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DREAM Act students march in front of the Arizona Capitol on Wednesday after Gov. Jan Brewer said the state will not give young undocumented immigrants who qualify for a deportation reprieve any public benefits, including driver's licenses.
Legal experts say they expect a court challenge to Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer’s order denying driver’s licenses and public benefits to young undocumented immigrants who qualify to stay in the U.S. under a new Obama administration program.
Brewer on Wednesday signed an executive order reiterating that state agencies are required to deny licenses and other taxpayer-funded public benefits to “unlawfully present aliens.” That includes those undocumented immigrants who are approved to stay and work in the U.S. for another two years under the federal government’s new Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.
“The issuance of Deferred Action or Deferred Action USCIS employment authorization documents to unlawfully present aliens does not confer upon them any lawful or authorized status and does not entitle them to any additional public benefit,” Brewer’s order said.
Wednesday was the first day that certain immigrants who arrived in the U.S. unlawfully as children could apply for the right to stay in the U.S. for two years, with possibility of renewal, without being deported. To be eligible, immigrants must prove they arrived in the U.S. before they turned 16, are 30 or younger, have been living in the country at least five years and are in school or graduated or served in the military. They cannot have been convicted of certain crimes or otherwise pose a safety threat.
In addition to driver’s licenses, Brewer's order bars undocumented immigrants who qualify for the deportation reprieve from public benefits that include state-subsidized child care; KidsCare, a children's health-insurance program; unemployment benefits; business and professional licenses and government contracts, Brewer spokesman Matthew Benson told The Republic newspaper.
President Obama's new program covers more than 1 million people brought to the U.S. as illegal immigrants. Applicants around the country say they no longer have to live in the shadows. NBC's Mark Potter reports.
"As the (Department of Homeland Security) has said repeatedly ... these individuals do not have lawful status," Benson told The Republic. "They are able to remain in the country and not be deported and not be prosecuted, but they do not have lawful status."
Evelyn Cruz, an Arizona State University clinical law professor and director of the Immigration Law & Policy Clinic, said she expects a legal challenge because Brewer’s order might conflict with federal statutes. “Whenever you have something murky you’re going to have lawsuit,” she told NBC News on Thursday.
Cruz noted that the REAL ID Act of 2005, a federal law that modified requirements for state driver’s licenses and ID cards, specifically listed immigrants who have been granted “deferred action” as among groups of people eligible for a license.
“For something this significant I would not be surprised if there were multiple groups that end up challenging this order,” said Regina Jefferies, a Phoenix immigration lawyer and chair of the Arizona chapter of the American Immigration Lawyers Association.
She said Brewer’s order conflicts with both state and federal law.
Immigrants in Arizona have in the past been granted “deferred action” for other reasons long before the new Childhood Arrivals program was announced, Jefferies said.
“Brewer quoted the correct statute but problem is the state laws interchangeably use ‘legal status’ and ‘lawful presence’ like they mean the same thing. They don’t. They mean very different things under federal immigration law,” she said.
“The state of Arizona has regularly issued licenses to people lawfully present in the U.S. even though they don’t have lawful status.”
In contrast, California's Department of Motor Vehicles says it will issue driver's licenses to young illegal immigrants once the Obama administration grants them work permits. A 1993 California law bans driver's licenses for illegal immigrants, but the DMV will treat as "temporary legal residents" anyone who qualifies for the deportation relief program, meaning the state ban won't apply to them, DMV spokesman Mike Marando said Wednesday, according to an article in the Mercury News.
Arizona immigrant groups upset with Brewer’s directive marched to the state Capitol on Wednesday night in protest.
"She shattered my dreams today," said one of the protesters, Lorenzo Santillan, 24, of the Arizona Dream Act Coalition, The Republic reported.
Arizona passed one of the nation’s toughest anti-illegal immigration laws in the country, SB 1070, in 2010 and Brewer, a harsh critic of President Barack Obama's immigration policy, has characterized Obama’s new deferral program as amnesty. The U.S. Supreme Court in June struck down key provisions of the Arizona law but let stand one requiring police to check the status of someone they suspect is not in the United States legally.
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required to deny licenses and other taxpayer-funded pubic benefits to “unlawfully present aliens.” so they have to shave?
Jan "has did" Brewer champions another policy of stupidity, and just plain mean and vindictive, at the taxpayers' expense, again.
If she wants to deny state paid healthcare, foodstamp benefits, fine.
But throwing down road blocks for these people to keep them from becoming PRODUCTIVE members of our community, contributing towards our economy, paying taxes, driving with licenses and insurance IS STUPID! Cut-off your nose to spite your face STUPID!
And let's be clear about this. For Brewer (and her handlers) this is about keeping up the anti-immigration rhetoric band wagon they've been riding on, at our expense, taxpayers' expense. Her handler is CCA's (private prison company) lobbyist ... and they're making a killing off taxpayers' jailing aliens. Google it, check out how this company was on the brink of bankruptcy ten years ago and now are making billions - all paid for BY US!
As a life-long Democrat, I support Governor Brewer's actions. Obama's authoritarian directive to grant amnesty and special treatment (including licenses and work permits) is outrageous and improper. Obama is digusting!
What is soooo wrong about NOT giving an illegal criminal the benefits the rest of the citizens have? The USA has a policy if you want to come here. Not a big deal. Go through the process and you can come here. Break the law and we should not be acting as if the constitution applies to them. THEY ARENT CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY!
State Voter ID laws standing in the way of your party's election chances? No problem. Simply pitch those pesky Constitutional concepts of seperation of powers and checks and balances to the wind and imperially issue a decree that gives the appearance of commanding that illegals be issued drivers licenses.
Comparing apples to oranges isn't a good debate tactic. To be a tax paying contributor, you have to have a social security card and a job. Those are called LEGALIZED immigrants and nobody has a problem with them. The only "road block" to everyone being legalized is rewarding those who didn't abide by the rules and throwing those already in the legal process of citizenship to the back of the line.
The new policy is not amnesty. It simply gives non-criminal immigrants who were brought here as children permission to stay for a couple of extra years without fear of deportation. This is not a path to citizenship, they are being offered nothing except a stay of deportation and the ability to work (and thereby pay taxes.)They still cannot vote, so this gains President Obama nothing except possibly the gratitude of the USCIS, who now can concentrate on deporting the felony illegals first, then the children who haven't done anything wrong. Basically for those saying it puts them at the front of the line, no it doesn't--it puts them in the BACK of a two year line! That's what 'defer' means--to put off!! They are NOT becoming citizens, this does NOT give them automatic citizenship. Somewhere down the line the president could say 'oh anyone who qualified for the 2012 deferment can have permanent residency but can never qualify for citizenship.'
This policy can be revoked at anytime, making those who applied for it illegal again, and as they have registered with names and addresses, they could be much more easily found and rounded up and sent to deportation camps. Not only that, while this may defer deportation for them, it exposes their parents, and those parents are not covered--the government can start tracking down the parents. These kids know this but to them it's more important that they NOT be lawbreakers nd the WANt to become legal and registered.
Also did you see this in the article?
....REAL ID Act of 2005, a federal law that modified requirements for state driver’s licenses and ID cards, specifically listed immigrants who have been granted “deferred action” as among groups of people eligible for a license.
If Federal law says its OK, it would be 'authoritarian' for a Governor of a state to reject Federal mandate and declare her own law.
Amanda-- The authoritarian amnesty grant is what Obama did. It is amesty, as it affords ILLEGAL immigrants the right to jump ahead of prospective LEGAL immigrants who are patiently waiting their turn and not violating our laws!
Amanda and the rest of you Leftists among us, be honest, what is the NEXT logical step in this saga? The Democrats are going to offer full blown amnesty and or citizen status along with the reverse anchor baby policy where the parents and the entire extended family will be allowed to stay together because it would be too mean and hurtful to split these criminals up just because one of them has legal status now!
