blatantly violated U.S. federal and individual state laws be given more than what my wife was granted? She had to go through an extensive background check, an invasive medical check, and could not be on any form of welfare for the first five years she was in this country. How much money is being spent to feed, house, and provide medical care for these illegal immigrants?

Before you try to give me a hard time about my wife, I just want to let you know that she earned an advanced nursing degree in a language not her own! She started working the day that her employment authorization was approved. In fact, she has worked continuously since that day! She and my step-daughter, are immigrants who have done their best to be productive citizens in this great country and also are supporters of LEGAL immigration based on ability and skills and not on who these individuals are likely to vote for when they are "granted" citizenship in the future!

I believe that this country needs wide doors, but, tall walls in order to keep the undesirables (Criminals, drug addicts, child molesters, etc) out of this country. It is IMPOSSIBLE to keep these individuals out if we cannot expel any of them because of their race or national origin makes them "victims"!

Also, this country needs to have a guest worker program to bring in people to do the jobs that most Americans just do not want to do! This includes many farm jobs. These workers need to have decent housing while in the U.S. and also have basic health care paid for by the companies who hire them. This will reduce the strain on our medical system and give a more humane treatment to these workers. They also must LEAVE at the end of their employment or be deported with no hope of ever returning.

We also need to stop keeping highly qualified engineers, and medical professionals out of our country just because they are not hispanic! There is a huge surplus of qualified engineers in Eastern Europe and a large shortfall in this country. This sounds simple, but, our politicians have limited these immigration possibilities to the very people who could help rebuild our country. The reason: They are caucasian! We need controlled immigration, but, we also need our laws to be respected; period!!!!!

The Constitution forbids hiring one. Why would I outsource the few jobs I have to offer?

Criminal is as criminal does.

Thank you, President Obama!!

All illegals DESERVE

• Free Education
• Free Health Care
• Free Food Stamps
• Free Welfare Benefits

It is their RIGHT and The Obama shall grant it to them.

Hmmm...perhaps it's not free afterall? Perhaps taxpayers provide it?

But who cares. They deserve it and The Obama shall grant it to them.

We LOVE The Obama.

He gives the illegals what they are entitled to and gives the taxpayers the bill.

She had 7 years and couldn't find time to put in for citizenship? Throw her back.

Oh please, I still don't buy what you're selling.

I'm a nurse, we all work third shift, 12 hours, weekends, holidays and part time.
You are full of BS...

You 'work' with illegals because you don't have to pay them well, give raises, health insurance, retirements or anything else. You can threaten to fire them, at will....YOU are a significant part of the problem, and I hope that some candidate, I could care less what party they affiliate with, hits you in your pocket book and finds you!

Yikes, misspelling ***Fines***

Angela LD, if you're talking to me, I don't care what you buy. She didn't want citizenship, she wanted amnesty, and thanks to Jug-head, she got it. She had plenty of time for everything else in her life, just not enough time to become an American citizen. If you're not talking to me, I apologize.

She is college educated even though she is ILLEGAL? Hummm HOW DID SHE GET A COLLEGE EDUCATION MAKING $300 a week OFF THE BOOKS? I bet you the American Taxpayers PAID THAT BILL via Tap and Pell. I am ALL FOR people Immigrating to this country. This country was built by the hands of immigrants. But there was a reason we established rules because we weren't just getting other countries tired and poor(Of which we have reached the ceiling with our OWN) we were getting their deliquents and criminals too aka OTHER PEOPLE'S PROBLEMS. We also had enough people in this country population wise. Now with that being said I'm all for immigrating if YOU WAIT YOUR A$$ IN LINE THE PROPER WAY JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WHO CAME AND IMMIGRATED BEFORE YOU. I am so tired of hearing everybody's sob story when you have PLENTY of AMERICANS right here @ HOME who have sob stories of their OWN. My mother always taught me to TAke CARE OF HOME BEFORE I GO AND CLEAN OTHER PEOPLE'S HOUSE & THATS EXACTLY WHAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDS TO DO BEFORE IT HANDS ANYONE ELSE A FREEBIE TOWARDS GETTING A JOB. And to the one above who said there is enough pie for EVERYONE. HAVE YOU TAKEN A LOOK AT THE AMERICAN ECONOMY AS OF LATE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT PIE YOUR TALKING ABOUT BUT THERE ISN'T ENOUGH AT THE MOMENT TO GO AROUND SO HOW ABOUT FEEDING THE OWNERS OF THE HOUSE AND IF AFTER WE ALL EAT THERE IS ENOUGH PIE FOR YOU THE GUEST YOUR WELCOME TO HAVE AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE.

LIKE I TELL SOME OF MY FRIENDS AND CO-WORKERS WHO ARE IMMIGRANTS, IF $HIT HITS THE FAN OR ANYTIME YOU FEEL YOU CAN GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY WITH WHAT YOU'VE MADE THUS FAR AND LIVE LIKE A ROYALTY FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, I ON THE OTHER HAND DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION. I WILL GET OLD AND DIE HERE BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY COUNTRY I KNOW. I WAS BORN HERE AND WILL DIE HERE.

NO SYSTEM IS PERFECT BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS NONE THE LESS. RESPECT OUR LAWS AND OBEY THEM WHICH MEANS COME HERE HONESTLY!

Cute girl, BUT the answer is NO NO NO. We need to make sure who is President in November will listen to the majority of the citizens.

What kind of family would abandon a teenage girl? So she figures to enter the U.S. illegally to find the disfunctional family that ditched her? Sounds like a calculated risk if you ask me, just another full grown "anchor baby wanna be", that realized she can't live the lie that her parents taught her! Kick her parents a$$ out and hold her until she has made restitution on every nickel her parents glommed from the tax payers. She does that and I think her half hearted,"whats the big deal? there are to many of us you can't stop us all", mentallity can be reconsidered for citizenship. She doesn't realize nor care about the immigrants that are trying to make it legally in this country that people like her and her f---ed family are bringing down. Let her make restitution and see if she even gives a damn about trying to get the rest of her family back in the US

Well Kevin Q- I'm so GD happy for your freaking illegal friend who was given SSI benefits. I am an American citizen, 52 years old. Was injured at age 48 and have been fighting for my social security benefits since and it will be at least another 4 year battle at which time I ecpect I will still be denied. I graduate high school so the SSA says "I have a high level" of education, I speak English, I am literate, and considered "young" to be applying. EVERY ONE OF THESE THINGS ARE BEING HELD AGAINST ME TO DENY ME!!!

I would have gotten my benefits if any of the folowing applied:

A) I was already over 55

B) IF I was illiterate

C) if I could NOT speak English

Tell your friend to go back to his own country and let them take care of his problems!!! No American should be denied benefits that Illegals arg given freely!!!

Round all the illegals up, head em' out of this country ASAP!!! Most of them don't give a crap about our culture, laws etc.. and take advatage of every FREEBIE they can find. Our politicians want to solicit their votes while they don't give a damn about their own countrymen. Sick of all these people having their little "pity parties" for these illegals!!! FInd out what they really think of us Gringos and what their agenda is. Many of them believe they are going to take over this country and way too many fools are ready to let them do it!!!!! Why the hell don't they stay in theirown damn country and fight for change and reform there!!! Oh, well that would cost them in many ways and by god they'd rather take Americans dreams than fight for their own!!!!

Matt-3468366Restored

I think I'd rather have these kids as citizens that will appreciate living here and be good upstanding citizens than some of the delinquent brats we have running rampant throughout the country that were just lucky enough to be born here.

Yeah Matt....just like the ILLEGAL ALIEN that was texting and driving 2 weeks ago and rear ended me at a red light...WITH NO INSURANCE! Since you would rather have them here....I guess YOU can pay for the 10k damages and what about my medical issues? Will YOU be taking care of me for the rest of YOUR life?

Its SAD that Barry only wants them here for another vote! To hell with AMERICANS!

skrewdworld:

Well Kevin Q- I'm so GD happy for your freaking illegal friend who was given SSI benefits. I am an American citizen, 52 years old. Was injured at age 48 and have been fighting for my social security benefits since and it will be at least another 4 year battle at which time I ecpect I will still be denied. I graduate high school so the SSA says "I have a high level" of education, I speak English, I am literate, and considered "young" to be applying. EVERY ONE OF THESE THINGS ARE BEING HELD AGAINST ME TO DENY ME!!!

