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Subscribe to RSSAs TODAY's Natalie Morales reports, two women were electrocuted to death by water after rushing to help a driver who had slammed his car into a fire hydrant and utility pole in California. One witness, James Pike, describes the horrific scene.
Two women were electrocuted Wednesday after trying to help the victims of a car accident in Los Angeles, fire department officials said.
The women, who have not been identified, were apparently responding separately to the scene of a crash in Valley Village in the San Fernando Valley region of Los Angeles., where a vehicle slammed into a fire hydrant and a light pole which knocked down a power line around 8:30 p.m.
Rick Mcclure / AP
Los Angeles fire captain Cristian Granucci examines the wreckage of a car as water from a fire hydrant sits gushes out behind it after the crash.
The SUV came to a stop about 10 feet away from the fire hydrant, which burst, shooting water two stories into the air, witnesses said. The gushing water quickly pooled underneath the vehicle where the damaged light pole left electrical wires sticking out of the ground.
Fire department officials said the wires were disguised by the darkness, the running water and the growing number of startled neighbors and passing drivers who came running to help. Unbeknownst to the first people who tried to help the victim of the crash, an adult male, the water was electrified.
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A woman who lived in a nearby home rushed out to the scene and stepped into the electrified water and was electrocuted.
A husband and wife who were driving by also stopped and rushed to help. That woman was also electrocuted. Her husband suffered only minor injuries.
Rick Mcclure / AP
Firefighters and paramedics examine two of the eight victims who were shocked after attempting to aid a car crash victim as water gushes from the fire hyrdant.
“I came running out and I saw the car and I saw the water, and then all of the sudden I saw a lady come out of nowhere,” a witness, Christie Vergini, told Fox LA. “She walked, stepped in the water, fell back on her back with her arms straight out, and then I ran back to the house to get my mom and came back. There was a huge crowd of people. Another lady supposedly was reaching in to help her got shocked too, and they were trying to help her and everybody was like stand back, don’t touch the water."
“Everybody panicking because they couldn’t help the woman on the ground because of the live wire,” another witness, Liz Casmier told Fox LA.” I mean, it was obvious she needed aid, but nobody could do anything because of the live wire in the water. It was horrifying.”
Five others, ranging in ages from 19 to 57, followed and were electrically shocked, fire department officials said.
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“I run outside, and across the street I see two women laying on the sidewalk,” a witness, James Pike, told NBCLosAngeles.com. “I see two or three young gentlemen keep trying to rescue them and pull them to safety and each time they would try to pull them there were getting shocked.”
When Los Angeles firefighters arrived to the scene, they used rubber gloves and a long pole to pull the two women, who lay motionless on the ground, from the water. Seven of the eight victims were taken to an area hospital, where the two women were pronounced dead. One of the victims who suffered minor injuries declined to be taken to the hospital.
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An aerial view of the accident in Los Angeles which killed two people.
In total, 55 additional firefighters were dispatched to the scene, who secured the area and treated victims.
The Department of Water and Power shut off the water supply to the fire hydrant and electricity to the power lines. Investigators from the LAPD Valley Traffic Division said excessive speed was likely a factor of the car accident. Alcohol was not believe to be involved.
“This tragic accident, in some ways can serve as a warning,” Los Angeles Fire Department Spokesman Erik Scott said. “Many people, with nothing but the best intentions, were injured and killed while trying to save others. This reminds all who want to help at the scene of an emergency to stay aware of their surroundings, and if there is any question as to safety, please wait for trained rescuers to arrive.”
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Is that a Chevy Volt..?
I smell a TROLL.
alost
Were you driving it?
No, I was in the SUV texting DUH..
Kinda supports the old adage, "No good deed goes unpunished"!
What a shame man.
All too many people cannot function when they're panicking which is the worst thing you can do during an emergency. They gave their lives trying to save another. R.I.P. ladies.
seriously...doesn't anyone have a pair of friggin' dish washing gloves?
Donot use dish gloves. I worked for a electrical contracter and they are NOT insulated enough for high voltage. We had thick rubber gloves called hot gloves that were tested and rated for high voltage.
Where was Lindsay Lohan and Mel Gibson when this happened ?
Ex-Tulsan has the right of it. Dish washing gloves wouldn't have helped. Rubber soled shoes wouldn't have helped. While the gloves may be good for a few hundred volts, those lines most likely carried thousands of volts and would have passed through the gloves like they weren't there.
@Ex-Tulsan is correct, dishwashing gloves will not protect you even from standard household power let alone higher voltages. Also, the person suggesting using a wooden board is incorrect as well. Unless the wood is specially kiln dried and kept in a dry place to prevent absorbing moisture you can still get shocked. Most every day lumber like a standard 2x4 can conduct electricity due to moisture in the wood. The wood poles that you will see rescue personnel using in these situations are specially kiln dried wood to make it safe to use around electricity. Even at that, they still use heavy rubber insulating gloves with the wood poles. Rope can be safe if it is dry, but with all the water around from the fire hydrant spraying water into the air would make this dangerous as well. When it comes to dealing with electricity it is best to leave it to the professionals. I m an ex-EMT myself so I know what I am talking about when it comes to dealing with these situation. We would never try to jury rig something with whatever was handy, we would wait for the rescue squad to arrive with the proper equipment or for the power company to tun off the circuit.
