Wonder what the note said? It might make the difference between hate crime and tasteless prank.

This stupid and ugly prank cannot be classified as a hate crime.

Nobody was injured; nobody was threatened; nobody was materially 'damaged'.

It may have been meant to insult Muslims but insulting someone - or even an entire group of people - is not a crime.

Americans seem to agree that the Russian punk group, Pussy Riot, was unfairly treated when the group was convicted of a 'crime' (sacrilege, blasphemy, and "hooliganism") after staging an anti-Putin prank in some church. The same standards should apply in this bacon situation; insult should not be considered a crime.

Will give partial credit for that, I think the waa factor is over the top.

Long ago and far away I recieved several notes that came right out and said " I HATE YOU!!" Mostly blondes.

This stupid and ugly prank cannot be classified as a hate crime.

Nobody was injured; nobody was threatened; nobody was materially 'damaged'.

I guess burning crosses in peoples front lawns is just an ugly prank too eh? I mean who are you to say nobody felt threatened or materially damaged?

This stupid and ugly prank cannot be classified as a hate crime.

Technically maybe it can, but it probably was more a prank. It still has an anti-Muslim attitude which makes it so. So yes it can still be a hate crime. The law is black and white on that.

Calling this a hate crime is a little excessive. Usually a hate crime involves an action against someone that is already a crime.

Do you really want to extend hate crimes to littering.

Hate Littering?

Littering with extreme prejudice?

Was this an insulting gesture? Yes.

Was this a hate crime? ...Get real!

Thinknaboutit,

I guess burning crosses in peoples front lawns is just an ugly prank too eh?

The bacon wasn't burning. If it was I would consider that a hate crime. Nothing worse than burnt bacon. Sacrilege I tell ya! Maybe the note was directions on how to make the perfect BLT that also directed them to a web site with recipes for bacon and pork? Maybe it was turkey bacon? Maybe it was tofu bacon left by some wacked out PETA member? Was it Oscar Myer bacon? Then you might have something. Definitely a Zionist hate crime conspiracy!

Calling this a hate crime is a little excessive

It's not up to you to make the decision and judgement.

All this talk of bacon is making me hungry. I think I will have bacon an eggs for breakfast this morning. Nothing like smell of cooking bacon first thing in the morning.

It's a crime against bacon!

Boo hoo. This shouldn't even make the news. I'm sick of all the whining about hurt feelings in this country. I feel bad for the poor strips of bacon that will never be eaten. For that I am shedding a single tear.

Cops investigating bacon? lol! Were there donuts there too? Seriously though - a hate crime - get over it! Go do something useful and sue McDonald's for using beef in their French Fries. You really called the police over bacon??!! I would like to backhand the idiot that made that call - maybe knock some sense into them. Next thing, people will call the police over burning a copy of the quran. Maybe we will give them the death penalty!

I can understand if the people were offended, but this is as much of a hate crime as me flipping someone the bird.

allahu akbar!

Get over it and move on! Nothing to see here.

Sounds like freedom of speech and freedom of expression to me.... Oh, but wait, since they are muslims we MUST punish the perpetrators because we don't want to offend the muslims or no telling what they might do....

If this had been something left in a field to offend Christians or Tea Party members, the cops would have come, looked at them, and then just said, "Get over it." (which should have been the response to the muslims as well.)

Depends what the note says. I believe if someone is physically hurt directly related to the bacon and the note, then maybe As far as I'm concerned, if people want to hate others, it may not be accepted, but it's their right.

Hate crime? This is in the eye of the beholder. Put a thousand Christian puppies out there and you have a love fest.

I just wounder what the posts on this story would have been if this had been a Jewish gathering for a religious celebration.

Three Canadians were seen in the area twenty minutes earlier.

Somebody's gonna fry for this.

Someone just had to "Squeel" huh? :(

This is 100% a hate crime... We can not look at it any other way. Who ever did this MUST be held accountable. How could some one rip to shreds delicious bacon.

And this is where were at today....reporting on bacon as a hate crime...the media has hit a new low....

For some reason, I imagine it going down like this:

Muslim #1: What is this? Is that bacon on the ground?

Muslim #2: Sure looks like it.

Muslim #1: Why?

Muslim #2: Beats me

Muslim #1: So anyway, did you hear that Nicky Minaj might be the new judge on Idol?

Muslim #2: Oh for real?

BMette,

"The same standards should apply in this bacon situation; insult should not be considered a crime."

While I agree with you that this was probably a malicious prank rather than a hate crime, whoever did it could at least be charged with littering. Strewing pieces of meat all over the ground is littering, and littering is a crime, a misdemeanor in most places.

THIS IS A HATE CRIME!!! The Muslem Brother Shek Mohammed Porky Pig has went into hiding!

By the way, if you eat eggs, you support abortion!

I must have missed the memo. When did littering become a hate crime?

Have to agree with Thomas Elliot on this. Since my church and our muslim neighbors are good friends its given us lots of chances to hang out and talk about these types of actions they have had to suffer thru over the years, more so since 9/11, they usually respond "Stupid people are everywhere in every nation and of every skin color and the law can't minds, just like it can't change the color of one's skin. All you can do is roll your eyes and pray they will grow the hell up."

This doesn't strike me as an act of hate, just ignorance. it's like a couple of teens got bored and decided to mess with the local muslims...my question is, how would they know where the party was going to be and shortly before it was to begin, went to the area to drop packages of bacon?

*law can't change minds* my bad.

RwEvans,

"my question is, how would they know where the party was going to be and shortly before it was to begin, went to the area to drop packages of bacon?"

I like Thomas Elliot's post, too. He hit the nail right on the head. I think the news media is probably making a bigger deal of it than it really is. As for your question about how they knew, my guess would be that the location of the celebration must have been advertised in the local media in advance or something to attract visitors.

I really don't see how it is a hate crime. Insensitive maybe, and done by someone who does hate, but not a true, defined hate crime. If bacon would have been thrown on them, asault by bacon, then yes. But this was just a sensless waste of food. People starving in this country and whomever did this has time to hate, but not enough time to feed the hungry. That is the crime.

Might be right, just struck me as kind of odd Mickey. The media has often played up these events because of all the hype in NYC and the Islamic Rec. center approved to be built near "Ground Zero" I just don't get it..*shrug*

I thought somebody whacked a hog with a .458.

So burning a cross in a black person's home isn't a hate crime either, because, after all no harm would be done except for a little charred grass which would grow back.

Hanging a swastika banner on a synagogue door wouldn't be a hate crime because they can always take it down; no harm done.

Urinating in the baptismal font in a church wouldn't be a hate crime because all they need to do is change the water.

The field is public property and not private as in the case of a church or Mosque or persons home, The person who left the pork has the same rights to freedom of speech/expression as do the muslims who also used the field, And while burning a cross on that public field would be a violation of the law a person carrying a swastika flag would not be, About the most serious law that could have been broken here is littering.

If you do not know or see the difference between your examples and this incident then there is really no need to continue this conversation

It was me...I hate bacon. LOL

Just remember, it's not what goes into your mouth that makes you unclean, it's what comes out of your mouth.

Freecasadian: @ 1.1 I suppose that taking out an inflated Santa with a BB gun is now a Federal offense, with mandatory jail time, and not a prank, if you leave a note "I hate Santa". This hate crime stuff has escalated far beyond reason and is enforced in a discriminatory manner.

What a waste of good bacon. I would love a BLT right about now. Maybe slid a fried egg on it. That would make it a BELT. YUMMY!!!! If muslims were offend by this wasteful use of bacon, let them go back to the Middle East. There they can be bacon free and kill innocent people with their human bombs. They can kill women and claim it was an "honor" killing. They can turn back time and live like cave dwellers. The West needs to place an embargo on toilet paper to the Middle East. That way the right hand will know what the left hand is doing.

