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A budtender pours marijuana from a jar at Perennial Holistic Wellness Center medical marijuana dispensary in Los Angeles on July 25.
LOS ANGELES -- A medical marijuana trade group sued the city of Los Angeles Friday, seeking to stop officials from enforcing a new ban designed to shut down more than 1,000 pot dispensaries.
The Patient Care Alliance, Los Angeles, or PCA-LA, announced that it filed a lawsuit Friday seeking an injunction against a controversial ordinance approved by the city council last month that supporters said was needed to grapple with the proliferation of marijuana dispensaries.
"The city council's actions are not only reckless, heartless and pointless, they're just plain stupid," said Marc O'Hara of PCA-LA. "The city knows that it will never be able to successfully defend this lawsuit."
It comes the same week that the city sent out letters to 1,046 locations where medical marijuana dispensaries are thought to be operating, according to the office of City Attorney Carmen Trutanich. The letter -- sent to 1,774 business and property owners, according to the city -- is cited in the lawsuit.
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The letter, mailed Tuesday, instructs business owners that a new ordinance making their operations illegal becomes effective Sept. 6.
The new city ordinance affects any "medical marijuana business," which is defined as "Any location where marijuana is cultivated, processed, distributed, delivered or given away to a qualified patient, a person with an identification card, or a primary caregiver," the letter states.
"Continuance of a medical marijuana business at this location may subject you to legal action resulting in a court ordered closure and imposition of monetary penalties of $2,500 a day, as well as prosecution for a misdemeanor, punishable by six months in jail and a $1,000.00 fine," the letter states. "Each day that the property is used in violation of city law is a separate violation."
The city attorney's office said in a statement that the letter "is not part of any enforcement scheme," noting it advises business owners to consult with their attorneys.
The city's ordinance, approved unanimously after many hours of debate before a packed council chamber on July 24, generated lawsuit threats immediately.
Medical marijuana advocates also vowed to put a referendum on the ballot asking voters to halt enforcement of the ban until a forthcoming California Supreme Court decision is issued clarifying pot-shop regulation. Many dispensaries in the city have in recent weeks been gathering signatures for the ballot measure.
When the ordinance passed, city officials said Los Angeles had 762 registered dispensaries. The list of 1,046 locations that received letters this week were compiled from several sources, the city attorney's office said, adding that the locations had not been verified.
At the same time it approved its ban, the council also passed a measure asking city attorneys to study and draw up plans to allow 182 pot shops -- ones that registered with the city under a 2007 ordinance attempting to regulate the dispensaries -- to continue to operate. That seeminlgy contradictory move could take months to realize.
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Friday's lawsuit was filed on behalf of 11 patients who have been prescribed medical marijuana for serious medical conditions, according to the complaint.
It states that the city's ordinance is in conflict with California's 1996 law legalizing the medical use of marijuana – legislation that was passed by voters through Proposition 215.
Supporters of the city's pot-shop ban say that voters who approved of medical marijuana use never envisioned the development of a multi-billion-dollar industry in the state, nor the explosive growth of dispensaries and pot-focused medical clinics.
The lawsuit argues that the city ordinance is unconstitutional and denies business owners due process.
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What does this say about the idea that all cannabis users are lacking in motivation and unwilling to engage in life to achieve positive things for themselves and others?
All these pro-cannabis votes up for grabs and no takers? I hope the losers see the folly of turning down the pro-cannabis vote!
Looking at Phelps, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington or any number of other potheads you would assume stupid people would of given up that ludicrous claim a long time ago. Stupidity does die hard.
As evidenced by the presence of the Devil
the bussiness owners should sue the city for everyday of lost bussiness after the ban ,they were not givin ample time or warnings ,they should sue the city for any improvements that they did to the bussiness as well as permits and all other legal cost ,might as well collect unemployment for themselves and the employees
Why isn't everyone able to see the pure hypocrisy of denying the legal legitimization of medical marijuana dispensaries, while accepting thousands of "pharmacies" selling hard core drugs?
All the potheads die hard and miserably
Hey politicians leave those patients and their caregivers alone! If you kick all but 182 dispensaries out of the buildings they occupy, you not only reduce your property and sales tax base further, but you also don't put most of those suppliers out of business. Study up a little bit on San Diego. They did the same thing and now hundreds of delivery services have popped up in place of dispensaries. These delivery services don't bother checking patients' recommendations, nor is the state able to collect taxes on the money they make. Craigslist ads, prepaid phones, and a solid supply of the good stuff are all you need to be running a highly lucrative tax free enterprise now. Cheers to the elected idiots that just made it easier for all of my buddies to get green. They don't even need to leave the house to get it anymore! When it is legalized at the federal level, all of us connoisseurs need to make sure we guide the industry into something that resembles the wine industry model in CA, not the tobacco industry model!