If this were true, nobody on the left would have a problem with voter ID requirements.
No, those are state funded services, not federal. They are completely separate issues that just happen to impact the same group of people. Don't forget, this group of people are people who were either denied or never bothered becoming legalized citizens and are a HUGE burden on the taxpayers (minority groups included).
The issuance of drivers licenses has been left to the states, it is not a federal power enumerated in the constitution. As such, it is completely within the rights of the individual states to determine who they will and will not issue a driver's license to. The same applies to other state paid benefits. The federal government does not have the right to tell the states who is eligible for benefits that are being paid with state funds. Obama seems to be ignoring yet another provision of the constitution along with the separation of powers clause, and that is the one about state's rights.
For each person detained, Homeland Security asks Congress for $141 per person, per night, per year--comes out to about $51,000. A private prison like CCA says "we'll hold these people for you for $98 a night"--about $35,000 a year. Homeland Security keeps the $15,000 to add to their budget ($49 million in 2002, $98 billion last year) and the private prison cuts corners in order to pour money into lobbyists who wine and dine public figures to influence passing more laws that will give the detention system more detainees. Hence the NDAA for FY2012, with it's mandatory indefinite detention without charge or trial clause, and the upcoming Enemy Expatriation Act which will strip citizenship from US citizens if they are suspected (not proved) of supporting terrorism.
From US.Gov website:
Foreign Visitors Driving in the U.S.
Quick facts for foreign visitors about driving in the United States
So it's a state's right, for now. Note: I used "foreigner" for "illegal" in this case, so the legal status part of the equation is "undefined".
This is an excellent move- way to go Governor Brewer! Illegal aliens have no rights and should be thrown out, period, end of story!
It does not put them at the front of the line--it puts them in the BACK of a two year line! That's what 'defer' means--to put off!! They are NOT becoming citizens, this does NOT give them automatic citizenship. Somewhere down the line the next president could say 'oh anyone who qualified for the 2012 deferment can have visas but can never qualify for citizenship.' Or the next president can use it to track them down and deport them all.
And in case you missed it, not all 'illegals' broke the laws--there are immigrants being deported who came here legally, filed paperwork and paid all the fees legally, have been approved for residency, but have been waiting, some for as long as 20 years, for the gvt to get to their paperwork--and then are deported because they don't have the paper even though the government has already said yes they can stay. For some of the people applying for this policy, that gives them another two years for the gvt to get them the paperwork they were already approved for.
Amanda, By what Constitutional power does Obama ignore a duly inacted law. There is no act of Congress authorizing this so called "change of law." The "new policy" ignores the law, is invalid, and is an unconstitutional exercise on the part of Obama who shows no respect for the Constitution whatsoever.
Gov. Jan needs to stay out of the sun... Seriously, this woman is an embarrasment to the state of Arizona...
We are a country of immigrants, get over it...
This country was built on and buy immigrants... The Irish, Italian, Polish, German etc.
Instead of making things difficult for these people,we should be looking for a solution to the immigration problem...
Very uchristian of Arizona's Governor...
Freudian slip?
You mean like having a process where they can apply for citizenship? That's already in place. What do you want to do? Force them?
Separation of Church and State. Why are you so interested in how Christians should treat people breaking the law anyway? Christians are taught to teach a man to fish, not just give him a fish. Teach them to fish by taking away the lack of incentive to become legal tax paying citizens rather than leeching off of everyone elses fish.
Problem is, Federal Law does NOT say it's OK. The Obama Administration has made a possibly illegal administrative decision to not enforce the law. Fine...that can be dealt with later. But, Governor Brewer is well within her authority. Those of you who are giving her a hard time about it, are welcome to give up your job & your benefits as a citizen to pay for these ILLEGALS. That is correct...the proper term is Illegal Alien.
Arizona is a pretty lame place, but Jan Brewer rocks. We have a solution to the immigration problem available: 20 year moratorium on legal immigration, or until all illegals are deported, whichever comes first. UM, the immigrants this country was built by didn't get welfare, didn't get housing, didn't get financial aid for college, didn't get food stamps, and came here openly and legally. If all illegal immigrants were forever barred from any public assistance they can all stay here as far as I am concerned and its easy for me to say that because once the freebies disappeared I'd no issue with the 16 illegals who decided to stay and earn their way.
In typical republican fashion, Brewer is doing everything in her power to prevent certain people from enjoying the benefits that this country has to offer.
What she is doing goes against federal law. What is it about her that prevents her from embracing everyone?
Here is a clue to her and the rest of those that want to follow her lead. This is the United States of America. We have certain federal laws that all states must follow. Until such time (if any) that AZ secedes from the U.S. the state has to follow federal law. States are not allowed to supersede federal law.
She and anyone who promote similar action should be removed from office. Obviously her agenda is paramount in her mind and federal law is meaningless. She shows little to no regard for what the constitution of the U.S. states. There simply is no place for such thought or person in public office.
Allen-968499
Voter ID laws are Poll Tax. They are designed to keep Seniors, Disabled and the Poor, and Democrats from voting. Just ask the Tennessee Representative who was barred from voting in his home county after being in Congress 30 years before he RETIRED from Congress. Eventually they said it was a mistake but not before it was too late to vote. this is a typical Republican't Teaparty device to keep people from voting.
nothing more nothing less.
And thats my opinion.
Don't paint all of us with the same brush.
I am not advocating for illegal immigration. I'm advocating for compassion for special circumstances.
I am a former illegal. I was legally adopted as an infant, never told before my parents passed away in a car accident, then when USCIS lost my adoption paper and came to me for a copy, I didn't have it because I never knew. They decided that made me illegal and sent me to a deportation camp--only to find there was nowhere to deport me to because I don't have a home country-I was abandoned as an infant at an international orphanage with no birth certificate. I wasn't a 'burden' my parent never drew welfare, I went to the best private schools with the best education that my parents could afford, so you cant say 'ALL illegals' are a burden on society.
It took me three years of sitting in a deportation camp writing to every courthouse in every state we'd ever lived in trying to find a copy. So I know how these kids feel--to suddenly find you're 'illegal' after years of going to school here and living like every other kid is a life-changing event. I HAD citizenship for18 years citizenship that my parents bought and paid for when they adopted me, only to have it stripped years later because the government lost my paperwork. All they have to do is say they suspect you're illegal, and you have to prove you aren't--from behind bars in the for-profit private prison/'tent city' like the one I was detained in.
and imagine finding out as an adult--my coworker's mother was deported two days before Christmas last year. She was adopted as a baby from Germany in 1945, but Immigration at the time never told her parents that citizenship was not automatic with adoption. 60+ years later they realize their mistake, call her up and say sorry, we made a mistake 60 years ago, you're not a citizen. give us everything you have and get out. She wasn't allowed to file paperwork to correct the mistake, her belongings were seized as civil asset forfeiture, and she will have t spend the net ten years in Germany where she knows no one, does not speak the language, and the only money she has is what my coworker sends hr from his paycheck. He hopes she will be back in time for her 80th birthday.
She never received welfare, wasn't old enough to qualify for Social Security, passed eVerify at work. Owned her own house and car and sent her son to college, paid taxes every year. You cannot call her an 'illegal who was a drain on our resources.'
I am not denying some may, but not everyone the government deems 'illegal' uses welfare. Many of them ave taken up arms to defend our country,returning only to find that while they were deployed time ran out and they were illegal and deported--or simply wrongly deported. Stories abound of US vets, the mentally ill, and even diplomats being accused of being 'illegal' and deported. even children born abroad to us citizens have been wrongly deported as'illegal.'
Don't those licenses allow them to vote? How would a pollster know the difference?