I would have gotten my benefits if any of the folowing applied:

A) I was already over 55

B) IF I was illiterate

C) if I could NOT speak English

Tell your friend to go back to his own country and let them take care of his problems!!! No American should be denied benefits that Illegals arg given freely!!!

Round all the illegals up, head em' out of this country ASAP!!! Most of them don't give a crap about our culture, laws etc.. and take advatage of every FREEBIE they can find. Our politicians want to solicit their votes while they don't give a damn about their own countrymen. Sick of all these people having their little "pity parties" for these illegals!!! FInd out what they really think of us Gringos and what their agenda is. Many of them believe they are going to take over this country and way too many fools are ready to let them do it!!!!! Why the hell don't they stay in theirown damn country and fight for change and reform there!!! Oh, well that would cost them in many ways and by god they'd rather take Americans dreams than fight for their own!!!!

skrewdworld: The ignorance baffles me. If you read my entire post you would realize what my stand on illegal immigration is. I was trying to prove the audacity to Amanda-2017567, that an illegal immigrant is eligible to collect SSI, as well as you and I are. I don't think that's right. If you read a few posts above the one you're commenting on you would also have seen my feelings on illegal immigration. Hell, if you went to my profile page and looked at my previous posts, I wouldn't have to be writing this. So please save us all some time and research before commenting and stop trolling Newsvine. Second of all, you're opening your big mouth without knowing who you're talking to. I am an American citizen, 58 years old. I was injured at age 54 and as I was a truck driver and unable to continue my line of or any physical kind of work after 4 back surgeries, including 2 lumbar spinal fusions, and haven't yet been rated at 100% permanant disablity rating but I will when I'm rated, I guess we're kind of in the same boat. I graduated high school and have 2 years of college, I speak English, I am also literate, so I guess I will be denied too. So I'm disabled, still unable to work, not eligible for any benefits until I'm rated, unable to use my GI Bill (for job training or education) as it was expired 10 years after my honorable discharge from the Air Force. After all this I'm living off savings, and some help from family members. Good luck and hopefully you'll be able to get your SSD when your eligible and I'm right behind you after I get rated. I volunteered to fight for this country when they needed me too and I hope the are as considerate to me when I need some help. I have told my friend to go back to his own country, but he waited 12 years to get a green card and came here the right way, so he's staying for now. Oh, by the way, I've been writng my Congressman about my friend being able to collect SSI benefits when he wasn't even born in this country and haven't got a response back yet. I don't think it's very fair that he's collecting SSI while I deplete my savings account. I was making a point DA. Pull your head out!!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Well Kevin you are certainly seriously overeacting to my post. The entire post was NOT directed at you other than saying tell your friend to beat feet out of this country and stop collecting $$$ he doesn't deserve. the rest is my opinion and certainly every bit as valid as your own. I didn't read many of the comments before I posted as I was headed out the door for the weekend. Normally I do read quite a bit before I comment. I'm sorry if I offended you but by the same token your response was quite a bit more rude than you think mine was and really uncalled for. Have a nice day.

The fact that it's not their fault doesn't make it any more legal.

Just wondering. You have to wonder no more. These people are Criminals. They come to the United States to take jobs away from REAL Americans due to the low wages that they will accept. They sneak into the United States and recieve free education that I pay for. Our two parties, Republican and Democrat are pushing for these Illegals, Republicans love cheap slave labor, Democrats love the votes that these criminals are able to do, and by the way dont even try to tell me that the Illegals do not vote. The criminals come here to get FREE Healthcare and are stealing from me, I pay one thousand dollars a month and still have to fight with my insurance company, again the criminals get it all for free. The Illegals get Medicaid, Medicare, Unemployment Insurance and every other entitlement that they can get there grubby hands on. All Illegals should be rounded up, fingerprinted and then kicked out of the U.S., never to return. America is drowning in corruptness in all of our government, and these Illegals do not help. Kick them all out of the country. If you think that I am Pissed off at our government for allowing these Illegals to be treated like they are Kings and Queens, YOU are correct.

these kids have proven their worth to the country. It is a fact, that many of them have US-born siblings who have all the advantages of education and careers that they cannot. I will never understand what all the fuss is about.

So you're saying that every last illegal immigrant kid is going to go to 'bigger and brighter' things?

That is the exception to the rule- whether legal or illegal, in any country. Out of the million or so the article referenced, you'd be lucky if 1% managed to do something 'positive' with their lives, and that's just as applicable if you look at legal citizens.

wascigarman

You hit the nail on the man, It's just unfortunate liberals can't think and just react to good feelings

It's just unfortunate liberals can't think and just react to good feelings

That is amusing. It seems that conservatives get pissed or afraid and only react based upon those feelings.

Here are some facts:

1) Our economy is dependent upon an expanding population base. This base is reliant upon immigration.

http://www.lurj.org/article.php/vol3n2/immigration.xml

2) In locals where laws regarding checking workers for legal status have been rigorously applied it has done nothing to help the unemployment. Typically "real" Americans are unwilling to do the jobs that become available.

http://www.ppic.org/main/publication.asp?i=737

3) Illegals, as a group, pay in to taxes and yet pull out nothing in terms of medical or "entitlement" costs for fear of being identified. This is the modern version of indentured servitude. These illegals are paying for YOU, not the other way around.

http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2006-04-06/econ-101-on-illegal-immigrantsbusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice

But whatever, just keep reacting to your 'feelings'.

Eng.."Our economy is dependent upon an expanding population base. This base is reliant upon immigration."

The topic here is illegal aliens and illegal immigration. You will be hard pressed to find any American who has problems with anyone immigrating to this country legally. Confusing an illegal alien with a legal immigrant, not going to work here.

"Illegals, as a group, pay in to taxes and yet pull out nothing in terms of medical or "entitlement" costs for fear of being identified."

HUH?

Illegals receiving food stamps...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25727901/

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2010/03/food-stamp_fraud_detroit-area.html

Illegals receiving housing...

http://www.redding.com/news/2009/jan/02/countless-illegal-immigrants-live-in-public/

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/09/18/quietly_living_american_dream/

Education...

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/0315dnmetimmigcount.3d35b14.html

http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/sactestimony082406.html

Driver's License...

http://newmexicoindependent.com/58644/nm-is-one-of-few-states-to-give-drivers-licenses-to-illegal-immigrants

And you'll love this one:

Illegals get $4.2 Billion using fraudulent Tax Claims…

The Internal Revenue Service allowed undocumented workers to collect $4.2 billion in refundable tax credits last year, a new audit says, almost quadruple the sum five years ago.

Wage earners who do not have Social Security numbers and are not authorized to work in the United States can use what the IRS calls individual taxpayer identification numbers. Often these result in fraudulent claims on tax returns, auditors found.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/undocumented-workers-got-billions-from-irs-in-tax-credits-audit-finds/2011/03/23/gIQAhtaKvJ_blog.html?hpid=z3

1) I thought our expanding population base was dependent on breeding by welfare recipients rather than an enormous influx of ILLEGAL aliens.

3) How can you pay taxes without a Social Security number? You can't get a number without proof of citizenship. Lacking proof of citizenship means you are and ILLEGAL alien (see point 1). Being an ILLEGAL alien means you should be deported rather than sucking up all kinds of special benefits. Sucking up all kinds of special benefits means you are using our tax dollars, not yours, to pay you way to be in this country ILLEGALLY. If you want to be a LEGAL resident of this country, go through the application process rather depending upon cheating (amnesty) which, by the way, really ticks off most LEGAL immigrants.

I'll give you point number 2) simply because that one item has been documented in several farming states. That point (2) still does not make ILLEGAL immigration right. If your thesis is valid on point (2), two wrongs make a right and morality, legality, and ethical behaviour have nothing to do with the situation.

h321, I should restate my assertion, the costs for illegal imigrants are very real, approximately $11.2 billion in education. (by far the largest burden they place on the public)

The $4.2 billion in tax credits may be fraudulent, but only because these people are illegal. They are still filing taxes and paying in $7 billion in Social Security alone (after these credits that would be available but for their status).

Add in sales tax, local taxes, income tax and property tax, and lastly their impact on consumer market, and 75% of economists agree that illegal immigrants have a net positive effect upon the economy, and 11% neutral.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=881584

The main problem is stories like these fluff pieces to make us feel bad about ILLEGALS. If she is SO bright and intelligent maybe her country needs her more then ours? Why dosen't MSNBC run stories of the majority of these kids who don't speak any english and overwhelm our schools and hospitals at OUR cost? Or the ones in gangs, or the rapists, or the drunk drivers, or the pedophiles, or the ID thieves, or the baby mama factories, etc,etc, MSNBC will NEVER run these stories WHY?

