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Isela Meraz and Fernando Lopez lead a group of undocumented Hispanics in protest against anti-immigration laws during a briefing on the civil rights effects of state immigration law held by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in Birmingham, Ala.
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. -- Protesters opposed to strict state-level immigration laws confronted one of the key writers of such legislation as he testified at a U.S. Department of Justice civil rights hearing here on Friday.
Holding up small banners with the words "undocumented" on them, four self-proclaimed undocumented immigrants stood up one at a time to denounce the laws, interrupting the testimony being given by Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who helped author the measures in Alabama and Arizona.
Kobach, who advised those states before being elected to statewide office in Kansas, and others were invited to speak about the impact of such laws by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, an independent commission of the federal government.
But the session was interrupted by protests.
"I have received a lot of discrimination. I am Maria Huerta, undocumented and without fear. I have no fear! You have to respect our rights. They are civil rights," the 65-year-old woman, originally from Mexico, cried out just before throwing the hearing agenda on the floor. "I leave it there. Keep it. You don't know how to respect human suffering."
Huerta is among a group of undocumented immigrants traveling across the country in a caravan to highlight their situation and those of others still living in the shadows. Before landing in Alabama, the ragtag caravan made stops in Colorado, New Mexico, Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Tennessee. Their ultimate goal is the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, N.C., where they intend to press their concerns.
Moments before Huerta spoke, another group of five women stood up and turned their backs on the commission as Kobach began his testimony. They wore shirts that spelled out "stop hate."

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Secretary of State Kris Kobach of Kansas addresses the commission during a briefing on civil rights effects of state immigration laws held by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in Birmingham, Alabama on August 17, 2012.
Emotions ran high later when protesters called Kobach, a "liar," with Mayra Rangle, 32, telling commissioners: "It's a shame you invited him and him," as she pointed to those invited to speak.
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After the hearing, Kobach said the protesters had the right to voice their opinions, but the interruptions were disrespectful.
"It's inherently rude and it disrespects the American process of deliberation and careful policy making," he said. "It's really unfortunate when one side in a debate results to personal insults instead of bringing information and making a coherent point."
When asked why he didn't respond to them when challenged, he said: "I was there to respond to the panel not the protesters."
During the protest, the civil rights commissioners argued about the presence of the demonstrators, with Commissioner Todd Gaziano, a Heritage Foundation fellow, denouncing the lack of security and Commissioner Michael Yaki, of Michael Yaki Consulting, noting the demonstrators were acting in the form of non-violent protest.

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Civil Rights commissioner Michael Yaki addresses a crowd of mostly undocumented immigrants in downtown Birmingham, Ala.
Gerardo Torres, 41, a Mexican who lives in Phoenix, said after the hearing that those who wrote the immigration laws were out of touch.
"I don't think they have ever been in contact with regular people," he said. "At the end of the day, I think they just go back to their gated community. ... They are not in touch with reality."

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Mayra Rangel, 32, from Blout County, Alabama, protests during a briefing on the effects of state immigration laws.
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So they disrespect our laws and disrespect our law makers. And they want our sympathies?
Send them all home.
Hell, I'll drive the bus.
They have no rights here. Not even the right to be here. That's the whole point.
I agree XD, they stand there and basically said "We are breaking your laws, we want you to know and @!$%# you if you think we shouldn't be able to ignore your laws. We don't have to." At least that's what I see.
What civil rights do illegal immigrants have?... in ANY country? 0.0
The sheer gall of these people is astounding. Well, when you have a scumbag for a president that refuses to enforce the country's laws and violates many others, all for political gain, these illegals know they can get away with pretty much anything. This country is rotting from within.
Illegal immigrants wouldn't be here if they couldn't get jobs.
How many of those panelists sitting at the table have ever taken the cheap way out and hired labor of unknown origin? How many of you posting here?
If you had a neighbor feeding bears and suddenly your neighborhood was overrun with bears, would you blame the bears or the neighbor?
Just sayin'
Seriously, this is too easy. If someone is asking to be deported by announcing their undocumented status, oblige them and deport them. The problem is that they've been fooled into thinking they have rights in this country similar to a US citizen.
XDm9mm - You drive, I'll buy the gas.
Why aren't these people being arrested?
And this Maria Huerta creature...seriously, woman? Don't come illegally into our country and start telling us what to do. Is this the culture you claim you want to share with us? Yes, that's pretty much the culture I see your people sharing here in San Diego...rudeness, trashiness, childish, brazen, and give me, give me, give me!
Robbie- They aren't being arrested because the federal government is prohibiting states from enforcing existing immigration laws, putting injunctions against them for trying to or writing new immigration laws for themselves. The federal government has no interest in enforcement- that's why they aren't being arrested.
I'm no "journalist" but I would have appreciated some investigative journalism while you were there "covering" the story. You should have asked each of the protestors the following:
1. How did you get here?
2. How have you made a living while here?
3. Have you started a family while here? Is your spouse legal?
4. What have you done for healthcare while here?
5. What have you done about the education of your family while here?
6. What is your goal for staying here? What do you want by staying in the USA?
7. What made you want to come here? Where did you come from?
Those are good questions that I haven't been hearing from any "reporters" covering the story. Why ask them questions? To get a better picture of the other side of the legal coin. I'd like to know why they are here and why they came. I'd like to know their view of the country's laws and do they ever wish to abide by them. I'd like to know if they let visas expire or not.
E-verify would send these people packing at very little cost to ourselves. No one gets hassled or stopped in the street, but they'll leave when they can't support themselves.
What irks me is you did that in their country you'd be jailed, or worse. What about the $50k+ illegal immigrants that committed crimes in our country (including MURDER) and they are walking the streets because our laws are so skewed. They get out of prison on the assumption they will be deported then their country of origin WON'T take them back and we can't put them back in jail. There is a TX rep that's trying to get legislature passed that if the country of origin won't take them back then we will not issue visas to that country. Obama and crew are trying to block it.
gee - if only agriculture and meat processing plants not hire these undocumented. However seeing how no "pure white" American dare work a day in the fields, or process cows, pigs and chickens for your table, or work in construction - these folks are happy for the work.
If a "pure" American was to pick veggies from the fields - guess you be happy paying four or five times as much for those same veggies.
No "pure" American is qualified to operate a leaf blower - so guess you might have to rake your own yard (Mit Romney relied on illegals to manicure his lawn.
Guessing you do not mind paying another 30 to 40 thousand for that new house - as undocumented be replaced by "pure" Americans and we all know they won't lift a shovel for anything below $20 per hour.
Careful what you wish for - most of you rely on the sweat and backs of undocumented workers (hired by US corporations) for them roll back specials and deals at the store....
but then if your part of the 1-percent - you got there by the new slavery (Ayn Rand) anyway.....
Don't worry - when crops are rotting in the fields because nobody will pick them - more room at the grocery store for imported veggies.
Your choice - but for every action, there is an equal re-action.
Last but not least - what would YOUR Jesus and God do? Oh that's right - you folks are only religious for 1 hour on Sunday....
I have every respect for Immigrants who have gone through the documentation process, come here legally and worked their butts off in professions that aid and help our society and country, they deserve and have earned the welcome mat to the US.
These people taint the hard work legal immigrants must go through to get here. Send them back to register for immigration like everyone else must, then see how they answer the questions "Have you ever been present in the United States Illegally".
figment- I don't care who builds my house as long as they are documented. Perhaps if laws allowed people to come here to work in construction and on farms it may be a way to solve the problem. In AUstralia and NZ they have seasonal worker VISAs, not sure if they do here.
These people seem to think we own them something and we don't. If they don't like their country, have a revolution like we did. They are not Americans and are not entitled to any rights, liberties or the pursuit of our happiness. Hit the bricks!!! Oh and to the undocumented woman who burned her ass on a black marble bench outside of Cowboys Stadium and is now sueing because it was too hot and got third degree burns, 1. Its Texas and its hot as hell in August, 2. Our Gene pool is shallow enough and 3. How long did you have to sit there to get third degree burns before your slow ass brain told you your fat ass was on fire? Didn't your undocumented mom teach you about hot and cold?
Why were they not arrested and handed over to ICE? I cannot understand the lack of enforcement in this country. We have become a sad state when our immigration enforcement hides and seems afraid to come out of the shadows. Do your damn job and throw them out!!
Actually, undocumented immigrants do have many rights in the U.S. under the Constitution. Surely nobody thinks we can lock them up without due process, or torture them because the 8th amendment doesn't apply to them.
I haven't seen anyone act as if we owe them something. It seems as if they want the chance to work hard and support their families.
I have to admit that it disturbs me that there seems to be a concentrated effort by some to paint anyone that is against illegal immigration as just anti-immigrant period when that is not necessarily the truth. There is a difference and it seems like a slap in the face to anybody who spent a lot of money and time to follow the legal process to not distinguish the difference between the two. Letting illegal immigrants have amnesty is in essence telling those who did it legally that they were fools and that laws and following them are inconsequential when it comes to getting what you want.
This issue alone should send Odumbo packing in January, say nothing of the sorry ass economy. This is outrageous, here illegally now rubbing our faces in it. My solution, a 50% tax on gross profits for anyone employing these people. We didn't pay to have these people come here, we shouldn't pay to send them back either. While here, they should not be eligible for 1 red penny of assistance that is funded through taxes. If they want to become citizens, then do it through the proper channels, then I'll welcome you here, till then, get out!
First word says it all - ILLEGAL
This guy had something good to say:
"Our federal wallet is stretched to the limit by illegal aliens getting welfare, food stamps, medical care and other benefits, often without paying taxes." "Safeguards like welfare and free medical care are in place to boost Americans in need of short-term assistance,..." "These programs were not meant to entice freeloaders and scam artists from around the world." - Senator Harry Reid 1993
In 1993, Senator Reid introduced a bill-- the Immigration Stabilization Act--to cut back on all immigration, both legal and illegal.
our politicians on both sides are cowards! Let's stop sugarcoating this and call them what they are...ILLEGALS!!
What I want to know is why the cop in the first picture didn't arrest that guy when he openly admitted to committing a crime?
In a related story, child molesters are protesting the laws against pedophelia.
So there is a surreal nature to these protests: something like, “Please do not send me back to the culture I nostalgically praise; please let me stay in the culture that I ignore or deprecate.” – Victor D. Hanson – Two Californias – National Review Online Dec. 15, 2010
They have more rights than we do...they pay no taxes, no medical costs, no food costs...we support them, how nice of them to rant and rave. Thanks Barry for making enforcement of the immigration laws happen, we do appreciate it.
If we don't act soon, we will rue the day.This small group represents a far larger group which defies our laws. The fact they now openly ride the streets going from state to state declaring to the world they have no fear is but a warning.And a President who allows this to continue because he has his own agendas. He has had four years almost and nothing has been done. What more do our leaders want? Are they waiting for riots?We already have so many crimes being committed by them,money flowing back to Mexico from work that our people should be doing.Which they claim no American would ever consider taking because it is beneath our dignity. Really?Who do they think worked so hard in every state in this nation before they illegally came here?