I hate liver. If someone throws liver at my house is it a hate crime?

Piggy Riot strikes again!

• Personally, I cannot imagine "NOT" eating bacon my entire life.
• "BACON!" I SMELL B A C O N ! NUM NUM NUM NUM!

@ BMette and others who claim this isn't a hate crime -

You all seem to forget we can't offend muslims. They can kill anyone that isn't a muzzie but "allah" forbid we offend them.

Just go back to whichever backward, stone age country muzzies rule and leave the civilized world alone.

There'd be nowhere near the outcry if someone lobbed a picnic ham into a bar mitzvah.

I'm a muslim, and I laughed when I read this article. lol. There is no way anyone at the event was even a little bothered by this. This article was a pathetic attempt to give the racists in the comments section something to talk about.

That was a sad excuse for bacon - so much fat even the crows wouldn't eat it.

There may have been hate motivating the actions, but the story makes no mention of a crime being committed. For it to be a hate-crime it has to be a criminal act that is motivated by hate. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, but I can't find any legislation against leaving uncooked bacon in a park.

Maybe people should start leaving dildos and porn in the church pews. Of course most would look at it and wonder who found their stash.

LMFAO. RAISING PIGS IS A HATE CRIME!!!!!

What's next?

Very funny!

United States of the Offended. Go back to your land of no bacon if you don't like this one. I doubt that would offend anyone here.

Junior high school jerks did something like this.............

most intolerant group of people I've read about, know and hear about

What a waste of good bacon...................Could have fed some homeless peeps too.

AGAIN & AGAIN........mountain out of a mole hill

How can this be a hate crime when all normal people LOVE to eat it.

Somebody was bringing home the bacon and... lost it on the way home. Bacon happens...

BTW and more seriously now... would it still be a hate crime if it happened at a vegetarian party?

Heck, I wouldn't be suprised if lady gaga has a dress made out of it!

This was not a tasteless prank, but a tasty one.

What is really hateful is wasting good bacon.

I have to agree that I don't believe it's appropriate to treat this as a hate crime. Was it a prank motivated by hate, sure. But it was not a crime (aside from possiblelittering) that warrants prosecution.

Burning a cross is arson.

Painting a swastika on a Synagague is vandalism.

Both cause potential damage to one's property.

This, while mean spirited, did not cause and destruction of property or injure the affected parties in any way. (the story even states that the party-goers were unaware until after the party).

I get why people are upset, I really do. But to go after every insult as a hate crime dilutes the impact that prosecuting true hate crimes have. It makes it all silly. And that doesn't help anyone.

More division and diversion by the sensationalistic media. Where is the anti-muslim (or anti-any minority) freedom of expression? I saw no broken bones, bloody faces, headless corpses, so what was hurt here other than little feelings, some religious tenet that shouldn't be forced on any non-believer, or their own bigotry? I equate this with the Homosexual kiss-in at Chik-fil-a. Who was hurt there? Little feelings, some religious tenet that shouldn't be forced on any non-believer, and their own bigotry. But that's okay, because it was against Christians. WAAAH!

It's not hate when Muslims assault white Christians in Dearborn.

hey ":notacommie", here is the REAL story of your "oh so innopcent", so-called 'christian' jerks-offs in dearborn, with a pigs head on a stick and a sign that said “Muhammad is a…liar, false prophet, murder, child molesting pervert.”

there were peaceful christians passing out leaflets at the dearborn festival that were never bothered at all

they got exactly what they gave, hate.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/screaming-anti-islam-protesters-taunt-muslims-with-pigs-head-youre-going-to-melt-in-the-fires-of-hell/

and this is from "the blaze", hardly a "left-wing" rag

Isn't a Crime committed when a law is broken? I guess whomever did this is guilty of ........ littering?

In my mind, a crime is committed when thousands of innocent civilians are murdered by zealous idiots flying an airliner or three into a couple of buildings!!

This is just NOT news!!

It would be a nice change for the media to let us all in on what the silent majority stands for and wants. An action alone cannot be classified as being a hate crime all on its own. You need to establish the purpose and meaning behind the act and motive of the person committing the offense to establish it as a hate crime. With the msg. left behind along with what ever is on the website that was linked had the authorities believe it to be a hate crime and not just a coincidence. But never mind all that, lets continue hating anyone that looks and lives differently..shows how mature you old farts really are.

Mmmmm, bacon, Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. (Drools)

Unbelievable -

You make the assumption that those who do not view this as a hate crime can not see ANY act as a hate crime. Cross burnings, arson, beatings etc. are all obvious hate crimes and most reasonable people would not argue with you on that.

The point is that the only reason this is offensive to them is because of their RELIGIOUS prohibitions about pork. The government cannot and should not make decisions to prosecute action based on religious belief.

If we apply the law based on religious beliefs then we would have to allow Catholic Organizations to not cover birth control for their employees. We would have to allow Rasta Farians to smoke their ganja openly. The Kiss in at Chick-Fil a could be prosectued because they were taunting a Christian with their homosexual behavior, forbidden by his religion.

By blowing up trivial insults to the degree of a hate crime based on how offensive it is to the recipient, we potentially open the flood gate to classify any taboo behavior as such. The bacon did not injure anyone. It did not damage any property. It did not stop them from enjoying free access to the park. It did not keep them from their celebration. If it's not a crime for the Westboro Baptist people to do what they do, or for the KKK to march down main street wearing their white robes and carrying a swastika, I fail to see how littering some bacon can be construed as a hate crime.

Again, it's making the distinction between offensive and criminal.

While I agree that it is very offensive and ignorant and generally not nice. It's just not on the same level as the examples you cite.

Religions that forbid the eating of any kind of meat, (excluding human), are nothing but sick, twisted, cults. Their members/followers should be set free from these mind prisons. They commit acts of cruel and unusual punishment on these poor people by attacking and denying them access to meat, and the meat eating history of man.

And to abuse Bacon, from either side of the fence, as was done here, IS a hate crime... Especially to those who love their Bacon! Show your support for Bacon by having a BLT or other Bacon topped sandwich today for lunch. These crimes against Bacon must come to an end. Write you congressmen and senators. We must have legislation to protect our bacon from those who blaspheme against it. We must come out of the closet and rally together! We must meet in the streets for Bacon Pride marches! End this hate now!

God loves you, and Bacon, too! ~_o

Hehehehehehehe....

@Xina the Awesome

I fail to see how littering some bacon can be construed as a hate crime.

Maybe that's because you are looking at it as just "littering" and not taking the intent of the littering into question.....

Pieces of uncooked bacon were scattered at a New York field where Muslims gathered to celebrate the end of Ramadan.....(my bolding)

Three packages of uncooked bacon were left behind along with a note, which was signed by someone who used a code name and referenced a web site, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told reporters Monday. The web site mentioned in the note contained references to the raw bacon, Kelly said.

Quantify this incident as little as you wish (the M.O. of the "new prejudice).............. Taken into context, that's why there is actually an investigation. This is why it may be considered a hate crime.

It's not like whoever did this just dropped bacon at a BBQ, that's littering...... They actually left a note!! How you cant understand this.....

I just don't get it..*shrug*

Neither do I.......

Watch Out!

They will leading, and be THE leaders of the United States in years to come.

The population right now is Enormous in the United States--

Bacon?---how about a pork chop---Right now, their dictations to make room for their Religious beliefs are invasive to other American people. Demands, that the People of the US cower to. Hardly a Hate Crime. It was a prank.