So we want to place blame on this girl for accepting 300 dollars under the table in wages - what about those AMERICANS who hire then so they can save a buck on hiring AMERICANS? Isn't THAT the probelm???

Bob in KC and others, one final point

I do not like illegal immigration. We should stop people from entering the US illegally. I personally would like to see much of our military brought home and tasked with patrolling our borders.

However, immigration is VERY important to our country. Our immigration policies need to be revisited, and smart and industrious people should be incentiveized to come and build a better US.

If you get advanced training or education in the US, I feel you should have a fast track to citizenship. If you are gainfully employed, and staying out of trouble the same should be true. If your net wealth is high enough, etc.

Demonizing illegal immigrants is non-productive and stupid if no real alternative is presented.

Americans are willing to do any job that becomes available, there is no jobs. Illegals are still hired despite the verify laws.

My son works in a kitchen at a retirement home, there are college grads trying to get hired in the kitchen making less than eight bucks an hour. So here in the REAL WORLD the REAL American can not find a freaking job. Hospitals and doctors offices have a freeze on all hiring.

Many illegals file income taxes and claim the earned income credit for kids that are not even in America. This is costing us 4.2 billion a year.

See, once you disrespect one of our laws it becomes real easy to respect all of our laws. I do not understand what part of illegal do you not understand.

In 2004 the costs of food stamps, WIC and free school lunch programs to illegal alien households was $1.9 billion. Wonder what the price tag is now???

Want facts and not fiction:

EngEsq...I am aware that illegal aliens have a slight positive economic affect.

Pros and cons well discussed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

However, this is important because it clearly illustrates that getting rid of illegal aliens will have no significant long term economic impact.

@Just Wondering: She came here voluntarily to rejoin her parents by herself according to the article.

How are people who take BILLIONS, anywhere from 100 to 113 Billion more in public benefits than they put into our system (in any form, especially the ones you specifically mentioned), be considered a 'net positive effect on our economy", in ANYONE'S opinion?

These are links from many different sources, they are from left and right opinions and all of them have ONE thing in common, that illegals cost us, the taxpayers money, way way way way way more money than illegals ever 'dream' of giving back...and not all of it is 'money', either.

abcnews.go.com/Business/illegal-immigrants-cost-us-100-billion-year-group/story?id=10699317

www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/

www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/immigration-costs-fair-amnesty-educations-costs-reform/

rense.com/general81/dtli.htm

mmigration.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000788

www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/USCostStudy_2010.pdf?docID=4921

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

www.illegalimmigrationstatistics.org/

EngEsq (Patent Legal Clerk at London England according to your previous Newsvine Posts, then you claimed (lied) that you are a US Citizen as an Eng (Engineer) which does not explain the "Esq" (title of Lawyers).

Butt out of US Matters, Stick to what you know, the problems at your own Nation, the Muslims refusing to integrate into English Culture.

EngEsq - h321, I should restate my assertion, the costs for illegal imigrants are very real, approximately $11.2 billion in education. (by far the largest burden they place on the public)

State of (now Bankrupt) Illegal Alien Harbor State of California in 2004 spent over $10 Billion of US Taxpayer Money on Illegal Aliens, $7.7 Billion on the Education of Illegal Aliens, $1.4 Billion on Health Care for Illegal Aliens, $1.4 Billion on the Imprisonment of Illegal Aliens for Violent Crimes (Murder, Rape, Armed Assault, Armed Robbery, Violent Gang Crimes, etc.).

Are you calling President Obama a liar? As President Obama, "Employer paperwork is used by ICE to effectively apprehend and deport Undocumented Workers (Illegal Aliens)". The Lawyers funded by US Taxpayers of La Raza ("The Race") have been advising Illegal Aliens NOT to fill out Employer paperwork (State and Federal Income Tax Withholding; THEREFORE ILLEGAL ALIENS DO NOT PAY STATE AND FEDERAL INCOME TAXES AS FELONY CRIMINAL TAX EVASION; Deductions for Medical, Dental, Vision Insurance; Deductions for Social Security, Disability Insurance, etc..). In 2004 the total California Sales Taxes was $17 Million, the $17 Million does NOT pay for the over $10 Billion US Taxpayer Money spent on Illegal Aliens.

After many US States created Anti Illegal Alien Laws and Enforced them, many Illegal Aliens fled to Illegal Alien Harbor States. In 2011 the State of California spent about $25 Billion US Taxpayer Money on Illegal Aliens, this did NOT include the Costs of WIC (Food Stamps), Public Housing, Public Assistance, etc. as received by Illegal Aliens as assisted by the Lawyers funded by US Taxpayers of La Raza ever since the Lawyers of La Raza defeated Calfornia Proposition 187 ("Must be US Citizen to receive US Taxpayer paid Public Assistance of Any Kind"). This defeat of "Popular" (Majority Legal Residents voted for) California Proposition 187 set the Legal Precedent Nationwide (Federal 9th Circuit Court) for Illegal Aliens to receive US Taxpayer Funded Public Assistance.

EngEsq - Demonizing illegal immigrants is non-productive and stupid if no real alternative is presented.

Sure, when your "Facts" are negated and thrown out as emotive opinions by hs321 and Bob in KC-545426; start sling around emotive NONSENSE, WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL BEING ILLEGAL DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND.

The Illegal Aliens (NOT Immigrants) Demonized themselves by committing Illegal Activities against US Citizens (US Government, US Laws, etc.).

How about YOU and those FOR Illegal Aliens, First research all the Illegal Alien Studies of the US Congressional Research Agency, Legal Precedents (US Supreme Court Rulings), Intelligence Agencies Illegal Aliens as a National Security Threat, President Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" and US Supreme Court Ruling that the Children of Illegal Aliens as "Those Little Frauds" aka "Anchor Babies" are not applicable to the 14th Amendment, previous US Laws that made legal the Children of Legal Immigrants (Irish, Africans, Chinese, Japanese, etc.) born at the US (but no US Laws for the current Illegal Aliens), President Bush's 2006 Illegal Immigration Crisis Response Act of 2006 (justifications (research), US Supreme Court Ruling as Constitutional), over 23 Million Illegal Aliens at US (currently over 25 Million), Written Goals of Illegal Alien Advocacy Groups of La Raza, M.E.Ch.A, etc., Aztlan, "Outnumbering" (obtaining control by passive means) by increasing populations of Illegal Aliens (Illegal Alien's "Little Frauds", and having many children (Birth Rates) paid for by US Taxpayer Public Assistance), cost of Illegal Aliens versus benefits to US (Citizens), Majority of US Fruits, Vegetables, "Produce" from South and Central Americas (Not US), Unemployment Rate of the Children (Teenagers) of Legal US Citizens that used to do the "Low paid", "Hard work", "No Benefits", "Entry Level", "McJobs" currently occupied by the Illegal Aliens, US Infrastructure Jobs aka "Shovel Ready" "Infrastructure" Jobs currently occupied by the Illegal Aliens displacing the US Labor Union Construction Workers, etc..

Anyone for Illegal Aliens, "Those Little Frauds", Illegal Alien's Children must demand a box on their US Tax Forms so that they can pay the Hundreds of Billions of USDs each year spent on Illegal Aliens. NO MORE COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT OF ALL US CITIZENS (US Taxpayers).

Some 937,000 people brought here as children might immediately qualify for the program, which was outlined in a government memorandum in mid-June. Another 426,000 age 15 and under could, too, if the program remains in place, according to a recent analysis by the Immigration Policy Center and a consulting firm. The states with the highest number of likely recipients are California, Texas, Florida, New York and Illinois.

We are no longer a Nation of laws. I'm glad this article came out to remind us what O'bama did. Time to rid ourselves of this man.

What I want to know is, how did we come up with the figure of 937,000 illegal children brought here? How in the hell do they know...its not even a generalized figure such as 900,000 or 950,000... I would love to know the process of this count.

you answered your own rant at the end of your comment. You can't punish someone for something they didnt do, and as a child, they did not make the desicion to come here illegally.

Scrappy - these people were kids when their parents brought them here. For many, they think they are Americans having known no other life. I know the small city here in Northern CA where I live - there are many decent kids who are in this circumstance. They had no hand in what happened to them and to say send them back to another country to do the paperwork is just not really thinking the situation out.