They have seen the bounty and freedoms, the fruits that are the results of sacrifices and hard work of others, and decided they can just take it. Without obeying the laws everybody else who wants to live here is following and those living here obey.They set their own rules. Obviously a good character is not as important to them as feeling entitled. They have lived here so long, that they now feel they have "rights". The only right they have is apply for citizenship like everybody else.
Until then, go back and stop taking what doesn't belong to you.The taxpayers money, resources of communities and adding to the burden of Americans suffering through crime. America doesn't want every person who demands to be an American.Just as a man would not want every person who demanded to enter him home. But those who were respectful, decent and of good character.Of course tougher laws are needed. For people who may be prone to acting out to get what they want, we may need to be prepared with tougher consequences. Non-violent protests?Seems to me a lot of disrespectful, rudeness was shown, And that usually leads to violence. It certainly wasn't peaceful.It only takes an instigator or two for things to get real ugly fast. Our leaders had better wake up or down the road we may see violence.
Obama would rather sue American citizens trying to protect themselves and their resources from illegal aliens.
“All persons are puzzles until at last we find some word or act the key to the man, to the woman; straightaway all their past words and actions lie in light before us.” - Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)
Of course they have no fear. Our politicians wont do a damn thing about it.
We may as well forget about it. They are way to big of a voting block now. Even Romney is pandering to them. Its over.
Why are these undocumented aliens in this country? Because they are hard working people who will do jobs native-born Americans just won't do. Who hires them? Restaurants, hotels, construction companies, agricultural businesses, and many others. After years of service doing unpleasant, difficult, and frequently dangerous jobs they become expendable when loudmouth politicians find it advantageous to pander for votes by crying wolf. These folks wouldn't be in Alabama or any other state if they couldn't find jobs and they wouldn't be hired if it weren't for employers eager for applicants who still have a strong work ethic. Furthermore, if it was convenient to look the other way while they worked hard for years in communities across the country, why shouldn't they speak up when it suddenly becomes politically expedient to cast them out of their homes and to send them and their children to a country that is no longer theirs? So before you gas bags make empty threats to drive these poor folks to the nearest border, ask yourselves who will do the dirty jobs these people are willing to do when they are gone. Hint: it certainly won't be any of you lazy American citizens.
These illegal aliens make me sick and the parasitic politicians supporting them make me sicker
Clotho....."I haven't seen anyone act as if we owe them something. It seems as if they want the chance to work hard and support their families."
I would highly recommend you do some research on:
And then get back to this blog and tell the posters that Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) don't want something for nothing.
Your comment: "chance to work hard and support their families" is typical Liberal mania. If these folks wanted to "work hard" and "support their families", then they can do that in their home country.
Senior Sailgato: and they steal our social security numbers too...by the way, that's also a crime.
President Obama needs to be impeached. He has violated his oath of office to uphold the laws of this country. He has instructed his justice department not to pick up and deport these illegals, even when they flaunt the fact that they are here illegally, disrupt the functioning of our government, and generally just thumb their noses at this country and it's laws. Obama has had his justice department tell ICE agents that not only are they not to enforce immigration laws, but that they face being fired if the dare to arrest on of these illegals. Obama's conduct is reprehensible. He has failed to uphold the constitution and has in fact willfully violated it on more than one occasion. He should be impeached not reelected. I fear what will happen to this country if Obama is given four more years in office where he does not have to worry about getting reelected again. If you think his actions have been bad up until now, wait and see what happens if he gets reelected and sees no need to even worry about what the American people think of his actions and policies.
Wrong again...they do jobs at a wage Americans cant afford to work for. All the trades in construction have been invaded, they are no longer available. Everyone should be concerned about this...those that used to love to work with their hands will now have to compete with the rest of the work force for the jobs that remain.
I do not want to hear ANY BITCH*ng From Obama's Minions, Each and everyone of these ILLEGAL's are his STEP CHILDREN. leave them alone their 'STEP-DADDY told them to come here and we would take care of them.
Name me just one modern day President that has done anything to address this issue, other than granting blanket amnesty. Just one will do.
People need to stop the partisan crap. This problem didn't just appear under his administration.
Delusional much? When you post blatent lies, you are soon cast aside.
This is true,,,we have absolutely no representation on this matter. This is very very concerning.
It really is very concerning Kornfed. The last thing we need are Americans pointing fingers at just one administration.
Our company goes to great measures to ensure that only documented Americans are hired.
Have you noticed that none of these protestors are in AZ? Wonder why.
An Eagle Point, Ore., man has begun serving a 30-day jail sentence after he built three reservoirs on his property to collect rainwater -- an apparent violation of a state law that says all water is publicly owned.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/08/16/man-jailed-for-collecting-rainwater-in-illegal-reservoirs-on-his-property/#ixzz23qDlBw6w
If the "undocumented" want to protest, then load em up and ship em home, they can protest al they want there....only in america land of the free can "undocumented" people protest and get sympathy from the gov. and other weak sisters....but if we the documented, or residents protest were called racists and bigots.
We have to respect their rights? My blood is flippin' boiling. What rights? They're freaking illegal, beginning to end. We've been paying a freaking fortune for their medical care and their children's education. Hmmm, maybe we should keep the best & smartest of the children and chase the rest home.
Send that damned bus on a straight line to Mexico! I'm fed up and it appears the overwhelming majority here on this site (at least today) are too. Most of us don't hate them for their race, so they might as well cut out that racist & hater crap.
These bastards are allowed shove the law in our faces because our supreme leader is afraid of losing votes if he enforces it.....what a pathetic excuse for an American.
@ Julkie,
Bears? In some parts of the world it is monkey's people are dealing with. You would think people would be a little smarter than either of these animals and go where they would be welcome. I've never seen a sigh inviting illegal's to take jobs, food, housing, education or medication as a right of being in the United States. If things keep going the way they are having a department in government to deal with immigration is pretty much a waste of money. It won't be until bombs start exploding in our country that people really start crying and wanting our borders closed or is the government going to claim it was home grown terrorist?
@ Proud2BaVet,
I'm sure the local water department will argue about who owns the water!
Pardon, I should clarify,illegal immigrants actually do have the same basic rights as Americans under the Bill of Rights.It would just be great to see them exercise the right we give to all seeking to become a citizen, by applying from their native country and waiting.But they have no incentive to do so. I mean why should they? For so many, no taxes, free medical care, education verses going home. To crime, poverty, no jobs no future, no education for kids.
are already on a bus admitting that they are here illegally therefore breaking the law!!!! Escort the bus to the Mexican border and ship their illegal backsides to where they belong, if Mexico is so bad they need to fix it. Shoot them if they return.
Take them back to Mexico. Dump them in the center of the drug cartels' territory. Problem solved.
Couple of things.
First it's not black and white. Some of the illegals didn't know they where illegal until they applied for jobs. Then they found out that they where born here and raised as a legal citizen, but where not. How would you like to have been raised here then told you are illegal at 18 years of age and that you must go back to where you came from? Even though where you came from is the United States. Can you imagine being trucked over the border into Mexico and just dropped off with no understanding of how things work down there? Wow.
Second, This talk about how come President Obama hasn't done anything is too funny. What President has done anything? None. I used to live in Socal and let me tell you this. Every time crops need picked all the sudden the check points for illegal aliens shut down, then when the crops are picked, all the sudden they open up again. This has gone on for all the Presidents that I have seen in office. Been on this earth now for 48 years and no President has tried to strengthen our borders. So before you spout about our current President, check your history or just don't say anything at all. Also let me state that I have seen few "Americans" who can do half the work these "Illegal Aliens" do. Especially in the heat of Socal. So if you "Send them all back where they came from" who are going to pick your crops and how much will your grocery bill go up? Think before you open your wind hole to speak.
What rights. If they are illegal the word says it all. In fact they are chriminals. In the countries they come from anyone pulling what they're pulling would be locked up and the key thrown away. Why not have them meet the same standards required to live and work in the countries they come from.
You guys need to read the Bill of Rights. Obviously you're ignorant of the country in which you live. Shame, it's bigots like you people remember about the United States.
The reason ICE won't arrest them is now being "illegal" isn't illegal enough to get you deported you have to have done a serious crime..........they do have immunity under this administration.
Jeff - I am tired of being called a bigot because I respect the laws of my country.
Maybe we should all stop paying taxes until we get our government to uphold the laws that we elected them to write for us.
Wow, I wish I had the money to just travel around the country shouting at people.
The best (not easiest) solution would be to fix the craphole countries these people are fleeing from.
We are like firefighters telling people to go back into the burning building for the last 40 years.
These Illegals should have been arrested the second they entered the Hearing and caused a disturbance aqnd sent back to Mexico. In Mexico if they acted as they have in the U.S. they would have been shot. But then again, maybe that's what needs to happen if the Feds. Politicians and some Law Enforcement continue to give aid and comfort to those that break our laws. It's time for someone to enforce U.S. Law and send the Illegals back to Mexico where they belong.
Really? Then why are crops rotting in the fields in Alabama since the undocumented aliens have been rounded up? Can it be that our red-blooded American citizens won't stoop to working in the fields? You are shamefully ignorant of the issue but you haven't let that stop you from making asinine comments anyway.
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Look at this nonsense and no one will arrest the illegals and throw their ass in jail and deport them yet a man was recently arrested for illegally collecting rain water. What the hell is going on in this country? I guess the current administration is allowing folks to go to jail for illegally collecting water but won’t a thing for people who are illegally in our country costing the tax payer millions if not billions and then they have the audacity to make demands of our government. I am surprised people haven’t taken matters into their own hands, maybe they have figured out we would be the ones going to jail if we tried enforcing our current immigration laws. What a pathetic POS we have residing in the White House. Obama, Pelosi, Reid Holder and all of these illegals need to go NOW!
They are trying to copy the civil rights protest of the 60's with their bus tour. Problem is it is not a civil right issue until you resolve the "illegal"part. That is my opinion anyways. 3 doors down from me are a couple of families of illegal immigrants in a house they rent. All the women have children and are pregnant. Must be 6 new trucks in the yard. I am in construction also and after taxes and health insurance it is hard to survive. They will under bid you the tax and insurance rate and get the job. It is not that they are better or more qualified it is because they are cheap. People like me are getting pretty sick of them.
@sailcat no crops are rotting in Alabama. That was media hype and farmers not wanting to pay any taxes or withholdings.Mexico already beats us on prices of produce from their own country. Farmers are just trying to compete in an unfair market driven down by cheap labor.
"First it's not black and white. Some of the illegals didn't know they where illegal until they applied for jobs."
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This is the biggest load of manure I've ever read on these threads.
You can complain about my calling it like it is but if the shoe fits...