Hey "Just being mean" why so angry little guy? Did somebody wake up on the wrong side of the bed today? No need to cry just because we are having a good time and nobody wants to play with you
The pot business is a folly for the pot head hippies. Look at how many pharmacies there are in LA and how many pot places to buy now. There are pills you can take via a prescription to receive the effects but of course the pot heads don't want that. What is not included in here is the investigation of Dr.s prescribing this bull@!$%# for patients who lie to them or just Doctors who just phony diagnosis so their people who pay them to stay high all day. What LA is seeing is what is happening across the country that legalize pot. Look at how many recreational users that have been convicted of pot usage are now mysteriously developing medical conditions to use. More liberal hypocrisy that the American people sit on there hands and allow to happen. Medical marijuana is a joke and an excuse to use a loop hole in the law to abuse this drug.
Mosin: I hear your outrage and condemnation for the usage of medical marijuana; where is that same outrage for the drug called alcohol, which anyone over the age of 21 can purchase, no prescription necessary, and accounts for thousands of deaths every year?
At least marijuana has some medical benefit; what is the benefit of alcohol?
uhhh mosin.... people use marijauna medicinally because they DON'T want to use synthetic drugs that can be very harmful for your body long term. Ingesting pot, not smoking, has absolutely NO BAD side effects long or short term except maybe extreme hunger lol. Have you been living under a rock?
LEGALIZE for recreation and to legitimize gods wonderful herb he gave us for pain and depression. PEACE
and im proud to be a hippy. peace and love and acceptance to me is something worth standing for. Huge corporate profit pharmaceutical companies on the other hand...
Mosin
Congradulation. You have won the badge for idiot of the month. You are now famous. Quit while you are ahead.
The government has to much invested in it becoming legal. By being illegal they fuel the court systems judges and lawyers and DEA units and Border. The list goes on and on of the money generated to Federal employee and agencies.
Forget the argument about drugs and guns and border wars ending if legalized. Never happen because the government is to embedded in fighting this so called crime called Cannabis.
By letting immigration and drugs collapse society it assures them the role of always trying to put it back together and being saviors funded on our dime. It is security for them.
Mosin= troll
Isn't it clear from the many perceptive and deeply reasoned arguments here that pot does not create a society of befuddled mini-brains?
Imagine if it were a battle by drinkers to legalise their banned hooch. The dialogue would be barely comprehensible. "Gimme my Jack, jerk-offs," "I'll ram me bud right up yer but." And so on.
Here we have posters carefully and wisely explaining the credible reasons why the government will never lay off all those DEA goons, or cancel the beautiful arms business with border trafficking.
We have irrefutable opinions regarding the monster pharma industry, death profiteers.
And we have the cry from the heart that hemp is a product of nature, not something injected with addictive chemicals (cigarettes) or organ-rotting concoctions (alcohol).
I'm certainly on board, but until we are riding on the shoulders of powerful lobbyists, we have virtually zero hope of sane legislation.
Brit in the Pit.... Good post.
It should just be 100% legal for all adults, medical or recreational.
The whole medical only situation is kinda bs, keeping pot in a quasi-legal purgatory. While I completely agree with the medicinal value of cannabis, it also has a good recreational alternative to alcohol for unwinding after work or whatever.
"medical marijuana" just keeps prices at black market levels and gives government excuses to harass users as if it we're completely illegal. Just skip all the stupid games that they have been playing and just fully legalize. That way police resources can be freed up to go after things that actually are harmful to society.
First World problems
What a waste of Tax Payers money. The suit should be thrown out and save CA some money that they desperately need. After all, last I checked pot is still illegal. Instead of these pot heads going to court, they would be better served working together to get the federal laws changed.
Well we do live in a Capitalistic country despite what most Republicans think.
How many rehabilitation clinics have you seen for pot smokers? How many addiction groups? Now compare that with alcohol or prescription drugs. If the government were truly out to "protect" their people wouldn't it seem logical they would pursue those too with the same tenacity as with marijuana?
The reason is $$. The only real incentive. Every argument that arises for support or denial is seemingly tied to money. Current society is based on it's monetary value, not human value anymore. Until the mentality to worship financial merit over all other things can be changed, nothing will be accomplished with substance that will endure the test of time like the laws and ideals of our forefathers have.
Free Enterprise, except when it makes too much money. Then the powers that be (Pharmaceutical Companies) say it should be run by a monopoly. Let Freedom Ring.
nbdeb59 = trolling for trolls.
Lets be clear that MJ's original intent was to "kill pain", not that I'm a cancer survivor or even a user but I'd rather have them around me than a drunken Idiot and believe me I see a lot of people that hold their liquor well..
In the real world with LA having one of the largest economy's in the world I'm sure the Pharmaceutical giant doesn't have a role to play in this? Why would they give money for this to get that..