It's not the job or responsibility of this country to be fair to others that are collateral damage of someone's decision.

If a man steals $1000000 and dies, leaving it to his kids, then it is discovered that he stole it, should the kids get to keep it?

At the very least, make the parents pay huge fees to keep their kids here, then kick them out of the country permanetly. No more anchor babies.

Monkey - "The real problem is not having a national policy for immigration"

Really? How do LEGAL immigrants get here then?

Perhaps you should spend a little time paying attention to reality instead of creating fantasies to make yourself feel special.

pjam09: My wife is from Japan and we have to "feel special" with the government every 5 years or so for her green card.

Living just miles away from Minidoka, where American/Japanese were rounded up in concentration camps, doesn't make us feel special at all. No fantasies here.

I was always taught that actions have consequences. Just because their parents knew right from wrong when they brought their family ILLEGALLY into the U.S., doesn't mean their children - not any anchor babies - are any less ILLEGAL.

ILLEGAL occupants of countries used to be deported.

Just a question......when these illegal children are made legal, can they in turn sponsor their illegal parents and get them to stay? Then instead of 900,000 new immgrants it will be 2,700,000 people (presuming there is a mother and father) being made legal. That is a huge burden to bear seeing that we do not have enough jobs for our legal citizens as it is right now and also it will put a strain on our health care.

This is crazy because I know people who have done the legal route and they are still waiting after 8 years to get their application finalized and these people can just step in and get accepted. I also know that some of the families have broken up because of this long wait because once you apply for your green card you cannot come into the country which is unfair but these illegal people are allowed to stay until their documents are legalized. So unfair but what do you expect from Obama who has an aunt and uncle who are here ilelgally.

the bigpicture....."You can't punish someone for something they didnt do, and as a child, they did not make the desicion to come here illegally."

Duhhh, read the dad gum article. It specially states that his young lady (Perez) came into the United States ILLEGALLY to "reunite with her family". SHE MADE THE DECISION ON HER OWN and it was ILLEGAL for her to enter the United States. She should have been denied entrance into the United States at her port of entrance.

Perez, who said she illegally entered the country from the Dominican Republic at 13 to reunite with her family.

As for the rest of the Illegal Alien (Immigrant) children, deport them along with the ILLEGAL parents.

I bet they will just add all their relatives to a chain reaction. I wish something could be done right away with Obama so he doesn't have time to make everything worse within the next couple of months. No harm-but disappear permanently.

What the F Monkey? Although I do agree with most of your comments I myself have married a Japanese lady and we don't have to do anything special at all to appease the government for her green card. After the conditional residence trial of 2 years they asked for some additional supporting documentation which I only sent proof that we are still married she was given permanent resident status, or green card valid for 10 years as most are. I am not sure what situation you are in that requires every 5 year "feel special" arrangements.

Monkey@Keyboard: I am a redneck myself...we do not all fall into the category of the gap-toothed, ignorant, racist people of yore. I am sorry that you and your wife have to go through the greencard process, but ya'll are doing things the right way, so thank you....

MrBurns: I agree with you completely. If the crime of the parents results in a profit, the offspring should not inherit that profit by default. It needs to go back to the rightful owners. In this case, people like Monkey, who's family is taking the legal route.

I do: you think 13 year olds have the mental capacity to understand the desicion they are making when it comes to illegally entering a country to be with their family?

Right here in Texas if you go by the "Democratic" headquarters, you will see signs on their windows written in Spanish. Now please tell me why a citizen of the United States would need that? Don't give me the no official language crap. They teach kids in Europe english. Ever wonder why??

Go by the "Republican" headquarters and the signs are all in english.

This project has one and ONLY one singular purpose!! Period. We might as well just face the fact that if Obama is elected, we will have 12 million new legal residents. Get over it and swallow it!!

If you came here legally, I apologize but you got hosed and the government owes you some money!!!

Ido- Duhhh read the rest of the article where it states her father brought her and her brother to the US.

Mr Burns- you're comparing apples to oranges. Inheriting an otherwise unexpected large sum and then having it taken away is COMPLETELY different than being brought here illegally as a child and being forced to go back, as a young adult, to a completely different country and starting all over again. That's just idiocy.

We have laws on the books right now that deal with illegal immigration and what happens to illegal immigrants. The major problem is that the laws are not enforced by the government and our sitting president selects which laws he wants to obey! If the laws were actually enforced as written and not changed by unilateral presidential fiat, there would be absolutely no basis for this discussion. Instead we are deluged by a "tidal wave across the Mexican border" as sung by a nationally recognized singer.

If you don't want immigration laws enforced, have Congress pass legislation to delete them from the books. Then all you would have to do is figure out where to put many, many millions more immigrants that would then flood our open borders and figure out how to provide jobs and English language for all of them.

Good luck, aye?

This story just evidences the fact that granting rewards and special treatment for immigration lawbreaking only serves to further incentivize and embolden exponentially more immigration lawbreaking (like Reagan's 1986 amnesty). Just take a moment to reflect upon the warped disposition of Ms. Perez who believes that she is entitled to break our laws, profit by doing so, and jump right ahead of those who are respectfully trying to immigrate legally!!! Here is a brief excerpt:

It's been quite an experience. I did sometimes kind of feel like, 'Oh, why me?' and I would get depressed and cry. I used to cry a lot. Not anymore," she said.

Although Ms. Perez's predicament is entirely of her own making and SHE BROKE OUR LAWS, she feels victimized and entitled to receive rewards and special treatment incident to her lawbreaking! Disgusting! And her despicable father--- ALSO HERE ILLEGALLY--- also feels that our laws don't apply to him! This Administration is emboldening these insufferable ILLEGALS to have a sense of entitlement to profit by way of their LAWBREAKING!

Any politician pandering to grant rewards and special treatment for ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS should LOSE Election 2012. I am a life-long Democrat, and I will not vote for Obama as a result of his amnesty objectives. How insulting for LEGAL IMMIGRANTS (like #1.24), who waited the wait, paid a high price, and went through a background check to see this Administration grant rewards and special treatment to the LAWBREAKERS!

A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!

Not only did she state she felt depressed, but the article also states she earns $300 for her 45hr work shift, an "under-the-table-job".

In this country, under the table means that you are paid cash and no taxes are collected by the employer. You also don't report any SSN to that employer, so this illegal alien has been collecting a salary and NOT paying taxes. Multiply that by the multitudes that are doing the same thing, and you will see where/why this country is OUT OF MONEY for it's own citizens!

End shoe horning in of extended relatives, if only for extended relatives of undocumented aliens

Get out your pitchforks and bring your ammo fellas we need a REVOLUTION !!!!

Patricia:

Perez, a college graduate who earns $300 for her 45-hour work weeks at an under-the-table job at a publishing firm helping to edit immigration books (she has a taxpayer identification number and pays taxes), hopes to resume her studies to become a surgeon. She dropped her pre-med program in college because she decided it would be too hard to practice medicine in the U.S. because of her status.

Something tells me, Monkey, that you're not actually from around here. Your flagrant use of Rednecks as a slur signifies that you are a racist; as blacks don't often use redneck as a slur anymore, but Asians do, I'm going to wager you're an Asian immigrant or at least a 3rd Gen American of Asian origin. Your wife being from Japan alludes to you being a 3rd Gen American of Japanese origin and one of the few remaining holdouts that believed that Americans dropped the A-bombs out of hateful spite rather than as a clear display of the futility of carrying on war against us.
Either way, it doesn't matter to me beyond the scholarly sense as I like to note where people are from whether their persona is legit or just a made up thing so they can look special on the Internet when they have no point and no standing to the things they say in regards to issues that do not involve them. If your Japanese wife is getting a green card every five years instead of being a citizen by being married to you or, if you live in one of those blue states that doesn't believe in assimiliation then why she hasn't gotten her citizenship papers yet to become an American, I want to find out where the rip in the space-time continuum is that you stepped through so I can help you get back home. Where you live is obviously MUCH more interesting than here and it is evident you miss it. Seriously, Japanese people are very literate and master English as children - there's no way she couldn't have become a citizen by now, and don't give me that garbage about "Dual-Citizenship". There's many perks to dual citizenship, namely being extremely impressive to everyone that encounters them.

Just saying. You've got a massive hole in your identity and your awareness of national law that you need to work out before posting again.

So let me see if I can understand what this screw up of an administration has done again. We are drowning in debt, cities are going belly up with some states in dire straights, and what do we do, we open our doors for more people that we the tax payers (that do pay taxes) will have to support through school, medical services, social services and now free health care). What part of broke does not Obama understand.

