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Friday prayers at the newly opened Islamic Center of Murfreesboro in Murfreesboro, Tenn., on Aug. 10. The center was the subject of protests and court action by groups opposed to the mosque since construction began two years ago. The mosque opened in the final days of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.
On Sunday and Monday, when Muslims will celebrate the end of Ramadan, even many who are less observant the rest of the year will be at mosques to pray. But many worshippers will celebrate amid heightened security after a recent spike in attacks on mosques and other places of worship.
"We recommend a security guard during prayer hours,” said Abed Ayoub, legal director of the nonprofit American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, or ADC. "Take measures and use common sense. Keep an eye on people who don’t seem to fit in. We ask them to install video cameras at the doors and throughout the mosque. Limit access to areas such as the kitchen, furnace or storage where someone could hide."
This is not the first time that Muslims have been advised to exercise caution. There was a spike in crimes aimed at the religious minority after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States by Islamist terrorists, and Ayoub said there has been an increase again since 2010, starting around the time of the bitter dispute over Park 51, the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque" in Manhattan.
The latest round of cautionary alerts was set off by the bloody attack on a different religious group. On Aug. 5, six Sikh worshippers were killed and others wounded when Wade Michael Page opened fire at their temple in Oak Creek, Wis., before killing himself.
Because the suspect is dead, his motives remain unknown. But he had white supremacist connections, so many observers concluded that his attack was a hate crime targeting strangers who were minorities.
"What happened in Wisconsin was a tragedy, and it shed light on the bigotry that unfortunately still exists in this country,” said Ayoub.
Muslim groups expressed solidarity with the Sikh community, and fears of their own.
"Within an hour of the Sikh shooting we were on the phone with the Dearborn metro law enforcement, and beefed up security that evening," said Ayoub, who is the legal director for the Washington-based ADC. The group has offices in Dearborn, Mich., which is home to the largest concentration of Arab Americans in the country.
In the 12 days since that deadly shooting, at least eight cases of vandalism and attacks on mosques, including a suspected arson, have been documented by the ADC and other civil rights groups.
Investigators have not been able to prove a fire that destroyed a mosque in Joplin, Mo., on Aug. 6 was intentionally set, the FBI said on Thursday, but they have video surveillance of an apparent arson attempt at the mosque one week earlier and have described the second fire as "suspicious."
In Morton Grove, Ill. while 500 were attending evening prayers at a mosque in the Chicago suburb, a man shot at the building with a pellet gun, only slightly damaging the building, but nearly hitting a security guard. The man arrested in connection with the incident turned out to be a neighbor who had a history of complaints and opposition to the mosque, said Rizwan Kadir, who is on the board of the mosque and school.
In Oklahoma City, vandals defaced the Grand Mosque, firing paintball guns at it while it was filled with worshippers. In Lombard, Ill., a "MacGyver bomb" hit the window of an Islamic school that was being used for evening prayer. The soda bottle, filled with chemicals and aluminum foil that react to make an explosion, did not break the window and exploded outside, so worshippers were rattled but not hurt. In Hayward, Calif., four teenagers were arrested after vandalizing a mosque by throwing lemons, oranges, eggs, and firing BB guns.
"If you look at the smaller incidents in isolation you can deal with it, but when you see all these things happening, it does take its emotional toll on people,” said Kadir.
Kadir said many people in the area, local Christian and Jewish groups, as well as the police and Morton Grove mayor and trustees have come forward to show solidarity with the Muslim community since the shooting.
"All these are positive things," he said. "At the same time we are on our guard."
Council on American Islamic relations: Safety and security tips
While no one is saying that the attacks are connected, many Muslim leaders and civil rights advocates see common fuel in the anti-Muslim rhetoric that they say has intensified during the current election cycle.
"When the rhetoric gets bad, the hate crimes and attacks go up,” said Ayoub, of ADC. "Unless the rhetoric changes, I feel there will be more happening before the election.
On the list of politicians he says are fueling bigotry is Michele Bachmann, who recently led the call for a federal investigation of senior State Deparatment official Huma Abedin. Bachmann accused Abedin of using her position to influence policy in favor of Egypt’s Islamist Muslim Brotherhood.
The charge outraged many Muslims. Even some of Bachman’s fellow Republicans protested the attack, including Sen. John McCain, who defended Abedin as a "true patriot."
Another politician becoming well known for his persistent warnings about the threat of "homegrown radicals" among the Muslim population is Rep. Joe Walsh, R-Ill., a member of the House Homeland Security Committee.
"While the overwhelming majority of Muslims are as peace loving as everyone else, there are radical Islamists right here in the United States trying to kill Americans and destroy this country," he told a town hall meeting in Elk Grove Village, Ill.
The ADC draws a direct line between Walsh's comments and the "MacGyver bomb" attack on the worshippers in his district, saying his comments incited fear. In a statement on Wednesday, the group called on "all politicians and elected officials to change the national discourse, distance themselves from xenophobic rhetoric and put an immediate end to the culture of hate and violence."
Walsh's office rejected the idea that the congressman's statements incite or condone violence against ordinary Muslims. Walsh was merely restating what has been said in a series of committee hearings on homegrown radicalization of Muslims, according to spokesman Justin Roth.
"Not one time has Congressman Walsh said that we need to go get those Muslims," said Roth. "He condemns these attacks just as he condemns the more than 1,000 attacks against Jews every year (that take place) simply out of hatred."
Ayoub and others urged Muslims to reach out to police in their areas seeking additional patrols and support, especially for crowded Eid al Fitre prayers on Sunday and Monday.
"It's very important to keep everybody calm, don't let your people be afraid," said Ayoub. "We don't want people not going to the mosque because they are afraid. We want to ensure that people go and leave safely."
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The recent trends are disturbing. The hate and violence must stop.
The violence of Islam has been going on since the 4th century and has never stopped.
There have been more wars started, and more violence committed, in the name of religion than anything ever. Do not blame any one religion... there are nut jobs in all religions. They just happen to get their names in the news.
... it is terrible for innocent US Muslims to live in fear, but that does not excuse them for not identifying radicals that live in their midst; so until things cool off they may want to spend a few decades in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.
Thanks Wake...well stated and correctly so! If muslims want any/all violence and perceived persecution to stop they must take action against thier own cowardly killers who eagerly maim and kill innocents in the name of thier God. There has been not a single documented action taken by the muslim community to stop terrorism, they only sit quietly by and do nothing, and say nothing. Sir Thomas Moore of England,had this quote, "Silence is consent". Totally true!
By this logic, every white person should be thrown in jail until they can help us identify every possible mass shooting thats going to happen in the future since most of the recent ones were done by whites. Did it ever cross your thick heads that a innocent, law-abiding muslims may not be hanging out with the radical elements and know as little about them as you and I do?
Also, do you clowns have inside track on who the FBI informants are? Do you know for sure that the muslims you accuse of being complicit are not already helping the authorities?
Larry, since Muhammad was born in about AD 590, how is it that "violence of Islam has been going on since the 4th century"?
@Wake
Then you being silent and even apologetic to those attacks makes you the same as what you are angry about.
If you raise a child born to a Muslim, Christian, or a child born to a Christian, Muslim, that child will be the same person. Some people are extreme, and when you make excuses for them, you only empower them to do more harm. Look in the mirror, if you're making excuses for violence then you are as guilty as those you are screaming against.
Really...who are you asking to stop??? The Koran thumping Muslims or the military? Go to Youtube and type in Muslims Dearborn abd see what happens when Muslims take over a town/police/city/county/elect a Muslim congressman...wake up!!!