I think we all know the reasons it is illegal. And it is not because it is harmful, but because of political agreements. Its a way to arrest non-violent people, to call them criminals, and to feed the prison system and cyphon the tax payers money. Its a threat the to the Pharmaceutical Inustry (with marijuana we have a free medicine, which is easy to grow). It threatens the Alcohol industry. These 2 industries lobby against the legalization. I also believe that the govt realizes that even if they were to legalize it and regulate it and tax it...that many people would just grow their own, and they would notl get ALL the tax money it wants. So because they cant effectively steal our money, they would rather keep it illegal. What really baffles me is the stupidity or ignorance of people like Mosin and others who say "potheads/hippies only want it to get high...not for medicinal purposes". First of all, if this were enitrely true ...who cares? I personally use it for headaches...INSTEAD of pills....marijuana is natural! Aspirin, ibuprofren, etc are NOT! But here is the kicker...i also like to smoke for recreational reasons too....i enjoy the high! And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. If someone chooses to get high...so be it! What is so differerent about getting high, or getting drunk...or smoking a joint...or having a drink? Nothing...except that people like Mosin are "programmed" to thinking its bad...they're unable to really think for themselves! Oh how sadly pathetic. I mean 12 of ALL US Presidents have smoked....so 27% of ALL US presidents have smoked marijuana in other words! The most decorated Olympian of all time smokes marijuana. The Mayor of NY ( a multibillionaire) smoked mj...and enjoyed it!....People need to get their head out of their asses! Marijuana is NOT bad! And as for Hemp....that is another issue! It should be illegal to outlaw Hemp! The only thing bad about marijuana is the law!
It is a fact that our illustrious government chooses to keep it all illegal to support their court and prison system. Big Pharma as well. Do not think for a minute they will stop this insane fight - they seem to be too insecure to realize this would be a very profitable and tax generating industry but they have too much at stake. Unless we have a bunch of powerful lobbyists in our corner, like the government and big pharma does, it is sad but true we do not have a chance. Here in Oregon full on legalization will be on the ballot in November - unless our illustrious government steps in as they did when California was ready to full on legalize a couple of years ago. The feds stepped in and intimidated the state folks that it completely somehow got scrapped - somehow they got the election turned around. Most in California were all for it and it is the same here. Waiting to see what the feds next move is toward Oregon's legalization
We've all heard about the "undocubus" in the news the last couple days. Could you imagine what would happen if there were a "cannibus" (with a non-smoking driver, of course)? The Feds would have that thing stopped and everyone inside thrown in jail before it crossed one State line.
" You Can't Fix Stupid!" .. It's Time in the upcoming Elections in November,To Make the following Pledge:
"I Will Not Vote For Any Politician That Will Not Support The Decriminalization of Marijuana."
Were this a democracy, it would be legalized federally, as a majority approve legalization anyway.
Big pharma, on the other hand, with their campaign dollars....
Right - apparently big pharma couldn't match the bribes from lawyers and drug dealers in CA.
It's not Big Pharma that's the problem. If it were to be made federally legal, they would most likely be given the green light to control it. Then they could add addictive properties to it to keep you coming back for more.
The real oppressors are religion, textile, petroleum and timber industries. it wasn't Big Pharma in the mid thirties that railed against its use.
While Hemp and Cannabis are different plants, most people don't know the difference. Hemp is used in industrial and commercial application, while Cannabis is used for consumption.
Hemp is the main target for the industries and cannabis is the target for religion and the ignorant.
Hemp has a million and one uses just like petroleum. One acre equals three acres of timber when it comes to paper production, as the entire plant can be converted to it. Not to mention, it regrows must faster than a tree does, or even cotton. Matter of fact, the oldest known document is made of hemp paper.
The plant is so fibrous that it is ideal for clothing. It can also be used to make plastics, fuel and lubricants.
While Big Pharma lobbies over 10% of all lobbying dollars every year, they stand to benefit from the federal level legal use of Cannabis. It's Hemp that is making it impossible to make Cannabis legal. That and religion and those that lied back in the 30's about how you will become a blood crazed serial killer if you smoked it.
Oh, the same majority that approve of gay marriage? The Chick-Fil-A group. There are so many uses for it, especially if you live in Ca. I don't know why it hasn't been a mainstream drug all these years. Most of us grew up, but some stayed in CA.
Despite it being illegal, it IS a mainstream drug. One that can not be tied to a single death from consumption.
http://hempbasics.com/shop/cms-display/hemp-information.html
Click that link if you care to become informed about some of the uses you don't think it has.
Jane..What ???? How much pot have you smoked today? You need to cut back a little. Just smoke enough to help with the pain. Not to get so high you dont make sense..or did the Devil make you do it?
I personally think that private prisons are a bigger reason for it staying criminalised than big pharma as private prisons are the ones who stand to gain the most from incarcerations. I mean comeon, you think that private prisons are going to let go of all their non-violent drug offenders and lose money? Hell no, they get paid per prisoner. I bet that private prisons like the Correctional Corporation for America is the biggest lobbyist towards anti-drug policies of them all.
The pot business is a folly for the pot head hippies. Look at how many pharmacies there are in LA and how many pot places to buy now. There are pills you can take via a prescription to receive the effects but of course the pot heads don't want that. What is not included in here is the investigation of Dr.s prescribing this bull@!$%# for patients who lie to them or just Doctors who just phony diagnosis so their people who pay them to stay high all day. What LA is seeing is what is happening across the country that legalize pot. Look at how many recreational users that have been convicted of pot usage are now mysteriously developing medical conditions to use. More liberal hypocrisy that the American people sit on there hands and allow to happen. Medical marijuana is a joke and an excuse to use a loop hole in the law to abuse this drug.