If her parents are here illegally it is not our problem, pack the whole bunch up and put them on a plane and send them back to where they belong. Trust me, a plane ticket will be much cheaper in the long run then supporting them. Then seal up our boarders, use some of the drones along with mines and guard towers to stop illegals, and then tell them they have to do what my wife's family did when she was three months old, come over here legally.

IF her parents are here LEGALLY, perhaps taking the TIME TO MAKE her legal NEVER came to mind? you jest! she should be shipped out, and her parents as well if they are not LEGAL.

i dont care if she was 13 months old when she was brought here, SHE IS HERE ILLEGALLY! i dont care if there are parents here ILLEGALLY and have a kid here, its AGAINST THE LAW! THE LAW all you cry-heart liberals scream about anytime a white breaks, and even the white folks are guily, and even more so! better than thou attitude doesnt pay the bills, nor does it get things that need to be done right.

she is breaking the law, and has been for over 2 yrs now. DEPORT!

she came here illegally, and knowing so when she did it. DEPORT!

if her family wanted her, they should have brought her along.... obviously they didnt. she could have recieved an amnesty/citizenship thru her parents legally when Bush was president... SHE DID NOT, DEPORT!

i also agree, any illegal skipping in line without the LEGAL PAPERS to back them being here, should be booted, and never return, unless they want to be executed at the border. i dont care what color you are, what race, or what country.... if you are here illegally i find out, I WILL turn ICE your way. wont even mess with the locals, or even a rant to a buddy.... just gonna call ICE, like every red blooded American should do right now if they support enforcing immigration.

NaughtyMossy

Way to put race on the poster. Anything past that just became trash, but hey what can we expect from an indentured servant decedent such as yourself.

Scrappy said;

I say send em all home and let them start the paperwork from there. If they get caught here illegally, they should be forever disqualified from getting citizenship. It's fair punishment for cheaters and lets those that have been going through the proper channels get to the front of the line!!! I know it's not fair to the kids, but the parents shouldn't have done it.... :-(

So what about situations like mine?

I was declared 'illegal' when USCIS lost my adoption paper 18 years after I was adopted. Since I was never told I was adopted before my parents passed away in a car accident, I had no idea where to find the required paperwork, and since I was undocumented prior to my adoption--abandoned as an infant with no birth certificate--there was nowhere to deport me. Should the fact that USCIS lost my adoption paper mean my citizenship should be revoked, the citizenship I already had for 18 years, the citizenship my Dad and Mom paid for?

Joe said:

It's not the job or responsibility of this country to be fair to others that are collateral damage of someone's decision

I had never broken a law, didn't come here illegally, USCIS had all the rest of my paperwork except for the adoption paper.Which THEY lost. Joe, if this were you, would YOU expect the government to be fair to you considering THEY were the ones to lose your paperwork and you were never told you were adopted?

I am not advocating for illegal immigration. When I was in deportation I saw many people who had jumped the border, shot a cop, dealt drugs. I had no sympathy for them.

I did have sympathy for the woman who was trafficked into the US as a child and molested for five years then thrown out because she was too old to please her molester anymore and picked up as an 'illegal'. And for the undocumented like me, who were legal, but the government lost a piece of paper and placed us in civil detention (not considered an arrest so no judgement, trial, lawyer, hearing, charges, or other rights.)

Mr. Jay

Really, only asians use redneck as a slur? Talk about clueless, you know you're a redneck when that term actually offends you. Sounding like a trek geek doesn't make you a genius, more like a doofus.

Mr Jay said:

If your Japanese wife is getting a green card every five years instead of being a citizen by being married to you

Marriage to a US citizen does not guarantee you automatic citizenship. that rule was changed. The spouse can sponsor you, but you still have to go through the immigration process and pay all applicable fees (about $$6000 currently.)

or, if you live in one of those blue states that doesn't believe in assimiliation then why she hasn't gotten her citizenship papers yet to become an American...there's no way she couldn't have become a citizen by now,

One has to have a green card for a set number of years in order to apply. Once you do apply, it can take as long as 23 years for USCIS to process your application paperwork and approve you to take the citizenship test--they are hugely backlogged right now. Then it can be a wait of up to another year and a half to actually be scheduled for the test, up to another year to have your test graded and be scheduled to take the Oath, and three to six months to receive the actual naturalization paperwork.

So until her application gets to the front of the line she has no choice but to keep applying for another green card every 5 years. And if Japan and the US get in an argument, they can refuse to communicate background check results, stalling the process for as long as they want.

This is one tough one. I want the rule of law to mean something, indicating that there should be a wholesale deportation of the illegal immigrants. On the other hand, the reality of there being anywhere from 5-15 MILLION people currently in the United States without current, valid immigration forms on file.

Many of them are students and workers who have overstayed their visas, but they fit into the technical definition of "illegal immigrants." Others are children of legal immigrants, brought in illegally.

Can we really expect to remove 2-5% of the US population ? That just does not seem realistic.

thepunisher-2054749

NaughtyMossy

Way to put race on the poster. Anything past that just became trash, but hey what can we expect from an indentured servant decedent such as yourself.

you didnt read, or understand did you? i dont care what race! care less! dont care if the person is the sole survivor on the planet Neptune, if here illegally, ship him/her out. what part of ILLEGAL is so HARD for you, and others to comprehend? why even have a form to fill out, just open the borders, and take all of em? BECAUSE THERE ARE LAWS< BECAUSE IF WE DID, WE WOULD HAVE THE PROBLEMS WE ARE HAVING NOW, on a larger scale. why we have LEGAL IMMIGRATION to keep our, OUR economy in check.

yet giving about 1.5 million illegals a free pass, to employment of ALL THINGS when our unemployment rate has been insane for 4 yrs now! going on 5... ty NOjobs-NObama! jobs only count if they dont come from the taxpayers pocket. REALITY ECONOMICS. nobody ever made money paying themselves. yet ay! whats another 1.5, who will get welfare, medical, and you name it on our dime right? not to mention THEY will get better treatment than our HOMELESS!!!!!!

ship every last illegal out by the seat of their pants, and if they come back, send them back with no feet. that is immigration reform. and if they come back a 3rd time, they wont be too hard to spot. and i dont think they will be running very fast. take the hands. wont be a 3rd time. if that STILL doesnt work, put them on a stake faceing their homeland. living while placed preferred.

next story would read, iIllegals Run From America To Homelands.... next page,

:former border patrol and ice agents flood unemplyment lines seeking jobs in security

"dirp", I've already debated you in the Disney lawsuit thread...I'll wallop you, again, in this one.

Easy, enforce our laws and take away every public benefit we give to illegals, including health care, welfare for their anchor babies, school, heavily fine (like a 50% profit fine) any company found to have hired illegals, heavily fine those who rent to them too.

If they can't use our benefits, take a job, or find a place to live, they will self deport...at no cost to us.

I think all these invaders should be rounded up and shipped back to their homeland, rather than being rewarded for breaking the law.

so you want to spend your tax dollars trying to build and fix another country while ours remains broke and broken? Doesn't sound very republican to me.

They don't "want our resources", they see their dreams of making a better life fulfilled in the US, i.e. they want to make a contribution.

Bearing in mind that contrary to popular myth they have little access to govt services due to their status and in fact most of them do pay taxes. The IRS came up with a way for them to pay taxes via the ITIN. So they get to pay FICA but they get nothing from it. About the only thing they can get is access to schooling because of a Supreme Court decision years ago. But even that is dicey because even school is tricky without an SSN and it is technically illegal. Even though they pay sales taxes and a lot of them pay property tax.

NH -- do you realize just how much of our tax dollars would be involved in your "round up"?

There are an estimated 15-20 million, but just think in terms of ONE million. How would you "round them up"? Where would you detain a million people? How would you pay for that dentention? (If you're thinking an Arizona-type "Tent City", I urge you to research that a bit.).

OK, now that have a million people, how do you plan to get them of the country? Buses? OK. An average bus is 40' long, holds approximately 75 people. That means you'd need 1333 buses. That would be approximately 10 miles of buses (for only ONE million). Now, do you think Mexico or Canada is going to allow 10 miles of buses across the border?

How about boats? Do you think other countries will allow us to dock? Planes, to land?

Obviously not. Again, rant without thought.

I agree, illegals who came here as ADULTS should go home, but we can force that by upholding our laws. Make it NOT comfortable to be here.