Not all terrorists are islam followers, but all islam followers are terrorists.
Thank you, Jimmy Carter.
It's time for all violence to stop. Jesus and Muhammad would both agree on this.
@ Wake
...it is terrible for innocent US Muslims to live in fear, but that does not excuse them for not identifying radicals that live in their midst;...
I can name some radicals right now: Tony Perkins, Ralph Reed, Pat Robertson, Mike Huckabee, the GOP,...oh, you wanted Muslim radicals, not Christian...
Oh, by the by Tony Perkins and the Family Research Council, karma's a bitch, ain't it?
Forloff there have NOT been more wars started due to religion. What media train are you trying to ride here?
Civil War - NOT started due to religion
WWI - NOT started due to religion
WWII - NOT started due to religion
Korean War - NOT started due to religion
Vietnam War - NOT started due to religion
Gulf War - NOT started due to religion
Iraq / Afghanistan War - NOT started due to religion
Please stop projecting. Your personal feelings are not valid here, if you have an issue with religion seek help.
riley....You should show that list often. I get so tired of hearing that same forloff type argument over and over again by the Christian haters!!!!
A nice sentiment but Muhammad advanced his Islam through violence and personally killed people, including bound prisoners, according to Muslim sources.
Riley ... so true ... we never had any wars before the civil war. Home schooled?
Riley,
you have to go back further than the 1800's. More people have been killed in the name of religion than from any other force of nature except natural causes. The Crusades, sacrificial offerings, Witch trials, wars between Christianity and Islam, the killing of those branded as heretics to most ancient religions including Christianity, 9/11.
come on, are you serious. "keep an eye on those who don't seem to fit in" Well that would be the muslims inside their mosques. They are the ones that don't fit in and people are just getting tired of these terrorist setting up camp in their back yards. It's only going to get worst. Just sit back and watch. Coming to a city near you....
@riley How convenient that you left out the war in Kosovo! A war fought exclusively on religious grounds. The Serbs are Orthodox Christians, the Croats are Catholics and the Serbs are Muslims.
Then there's the war in Iraq and Afghanistan which you claim were not started over religion. WRONG! Why do you think Al-Qaeda flew those jet airliners into the World Trade Center? They were retaliating for the killing of Muslims done by the United States. The 9/11 attacks led directly to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq!
For your information there have been dozens and dozens of wars fought solely over religion. These are Muslim civil wars:
The following are "other" religious civil wars:
cont.
SeeWhatIMean188:
It is really sad that there are so many ignorant bigots like you out there. You have no knowledge whatsoever of these people, although you've probably crossed paths with some many times in your daily life and are blissfully unaware. You judge them all strictly on the basis of a few extremists, and yet you fail to see the hypocrisy in your thinking. By your logic, all Christians should be condemned because of Jimmy Jones or Anders Behring Breivik, just to name a couple.
Wise up and educate yourself.
The Moslem community seems to forget that here in America if we are attacked then we expect all to show anger over it. Their continued silence over the atrocities done by the islamic exstemeists gives the perception that they support these barbarian acts . Now If they would come out in Public and denounce these acts of violence by the exstremeists and make it clear that these exstyremists do not follow Mohammeds nor ALLA's path. Then these attacks on them will stop for the most part.
Hopefully we can be a good example of many religions living together in this country.
Over in Egypt (just reported) the Muslim Brotherhood has started cruxifying their opposition, is "abusing" others, and is calling for the demolition of the pyramids as they aren't islamic. I wonder if the administration is still happy about our endorsing "change" over there.
JoeNY wrote:
Joe, they have done just that, only people like you aren't listening. If you'd try even a little cursory checking on the internet, you'd find, for example:
http://www.mediamonitors.net/riadabdelkarim3.html
http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm
In the news we hear of mosques in the middle east being attacked all the time. They should feel right at home.
Hey wet - is that your willy showing under your white robes?
HAHAHAHA!! You made my day, thanks. :)
hey Gump-these "people" are moving into everyday housing complexes. so you don't have the right to tell me or anyone else, what I've seen first hand. They move in and the decent people move out. Roaches-they worship them, cause they certainly don't have a problem with them living in their homes. I've seen them up close and personal, so don't tell me what you think I should do. Wait til they come in take your neiborhoods and jobs over.
Gumps 1.26
You need to go take your meds. And when you've calmed down try to post something that isn't irrational. And by all means, please refrain from broadcasting to the world that you like to look under men's robes, or is that just a fantasy of yours?
Interesting. To those who think Iraq was not a 'religious' war, google 'Gog and Magog' to see the rationale used by Bush to cajole Chirac into joining the crusade in the middle east. Spoiler: Bush appealed to France's shared religious faith, and said he was fulfilling the biblical prophecy of Gog and Magog - after which Chirac expressed private concerns about Bush's sanity. And whatever the 'official' rationale, the support of the public for invasion certainly had a very strong religious component. So we can see the role religion plays, even in those conflicts which are ostensibly 'secular'.
As for the eerie silence - even, as shown above, tacit approval - over attacks on Muslims in this country, we see the same old argument trotted out: they did something (or didn't do something) to deserve it. It goes: 'we don't condone violence, BUT...
...if he had stopped performing abortions, he wouldn't have been shot.
...if she hadn't dressed like a slut, she wouldn't have been raped.
...if the jews had just left when they were told, there wouldn't have been a holocaust.
...if muslims had weeded out their extremists, their mosques wouldn't be burned down.
...and etc.
It's important to remember the concept of radical fundamentalism. That what fosters the hate in ANY religion be it Islam, Christian, Jewish -- you name it. I read a book about 14 years ago titled Terror in the Mind of God. I can't remember the author but it showed the violence of fanatical fundamentalist across the board regardless of the particular religion.
Riley is a perfect example of the ethnocentrism and ignorance that underlies all bigotry and racism. I had to laugh.
A message to the ADL , go back to your sand box !! Most of America wants to keep out all Muslims !
First, can you source the Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Animalist, or pagan suicide bombers.
Second, please source a list of Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Animalist, or pagan insurgents attempting to set up theocracies across the globe following the dictates of their faith.
Because if you cant, I think what you are saying is a pipe dream unrelated with reality.
Kpr37:
What a cop-out. Tell you what, instead of asking others to do your research for you, why don't you research your issue and make a few statements here about what you've found? That's what your verbal opponent did. You could even start by reading 'Terror in the Mind of God', since you would like to disagree with the assertions related to that book.
It is telling that you want to limit religious fanatical violence to suicide bombing. So when the Christian Lebanese militia famously massacred Palestinian civilians in a refugee camp in the '80's (men, women, elderly, children, all dispatched by shooting against a wall and dumped in mass graves), I suppose that wouldn't fit in your definition of religious fanatical violence, huh? How convenient.
I found that Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Animalist, or pagan suicide bombers are as real as Unicorns. An imaginary creation used to escape reality.But still incredibly thought of as true.
He made an unsupportable statement. I called him on it.
You don't really think I'm going out and buying the book do you? you're kidding ?
It's was a horrible crime and is inexcusable, but the motivation was revenge. I suggest reading about the history of "identity murders" in Lebanon. Who was killing who, leading up to the atrocity you mention.
Ignorance is not bliss, contrary to popular opinion.
http://africajournalismtheworld.com/2012/08/19/malis-ansar-leader-vows-to-launch-holy-war-against-the-west/
I mentioned insurgents struggling in the way of 'allah'
I mentioned insurgents struggling in the way of 'allah'
Sourced by NG news
they seem to understand the verse in a literal way, as if it were the direct immutable words of a Deity or something.
