'Crazy': Dozens of dead birds fall from the sky in New Jersey

Residents in a Cumberland County, N.J., community were left wondering what caused dozens of birds to drop dead from the sky earlier this week.

Residents along Peach Drive in Millville found at least 80 dead birds -- mostly red-winged blackbirds -- on the ground, having fallen from trees and the sky.

"Crazy -- something out of a movie," said resident Michelle Cavalieri, who saw the birds fall.

The birds caused a bloody mess on roadways in the residential neighborhood.

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"They’d get up and try and fly and they were out of control so they’d crash and fall again," said resident Jim Sinclair. "It was just strange."

Animal control, public health officials and other emergency crews were on the scene Tuesday morning collecting dead birds to try and figure out exactly what caused so many of them to die.

Cumberland County Public Information Officer Troy Ferus said the birds' death likely was caused by something they ate -- a granular pesticide put down legally by nearby Ingraldi Farms.

One of dozens of birds that was found dead on the ground in Millville, N.J.

"Preliminary investigation gives us the impression that.. he had problems with birds," said Ferus. "He applied for and got a permit for a product that kills birds and that’s what it seems to have been effective at doing."

Here is the county's press release on the incident: 

The Department of Health reports that Monday evening Ingraldi Farms applied a granular pesticide intended and approved to cull birds, causing an unusually high volume of dead birds in the area of Ingraldi Farms and Whitemarsh Estates in Millville.

The material used; Avitrol Double Strength Corn Chops (EPA reg. # 11649-5) is approved by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and intended to be used for bird control for Blackbirds, Brewer's Blackbirds, Cowbirds, Grackles, Red-Winged Blackbirds, Rusty Blackbird, Starlings and Yellow-Headed Blackbirds.

In the past, Ingraldi Farms has also used Avian Control (EPA reg. # 33162-1) a ready to use liquid repellent intended to be used for bird control for Geese, Gull, Pigeon, Crows, Starlings, House Sparrows, Blackbirds, Grackles and House Finches.

Ingraldi Farms is licensed through the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection to apply pesticides on their farms and has been working with the New Jersey Division of Fish and Wildlife to alleviate the crop damage done by large flocks of birds. Remedies include auditory shock, hunting and pesticides. Ingraldi Farms has estimated a crop loss of $15,000 so far, due to the birds eating their crops.

Bird specimens have been collected and are being sent to the NJ-Department of Environmental Protection Laboratory for testing.

No one at Ingraldi Farms would talk to NBC10's Ted Greenberg when he went there for comment.

Officials say the dead birds are not toxic, but that any member of the public that encounters a dead bird should use gloves when picking it up and wash their hands thoroughly after handling and disposing of it in the trash.

But they put out a call to residents Tuesday afternoon that urged residents to remain inside "due to an odor and the death of several birds in the area."

Recently, bird kills have happened in various locations around the world -- possibly none more famous than the New Year’s Eve death of hundreds of blackbirds in Arkansas.

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Once again, $$$ trumps life. When we get to the point where vast numbers of animals need to die in order for our species to make a living, or gain more $$, then we as a species are doomed. I speak of marine mammals (Navy sonar testing), bees, birds rodents(industrial use of pesticides, herbicides, etc.), fresh water creatures(runoff of pesticides, pharmaceuticals, etc). The list is long and frightening. And while we make $$, we spread the seeds of our own destruction. Does no one realize that we humans also live on this Earth and breathe the same air and drink the same water?

  • 73 votes
#1 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:32 AM EDT

Amen JoJo...the human species is on an arrogant, self-imposed-importance - fast track to doom.

And we deserve it.

  • 38 votes
#1.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:53 AM EDT

Errr... a vast number of species die in record quantities every day for cash and career: Cows, pigs, lambs, etc. If we are doomed for it, it was an evolutionary issue with us being carnivores/omnivores.

Anyway, screw the birds. The use of poison probably turned a failing farm into a sustainable one. Farming is not big money.

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:01 AM EDT

I do JoJo and I'm so ashamed to call myself human at times. Our arrogance and demands on this earth have destroyed more than we'll ever even began to realize and we just keep killing. Someday we'll wake up and find that the earth has expelled us and with damn good reason.