No Amanda--- Obama's amnesty agenda de facto (and without force of law) grants these ILLEGALS the right to stay here and work. They have not had to pay the fees to apply to come here; they have not had to wait any kind of wait--- they are being granted immediate amnesty and special treatment for a period of two years. Disgusting!
certain people = illegal immigrants
Which federal law requires states to issue services to non citizens? The only one I know of is the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1986 requiring hospitals to treat patients regardless of citizenship. I don't believe there are any laws requiring states to supply drivers licenses to the same individuals.
Yes we do. And the federal laws on illegal citizenship are quite clear. This administration is ignoring those laws.
The same could be said for the current administration by your logic.
Democrats capturing the hispanic vote maybe?
14th amendment:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Sounds like she's following it exactly.
Jan Bruja is at it again!
Hello President Obama, thanks for spitting at the face of potential legal immigrants trying to come here the right way. Way to show how doing the wrong things pay off.
The wicked witch of the SouthWEST is just trying to do what her party could not do for the last two years, put into place an immigration reform bill which authorizes state governments to implement the GOP "final solution" to the rising number of Spanish heritage residents.
The party of stale, pale, males is attempting to use a hateful woman to get done what they can't. Eventually, they will find that they just can't Gerrymander themselves away from losing power to the brown people.
DREAM Beneficiaries Include Middle School Dropouts
"Administration officials confirmed on Tuesday that they have expanded the White House immigration policy for younger illegals to include low-skill immigrants who have not completed middle school or high school. The shift adds roughly 350,000 low-skill immigrants to the Department of Homeland Security policy, which was initially portrayed as including only 800,000 people under the age of 31 when it was announced by President Barack Obama in a Rose Garden statement on June 15," the Daily Caller writes.
"The foreign workers will enter the legal job market alongside the 23 million American citizens who are unemployed or underemployed. Current unemployment rates are especially high among younger Latinos and African-Americans. For example, less than half of young African-American men lack full-time jobs."
Great deal if you are an illegal. If you are a citizen...not so much.
The only benefits forced upon states currently for all regardless of residency status is the EMTALA and Schooling, those are the only benefits where it has been argued everyone has a right to regardless of legal status. Driver's licenses are not a right, they can be revoked (see DUI laws). Welfare is not a right. Sorry liberals, you lose on this point. You have no legal standing for saying what Brewer ordered was illegal.
@Second that... In order to vote you have to be a registered voter. Not have a driver's license. In some states you may need a government issued photo ID to prove your identity when you go to vote (and a driver's license can be used in this manner, in which case the name and address on the ID is compared to the name and address in the voter rolls and the picture is compared to the person standing in front of them, if all match then it is you and you can vote). In some states, you are automatically registered to vote when you get your driver's license if (and here is the important part) you are ELIGIBLE to vote. Lots of people have driver's licenses that are not eligible to vote, being a US citizen is not a requirement, nor is being of voting age. Being a US citizen and being of voting age ARE required to be eligible to vote. See how easy that is?
News Flash for liberals that has been the law in Texas for 10 years now. Must provide a birth certificate, proof of citizenship, or proof of legal residency to DPS to get Texas DL, ID or any other state issued ID.
@Enough,
And in most states you do not have to show any kind of ID. You can just register to vote, and show up and vote. Anyone can do this. I could do it ten times under ten different names. I could vote for my dead father. My wife who is a legal immigrant could register to vote. And if we did any of these things, it would not be voter fraud because according to the Democrats, voter fraud does not exist. Not sure how they can tell that voter fraud does not exist because how would they know that I am not my father when I go to vote? How would they know that my wife is not a citizen if she went to vote? They wouldn't. Both would be fraud, but because they are not allowed to require any kind of proof of citizenship or who we are, they would never catch it.
If the police are not allowed to look for bank robbers and banks are not allowed to report bank robberies, then I guess bank robberies don't happen?
Here in Washington you can use your Mexican ID or school records to prove who you are when getting a drivers license. It is actually spelt out what is valid proof of ID, and they are either US or Mexican documents. For some reason, my wife from China cannot use her Chinese documents to prove her identity. Why do Mexicans get special treatment that people from China do not get?
Obama took an oath of office to enforce the laws of this country. He repeatedly chooses which to enforce and which to not.
Gov. Brewer hit the nail on the head. Give Illegals an inch and they will try to go an extra mile.
As mentioned in a previous post, granting these Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) Illegal entry children rights to remain within the United States is going to lead to an explosion of Social Welfare/Benefits requests and will probably be extended to these Illegal children's FAMILIES.
I wonder how many "children" jumped the fence after Wednesday's deadline with FALSE DOCUMENTS just to get in on the ACTION of FREEBIES paid for by the American taxpayers.
Jim in Auburn.....
Simple Jim.....
The Chinese population is small compared to the Latino population across the State.
The Liberals (City/County/State) just want the Latino vote. That is why there are about 800,000 more registered drivers in Washington State than there are ACTUAL DRIVERS. A check of the Washington State voter registration on-line form does not require you to identify whether or not you are a legal residence.....a DRIVERS LICENSE or some sort of utility bill suffices. Duuuuuh.
Heck, foreigners come from all over the country just to get that Washington State Driver License so they can go back home and use that as identification to get those FREEBIES.
All you need to buy an AK-47 at a gun store is a driver's license. No gun store AK-47's for illegals! Let them buy them at gun shows like the rest of the criminals!
if you have a valid drivers license, you can vote, even if you are a illegal alien.
To AngelicaS et.al.-
You and yours seem to speak as idealogues rather than from an outcome-based philosophy. Consider:
1. You appear to advocate expelling illegals from this country, correct? If so, then you should support any actions which further that cause.
2. What is the end outcome of this Obama policy 2 years from now? Answer: The people who take advantage of it will have the same status after 2 years that they have now. So why the policy? see "3".
3.At the end of 2 years, the government will have the names and addresses of an estimated 1.7 million potential users of this policy. The government will then be able to easily deport a whole bunch of illegals who self-identified themselves without the government spending a dime to identify them not to mention their parents and siblings.
4. I believe you'll find that 800,000 plus per year identified(1.7mil/2 =years of non-deportation) will net us about 10 times the number of possible deportations that we currently get per year.
5. This is GOOD for deportation you idiots. Shut up and let it happen.
So illegal immigrants can serve in the military? I did not know that until i read this article. Seems like a security risk.
illegal, is illegal, is illegal....mexico, keep your trash in your own yard, por favor!! Hey Pedro, don't forget to buy your car insurance while driving illegaly without your drivers license....que is car insurance??
Some of you people writing here will end up with your foot in your mouth, egg on your face, etc. when this gets overturned.
Those receiving deferments must "...prove they arrived in the U.S. before they turned 16, are 30 or younger, have been living in the country at least five years and are in school or graduated or served in the military."
The more educated America's population is the better off we all are, (and some of these posts are questionable).
I can see this going to the US Supreme Court.
Brewer is fighting a no-win situation against a corrupt government ran by a President who flaunts the laws of the United States. But what do you expect from a punk with no class from Chicago. I hope he enjoys his little experiment in tyrannical rule while it last. Because, after November, he will no longer be the President, just another crooked punk from Chicago. And we will finally rid ourselves from that clipped-haired pig Nafat-ass-a-tono from Homeland Security and her crooked lesbian girlfriend who is being sued by several ICE agents for discrimination. Perhaps the next Administration will get real lucky and put the current crooked AG punk in prison for his corrupt practices with the "Fast and Furious" case. Unfortunately, he will probably have shredded all the documents and taken care of any witnesses.
How in the hell this country ever sunk so low in trust and integrity is still amazing to see and hear as more wrongdoings come to light.
And Obama had the mitigating gall to say that we are more respected in the world today than at any time in our history!