Submit, or face the continuation of the Jihad
sourced by CNN
The Sokoto Caliphate was one of the most destructive, and bloody, Islamist movements in Africa.
Sourced by al-jazeera
everything is permissible, if it is in furtherance of an Islamic objective
That's a pretty heavy "retaliation" for someone apparently tearing up their holy book. I wonder how they would respond to having one of their mosques destroyed for each and every church or home they have destroyed. Tit for Tat, fair is fair.
It's more like they are using any and every opportunity they can muster up to use as an excuse to murder as many people as they can.
It seems to be escalating exponentially these days. Clearly there is a threat that will eventually need to be dealt with one way or the other.
kpr37:
Sigh. So many words, so little said.
Charlie talked about the violence endemic to radical religious fundamentalism. He said nothing specifically about suicide bombing, which I am sure he - like most people - would consider only one of the many forms of violence which a radicalist might use. You are the one who wants to limit such violence to suicide bombing, as if that's the only kind of violence which counts as that of religious extremism. Such a statement is so untenable that it makes my head hurt, but when I called you on it, you ignored me, so whatever.
You defined the Christian massacre of Palestinian Muslims in their refugee camp as 'revenge', not religious violence. Of course you did; as shown above, you like to define things so they work out for your opinion. But then, of course, 9/11 was thus also 'revenge', as was (and is) the suicide bombings which hold you in such thrall. In fact, by your definition, there is not now, nor has there ever been, any religious violence at all.
The rest of your cut and paste job were examples of violent Muslims (one of whom, I noticed, was calling for 'revenge', so I guess he doesn't count as religiously violent, by your definition). Yes, very shocking, but all you've really done is underscore Charlie's point about the dangers of radicalization. Of course, you limited your examples to radical Islam, as is your wont, but you could fill many more pages with examples of violent radicals devoted to other religions. In fact, someone has already done that very thing, and published it under the title 'Terror in the Mind of God'.
No, I wasn't kidding when I suggested that if you want to refute that book (which is what you are trying to do), you might want to read it first. But now I see how funny it is to suggest you read anything which might disagree with your preconceptions. Your adamancy about that makes It is clear that the certainty you now enjoy comes not from a thorough research, but from a determined ignorance of any opposing research. This is just another way of saying that, in your case at least, ignorance most certainly is bliss.
Islam is not wanted as its history shows that application of Apostolic Invasion followed by Religious persecution and social violence. Take your hateful religion and go away.
Look at the public mass murders around the world where their faith is being dominated by the radicals. If Islam wants credibility in the eyes of the civilized world, then let us see it police itself and catch and punish their own murders who kill in the name of their God, Allah.
When the Dutch and Portugese were importing Apostolic christianity to Japan, Korea and China, they were smart enough to kick them out of their countries before the damage was done. We should do the same here and now with Islam.
Lazarus
So was the destruction of Iraq and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands and displacement of millions a christan act of mercy?
It was an act of mercy. Or have we forgotten that Saddam was slaughtering entire villages of his own people with chemical weapons because they belonged to a different sect? Not to mention NATO, Congress and most of the civilized world was in agreement with the operations to remove Saddam's regime.
Only since Obama's administration has this knowledge suddenly been conveniently forgotten.
hotalaskan
"So was the destruction of Iraq and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands and displacement of millions a christan act of mercy?
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I think so... otherwise there wouldn't be anything or anyone left over there.
arguesforsport : Really ? NATO wasn't supporting it, most of the civilized world vehemently protested against the invasion, including most of the population of Great Britain, your only real ally in this war.
You're delusional.
Wake up, you guys are as delusional as the monsters you fear. You are the type of people, regardless of what religion you were born to, that cause these problems in the world. You advocate it is okay to do violence to them, because they don't call their violent out. Can't you see the hypocrisy in that? Seriously?
They dont blend in.Look to britain and france,they cause a lot of problems and much dosent get reported in our pc society.I like what an official said in Australia,about being an aussie or leaving.
Muslims and christians are like gas and fire. I wish they would all self deport to whatever muslim country they came from. The Koran read something like infidels and non beleavers must convert or be put to death.
The Christian inquisition burned hundreds of thousands of people alive. Protestants, witches, Jews and any others they declared to be against the Catholic Church. How many people have been murdered by both Christian and Muslim extremists? The Holy See is full of the blood of it's human victims.
Muslims and Christians are the same hateful murderous creatures. If they could only let go of their hate...
hotalaskan, It was a christian G B**h that murdered the hundreds of thousands and displaces 2 million christians. Get your story straight.
wildcatwest
Your posts are difficult to read ... you sure are good at generalising, and at accusing people living presently of the crimes ignorant people committed hundreds of years ago. I will suggest to you, the same thing I suggested to others like you before. Go stand in a crowded area in, say New York for example, burn a bible and shout obcenities about Jesus. Maybe a few christians will yell at you but that will be about it. Now once you are done with this part, go to Afghanistan (or Iraq, or another muslim country) and stand in a crowded area there too, burn a Qur'an and shout obcenities about Muhammad. See which ordeal you survive.
-Anna-
I believe in Love not hate. I'm sorry if you find my posts difficult to read. Books and/or people should never be burnt.
hotalaskan
And this is a good reason not to get involved in Syria. Saddam Hussein was a dictator, he did kill thousands of his own people. But whenever there is a war, there is also collateral damage, and no matter how careful you are there will be innocent victims, even if the intention is to remove a dictator.
wildcatwest
-Anna-
Your posts are difficult to read because you generalise, and you accuse people living in the present of crimes committed hundred of years ago. You know very well that you could do what I mentioned (go to NY, burn a Bible, shout obcenities about Jesus) without fearing for your life, but that you couldn't do the same in a muslim country, with the Qur'an, and shouting about Muhammad without fearing for your life.
Obviously I don't want actually you to do that (I do believe that if you did you would get killed), but you certainly understand my point.
-Anna-
I would say that there are many good reasons not to get involved in Syria.
1) The US is not bankrupt but getting closer to it's credit limit.
2) We have a 'Defense' department with a mandate to protect the American people. Not to intervene in foreign civil wars.
3) Why is there no talk of intervening in Sudan and Somalia which have active civil wars?
War begets war.
"Thousands," possibly, though a single 1000 would probably be the upper limit. "Hundreds of thousands," not a chance.
One thing most of us can agree on though is to NOT get involved more deeply in Syria's civil war.
ron17571 wrote:
The violence perpetrated on muslims (as well as sikhs) in this country has been motivated by people as ignorant as you. You claim that they don't "blend in" - you actually wouldn't know a muslim if he came up and shook your hand. I'll even bet that you've crossed paths with many and you didn't even know it.
In the future, if you're going to post something, try to write about something you know about and for God's sake, learn to spell, or at least try using the spell checking function.
wildcatwest
I agree with you there, but for your point #3, see your #1 and #2 (and my post about involvement in Syria as well).
P.S. I wish people didn't collapse OPs posts, whether they agree or not with their comments.
These are people who believe in killing all Christians.. and the burning of Christian churches in Europe. Why should we care what happens to their mauskes... To tell you the truth, we don't want you in our country.. the best way to deal with it is to move out to your desert land in arabia or where ever you come from and build your churches there... get use to the heat for future eternity... So that you know,, we are a Christian, Jewish and a few other religious groups and NOT a muzlum country.... You know where you were born, go back there or is it they don't want you back.... I can understand....