  • 25 votes
#1.3 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:06 AM EDT

Why do we need government regulations when jobs are at stake? Businesses must be free to rape and pillage the environment in the name of the almighty Dollar... that is the current GOP platform

  • 22 votes
#1.4 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:07 AM EDT

What a really cold heartless way to solve their issues.So should a book be written and prices now be listed on all species accordingly to let people know how much each is worth? Maybe then companies can hire someone to remove the problem.Just think, how easy to count up the profits and rub the hands together in greed with dollar signs. Then when everything that is standing in man's way of progress is removed,he can gloat over how rich he is, on a barren planet, all by himself.

Life has no value and it is only measured according to how much it can earn a company money. My grandmother had a wonderful solution that so many businesses could learn from. Something passed down from generations in her ancestry. When planning a garden, always plant some extra to thank nature and provide for her other children.It is making up for taking over the space they used to get food from, to feed you family.The table won't be bare, from her children starving. We would call this living with nature.Mildred said feed the littlest lives and they will get all their friends to help feed you. Then she would go make a bowl of oatmeal and take it to a spot by a field for the ants. Who were never interested in her home.

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#1.5 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:07 AM EDT

Our over-consumption, wastefulness, and overall gluttonous behavior has nothing to do with us being omnivores.

The record #'s you speak of is due to factory farming (which also causes the majority of food born bacteria) and the handful of companies that make big $ off it.

While I admit the number of birds that died here is small looking at the big picture.

But also looking at the same big picture I pose a few questions.

Is it normal or natural for birds to just drop dead from the sky ?

Are there other alternatives besides poisoning these birds ?

What will happen to the humans that eat this pesticide tainted food ? Surely, well hopefully, we won't start dropping dead, but can anyone guarantee that by eating this a person won't get cancer 20 years from now ? Or have a child with birth defects or developmental issues ? No, they can give you a hypothesis, but no guarantee.

  • 24 votes
#1.6 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:07 AM EDT

We're doomed. Pretty soon we're going to have to start cloning in order to feed the populace, either that or turn into zombies.

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:08 AM EDT

@thepunisher - We will turn to eating the fungus that grows on our dead...

  • 5 votes
#1.8 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:15 AM EDT

Thepunisher said;

Pretty soon we're going to have to start cloning in order to feed the populace, either that or turn into zombies.

Please pass the Soylent Green...

  • 6 votes
#1.9 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:43 PM EDT

The point you are missing is - IF this pesticide kills birds and it is being applied to the crops that we eventually eat, wouldn't one expect to believe we are eating that same damned poison...

And consider this. IF we are infact consuming these chemicals what kind of genetic damage are we causing ourselves for our future generations. We already see increased rates of autism and adhd, downs syndrome and rises in cancer rates. COMMON SENSE tells you not to screw with what NATURE provides...

  • 24 votes
#1.10 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:47 PM EDT

Lovely. Birds eating your crops? No problem. Just poison your crops. What could possibly go wrong?

  • 23 votes
#1.11 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:00 PM EDT

then we eat those poison crops...YUM

  • 12 votes
#1.12 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:16 PM EDT

We are already "PARASITES" and Zombies and maybe even a Disease. All at our own hands,We've taken GOD out of everything and are trying to become gods ourselves. And it's not going to work for long,but its all good just keep on rolling folks, getting faster and faster and faster, i promise there is a wall.

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#1.13 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:39 PM EDT

Who cares? These birds are basically oversized rats with wings.

But on the plus side, perhaps we can use them to feed the poor for a couple weeks rather than wasting money on bridge cards that allow them to shop for frozen dinners and fried foods all day. Remember, when God closes a door, he opens a window.

And you really have to love all the tree-hugging hippies that vilify the entire human race. It's called natural selection; we're the strongest species in the world, so according to the natural order of things, it would only make sense for our species to dominate all natural resources at the expense of others. Remember, all of you live in a home that was once something's habitat, you all polute, you all buy products and use energy resources that result in additional 'raping' of our planet. So until you hypocrits are willing to turn off your computers, sleep in tents and live off the land you really have no right to complain.

  • 5 votes
#1.14 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:48 PM EDT

More signs of the return of Nibiru 12/21/12!

  • 4 votes
#1.15 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:48 PM EDT

What a bunch of @!$%#TARDS Maybe the birds should get a permit out to reduce the population of Un humans

What does this farmer grow?

  • 4 votes
#1.16 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:54 PM EDT

Lovely. Birds eating your crops? No problem. Just poison your crops. What could possibly go wrong?

^this.