What the note said: "Honey, I'm leaving the Bacon in a bag on the front step. I hope you remember to bring it in before the birds fly away with it like last time."

Hey, don't get me wrong......

This guy could have been some kind of Pork Lobbyist, just hangin' around NYC.......

Had no idea that the field he chose to "guerrilla advertise" on was about to host an end of Ramadan celebration.

Could have aaaaaall been just some HUGE misunderstanding........

Hate crime? Are you serious? And this is the SAME government that called the Fort Hood shooting by Nidal Hasan "workplace violence"? So what next - if I decide to where a t-shirt with the picture of Porky Pig on it then I can be charged with a hate crime too?

This politically correct nonsense has got to go. People can smear human feces on a picture of Jesus and that is called "art" and "protected by the first amendment" but bacon on the ground at a muslim event is considered a hate crime?

This country is becoming very close to the point where it will implode upon itself and the country we grew up in will not be the country we will be forced to live in the rest of our lives..........

The bacon in this case is no different than spray painted swatikas outside a synagogue or putting a burning cross in a black person's front yard.

The level of cultural self centered ignorance in most of these replies is grossly un-american and unchristian in the extreme.

They eat pork and see pictures of naked women and watch porn. All in the comforts of their closets. Give me a break on the hate crime.

I read the headline and thought Kevin Bacon had gone to the ceremony. oops

It might have been a hate crime if someone had thrown the bacon at a muslim, but this appears more like a hate crime against a pig.

The next time you hear of a muslim group celebrating in public, grab your BBQ and set it up next to the group, and then cook and eat the bacon in front of them. Now thats funny!!!

Except for the fact that there actually are still cross-burnings on peoples property happening today. Pennsylvania Man Indicted for Cross Burning.

Still trying to compare apples with cucumbers, In the case you cited those are unlawful acts...There was no unlawful act committed here, It is not against the law to just hate, People like you always try to cite examples of actual crimes and then try make the incident in question somehow comparable.

It is not, No muslims were forced to eat bacon, None were given bacon without their knowledge and according to the article they did not even know there was any bacon there until someone else told them.

Muslims do not eat bacon, That is their choice as dictated by their religion. No one is forcing them to eat it or even touch it.

I am catholic and I remember growing up we were not allowed to eat meat on fridays, Every friday the school cafeteria served hot dogs and baked beans with pork, They also served peanut butter sandwiches, On days that I did not brown bag my lunch I simply chose the peanut butter sandwich, I did not go out and complain that my religious beliefs were being violated, I simply understood that not everyone held the same beliefs and that they should not be penalized because of mine.

However god forbid that peanut butter sandwiches be served in a school today, It seems that as we progress the rights of the many have been slowly eroded away by the complaints of the few.

All that tasty bacon going to waste. Sad day in America indeed.

Howy: Did you JUST compare painting swastikas on a synagogue and burning a cross in a black person's front yard to bacon on the ground. Did you REALLY spend the time to type that and thought it actually made sense?? Unbelievable................

Let me educate you: painting a swastika is vandalism. That damages property AND is associated with a group that, historically, physically attacked and killed Jews. The HISTORY of the swastika and the vandalism and threats of violence is the crime. Burning a cross is the same - taken as a threat of violence and historically a sign of violence. Also damages property.

But bacon on the ground is like someone putting flyers for 1-800-sex-lines on a sidewalk by a church. Disgusting - yes. A crime - no. No threats just dislike for a person's religious beliefs. I have been called all kinds of names in threads such as this when I speak of my belief in creationism. Many dispute creationism and I have been insulted and called names on a number of occasions. They may not like me or agree with me. Do I think their name calling and insults are innappropriate? Yes. Disgusting way to speak of another person's religious beliefs? Yes. Intolerant of my beliefs? Yes. But I NEVER considered it a "hate crime". Just a difference of opinion.

That is what this bacon deal is. Inappropriate? Yes. Disgusting? Yes. Intolerant? Yes. Hate Crime? NO!!

Unbelievable - Intent of a legal act doesn't make it illegal.

If I intend to offend Catholics by going to mass and taking the Holy Eucharist out of the church and throwing it on the ground (which actually happened at my mom's parish) I cannot be arrested for it. It doesn't matter that to Catholics the wafer is the actual flesh of Christ and considered holy and sacred. It doesn't matter that my reasoning might be that I hate the Catholic Church for their views on women and homosexuals. It wasn't an illegal action and cannot be prosecuted no matter how hurt someone's feelings got.

The freedom to be ignorant and predjudice and bigoted and a complete ass is one of the greatest acheivements of our constitution. If we didn't give others the freedom to be something we despise, We could never be certain that we would not have our freedom curtailed as well.

You cannot legislate people to like you. You cannot legislate people to always keep their opinions to themselves. It's unamerican.

What you can do is speak out yourself against these acts. You can stand in that same field in solidarity to our muslim neighbors and you can be vocal and denounce mean and vicious attacks. It is my belief that the grand majority of Americans are not bigoted xenophobes. I believe that MOST Christians are nice people who would never do anything to hurt someone else's feelings on purpose. We can't expect the courts to handle all of our problems. Sometimes you just have to stand up for what's right.

LostinthPine: I forgot about that:)!! You are right - I was raised catholic and on Friday's we did not eat meat. So the school cafeteria should have been charged with a "hate crime" for serving meat on Friday's!! Or was it ACTUALLY meat.................. Now that I think about it I just don't know:)..................

mmmmmmmmmm BACON :P~ ~~` STRIPS OF YUMMY BACON going to waste is a crime !!!

So bacon at a muslim celebration IS a hate crime, and a SHOOTING at a Christian nonprofit IS not?

Are you friggin kiddin' me??

Oh those poor,poor,Muslims! Hate crime???? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! This hate crime thing, is getting way out of hand!

"I guess to some of you the Black church burnings of 2010 and especially the 27 black churches of 1996, Have no relevance to a hate crime whatsoever....... The 1996 burnings really perplexed me, as sooooooooooo many Christians nowadays are harping on how the christian faith has been vilified here in the good old U.S. of A. and there was very little outrage about these christian churches...... Naaa... no hate and racism there..... Typical Christian hypocritical B.S....."

Comparing dropping bacon on a field of grass to burning a church? Conveniently not remembering the outcry from other Christians when this happened? No comparison, man, and if you can't see that then you're blind. Typical "reverse-bigotry" B.S.

Flag-burning, cross-burning, book-burning, news articles, etc. are, though their messages may be unpopular, protected forms of expression of thought. No one was hurt, no one was forced to sit in the back of a bus, no home was burnt, no church was destroyed, the holocaust museum wasn't shot up, no OTHER CRIME was committed except maybe misdemeanor littering. Dropping the bacon was apparently some kind of statement intended to insult the religious belief held by a minority presence in this country; it hurt no one and didn't even prevent the celebration from continuing. It was politically incorrect, and that is the ONLY reason you and your ilk are crying over it.

You also assume it was a "christian" who did it? No way it could have been an atheist that was just making fun of their religion, like they all do about Christians with impunity. Right? No way it could have just been some kid playing a prank with no religious/political thought in his THC raddled head. Right? You have some inside knowledge that it was a white male Christian intent on killing muslim people with bacon fat. Right?

Did you speak out against the homosexual kiss-in at Chik-fil-A because it offended "Christian beliefs?" That was also a symbolic protest intended to offend a particular religious group, just like this may have been. Sounds to me like you pick and choose your righteous indignation according to your own bigotry.