The problem I have with those saying that just because they get a drivers license does not mean they can vote is for those states in which you can register to vote at the same time they issue your license. Who is to say that the DMV folks would not falsify their Drivers License if the price was right???? How do you think so many of their parents have drivers licenses yet are here illegally is because they know someone down at the DMV who will forge the ID for them.
I have to ask the republican party or more specifically Mitt why in the hell did you not pick Jan Brewer as your running mate??????? She has more balls then ALL of the so called men in DC.
I have to ask......what is the point of obama doing this?? Could it be the same reason he came out for gay marriage? Or maybe it's the same as repealing "don't ask, don't tell". Ya think it could be just another diversion to get people to forget he has done absolutely NOTHING during almost 4 years to help the US out of the horrible mess it is in? He enjoys getting US citizens fighting against each other. Does that sound like someone you want to continue leading you?
If you took over a job as CEO because the previous person was considered bad for the company and everytime they asked what YOU were doing to help the company, you responded..."well nothing yet, but it's all the fault of the last CEO" How long would they let you continue doing nothing and blaming the last CEO? Not for 4 years I guarantee you!! So then you "change all the office rules" so people will like you more. It's not good for the company, and it sinks into more red ink, but the workers like you because they now get 3 hour lunches. See where this is going?
Please people, open your eyes and see where the currant administration is leading you!
Amanda
So the federal law states they are OK with a state issuing a license... not that the state MUST issue a license. Each state has their own rules and regulations. One of those rules is typically one must be a LEGAL resident of the state. Many also have the questionable rule that one must have a SSN. So if you are NOT a LEGAL resident of the state they are not REQUIRED to issue anything. Licenses are a privilege not a Right.
Amanda
You are mistaken. It is amensty plain and simple. They are here illegally and thus subject to deportation. Obama's illegall order is just deferring the penality while they are going through the steps to become citizens. However, that doesn't change their status as non-citizens
Printz v. USA, the States have no obligation to uphold ANY law passed by the Federal Government (especially when it is no law but an unlawful Executive Order!). The States are sovereign, the Federal Government their servant, whether the dictator in the White House likes it or not.
I wonder in how many foreign countries an American or anyone else for that matter, could just show up and apply for, and get a drivers license + benefits? I'd hazard to guess nowhere else.
Honor...Number 8 for beginners. And I don't see how it's honoring your mother and father be a law breaker in another country. (Let's not go in to the 20% of illegals who come here to lead a life of crime.)
It seems like everyday now I am surprised at the total disregard of our government to protect and defend the United States and the citizens with some type of new story or event. But now I read that illegal immigrants are mad because we won't give them a drivers license. EXCUSE ME?!??! Someone is here in the U.S. illegally and some want to give them DRIVERS LICENSES?? The key word is "ILLEGAL"!! Illegal mean ILLEGAL!! Yes, I'll give them a drivers license - a drivers license that allows them to get in the $#%# bus and take their #ss back to where they came from!!
Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants? I thought I had heard it all but what is scary is tomorrow I will hear yet another ABSURD story about some other disregard for our country. I remember a time when I was proud of this country........... Boy those were the good times..............
Jim in Auburn, are you F'n kidding me, spelt?????? Did you mean Spelled?
Screw all the laws worldwide and have open borders for all.Then only the best, smartest, strongest, or connected people will prosper. To put it another way it is how most zealots (Were all not really Americans/ were from other places) feel above the common bond Americans share. They want to have a tiered society globally, so we might as well start now. No nationalities only people who do and do not. Sarcastic aren't I?
Go Brewer keep doing what you are doing or you will end up like California Broke and underwater for 19 Billion and counting.
Why should Naturalized Americans and Citizens Born in the USofA pay for Illegal Aliens WTF is that @!$%#.
We can barely afford our own lives and now you want me to pay for your medical costs
Go back to the Country you belong then apply like my family did and go through the process 8)
I spent 7 Years so can you
Sincerely
Naturalized American Citizen
Glad to have you aboard Big Al. I'm with you, Obama makes his own laws and you had better obey it. He cares nothing about the Constitution. He needs to be impeached and tried for breaking the laws required to be President.
If Arizona keeps on the path they are currently on, I AM MOVING THERE!
I think a lot of people are forgetting a very fundamental aspect of the United States. While we are a nation built almost entirely on the basis of immigration (Native Americans aside), that will not be my point.
One of the greatest, Fundamental Principles of the United States of America is Justice: 'Righting Wrongs and Correcting Injustices'. Our legislation and courts do this every day. While the process may be slow, we as Americans strive to be good people, good humanitarians, and a righteous example for the rest of the world. Yeah, we screw up. But I think everyone would agree that we DO want to be the best, to be good people...
So I pose this question: Babies and Toddlers brought albeit, illegally to the United States, under no control of their own, by their undocumented parents. They are here now... This is the only country they know.. The only place they have ever lived and breathed.. And their numbers are in the thousands and thousands.. Do we pull a Jan Brewster and deny them Drivers Licenses and their basic identity along with any other Humanitarian Privilege or Right we can think of taking away?? Do we make them criminals? Do we enlist Sheriff Joe Arpaio to round them up, put them in jail? Should we have a National Witch Hunt, where we suspect and tattle on anyone who seems different, or has brown skin of being 'illegal'? NO!! That would be an INJUSTICE! It would be WRONG! Something we as Good, American Citizens have always fought against...
While I can emphasize with the citizens living in Arizona, those who are concerned about our dwindling state and national resources. And while I understand that we do need to tighten our borders, and enact realistic legislation concerning lawful immigration. I can only imagine how much greater of a country we will be, if we embrace these "undocumented" American people. Make them 'Legal', so they may become an asset, and not an enemy to our nation...
"Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen."
It is ludicrous that the fed gov't will try to stop a state from enforcing THEIR laws simply to favor an illegal group of people. Why does obumbo bend over backwards to protect illegals while bending US over on everything else???
She is such a #$@#$...This is her way of telling President Obama to #$#%...This is absolutely sad.
What sad is Obama giving away our country for votes
Obama needs to be told that for selling out America for votes.
Kelli31....YOU ARE SO CORRECT!! And she is a racist, plain and simple! This is involving the CHILDREN...HEAR THAT REPUBLICANS....CHILDREN that had to accompany their parents. Of course, we already know that republicans do not care about humanity...they probably would suggest throw the kids away!!
Joe......PRESIDENT OBAMA is trying to help PEOPLE! You know, as in taxpayers, US, the ones who are paying WA salaries!! You are probably a racist also.
right, you can fight OUR WARS, for us, but that doesn't give you any right to vote or drive or get a real job........
Joe & yabecoo.....you are both idiots!
Not a racist and he is helping the non taxpayers, have to have a ssn to pay taxes
Roni what makes us idiots? I had a neighbor in VA who loved to call right thinking americans idiots with nothing to back up his point of view. Is that you?
What's sad is KING OBAMA raking and scraping for votes and to go so low as to allow illegal's to continue to break the law. Most of these people could have already been citizens considering the time they've been in the US but chose not to do so to prevent having to pay income taxes. Thanks KING OB.
As long as those people aren't U.S. citizens.
Corporate-I haven't served with 1 person that I know of that isn't a US citizen. What facts do you have that we are recruiting illegals to come fight our wars?
If all of these law breakers get drivers licenses' guess who can vote? Who do you think these young law breakers would vote for. Do you who complain about withholding benefits from these poor whining people how deep is your bank account? When your budget is tight and you must make choices what do you eliminate from you expenses. These people did not ask to be here...so go home to your native land and come back properly through the proper channels and application process...there are thousands ahead of you in line and now because of your selfishness they must step further back because your cries of Help me help me I am already here have been taken into account by a president who chose to help you instead of legal and natural citizens. No I have no sympathy for you...Take your law breaking parents, brothers, sisters, aunts, unlces, cousins and all your anchor babies and leave. We do not want you here. Come back when you do it through the proper channels and not when you or yours have sneaked in through the cover of darkness like the thieves you are.
how's this kayner
You get a green card when you join the military. That's called a "legal" immigrant and they aren't impacted by this executive order. The only restriction on a green card holder is that they cannot vote in national elections. If they do, they can be denied permanant citizenship. Everyone standing in line yesterday who held a voter registration card should have been sent home.