They aren’t worried that they will be deported by the feds. Obama needs their votes in November.
The voices in your head are filling it full of s**t. You might want to look into that.
So what your saying is all the blacks need to go back to Africa, all the Irish need to go back to Ireland, all the people who are not native American need to get out of this country and go back where they came from. Allot of these so called "Illegals" where born here like you and I. Just because their parents or grand parents came here illegally, they are consider illegal. Even though they where born and raised here next you your kids. You can collapse this too, but it doesn't change the bigot that you are. Republicans.. such bigots.
Figment, those veggies already cost 4 or 5x the sticker when you factor in the cost of illegals going into ER's and giving false info. Do you think the Hospital loses money? No, they just mark up their services on whole. How about education and the extra policing activities for issues brought on by illegals? And the export of currency to mama and papa in Mexico?
The cost on the sticker for strawberries is just the beginning of the true price we already pay.
There is one perfect solution: ROBOTS.
My fear is that as the feral federal government will not only continue to do nothing about this PROBLEM. They will continue to amplify it as well. Eventually, it will come down to bloodshed when, (not if), "The People" take matters into their own hands. Then the People will be fighting both those here unlawfully, the feral federal government, and their brainwashed minions...
brenda1964
I don't know who you are talking to Brenda, but I think what is being said is that we have and have had legal methods to come into this country for a long long long time. If you, as an individual, are not legal, then you are here illegally. I am okay with "no fault of your own" for those already present. But if you came illegally 5 years ago when you were 30... No - that is just not right, and you have to go back where you are in fact a citizen, otherwise, what is the point? Just throw away all laws and let whomever come and go as they please.
If there are no "pure whites" daring to work in these fields, why is every Obama commercial that talks about the poor farmer, feature a "pure white" old guy?
If you legalize all the illegal aliens, they will be making the wage democrats forced on to American businesses. The prices will still go up. Or are you advocating that American workers can now be paid what these hard working criminals have been making? It's either that, or it's just ok for these people because they're brown. And before anyone rips into me about calling them brown, why is it ok that I'm black and others are "pure white"? I don't remember seeing hispanic or latino in the Crayola box.
Why is it a great accomplishment that someone know how to operate a leaf blower? I bought my leaf blower so I didn't have to rake my lawn. Way to set the bar high. And the Mitt Romney comment just proves that he can create jobs.
We don't have to worry about this since Barney Frank and the rest of leftside gang, decided to insist that banks give loans to people who had no business getting them. And then when it all went bad they pointed the fingers at the very banks they extorted to begin with, causing them to withdraw and not loan anything to anyone. By the way Barney, thanks for dropping the value of my property by a third, I assume its now ok to stop by your place anytime I need to drop a deuce?
That's pretty arrogant to think that you could possibly understand what anyone relies on. I rely on a government to follow the same laws they require me to. Looks like everyone gets screwed.
You mean like the new slavery of promising everyone just enough to sustain life without any chance at achieving success or acquiring wealth for their children that they cant afford to have? No thank you, I'd rather try and become part of the 1%. Although by the time I get close enough, everyone will be complaining about the top 25% so I guess I have a lot to look forward to!!
I take back everything I said, you are a genius. If we import all of our veggies they will go to those countries to work those fields. Then the money we save from no longer needing to support illegals can be given to the farmers since we just destroyed there livelihoods. Or were thinking that after they left, we let the farmers grow again and not import anything? Because that would be cruel.
This is a correct statement.
How long should I be religious? I'm sorry if I'm doing ok and that I don't need to ask my GOD for everything. He gave me free will, I chose to use it to take care of myself as best I can.
If you came here or was born here, but not a Native American, then you need to go back where you came from. That's what you want, so you also need to leave, because this land was stolen from the Native Americans. The laws saying you came here legally or illegally was not written by the Native American from whom this land was stolen, so all you fake Americans need to leave. Starting with the rednecks and work our way up.
send them all back to there own country, we need to put our own to work not abunch of fn illigals Obama has messed up alot but this takes the cake! He needs to get out of office and we the americans need to take back our country and help our own for a change!!!! those illigals can keep their trashy ways in their own country and stop messing ours up!! Get Obama out along with this crap he did bringing in fn illigals!!!!!How stupid can somebody be?
I think if about 10,000,000 anglo saxons drove into Mexico City, worked for very little and demanded a hand out from tax payers to make ends meet they would be called lazy, law breaking, disrespectful, gringos and get sent back here without their vehicles. Ok, the last part was a joke .... based on facts, but seriously!
Maybe if our government didn't post signs saying 'no illegal entry' and another next to it saying 'it's illegal to question illegals' this country might find some direction for a change. Used to be that way before the push towards socialism.
Look, the illegals coming into America are just trying to better their lot....you'd do the same if the shoe was on the other foot....THAT being said, The way to stop this problem is to try, convict,and jail the people who hire these folks. And forfeiture of their companies and/or property will do nicely too.
As for the welfare collecting,etc., I did a little research, and at least here in San Diego county, you have to PROVE you are a citizen to be able to collect welfare,food stamps, etc.
I'm a liberal but I feel the ONLY right someone here illegally has is the right to leave. And not come back.
OR....Instead of jailing illegals, send them to humane work camps where they can pick all the crops they want, get shelter and medical care and education, provide for ALL their needs, and we can continue to have cheap labor in those fields. Same with welfare reciepiants.
Well, why do you think that Obama might be doing things like deferred action (coupled with opposing voter ID laws, by an odd coincidence) and coming out in support of gay marriage? You can’t really argue that it is because he believes these actions to be morally correct because, if that were the case, he would have done so when he was first sworn in.
Someone throw cold water on the guy with voices in his head. He is drifting deeper into his insane fantasies.
For a brisk dose of reality, here is a report by The Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law that shows voter fraud is not a problem in the US. It is an imaginary issue conjured up by the GOP to prevent minorities from voting.
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/
The only purpose served by the shameless attempts of the GOP to limit access by minorities to polling places is to prevent the citizens of the US...primarily African Americans and Latinos...from exercising their Constitutional rights to vote. The Republican Party is trying to drag this country back into the days of Jim Crow, poll taxes, and sitting at the back of the bus. Unfortunately, this arrangement would thrill the racists and bigots of the right wing lunatic fringe who are posting their insane ravings on this thread.
SDBruce: They get all that and more, have you not been paying attention? Illegals are treated better than citizens and they still complain? Please. I don't have free medical nor am I getting money from the government for having babies, nor do I get the food stamps and the welfare and the housing assistance and so on. Most citizens don't get the goodies that this group of people get and still they complain?
Let them complain, cut off the entitlements and then see how much they complain. They will all head home once the gravy train dries up. States are going bankrupt taking care of illegals, is that intelligent? Sometimes the bleeding heart needs to grow a brain.
Sailcat: Why don't you personally take those illegals in and support them on your dime? You're real good at demanding taxpayer largesse, why don't you PERSONALLY step up to the plate? Take care of the family which would mean the extended family of aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews and third cousins twice removed. Mexico was complaining when the deported kids ended up in Mexican schools. Guess why they were complaining? It cost too much to provide bi-lingual education. Get a clue here. It isn't politics, it is simple arithmetic, you can't keep providing for illegals when your own citizens are suffering. Then, as to voter fraud, perhaps you should investigate less left-wing sites, pablum for the liberals isn't information.
SDBruce,
You do NOT have to prove squat since Jerry Brown came into office. Go to any welfare office and see the wall to wall Hispanics...
I'll say it till I'm blue in the face...as long as we have unemployed people, people on welfare, and people locked up in our jails and prisons, we do not 'need' illegals.
So, Angela, you are advocating a return to slavery? It's so like you to say such a damnable thing.
See what's happening to this country, socialism. When 'legal' citizens assemble and protest 'illegally' they usually are beaten, arrested and thrown in jail but an 'illegal' can 'illegally' protest without fear of reprisal. It's no wonder they have the balls to be so outrageous, our own government tells them it's illegal to trespass but once they're in they know they're protected by the same entity that wasted tax payers money to 'supposedly' stop them at the border in the first place. They see the lie and figure that if our own government has the balls to disrespect it's citizens by pissing on their leg while telling them it's just rain then they have the biggest friend of all and will do as they please. This is going to come to a head and it ain't gonna be pretty. Americans, hold onto your guns, especially your assault weapons cause they have them in great supply in Mexico.
Sailcat...wrong again! Most fields are machine harvested now. They have moved into the trades and other venues.
Unemployed people will find jobs for a competitive wage, if illegals can no longer be found working at them.
As for welfare recipients and those in jail, HELL YES, they ought to be made to pay for themselves, one way or another. Frankly, I'm sick of paying for them to sit on their butts doing nothing, aren't you? You call it whatever you want, I don't care...
send them back to Mexico and have them all take a Muslim with them...solve 2 problems....
Here is a great idea by the Commissioner of agriculture in Alabama...
@Sailcat
Keep fighting the good fight. The haters are out in full(fool) strength tonight. You notice that there are a couple of sane ones but for the most part every hater and troll from the tea party is here squealing like the little piggies they are.
The haters happen to be the majority of the American people on this issue. Yes, even Democrats.
This is what happens when a government refuses to enforce its own laws--- it emboldens people to break the law with a sense of entitlement and impunity! I voted for Obama in '08, but I WILL NOT do so in November 2012 because he has sold out Americans and LEGAL immigrants by pledging rewards and special treatment for the immigration lawbreakers! HELL NO!
A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!
Haters? The only haters are the ones who hate American citizens and want to give said country to the illegals. Grow a brain. You and your ilk are the real haters, you hate this country and anyone who wants to defend it. You hate Americans who need work, you hate Americans who need help and are tossed aside to pander to illegals. You hate your schools that are underfunded and going broke to educate illegals. The real haters are those who hate the Taxpayers who pay for the entitlements that go to people in this country illegally. Is it wrong to complain about where the tax monies go, especially when the one's paying are the ones getting screwed?
Enough of the BS from the bleeding heart liberals, they don't personally pay for anyone, all they do is stand on a soapbox and whine and condemn. You little bleeding hearts take and pay for illegals out of your own pockets, bankrupt your families to do so and then you can point fingers, til then all you are is wasted air.
I would invite every single bleeding heart to an adopt an illegal day. You can have justone or a whole entire extended family at NO Cost to get the right to take them home!!! The catch is that YOU have to be their sole support with NO public assistance whatsoever!!!!
It makes me SICK that these protestors think they have the right to break the laws of this country, to be here illegally then demand that we respect them!!! What bull@!$%#!!! I totally respect those that follow the laws. wait many years and jump through every hoop for the right to be here. I have NO respect for those that sneak over the border in the dead of night and think they are ENTITLED to everything and anything American citizens have!!!!! I have NO respect fo the hundreds of thousand of illegals sitting in American jails and prison for a huge spectrum of crimes while their wives and kids sit in low income housing, eating food provide by food stamps getting medical and dental care that most Americans can barely afford or even have!!!!