I fight for the right of ALL people to hold their own opinions and peacefully speak their minds. You have to admit, dropping bacon on the ground was about as peaceful as it can get and still convey a message. Now, fine them for littering and drop the P.C. koolaid ridden "hate crime." Or fine the kiss-in people for "hate crime" too.

bonos_rama wrote "Jews think it is okay to take part in such anti-muslim sentiment b/c that kind of hatred ALWAYS turns right back in Jews." Where did that come from? Yes....ALWAYS blame the Jews is more like it! What was done is wrong but stop YOUR hate BONOS_RAMA! How could you blame anyone without proof? This just gave you the opportunity to express YOUR HATE and to spread toxic ideas. Get a life!

"Hate crime" doesn't mean that hating becomes a crime.

It means that a crime is motivated by hate or bias against a protected group.

The test is if the action would have been considered criminal in and of itself. In this case, no -strewing bacon would not be considered a crime in and of itself.

Setting a fire in someone's yard would be considered a crime in and of itself.

Spray painting graffiti on someone's home would be a crime in and of itself.

Beating someone up would be a crime in and of itself.

Physically preventing someone from entering a place they had a right to be would be a crime in and of itself.

Doing these things because you are motivated by hate for their gender, religion, sexual orientation, race or ethnicity makes these crime "hate crimes" and takes the penalty already on the books for these crimes and increases it.

What is the penalty for littering? A $100 ticket? So what would the penalty be for "hate littering"? A $200 ticket? Really? Why are we going to waste any energy on trying to track these people down? To give them the attention that they wanted from this? Clearly they did it to get a rise out of us, looks like it worked.

Wouldn't it have to be delivered in a vest to qualify as a hate crime?

hey ":notacommie", here is the REAL story of your "oh so innopcent", so-called 'christian' jerks-offs in dearborn, with a pigs head on a stick and a sign that said “Muhammad is a…liar, false prophet, murder, child molesting pervert.”

As insensitive and insulting as what these individuals did they still have not committed any offense or crime, They are protected under the first amendment, However the individuals that assaulted them did commit crimes. I am sorry you do not understand the difference, Unfortunately you probably never will

Ho ProBusiness...I most always brown bagged my lunch, That way I knew there was no mystery to what I was eating;~)

Intent of a legal act doesn't make it illegal.

Well, well, well.... you just blew your own argument out of the ballpark.........

There are HUNDREDS of statutes, Civil and Criminal, that have intent as the basis for a crime and prosecution. Some of the more serious ones include:

• Attempted murder AND First Degree Premeditated Murder
• Conspiracy
• Embezzlement
• False Pretenses
• Forgery
• Larceny
• Burglary

All crimes having to do with intent. I would gather to think(and apparently so does Law Enforcement...) the web posting, the note and the bacon all together coming from this "Midland007" constitutes intent.

For example, if John shoots a gun at Matt while yelling "I want to kill you," but never hits Matt, John would likely be charged and convicted for attempted murder. Intent......

I guess the uninformed and uneducated see it as "Free Speech" and have NO clue as to how illegal it is....

How could anything be a hate crime against a group of people that are commanded by their bible to kill everyone who does not agree with them? They are also praised if they lie, cheat or steal in the name of their god so claiming to be the religion of peace is just another lie about the muslimes.

How about we put this into perspective and get to the bottom of it all.

Religions are just the oldest and longest standing businesses in history. Somebody had a great idea once: "Let's sell faith! Can't be proven right or wrong...all these fools will pay big money to stay in the 'holy one's' good graces...we'll make a FORTUNE! FOREVER!" Tell me the Catholic Church, with all their gold, art, Vatican City, mysterious goings on, hierarchy of grand pooh bahs is nothing more than a giant corporation. The Jewish faith, the Mormons, the Muslims...think about it.

So religions are a business. But f#@king with them is a hate crime. We know this.

Why, then all the persecution of Wall Street? The businesses on Wall Street are out to make money. Just like religions. Wall Street = Religion. Also, the stock market is kind of a faith play, too. See the parallel?

So I believe it is a hate crime to go after Capitalism for their 'belief' in making money. No different from traditional snake oil salesmen, er, religions. Wall Street, if anything, is just up front about it.

Intent of a legal act doesn't make it illegal.

Well, well, well.... you just blew your own argument out of the ballpark.........

There are HUNDREDS of statutes, Civil and Criminal, that have intent as the basis for a crime and prosecution. Some of the more serious ones include:

If you took the time to read something and understand it you would note that they said the intent of a LEGAL act does not make it illegal, In all those things you cited they are already illegal and no one is saying they are not.

Waste of food and an expensive tasty tasteless joke. Oh well.

Get rid of religion so we can all get along. Religion is just another excuse to divide, separate, and isolate people. Besides, it's just silly.

Oh, I thought this article was about Kevin Bacon.

Yes, it's just a stupid and harmless (although hateful) prank to deliberately place something that is strictly forbidden by religious law at a place of religious worship (which that park was, even if only temporarily) as a means of intimidation/insult/offense. Until/unless it's something forbidden by the Christian Bible that is placed at/in a Christian church -- then it becomes a hate crime AND a crime against Christianity.

Such HYPOCRISY there is every day in the "Christian" world.

This is simply more of the tabloid known as nbc attempting to sensationalize essentially nothing, and pretty much everyone is in agreement as evident by the vast majority of postings mocking this story.

It's no wonder nbc has become a money losing operation and a laughing stock.

A hate crime is a category used to described bias-motivated violence: "assault, injury, and murder on the basis of certain personal characteristics: different appearance, different color, different nationality, different language, different religion.”

Where was the assault, injury or murder in this case?

thegreatsquare

Calling this a hate crime is a little excessive.

Jeff-1592116

It's not up to you to make the decision and judgement.

Actually it doesn’t seem like anyone can make the decision. Here’s the origin of recent hate crime definition.

The first state hate-crime statute, California's Section 190.2, was passed in 1978 and provided for penalty enhancement in cases where murder was motivated by prejudice against four "protected status" categories: race, religion, color, and national origin. Washington included ancestry in a statute passed in 1981. Alaska included creed and sex in 1982 and later disability, sexual orientation, and ethnicity. In the 1990s some state laws began to include age, marital status, membership in the armed forces, and membership in civil rights organizations.

Criminal acts which could be considered hate crimes in various states included aggravated assault, assault and battery, vandalism, rape, threats and intimidation, arson, trespassing, stalking, and various "lesser" acts until in 1987 California state legislation included all crimes as possible hate crimes. (emphasis mine)

“,,,until in 1987 California state legislation included all crimes as possible hate crimes”

So, all crimes are possibly “hate crimes”. This proves the absolute absurdity we have reached in our preoccupation with political correctness.

Our incessant need to continue ”labeling” things has driven us to this level of confusion. If “all crimes” are “hate crimes” why do we have to add the hate- prefix?

Remember that muslims are not allowed to look on a naked woman without committing suicide. LADIES get naked and start running.

This is such a stupid thing. It never should have made headlines. Who ever did this should never have been this childish either. Leave the people alone, maybe they will go home.

Did the pigs who were investigating the "crime" charge themselves with a hate crime for being pork at a muslim gathering?

P.S.

Thanks liberal media for showing your prejudice against America yet again.

unbelievable, people like you who bring Christianity into discussions about Islam are rather comical. So you know for a fact that all the people on this vine who comment are indeed Christians? Let me give you some advice not all white people are Christians. Do you even know what a Christian is?

Unbelievable: But NO CRIME was committed!! You continue to raise arguments that just don't apply. If hate was part of the CRIME then it can be called a hate crime. If a person throws a piece of bacon on a person of muslim faith, makes some derogatory comment about pork, THEN proceed to attack him THEN a hate crime has occurred. But if this person simply made a derogatory comment (but not threatening) while eating a bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwich then walked away NO crime has occurred!!