CorporateShill: I'll admit, after 3 tours in the desert I didn't even know what Allen just explained. I'm not going to go as far as use what he said as my only argument but when all said and done, those are legal immigrants. At the same time, I won't be blind to the fact that apparently (according to Allen) we will give a green card to join our Armed Services. If this is the case, I don't agree with this practice because we have more than enough citizens that are willing to take this responsibility themselves without the help of non citizens.
Kayner, not exactly just "give" them one, but yes, all foreign nationals in the military have a green card and are legal. Here's the military's own FAQ on it.
http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/army-recruiting-faqs.html
What if I am not a U.S. citizen
Only U.S. citizens or foreign nationals legally residing in the United States with an Immigration and Naturalization Service Alien Registration Card ("Green Card" -- INS Form I-151/551) may apply. Applicants must speak, write and read English fluently.
Don't hold your breath, Olivia. Only conservatives get banned on this site.
Roni106, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
Grover i'm with you, these people are hateful.
Grover
That is the pot calling the kettle black. We are saying that just being deferred does not give them the same rights as American citizens. Open your eyes and read what people are saying before engaging your mouth or in your case your keyboard. Makes you look stupid not us
Sally is HOT!!!
If they go home, they can get one from their country.
Who says they got a home in those countries?
Josh, they didn't have a home here when they arrived, did they? They found one here so they do have some practice at it. Shouldn't have any problems finding or building a shack in Mexico.
Most of the young people applying here never had a home there as they were brought illegally by their parents. Their parents most likely left whatever they called home, so a lot of the deferred action applicants only know the US as their home.
I'm not against deporting illegal immigrants, but those that are applying are doing the right thing by having an education, no criminal record, and show interest on becoming a full legal American. I think we should focus more on those that came yesterday, or are border hopping right now, instead of the young ones that were forced here and only have the US as their home. Also, deporting the scumbag gangbangers, that think they own the entire country.
Same here, except this mandate doesn't apply to those applying to become citizens. It applies to those who are here illegally (aka - not even applying or were rejected).
Now we have to add "those without lawful status" when we say 'illegal immigrant,' or 'undocumented worker,' 'unregistered aliens' and others not lawfully in this country? So when trying to state that we do not like the government's refusal to enforce our laws fully as regards immigration violations amongst others which poorly enforced or completely un-enforced laws add the phrase "Those without lawful status"
Damned this being PC is getting more complicated every day.
Allen said:
Same here, except this mandate doesn't apply to those applying to become citizens. It applies to those who are here illegally (aka - not even applying or were rejected).
If you were rejected there is no recourse. There have been examples of people wanting to emigrate here but when their own country returned the background check results it came up that they were arrested for a political protest and because they have an arrest they can be denied entry.
A Canadian tried to emigrate here and was denied because he wrote a nationally-published paper in 1967 on the effects of LSD on the human brain--a medical facility supervised a drug study and he participated, then wrote his doctoral paper on it. USCIS denied his application to emigrate on the grounds of 'admitted drug use' and forbade him from ever entering the US again. There's no appeal.
It does apply to 'those applying to become citizens'. Many of these kids applying have paperwork turned into USCIS and are just waiting for the gvt to get to their applications. FYI--USCIS is so backlogged that it can take as long as 16-20 years for them to get to your paperwork, and until they do, you're 'undocumented'. That's the difference between 'undocumented' and 'illegal'--and until you have the paper, you can be deported as an illegal even if you have paperwork in progress.
By signing up for this deferment, some of these kids bought USCIS an extra two years to get their paperwork done.
OK.....my dad snuck into Texas and robbed 6 banks.....can I keep the money? According to obama it's not MY FAULT dad broke the law and is a criminal. So hand over all the goodies and let me go my merry way.
Amanda....how many of these kids have applied for citizenship? I would say less than 10. That is a ridiculous answer and you are grasping at straws. No one has a problem with LEGAL immigrants. It is with obama trying to get the Hispanic vote by breaking the law with an executive order. With the shape the US is in, obama needs to consider what US citizens want.
Amanda-2017567
Try again... no one under the age of 18 can use a regular application for citizenship/entry. There are exceptions but not many who entered before age 16, still under 30, and here 5 years or more would meet the special criteria for irregular application.
Extreme example... not the norm... usually reasons that it takes so long.
Ironically 30 years old would be someone who was brought here around the previous AMNESTY that was supposed to FIX the entire illegal immigration issue. Perhaps only a coincidence but still IRONIC.
So how long before you trot out how your life was turned upside down because your paperwork was not in order? Or do I have you confused with another Amanda?
Illegal is illegal, end of story. They should not be issuing anything to these people other than a ticket back to where they came from.
How bout a map and a pair of second hand shoes and send walking back the same way they came in
Illegal is illegal, end of story.
Um you realize that those immigrants here under this act wil be here LEGALLY. Makes your argument moot.
Yea Johnny that happens when you have a panderer and chief you ignores Federal immigration laws and legislated by executive fiat just to get some more votes on election day. Obama thinks the U S Constitution comes in 2 ply.
johnny, those people that you euphemistically refer to as "immigrants" and are being offered amnesty, are law breakers, stealing freedom and resources from all law abiding American citizens. This is where breaking the law DOES pay, as long as you vote Democrat, the Party of Thieves!
yabecoo,
Show me how this act defies the constitution.
as long as you vote Democrat, the Party of Thieves
Did you mind it so much with Reagan and his giving amnesty to immigrants? Pretty sure he was Republican but I could be wrong
I voted for Reagan and I HATED that he gave amnesty to even a single illegal immigrant. I lived in California when he did that. You do recall, however, that Reagan was promised by Congress that if he signed that law, there would be greater enforcement of the border and existing immigration laws. That has not yet happened. Only the Republican party seems to be ready, willing and able to enforce the immigration laws, but there are too many in this country who would rather suffer the ill effects of illegal immigration than to face a harsh reality that is necessary to got the ball rolling on REAL immigration reform. Ask those who have been legal immigration line how they feel about it.
I guess common sense is severely lacking in a lot of people. An illegal alien (immigrant) is illegally here. Nothing Obama did changed that. Obama merely declared that as head of the executive branch that he wasn't going to do his job and enforce the law. That doesn't make them legal.
Speaking of not doing one's job, what employer would put up with insubordination by an employee? Not many, that's for sure. Unfortunately, we are stuck with a specific time guideline on when we can fire elected officials. Hopefully, the legal citizens of this country will not put up with such an arrogant, insubordinate employee any longer than they have to.
Johnny, By what act of Congress are they suddenly legal?
How is a 2 year reprieve from deportation making them legal? With or without the presidential order, they still have to go through the process of applying for citizenship.
If you've looked at Obama's grades at Occidental where he went to school before going to Ivy league schools as a foreign exchange student and saw his C- minus grades at a school for the less than brainy you'd understand that glib and articulate simply masks a below average, at best, intellect.
Olivia, what I was responding to was the statement that it made them legal. Becoming legal citizens implies they do something within those 2 years. I agree wholely that it's messed up to make it illegal to deport illegal aliens.
Since ICE already stated they'll no longer respond to requests from AZ and now they can't deport anyone, I guess we should just disband that beaurocracy. It'll probably save us tons of money.
This is so hilarious you are getting your blood pressure up over something that has been the law in another state for ten freaking years. Why weren't all you liberals marching on Austin ten years ago?