Can't we just all outgrow religion and forget all the silly nonsense?
One isn't better than the other - they're all made up.
sorry mike,the world is too far gone with religion.its like air to them.we must nuke it all and start fresh.the fallout mutants will evolve better than we have.
Mike VL
"Can't we just all outgrow religion and forget all the silly nonsense?"
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Maybe you would be better served to ask that question to worshipers in Pakistan...
Seriously, Mike, why are you asking us? We're working hard on it. At least, some of us are. The Muslims are the ones who willfully refuse to outgrow their so called religion and believe they can slaughter anyone with impunity who doesn't agree.
Charles, your ignorance, as evidenced by you spelling is symptomatic of the sensless violence going on in this country - fueled by bigotry. And you're part ofo the problem.
@Charles and Wake
You have any idea how alike you and your enemies are?
Should we be exposing you? Are you so radical as to say it is okay to attack their innocent because their innocent don't expose their extremists. Does that make you extreme and should be exposed? Or just a hypocrite?
We are a country of NO religion, and of ALL religion! As much as I shudder at the thought of retarded zealots of all faiths, I respect that you have the right to be a retard!
You extremists are all exactly the same, funny how you can't even see it. Muslim, Christian, Atheist, or whatever, if you're an extreme against another, then you're all the same, bound by hate and fear.
I've never heard of something terrible happening and then the news or whatever saying that a group of Christians are taking responsibiliy for the offense. Muslims flaunt their terrorist acts.
Hey Jaxon3,,, we did not start this,,, We never said we wanted to destroyl all the muzlums like they want to destroy America...
You're a hateful person. Don't you get it that religion is the problem here? All religion. Yours included. As for me, I gave up mine a long time ago.
Attacks on US mosques prompt Muslim security concerns
What a stupid ass thing to say—this country is being over ran with bogus immigration and the Muslims have concerns—get a brain people—we are fast becoming a brown country; show me one brown country that is peaceful.
Let's see how many mass murders are we seeing in this country? Americans killing Americans with American guns. We don't need foreign terrorists....we are killing ourselves. I don't look for any concern by the world. The USA has become so polarized and dysfunctional we are about to self-destruct. So no foreign country need to waste any time or money trying to dismantle us....we are doing it ourselves.
That's the kind of thinking that led to the recent murder of innocent, patriotic Sikhs in Wiscoinsin. Check yourself Tiger.
Good grief - churches are targeted all the time especially during Christmas - the US averages about one violent incidence at a church each week and yet the news doesn't say anything about that. Amazing how the "news" tries to lead the public to a specific point of view - it's not journalism - the National Enquirer has about the same credibility as NBC/MSN these days
A few years back there was an epidemic of church burnings in Alabama and we didn't read searching articles in the mainstream press about anti-Christian bigotry having any connection.
thats like the KKK burning "black southern churches" They weren't doing it in the name of Islam. It was some white power crap. The people weren't muslims that did that, just good ol' boys acting like a fool.
How do you know about it if the news never says anything about it, guesswhatiam?
The apostolic invasion of the world during the 14th and 15th centuries came to a stop in China, Japan, and Korea after the Dutch, and Portugese traders brought the priest/religion with them and attempted to gain control of their peoples. They were kicked out and with good reason as we had since seen with the South American Invasion of the Religious Zealots Spaniards/Catholics.
We should follow the example of history and do the same before the Invasion of Islam turns our culture and streets into a copy of the Middle East.
Lazarus
Wow! You are really scared of Muslims, aren't you, Larry?
Most people have more fear of radical fundamental Christians. As well they should.
They will complain about profiling til the cows come home, except when it comes to their own protection.
Very Hypocritical
I think it's totally wrong for these nut jobs to attack innocent muslims.
However, I've always found it hypocritical that they find the mosques so holy, our troops cannot dare go in there, yet that's where the muslim killers have gone to hide. Apparently they aren't as holy as they're telling us. It's like the blacks using the N word all the time amongst themselves, why is that OK, yet I can't say it? It's either OK, or it's not.
Again, killing innocent people isn't an answer, I hope that stops - on all sides.
Steve,
You sound like a child trying to understand how the world works. Take 5 minutes and Google Islam, Muslims, and the Ottomon empire. Take the short cut to Wiki Enclycopedia. Then try thinking you can apply Western moral values to them. Their Religion FORCES them to kill in the name of God. It is not an option as some would ask us to believe. It is a demand from God that is enforced by the true believers.
They will gladly kill their own children if God (or the interpretation of God) calls for their deaths.
Lazarus
coral-yes yes. they are the one's that don't fit in and you can see them a mile away.
Pretty much the same thing as a Christian church providing sanctuary, isn't it, Steve?
You sit at the window with binoculars a good part of the time, don't you, Larry? Gotta keep an eye out for those people who "don't fit in".
One day soon mankind will put down their superstitions and imaginary sky-friends and embrace science and reason.
Or we will perish. One choice or the other.
Sorry Mike, but religion is a man-made institution that has been used to subjugate, dominate and divide people while making the churches rich. Just follow the money which is the god they all worship.
@ Mike; First nice picture.lol
Secondly you and I are going to perish no matter what.So.. Do you mean mankind will perish if they continue their religion,or continue to kill in the name of religion?
@ hotalaskan;
Well this depends on the religion you are talking about. Christians are the most self sacrificing people on this earth. Do you think missionaries risk malaria, and death by rebels, and Islamist to get meds and teach basic hygienes and use of penicillin to get rich? I think not. They do it because their is a need, period.
Do you truly think that money is their motivator? Well I will tell you sir if you do you are dead wrong. We are first responders to disaster, we are feeders of millions of malnourished. Becoming a Christian is a choice to be saved and sacrifice yourself humbly,to forgive and repent not get rich. So I believe you need to narrow your field a bit.
We do not subjugate,or try to dominate, and we definitley do not try to divide anyone. Coming to Christ is a personal choice,not something you can be forced into.
Modern day Christians are none of the things you say . We are not allowed to sit back and judge others as you so wrongfully to do today, and I thank God for that.
My bible has empiracle evidence that matches things being unearthed to this day. You only need to look at the perfection that is nature, and you will know that man never made that!!!
Now what!? Wheew! my fingers ar burning!!
Mike,
It will happen and happen soon I bet. When we start living in space. I bet not many people will care about a god.
at Coral Taxi
How you do know Christians are the most self sacrificing people on this earth. Dude that is an opinion. More people have been killed by Christians then anyother group on this planet Ethic, or religonist. BY FAR. That is a very simple FACT! Christians have killed most of the indigenous people on the planet. I think because of the fact that they are Humanitys' terrorists. How is killing people self sacrificing anyway?
Do you have the guts to answer my question?
Let me explain something to you sir Christian orginzations stopped polio spread in Africa. There are no larger groups than Christian orginizations that feed the worlds poor. The ones in the Jungles getting basic neccesities to remote areas in need of meds and basic hygeine all Christians sir. The ones teaching how to build sewage and water suppliers are Christians. They are supported by Christians funding them.
A better question to ask yourself is do you have the guts to risk captivity,disease,torture to help your fellow man.? Before you start asking others if they do.
We do not just speak these words sir,we take action on them.
Not a fact sir. True Christians do not indiscriminately kill, because if they did they would not be true Christians. capish? Also I stated MODERN day Christians sir, obviously you are not paying attention,and are letting your emotions overide your ability to reason.