I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE POLITICIANS THAT WILL NOT ENFORCE OUR LAWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Illegals go home and straighten up your own damn country!!!!
Kornfed
No, just you guys spewing your hatred here on the vine. I know, how about all you guys head out to the fields and orange groves and do some picking? Maybe then you'll appreciate just how hard these folks work. I doubt if the majority of you would last a week. Plus, those "illegals" would make you look kind of lazy. Imagine that, a fat, lazy gringo. Amazing!
when white people peacefully protest, they get beaten, shot with rubber bullets, sprayed with pepper spray cannons point blank in the face. when brown skinned people protest "peacefully" with profanities, insults, and disrespect, nobody does anything about it. that is racist.
if our politicians and police do not want to enforce our laws, then i say we all stop paying taxes, insurance, medical care costs, and educational costs. that is equality. they cannot arrest us all. withhold your money until they uphold our laws.
Has anyone but me noticed that this issue is uniting you and me and the neighbor next door? This has gone so far beyond politics, I think. Actual unemployment of citizens is bumping 14%, an all-time high for these United States citizens. The word is citizens.
This is an invasion, folks. War has been declared upon us. The ludicrous myth that American citizens don't want the jobs now being stolen by illegals is idiocy on its face and totally untrue. Yes, employers must begin to check citizenship of applicants and yes that is extra work for them. Still, all it takes from us is to obtain the certifications that apply and in a way that they cannot be lifted or stolen. Don't kid yourself; it can be done.
We all should carry with us, these days, a simple swipe card to prove our citizenship, including not just photo but uncopyable fingerprints. With today's technology which we excel in, it is not that big a deal. Our American employers should be more than willing to cooperate. My goodness, they are Americans, right? They and us should stick together and be proud to prove it.
Outsourcing must go, big time, and corporations who won't cooperate with that will not be able to bribe politicians enough to let them. (And politicians, you, know, must answer to us!) Except, I think those corporations will get next to what is most important... cheap labor or supporting our country? Or, let any of their masterminds who don't agree lose their citizenships. Believe me, that is a snap. If they try to block it, they prove their disloyalty to their country ... US ... and it can and should be a crime.
If you are not for us, we, your nation! you are against us!
This is an issue of Patriotism, not never nohow Politics. Keep to our Ps and Qs and don't misspell them :). (Patriots Qualify) So, will we stand by our own nation or do we let it go down the tubes?
You may think me an idealist, but I believe in US... US who fought to be citizens legally, and US who are the United States.
The world does not owe these "demonstrators" and their cohorts a living although they seem to think we do ... they better not think they can choose us to be their “world.” It's ours, and we sacrificed for it. You criminals do not know the meaning of that word... sacrifice. You think the Fabled Streets of Gold should be yours? What did you do to earn it!!! NADA!
If your country will not allow you to return (and that is significant in itself as to your characters), we will freighter you (as many as it takes and it will still be cheaper than what you have been ripping us off for) upon one of the unoccupied islands where you can start your own countries... the way they did on Devils Island.
That's where you belong. Devils Island II.
Dennis Price
I see it as defending a country that I love. Calling me a fat, lazy gringo puts it all in perspective as to who is the hater here
Get these people the hell out of our country! How dare they. How do they think they are. I can tell you they ARE here ILLEGALLY and if our politicians had any balls they would loading them on the bus to go south of the border. These people make me sick! They should not have ANY rights. This is suppose to be OUR country and MOST of us want them OUT. GET OUT!
OK Kornfed, where were all you guys when this very same thing was happening during the Bush administration. You act like all this started with President Obama. Guess what pal, it's been going on for a long time. The President is trying to get a handle on it. That's more the the administrations prior to his has tried to do. Bush/Cheny kept kicking the can down the road but not a peep out of you people. I wonder why it's all a big deal to you now. You don't even want the jobs these people do. You all look kind of ridiculous with all this sudden outrage. I wonder why that is? Give me a break. I'm not buying it.
i wish someone would start up a class action discrimination lawsuit. if you are white and do not pay taxes or insurance, you go do jail. if you are brown and do not pay taxes or insurance, you get a free pass. that is discrimination. if white people do not pay for their medical and education expenses, we are held accountable. if brown people do not pay medical and education expenses, nobody does a thing about it, except make white people pay for it. that is discrimination. if white people break the law, we go to jail. if brown people break the law, nothing happens, even if they flaunt it in everyone's face. that is discrimination
Dennis Price
I despised Bush for it. I despise Romney for his pandering after Obama bypassed the Dream Act.
Guess what pal, I havnt brought Obama into the conversation until you brought him up. Exactly what is he doing to get a handle on it?
Kornfed, you are never afraid to expose your ignorance on any subject, are you? Here is a link to an article in an Alabama newspaper discussing the lack of farm labor since the deportation of undocumented aliens, and the crops that are lost because native-born Americans simply refuse to do that sort of work.
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/10/alabama_lawmakers_getting_pres.html
Sailcat-2064101
I read the article, or one similar to it on the story. This is a select few that require hand picking. It also mentioned the gaps in the construction industry as a result of them leaving as well. It takes time to let the economy adjust. The law is still being contested...there hasnt been time to fill these jobs. Pay a living wage, and they will fill in.
Let me give you an example. I worked in the flooring industry for many years. Installers have taken a 50% pay decrease in the last 10 years as a result of the influx of illegal labor. Pay our citizens a living wage, and they will come back to work.
Wouldnt it be nice to take care of our own struggling citizens instead of pandering to a work force from Mexico?
Really? Kornfed, you never cease to amaze me with your senseless comments. Let me ask you, when they raise the wages high enough to attract native-born Americans into the fields how will you feel about food prices going up 2x, 3x, or more? I'm convinced you will lead the choir of whiners and snivelers in complaining about the high price of food. You aren't thinking this through, are you?
Try to keep this on an adult level, and we can have a rational discussion.
Did the influx of illegal labor in the construction industry lower the price of housing? Like I said, most fields are mechanically harvested. I dont see this as a major problem.
Our tea party Governor here in Florida was going to propose an Arizona style immigration bill during the last legislative session. That was until the Citrus growers and strawberry farmers got a hold of him. That bill was tabled rather quickly. You see, they rely very heavily on that labor pool. Things wouldn't get picked without them. Funny how things can change the mind of a politician.
Goodness... Kornfed is making a heck of a lot more logic than the silly protesters who do not check their facts. I see you, Dennis Price, and you Salicat... and I think "blaming Bush" is so silly.... whether he is wicked or not is totally irrelevant.
That is the past! Haven't you heard? "We cannot change the Past. We can speculate about the Future. The only thing we can control, is Now... and, even then, only ourself... no one else."
Quit with the blame. What is your agenda, Dennis? We should encourage law-breakers to take over? hmmm? In the here and now? How does your suspiciously Anglican nic think that is supposed to help our country?
Or, perhaps, we are not your country. Where were you born btw?
Given this line of thinking, wouldnt slave labor be even better for the price of our picked produce? How about we live by our laws and deal with the real market value of these products as our economy adjusts
ROFLMAO I got a threatening letter from one of your bigots. :D
No surprise when there's a racist element involved with otherwise law abiding citizens. And that means I know most of you who oppose me don't condone that sort of thing. But you should look at your neighbor and wonder if you should be siding with him.
Just a thought. :)
Anyways I got a fan! :D lolz
Racism? Now it is racist to state that illegal immigrants like the ones protesting are bankrupting the country? There are racists from every stripe and every color. The issue is not the skin color, the issue is making demands of a country which they entered illegally. Rather than taking care of the country they came from, revolting and demanding that that country treat them decently, they come here and make demands. Sorry, that won't fly. If your country of origin is sooo bad that you sneak over here illegally then perhaps you should count your blessing that you made it out alive rather than spitting on the country that has given you a stolen home.
Then, if your homecountry is so bad, why are you not protesting THERE? Why are you not making demands in your homecountry? Why are you not attempting to better living conditions in your homecountry? Have you no shame or courage? Death squads in your home country? So you come over here and seek to turn this country into the shambles of the place where you left? If you are so fond of where you came from, why did you leave?
Nice picture. That one looks like a real peaceful passive guy. Looks like a bad case of rabies really. It's way past time to get these fence jumpers back where they belong. The so called civil rights are one of the worst things to ever happen to this country. The purpose they were intended for has past and it is now a free pass for every form of scum and terrorist that you can think of.
We live in the only country in the world where you can shout in a cops face that you are breaking the law, claim that it is your "civil right" to be able to break those laws, and then not have the federal gov't give a crap. What a disgrace! If only our immigration laws were half as strict as Mexico's we wouldn't have this problem.
All of this brings to mind George Washington's "vision". Specifically, the "Third Peril". America would be "attacked " from every direction. We are getting "attacked" from the South with all of the ILLEGAL OCCUPANTS. We are getting "attacked" from the East with the invasion of cheap Chinese labor and JUNK. We are getting "attacked" from Europe and the banking and fiat currency 'Elites'. We are getting "attacked" from the Middle East with BOTH Muslim AND Zionist (Not true Jewish) infestations. India is now "customer service", and Africa bleeds our resources because of their inability to eliminate their warlords and war-lording nature, on their own. I think the only places right now who are not trying to destroy America are South America and Antarctica!
Pull yourself together, Korny. The economics of agriculture is far different than the construction biz. Furthermore, I owned a beverage distributorship for many years and I hired locals, paid them a fair wage plus benefits, and I did very well. Blaming undocumented workers for your poor business skills is kind of pathetic, you know.
Settle yourself down haha. Explain
You seem to have very good people skills. I can see how you could be so successful!
HELLO! it's not just being an undocumented person it is also has to do with PRESS 1 for ENGLISH PRESS 2 for SPANISH.
Do you know how much all together it costs the STATES and FEDERAL govt to write and translate all this stuff from english because Spanish is their language and they don't have to learn the language of the land. Some have been here for 5, 10 or more years and can't say 5 words in ENGLISH. I know I have a neighbor and her kids speak both but she can't speak a sentence of ENGLISH and she has lived next to me for 13 years.
Amazing how MSNBC twists illegals into immigrants. Are you "f-ing kidding me? Kick everyone of these bastards out. They're are all Fifth Columnist trying to take back lands they lost during the Mexican War. They are taught this treachery in their Mexican schools that the Southwest United States was stolen from them. They tell them to go to that land and take it back with your sheer numbers. When enough Mexicans inhabit it once again, then declare it an independent nation of Aztland or Bronze Nation. I think that's what the traitor dogs at MEChA teach the rest of their traitor dogs. Why the U.S. Government does not arrest them and the La Raza pigs and throw them in prison for treason is beyond me. Don't believe me, take a look at this from their web page:
hey mexico, keep your trash in your own yard....illegal is, illegal is, illegal....stinky is, stinky is, stinky...trash is, trash is, trash....illegal stinky trash is, illegal stinky trash is, illegal stinky trash...LA CUCHRACHA GO HOME AND DON"T LET THE BORDER HIT YOU IN THE AS*!!