HOWEVER, those who came here as CHILDREN had no say in the matter and most were raised as Amercans. They don't even know what life in another country would be like. I think we can be compassionate to those while enforcing our policies that are already in place to make illegals WANT to return home.

One of the first steps, however, is realizing that the illegal immigrant is NOT the only one breaking the law. We also need to enforce the law on those who HIRE them.

Beth - Actually I would prefer revoking Mr Obama's ill-conceived policies offering deferred status to illegal aliens, using servicemen rotating back home to secure the border, and passing Mandatory E-Verify legislation. Mandatory E-Verify legislation would eliminate illegals from holding jobs and without a source of income they would self deport themselves

Beth...totally wrong. All that needs to be done is to start enforcing the laws against those who hire illegals. Start fining and jailing every one who employs illegals. Soon no one will hire them. And just like when the housing construction market collapsed, they will self deport because there will be no incentive for them to stay here. And there will be no incentive for them to come here in the first place.

You talk about compassion. Sure, give these kids amnesty because it makes us feel good. And millions more around the world will see this and try to do the same thing instead of resolving the problems in their own country. Why should they when they can bail on that responsibility and go to the U.S.? Give a kid here amnesty and condemn 10,000 more to a life of 'hoping to make it to the U.S. some day'. Where is the compassion for them?

To Steven1;

What? Are those their complaints about us? If they don't like it they are free to go back to Mexico.

Oh yeah... and don't let the door hit 'em on the way out!

Hundreds of kids are born to illegal immigrant women, and majority of them PREDENT saying they don't even know who the kids r fathers! Thats a biggest loophole these illegal women taking advantage of with the blessings of political games played with legal people depriving the usage of taxes for their own welfare instead being used for the welfare of illegal women and their "illegally" born kids right from the prenatal through post natal care. No other country in the world is so "COMPASSIONATE" wasting hard earned money paid in taxes!! It is about time asking both presidential canditates to seal this LOOPHOLE and revise the law of giving legal american born citizen status only to those who have born to a legal immigrant and or citizen of our beloved country. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH OBAMA AND ROMNEY .. GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER AND SAY NO TO SUCH KIDS FROM GETTING BORN CITIZENSHIPS1

"Immigrant youth seek legal status"

That's MSN for you. It should read "illegal immigrant wants special treatment, including jumping in line ahead of others who played by the rules, to gain legal status".

WE know what a con game your word games are MSNBC, MSN. Your not fooling anyone. We know you're the foghorn for the biased liberal media establishment.

President Obama is planning on shoe horning in an estimated 10 to 20 times the number of original admitees-- See the INS website on admission of extended family members.

END SHOE HORNINNG OF EXTENDED FAMILY MEMBERS

Why is it so wrong to right a wrong, regardless of age, etc.. I swear, Liberals will make any excuse up as to why something is too much of a hardship to accomplish. Why would going back to a country of origin be so hard for anyone?. They want multi lingual forms here, they want their cultures respected here. It seems they just bring a slice of life with them from their countries so going back to it shouldn't be an issue whether one year or ten years have passed. Entering illegally is a crime. Feeling bad for a child who was brought here ILLEGALLY is just stupid. It is the fault of the ILLEGAL parent, not the conservative voter who wants our Laws enforced, to the letter. Screw amnesty and deport all ILLEGALS regardless of age or length in country. It doesn't matter because every day here was ILLEGAL. This BS is only for one reason, hence it's temporary status, and that's to get Obama re-elected. It is graft for those who it will aid, the illegal vote. This is why i support Voter ID laws. I don't want Yelky voting for the man who will legalize her status. It's wrong.

I'm still wondering why we're supposed to be compassionate to people who come into our home uninvited. Democrats like to pretend they're compassionate despite coming from slave-owning roots (they started the Confederacy to prevent the emancipation of slaves, invented Jim Crow laws to keep blacks from voting, etc.) and in the 90s become compassionate do-gooders who, like the guy I mocked about ten minutes ago, are foul-mouthed hateful critters who think by heaping insults upon people is a mark of being a good person?
But nowhere, not even in the gold-plated halls of the DNC, is it written where we must be compassionate to foreigners. Not in the Constitution, the Federalist Papers, nor the Declaration of Independance does it say we're supposed to be compassionate to illegal aliens. In fact, we're actually told to NOT be compassionate to them, to imprison and question them relentlessly, to turn them over to their home government as prisoners and demands for that government to rein their own people in or it may be seen as an act of war, of SPYING on the USA.
So why are we being compassionate? Because Liberals are smug and hateful and they get to stir the pot. That's really all it's about. We have legal immigration means like everyone else in the world and we're retarded for electing politicians who let illegal aliens in for the votes and free labor they represent. Free labor = bigger pay for employers, most of which seem to be Democrat lobbyists, voters, campaign contributors... Monsanto is pretty high up on that list, as is Microsoft, as is H.E.B. - why are we being compassionate to traitors to our own country?

@Steven1, you are delusional, they want are resources and they Expect them; free housing, special schools for their kids (why should they have to learn to speak English), drivers licenses (even though they can't speak English, or read the street signs), food stamps, medical, dental,and IRS tax returns on kids who don't even live in this country.

oh, and special classes on how to start a business in this country and how to get availability to the above listed services, and how to buy land, in Spanish.

@ Steven1

You sir, are full of crap.

My wife is Mexican, and her ILLEGAL sister has better benefits than I do! Like a FREE $10,000 eye operation she just got, courtesy of the State of California. You are so blind...or conveniently fail to mention...how 1/2 of these people all have FAKE SOCIAL SECURITY CARDS like my sister in law does, and they get the whole kit and kaboodle....welfare, free health services, WIC...etc etc etc. Not to mention THEY DO NOT PAY TAXES.

Furthermore, Obama owes me a REBATE. I paid THOUSANDS to get my wife here the LEGAL way, now everyone gets a free pass?

Furthermore, if I go to Mexico without my Passport, what do you think happens. I GO STRAIGHT TO JAIL, I DO NOT PASS GO.

Illegal is Illegal! A Crime is a Crime! The US cannot afford to support these millions of LAWBREAKERS anymore!

Didn't mean to check I agree. It was a mistake. Who allows these HUMAN BEINGS to receive all the resources you mention above. Why is it so hard to make sure evreyone applying for these resources have proper documentation? I don't get it. How can a child go to school here unless we allow it without proper documentation? Who's fault is that? When a woman goes to the hospital to have a baby, I wouldn't say turn her away. Let her have the baby and then turn the situation over to the immigration then make sure she goes back to her own country. I just don't get it. Is it so hard to prove citizenship these days?

hs ... do you have a reading comprehensive problem?

Beth...totally wrong. All that needs to be done is to start enforcing the laws against those who hire illegals.

This is what I wrote:

One of the first steps, however, is realizing that the illegal immigrant is NOT the only one breaking the law. We also need to enforce the law on those who HIRE them.

And yes, I have compassion for the innocents in this situation .. the kids. If they want to work THAT hard (what is required) to become legal, then they should have the chance. They would probably make better citizens than many who have citizenship because of the luck of their birthplace and who now reside in the nearest pokey!

@ NH you said you'd prefer ...

Mandatory E-Verify legislation would eliminate illegals from holding jobs and without a source of income they would self deport themselves

Pretty much just what *I* said. But YOU are the one who initially said "round them up".

"Mr. Jay

I'm still wondering why we're supposed to be compassionate to people who come into our home uninvited."

Yeah, the natives are still wondering that too.

karen Willoughby

What? Are those their complaints about us? If they don't like it they are free to go back to Mexico.

Really, should we deport all the chinese and russians back to Mexico too?

"Let her have the baby and then turn the situation over to the immigration then make sure she goes back to her own country."

So what happens to the baby? Since it was born here on US soil, it automatically becomes a citizen.

When do you think NBC will get around to an article about the dreams of AMERICAN children whose families are being robbed to pay for criminals?

You mean the American Dream of owning a car, a nice house, having two kids and a spouse, a good job being productive, and the opportunity to retire and have the freedom to spend one's Golden Years doing the things they want?

Yeah, that ended when we came up with that retarded "Nation Building" stuff that sends our money, manufacturing, and talent overseas to countries that hate us while we ignore our neighbors and their neighbors over here on this continent for whom nation building would actually help them a great deal and strengthen our own civilization here on this half of the globe. Not only that, but we're also told we must help tribals who are trying to blow themselves up to kill one another and still dealing in slaves, otherwise we're bad people who don't get our opium pills to deal with our stress and depression. Oh, wait, we're not officially told about that last part. My bad. Forget you heard it until NBC runs the narrative towards "Honesty" sometime around 2031.

tony-605003

dream my ass .