No it's not unless you're a very small minority of converts. Otherwise, you're christian because your parents told you that you are since day one of your existence. If you happened to be born in India, chances are overwhelmingly in favor of you being hindu, same as if you are born in the Middle East, more likely than not, you would be muslim.
Try as you might, you cannot deny this simple fact. If you do, you're only lying to yourself.
@ argueforsport; Love that name.lol Fits me also.
Not hardly sir. There are plenty of Christian parents whose kids are not Christian it is a choice you make as you get older. When kids are younger preteens they are into the Sunday school thinG,as they get older and more independant they usually choose other things to do on Sunday morning,lets be real.
Christianity is a choice. When you accept Christ it is by no means because your parents told you so. I grew up in youth groups and summer camps, and kids CHOSE to come to our weekly meetings and games, they CHOSE to go on our field trips, their parents were not forcing them not one,and I know because I was president of a youth group that numbered about 200, Christianity is all about free will, not forced will.
Those kids only chose to remain christian. If they were baptised, had communion and confirmations, they did so because they were brainwashed into believing in the first place. Raised without any religion at all, how many kids would suddenly decide that there was a supreme being responsible for everything.
I was raised catholic. I had no idea of any other reality until I started reading about religions on my own. I got in trouble in religious classes for asking questions. As soon as I was confirmed and allowed to decide for myself, I have not looked back.
You cannot deny that if you are born into a muslim dominated, or hindu or any other faith, chances are overwhelming that you would believe that faith and think all others were wrong, because of what you were taught from day one.
@ argue;
Yes as I stated when you are young,as you grow older you adopt your own ideas about things. Prime example here can be you.
Sir I assure there was no brainwashing in my youthgroup.lol The message was given with story and song then it was games and girls sir. We were not naive enough to think they were all coming for the message they were given each week.lol But kids were saved and that was by their choice no others.
Coral Taxi
Science and money stoped polio not your God. I am tired of reading your opionions. But in America you do have the right. I wonder how much Domestic Terrorism is funded by Protestant churchs in America
Only because it was already done for you by the parents. Those kids believed christianity because they were taught to believe it before they had any interaction with your group.
face it fear and guilt motivate your life.fear of pissin off your loving,forgiving,vengeful god.he holds you to higher standards than he holds himself.thou shalt not....but i can cause im god.its all fear.thats your motivating factor.
Mike look around as society has become more Godless, the worse it has become.Seek God and know peace.
lol Only about 10 to 20 % of these kids parents were church goers sir. The kids,including myself were there for fellowship, and community. We put on plays ,had paper drives,cans, summer camps out of town,skating,bowling,swimming, a huge hall with foos ball,ping pong,pool, numerous games,basketball outside. . Senior visits to nursing homes.
Let me expalin this to you a kid could come for years and not get saved, and still be as welcome as he/she was the first day he showed up.
Of course the core of the group I and a few others were all saved but did not push it on others. They heard the message weekly,if they wanted to walk up that is their business, if they did not so be it. There was no pressure on anyone. So you guys have painted a wrong picture here.
This is pretty much the norm of Christian youth groups, gather for story,message ,and music(about 45 min). Then the fun and games and fellowship.No brainwashing sir. lol
@ Trantham;
Really?!lol
I am talking who gets the meds to those in war torn countries(not who created it), and deep malaria filled jungles. They are called missionaries. They are also funding and working with UNICEF at this moment to the tune of 290,000 to go door to door to give doses to children under 5,because polio is making a comeback in 5 different areas of Africa.
Are there really Christians and or True Christians, who'd a thought.
Christians are Christians, some are just nicer than others and don't kill.
Coral Taxi is a Zionist. Don't be fooled.
I often see the following quote attributed to Mahatma Gandhi regarding Christianity:
Islam evinces a different problem which I would frame as follows:
Muslims are for the most part okay. Muslims are just people like everyone else on planet earth, except... the Islam they follow is a profoundly intolerant, supremacist creed. So the more fervent and committed a Muslm is to Islam, the more dangerous he is to any Non-muslim who encounters him, for he will never accept "the other" in peace or equality.
Coral Taxi
Your in a make believe land. Somewhere wayout their. Your "GOD" never did anything. DO you have any phyical evidence. Your REilgon is 1 of HATE. Everyone must convert you YOUR WAYS OR DIE. You people stay the hell away from me and my freedoms!
By the way HOW THE THE freakn hell did your God and not Science make a polio vaccine. Get it threw your think evil skull. A MAN MADE THAT. SCIENCE. PAID FOR BY TAX DOLLARS. Your GOD ALSO does not make MONEY TREES your crazy man. Keep talking to yourself. lol
A good friend of mine grew up in the "Catholic Church" he is in his 40's now, he is more confused than ever before about what to believe. he just says he has a sprit in his heart that wakes him up every morning and gets him through the day. thats about how I feel too. It's whatever is in your heart, not some book someone told you that you need to read and believe in. The bible is a book of faith not facts. So all the books on religion must be the same in that aspect.
@ Ralph;
I love it when people try to label me .lol Sorry sir wrong. Just a non denominational Christian.
@Tantrum;
Now I will show you what I said once again
You say my religion is full of hate. Sir you sound like the true hater here. When did I say Christians or God made the polio vaccine? I did not.lol You are allowing your emotions to overcome your ability to reason.
So you admit that their being there had nothing to do with wanting to be christian. Imagine that, kids wanting to do fun things, who would have thought?
Saved? Saved from what? Let me guess. The "saved" ones were the ones that listened to the preaching, the "unsaved" were the ones that were there just to have fun and do the community good without fear of being damned.
Sir you are talking about pre teens and teens mostly from 12 to 17 yrs old. What is on the minds of kids at this age sir? Girls are thinking about boys,and double vice versa.Why do you think the Amish have romshpringa, (forgive the spelling) It is called spreading the word planting the seed, not forcing the word and drowning the seed ,lol. Once again being saved was not a requirement,there were no requirements except to listen the word,(story)and join in on the music, or just be part of the group at that time.
Their being there gave them a place free from prejudice,bullying, where their kindness and input were appreciated. where work was rewarded with outings, and ice cream nights,pizza nights. The youth group was where kids that were not treated well at home and school were treated just as kindly as the next guy. A place where the "not so popular" or "not so atheletic" were not ostracized and were appreciated for who they are,not what they are,or what car they get dropped off in,etc. You get the picture.
Was a place of fun and respite, and learning baout the bible, and the Christian ways. Being a Christian was not a requirement, nor were you treated differently if you were not.
Capish?
@ argue;
Umm no,did you not understand part of the deal is to listen to the message and participate with the group,before th games, so saved or unsaved you would listen. Really was not "preaching" usually a parable,with a point,or value to learn(very laid back,with humor).
Saved from nothingness sir. Eternal nothingness. Saved from going through life unhappy,unsure. Saved from yourself most of all. The last part involves mercy which we must recieve willingly,not forcefully,or by being brainwashed as you like to put it.lol
Gods plan in the beginning was for us to be perfect forever,of course this plan was thwarted by evil. So a new plan had to be made that involved salvation. This was the mercy given, instead of destroying all he created(Earth,Man,Woman) to rid what he had created of evil, the plan of salvation was made,which is why me and you are here today,and evil still remains all around us.
This makes sense whether you believe or not .
Part of the deal, Coral Taxi? Your God makes deals and bargains with people, does He? LOL
Kind of blows that "omnipotent"' part out of the water, doesn't it?