I can not believe that people did not recognize that the downed light pole and water together meant a danger of getting shocked. I hope a lot of people read this article so that they will think twice if they are ever in a similar situation.
This is definitely a sad and shocking story!!!!
Lesson #1 in professional EMS : is the scene safe?
In addition to urging people to learn CPR, perhaps some public service announcements about the dangers of car crashes and power poles are in order.
Absolutely right. In a confined space accident the victims are usually the person who went in without testing the atmosphere, and the first person to go in and save them.
like anyone carries around rubber gloves in theie glovebox. get a clue people. these ladies shoud be honored fgor trien to help these pepole who caused the accident. if they had been driving the speedlimit none of this would have ever have happened. the idiots that was driving fast killed these ladies they should be ashamed.
And nobody run home to get rubber boots and a rake once they saw the water was electrified? Think people... think...
So easy for people reading this story from the comfort of their keyboard to give knowledgable advice and how such a situation should have been handled.
If any one of us had been faced with this awful situation at the drop of a hat, who knows how we may have reacted? For many individuals who cannot stand to see somebody suffering and possibly facing death so suddenly, when every second counts, the urgency of acting on impulse with disregard for one's own well-being can override self preservation, in the hopes of saving another life. I will not judge what these good samaritans did. Condolences to their families.
The discussion about gloves is moot. The women were electrocuted when they stepped into the puddle of water.
It is much easier to give knowledgeable advice when you have received the proper training, whether you are sitting at a keyboard or not.
InB4 they close this thread down.
On Cutters we had what was called dead mans sticks . I am sure the Navy has them too. Still as the name implies there usually dead anyways. You can not save everyone every time unfortunately .
According to the article the large amount of water was covering the light pole/wires under the car. It was dark so these sweet ladies probably just saw a car and a fire hydrant with lots of water.
My heart goes out to both families.
Comment # 1 restored for clarity.
"A bullet may actually be used to cut the electric wire..."
I like that - never thought of it.
Horrible.
What happened to the guy in the car?
Typical news report, sensationalize the deaths and ignore the rest.
The driver was safe in the car from the electricity due to rubber tires. The driver is fine, from what I heard on the radio news this morning.
Texting kills again.
Texting probably was the cause of the accident. Electrocution is the cause of death.
Because we never had car accidents before people started sending texts...
MrBurns
Well, one has to admit, people were less distracted before cell phones.
Operating under the influence killed an average of 18,000 people a year in the last 10 years and texting maybe around a hundred. Drunks are more dangerous hands down.
OMG! what a tragedy.
True, the first death was probably unavoidable, but if the bystanders had taken a basic science class they wouldn't have gotten shocked. A wooden broom handle is good lifeline and a lousy conductor.
Most brooms sold in stores are not wooden. But yeah they could have used a tree branch, clothing, a jacket, bed sheets, etc. They could have formed a long chain out of the cloth and drug her out or lassoed her out.
Tom,
Wouldn't the clothing or bedsheets get wet and therefore be of no use?
At the voltages possible in these lines, I wouldn't count on a tree branch to protect you. Especially if it has any green wood left in it. I wouldn't count on a wooden broom stick to protect you either. Who knows what the varnish will conduct or not.
Just as a minor point of reference, about 4 years ago, we were working at a power plant. We ran a new cable that was going to be connected to an existing 66 thousand volt line. (Much higher voltage than would be here on these lines.) Before we were allowed to make the connection we were required to test the new line we had run. We hired a professional testing company to make the test since we didn't have anything that would go that high. The tester was concerned that the end of cable was drooped too close to the pole and so he went up with a nylon rope and tied the end of the cable up. He secured it with about 20 feet of rope to another pole. When he started the test, the voltage he generated passed through the 20 feet of rope like it was wire. It vaporized the rope instantly and left a rather impressive strike mark on the pole he secured the rope to. It was a spectacular and valuable lesson learned and luckily no one was injured.
RE: Laura,
As long as the part your HOLDING isn't wet, you're fine. Go back to school.
Thanks Tom. I don't think I'll go back to school but thanks anyway.
I still don't think I would trust anything made of fabric when a fire hydrant is spewing away.
I live in a rural enough area that the electrical wires are on poles. When I opened the story I was anticipating reading that there were live wires whipping around. With the wires underwire it makes much more sense that the women wouldn't have realized the danger.
My heart and prayers goes out to the family of those two heroic women who put the lives other others ahead of their own.
May their sacrifice not be in vain.
It is NOT a Chevy Volt.
Wow, that's really terrible. Heroes getting killed is not cool.
Not to bring in religion (sorry in advance), but I'm curious how religious people view that one. There's a nice god for you.
Ignorance is bliss...