Exactly right Gtouch. I don't think people realize just how hard it is to get deported these days. Just being in the country illegally won't get it done
@heartswhatever
I love it when low information people like you question my patriotism. You're all about stripping people of their dignity and treating desperate people like crap. I step in stuff more meaningful then the likes of you.
Grow up. It probably wouldn't take much for you to find yourself in the same situation as many of these folks.
My ticket is punched paid in full and I don't suffer fools like you.
As honest hard working Americans who made this country what it is, or use to be, maybe we as Americans should start taking our laws in to our own hands and start enforcing them ourselves since our president and other elected officials won't.
10,000+ legal Americans surrounding their bus and taking them back to mexico wouldn't be challenged by local police or officials. There would be just to many people to arrest or contain. This is probably the only way the American people will be heard. If the US government can use American citizens to fight its wars overseas then we, the American citizens, should be able to fight our own wars here in the United States and protect our own lands without the governments help. After all, we ARE the government!!!
If these people from other countries can come here and disrespect us and our laws and violate our laws with impunity, why can't we? Why should we have to be the ones abiding by the laws while illegal invaders don't have too? maybe we should step up and match their wills with our own. Maybe we should march on them and against them. Maybe WE should show them what really makes this country and its people great.
Since most of these people can't assimilate and learn our way of life and will only turn our country into what they have left behind with theirs, we should stand up and fight at a level only seen by our fathers before us. Let's keep what is our and make them keep what is theirs. After all, if we accept their way of life we will lose what we have worked for while they will gain what they haven't workied for.
The quote above says it all folks!!!! We need to stand up for ourselves and put these people in heir rightful place.
If Obama thought that these illegals would vote Republican as soon as he makes the legal, he would boot their asses back across that border in a heartbeat.
When Garcia shoots Gonzales, who do you think picks up the hospital bills?
That my friends is what's called a Strawman argument. State something which can't be proven because it will never happen as if it's some kind of fact. Lame...
Jeff1592116 - Your post number 1.63 is off the mark.
What I see on this thread is NOT racism, because it is not leveled against MEXICANS or LATINOS - it is leveled against ILLEGAL Mexican/Latinos. Thus, your definition in the post is not applicable here. TRUE, the majority of illegals come from Mexico, but that is because of the GEOGRAPHICAL border.
Of course, you NEED to make this into a racism issue because then you get to label ppl as "bigots" or "racists", in hopes that the speaker will be silenced and/or that others will hate the person, so they wont listen to that person's words. A tried and true tactic....but inaccurate nonetheless.
Comment # 1 restored for clarity.
Latino Gang Charged With Racial Cleansing Attacks in California Town
By CHRISTINA NG
June 9, 2011 —
abcnews.go.com
Over 50 Members of the Varrio Azusa 13 Gang Were Charged With a Civil Rights Conspiracy
A Latino gang accused of attempting a racial cleansing of African Americans in Azusa, Calif., has been indicted for a federal rights conspiracy, according to the U.S. Attorney's office.
Prior federal cases involving street gangs have included racial violence allegations, but this indictment is only the second time in history that federal civil rights laws have been used against members of a criminal street gang.
"Azusa 13 waged a campaign of hate against African Americans—a two-decade crime spree in which African-Americans were harassed and attacked," said Andre Birotte Jr., the U.S. Attoreny for the Central District of California.
A federal grand jury issued a 24-count indictment last week that charges the 51 defendants with a broad range of crimes including extortion, robbery and murder.
The three-year investigation of the Varrio Azusa 13 gang culminated this week in an early morning raid involving almost 400 law enforcement officials. Azusa is a city of 45,000 people located about 30 minutes northeast of Los Angeles. Only 3 percent of this population is African American, while over 65 percent is Hispanic.
"What is underlying this whole thing is a belief held by some people that the Mexican Mafia ordered essentially a racial cleansing in some Latino neighborhoods," said Thom Mrozek, the public affairs officer for the U.S. Attorney's Office.
This gang has been active for about 20 years acting through violence, threats and intimidation, court papers claim. The violence has not been restricted to rival gang members, extending also to regular civilians.
"This has been a 20 year conspiracy to violate the civil rights of African Americans in the city," said Detective Robert Landeros of the Azusa Police Department. There are incidents involving this gang from 1992 to May 2010, according to the Azusa police.
Six members of the Azusa gang have been charged with civil rights violations for harassing and sometimes attacking African Americans, either to push them out of the city or to keep them from moving there.
The gang has about 400 members with 50 indicted yesterday. According to the indictment, 23 are already in custody and 12 fugitives are still being sought.
The number 13 attached to the name of many gangs in Southern California indicates a connection to the Mexican Mafia, the prison gang that controls Azusa 13. "M" is the 13th letter in the alphabet.
According to U.S. Attorney Birotte, the Mexican Mafia gets a slice of the Azusa gang's profits from drug sales. In exchange, the Mexican Mafia allows them to maintain control of their territory and protects them within the prison system.
The Azusa raid is the most recent attempt in Southern California to control tension between Hispanic gangs and African Americans.
In 2009, over 140 members of the Varrio Hawaiian Gardens gang were charged for racially-driven crimes, and in 2007 members of two other gangs in the Los Angeles area were arrested for racial hate crimes.
According to Operation Safe Streets, a branch of the Los Angeles Sheriff's office, there are 1,100 documented gangs in Los Angeles County.
"This is all part of gang culture," said Sgt. Byron Wainie of the OSS. He says that the violence is "sometimes on racial lines, sometimes based on geographic lines and sometimes narcotics related."
Jorge Luis Martinez, Detective Supervisor at the Gangs and Narcotics Division of the Los Angeles Police Department, agrees that the racial issue is one of many. "There is a rash of gangs that sometimes commit completely racial crimes, but it's much less than gang-on-gang crimes," Martinez said.
Most of the gang members indicted this week are facing possible prison sentences of at least 10 years if convicted.
"This gang has waged an insidious two decade campaign of violence fueled not only buy drug dealing, but also by racial hatred," Birotte said, "We hope that this case will signal an end to all this behavior and will help vindicate all of the victims who have suffered over the years."
We shall not flag nor fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France and on the seas and oceans; we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air. We shall defend our island whatever the cost may be; we shall fight on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills. We shall never surrender!
Winston Churchill
Try fighting with the same conviction in your own country.
LMAO.....So many law abiding citizens on this site. No one on here has ever been to jail or broke any laws I'm sure of it. Hahahahaha
What is it about "undocumented" or "illegal" do these people not understand. They have broken a Federal law by coming into this country illegally. Therefore, they should be arrested and deported back to their own country of origin until they decide to enter the USA through legal means. It still dumbfounds me how many stupid congressman, senators, and our own President go around circumventing our laws to accomodate people that have broken the laws of our country.
President Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than Bush did in eight years. However, our law enforcement is not unlimited. We have a finite amount of law enforcement available, and we can't simply round up and deport everyone. Every Presidential administration has to decide the best way to use the limited resources available. The President has determined that our law enforcement needs to focus on deporting dangerous illegals and criminals, rather than focusing our efforts on college students and people who obey the law and peacefully follow the rules.
Clotho that is only a parroted talking point it is not true...check it out..no prosecution, amnesty and work visas for 1.8 million...thanks Barry
Clotho...All the illegals deported by Bush and Obama together doubled doesn't put a dent in the problem. Obama stepped up deportation on illegals who have committed crimes in addition to being in the country illegally. This way he can look like he's doing something and the likes of La Raza, MECHA, LULAC, etc can't complain because he's deporting criminals.
What was it Lincoln said? Something like, "You can fool some of the people some all of the time...."
You will know a politician is serious about illegal immigration when he/she cracks down on the employers who give them the incentive to come here in the first place.
Clotho: these illegals are also guilty of stealing social security numbers causing numerous amounts of headaches for legal citizens that are a victim of this crime. I respect those that go about getting their citizenship the right way...and not these people who so outrageously "demand" their rights. Mr. President, I wish you would spend as much time protecting the rights of us legal citizens as you do these people who don't deserve any consideration.
You all are foolish
NO ONE....not the Dems or Reps will stop this. They are owned by companies that love illegals. There are thousands of jobs that depend on illegals...policemen, judges, lawyers, bail bondsmen, etc. These people don't care that illegals are raping, robbing, committing fraud. It's job security!!
I say the illegals should receive equal pay, plus full benefits from every employer. Why are our elected officials allowing these people to be used for slave labor? Pay up - give them ALL benefits and tax us more. Maybe then someone will pay attention to this
Two things:
1) A vote for the democratic party (e.g. Obama) is a vote to continue this sort of "undocumented" nonsense in our American system that is already overburdened.
2) If these illegals are so concerned about human rights, why don't they return to their respective countries and work to make them a better place for everyone? This country is at its capacity, and is broke!
These people are already on a bus that can be escorted to the border admitting they are undocumented, now how much work is that for law enforcement or Obuma???? No brainer illegal they are breaking laws and bragging a about it send them home!!!!!!!
I believe it was P. T. Barnum who said "You can fool some of the people some all of the time....", but it doesn't really matter who said it. The gist of the quote is true. This administration is trying distract ELIGIBLE voters from the fact that it has failed miserably and must come up with any means necessary to garner the votes necessary for a second term. I would not be surprised at all to find out that this administration is actually behind this. Think about it. The Justice Department (led by Eric Holder of 'Fast and Furious' infamy) is suing states in their attempts to require potential voters to provide identification when they arrive at the polls. Why? You know why, and I know why. It's a blatant attempt to steal this election. If it means trotting out a busload of indignant ILLEGAL immigrants demanding rights they feel they deserve (but do not) to con the American public to win the upcoming election, then so be it.
Are we yet weary of the in your face, what are you going to do about our disdain and disrespect for your laws and customary language..............WELL ???
True, Congress has exclusive legislative powers over immigration. Also true, states have exclusive legislative powers over citizens and businesses who reside or establish businesses within the states sovereign boundaries......So why can a state, or it's voters not enact a law making it a 4th class felony, with a maximum sentence of up to 7 years on the second offence for knowing hiring an illegal immigrant or foreign national without a federal approved work visa..
We may not be able to round up all the illegal immigrants, but we can take away their means of survival in America on a state by state basis.........It is time for all American citizens to put up, or shut up
If someone perfected crop picking solar powered robots.... they'd be a rich man.
If you're not Native American then you stole this land from someone else as well. You don't belong here either.
We now live in a country that is lawless because the POTUS refuses to enforce the Constitution of the United States of America. How much more of this can we stand? The rightful citizens of this country are being treated like dirt. Your civil rights are being trampled on by this president and it is almost too late to act.