Johnny,
He shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed. That's what the constitution reads.
He's not doing that
Constitution? He don't need no constitution, he has Holder to selectively enforce laws and executive orders to circumvent the congress and the constitution. Obama Rex.
You do realize that many people declared 'illegal' by outr government aren't actually illegal, right?
Rennison Castillo, a Washington state man who was born in Belize but took his oath of citizenship while serving in the U.S. Army in 1998, spent seven months in an ICE prison in 2006. Castillo, 33, of Lakewood, came to the United States at age 6 and later became a permanent lawful resident. He was sworn in as a citizen during his seven-year stint in the Army, which ended with his honorable discharge in 2003.
Issue a ticket back to where they came from? Where would you give this woman a ticket back to?
Lack of proper training of immigration inspectors resulted in their mistaken conclusion that Sharon McKnight’s passport was fraudulent. McKnight spent eight days in Jamaica before returning to New York. While there, her luggage, containing all her money, was stolen. Airport workers contributed money so she could reach family members. Once there, her mother flew to Jamaica from New York to take her case to the US consulate in Kingston. With the help of Rep. Michael Forbes (D-NY), consulate officials determined that the passport and birth certificate, which immigration officials had declared fraudulent, were in fact real, and established McKnight’s US citizenship.
When Angela Boneva, a 34 year old went to renew her passport in 2003, the State Department told her she was no longer a citizen. Boneva's father was born in Indiana, and the US consulate in Bulgaria gave her U.S. citizenship while she was growing up in Bulgaria in 1981.The State Department said that an employee at the consulate broke a rule that required her father to have lived in the U.S. for 10 years before she was born, the Tribune reported. Her father had only lived in the U.S. for six years before his parents moved to Bulgaria.
Mr. George Ibarra, 46, was born in Mexico but was raised since infancy in Arizona. In his late 20s he enlisted in the Marines and served three years on active duty, including time in Iraq, before being honorably discharged. On February 23, 2011 Department of Justice adjudicator Richard Phelps ruled in Eloy, Arizona that George Ibarra had by a preponderance of the evidence proven that he is indeed a citizen of the United States. Rather than apologize to Mr. Ibarra for previously wrongfully detaining him, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is holding Mr. Ibarra in solitary confinement at the Eloy Detention Center, in clear violation of the U.S. Constitution and a memorandum requiring Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to release anyone with "probative evidence" of U.S. citizenship.
Amanda...we are talking about MILLIONS of illegals and you refer to 3 or 4??? So we should let all illegals stay...just in case 1 or 2 are actually legal? Thats an insane way of looking at it. Sometimes people are falsely accused of a crime, so by your reasoning we should accuse and imprison NO ONE just in case there is someone that is not guilty. I am sorry you had such a bad time of proving your status, but you can't apply that to every person that breaks the law and comes here illegally.
I say, give California back to Mexico, throw in Illinois as a bonus, and require ALL of the illegals to move there in order to have Obama's pseudo-amnesty. Those states are a drag on the rest of this nation anyway.
Olivia, It was a weak joke, however you do bring up a great point about them wanting more. That is what they are doing now. They come here illegally, then they want all of the benefits like access to the hospitals, free health care, welfare, food stamps, free meals for their kids, in-state tuition, subsidized housing and OUR JOBS! .... and the DEMOCRATS are happy to oblige them in exchange for their vote (when they show up with thier newly minted drivers license-which this IS what it is all about)!
To be eligible, immigrants must prove they arrived in the U.S. before they turned 16, are 30 or younger, have been living in the country at least five years and are in school or graduated or served in the military.
So it's quite possible that Brewers law could deny military or ex military personnel the opportunity to have a drivers licence. Good enough to possibly give up their lives to fight for your ass Brewer but not good enough to drive.
This group of immigrants working within this act are trying to do what they can to become citizens legally by the standards now in effect. Brewer wants to keep hammering on them.
Witch with a capital B
johnny, as a former U.S, military serviceman, I am sick of the military being used as political tools. We don't serve so that we can obtain any benefit. We serve for love of country and for the guy on the line to our right and to our left, not so we can get a drivers license. I for one, do not believe that non-US citizens or illegal immigrants should be serving in our military. We do have enough legal citizens to fill the ranks without the need for illegals. The US military is one job that Americans are willing to do!
but my thought is, are they just allowed to get a license by simply taking the test? they need to take driver's training like we all did. If they can get one without taking the training, that is BS.
You want to fight and die for this Country become a citizen not a mercenary! The isn't the Foreign Legion! You don't get special rewards for it!
Rodney
I am sick of the military being used as political tools. We don't serve so that we can obtain any benefit. We serve for love of country and for the guy on the line to our right and to our left, not so we can get a drivers license. I
First thanks for your service. I have three children who have been in the military, one currently a sargent.
Secondly, I didn't say they served for any other reason than those you did. You want to chastise me for feeling it's hypicritical for someone to have the right to serve but not the right to drive, well that is your right.
We do have enough legal citizens to fill the ranks without the need for illegals
Less than one tenth of one percent serve their country in the military. I sadly fall into the majority but I'm too old to change that now.
Johnny, please educate yourself a bit, then maybe you won't be so upset at a perceived injustice which is based solely on your own lack of knowledge. Any non-citizens who serve in the US military are granted legal resident status and given a green card. I served with a few, so I would know. This specifically means that they are completely unaffected by both the amnesty from Obama and the license ruling from Arizona. It is completely impossible for Brewer's law to deny former military members a driver's license barring some circumstances that would cause someone to have their green card revoked.
Comment # 7 deleted for grenade trolling and derailing.
Your first line makes your second line a lie. The first line says if they have served in the military they qualify for a license and your second says it would deny veterans a license. Dude can you read?
Lonereb
Re read that, the satement says "impossible", in the english language Impossible means NOT possible.
Jeff,
Thanks for the info.
Jan "has did" Brewer making sure the nation thinks of us Arizonans as dumb rednecks out in Sand Land!
New Mexico has been allowing illegals to have driver licenses for many years and it hasn't helped them to be productive members of our community, contributing towards the economy, paying taxes, or getting insurance. New Mexico is second in the nation in uninsured drivers at 25.7 percent.
Americans don't think that way, just Progressives and other anti-American hate groups.
from arizona do not blame Brewer for the bad grammer she did not write the article. Blame the so-called educated members of the fourth estate. They are the ones that see perceived insults to minorities in everything. I am waiting for the Westminster dog show when our liberal press realizs that the AKC has three breeds of coonhounds registered.
Don't you all realize we are ALL immigrants from somewhere. ONLY Indians are not! Wake up!
My Grandfather's and Grandmother's did it legally! Their Native Americans Indians come from India and unless they get the proper paper work they are illegal.
You must be a liberal.. You are too uniformed.. According to anthropolgists what you call native Americans immigrated here years ago.
Amvet, uninformed belongs to you and your cohorts. You buy ANYTHING the Limbaugh, Fox and Beck tell you. Somehow you all make a fact right away. You and your party are the most ignorant and uninformed of real facts people in America.
Legal immigrants
Yes. But unless you came from "south of the border", chances are you or your ancestors did it legally.
Legal immigrants is the differentiation. Cops don't arrest non-bank robbers for bank robbery. They differentiate the crooks from the non-crooks.
STFU! Cockface!
My grandparents are immigrants as many others are and yr conveniently ignore that these ( "unlawfully present aliens" GMAFB! with this BS bleeder rhetoric) are not apparently not making any effort to obey the law, so they're insulting you as well..idiot!
I love that argument from the left. To be an immigrant, you have to have a country of origin. I guess we can all trace it back to Africa based on the latest scientific evidence. Let's all register to vote in Africa and vote in whoever promises us the most handouts. Anybody who speaks out against us would be labeled a racist for holding the white man down. After all, he ended up in the US because of a decision ancestors made, not by choice.