Mosin
You've done it again. There is no such pill that gives the same effect. Ask any pot smoker that has tried it. I ask you, have you ever consumed the drug in either way? How is it you can say that the pharmiciutical crap is the same?
What you might try is kicking back, take a good long hit and get out of other people's affairs.
Mousin is your typical closed-minded neocon. It makes no sense arguing with such a dimwit, all they do is parrot out the same old garbage.
P.S. I'm more conservative than you'll ever be. That's the funny thing about neocons, they're always bitching about big government intrustion except when it's serving their evangelical agenda.
Evilgilicals!!!
Instead of a one lined response, educate me.
A link, anything. Not just some one liner that lacks anything to back up your claim that I need to brush up on my info.
I am all for learning something new.
If that were the case, don't you think the government that still gives the six remaining people cannabis in rolled form would be all over that?
I hate to break it.. but MJ will not be legal.. Synthetic pills derived from the plant are already patented by numerous companies, in drug testing trials, and being rolled out in other countries as we speak. Maritol is coming to the USA. Big Pharm has been growing mj for a while now, as have the feds. We WILL lose this war if we don't stand together for full legalization. Medical is NOT the way to go, the Feds will provide their "medical" solution while keeping the natural plant illegal for us to consume/grow ourselves.
We are losing.
I think we all know the reasons it is illegal. And it is not because it is harmful, but because of political agreements. Its a way to arrest non-violent people, to call them criminals, and to feed the prison system and cyphon the tax payers money. Its a threat the to the Pharmaceutical Inustry (with marijuana we have a free medicine, which is easy to grow). It threatens the Alcohol industry. These 2 industries lobby against the legalization. I also believe that the govt realizes that even if they were to legalize it and regulate it and tax it...that many people would just grow their own, and they would notl get ALL the tax money it wants. So because they cant effectively steal our money, they would rather keep it illegal. What really baffles me is the stupidity or ignorance of people like Mosin and others who say "potheads/hippies only want it to get high...not for medicinal purposes". First of all, if this were enitrely true ...who cares? I personally use it for headaches...INSTEAD of pills....marijuana is natural! Aspirin, ibuprofren, etc are NOT! But here is the kicker...i also like to smoke for recreational reasons too....i enjoy the high! And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. If someone chooses to get high...so be it! What is so differerent about getting high, or getting drunk...or smoking a joint...or having a drink? Nothing...except that people like Mosin are "programmed" to thinking its bad...they're unable to really think for themselves! Oh how sadly pathetic. I mean 12 of ALL US Presidents have smoked....so 27% of ALL US presidents have smoked marijuana in other words! The most decorated Olympian of all time smokes marijuana. The Mayor of NY ( a multibillionaire) smoked mj...and enjoyed it!....People need to get their head out of their asses! Marijuana is NOT bad! And as for Hemp....that is another issue! It should be illegal to outlaw Hemp! The only thing bad about marijuana is the law!
Again a simple thing. Intelligence or lack of. The POWERS that be. (FEDS). Continue to recognize Drug Cannabis as a schedule I "narcotic". Very hard to take seriously. Oh I get the "violence" aspect. Again respect issue. This is to support the racially motivated Marijuana Stamp Act. Illegal/unconstitutional act in itself. A "repeat" in the words of the Chili Peppers. A white boy who needed to keep his government job. AKA job security. That is the DEA motivation. Hell they tell DOCTORS how MUCH too subscribe. 'Cause they know. I'm a white boy. ADHD. Moderate-severe impulsivity/hyperactivity. Personally could've used more than 45 mg. of Dexedrine. Doctors' DESIRE. Been burning REEFER for 41+ yrs. now. Bet that just pisses off the Tobacco ind. that I HAVE to help subsidize. Quit them at 21. Who's product most certainly killed my mother/wifes father. ETC. ETC. To the tune of a million redundancies. Money people. MONEY. Get a f'n grip. It's all about the wrong green. I don't care if you burn or not. What I burn makes me feel closer to the planet I live on. SHARE. To be shared with. Those who haven't arrived. And deserve so much better. Antidisestablishmentaryism? Yea right. I'd like to think I pulled my head out of my ASS and smelled the real XXXX in the world. LMAOO! Still GNOSTIC after all these yrs. Truth and time. They only parallel each other. One simply speaks the other. Peace Azna. People.
Im sure the Wright Brothers did not envision the AIRPLANE becoming what it is today either..So by definition because the orginal vision has changed it's time to kill the business ..Wow ..Now that is true American Gumption ..If all of America had that attitude about emerging business..We would still have the Steam engins and bikes to get around on ..There Legal argument is...weak..there dislike for the M.M.J had clouded there vision..Perhaps they should lolok at the industry as an Industry rather than a assult upon there Conservitive lives...If they dont like it...DONT BUY IT...But dont put thoes restrictions on others because you have a moral problem with it....