Why did the feds buy all that ammo and have it scattered around the USA.? There is a buzz and a anger out on the street. People feel like they have lost control of their surroundings. The law isn't the law any more it's what Obama says it is that day. He has changed America all right but to the worst. We must stop him and take control of our country back once again if we are to survive.
my family has been in the carpentry business for generations. now i cannot get work, simply because i cannot compete with laborers who can bid lower because the do not pay taxes, insurance, medical care, and education expenses like i am required to do. if i do not pay these things, i get arrested. if they do not pay these things, nobody does anything about it, and you and i end up paying for it. this is just not right.
I was a framer for 35 years and then the Mexicans moved in and undercut everybody. Your story sound just like mind. I was paying my guy 150.-200. a day while they were being paid 6-7 dollars so how could I compete? I'm retired now and some of the guy that worked for me in the past ae doing nothing but repairs needed due to shuddy work done by the Mexicans.
Good luck to you "truthurtsattimes".
grumpy61.......i agree with you. why aren't these people being arrested? i guess i am missing something here about our government. the president does not up hold the laws he swore to on a bible in front of the whole world. oops....it must have been a Muslim Koran! just saying. being not a citizen of this country and demanding rights,i can not agree too,since they came here illegal. now,if you did it the legal way,yes i would back that. i don't care where you come from,if its illegal you broke the law of this land!
if we had neighbors whom are illegals from say china..etc would you report them ? i sure would,i believe in the constitution.
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I hope that people are thinking of all of this when they cast their votes this fall. Do you want leaders who ignore stated US Law and change the rules in the middle of game for a select group to secure votes?
See how your Senator and reps view all of this. Are they in favor in giving ILLEGALS rights? Do they want to give these people work permits at a time when our own citizens are unemployed?
Is requiring a legal ID Racism? Or in fact will it secure that all voting is legal. Who in this day and age can go through their lives w/o proof of identification? You need a birth certificate to get a drivers license, to get into the military. You need an ID to open a bank account, to get on a plane, to get a passport. You need Photo ID to collect unemployment or apply for welfare.
For the very rare older Americans, lets say over age 80 who perhaps were born in an area where the records were not accurately kept, I might say let them pass, but how did they apply for Social Security without some legal form of identification?
Think of all of this, and consider your state and federal representatives views on it. Who are the people that are hiding in plain sight? WHAT are they hiding? Did they run away from debts or marriages they couldn't deal with? Are they deadbeat parents who are neglecting the care of their children by not paying child support? Are they running from the law for some crime they committed in another place?
We as Americans need to STAND UP for what America stands for. ONLY Legal Americans should be working in our shops and ONLY Legal Americans should be voting in our elections.
So they are demanding respect? They are DEMANDING their rights??? WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE??? Unbelievable, they think they are brave for admitting they are here illegally, and they want a pat on the back from ME? And if I don't, then I'm a "HATER?" Not gonna work, bitches, get the HELL OUT of my COUNTRY and come back when you're LEGAL!!!
How do you respect someone who is in this country illegally, know they are, spit in your eye about it, and demand you ignore their illegality too? I sure don't.
I wasn't aware they were anti-immigrant laws. I thought they were anti-illegal immigrant laws. There is a huge difference.
Illegal, undocumented same difference.
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Take your meds.
I guess that didn't include any grammar lessons? Oh wait, was it a classroom setting where you were not required to use intelligible English?
wow, for being locked up so long with free education, one would think your "engleesh" would be much better.And thank you so very much by pointing out how much of a contributing citizen you have been since your childhood(being locked up in CYA) then graduating to state prison where it looks like we(taxpayers) have payed out of pockets for you being such a wonderful person.Thank you for your post and many here, that can understand your jibberish,will just want to go out and help all those poor violent offenders that have been victimized by the justice system.Do the whole hispanic community a favor and dont post anymore.You are doing more harm than good.Youve probably been told that since you were a teenager though,right?By how many Judges?
hahahahahahahahahaha!
What is all this gibberish?
You are a perfect example of why we need to deport all illegals. Jeez, man, I'm suprised you can spell well enough to even find this website.
WTF? Don't bother to learn English, Don't bother to enter the country legally. Then complain about something which nobody can figure out what your complaining about.
Some of you people are a bunch of snobs. Why are you so afraid of Spanish speaking people. I was at the shore yesterday and there was a rather large group next to us that were speaking Spanish. It didn't bother me at all, and I got to wondering why it bothers others to not know what people are saying? Is it that you're afraid they are talking about you? Grow up, it's not all about you. I think if you are a proud American and you believe in yourself and have any semblance of self confidence, it wouldn't bother you. You know nothing about Jose and I've seen much of the spelling and grammar on these posts. And you people have been speaking English all your lives. He has a right to speak as much as the rest of you.
I get the illegal part, and I am in agreement mostly. I don't think we can use the taking jobs argument though because they tend to have the jobs that pay lower wages for hard work, which not many Americans would do. This makes prices in that field lower for those who use the services. And I'm quite certain they are spending much of their wages here for food and clothing and such, thus helping to keep legals employed. But if you want to send a message and try to get rid of them, maybe start some sort of protest yourselves where you pledge to pay more for those services which the illegals are doing instead of going cheap, which almost forces employers to hire illegals to stay competitive.
Hey Jose if you can't learn to read,write,and speak proper English GET THE @!$%# OUT OF THE US.
To all the other illegals reading this(that is of course you can read it)you have no rights here the only right you have is to be arrested and deported that is it.
Why are these border jumping scum being allowed to publicly flaunt that they are here illegally and get away with it?Round them up like @!$%#ing cattle and ship them the @!$%# home.
No you create and ENFORCE laws the make it difficult for illegals to stay. No drivers licenses. Employers are fined heavily for employing them. etc. People won't change until you make the changes.
and also arrest them for stealing social security numbers.
Well deport asap. Just more cost to hold them in jail.
Greg, they already have laws like that. How's that working? Government has been talking about reform as long as I can remember. I just think we are part of the problem. We want the illegals out of the country, but are we really willing to pay a lot more for those goods and services? Perhaps it would balance out with lower taxes because of fewer people on government handouts, but I doubt it. I know in Pennsylvania we were going to have our property taxes lowered due to allowing gambling in the state. I haven't seen it yet.
Jose Padilla..No Abla....first go back to school so you can write legible words, second go back to wherever you came from, third I and millions of other U.S. citizens don't want to hear your whining about whatever you were whining about in that blabber you wrote....get out, stay out, and don't come back!
There are plenty of Americans that are far worse than this post.
Deport them for being here illegally, and not just like the rest of the huge segment of uneducated American adults.
Also, you misspelled surprised.
LA999.....As for not understanding spanish or being "afraid" someone is talking about me, i travel to Mexico every year to Sayulita which is a small fishing community 1 hr north of Puerto Vallarta.BEFORE i left on my first trip I learned enough spanish to learn how to communicate with the locals out of RESPECT for their community and country.Quite a few locals knew english very well that have lived in Mexico their whole lives.Its about respect and being able to communicate.Your little tangent is invalid and a waste of these readers time.How ignorant.
jose is the poster boy of why these illegal blood suckers need to get the f out of this country.
LA99999 no we don't have these laws and yes it would work if enforced.
Honor the vet, kindly go to hell.
"Some of you people are a bunch of snobs. Why are you so afraid of Spanish speaking people. I was at the shore yesterday and there was a rather large group next to us that were speaking Spanish. It didn't bother me at all, and I got to wondering why it bothers others to not know what people are saying? Is it that you're afraid they are talking about you? Grow up, it's not all about you. I think if you are a proud American and you believe in yourself and have any semblance of self confidence, it wouldn't bother you. You know nothing about Jose and I've seen much of the spelling and grammar on these posts. And you people have been speaking English all your lives. He has a right to speak as much as the rest of you."
I have no problem at all when people speak a language different than mine (English). However, I do have a BIG problem when the state and federal governments have to print documents, ballots, oaths of office, etc. in multiple languages because the people that come here illegally are too lazy, ignorant, or stubborn to learn the language of the country they have broken into and are now reaping the spoils of. I don't want to "press 1 for English"! How dare these illegals demand ANYTHING... they should not even be here! And... legals OR illegals should at least learn enough English to communicate with the rest of us in our American tongue. Government especially should not be catering to anyone... you came here, now the burden is on you to learn English. My grandparents came here in the 1900's and learned English ASAP. Why can't the people coming here do the same?
By the way, that bus should be escorted to the border, unloaded, then turned around and reloaded over and over until it breaks down. In fact, a whole procession of them would be great!
Honor the Vet - Bush JR would have failed with or without a crayon
I forgot his favorite book - My Favorite Goat - While Rome Burned
Frankly I have seen worse spelling by some so called UHUM Independents - really Republicans on this site
A boy being raped and you laugh - just like you laughed at one of our soldiers declaring himself to be gay - or a big overweight beer belly throwing coins at a paraplegic
My god aren't you proud of yourselves - not to read the content but to deride the writer?
I have no problem with Jose wanting to post; actually, I tried to read it, but gave up when it no longer made sense. But I would like to read it. Try sitting down with a friend, Jose, and write it over, using decent sentences, grammar, and paragraphs. Break it up, like suggested above. Also, try to write it on paper, if it is a subject that is so emotional to you, so you have time to look over what you may be posting for all the world to see...
What Jose is TRYING to say is:
1. That illegals are abused and exploited: GOOD. As it should be. Dont like it ? Get out. Contrary to what you think, you have no rights here, even if our President IS dumping Federal law to GIVE them to you. HE needs the latino political base, and you benefit from it, to the detriment of REAL citizens and REAL (legal) immigrants (suckers) who came here the right way.
2. That, he cant go back to his native country and that he is here illegally because of fear of going back.
TOUGH. This country HAS ample ways for refugee status being conferred on those truly in danger. Did you apply as a political refugee ? of course not, because it's easier just to pay a coyote and/or sneak across the Rio Grande yourself...it's not like you have a great chance of being sent back.
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Seriously? Being abused and exploited is ok with you? How evil can people be? Talk about uncivilized!!! The Suyapi is the most judgmental, hypocritical, hateful uncivilized race there is.....no soul, no sprituality, no traditions.....nothing! It's all about $$$, materials, Hate.....
There is a lot of bias in this article. For starters, please don't call it anti-immigrant laws or views. Very few people are anti-immigrant. What we are seeing is anti-illegal-immigrant laws and views, which is almost redundant. To pretend that this is not about illegal activities is not just dishonest, but it threatens the integrity of this news source.
illegal-immigrant? The term 'illegal alien' is used in Federal statutes.
The article never says "anti-immigrant laws". Though I disagree with your opinion that "very few people are anti-immigrant". From these forums at least, a lot of people dislike all immigrants, legal or illegal.