@ doj; For the youth group participation sir not Gods rules. How do you go from kids having to listen to a message and sing for a few minutes to God making deals and bargains?
I think you went a bit to deep with this one sir.
I would believe if you were God you would not have to bargaina at all. lol
I have been to a bunch of different churches. None of them ever brain washed anyone. Mostly they just preached thier version of the bible and passed around a plate. Not that there aint religions that dont brainwash. The branch davidian comes to mind. And a few others of that nature. However most christian relegions dont murder people for the relegion. There are some cults that will have many wives and some wives will be children. I believe Warren went to prison for that. However I did not hear of him killing anyone for it. The major recognizable religions such as catholic, morman, presbaterian, baptist so on ... they evolved over time and stopped doing such things as killing people and marrying children. I dont think the catholics problems with pedophilia had much to do with their religious beliefs. I dont know why islam has not evolved enough yet to realize that killing thier members is not OK. There are alot of things in the bible that religions dont do anymore because they evolved and found out that it is nonproductive. like stoning people. You wont get many people joining your religion therefore you wont get many donations. Maybe islam should take a monatary approach to religion like the christians did. Then maybe they can donate to political campaigns and suddenly become acceptable
P.S.
God doesent bargain
Lynn Dillon
What does he do? By the way.
Amish youth groups
You see God can not be forced, even the Amish with their strict doctrines understand this, which is why rumspringa exist. (wow I blew that earlier spelling up)lol Our groups were always supervised, but counselors understood our age and were not like overbearing chaperones, or judgemental,more like big brother,big sisters.
I'm fascinated at the characterization of missionaries as selfless humanitarians braving death and disease for no reason other than to help the unfortunate. This is what I call 'the self-righteous calling themselves good'. About 1/3 of my immediate and extended family are or were missionaries. I myself considered missions as a younger man, and I continue to receive literature for mission activity around the world, by groups representing a wide variety of Christians across this country. So for those of you who don't know, allow me to instruct you:
There is only one reason to be a missionary, and only one primary goal: religious conversion.
Coral Taxi must know that, yet for some reason he/she won't say it. Does that make him/her dishonest? Only about as much as the missionaries, who push their humanitarian activity primarily as a means for getting visas into 'enemy territories', and who bring along the fruits of science to mask their religious agenda.
If you want to support true humanitarians, consider Doctors without Borders or Amnesty International.
They do it as a duty sir. We are talking about missionaries so I believe it goes without saying that they are prosyletizing sir.
http://home.sandiego.edu/~baber/research/defenseofproselytizing.pdf
This is an ignorant statement, they are out to help whether you have have accepted the word or not. They help no matter if you convert or not. If you take the time to read the link above you will get a better understanding.
Also alot of places they help are already Catholic or Christian.
Right. So because some don't convert, the missionaries aren't there to convert? Come on.
The fact is, if there were no chance of conversion (or, as you include at the end, supporting the existence of the already-converted), the church would not fund missions at all, and there would be no missionaries. The point of missions is to expand the membership (and thus the influence) of the church. Of course, everything is free to begin with, real easy, we just want to help, but then....
...there is this new enclave of minority religious, which opposes the majority religious, who then want to punish the minority religious, who then must endure painful discriminations for 'their' faith, the violence ultimately escalates into full-blown civil war based on religious differences, etc., etc., etc...(think Indonesia, for instance).
Sorry, but I prefer my humanitarians to be honest, without hidden agendas - and certainly not agendas which could cause strife with their neighbors.
Killing in the name of the lord seems to be okay as long as you're doing it for christ. I was always taught that we are all Gods children regardless of our political, racial, religious, gender etc. You gotta love these folks with god on their lips and hate in their actions.
That's the understatement of the day.
No Mike, you will perish!! There are many,many articles that the Christians use as proof of GOD!!! There are many items that college professors use/clergy to tell us there is a GOD..But,I am sure GOD knows who you are and he will take care of business in his time..So Mike, tell us who /what is the great scientist that created all this..Oh, I know,it all fell together by chance...GOD BLESS YOU,MIKE!!!!
Your Satan lol
ok trillions of stars in space just for decoration.earth is all there is.gotcha.
Even if there was a God, how do you know it is your God that is true? If there was real proof of the Christian god, then FAITH would not be required!! Simply put, there is absolutely no proof either way.
The odds are against you though, since only one religion or none could be correct, that makes the vast majority of the world completely wrong about religion.
R. Battle
Are you sure?
I have a bit of news for you, Patriotic Girl. You are going to perish as well. Your attempt to thwart death and pretend that you are not just as mortal as any other living thing is nothing more than a neurotic obssession based on fear and a distorted need to believe that you, in some way, are special.
Do you actually mean to say that Patriotic Girl was SERIOUS?
They are pigs and they need to go to a muslims country--but wait!! They are here to change all infidels to islam,as their nutjob book tells them to do..The quran-- a must read book for the enlightenment for all people..
Your anti-American. What about Freedom of Religon???? I bet your a terrorist. I problemly would be killed by someone like you more then a muslim BY FAR.
She is exactly what she fears from the other side. I have read the bible and the quran, both are equally nutjobish at times. Both also have phrasing that is beautiful, and stories that are powerful.
What kind of god kills an entire cities first born children to convince one man (a dictator at that) to free it's slaves? Zap, kill the dictator, if the next one doesn't free them, zap, zap, until they are free.
It's not the god(s) I worry about, it's the fervent followers who kill in his name.
Islam clearly generates many times the number of violent nutjobs who kill in its name than does any other religion on earth. That's not a coincidence. A lot of Islam encourages that kind of "thinking."
WELL the pigs will be safe-they don't eat pork over there. but omgosh don't let any people go besides troups armed to the teeth.
THEIR "nutjob book" PG?
What about YOUR nutjob book?
Eh?
If Muslims are concerned about their security in the US they should try being Americans or going to a Muslim country, we all know how secure those are. As long as they are not, Americans are going to be always and forever concerned about our own security since 911. We need to feel secure about them being here. What have they done to ease our concerns? NOTHING! And building a mosque at the site where our concerns were, for the most part, aroused is not going to cut it. Between the Muslims whining about us not accepting their religion, the newly legalized illegal Mexican immigrants flaunting our laws in our face, and a president ignoring our Constitution and rule of law, we are about stretched to the limit of our good will. Just saying.
What you do mean being Americans???? Your an Anti AMerican Domestic Terrorist. scumbag
SINCE 1861 Americans have been attacked by people in their own country. For so called religonist reasons. YOUR JUST THE SAME AS ANY TERRORIST. Fed by hate!
Thantham, apparently you're a Muslim scumbag. Even if you weren't a Muslim scumbag and Islam was a fluffy kitty, licky puppy, Easter Bunny sort of religion, we still don't need it. We have way too much religion already in this country. Furthermore, religion, especially Islam, has no answers for anything, unless you want to be a retarded child rapist like Mohammed, who probably didn't even exist. Straighten your "religion" out, stop murdering, stop raping little girls and boys, stop stoning women, stop hanging gay men, stop throwing acid on little school girls, stop lying, stop bombing, stop hijacking airplanes, stop threatening the world, stop trying to implement sharia, grow the f*ck up, shut the f*ck up, catch the f*ck up and maybe we'll talk. Our freedom in the West was a product of a couple of thousand years or more of effort, blood, sweat and tears. All you have had is 1,400 years of insanity and murder. We don't have much of our freedom left, but you Muslims will find yourselves vaporized by Western technology before we give it up. Jimmy Caan said it best in Thief "I will never, ever take a pinch from a greasy m*t*e*f*c*e* like you" ...