Pot has been a missunderstood libation for the past sixty years or more...The amount of Missinformation surrounding Weed is just incredible...The lengths people will go to to keep THE DRUG CARTELS in business as an enemy of the Public Good...Is incredible..the stupididty is boundless..But to simply say "We did not envision this when we voted for it.." Is a cop out...If Mankind could envision the future well ALL THINGS would be different...The premise for this legal action against the Industry in L.A. is insane...
I spoke out against pot laws for MANY yrs. The: If you don't like the law, change it. WE DID!!!!!! Now, the voice of the people is no longer good??? It's State Law in 16 states, and Wash. DC. There are 10 more on the ballot in Nov. IT IS TIME for the feds to catch up and quit wasting $$$ on busting pot.
De-crim federally, allow the state's people their meds AND their fun.
Would be nice if we could get all the card holders and the ones who support them to have a march on Washington DC.
All these games Sate Govts are using are in direct conflict with their oath to uphold STATE laws.
I live in Arizona..... The games are real bad here. Our A.G. said he was going to bust everyone, even cardholders, anyway. This BS has to stop!!!
GrrRrRRrrrrr Anyway........
Much Love n Blessings All,
Da Pup
>:o): PuRrRrRrRRrRRrrrrrrr
Isn't it funny that all those people bitching about Obama, and the feds going against the will of the people stop supporting their position when it no longer suits them? Either they support what the majority want or they don't. Its similar to those people that pick, and choose what Constitutional rights they want enforced, and dont depending on the situation. "We want equal justice for all, but the Muslims" or "free speech, unless they say something we dont like", "The Goverment to uphold the law, and the will or the people, unless we dont like it"...
Legalize Illegals
over your dead body. LOL
Thats very Christian of you Jane...lol
Oh Jane....so worried about everything you have no control over anyways. Legalize illegals and legalize cannabis sales nationwide!
P.S. Jane: How did prohibition work out again? Read some John D. Rockefeller op-eds in the NY Times from that time. He was the biggest supporter of prohibition, and subsequently the biggest supporter of ending it (cliff notes bc I know you won't look into it).
Corporate interests control the decisions of our government at all levels, not the rule of law. Our government uses the laws to profit from us, unless the laws prevent the government, or its corporate masters, from its will. Our laws only apply to the people, not the corporations or politicians. As long as lobbying, or bribery as it should be called, is allowed behind closed doors, corporations will be able to control our laws to their benefit. Do not be fooled by the old slogan, "if the people will it", that is total bull. Our governments do not care about, nor do they do the will of the people anymore. We founded a great country a long time ago, which has since been hijacked by corporate self interests, pure greed, and the pursuit of power. The people of this country are nothing but "sheeple" to feed the crazed machine. Those that think they can peacefully change the broken down government system are nothing but fools. Even if you send an honest man into the machine, he will either come out a crook, or broken for the effort.
Carmen Trutanich (the city attorney) has been using this issue to grandstand and make a name for himself in an attempt to further his political career. He could care less about how many dispensaries there are -- he just wants political capital and to get his name out there. Complete unmitigated scumbucket sleazebag. With all the gang violence and everything else plaguing the city, you'd think he's have plenty of work to do without having to harrass the medical marijuana people. I can only hope he ends up like a lot of these clowns do and ends up getting himself mixed up in a scandal that finishes his career for good. The war on pot is the world's biggest joke and everybody knows it.
The people of California are in their own world. We should cut along the Arizona, Nevada and Oregon border and push it out to sea. Then we can all throw them an anchor and hope they sink. We should not bail them out for self inflicted wounds
Most of you should be deported to California before we start cutting.
Let me guess, you're from the south, right?
Let me guess you are a Left Wing Liberal Socialist
Carl Hubert, you my friend are a complete moron. It is really sad that in this day and age people like you still exist.
Education can cure the ignorant but there's no cure for stupid.
Now, head back to FoxNews for another dose of hate.
Anybody who disagrees with people like Carl are called 'Socialist" or "Liberals". What a TOOL.
Carl Hubert...uh oh throwing around words you don't understand again. Let me guess, an under or unemployed, non-college educated, white male, over the age of 50? Too predictable you clown! I can't wait til you old farts die off so we can solve the real issues this country faces and not need to have candidates offering lip-service to morons like you.
"Anybody who disagrees with people like Carl are called 'Socialist" or "Liberals". What a TOOL."
And anyone who disagrees with a Liberal is called a Southerner, a "moron", a hater, a fascist, or ignorant. MightyZeppelin and weneversleep already called Carl most of those names. So if anyone is the tool, it would be all 3 of them.
since California carries the most GDP of any state in the country I say awesome , let California be it's own country , we would be far better off .
Random, people respond to negativity with negativity, and as you can see, Carl started with a very negative statement, followed by a more negative statement. So, what exactly, is your point if you have one?
I say let them smoke themselves stupid. I say like the blacks continue living generation to generation. And then when everyone is too lazy and stupid and enslaved by the government ....oh, the Whites win again.
What will happen is all the pot smokers will figure out its not wonderful to smoke pot, quit smoking and blame the non-stoners for all their problems. We will end up paying for the whole mess anyways. Whites get screwed again.