If a pro-gay individual (Corkins) walks into a Family Research Center (FRC) that supports conservative values with 15 Chick-Fil-A sandwiches and tells the guard he doesn't like the values of the FRC THEN proceeds to shoot at the guard THEN a hate crime has occurred. But if Corkins had walked into the FRC, with 15 Chick-Fil-A sandwiches, and just told the guard he doesn't agree with the FRC values BUT then turned and walked out the door THAT is not a hate crime!! The hate crime is if the CRIME was based on hate. Throwing bacon on a field is NOT a crime (unless you want to arrest for littering and do you REALLY want to arrest someone for "hate littering"?).

The government that investigates this nonsense as a hate crime is the one that denies that the Muslim Major that went about slaughtering his fellow Army members while shouting Allah Hu Akbar , i.e., God is great in Arabic ,was a terrorist. That's right the government will not label Major Hasan the Ft. Hood traitor a Muslim terrorist but it probably will call those that drop bacon on the ground terrorists.

To call this bacon dropping a hate crime is absurd. To call it a crime is absurd. The entire concept of a hate crime is absurd ,only conjured up by liberals to attempt to control and punish thought with which they disagree. The Muslim attitude toward bacon does not trump the right of others to embrace another attitude toward it. Muslims despise the right to freedom of speech and religion. Soon the liberals will seek to limit our right to practice those freedoms in the presence of those of the Islamic persuasion.

"The bacon in this case is no different than spray painted swatikas outside a synagogue or putting a burning cross in a black person's front yard."

So when offensive things are done against white people or Christians do you find offense, or is it okay if it's done to a majority member?

"Until/unless it's something forbidden by the Christian Bible that is placed at/in a Christian church -- then it becomes a hate crime AND a crime against Christianity."

Hmm, do you remember the Mapplethorpe controversy from several years ago? Under your philosophy, then, that should have been a hate crime against Christians. I can't seem to remember when anything done against Christians was classified a hate crime. Can you post any examples?

Why don't you people admit that "hate crime" legislation was only invented to offer special protection for certain minorities, with the intent to control and legislate public thought. It's Big Brother in action.

While proving INTENT in a court of law proves an offender's culpable mental state (a requirement for conviction) during the commission of an actual crime, a person's thoughts and opinions should NEVER be used to prosecute him for an act that is either NOT ILLEGAL, or something as minor as this. Had he thrown bacon ON the people, that would be different because touching the people would be assault (an actual crime) and his intent would be religious intimidation (a candidate for enhancement). As it is, throwing the bacon on the ground shouldn't be seen as any worse than burning a flag at a political rally (freedom of expression with the intent of showing displeasure with one's government), homosexual kiss-in at a privately owned Christian place of business (freedom of expression with the intent of harassing people whose religious beliefs are offended), or Mapplethorpe's "Christ in Piss" "art" (freedom of expression with the intent to offend people who hold Christ as sacred). Now, try painting "Mohammed in Piss" and see what these poor, oppressed Muslims do. You won't receive the same "tolerance" as they demand from you.

Unbelieveable- You seem reasonably intelligent so I have to assume that your purposefully misunderstanding of what I said is intentional, perhaps driven by some desire to "stir the pot" so to speak.

"Criminal intent" is a factor when one commits a crime. This is not being disputed. Yes there is a matter of intent to differentiate between someone who accidentally fires his gun in the direction of someone else while hunting and someone who does so while attempting to commit murder. The difference is that the individual was attempting to commit a crime. In this case the intent was to offend another, to hurt their feelings perhaps or make them feel unwelcome. It would be very hard to argue that the intent of strewing bacon around was to physically maim them. While the intent is not nice, neither is it criminal. If you can't understand that difference then I really feel sorry for you.

Just don't cry about it when your personal views are the ones out of favor with the public.

No big surprise that mod Sally has stuck her nose in on a muslim article. But big surprise, she didn't ban the op! I'm shocked!

They should be charged with littering, not a hate crime. Since when is it a crime to be disrespectful in this country!? Sharia law coming to a town near you! It is so true that you can be fined or even arrested for eating in public during Ramadan in a muslim country...this is a part of sharia.

FYI this would also be offensive to Jews. ( funny how nobody rants on them eh? just Muslims...)

I thought that bacon went well with everything.

Rob-Seattle,

"funny how nobody rants on them eh? just Muslims"

The truth is that I have seen only too many posts on Newsvine ranting on Jews, as you put it. It's just that since 9/11 it has become more fashionable among the prejudiced crowd to rant on Muslims. You are absolutely right, though, that Jews don't eat pork, either, although I'm not sure they would be offended by someone throwing pork around on the ground. That was, by the way, one of the major causes of heartache between the Jews and their Roman masters in the time of Christ. The Jews did not eat pork because they consider the pig an unclean animal, and pork was one of the Romans' favorite meats.

we are becoming too PC! Sounds like someone needs to get a life if this is a hate crime!

Yes there is a matter of intent to differentiate between someone who accidentally fires his gun in the direction of someone else while hunting and someone who does so while attempting to commit murder. The difference is that the individual was attempting to commit a crime. In this case the intent was to offend another, to hurt their feelings perhaps or make them feel unwelcome.

Exactly the composition of a Hate Crime......Xina the Awesome

A hate crime is a category to described bias-motivated violence: "assault,injury, and murder on the basis of certain personal characteristics: different appearance, different color, different nationality, different language, different religion.

"Hate crime" generally refers to criminal acts that are seen to have been motivated by bias against one or more of the types above, or of their derivatives. Incidents may involve physical assault, damage to property, bullying, harassment, verbal abuse or insults, or offensive graffiti or letters.

The Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, also known as the Matthew Shepard Act, is an American Act of Congress, passed on October 22, 2009

The bill also:

• removes the prerequisite that the victim be engaging in a federally protected activity, like voting or going to school;
• gives federal authorities greater ability to engage in hate crimes investigations that local authorities choose not to pursue;
• provides $5 million per year in funding for fiscal years 2010 through 2012 to help state and local agencies pay for investigating and prosecuting hate crimes;
• requires the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to track statistics on hate crimes based on gender and gender identity (statistics for the other groups were already tracked). ^[4][5]

Thank you.......Xina the Awesome

I understand some of you people (not necessarily Christians, either...) don't LIKE the laws, and possibly not understand them. Unfortunately that does not invalidate the laws as they stand currently........

The muslims probably put it there themselves just to claim they are the victums of a hate crime. Again!!!!

All they have to do is pick the @!$%# up and move on.

Sally thank you for restoring my remark above...but it seems someone doesn't agree with your granting free speech. I'm not sure why anyone would collapse my sentiment. Thanks for trying.

All they have to do is pick the @!$%# up and move on.

What do people NOT get about they cannot even touch pork?? Pork is haram........ Sigh.......

Think... taking the lords name in vain, but 100x worse.....

Personal Observance:

A relative related a story to me several years ago, wherein he was staying at a Muslim friends house and when he woke up, The friend and his wife had gone shopping. He walked to the store to get bacon, eggs and a potato. He had a good meal which was promptly soured when his friend returned home to find that his pans and stove was used to cook pork. It's enough to say the pan was deep-sixed forever and my relative had to scrub the whole cooking area and stove and refrigerator (where the leftover bacon was....). haram.