Pray Hard : When you talk about your 2000 years of effort, blood, sweat and tears compared to 1400 years of insanity and murder, I assume you include :
- The slaughter of the native americans and Incas by christians
- The holocaust
- The inquisition
etc...
?
Compare the number of deaths in this to the wars of Islam and count.
Oh I forget, you probably are as good with numbers as you are with history.
Clue No1: Ask yourself why jews followed muslims out of Spain to North Africa rather than stay and enjoy the presence of christians.
Ask yourself why there are so many christians in muslim land after 1400 years if muslims really wanted to kill people of other religions.
Ask yourself why muslims never did anything remotely similar to the Inquisition.
Yup. More secure than the USA here in Dubai. We had 23 murders last year in Dubai. Two weekends ago, Chicago had 8 murders. No churches, temples or mosques have been burnt here.
@Pray hard
Look in the mirror and you will see the enemy you fear. You are exactly like an extremist of the other side. If you were born in an impoverished Muslim country, you'd be the type an extremist group would recruit.
Our freedom was won, when we finally kicked extremist like you out of power within our culture. Sadly, this is regressing a little in the US.
Bob - 9/11 was a false flag attack. The Mossad infiltrated the dumb hi jackers long before the attacks. They were allowed to be used as the scapegoats. The WTCs all fell in controlled demolitions, not because of airplane strikes. Bldg 7 was not even hit, yet it fell in 6.5 seconds, straight down into it's own footprint. All 3 buildings had been recently insured for billions by Silverstein, the zionist who owned all 3 buildings. What a lucky break.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgABDdU7yD8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ&feature=player_embedded#
Architects and Engineers explain the controlled demolition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&feature=fvwrel --- bldg 7 falling
Uh, oh, here come the kooks.
Yup - RalphH is back, spewing his 9/11 conspiracy theory. Give it up Ralph, nobody here is interested.
It appears these military officers have the same concerns as me.You may not be interested in the truth Gumps, but those who love America sure as hell want the truth. There is far more evidence that the buildings were rigged with nano hermite than there is of them falling because of a plane crash, especially when one considers Bldg 7 was not even hit by a plane.
After 9/11, the US kicked 200 Israelis out of the country. Our government is well aware of the fact that Zionists were the real culprits behind 9/11. Here is an incredible story of a magic passport found near the WTC after the crash.
The passport of 9/11 hijacker Satam Al Suqami is reportedly
found a few blocks from the World Trade Center. [ABC News, 9/12/2001; Associated Press, 9/16/2001; ABC News, 9/16/2001] Barry Mawn, the director of the
FBI’s New York office, will say that police and the FBI find it during a “grid
search” of the area. [CNN, 9/18/2001] However a senior counsel to the
9/11 Commission will later claim the passport is actually discovered by a
passerby and given to a New York City Police Department detective, “shortly
before the World Trade Center towers collapsed.” [9/11 Commission, 1/26/2004] According to FBI
agent Dan Coleman, Al Suqami’s passport is handed to a New York City detective
who is “down there, trying to talk to people as they were coming out of the
buildings.” By the time the detective looks up again after receiving the
passport, the man who handed it to him has run off, “which doesn’t make sense,”
Coleman will say. The passport is then given to a detective on the Joint
Terrorism Task Force. Coleman will say that by this evening, “we realized… that
this was the passport of one of the people that headquarters had identified as
one of the 19 probable hijackers.” [France 5, 3/14/2010] Investigative journalist Nick
Davies will later write that he talked to “senior British sources who said they
believed that the discovery of a terrorist’s passport in the rubble of the Twin
Towers in September 2001 had been ‘a throwdown,’ i.e. it was placed there by
somebody official.” [Davies, 2009, pp. 248] The Guardian
will comment, “The idea that Mohamed Atta’s passport had escaped from that
inferno unsinged [tests] the credulity of the staunchest supporter of the FBI’s
crackdown on terrorism.” (Note that, as in this Guardian account, the passport
will frequently be mistakenly referred to as belonging to Atta, not Al Suqami.)
http://www.militaryofficersfor911truth.org/
Oh god another 9/11 conspiracy theorist, seriously Ralph this stuff gets boring.
Bob W
Who the hell do you think you are to judge who is desirable enough to be let into this country?
Bloody arrogant, I'd say..
I'll bet you anything that there was a good chance that YOUR ancestors were deemed undesirable by someone when they came here.
“I'll bet you anything that there was a good chance that YOUR ancestors were deemed undesirable by someone when they came here.”
It could be that his ancestors came to America because they were deemed undesirable, what with the Penal Colonies and all lol
Hisssssss........LOL
So much for freedom of religon
If Islam was a religion. It's not. It's a militaristic totalitarian ideology of hate and murder.
Pray, I think theologians of all stripes (who actually know about these things) would disagree with you. You think you know something, but in reality all you have is fear of anything different than you and anything beyond your understanding. I wonder, do you think calculus is out to kill you as well?
good-they are the ones that don't seem to fit in.
Born America and I am think about being a muslim. =) I have lots of Muslims as friends and they work hard and are more polite then most =)
So you hate eveyone that is not a Muslim-what else is new Osama. And your comment to me was polite? You have proved my point-thanks.
You must be a complete retard. Why would anyone with an IQ above 70 even think of following Islam, the most intellectually retarded, hate filled, bigoted, blood lust, emotionally retarded ideology on the planet?!
ok Mr. Christian Terrorist "Pray Hard" I can play this game to.
You must be a complete retard. Why would anyone with an IQ above 70 even think of following Christianity, the most intellectually retarded, hate filled, bigoted, blood lust, emotionally retarded ideology on the planet?!
How do Christians live in America. They don't even understand freedom! I think they would be happier in Russia. I like Russia by the way.
Hey Pray, have you ever heard of the Renaissance? You know, that time period where Europe finally threw off the restrictions and prejudices of the Catholic church and rediscovered ancient Greek wisdom and philosophy, mathematics, and medicine. Do you have even a clue how that knowledge survived for a thousand years of Christian suppression?
That knowledge survived and multiplied in the Islamic world. Especially in medicine and mathematics they added immeasurable knowledge. It is not an accident that we still use Arabic numerals for all of our mathematics in the west. Oh, and one of the centers of this knowledge was a city in Spain called Cordoba, which had the second largest library in the world in the 12th century and was known everywhere for it's religious tolerance, unlike what it became after the Christian King Ferdinand and his wife Isabella drove out the Muslims and forced the Jews to convert.
Sorry about all the historical facts, but your prose kind of reminds me of the dark ages European intellectual ability.
First of all all of us on this earth are human beings. We have no job to judge others. Each one is answerable for his/her actions. No religion condone killings. The real problem is we tend to take advantage of religion to justify one's wrong doing. The three monotheistic religions have addressed mankind, bringing almost the same message, with a few reservations that are particularly related to rituals. That God is one and man should adore only one God, the Omnipotent and Omniscient, are common to all the three religions. The Day of Judgment is another common feature. Protection of human life and of the right of possession, sharing one’s riches with the poor, seeking peace and justice, praise of God on every occasion, giving thanks to God and praying are some other points shared by these three religions.
are you going to "fit in" or will they be checking you at the door?
Oh, heavens, Habibul Alam. Don't point out to the "Christians" here the things their religion shares with Islam or Judaism. Their heads will explode!