Yea, them evil pot smokers like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates to name a couple. Who the f**k needs the internet, much less a computer. Such stupid stoner sh!t. Oh WAIT!!!! My Bad, without them you wouldn't have a place to spew YOUR hateful sh!t.
Oh Well,
Much Love n Have a NICE Day.
Da Pup
>:o):PuRrrrrrRrrrrrrrr
Let's all welcome the uneducated white supremacists to the conversation. Oh you poor white folks, life and history have been so cruel to you. Self-imposed ignorance is not something you can blame everyone else. "White" hate mongers like you tried to have your way once upon a time. Guess what...them yankees came down to your neck of the woods and kicked your ass up and down. Now stop whining, get off your lazy asses, and get out of your trailer homes for a little while!
Sleuth not sure where that came from but those yankee's continue to move south. Have you ever seen a yankee red neck with a mullet? THey are hilarious and way behind. We have Yankees move here buy a little patch of heaven then call the police when they hear gun shots. The neighbors get a kick out of it so everyone comes out at dusk now and fires off a few rounds. Even the law thinks the snow birds should move back north. They just flap their gums and complain about everything. Our $300,000.00 homes here are the equivalent to a million dollar home up north and 50 acres is really not much land when you have 100's or 1000"s. Maybe I am racial profiling the nasty nosey yankees that move south. Also I do not know any ,I repeat any white supremacist or Klansmen.
We are all like Peyton Manning. Anyways my comment still stand on Cannabis Sativa. It should be legal to rid all the Government programs that live off it and are failures.
America has now won a war on anything since War World II let alone a war on drugs.
How is that whole "we'll save money and make a ton in taxes if we legalize marijuana" thing working out for ya?
They don't collect squat on MJ since they have no idea how much is being sold. I can grow the crap on my own - sell millions of dollars worth of the stuff and claim I sold just enough to make rent - or better yet I'm losing money so I need the tax deduction.
They are losing tons and tons of money not just in this legal battle because everytime they tried to prevent one of these drug dens from opening in some neighborhoods, or near a school... another lawsuit.
So the politicians once again were either profoundly stupid or they were bought out by drug dealers and lawyers. Drop them all off in mexico and don't bother to give them parachutes.
And seriously though "medical" marijuana - you walk in and say your knee hurts, you have a headache, you can't keep your eyes open when you sneeze and you now have a perscription for narcotics.
Cannabis is NOT "narcotics".
Your legal recreational drug, alcohol, does FAR more damage to society than cannabis ever could!
So sick and tired of these scared little prohibitionists constantly crying "The Sky Is Falling"!!
@ Boe: Really well, thanks- crime has dropped in every area with pot dispensaries, tax revenues are up, thousands have jobs, and the Mexican Cartels are losing influence.
Now...I can site studies.
I can site facts- and you could find them if you wanted to.
As you're either profoundly ignorant or lying through your teeth, you clearly lack the motivation or the ability to educate yourself- and would rather spew nonsense.
Just out of curiosity, how's that nonexistent global warming working out for you?
marijuana isn't a narcotic
There is a cure for ignorance. Learn to read.
1. Marijuana is not a narcotic. That distinction is left for codeine, morphine, etc.
2. California already collects over $100 Million per year from dispensaries. Your point about not collecting is simply wrong.
Good luck with your drug war. It certainly seems to be working out so far. How many dead via cartels today (financed by Oblameo/Horner).
dadude, you were doing great until your last sentence.
Nixon got the ball rolling and Nancy Reagan ran with it.
A couple trillion were already wasted and thousands killed long before Obama was elected, let alone entered politics.
To all you doped up potheads that don't think marijuana is a narcotic. Any drug that makes you sleepy is a narcotic. Any drug that is prohibited by the government is a narcotic. Try reading something before you prove your ignorance.
So, turkey is a narcotic??? It makes me sleeping when i eat it. Granted it's no drug, but the chemical in it is added to all kinds of food. BOE, YOUR DUMB!
Boeboe the Clown is a lost cause. Once a brain washed tool always a brain washed tool. I just hope it doesn't have any kids so it can't @!$%# up their minds with its lies as well. Either brain washed or retarded. Possibly both. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
I forgot to add, BoeBoe the Clown, the definition of narcotic. Here... An addictive drug, such as opium, that reduces pain, alters mood and behavior, and usually induces sleep or stupor.
Notice that pesky little word addictive? Last time I checked cannabis wasn't addictive. In fact, every time I've checked it's never been addictive. Unless I'm reading some bull@!$%# propaganda the US gov't is spewing. Learn to read and educate yourself just a little. You may not come off as such a dolt.
Oh boeboe the clown you are too cute! As a non-doped up non-stoner, I can say with a clear mind that you are still an ignoramus! Not sure what you have less of, brain cells or teeth.
So smooth Keith Stone!
Better than taking Advil when your "knee hurts", that crap kills over 800 people each year. Let me guess, you didn't study medicine in college. Silly nanny staters, you mind your business Einstein, the rest of us will mind ours.
boe=troll
I do not understand why our country keep trying to stop a harmless plant. Our country lets food companies put all types of stuff in our food supply and nothing is ever said!!! How long is this nosense going to go on, It is a plant that is harmless and we keep putting people in prison for a weed that grows wild. I don't understand!!!