Unbelievable,

Yes, you're right, but did you know that the thought of eating such food as is forbidden to people of a particular religion, such as pork for Jews and Muslims or beef for Hindus, is actually physically revolting to them. There is a story of a famous Hindu Swami who was invited to the World Conference of Religions that was held back in the 19th. century. He was unwittingly served a meal of beef that he did not realize was beef at the time he ate it, but he said that when he found out afterward that what he had eaten was beef, he felt nauseated. It's sort of like eating dog meat for us. It's just not something we usually do and so the thought of eating it is nauseating to most Americans just as the thought of eating pork or beef is nauseating to Muslims and Hindus respectively. Many Asians, on the other hand, find a certain type of dog delicious. It's all a cultural thing, but more than just a religious taboo.

Unbelievable said ""Hate crime" generally refers to criminal acts"

Can you please tell me what criminal act was committed? Which one? (I don't see littering on your list below...)

Incidents may involve physical assault, damage to property, bullying, harassment, verbal abuse or insults, or offensive graffiti or letters.

You're doing a pretty good job on your own so I don't think I'll point out how utterly foolish you're making yourself look.

Unbelievable - unbelievable.

insults

@ Unbelieveable: Thank you for pointing out how broad and all-encompassing "hate crime" legislation is. If anyone has bothered to read what you have written and understand it, you have illustrated nicely how a two-tier justice system has been created in this country; one with penalties for crimes against "majority" members, and another with harsher penalties for crimes against "protected" classes.

Unequal justice promotes contempt for the law.

For God's sake.
Is this how petty and paranoid we have become that something this trivial even makes the news?
"Hate Crime"?
Sounds like a tasteless prank by some stupid inbred.
The Muslims probably just walked around it or kicked it into the bushes.
Are you sure this wasn't an article in The Onion?

J-Stat

Thank you for your kind words. Nice to see how some can comprehend just how our 2-tier justice system has hurt "protected" classes since the inception of this country, because we have always has a 2-tier system since its inception.... (you know, the "Enumeration Clause" and "Ole' Jim Crow" and ect...)

It's no wonder why minorities have always, and even today, have mistrusted the courts and law enforcement when it comes to their interests..

Unequal justice promotes contempt for the law.

Truer words have never been spoken....

Insults are not a crime! They are a right!

Insults are not a crime! They are a right!

I guess that all depends on your point of view. According to your point of view I could call you a Pig and you wouldn't mind a bit. But if I called a follower of Islam a Pig I could lose my head for it.

We have to remember that ALL people in this world do not share our ideals. What we consider to be our "rights" may not be considered as rights by people in other countries, or people "from" other countries who have immigrated to the United States.

Cultural clashes such as this are only going to become more frequent and explosive unless we all grow up and learn to live together and accept each others way of life.

Thank you CC...you said just what I thought, but I would only sound ignorant.

Walking your dog near a Muslim is considered a hate crime.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/53337/bacon-now-anti-islamic-hate-crime-nypd

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/08/james-m-arlandson-marriage-to-prepubescent-girls-in-early-islam.html

Islam, also known as Mohammadism is the fastest growing religion in the World, and Christianity is in the decline...here in the USA ,folks who refer to themselves as Christians are often Christians in name only,...like me saying I am a movie star.......

Christianity teaches adherents to "Suffer not the little children", and to "Turn the other cheek" and to "Pay unto Caesar,that which is Caesars" and "Thou shalt NOT kill" ( note absence of asterisks)...yet Americans wish to deny medical care to the poorest children...."No Obamacare !", and Americans love their weapons and use them often, and the very wealthy,like Romney has REFUSED to file his taxes for 2011...and admits he has had and still has secretive accounts in banks in Bermuda,Switzerland and in the Cayman Islands.....(on the other hand, Romney and his wife have stated that they support Abortion rights, Stem Cell research and Romney did sign into law an assault weapon ban in Massachusetts and came out saying he supports that states very strong gun laws, strongest in the USA.....of course he isn't a Christian,though..he is a Bishop in the Mormon Church, which believs that God lives on the Planet Kolod....go figure.......maybe he does...

Romney also created Obamacare...only it was called RomneyCare when he was the governor of Massachusetts ( He has 2 degrees from Harvard !)......when Obama heard how successful RomneyCare is, he tracked down the same team which Romney created to make RomneyCare, and Obama used the stolen,...er, borrowed idea, to create a watered down version for the USA.........

Incidentally, 99.5% of Massachusetts residents now have healthcare, something which Jesus would approve of....hope Romney now does that for YOU !

I wish someone would leave bacon on my front lawn. At almost $5 a pound, who could afford to waste it?

It upsets me that someone would put good bacon to waste

I think they should all go back to the country they came from instead of trying to demonstrate a religion most real Americans would never follow.

It's not like they attached a suicide vest to a pig and set it off in the middle of the crowd.... oh, wait! Isn't that what the muzzies do to themselves? Speaking of that, I've said for many years that we could pull out the troops and just air drop some feral pigs in various parts of the Middle East with some type of proximity mine. Some muzzie comes walking up on a pig and...BAMN! covered in pork. Once that happens a few times and word gets out...they will stop fighting. The plus side is we could get rid of some of the millions of feral pigs we have in the South. It's a win-win situation!

Liam you have that incorrect. The quote is "render to Caesar that which is Caesar's and render to God that which is God's". Which basically means that the material world is of no concern of God and that you ought to be concerned solely with the immaterial. But of course the Republican'ts still do not abide by it.

deewine

I think they should all go back to the country they came from instead of trying to demonstrate a religion most real Americans would never follow

Yes, they're just a pack of murdering thieves who twist the words of their Holy Book to say whatever happens to be most convenient to them at the time and they wish only to force their own values on everyone else... Oh, wait, I just described the English-speaking descendants of those Germanic-descended peoples who colonized a continent called "North America" and now call themselves "Americans"..........

Perhaps you think the Creator sent you here to dispose of us as you see fit. If I thought you were sent by the Creator, I might be induced to think you had a right to dispose of me. Do not misunderstand me, but understand fully with reference to my affection for the land. I never said the land was mine to do with as I choose. The one who has a right to dispose of it is the one who has created it. I claim a right to live on my land and accord you the privilege to return to yours. ---Hinmatóowyalahtq̓it (Chief Joseph), Nimíipuu (Nez Perce) Nation

Liam.....you obviously don't know any Americans......

deewine
That is one of the most ignorant comments I have ever read, and I've read quite a few.
What qualifies in your simplistic view as a "Real American"?

It's all fun and games until some's eye gets poke with a piece of bacon.

It isn't funny, it is a sad,stupid and juvenile example of hatred.....

Maybe a pig just exploded there. Would it be a hate crime if someone dump a case of beer on a rednecks front lawn?

A PRANK ? Like A BURNING CROSS on your lawn kinda PRANK ?

It isn't funny, it is a sad,stupid and juvenile example of hatred.....

Hating is not against the law, Expressing your hatred without actually breaking the law is also not against the law.

I do not condone hate but I also do not condone people who hate people who hate.

A PRANK ? Like A BURNING CROSS on your lawn kinda PRANK ?

No burning a cross on someones lawn is a crime, However no one burnt a cross on someones lawn, in this case someone left bacon on the grass in a public park and it happened before a group of Muslims had a ceremony in a public park, So unless you are going to ban bacon in a public park no crime has occured, And when you ban bacon in that park you damn well better ban religious ceremonies there too.

So.. why is this a Hate Crime? Would it be considered a hate crime if someone went around and scattered atheism letters at a park where a religious christian thing was going on? If you consider the bacon litter then you must also consider pamphlets left litter. What is the actual crime? littering? There is no way this can be considered a hate crime unless the bacon was tied with notes that were death threats. This is a huge overreaction and a gross abuse of the law to target some idiot who wanted to be a jerk. Would you consider people gathered to protest CFA's stance on marriage a hate crime if they left adult novelty items here and there? We need to draw a clear line between what is a hate crime and what is not because it is dangerously ambiguous and left up for moronic police departments and self righteous irresponsible prosecutors to decide.