Clotho, you apparently don't read before you write, the same problem Jumpin' Joe with his mouth. I don't hate immigrants. The vast majority of people in this country don't hate immigrants. What we have a passionate dislike for is ILLEGAL ALIENS flipping us the bird and daring us to bust them and send them back home. In the meantime, they wander around the country sucking up valuable resources, sending a lot of their earnings back home, and generally disrupting our medical economy.
You also apparently don't read the postings put up here by LEGAL EMIGRANTS who are irritated by our inability to enforce the laws that are already on our books. After working my way through all the paper and money and frustration required to immigrate LEGALLY, I would be peaved with Oblameo's instant amnesty program, too.
Next time think before you post and read what is already there before you turn to your keyboard to post what amounts to irrelevant garbage.
Clotho "From these forums at least, a lot of people dislike all immigrants, legal or illegal."
I would suggest you read the forum again, most people are anti Illegal.....not one person on here said anything about legal immigrants being bad
Hope they don't think they can flaunt their crappy attitude and flip the bird at lil ole me 'cause I'm pissed off enough to go find that bus, jump in, and drive it off a freaking cliff or straight to Mexico -- whichever comes first! And if they start waving their Mexican flag at me, I'll burn the damed thing.
Legal immigration is one thing, but this is absolute BS. Enough already. Put an end to it -- NOW!
and when someone comes here legally they get a resident alien card not a resident immigrant card or a documented immigrant card. fracking pos pc liberal idiots with the word smithing to make it sound less harsh.
The future of the USA is not looking too good. Our government has sold Americans out. I find it truly unbelievable that these folks feel entitled to protest when they have invaded America illegally. Why have any laws? We can all claim we are entitled and I don't think I should have obey the law for my own gain. Unbelievable and very sad to what America is becoming.
Our government has not sold us out! Our fearless leader, the Blamer-in-Chief, Mr Executive Order himself, Mr I-will-ignore-any-law-that-won't-buy-me-votes, Mr Photogenic, the Seller-Outer-in-Chief, the friend of governors in banned countries has sold us out! He is the one who has chosen to blatantly ignore immigration law and allow all these illegals to stay instead of deporting them and letting them start the paperwork chase to emigrate legally.
Whew! Now that I've got that off my chest, remember who has done this IF, not when, you go to the polls in November. Vote your head and your pocketbook and maybe, just maybe, we can rationalize this mess that we're in.
You are absolutely right, CA Native!
Americans are angry and rightfully so, that everyone seems to have rights EXCEPT for us who were born and raised here and are citizens of the US.
Americans are tired of footing the bill, when our own people are struggling to pay their bills, keep their house, raise their children, find a job.
Americans are sick and tired of ALL POLITICIANS that fail to recognize and DISCUSS AND RESOLVE these and other issues- who keep 'kicking the can down the road'.
We are not represented any longer- and that will pose a great problem to us all in the nearer future!
We keep paying our HIRED politicians to do a job, and they get to Washington, and get told to 'get in line'! both Democrats and Republicans keep us all divided, much to the joy of Wall Street and money mongers... our politicians do not even have the same benefits and retirements as us 'little people'.
I think it is time to even the playing board. What is fair for the ....
Get these ILLEGALS OUT; do what you were hired to do, or you can GET OUT, TOO!
I feel for those that are trying to do immigration legally- what a scam on them as well!
you have it exactly right
As i have repeated in these comments section numerous times before, I AM A LEGAL ,patiently waiting for my turn after 12 long years in this country , to get my green card .There are thousands like me . I have a high paying job, pay all my taxes, contribute to the society, have not stolen any SSN, and live as a law abiding citizen. And look who gets all attention !!!! ILLEGALS .. AN ILLEGAL IS AN ILLEGAL IS AN ILLEGAL ....
To the people at USCIS and to Mr. PRESIDENT .
If you are really trying to help (as you say), we who are legally in line are the ones who need to be helped and considered first . Or probably we should burn the documents and passports and re-enter this country illegally and then you might consider us - huh ???
Thank you for your respect for our country and coming here legally. I was born here but have very dear family members who have chosen to immigrate here and it breaks my heart to see them and people like you pushed on the back burner in your times of need while people like these illegal immigrants demand soemthing they do not deserve or have any right to.
thankidi deserves to be a U.S. Citizen. I say we demonstrate for her and all the "Legal" immigrants to the United States.
Its ridiculous that she has followed all our laws and after 12 years she has still not become a U.S. Citizen. If it wasn't for the Millions of Illegals clogging up our immigration courts, abusing the system, tying up our immigration resources, etc the "Legal" immigrants cases could be heard in a much timelier fashion.
"Illegal" Immigration is hurting "Legal" immigration and disenfranchising those people who want to Migrate to the United States Legally, are trying to do it the proper way by obeying our laws, and truly want to be U.S. Citizens.
Illegal Immigrants, and those that support them, should be ashamed of themselves for what they are doing to the "Legal" Immigrants to the United States.
Thankidi: Much respect to you! You did the right way, the legal way. You deserve to have vote, benefit from the rights that all America's are entitled to. Thanks!!
Hear, hear!!!!! Now if only people like Clotho are reading this and responding to properly to someone who has done it the right way!!!!!
Hooray for you, thankidi. I would be honored to stand for you. You have done it the way it was intended to be done, unlike those on this bus tour. Too bad our administration doesn't feel the same way.
Thankidi- you are the type of person I would be proud to call friend or neighbor. If only all the illegals in this country were like you! Thank you!
David Noah-- when and where is the demonstration? (post #7.2)
We need one time to all go to Washington together- does anybody have a bus?
Why were they not arrested?
Because they are scared if they start arresting these folks, more and more will come out to get arrested in protest and there will be backlash and they will not have anywhere to put them all in the prisons.
Prisons are not necessary. They have their own country.
All about votes in the November election. Not laws, not America, not economy..just votes
Because some liberal will call the ACLU and sue on their behalf cause they apparently have some sort of civil rights...
True.....Obamas waiting to start locking them up AFTER he gets their votes
These losers are why OBAMA will lose and take a bunch of LIBERALS down with him , just like 2010 !!!
because the drivers licence said New Mexico on it. Send them there.
because if they were arrested who is going to vote for the muslim in chief?
Ann F - Rubbish illegals can't vote - or are just one of the most uninformed public that just likes to spew your garbage
You do know there are garbage dumps for that?
That goes double for you Uncle Henry
ILLEGALS CANNOT VOTE!
johnnyspot- (post #8.1)
Obama ordered 2 very large, bullet-proof BUSES- one for himself and one for who knows who?
I think we would all be happy to contribute $10.00 towards GAS...
Barbara's quote: "ILLEGALS CANNOT VOTE!"
Answer: Not yet...but Obummer is trying like heck to make sure I.D. is not needed at the polls - why do you think that IS ?
Birmingham is not the capital of Alabama; Montgomery is.
Nice catch, .Chris McC. It figures nbcnews.com wouldn't let such an obvious fact get in the way of yet another attempt to dis-sway voters on what a failure this President has been.
If these people want to protest maybe they should educate themselves first and then maybe people would listen. Civil rights do not entitle you to citizenship, to a job, to public benefits. Basically the only right they have any claim to in this country is they can not be denied medical care because they are illegal. They don't want fair rights they want to by-pass our countries laws and all of those who willingly immigrate to this country legally and whats worse, thanks to our disgrace of a president they are getting even more and more brazen because the administration has not only given them means to violate this countries laws he openly supports them. If we want to dicuss immigrant rights fine I have no problem with immigrant rights of those who are legal immigrants. How about we start making things easier on them rather than trying to help the people who openly disrespect and disgrace this country by the entitled attitudes.
Why not just put our message on t-shirts ?
We, as citizens, can wear them anytime...except, of course, on Cinco De Mayo.....
I don't live in a gated community never have. And I have known many many Mexicans. You don't have civil rights in this country if you aren't a citizen. Become a citizen or shut up we're tired of hearing about it.
Lawyer here. Yes, you do have civil rights in this country if you aren't a citizen. First, you do know there are people in the U.S. legally who are not U.S. citizens, right? Student visas, work visas, green cards, etc. They enjoy the same civil rights as you do. Second, even people in the country illegally have the same civil rights protected by the bill of rights. The same free speech, due process, right to an attorney, right against illegal search and seizure, etc.
Posts like yours embarrass the nation as whole. You're the 21st century equivalent of "I can't be racist because some of my best friends are black."
Clotho...this situation makes the entire U.S. an embarrassment. What kind of spineless people are we to let law breakers flaunt their law breaking right in our faces. We are an embarrassment because we are cowards.
Clotho - It's shysters like you that continue to encourage illegal aliens. I refuse to call them "undocumented" because that is a liberal PC term. I will always call a spade a spade (no obummer joke). You need to stop your liberal BS, grow some stones and stand up for our great country.
Clotho, I don't really care if you are purple with green spots. These people under discussion are NOT here LEGALLY. If you really are a lawyer, you should know the difference.
Oh, wait, I know, I know!!!!! You are an ACLU lawyer who doesn't believe that laws are to be followed!
Clotho....Your the only problem here....if your a lawyer than your twice the problem...if an aclu lawyer, then your just a waste of skin...
clotho, If I was to walk into your office how much would you charge to represent me? If an illegal walked into your office how much would you charge them? If I don't pay my bill what would you do? If your illegal client doesn't pay your bill what can you do? Nothing.........so you are cheating American's who live here and practice under the laws of this Country. If you want to work for free do so, but every illegal you represent for free you should have to represent the same amount of citizens for free also. If people in this country would start standing up for themselves and calling out reverse discrimination, the ACLU wouldn't have a leg to stand on, and no money if you paid attention to who supports the self righteous group.
Clotho just admitted he's a lawyer, probably an ACLU lawyer at that. Knowing that, what else would you expect?
clotho for a lawyer your not very impressive has to comprehension as the article cleary states they are here illegally and has far has the undocumented people the border here is a joke if you get deported you can be back here from mexico in less than 3 weeks with a ride to has far north as Ames Iowa for about 3000 us dollars
Whoa....hold off a sec, on the attacks on Clotho.
Sure, it's EASY to vilify him, because he's a lawyer...BUT:
First, LOOK at his port. Nothing he says is untrue.
Second, the hate is misplaced. As a lawyer, he does NOT write the laws - those are written by the ppl YOU guys vote into office. EVERYONE (yes, unfortunately even ILLEGALS) have a right to legal representation. A lawyer MUST follow the law, UNLESS (and this is big) he , in good faith, does not believe in its lawfulness...in which case he can fight it WITHIN the system.
In short, your ire is targeting the WRONG person.