What is worse is that big Pharma pays the FDA to pass thier new drugs into society when they have much worse side effects where there isn't any in Marijuana. It isn't a free country when government is controled by money.
It's simple really. The private prison industry needs to keeps its cells full of non violent offenders. This allows them to keep minimal staff while getting maximum profit.
It wasn't so long ago that Alcohol was not permitted. If you want to obtain Marijuana you will, If you need it for medical purposes you will still get it. If these morons who run government don't get off this kick with a "drug-war" that is solely aimed at a plant they may just find themselves without a job. I don't drink alcohol but I sure am not going to try to get it criminalized. Why is marijuana a criminal substance? Because some big businesses back in the day saw it as a monetary loss to themselves and bought politicians to make it one of the most restricted "drugs" .. What a farce.
Isn't pot illegal?
Federally yes, but not in California. States rights Toto, get on the train or stay on your knees. Obama might be your king, but he isn't mine.
Oh crap...Obama will step in cus he is counting those as new jobs.
fuk u
Thank you bckcntryfun for that insightful comment.
you smoke, then look at things differently.thats a nono.follow the established thought patterns the media shovels to you and everything will be just fine.best wishes, big brother.
L.A.'s city fathers were probably bribed (or even elected) to do this by Mexican Cartels.
This moronic prohibition has enriched them to the point where their influence is far more profound than we might wish to think.
I propose we call it the THC party- a new pimple on the American body politic, almost entirely perpetuated by the right- with self-serving goals nearly as disgusting as those of the TEA party.
Forget "medical" marijuana, I want recreational use. We are fighting this war all wrong. This is why the state cant make tax money off it is because it is being pushed as medicine, they dont make much off your antibiotics or other prescription drugs (stupid boe). Legalize for all, every state, and then federal and state tax to bring it just under street prices and you will start to see the economy come back strong. And you might even have a happy workforce.
The thing is, we did realize it would become a multi billion dollar industry. Thats one of the reasons we voted for it. Take the money out of the dealers hands, put it into tax dollars and pay the state. What wasnt realized was by the nay-sayers- that our plan would work.
nouse for president!!!!!!!
I think the problem isn't with legalizing marijuana. I think it's about the irresponsible people in this country, and as long as those people exist it would be irresponsible to legalize it. We all see what irresponsible alcohol use has done to this country, we have been preaching to drink responsibly for the last 30 years I can remember. Do we want to add drunk mixed with high to the equation? This country has so many psychological problems that it is understandable why right wingers do not want to legalize it. I understand that right wingers want to think what is best for the country and left wingers want what they think is best for themselves. Drug Cartels can sell any drug. If marijuana becomes legal I am pretty sure they have enough money to become a legal distributor, or they can sell another illegal drug.... then people will want to legalize that too.
The problem is the revenue path.
People will do as they please- that's reality.
Alcohol was rendered illegal for good reasons- and all the revenue went into the pockets of people demonstrably willing to break not just that law, but many others.
Marijuana's prohibition has been immensely successful for the cartels- but, being smarter than Capone and his ilk, and propped up by Citizens United (which decision allows anyone to fund their own sock puppets) the cartels have gone to great efforts to keep it illegal- making billions in the process.
You're going to have to call this one for yourself: you can fund Americans in business, or Mexicans in cartels.
I choose the former, as they're less likely to shoot me, more likely to obey other laws, and more likely to benefit my community.
JR
Whether or not its legal people are going to use it.
There are all kinds of legal drugs (including alcohol) that are as big a problem as MJ. The difference is MJ does not seem to cause car accidents, domestic violence (or violence of any kind), or the kinds of addiction problems we see with narcotics.
Whatever the reason for smoking pot, as a medication or for recreation, it is no different than a legal drug or alcohol, and probably better.
jrsquid thank you for your comment.
Now I know that there is still hope for mankind.
You said exactly what I have always thought.
I do wonder though how people can be so enslaved to a damned plant... most of them just seem not to be able to live without it... they all want it... they all need it...
Some say that it helps with chronic pain, but I'm sure that if I were in pain myself I would just ask my doctor for actual painkillers and not a pipe.
Let's leave these damned plants on the ground were they belong...
Yes the "drug cartels" will become licensed and stay in the business even after the price falls through the floor. Next....
@ jrsquid
I hate to inform you but right now , today , anyone almost anywhere in the US that wants to smoke pot already does . The only actual difference between it being legal or not is the tax revenue and less money being spent fighting it , or no tax revenue and more money wasted fighting it .
With that said you should also realize that anyone wanting to smoke/drink and drive already does , people are either mature and responsible or they aren't it has nothing to do with pot being legal or not .
Now I realize that if it were legalized there would be a large shift in law enforcement efforts but I doubt seriously that there would be an impending downsizing . The shift would hopefully be a good thing re-tasking efforts to perhaps seal the actual borders better rather than having large amounts of border patrol agents hundreds of miles from any border . Of course the cartels may not like it but I have no problem with that , they can stay on their side of the border .