But an "LGBT" volunteer enters through the doors of a Christian based lobbyist with a loaded 9mm handgun and chicken sandwiches from a like minded business concern then shoots the building manager while declaring that he does not like the group's politics; yet NBC never once refers to this murder attempt as a hate crime.

NBC could not be any more obvious about their disdain for the religious freedom of those that share the immutable faith of this nation's founding fathers if they tried.

It is a hate crime; against the pig! What did Wilbur ever do to them;>)

Isn't it a conflict of interests for pigs to investigate bacon?

RandyEK

But an "LGBT" volunteer enters through the doors of a Christian based lobbyist with a loaded 9mm handgun and chicken sandwiches from a like minded business concern then shoots the building manager while declaring that he does not like the group's politics; yet NBC never once refers to this murder attempt as a hate crime.

You might have a point there -- so next time someone burns a CHRISTIAN church it should not be called a "hate crime". Not even by the so-called "Christians" who always holler about how "muzzies" kill people because of some religious HATRED.

Even the killing of a white person by a gang of blacks, while the gang members holler and scream "death to whitey!", is just a plain everyday murder. No, that ain't a hate crime........

Agnon...you evidently missed their point, They were pointing out that a clear case of a hate crime was not reported as such, Of course I know you knew exactly what he meant but you thought you would be clever and try to twist it to suit you.

Hate crime is just crime. Plain and simple. But plain and simple isn't the federal government. Unjustifiably complex, indefensibly costly and unlawfully overreaching - that's the government. They're just plain criminal.

thepunisher
Thanks a lot!
I just spit my drink all over my keyboard!
Hilarious!

I dunno. I think it's kinda funny.

Seriously. How retarded do you have to be to be offended by bacon?

Spencer, they're offended because anything pork is forbidden from their diet. They don't touch it... This was a stupid prank but obviously not enough to make a federal case out of. Live it to the over liberal NY to waste tax payers money on it...

I know why they're offended. But that doesn't take away from them being retarded for it.

True...

Spencer-399802

I know why they're offended. But that doesn't take away from them being retarded for it.

So what offends you to the core of your being, Spencer? Let us know so that someone can scatter it all over YOUR house, or church, or yard, or whatever place you happen to enjoy being at. Then, when you are so deeply offended that you call the police and demand to have them investigate -- YOU can be called "retarded" for being so offended.

I remember exactly one time in my life that I was offended. It was a documentary about a guy that used to kill people for the mob. He talked about the ways he used to kill people.

I was offended by the fact that he was alive in prison, to be able to do this documentary. When he should have been dead long ago.

If you can find a way to offend me based on that. You're welcome to try.

Lammer - Funny comments on this thread. Very funny. We all need a little chuckle amongst each other. You can 'say it before and say it again' and call people 'stupid' all you want. Who cares. Don't get your pants in a wad. Is there a law that limits being 'funny' now? Are you the bacon police?

While I don't advocate purposely offending people, since when has it become a crime?
Some people are way too easily offended.
Quit taking yourself so seriously.

LMAO I said the same thing "aww what a waste of bacon"!! My cousin married a muslim who isnt all that crazy about his religion but absolutely refuses to pork and wont allow their kid to eat it either. we were at a family BBQ and I let him know that I dont trust people who dont eat bacon (joking around obviously) but he took it seriously

True. Wasting bacon was the true crime here and should have been the headline. It's a shame the festival goers didn't think that Allah sprinkled it from the heavens for them to enjoy.

Everything is better with bacon! What about all the haten the moooslims do against the western society? oh, that's not very PC with the current admiinistration.

absolutely agree!!! Bacon is my favorite food!!!! Could sit and just eat bacon alone!!! Yum!!! BAcon and eggs, bacon and cheese omelet, BLT, bacon bits on potatoes, in salad and on and on....YUM BACON!!!! What fool wastes beautiful, delicious BACON!!!! Life in prison pleeassseee!!!

JBMW;

And what about all the "haten" done by CHRISTIANITY against everything that just happens to be non-Christian? What's that you say, it's ok for "Christians" to hate but not ok for non-Christians?

Such HYPOCRISY.

Hogwash!

They should have used sausage....of all the meats, sausage is the least likely to cause terrorist threats...followed by hamburger....NYC should throw a BBQ instead of wasting money on investigating this.....bacon cheeseburgers would be nice (minus the bacon for the muslims)

And the "Feeling sorry for himself to the point that he has to unnecessarily inject former President Bush into a story where it wasn't even remotely called for" award goes to you Mr. Hubert! My, what a sad, miserable and pathetic person you must be.

NObama I honestly pity you. Have you ever considerd counseling? Normally that kind of hate is not fueled by the people you blame but comes from inside yourself. May you one day find peace.

Ahhh, the smell of bacon in the morning....smells, like.....VICTORY!

And the "Feeling sorry for himself to the point that he has to unnecessarily inject former President Bush into a story where it wasn't even remotely called for" award goes to you Mr. Hubert! My, what a sad, miserable and pathetic person you must be.

Cappy, You obviously did not understand the sarcasm that was intended. President Bush has been blamed for everything it would be just another thing to blame him for.

Cappy 1911 I think you missed Carl's point. reread it if you still need help let us know we will explain it too you. But either way cappy you're right Carl's post is stupid and has nothing to do with the story.

Sheesh!! GEt over it! It was sarcasm, plain and simple!! Everybody does seem to blame Bush for everything. Yet poor Bush can't be at fault for everything in the world, can he??? HA HA!!! Tiki, what does your post slamming others have to do with the story??? Hmmm...not much more than the post your bitchin' about, does it????

No, I got his point completely. And I still think it is sad and pathetic and a sign that you are feeling sorry for yourself when you start injecting straw men into arguements for the sake of doing it. Get over yourself. If someone had mentioned Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton, I would have responded the same way. Had he been responding to someone bringing up the former President for no reason, I could understand a rebuttal in kind. Carl Hubert, and all other trolls like like him, are pathetic to me.

Guess it's your right to call people trolls, say they are pathetic etc.. etc.. when they are doing exactly what you are. Expressing their own opinions. Hurray for America where we have the 1st amendent. We can eat bacon or not and nobody can condemn us!!!! We can say what we like and we don't have to give a rat's backside what others think about it, including cappy!!!!

Jesse Jackson!

Yep... best post of the morning... I will laugh at that one all day.

biggreenboo - Gotta agree with you. Just imagine the bacon cartels springing up in Canada if that happens.

They'll pry my bacon from my cold, dead hands, but not before I take most of them with me.

Then what will you have for breakfast? Turkey bacon? Vegan bacon? oh the irony of it all.........................

Fake bacon should be OUTLAWED! YUK!!! NO turkey bacon, NO veggie bacon!!!!! Fools shouldn't have wasted the good bacon throwing it all around when the could've used the fake crap!!!! Would it still be a hate crime if it had been turkey or veggie bacon?????

HAHA-kudos to whoever did it. Good for you. It's time the people of this country take our country back. Muslims sure don't respect us, why should we respect them. I had a little run in with 2 of them about a month ago-We were standing in line and 2 muslim women with their children tried to cut in front us and one of them said "we will go now," so I just looked at them and walked right in front of her and I said, no you won't, we have been waiting here longer than you. The both gave us a look of kill on their face. I guess they think we are just supposed to step aside and kiss their ass when they say so. If they want to practice their violent religion, then they need to go do it in their own country, don't come here and disrespect Americans!