But don't worry, I hear that "Avitrol Double Strength Corn Chops (EPA reg. # 11649-5)" is perfectly safe for human consumption. The company that makes it and sells it for profit told me so...

  • 10 votes
#1.17 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:05 PM EDT

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ingraldi-Farms/123270914352704

Quick, post your comments. LOL, Ingraldi is going to take their Facebook page down at the end of the day because people are complaining about how they murdered the birds. Boo hoo! So glad I eat organic.

  • 5 votes
#1.18 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:10 PM EDT

Sharktopussie, lol yeah I was just there reading comments.

  • 1 vote
#1.19 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:13 PM EDT

Maybe poison, more than likely HAARP causing mass deaths of birds, dolphins, fish, amphibians, (around the world) watch the video, and it will scare the crap out of you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SToVBicIrJU

  • 2 votes
#1.20 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:15 PM EDT

But the in-air bird deaths aren't due to some apocalyptic plague or insidious experiment—they happen all the time, scientists say. The recent buzz, it seems, was mainly hatched by media hype.

At any given time there are "at least ten billion birds in North America ... and there could be as much as 20 billion—and almost half die each year due to natural causes," said ornithologist Greg Butcher, director of bird conservation for the National Audubon Society in Washington, D.C.

But what causes dead birds to fall from the sky en masse? The Arkansas case points to two common culprits: loud noises and crashes.

  • 1 vote
#1.21 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:41 PM EDT

Researches find evidence that New Jersey toxic to small animals? This and more tonight on News at 10!

  • 3 votes
#1.22 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:15 PM EDT

In the past month, I've had one of these birds fall on my windshield while driving to work and two more have died after flying straight into my first floor office window. I'm in Louisiana. And I'm looking for a better answer than this guy's pesticides...

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#1.23 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:48 PM EDT

Chemtrails................

    #1.24 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:51 PM EDT

    Skeptical-350146, what major corporation do you work for?

    Tom Marvolo, the companies that manufacture the poisons also view human beings as just talking rats.

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    #1.25 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:54 PM EDT

    Uhm not for nothing but has anyone seen the recent crop devastation resulting from the drought in the midwest? We can't afford to lose anymore crops. I'm sure you'll all be plenty concerned about money when you go to the grocery store and food is triple what it is now.

      #1.26 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:14 PM EDT

      I guess the lesson is to stay away from anything like, 'Humitrol Double Strength Pork Chops'.

      • 1 vote
      #1.27 - Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:48 AM EDT

      I guess none of you people have seen how fast these blackbirds multiply, they darken the sky around feed lots and actually eat enough of the feed that pigs, and cattle are starving from the massive flocks that invade these places. Also these flocks get so large due to man having an abundant food supply avail. They also defecate in the feed causing and spreading disease. so steps have to be taken to control their numbers. And if you read the article better it says it is a treated bait they put out it is not put on crops.

      • 1 vote
      #1.28 - Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:48 PM EDT

      You mean he farmes don't just plo that bck into the ground at the end of the season? Sonext year, the plants will grow in the same soil?

      No, don'tworry - its not being put - on - the food we eat, it just grows in soil, contaminated by the left overs.

        #1.29 - Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:39 AM EDT

        humans everything we do is destructful nothing but fools

          #1.30 - Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:10 AM EDT

          The things the government allows in food should be a crime its all about the end dollar not about your health

            #1.31 - Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:15 AM EDT

            beowulf no they don't just plow it back into the ground your obviously not a farmer or you wouldn't be trying to be a smart ass the bait is put out at feed lots not Fields it is also put out outside of the pens so the livestock cant get to it but the birds can you don't farm feed lots so get a job on a farm for a while before shooting off your mouth and use spell check

              #1.32 - Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:56 PM EDT
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              Being able to poison birds just seems wrong. There should be another way to do pest control besides poisoning birds. Scarecrow? Noise? Inviting owls to nest on the farm?

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              Reply#2 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:33 AM EDT

              Stray cats. They work cheap and do a better job.

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              #2.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:16 PM EDT

              Maybe a solution would be to contact a wildlife rehabber who has foxes or coyotes. Ask any farmer how coyotes wait on the sideline of fields during harvest time to catch all the rodents hiding in the field. They could always get two Austrailian shepards to monitor the fields instead of using pesticides. BTW organic food looks more and more appealling after reading this article.

              • 4 votes
              #2.2 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:32 PM EDT

              Owls would be a possibility, unfortunately they are on the endangered list.