BTW speaking of painkillers , I personally don't take them since the make me nauseous , the strongest pain killer I can take is a motrin but even those will kill you if you take more than 2400mg in a day . Never mind what the other painkillers are doing to your liver but hey you know best right ?
Irresponsible people drink to excess. Irresponsible people drive cars. Irresponsible people are allowed to buy guns. So WHAT is the difference with POT? The cartels will still deal the other drugs as after 40 years our GREAT DEA hasn't even slowed it down, let alone stop it. Anybody with a little chemistry knowledge can create far worse drugs than pot, and they DO. Look at legal drugs made by the pharmacutical companies, all you need read are the side effects, which are worse than the illness you are taking them for. Pot has been growing in this country since our ancestors arrived here. This was supposed to be the land of the free. We're NOT free, we're just slaves to government, who use OUR money to do what they please, not what we WANT. That's slavery. And we let it happen.
@ mannimarco: So, you're willing to give up agriculture? I refer you to "The Botany of Desire"- which describes our relationship with apples, potatoes, marijuana, and tulips in terms which may be an eye-opener.
You'd have to give up rice based on your premise that needing a plant is bad- and rice is also processed into something far more dangerous than marijuana. Eating "white" rice causes a spike in glucose so steep that it can cause diabetes and other health issues. And rice stays in your system for months after you ingest it- elements of rice DNA survive digestion- and can be identified floating around in your bloodstream long after you eat it- doing God knows what.
Oh, corn too- especially the sodas and other products made with high-fructose corn syrup. Very bad for you, and demonstrably addictive- unlike marijuana.
And...wheat? A lot of people have gluten allergies, and don't even know it. In fact, for those who have compromised their commensal intestinal flora by eating a lot of antibiotic-laced meat or by taking antibiotics for viral conditions (just in case there's a secondary bacterial infection), some of the sugars and starches in wheat are going to cause you considerable grief.
Potatoes? If you knew how they were grown in most places, you'd never eat them again- and if you like french fries, you need to know that the acrylamides which make them so crunchy and delicious are carcinogenic.
You really need to read up on this stuff- because ignorance and opinion are no protection from the realities of a merciless universe- a universe in which marijuana is a very small problem indeed by comparison to, say, the subornation of our government by corporations- including the Mexican Cartels fighting against it's legalization.
Yes, go back to your oppression. "Currency"? irrelevant, worthless humans.
And the beat goes on, yeah the beat goes on. God gave us all things good and bad. He also gave us a sense of right or wrong. He also expressed moderation in these things. Governments are just another brick in our walls.
Beans, blankets and bullets for all.
What is the difference between politicians and stoners? Politicians don't inhale...they just suck.
What do you call a stoner that just broke up with his girlfriend? Homeless.
If there are two potheads in the back of a car, then who is driving? The cop.
How many potheads does it take to change a lightbulb. Screw it, we got lighters.
A stoner called the fire department and said, "Come quick my house is on fire!"
The Fireman asked "How do we get there?"
The stoner says "DUH, in a big red truck!"
pretty uninformed comments ghengis since our last three Presidents all admitted smoking marujuana and a couple of our Supreme court justices have as well. Many successful and intelligent people use or have used marijuana in their lives. Only movie stoners like Cheech and Chong act stupid.
Uh..Kenn,
I'm thinking that if he knows that many pothead jokes, he probably is one. I liked your one liners G K and will be sharing the with all my stoner friends. Or all my friends, same thing. maybe not the light bulb one, that one is kind of lame, but the others made me laugh.
People who live in grass houses, shouldn't get stoned.
A pothead is arrested every 30 seconds. No wonder they're paranoid.
GK, I like it. Thanks. Humor is too rare.
Best thing since sliced bread. Should be in almost every American household.
Oh. Right. It already is...
...everybody's just afraid to admit to it.
How good it THAT for our social cohesion and integrity?
don`t despise it legalize it !
I'll just say this...if I had a terminal illness and herb made me feel better to the end...then that is what I want.
Intel2... My wife is currently undergoing chemo treatments for cancer and I can tell you, and anyone else willing to listen (rational thinkers only, please) that marijuana has been a godsend. I would invite the rest of these uninformed "experts" to go and have sex with themselves.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
"Nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced." Albert Einstein
"The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced." Frank Zappa
I smoke...does my degree make you jealous?
The pot business is a folly for the pot head hippies. Look at how many pharmacies there are in LA and how many pot places to buy now. There are pills you can take via a prescription to receive the effects but of course the pot heads don't want that. What is not included in here is the investigation of Dr.s prescribing this bull@!$%# for patients who lie to them or just Doctors who just phony diagnosis so their people who pay them to stay high all day. What LA is seeing is what is happening across the country that legalize pot. Look at how many recreational users that have been convicted of pot usage are now mysteriously developing medical conditions to use. More liberal hypocrisy that the American people sit on there hands and allow to happen. Medical marijuana is a joke and an excuse to use a loop hole in the law to abuse this drug.
Maybe if you tried it, you might get a little smarter! Because your comments are just plain stupid.
copy paste much there Mosin ? can't think of anything original to say ?