Kanic, I could not agree more.

i've had exactally the same thing happen to me several time's by towel heads, never before by anybody else, i'm a very intimadating looking person & i don't give a crap who you are if a towel head .ever doe's that to me again i'm going to put that towel with their head in it where the sun doesn't shine. also the last one that did it to me i just stood by & waited what did she do she pooked her thumb into the foster farm's & stuck her nose right in it. also i told the store manager just what i'm saying here, he said yes he's seen the same thing. oscar meyer & drone's will fix the problem

Enough with the Muslim-bashing.
That "take our country back" line is a load of crap. Back to when exactly?
The 1700's, the 1800's? Unless you are a full-blooded American Indian, your ancestors weren't here yet.

You use an example of one or two rude people and use it to justify hating an entire group of people.
But no amount of reason will change those who are determined to hate.

Stay the hell out of our country, MarkM. If you hate America so much, you are not welcome here.

"A tiny portion of a secret cable released last month by WikiLeaks is just now making its way to the United States. In the Sept. 2009 cable, U.S. Ambassador to Japan John Roos tells the Obama administration that Japan doesn't think it's a good idea for President Obama to visit Hiroshima or to apologize for using an atomic bomb on two Japanese cities during World War II." ~ NPR, October 12, 2011

America was attacked at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7th, 1941. America finished that fight.

America was attacked again on 9/11. Not quite done.

flyin maybe you should read a little more history the pearl harbour incident was a joint venture between our gov't and the Japanese. Just a few yrs ago the correspondence letters leading up to this incident were leaked. I know it may be have to believe but America is not perfect. Don't get me wrong I love my country and would die for it but at least have the decency to know your country.

The Pearl Harbor incident? Really?

Neko... show proof or shut up.

Mark... Japan earned both of those bombs.

Oh I am sorry biggreenboo you are right America is completely infallible. By the way i am not your teacher, all it takes is a little research. I can't help it that I love my country for both its greatness and its faults.

Proof... or shut up.

Dear Neko Samurai,

Please adjust your tin foil hat as there appears to be some signal leakage.

If your tin foil hat proves to be defective or otherwise unserviceable, please, do not despair. I have a full case (certified mind-control signal proof) and would be honored to provide you with a replacement. One cannot be too careful now-a-days as the New World Order has infiltrated the aluminum foil industry and compromised our supply at the source.

Laugh it up voice in your head remain ignorant is you choose makes no difference to me.

MarkM: Did Japan atone for Pearl Harbor before or after we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

where are the snide comebacks from biggreenboo and voice in your head aww was that to much for ya'll to understand.

Dave they are still atoneing for the bombing I have a friend in Nagasaki and cancer rates are still through the roof they paid for it their childern paid and their grandchild are paying for it

Dave they are still atoneing for the bombing I have a friend in Nagasaki and cancer rates are still through the roof they paid for it their childern paid and their grandchild are paying for it

Not our fault they chose to side with dumbass Hitler. If anyone should apologize to the people of Japan, it should be the government of Japan, not the U.S.

Well, according to our friends at the government...

The most recent (cancer) rates (in Hiroshima nd Nagasaki) are intermediate to rates in other countries. Despite a gradual decrease, gastric cancer remained the most common malignancy among males and females throughout the surveillance period, accounting for 24% of all cancers by the late 1980s. The rate of liver cancer has increased dramatically among males during the past 20 years, with a 2-fold increase in incidence in the past 10 years alone. The populations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki now have among the highest rates of liver cancer in the world. Breast cancer incidence in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, in contrast, is among the lowest in the world,

Also...

Given RERF's fearful origins and the study's scale, its findings can seem confounding in their modesty, especially this central result: Out of the atomic survivors tracked by RERF -- nearly 100,000 people -- only 853 cases of cancerous tumors, so far, can be attributed to the bombs.

Neko Samurai

These viners aren't that intelligent. Your argument is just a waste of time.

thepunisher you are right I give up, it like the time I tried to convince this guy that jesus didn't ride a dinosaur

Neko Samurai,

Well, I'll work at confiming some of the 'tripe' you just wrote above... Bottom line is just like Barack, Franklin (if it's true) another Democrat trying to give away or destoy this Great Nation...

Just strolling through here this morning and am wondering how we came from bacon to Japan and cancer.

You baby boomers better get checked for hep C. There was a report out last month that said half of you have it...kinda scary..This is the leading cause of cancer of the liver and its not pretty.

If the people that come to this Country can't stand the heat in the kitchen, they should go back to their Holy land and all that goes with it.. This is the United States of America and we are not re/arranging our furniture for you. We have been a PORK Country since day one and if you silly people would quit gagging at gnats and swallowing camels you would get along a lot better here...You make an issue out of everything you don't like...GO HOME..

Sorry about the tin foil hat crack. That was just me being silly; everyone knows that you have to use a faraday cage to be really safe.

The point is that conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen. You can find books all over the place that take a bunch of unrelated dots from decades ago and connect them in a manner to “prove” some conspiracy. For example, I just happen to have a book that proves Japan developed and detonated its own atomic bomb during WWII.

Have you atoned for Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Because it was clearly you who dropped those bombs

Those bombs stopped Japan from something so horrible it still gives me nightmares. "The Ra pe of Nan King" was only the start of what they planned on doing in the US. Go watch "flowers of war" with Christian Bale or read about it on Wiki go take a good look at the pictures on the right side of the screen on wiki. Also note the date it stopped and the date we dropped the bombs. Also note the death toll in nan king alone and then the toll from the bombs and also consider the toll at Pearl harbor then consider what it would have been in the end if the Bombs were not used. Those bombs saved millions of lives if we could have only struck earlier possibly Nan King and pearl harbor would not have happened. The loss of life in Japan was very sad but at least the main target was the major industrial cities and not the highest populated ones. Civilians were not our target... Japan's plan however was truly evil

Sorry sally but he would not stop till I proved info. won't happen again. Again i apologize

Well, really. Your original assertion was:

“the pearl harbour incident was a joint venture between our gov't and the Japanese”

Did you honestly expect people to believe that the Japanese got together with the US government and made some secret deal where the Japanese get to bomb some of our ships at Pearl Harbor and then the US gets to spend the next four years kicking the crap out of the Japanese military and then the Japanese get to surrender?

That is very hard to take seriously. Usually, the Japanese make better deals than that...

The all american breakfast!

I love bacon, and all things bacon!!! Even some Kevin Bacon movies.

Bacon wrapped chocolate...yummy!

Had this bacon been thrown on a synagogue, the White House would have condemned it.

No Wrong,your mooselimb brother (obami)

would have not even paid attention to it.

Geez, another breath of fresh air.

Im for deporting muslims.Every country they are in has problems.The media dosent like to report the car burnings or the people getting run over by muslims while yelling God is great.Look at Britain and France.

And i dont hate anyone.

Your tax dollars at work, investigating a bacon crime. I can't think of anything more important that that, can you? Muslims are crybabies and whiners. Grow up and get over it, dhimmis and Muslims. Muslims kill us and it's OK, somebody throws bacon on the ground and it's a hate crime. What an inverted world we live in. When are you dhimmi fools going to stand up for yourselves and your country? Muslims don't act like medieval savages, they ARE medieval savages. Islam is poison.

Why don't you go back to where you are from? Idiot

Sam, Long live Oscar Myer center cut bacon. You got a problem with that?

Acts 10:34 - 34 At this Peter opened his mouth and said: "For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, 35 but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him.
You would not like to be set apart from humans , would you ? If you were to make a mistake , would you not want to be corrected instead of ridiculed ? You have a family , as an example , say your son . You would try to admonish him so that he will succeed in this life . We all came from the same set of parents , so how would you like to be treated ?