Well, just cause you don't have any dreams, ever thought your ancestors that brought you here might have some? or did you magically sprout from the ground somewhere on US lands?

Many people in America are descended from native Americans.

I like your story John, and you're right. I had buddies when I lived in Hawaii who came from Korea as children of refugees. The most exciting moment of their young lives was turning 18 and passing their citizenship test to become full-fledged Americans. You've never seen so much pride until you see someone who has come from a horrible place to a good place, America, and become a part of society. THAT is legal immigration and it is MUCH MORE meaningful than amnesty for a bunch of people who simply do not care about anything but feeding a tyrannical government that sells them to foreign companies for profit. I mentioned Monsanto earlier. Monsanto ran an aggressive recruitment campaign in the 80s to hire as many Mexican citizens as possible to illegally work on the factory farms that were built to mass produce food. Monsanto is also guilty of genetically modifying the food that was mass produced without informing the public until they got caught one day.
They're still recruiting and still producing. Clinton made sure of it, as did Ted Kennedy. Carter gave them the go ahead to start, and Reagan allowed the amnesty to allow them to evade justice for breaking numerous laws. And Monsanto raises millions for the DNC year after year. The connection is obvious and this is not a conspiracy - it is actually happening, in plain sight, while we argue about little girls from the Dominican Republic.

"Laws are just for ugly people."

You left out poor people. Laws were meant to protect those in power, us piss-ons must follow the law. If the laws applied equally across the board, there wouldn't be any discrepancies and people in power would actually be convicted of something meaningful when they're caught breaking the law.

If they're like her, they are working 'under the table' jobs already.

Yes the law is the law, and people who say "illegal is illegal" clearly don't have the faintest understanding of immigration law.

First of all, being in the US illegally is a civil offense usually, not criminal.

Second of all, illegality can only be formally determined by a federal immigration court, not a cop in Arizona or Alabama during a traffic stop.

If you get a formal permanent stay of deportation (which is hard to get but there are grounds for it) then you do get permanent residency and you have to have shown some pretty excellent reason for it.

But each case and circumstance is unique is the key point. How many Americans fled to Canada during the Vietnam War for what they saw as political reasons?

Compared to being hunted down by a drug cartel or corrupt soldiers that seems pretty trivial by comparison.

You don't get to decide which laws are bad.

Steven, you may want to go read the actual law before posting on here.

USC 8, Sec. 1325(a) says that crossing the border illegally is punishable by up to six months in prison for the first offense. The second time, it’s a felony!

I guess your belief is that cheating and lying is ok as long as you approve. Typical Progressive.

jeff -- I'd say that's more of a typical politician, banker, and corporate CEO.

Steven1,

Illegal entry into the US is a criminal act, punishable by imprisonment. Being in the US illegally because you over stayed a visa is not.

There is a difference. Those here illegally through illegal entry have committed a crime.

Oh dear, Joe, you clearly haven't bothered to read Title 8 of USC or indeed the very section of it that you quote.

8 USC 1325(a) refers to entering with criminal intent, i.e. through the willful misrepresentation of facts. Subsection (b), i.e. if you don't misrepresent facts, is the more relevant part of that section - it is a civil offense, punishable by a fine of $50-$250.

I.e. if you are a criminal who enters and misrepresents facts, you can get sent to prison briefly, if you are an average person who enters illegally, you get a fine of $50-$250.

The difference between being a smuggler and the person being smuggled.

Steven1,

FYI -

Sec. 1325. Improper entry by alien

(a)
Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

I don't see anything about criminal intent.

Would imagine criminal intent (illegal immigration) [to be] premeditated when these ILLEGALS fail to return home after their visits. Then they become subject to court hearings and deportation.

Immigrating via marriage to a US citizen is by far the easiest way to permanently immigrate into the US.

Have a read of the DHS yearbook of immigration statistics: http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/yearbook/2010/ois_yb_2010.pdf

Of just over a million people granted permanent residency in 2010, 691,000 got it via some sort of family tie to a US citizen or LPR.

Only 148,000 got it via some sort of employment-based sponsorship

136,000 got it as a refugee or asylee.

50,000 got it through the diversity lottery.

So you're basically complaining about the easiest and most straightforward method of immigrating into the US.

Imagine what other people have to go through and why they feel compelled to enter illegally.

"The initiative appears to be a bid on President Obama’s part to provide temporary relief to those eligible for the Dream Act, legislation aimed at those brought to the U.S. as children that has stalled in Congress."

F the constitution, F checks and balances, F all American citizens and LEGAL immigrants.... I need to buy votes damn-it!

Dictatorially, Lord Obama.

I am pointing to the obvious disparity of treating legal immigration verses illegal immigration. It became readily apparent early on that the United States Government does not care about its own citizens yet panders to the illegal immigrants. Just for your reading edification, we are relocating to my wife's home country and frankly we can get a permanent visa in 3 days and their government epitomizes efficiency and I have lived in her country for 4 1/2 months. We would have relocated there first, but I am a job creator with a high technology company I founded in the USA and have a lot of assets here including real estate, et cetera. There is no reason to have essentially redundant paperwork on the K-1/K-3 visas and then the same thing with getting AOS (Adjustment of Status I-485) along with more egregious fees to the US Government while illegals pay nothing, get in state tuition benefits, free medical care, the list goes on and on and I am SICK of it.

@ Gary E. Meyer: It's all about this upcoming election. When Obama is gone so will the ILLEGALS soon thereafter. Figure it out.....

I encourage all legal citizens that came here the right way to flood the so called prezes office and immigration and homeland insecurity with letters demanding a refund of all fee's time spent chasing paperwork and postage and travel fee's and reimbursement for time spent off from work and travel time I am ! After all the work we did and the great Bum Obuma lets them have a free ride Ha !

Well stated. I know a similar story. We make rules and then penalize immigrants that are following those rules. It is a total shame and I feel your pain.

The sad state of Mexico/S. America isn't helping you out either. These people are desperate to find a better life. They are so desperate that they are willing to break laws to get in - and it's impossible to stop them from crossing the border. They take jobs illegally without paying taxes in many cases. These people make it even more difficult for you to get in.

Obama's amnesty plan is an embarrassment. There will be absolutely. NOTHING temporary about it.

Gary, Thank you for doing it the right way. Yes it is sad an illegal can walk across the border and get all the free help they want, while an American can't get any help. Our government is corrupt, spineless and balless. Good luck to you and your wife.

to Steven 1: 2 years ago my newphewvisited Singapore, and when he came back ito the US, through Kennedy Airport, he was interrogated, his luggage was confiscated for about 4 hours, the reason was, they, the gov't wanted to make sure he didn't get married over there, in other words, they wanted to find a marrige licence. So NO, being married does not make any diffence when appling for legal status in this country.

Never mind being that fine Christian rant you lefty loons try to pull over.... what about all these "kids" parents.... their brothers and sisters.... their grandma and grandpa... aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces, nephews , the little boy down the street who used to wash the family burro? Surely you can't be so un -Christian and deny the "kids" family members to stay !!

Can't wait for your reaction when the labor crunch hits as the baby boomers retire. Look at Japan, their population is rapidly shrinking and the average age is going up rapidly because they allow virtually no immigration. And their economy is stagnant.

The baby boomers can't afford to retire. They're going to need the jobs you're so happy to give away to others.

Stagnant > Broke

: pimp smacks MittfromMass. GTFO out of my country, biyatch! Ditto for any one of you argumentative bastards, too, left, right, middle, fringe, legal, illegal, of any skin tone or any stage of gender! I am sick of the lot of you idiots screwing up the world, and that means the politicians and the politician wannabes, too.

No they're not, especially not if you're a progressive spending other people's money!

...We don't need any more immigrants, legal or illegal. ...America is full-up!

This is very true.

getagrip -- why don't you be first in line?

...Good point, @Uncle! ...I was suggesting that they try Canada or France as a new home, but your idea is much better.

henry - " they should be chasing their dream from within their country of origin"

They're dream of leeching off of the citizens of another country requires them to infiltrate that country. If they remained in their own country of origin they might have to get a job to survive.

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..." - Emma Lazarus.