              So much for "land management". The barbarians are inheriting the earth.

              • 1 vote
              #2.3 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:54 PM EDT

              "Here in New Jersey, we poison our wildlife"

              • 2 votes
              #2.4 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:02 PM EDT

              Unfortunately, the same type that wants to poison the birds, also wants to kill all of the cats, foxes, and coyotes.

              The real answer is to ban the manufacture of these substances. If anyone is too ignorant as to think that is impossible, they are not familiar with the organic gardens that are in existence.

              • 1 vote
              #2.5 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:59 PM EDT
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              Comment author avatarmt. manExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

              Did Snookie spread her legs? Stench would probably kill anything in the area.

              • 10 votes
              Reply#3 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:34 AM EDT

              Her boyfriend Jionni Lavalle, lowlife opened his mouth.

              • 2 votes
              #3.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:43 AM EDT

              I don't think snookie has to do that, but walk by.

                #3.2 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:09 AM EDT

                Maybe Christie "burped" or let out some gas.

                  #3.3 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:42 AM EDT

                  HAHAHAHAHA - another Jersey proud beauty.

                    #3.4 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:54 AM EDT
                    Reply

                    Please nobody start the "This is a sign of the Apocalypse" comments.

                    Aww hell, now I've started it.

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                    Reply#4 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:37 AM EDT

                    Finally, someone says the truth!!! This is one of the main signs mentioned in the Apocalypse book!

                    :)

                    • 5 votes
                    #4.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:39 AM EDT

                    Well, December is just around the corner. Better start investing in an ark.

                    • 1 vote
                    #4.2 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:10 AM EDT

                    I'm hearing this time it will be fire and brimstone. Arks won't help.

                    • 2 votes
                    #4.3 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:16 AM EDT

                    I wanted to tie this in with Monsanto spreading not only the genetic modified seeds around the world, but also the pesticides filled with agent orange. Would it be appropriate to add that conspiracy here, or should I start my own?

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                    #4.4 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:19 AM EDT

                    You'll be happy to know the story made the Armageddon online site..

                    http://www.armageddononline.org/dead-birds-new-jersey.html

                    Its official now.

                    • 5 votes
                    #4.5 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:43 AM EDT
                    Reply

                    New Jersey sucks so bad that the birds were sucked from the sky.

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                    Reply#5 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:39 AM EDT

                    Another ignorent comment Ray.

                    So which states make the so-called "Toxic 20" list?

                    Here they are, from worst to best:

                    1. Ohio
                    2. Pennsylvania
                    3. Florida
                    4. Kentucky
                    5. Maryland
                    6. Indiana
                    7. Michigan
                    8. West Virginia
                    9. Georgia
                    10. North Carolina
                    11. South Carolina
                    12. Alabama
                    13. Texas
                    14. Virginia
                    15. Tennessee
                    16. Missouri
                    17. Illinois
                    18. Wisconsin
                    19. New Hampshire
                    20. Iowa

                    Read more: http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/states-worst-air-pollution-0722#ixzz23d0hx1S4

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                    #5.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:16 AM EDT

                    Sorry, but I lived in NJ. The air in many places stank and the water did too. The south part of the state is beautiful, but some of the air and water smell there, too. Add Superfund sites and some areas where the air is really bad and yellow or gray, and you couldn't convince me that someone who says NJ air is toxic would be considered ignorant. I've lived in several of those states listed and I agree that some aren't the best air quality, but toxic? NJ and NY both have really toxic areas...you try crossing the street with all the exhaust in NYC or driving in northern NJ especially...you will keep your windows up and it still smells.

                    Yes, I know toxicity isn't the same as a smell necessarily, but we lived in a pretty area of NJ in two places and couldn't open the windows for the smell, so you can disagree if you like, but thinking it is toxic there isn't ignorant.

                    • 1 vote
                    #5.2 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:54 AM EDT

                    DeweyDan - Oh, you are so right.

                    • 1 vote
                    #5.3 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:55 AM EDT
                    Reply

                    Jersey and New York the most polluted states in the US. What did you expect ?

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#6 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:40 AM EDT

                    Officials say the dead birds are not toxic, but that any member of the public that encounters a dead bird should use gloves when picking it up and wash their hands thoroughly after handling and disposing of it in the trash.

                    Maybe the company should go and clean up the mess they made.

                    • 18 votes
                    Reply#7 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:40 AM EDT

                    The farmer and his workers should be forced to do a thorough cleanup.