My grandparents came to America after WWII... No one gave them anything, they waited in line at Ellis Island and became legal citizens. They didn't sneak across the border looking for handouts.
The problem isn't immigration... it is ILLEGAL Immigration. If Mexicans want to immigrate to America I am totally fine with that, but they can get in line and wait their turn, just like my grandparents did.
So your saying the white man had the right to wipe out the North American Indians because he may have wiped out the Clovis. The North American Indians most likely are an ancestor of the Mexicans.
Uhhh....North Americn Indians areancestors of a country founded in 1810?
Beg pardon but even Native Americans came to this continent from somewhere else (mostly central Asia). All of us started from central Africa. Immigrants enter the US in order to work, become educated, and (this is key) gain citizenship. Illegal aliens enter the country to take advantage of perceived benefits they cannot receive in their home country. The POTUS has abrogated US Code and laws but that is allowed under executive privelege. No state is required to give a driver's license to any individual, it is not a right. The federal government gave the right to the states to determine how and why a driver's license can be issued. What we have here is another amnesty program without enforcement of existing US law regarding the violation of our borders. I for one feel very sorry for a child being forced to break the law by their parents. When parents that are American citizens break the law they go to jail and the child goes to foster care - I wonder what will happen to the law-breaking parents of the children being granted temporary amnesty by this rather foolish act.
Laws of immigration started in 1924.
whatthefhappened FYI from anthropologists the current Native Americans are the second wave of people of Mongolian descent to come over to this continent from Mongolia Before Columbus stumbled onto this continent it was also visited by Chinese, Irish, Bretons, and in Canada colonized by Vikings etc. Now in the country of my native origen the Mongolians also jumped into the gene pool. So what make one Mongolian more special than another Mongolian
Try 1790.
DREAMERS!!!!!!!!!?ILLEGALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm SPANISH, i DO NOT SUPPORT THIS lAW, I DID VOTE FOR OBAMA, NOT ANYMORE......Want to study,? Go back to Mexico, there is plenty of Universities for you!!!
You have less rights in Arizona if you do not have white skin. Boycott travel to Arizona. Don't stop over on flights. Cut off ALL federal funding to the state. Disband their National Guard. Let them wallow in their racist bigot filth. Arrest that nasty, vile and ignorant racist sheriff and throw him in jail (No Bail and outside in a tent).
RepublicansNeo-Fascist PartyOff the meds again, huh?
That's some pretty racist stuff there. You really think all non law abiding residents are minorities? You want to boycott buying goods from minority business owners? All that racism justified by blatant remarks about people based on the color of their skin? Wow.
Remember a while back when everyone was hollering "Boycott Arizona!"? Well guess what? The sun has still been coming up and I haven't missed any meals.
Guess Obama should have dotted his i's and crossed his t's before making his promisses again!
Cut off Federal Funding immediately to Arizona. The state is full of
RepublicansNeo-Fascists.Keep drinking the kool-aid. People are anti-illegal immigration. Using skin color as an excuse is your battle cry lacking any real reason for allowing illegals to flip the rest of the country the bird.
That is the fact about every argument on here that goes against Brewer.
You people are pigs!
You people are neo facists!
I'll bet you'd throw a baby in a dumperster!
You know I really try to be my own person and vote for what I believe is correct, but damn...you bleeding hearts with no argument other than an insult make it extremely hard to respect anything you stand for. No wonder you can't hold the presidency.
This is why I am anti-illegal immigration. This year alone where I live there have been many incidents of multiple fatality vehicle accidents caused by transport drivers hired by the cartels to move illegal immigrants. Now I am sure all the liberals are ready to cry over the illegal immigrats killed in these accidents. But I seriously doubt any liberal will give a f##k if I die in an accident caused by this situation as I ride my motorcycle on the same roads these people are turning into death traps. Now is it the drivers fault - yes, is it the cartels fault for hiring him-yes, but it is also the fault of the illegal immigrant who paid the cartel that paid the driver that is putting my life in danger. Now I would like all of you computer cowboy liberals to spend your days driving our roads with the danger that one of these people is going to decide to rabbit just because they see a cop who hasn't even noticed them yet.
Kayner Brewer already lost one, and she's hanging in there. But some of your comments are really hateful.
What part of "illegal" does the obama liberal left not understand? Is ti unlawful to ban pedophiles and rapists from being school teachers. Is it unlawful to ban convicted felons from purchasing a weapon.
The reason why they are illegal is because their parents brought them in illegally when they were children. If we have to pay for the sins of our fathers, then by the same logic many white people in the South are plantation owners and slavemasters simply because their ancestors were.
If you are not American Indian, they you better leave amvet! No need for you to continue using the resources that do not belong to you. Get out!!!!
Please, tell us what Native American immigration laws were broken? Any? Just one? I suppose American Indians just sprang up out of the earth too and never migrated, conquered neighboring tribes, took land, livestock and slaves from those tribes...shall I continue?
and How many pictures of fence hoppers did you ever see draging kids through the desert? most adults have a hard time getting through it . so im not buying the poor children were draged across the desert to get to a school in Chicago. sell youe lies to HERR OBAMA s BROWNSHIRTED SHEEP!
well ladolcie, from that logic, I wanted to be born in Palm Beach, FL. Let me move right over there and see how that works out.
The illegals are leeches. We pay UNINSURED MOTORIST insurance because the illegals are too cheap to buy their own. send them back
Mon El they do bring kids and the new action by these oh so concerned parents when they see La Migra is to run back to the river abandoning small children in the chapparel. It works because La Migra cares more about their children than they do. And we the state then get to support their children. We the state of Texas get to feed,clothe and educate the kids they dumped in the brush country of South Texas.
P.S. immigrants that qualify from any country can apply with Form I-589 USCIS, it's available online in PDF.
IF they pay to go through driver's training, LIKE WE all had to do, then I don't see why not, as long as they also show proof of insurance and continue to show the SOS that they maintain insurance on their car.
bring out the violins for the poor innocent illegal kids that are the spawn of scummy greedy illegal parents. How about the kid gets citizenship as long as the parent is shipped back?
I wonder if many posters realize we're talking about young people here who were brought over by their parents when they were children and could perhaps have not made the decision to come illegally. I wonder how many of us could fathom being in their shoes. For instance, if your mom and dad took you to Germany illegally and you've grown up speaking German, getting used to German culture and then, all of the sudden, your education comes to an end because you are illegally in Germany and can't do anything else with your life.
What would you feel, what would you do? While deportation seems like an easy answer, we're talking about people who may not even remember their home countries, much less the language. Going back to my example, how would you feel if you were made to return to a country you don't remember living in, where you may not know the language and its customs?
Look, I am a legal immigrant and I know that immigrating legally to the U.S. is almost impossible for people with no skills and/or from poor countries. I am also generally against illegal immigration, although I think we often demonize the immigrants instead of demonizing the employers who willingly and knowingly keep employing illegal workers. I don't think any amnesty would do any good.
However, in this very narrow case - young people with educations or military service, clean backgrounds, etc. - I think that this is the only way we can be fair to a group of people whose parents were the guilty parties and yet they are made to suffer for the 'sins of their fathers.'
As for Arizona and Jan Brewer, those who are in deferred action can obtain driver's licenses, so I think her new laws will certainly be challenged in court.
Try getting into Germany Illegaly.o your point is moot.