She was talking to the legal immigrants - that is obvious as she did not mention anything about embracing the invading hoards

Dosen't say anything about illegal's !

Ebeneezer--we do still do that now--LEGALLY!

Pjam--she HAS a job! An "under-the-table" job!

Hell yeah!

This is the problem with this country these days... everybody from the president to the janitor feels entitled to pick and choose which laws they're going to follow.

Five minutes of driving should prove without a doubt the veracity of that statement. When was the last time you saw someone actually driving the speed limit? I've seen posts of outrage that someone else wasn't doing 'at least' the speed limit, like it's intended as a minimum speed, not a maximum. Even the cops don't bother adhering to it when they aren't running under lights. It's a joke.

She is from the Dominican Republic, which is actually nicer than Mexico.

@Boom

Haha yeah right!! Mexico is by far nicer than the DR... or any other Country in the American Continent!

Every Hispanic or someone of other nationality that entered the United States "legally" that I know of are intensely mad at Mr. President Obama and the others that approved this crap. They worked hard to get their citizenship, homes and establish themselves as true United States Citizens. I do not blame them one bit. The government did not give them everything or anything. These are proud people that did not want charity and proved it.

Now, President Obama is sucking up any vote he can get. I honestly do not understand the "compassionate" people in these posts. This girl's parents are illegal as well as her. Bing, Bang, Boom; President Obama waved his magic pen and now, it gets easy and cheaper with more approved. Of course, if they hurry, they might even get to vote for Mr. President Obama. If the "compassionate" people are truly compassionate, let them pay the total to house, feed, send to school at their expense as well as college, buy them cars (and car insurance), employ, health insurance, etc., for the how many millions?

I live right at the poverty level with some college and have worked a long and hard life. To be honest, if these people were honest and hard working, they would be a success in their own country. I can not support any more. Neither can the hard workers that became citizens that I know a lot of.

Illegal is illegal. If we crossed the border to Mexico like that, we would be in prison. Send the illegals back to whatever country they are from along with any illegal relatives. That goes for Mr. President Obama's Aunt as well if she is still here illegally.

I have enough drug dealing neighbors in the area and I am about to turn them in along with everyone that has stopped at their house for the last month thanks to DVR and night-vision. We do not need that in my neighborhood.

My prayers go out to everyone, but the illegals should be forced to go to their own country and work to improve their homes, lives and families there. In my sincere and honest opinion.

wasci...

The 1986 amnesty was Ted Kennedy's idea, and strictly enforcing existing immigration laws from then forward, promised by the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, was supposed to be part of the deal. So Reagan (who later said it was the biggest mistake he made) and Congress (Dems and Repubs alike) went along and gave amnesty to almost 3 million illegal aliens, sending the message, that if you can steal in and stay long enough, the Americans will reward your illegal acts by giving you amnesty. How strong was that message? We now have 4 times as many, or more, wanting amnesty.

“In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, ‘This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.”

You are absolutely right in your comments.

We will not stop people from illegally entering and staying in our country until we stop letting them get jobs here, have children, get publicly funded education and benefits, and vote as a bloc for the political party that gives them the most.

You got the basics right. If there are no jobs waiting there will be no reason for anybody immigrate illegally. It is currently illegal to ask if a child is a US citizen when they are being enrolled in public school.

I can't help but laugh at all of the conservatives bashing Obama on this one. The Liberals try to go easy on immigration in hopes of getting more votes, the conservative, rich tax haters are very vocal about not liking illegal immigration.

However who is able to employ most illegal immigrants? Yes you got it, it's the wealthy people who vote conservative and don't want to pay taxes. You know, it's people like Meg Whitman. Yes that's right, the people who have big houses with big yards and need nannies to watch their children while they go out and make gobs of money. It's the small percentage of people (lets call them the 1%) with big agricultural companies that want lots of cheap labor and strive to find every tax loop hole possible.

The conservatives want cheap labor and they don't care where it comes from and they don't care how many Americans are out of work because of illegal immigrants or green card workers, (damn hear the same thing) who are happy to work for cheap.

Conservatives don't really give a damn about illegal immigration, they just make a big show out of being against it in hopes of getting your vote just like the Liberals make a point out of being easy on immigration.

Now if you really think a person who came to the US as a child, went to school here, and came of age here really deserves to be deported to their country of origin to start over you are simply a heartless bastard.

I don't like having to compete with immigrants for jobs any more than the next person, it sucks, but I also don't think it's right to take a young person who came of age in America and deport them so they can start all over again in a country/environment that they know little about.

Once somebody grew up here the cat's out of the bag so to speak. If you want to do the right thing about illegal immigration simply make it damn hard if not impossible to be in the US illegally.

You don't know what it's like to be illegal until you ''put on an illegal's shoes''. Living in this country without proper documentation is a struggle. A lot of people against any immigration reform think illegal = not paying bills, not paying taxes, "taking jobs", and getting everything free from the government. YOU PEOPLE are so WRONG. Legal or not you have to pay taxes , pay bills and buy your own things. You are limited to what you can do and where you can work. You are left vulernable to exploitation. You see people you graduated from high school with, getting high paying jobs but you are left working minium wage or doing hard work just to make ends meet. Many people are trying to get better jobs than taking jobs in fast food, resturants, cleaning , and construction. Illegal people take the leftovers the legal people and the citizens don't want. I hate the fact that people criticize the President for everything he does.... At least he is coming up with solutions not like the republicans that only know how to complain about everything the President does. I think it's so disrespectful for people to question his citizenship. Romey's father was Mexican but yet he was allowed to run for president.... (I am not against Romney's Dad I am just pointing out the difference between the way these two get treated.) Besides I have yet to meet someone who has become successful ALL on thier OWN. Everyone needs help, a boost , blessings , and mercy from others who are able to help in order to succeed. There are scholarships and free meals in colleges to help students get by. If it weren't for these programs who help those who otherwise could not attend college than a lot of bright people would not be where they are. Plus if you have any criminal record or misdemeanor you do not qualify so the sterotype that it's allowing bad people to live here legally is wrong. HAVE MERCY AND YOU WILL RECIEVE MERCY.

Go out to look for work without your documents. See if you last a week surviving and then speak. As an American you are preveliged do not take that for granted. This is no joke.

Maria go back to the country your documented in and get a job.

How about the same criteria for *staying* in the country. I'm sure we could get rid of a lot of "waste" if we did that for all people, including the ones just lucky enough to be born here. Are you okay with that? I'm sure that I'd be welcomed to stay... how about you?

Matt - "I'm sure that I'd be welcomed to stay"

Who says liberals aren't elitist, smug, self-aggrandizing, morons?

I guess the same people who say rednecks aren't racist.

Some should read this book:

Black Rednecks and White Liberals

http://www.tsowell.com/Rednecks.htm

Who said I was a liberal? You're pretty apt to make assumptions. I know why I'd be welcomed to stay -- I'm a law-abiding citizen, well-educated, and I work in the sciences as a technical specialist -- I actually *do* science. Last time I checked, we were trying to focus our industry on STEM and research-based interests, as it drives the economy forward. What exactly do *you* bring to the table, so to speak?

as if when romney wins (if Romney wins), he'll prescribe a massive manhunt for all illegal immigrants in the United States. no, he just won't make it easy for them become citizens. we'll still have the same number of illegal immigrants.

Are you effing nuts?? If your idiotic view were true, we would have no unemployments, land would be free, and we sure would not need Middle East oil. Any chance you live on another planet or is it drugs?

Lightning - I was being VERY sarcastic. We are going down to this Liberal BS. It has to stop one way or the OTHER.

Ease up, lightning. Can't you smell sarcasm?

Right on, Both. We have excellent printing presses that can make more money anytime we need it!

Sarcasm? I thought it was Obama talking! Yes we can! Mmm.. Mmmm...Mmmm!

Bad plan

Amen!

WTF are you doing in Safeway??

It's our only grocery store that is close!

You Lie!

Is 2010 the year you were born or the year you snuck across the border?

If all the illegals are deported, how is wal mart going to stay in business. They will loose most of their customers and half of the employees. DEPORT all illegals.

We all need to stop and take a deep breath.First of all if we are sending immigrants back were they came form we all need to leave and give the Indains there land because it because we all are illegal.There land was stoleing form them.We need to all just try to get along with each other.If you do not have papers yes then leave.Bottom line get a grip.

because they had brown skin and you can't understand them, they're illegal. you must be from arizona...

You're assuming they don't speak English and Spanish.

Charles, amen brother!