                    • 2 votes
                    #7.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:08 PM EDT

                    they want you to wear gloves because wild birds carry diseases and lice among others that you shouldn't Handel. But I do agree that the company should have a responsibility to clean up the mess.

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.2 - Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:53 PM EDT
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                    So just go pick up all of the birds, take them to Ingraldi Farms and throw them all over the property, preferably in the bushes, on the roof etc, and let them enjoy the fruits of their labor!

                    • 27 votes
                    Reply#8 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:40 AM EDT

                    We humans suck!

                    • 7 votes
                    Reply#9 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:41 AM EDT

                    Nipples? Wieners? Libido? Tongues? Common lady, give a dude a hint.

                    • 2 votes
                    #9.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:12 AM EDT

                    "Come on" not "Common" you mental midget, the only thing prove with your comment is your obvious lack of understanding on how to properly use words in the English language.

                    • 4 votes
                    #9.2 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:56 PM EDT
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                    Shameful that these farms kill anything just trying to survive, and clearly can't control how many birds are killed.

                    • 8 votes
                    Reply#10 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:42 AM EDT

                    Obviously, this is affecting many more species than just the 'evil' crop-seed eating birds.

                    • 2 votes
                    #10.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:12 PM EDT
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                    It is very troublesome that our government saw fit to approve a pesticide to kill birds, for use on crops destined for human food. It is also troubling that we have allowed the government to classify birds as pests worthy of extermination.

                    Despite the terrible drought, crop yields are only down 13% for the year. We export massive amounts of food and we subsidize the entire farm industry. Something smells really bad here, besides the rotting birds.

                    • 16 votes
                    Reply#11 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:43 AM EDT

                    been to Millville...beautiful town with a nice racetrack and older airport...nothing scary there...wierd

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#12 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:44 AM EDT

                    I grew up in the next town over from Millville. Those birds probably died of boredom!

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#13 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:46 AM EDT

                    please refer to the famous Joanie Mitchell song "Big Yellow Taxi". people should boycott the farm's products. I will once i find out what they produce.

                    • 8 votes
                    Reply#14 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:47 AM EDT

                    Seems to be just a local farm with fruits and vegies. But the bad reviews have begun with people upset over this.

                    http://www.yelp.com/biz/ingraldi-farms-millville

                    • 5 votes
                    #14.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:52 AM EDT

                    Not sure what it is but I am sure it wasn't organic.......

                    • 2 votes
                    #14.2 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:10 PM EDT
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                    I was gonna go with Aliens, but now that I read intentional poisoning I might change my mind.

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#15 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:54 AM EDT

                    So the poison kills the birds then we are supposed to consume the crops??? Not to mention the cruelty behind poisoning the birds. It's scary that this is legal. I am going to stick with own garden.

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#16 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:55 AM EDT

                    Just a little trivia, but all of those who believe in any kind of apocalypse need to get their own gardens.

                    • 1 vote
                    #16.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:16 PM EDT
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                    i think politicians are pests.. perhaps we should sprinkle some pesticide on their grains.. God forbid Chris "fatass" Christie wont get his hoagie.

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#17 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:55 AM EDT

                    What do U expect from New Jersey. The ARMPIT of America. I fall over dead, too.

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#18 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:55 AM EDT

                    Beats living in the south. although NJ requires at least ten teeth for residency.

                    Heartland??? The areas with the greatest pollution?

                    • 2 votes
                    #18.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:18 AM EDT

                    R. Scalzo. If u live n the SOUTH which I DON'T.Which sounds like U DO, then they r the left and right cheek's of America's A$$. With Louisiana having the a-hole.

                    'nuff said.

                    • 2 votes
                    #18.2 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:20 PM EDT
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                    My main problem is just how many birds and other wildlife did they kill? Do they have any clue? Or do they just lay poison not caring how much is killed? And out government allows this?

                    • 6 votes
                    Reply#19 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:56 AM EDT

                    One wonders what happens to other creatures that may consume these poisoned birds. One of the homeowners family cats for example or other predators that enjoy birds. There are fake owls and scarecrows that actually move to frighten birds away from the crops. Also propane cannons have been used successfully as the time between detonation of the noise of the cannon can be changed in timing so the birds don't get used to a 'constant' in the noise. There's been way too many cases of birds dying and I can't remember hearing about what was decided in those incidents. Does anyone else?