When Muslims stop attacking us and threatening us, they will magically find that attacks against them will cease. However, they believe that they have the Allah-given right to attack and kill us with impunity, with no consequences, and that we're simply supposed to accept it. Furthermore, they believe that we have no right to protect ourselves and or retaliate against their attacks. Hey, I don't say it. They scream it from every corner of the Earth 24/7/365. Do Muslims apologize for their attacks against us? No, they don't.
This is mostly all bullsh*t anyway. The overwhelming majority of "hate" attacks are against Jews, gays, etc., not Muslims. Muslims are whiners and professional victims. Given half a chance they'd slit every throat of every non-Muslim American in a heartbeat. Furthermore, they have no allegiance to our country anyway, only to Islam. They also scream that 24/7/365 from every corner of the Earth.
Pray Hard-662027
You have no allegiance to America. You promote Terrorism
You say that as a proud citizen of the United States, who :
- overthrew a democratically elected president in Iran
- supported tens of dictators over the years in the middle east
- gives one sided support to Israel and protects it from international law
- invaded a country that had not attacked the US and killed tens of thousands of people
Funny isn't it that muslims want to kill americans after all of that.
Have you not wondered why muslims didn't attack the US say 70 or 100 years ago ? It was because they don't give a @!$%# about the US, do what you want ON YOUR OWN SOIL ! Leave the middle east to middle eastern, if you mess with them, they'll mess with you.
You americans started the war with the middle east, not them. Leave them alone, it's their land, not yours.
Thank you berry much! i understand your flustration i have only been here a short distance.. how is the weather in boluxi?
Just like gays have magically never been attacked by hate filled people in the US, right, Prey Hard?
We should be appalled by violence in any form against innocent people, and call out those who support it. Otherwise we are exactly like their extremists. Don't try and make excuses, if a mosque is attacked, we should worry and stop others from being attacked.
When Republicans stop attacking us and threatening us, they will magically find that attacks against them will cease. However, they believe that they have the GOD-given right to attack and kill us with impunity, with no consequences, and that we're simply supposed to accept it. Furthermore, they believe that we have no right to protect ourselves and or retaliate against their attacks. Hey, I don't say it. They scream it from every corner of the Earth 24/7/365. Do Christians apologize for their attacks against us? No, they don't.
This is mostly all bullsh*t anyway. The overwhelming majority of "hate" attacks are against Jews, gays, etc., not Christians. Christians are whiners and professional victims. Given half a chance they'd slit every throat of every non-christian American in a heartbeat. Furthermore, they have no allegiance to our country anyway, only to God. They also scream that 24/7/365 from every corner of the Earth.
SAME THING BUB
Extremists of any religious belief system are the same. They could all be brothers in their hate of others.
Seems like you have an issue with Christians- not sure what it is - but Christians are a persecuted people.
Christians persecute the world!
So are Muslims. I protect Americans' Freedoms, It is my job.
Oh, my goodness. So many people claiming to be "Christians" yet possess no knowledge or understanding of the Christian religion.
Christians are NOT a persecuted people.
What a load of crap.
And yes BUCKO you do scream it 24/7/365 and it is very annoying
To the Americans who choose to follow Islam. Pease be upon you. Their are Americas that care for you and respect you. Thank You for praticeing your Freedoms That is very American
Another traitor heard from ... nice.
YO Panther Hunter
Republicans commit far more Terrorist attacks against America then Islamic people.
THAT is a fact!!
So who are the Traitors.
So, Panther, following Islam in America makes one a "traitor", eh? My, how bigoted of you!
Panther Hunter is the one who is a traitor to this country.
Sounds like they're in deep Shiite, but don't worry - things will look more Sunni tomorrow.
To Hell with "Muslim security concerns". What about OUR security concerns which have escalated beyond belief because of Muslims? Just think about how much safer you'd feel if you woke up in the morning and Islam and Muslims had disappeared from the Earth. Islam is poison.
So is Catholicism when it comes to priests sexually assaulting thousands of children and the monsignors, bishops, cardinals and popes covering for them. Imagine the terror these poor children go through.
Do you pray hard for them?
Maybe then the US should remove it's troops from all the Muslim lands it is occupying and quit propping up dictators who oppress their people just so the US can have cheap oil. Here's a hint: people don't like living under dictators and they do know who owns the money and guns that keep their dictators supplied.
Advocating genocide, or do you wish God would do it for you? I bet you think you are a rational good christian. You are exactly the type that screws things up in the world. Your type exists in all faiths, and they are the extremist we need to watch out against.
Pray Hard.
You need to pray to your make believe God. My security concern is people like you.
What are you going to do about it. Get it threw your thick skull. YOU CAN'T CONTROL AMERICA. BECAUSE WE ARE FREE!!!!!!
What the hell are YOU going to do. KILL AMericans is your only freakn answer. THAT MAKES YOU A TERRORIST
yes pray hard-we are just letting this land get out of control, but don't worry they'll always be some crazy white boy armed to the teeth ready to defend his rights and freedoms, whats scary is that he isn't a Christian. He's a skin-head nazi. they better beef of their security if they know whats good for them-damn shame America did this to herself. people will fight back in some way shape or form, just don't know what angle it will come from.
This country is in far more danger from the right wing religious zealots claiming to follow "Christianity" than it ever has been or ever will be from a follower of Islam.
Amen and Amen!!
just nuke it all already.my religion can beat up your religion.jesus loves the little children,all the children of the world,red and yellow black and white,when they grow up,they will fight,jesus nuke this fn ball of dirt.you all make me sick.
Let me say first i am anti muslim not anti Arab,Iranian, Iraqian ,Egyptian, Syrian or any other middle eastren person. I became really upset when i read this. We as americans can't make a decent home made explosive device in this country. "They threw it against the window" and it didn't break? Shot at a mosque with paint balls? BB guns? Are you kidding me? These bastards flew air craft into the united states blew it up and changed the country forever..hell even the japs didn't even do that. I don't like what they did. I hate them for it. In my opinion we haven't got even for it yet. But i got to give credit where credit is due. They executed a brilliant plan. Im not even upset about the wars over there. We should have been way more aggressive and less merciful. kill them all and let GOD sort them out kinda thing.Our GOD not theirs. If you insist on venting your anger out on these peolple with violence at least get as good at it as they are.This is embarrassing. Otherwise leave them alone. Thank you berry much.
And lets judge all Germans on Hitler and the millions of his followers. And we can judge all Italians on the actions of Mussolini. And we certainly need to judge all Catholics on the actions of thousands of priests that sexually assault little children.
Yeah. Lets go there.
And all of us for the genocide of the Native Americans.
My ancestors were in Ireland being oppressed by the British when we were stealing Native American land.
The people in those mosques did not fly planes into any building. If they had, they would not have been alive and in the mosque. "These bastards". You are a racist and a bigot, not to mention ignorant and unthinking.
circles.round and round.where it stops,nobody knows.a sound arguement indeed.law of the jungle.or god as you say.circles.like the flushing of a toilet.round and round and down.nuke it all.
Send them back to where they came from. That way - they won't have any complaints.
How about we send you back to where YOU came from?
Can't we all just get along?
Canceled
Why not? After at least 1,500 years of the known Abrahamic Religions, we have become educated and enlightened and science has opened our eyes wider Why cant we accept the the principle
" Do not argue with the people of the Book, except in the nicest manner -unless they transgress- and say, “We believe what has been sent down to us, and we believe what has been sent down to you. Our God and your God is one and the same. And to Him we submit.” (29:46)