Are you fed up with this immigration business ? WHERE ARE YOU ?!?! I see hundreds of protests by the illegals - WHERE are the protests against THEM ? Have you written your congressman ? Senator ? why NOT ? Because you feel your voice isnt heard ? Obviously the voices of the ILLEGALS are being heard why ? because THEY dont give up, and MOST of you havent even STARTED. ANYONE started a recall of your representatives ? No? Why NOT ? Because YOU are either a) too lazy and find it easier to sit back and criticize, than to actually DO something about it; or b) you're afraid of being labeled a bigot or hater - in either case, "they" have won, at least against YOU..as their tactics have succeeded in silencing you.
(And before you "label" me "anything", understand that, as to illegals, I dont think they should have ANY rights in this country. I think while here, they should be exploited to the max, right up to the moment they are dropped off back at the border of their cesspool.)
Sure, it's EASY to go after the "soft" target lawyer...but me thinx you need to look elsewhere - like in the MIRROR.
Jeff, me thinx you are also a shyster. One scumbag protecting and deflecting criticism of another scumbag!
What part of illegal do you not understand.
"Undocumented immigrants" means illegal mexicans.
Send all criminal invaders home to their own country. Illegals are now attempting to tell us how it is going to be. Get them out of our country. They can apply for legal entry are stay out.
I bet a lot of the legal immigrants in this country are a little upset about the way these people are behaving as well
Yes we very upset about the whole issue. I am in the US for more than 20 years, married to an American, I did the whole process by the book from Student visa to Citizenship. I had been employed all the time, got a college degree, even a Master Degree. Two jobs while in college to pay my tuition all of the above to achieved the American Dream. When you are really an immigrant and you love this country you work hard to honor the country to give you some many opportunities you don't slack. Really Mr. President could not be worst timing ever.
Good for you, Alex-2681980. I wish those on this bus tour were more like you.
GOOD for you, Alex...but, may I ask a couple of questions ?
1. Who are you voting for ?
2. WHY are Latinos overwhelmingly against immigration reform ?
3. Where are the LEGAL immigrants' voice on ILLEGAL immigration ? It just seems to "us Americans" that you (even legal) dont want enforcement because you want your family and friends to join you. MAYBE I'm wrong.but if I AM wrong, why dont you LEGAL immigrants take a stand ?
No documents, not a citizen, then no protection under the Constitution. Go home and come back legally, then we'll talk about civil rights.
You are breaking our laws. Get the hell OUT!
Couldn't have said it any better myself
Good opportunity to round them all up and send them back to mexico. We don't need any more scumbag parasites!
I'm going to borrow a page from the pro-choice folks. I'm not anti-immigrant (That in itself is a misnomer anyway, immigration is NOT illegal.) I am PRO-LAW.
These people obviously don't work, so they are being funded by some person or group with lots of cash. This group or person is paying these uneducated tresspassers, feeding them and taking care of their daily needs. This is a lawsuit waiting to happen and the financiers footing the bill for all these illegals are hoping for some type of unlawful obstruction. This is why they are being treated with kid gloves. And these poor, stupid, illegal, law breaking aliens are being used as pawns. I wonder how long it takes to brain wash the brainless?
George Soros?
There are no anti-immigrant laws at all, there only anti ILLEGAL immigrant law.
I thought messNBC was supposedly a news source not just some cheesy rag with an agenda, Guess I was wrong... Just like what messnbc tries to pass off as 'news'
Sorry, Chris. Anyone who has been around this site for more than a few days know that the real name is: MSDNC.
nbcnews.com..the former msnbc.com...gets its marching orders from Media Matters, a well-known progressive (i. e. liberal) political group. If anything will advance its agenda, nbcnews.com will report it.
"Undocumented immigrants confront author of anti-immigrant laws"
I thought all these illegal aliens were just hard working people. Apparently they have time to protest our laws.
If Americans did in Mexico what these obnoxious parasites are doing here they'd be locked up pretty fast. These stinkin' invaders prove by their actions and attitudes day in and day out why they all should be deported as quickly as possible, the disrespectful and arrogant leeches. The border should be land mined.
Baja rat...your right, but really we shouldn't be mad at the people, we should be tar and feathering the government officials who are allowing these people to remain here...
Comrade O and that creepy DHS pervert Crappy Nappy should be first in line at the tar bucket.
Coyote - you are SO right.
Cant really blame ANYONE for doing something to better their lives. It IS their job to do just that for their families; just as it is the government's job to keep them out. But, when you start off by saying "we'll give you a "pass" on this ONE law", then, they are emboldened to break other laws as well.
(and, to you libs who will tell em that MOST illegals obey laws, B.S> - 25% of California's prisons are inhabited by illegals.)..and even if you WERE right (which you're not), even ONE murder OR robbery OR rape, is too much when they shouldnt have been here in the first place.
Kris Kobach. The name sounds German. There is no surprise there. If people follow Kris Kobach, the country will go the way of Germany during 1930 and 1940s. Just saying.
You're an idiot
What a moron you are ! Ignorant, dumb, stupid, etc... Those are all to good of words for you because your pathetically stupid and are a waste of oxygen !
So Kobach wants existing laws enforced and you don't? Maybe YOU should be on the same Nuevo Laredo-bound bus along with your favorite job-stealing and gang-banging parasites. Think about it.
Stupid woman, you HAVE NO civil rights in the US unless you are a citizen or LEGAL immigrant. i for one welcome all LEGAL immigrants. One basic clause that should be put in effect to any law is that if you are here, illegally and are an immigrant, choose to have multiple children, THEN DON'T ASK FOR FOOD STAMPS. RENT SUBSISTENCE, FREE MEDICAL CARE AND THE LIST GOES ON. We need PRODUCTIVE immigrants, not those who are too disrespectful to learn our language and provide something beneficial to the US. Get out, come back legally and don't ask me to support you or your ratty kids.
Why does no one ever seem to want to punish the Americans who hire illegals? Everyone just wants to send the illegals back home without fixing the cause of the problem.
Sending them home does nothing if they are still able to find work in the states. They are here because they continue to get work, the idea they are stealing jobs is a whole separate argument, but if American's are still willing to hire illegals they will still continue to come.
Conflict of interest. The corporations that hire undocumented workers are the same people giving huge campaign contributions. Politicians won't bite the hand that feeds them. Remember Bush's attempted guest worker program?
Jason...You will know a politician is serious about illegal immigration when he/she cracks down on the employers who give them the incentive to come here in the first place, but like Clotho said, too many special interest groups own our politicians. We elect them to represent us and then they represent the people, businesses and industry that fund their campaigns where they go around telling us they are going to represent us.
Just imagine that on all major cable networks employers being fined tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars for hiring illegals it would solve the problem really quick,i think the government is the biggest problem i grew up in a farming community in madera and fresno ,ca. I remember when you would see the border patrol on a regular basis on the streets of these cites just like city police ,not any more somebody gave the order to roll enforcement back and the authority for this comes directly under the executive branch of government
I wonder if these racist mexicans would be upset if the immigrants being deported were a bunch of white Europeans.
Hispanics aren't racist! Just listen to what these nice Hispanics have to say:
"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die. Through love of having children, we are going to take over. - Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets
"They're afraid we're going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They're right. We will take them over . . . We are here to stay." - Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council.
"The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot." - Excelsior, the national newspaper of Mexico
"We are politicizing every single one of these new citizens that are becoming citizens of this country . . ... I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, "I'm going to go out there and vote because I want to pay them back." - Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor
"Remember 187--proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non-citizens--was the last gasp of white America in California." - Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party
"We have an aging white America ... They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population . . . I love it. They are @!$%#ting in their pants with fear. I love it." - Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas
You think that's bad? Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM9uH4XgOmI
Lock and Load,Lock and Load
Will someone please just ARREST these people?? (I mean, hello....they are identifying themselves as law breakers. They certainly have THE RIGHT to be arrested under American laws.)
Yeah ? and WHO is going to arrest ?
Sheriff Arpao does - and he's now under indictment from the Feds.
The libs ? (Dems) ? They NEEEED the Latino voter base - they're not going to upset them.
If this isn't a smack in the face to every legal American citizen, I don't know what is. How dare these people, who are in our country illegally, march into a hearing and "demand their rights". Is this what Obama had in mind when he gave millions of illegals amnesty? How about respecting our laws and our sovereignty?
Arrest - you willing to pay an additional $50,000 per year per inmate in our privatized for profit prison system? Your whining about paying health care is a drop in the bucket when it comes to detaining these folks. Lets not forget Obama has deported more undocumented illegal aliens then any President before him.
Not money smart if you ask me -
With your dreams - the new privatized prison system be billing the states and feds twice as much as the Pentagon.
Think with your wallet first........ if you have one
It's time for these big meat packing plants CEOs and upper level management in personnel do a "perp walk" - busting a few, making a very good example - might deter others from doing the same thing - hire these people you hate so much - yet they save you twice as much at the check out stand. They ask little in return - just a shot at the American Dream - whatever the heck that is.
Quick - remind me what Jesus and God would do in a situation like this - don't all answer at once......
Figment, a shot of the American dream? they cut in front of the line of thousand that are complying with the regulations I am speaking as an legal Immigrant who had to wait for two years outside of the states after finish college in the US because my green card was not ready. If you want a shot you play fair and square. Remember playground rules!!
@figment- My kids and grand kids have to pay for their food,medical,housing,cell phones,They do not get it for nothing like the Illegals. In my state Maryland our governor gives them everything he calls them New Americans. The state has buildings just for them. Its a place were they can go get medical, food stamps,housing,and even a car. The state gives them drivers license no questions ask its true.Gov Omoney says it is safer on the highways if they have licence. Don't worry about insurance if they hit your car they well not have it. So i say kick them the hell out.
lukewarm: Is this what Obama had in mind when he gave millions of illegals amnesty?
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Just figuring that out now, huh lukewarm? That was the plan the entire time.
Is that what Reagan had in mind when he did it too? OR did you forget about the fact that:
Republicans Introduced Reagan’s Amnesty Act for 3 Million ‘Illegals’ Six Months Before 1986 Midterm Elections
Obama also told ICE agents not to respond to Arizona's law enforcement when he had that temper tantrum because the Supreme Court uphelp part of their state law. Shame on him! TIme to move out of the house, don't worry about the keys, we'll change the locks.
@lukewarm- this is happening because our administration is failing its duties to protect the American public. If anything, they question the constitutionality of throwing out illegal aliens, using the excuse that to do so is against our 'values' and what we stand for. Whose values? What "we" stand for?
What it really boils down to is garnering the Latino vote- it's motivated by election year. Meanwhile, as this scourge is allowed to waltz inland and whine about their "rights", as if they are owed such, we the taxpayers shoulder their added burden. Amnesty in an election year, yeah, go figure.
May our votes this election year reflect what Americans truly want, what we value and stand for!
Figment - you are wrong on many counts:
1. No, we do not advocate keeping them here in JAIL...deportation would be sufficient...Many of us would spring for gas money.
2. Jesus ? G-d ? NO - UNITED STATES (you know...CIVIL law ? Separation of Church and State ?)
...but I DO agree with the "perp walk"......