                    • 7 votes
                    Reply#20 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:57 AM EDT

                    Also trained dogs like they use on airport runways they are very effective

                      #20.1 - Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:06 PM EDT
                      Reply

                      ...

                      My guess?

                      This was caused by the failed Bush policies.

                      ...

                        Reply#21 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:57 AM EDT

                        If we allow the birds to die, then the terrorists have won!

                          #21.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:07 PM EDT

                          Hey look man, either you are with us, or you are with the birds.

                            #21.2 - Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:26 AM EDT
                            Reply

                            Birds are fallin'

                            Baby, so are we

                            • 5 votes
                            Reply#22 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:58 AM EDT

                            The population of RWB's in the United States is estimated at 200,000,000. They will still be fine at 199,999,920 give or take a few.

                            Let's face it - if this farmer had imported non-native hawks or other birds of prey to "naturally" remove this species from damaging their farm, many of the people in this thread would be fawning all over them for being "environmentally correct" and in harmony with nature even if there were bird remnants all over and the hawks were indiscriminately snacking on other rarer species of bird.

                            Ingraldi Farms is stated to be a farmer's market-type producer of fruits and vegetables. They probably don't have another $15K to give away in free bird feed. Their employees probably don't feel like giving up their wages to feed birds. I doubt the county they are in wants to just forgive them $15K+ off their various local tax bills so a bunch of pest birds can snack away.

                            If something had already succeeded in taking $15K from me, was coming back for more, and I had a legal way of stopping it, I would. So would everyone else on here that acts all self-righteous about this.

                            • 7 votes
                            Reply#23 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:01 AM EDT

                            Steve-1167608,

                            Do you by any chance own guns? Death seems to be your mind set

                            • 4 votes
                            #23.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:08 AM EDT

                            http://www.yelp.com/biz/ingraldi-farms-millville I left my thoughts for the company. Anyone else?

                            • 1 vote
                            #23.2 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:21 AM EDT

                            Nope, not a gun owner. Although I do support the 2nd. Amendment.

                            Also happen to support a company that LEGALLY followed what were no doubt byzantine rules and regulations to get a product to get rid of a pest. To paraphrase that old philosopher's conundrum, I doubt anyone would have heard about these birds if they had fallen dead in an unpopulated forest...

                            You can bet this farm is not the first or last farm to do this. NJ did not write special rules and regulations and procedures for just these people.

                            I feel bad for this farm that they were singled out and ended up on national news and now have people knocking them on their website for following the law. I could understand it if they were using an illegal chemical or such, but everything about them in the article says they are following the law to the letter.

                            • 3 votes
                            #23.3 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:02 PM EDT

                            If something had already succeeded in taking $15K from me, was coming back for more, and I had a legal way of stopping it, I would. So would everyone else on here that acts all self-righteous about this.

                            Right. And that's why we have laws that restrict what they can do. Because otherwise we'd have DDT all over our food...and god know what kind of poison they'd be using on rodents and birds. Yeah, their crop yields would be huge...and the people eating their food would probably lose a years off their life. But what's a few years off someone else's life compared to increasing profits...not a thing to the farmer...or the companies that have a financial interest in the warm.

                            • 2 votes
                            #23.4 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:09 PM EDT

                            Reminds me of Revelation in the bible. End times?

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                            #23.5 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:05 PM EDT

                            You know...people having been seeing signs of the "end times" for millennia. What makes you think this is it now?

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                            #23.6 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:58 PM EDT

                            One can only hope.

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                            #23.7 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:16 PM EDT

                            Steve you are correct. And the best part is that importing non-native species to take care of a problem doesn't always work and sometimes creates new issues as well. An example is the importing of mongoose to help with the rodent problem in Hawaii. Unfortunately they fed during the day while rodents were active at night...as a result they eat more native birds, eggs of turtles and ground nesting birds, etc. and did nothing to control rodents. While I would certainly prefer that the pesticide not be on the food that will be consumed by humans I have no problem with controlling the population of birds. Its done with pigeons around the country. Population control due to excessive food and an imbalance in natural predators. Better that than have them overrun multiple farms...because after they put this farm out of business they will just move on to the next.

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                            #23.8 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:57 PM EDT
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                            Did the birds go swimming and get stabbed by needles?

                              Reply#24 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:03 AM EDT

                              It's the 'Happening' except this time for animals........

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                              Reply#25 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:04 AM EDT
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