I'm pretty sure Germany would have deported me long before I got a free education. But, in the spirit of debate, let's say I wasn't. What would I do? I'd apply for citizenship. I have no desire to be a criminal at risk of being sent to another country where I have no home, etc. German citizenship laws are quite strict and were just recently modified to be a bit more leniant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nationality_law
you are an illegal or related to an illegal....your post is disregarded
When those who have applied and complete the road to citizenship, they will definitely vote Democrat. Racism only pays out to those who buy your story hook line and sinker.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Immigration_Reform_Act_of_2007
Hmmm....Reid and Pelosi were in charge in 2007. Bush was pushing for amnesty and they said NO. Racism? They wouldn't have been in this mess if it had passed.
And did you really just use "those who have applied and complete the road to citizenship" as your example in a debate regarding those who DON'T apply and complete?
Do you know who suffers the most from illegal immigration? Not the white people the hispanics. It is they who are in competition for jobs with illegals. It is the reason their wages are depressed. It is the reason you can't form a union with clout in Texas. Why should an employer bargain with you if they can just hire a replacement if you go on strike for less money? A replacement who will not only work for less but work under conditions you worked hard to change. I have no problems with illegals in a work setting Because I don't have to compete with them.
As someone who actually lives in Arizona and works in healthcare, Brewer banning illegal immigrants is a moot point when many illegals are being granted State Medicaid. Driver's licenses, in my opinion, is the least of my concerns in terms of tax dollars being used to help illegal immigrants live here comfortably and drain Medicare and Medicaid. If anything, giving them driver's licenses is a good way to document the undocumented. It could open doors for the state to actually monitor them and send them information about becoming legal and actually deport them when their two year amnesty is up. If they choose to stay here, they should have to use the time productively by pursuing legal visas/citizenship.
they won't become legal...if they were going to do it..they would of done it by the time they were 30....their parents didn't..they are still illegals.. and they sure didn't teach them respect for the US..thats why they are so demanding and arrogant..these illegal young people are rude...you should see how they acted at TUSD board meetings in Tucson when their mexican american studies(MAS) were taken out of the schools...they were taught to expect everything for nothing...the parents should all be deported asap...they didn't get a 2 year repreive from obama..and all the people who went thru the process of having become legal citizens.should definately not vote for obama..he just slapped all of them in the face..but I am proud and happy they cared about the US to become legal..thanks
I have friend in Romania that can't get in the USA without showing finanical records being interviewed and if they are single or married without a business or property in Romania they ae denied it is TOUGH for Romanians to come to the USA almost impossible WHY are these criminals allowed to stay when people that are far more interesting, educated, and productive and only want visas for from europe TO VISIT can't come...
So the Obamanation and "Fast and Furious" Holder are going to challenge Arizona again - there those Arizonians go again, trying to enforce the laws of the land! Everybody should understand that the imperial US gubmint decides what laws to enforce or not, and if it gets votes, that's all that matters.
By the way, that sucking sound you hear is the US Constitution and America, circling the outlet of the commode.
Sounds like the radical extremist right is responsible for all the problem America is having.
Republican Neo-Fascist Party
WychDoctor George
So the Obamanation and "Fast and Furious" Holder are going to challenge Arizona again.
Oh cry me a river you big baby. why don't you and your buddy cry baby Nugent go back to your apocalyse bunker and wait for the end of the world and if we're lucky we'll never hear from you again.
That's mature! Hey, idiots...issuing drivers' licenses is a state responsibility and each state has it's own set of rules/regulations. Obama/Holder can challenge this all they want but they WILL lose.
The right hasn't been in control of Washington since 2006.
New manditory school uniforms for Arizona courtesy of
RepublicansNeo-Fascists: Jack Boots, Black Military Uniforms and a copy of Mien Kampf.Cut this out, please. It's grenade trolling and a violation of the Code of Honor.
Sally, I see you don't like the truth. Figures.
Illegal aliens should not be given driver's licenses. Many people are injured and killed by illegal alien drivers without insurance, giving them a driver's license is like giving a convict a gun. They should be deported back to their home countries and if they want to come back in through LEGAL means, then they can apply for the privilege of driving in this country.
I hope your ancestors were treated badly when they came to this country. You are not special.
My ancestors came here by boat and registered to be in this country (Ellis Island) LEGALLY. These other people have not. THAT's the difference.
I know people who legally come here to work, get temporary green cards etc. They only have a certain time to be here legally then they have to leave or apply again. LEGALLY. Why can't the rest of them do that??? Why should honest people be penalized and be inconvenienced and go through all of the waiting and paperwork while these other people just take what they want....and then DEMAND for RIGHTS??? Are you kidding me???? Kick them all out!
Jonney please don't let the military issue fool you. Men and women from other countries have been serving in our military for a long time. This has been a way to gain citizenship. I myself served with a number of these people and proud to say I did. I do however get upset when our current administration acts as though this something they came up with. USN/Ret 1963 - 1986
This is all resting on Congress. Obama just can't make laws, look at the result, half baked laws. Get Congress working on the proper way to implement the Dream Act so that this can be accomplished legally and the young people can start the proper path to citizenship.
Any chance order public employees to violate both Federal and State law is an impeachable offence?
I've been saying that for quite a while it also a violation of the constitution, but do you know what would happen if they went after the first African American President and impeached him. It's the color of his skin not the content of the law and he knows it. The black caucus would never stand for it neither would Nancy Pelosi, or Harry Reid. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would start rioting in the street that would make Rodney King look like a picnic. They are saving the US from a race war, so they think, so Obama thinks he can get away with almost anything he wants and he flaunts it. Just watch him do the dance.
Remember y'all gonna be in chains. His running mate can say anything to an almost all back audience that a white man would be Lynched For! And he will be supported and excuses will be made for him!!!
so How did they get in the Military LEGALLY with No REAL documentation? who screwed that pooch? and Why should we give LAWBREAKERS the same benifit as law abiding AMERICANS, and those who did all the LEGAL requirements to come here? And Being Christian, GOD says if you lie in a little you lie in a lot.And a little sin is as bad as a Big sin, so christion has nothing to do with not giving in to Dictator Obama and his Vote getting Exucitive orders, Same thing Hitler did . He Said IM IN CHARGE SO I DO AS I WANT! Well this isnt NAZI Germany yet so Fuerer Obama is the one here who is breaking the laws of the constitution! I had to jump through hoops so my children could go to school ,from shot records to burth certificates to proof or where i lived to be sure i was in the right district,, and i was born in chicago but i still had to prove i was a citizen. And as far as productive tax paying citizens, How the Hell can you say they do that if they are not here legally whos social security number were they using? and using False documents to get in the Military IS a FEDERAL OFFENCE. so stop being a OBAMA BROWN SHIRT Get real send the Chalongos back and make them go through the legal process to come and share in the GREATNESS that is AMERICA, and i dont mean Socialist OBAMA s America either. Laws are there for a reason, and we dont get to pick and choose which ones we want to follow. If a commit a armed robery can i get a 2 year repreive to see if i am a good person? HELL NO i get to go to jail no free pass. Maybe if i swear to vote for HERR OBAMA I can get a bye? WAY TO GO Gov. Jan, You are a true AMERICAN HERO.
you are not a nice person
I don't think there is a constitutional requirement to give any illegal resident anything. Medicaid or a driver's liscense. First of all they didn't pay into the Medicare / Medicaid pool in the form of taxes and so they really have no legal right to draw from it. Plain and simple.
Obviously there are about a million undocumented or illegal aliens in this country at present and under our current economic conditions we can't afford the cost of deporting them all. The only thing we can realistically do is make sure they pay their taxes and contribute to society and definitally make sure our border not a porous as they are now.
Add the costs up yourself and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
Saying deport them all sounds like good rhetoric but its really not a realistic goal.
20,000,000 is closer to truth. Not counting 11 million Reagen gave amnesty too 30 years ago. That is also when bi-lingual government began at the cost of billions and counting.Now everyone wants it in their language too. Native Americans demand it in your language too.
Brewer to undocumented " No drivers license for you, and your little dog too"