This is why people misconstrue "Religion" from BELIEF in GOD. God does not sit at a big computer in heaven looking in on Daily events and says, "Perhaps today is a good day to @!$%# with LA, let's have a wreck and get some extra people killed!"
We have been given a life with free will to do and think as we like and each choice has consequences - good, bad, indifferent. Sometimes, as in this accident, @!$%# Happens. Your belief in GOD or "Higher Power" helps you through these @!$%# Storms and if killed or injured, helps you through your difficulties. It is all in our minds, souls, and belief systems which tie together to make our existence and realities.
You see, when non believers make fun of GOD or people that believe, they are only hurting themselves through their negative energy. GOD is neutral and has "thick skin" so to speak and this type of NEGATIVISM only breeds contempt and hatred which produces its own consequences. The Grace GOD gives is so large it sees through this hatred and is continually extended for whenever we finally choose to grab it - or not.
"God does not sit at a computer in heaven looking in on daily news"
What the hell else is he doing then? Doesn't he see and know everything? Doesn't he have the ability to stop these kinds of things? Isn't he all powerful? He knew this would happen but allowed it anyhow? He put us here on this planet to do what? your comments are lame. It's not non believers that breed contempt and hatred. That is created when one person has a belief that he/she thinks is the only correct belief and that everyone else is wrong in their beliefs. I'm right and you're wrong. I'm going to a great place and you are not. you need to stop believing in what you believe in and start believing in what I believe in. These are the kinds of ideas that breed contempt and hatred.
Also...god has "thick skin"? Bull sh!t. WAH WAH WAH...they don't believe in me...I'm sending them to hell. Thick skin my arse.
Life is full of "not cool" moments.
And for all you wondering why 'God didn't so something'....why would he, when people don't want him. Don't expect help when all you can do is doubt and hate.
It's just really disgusting when people state "what God wants' or "why God let this or that happen". Really, since you all are such "gifted" humans, you all should run for Archangel - such self-righteousness.
What does there being a God have to do with this? People die in accidents everyday. People have died in accidents since the beginning of time. People will die in accidents till the end of time. That is part of life. Why does it bother you so much if people believe in God? It doesn't bother me that you don't.
Who ever said here anything about not believing in God? Stop making assumptions and then acting like they are facts.
Hey randy. Everyone has free will. If not we would be mindless robots You have choices to make everyday. You can make the wrong choice or the right one. those two ladies decided to help, unfortunately they did not see the wire in the water. So the question would be did God cause that. No we have free will. the driver caused it by driving too fast and as is noted in some of the responses possibly texting. So if the driver had been driving the speed limit and not texting if he or she was, then there would have been no accident.
It is sad about those ladies. So infrequent that people help anymore. Just want to make jokes of everything. Chevy volt. But its freedom of speech. So be it.
If people go to Heaven, what is so bad about death?
Jeez Randy who peed on your corn flakes this morning? You take a sad and tragic story and use it as an opportunity to take a jab. Does this make your day a better one?
Anon1995
I believe HUMAN made a comment about not believing in God, which is fine with me. It doesn't bother me one bit.
MrBurns
Not everybody is going to Heaven.
Human: we all have our free agency. Our freedom to choose what we do. Why would God stop something that we bring upon ourselves? It is a quite a tragedy for everyone involved and their families but we choose what we do and there comes natural consequences for our actions. I send my condolences to the families who lost their loved ones in this horrible accident.
Randy,
You say "not to bring in religion," yet you do!
If God is omnipotent, and omnipresent, how can there be "free will"?
If he knows all. then he knows what's going to happen. Sorry, but get really tired of hearing that cliche free will.
These two caring and brave women and their families are in my thoughts. If there is any reward in the afterlife, they obviously deserve some consideration.
Signed, an agnostic.
I seem to remember a few passages in the Bible where God "hardened their hearts" so he could use some people as a punishment against the Israelites. Doesn't sound like free will to me. Or maybe they were just doomed anyway since they weren't Israelites.
Jackup
Simply stating that while we see death as a huge and scary thing, if there is an omnipotent God, death is little more than a hiccup in our timeline.
Jaydub,
If you are an agnostic, what difference do you believe it would make that you have someone in your thoughts?
Jaydub
There is freewill because God allows freewill. What is so hard to understand about that. Rather if these two ladies are rewarded in the afterlife, depends on if they were serving God at the time of their death. Good works do not take you to Heaven. Believing in God does not take you to Heaven.
MrBurns
One who serves God does not see death as a scary thing.
Pretty sure that's what Jesus was all about. The only way to Heaven is by believing in him. You can be scum, but you'll still go to Heaven if you accept Christ's grace.
@Jaydub-4023119 @Human-
These are common misconceptions and I am sorrry noone cleared them up for you in life. Hear of the story of Noahs Ark? This is when God was in control and wound you up as he wished and flooded the world and started form scratch every time people disobeyed. Noah convinced God to give people FREE WILL, and a rainbow was created as a convenent or contact. So, since we were left to our own doing since we didnt want to live in fear of being drowned out every time we disobeyed God, we are now hear bickering WHY didnt God intervene. Its a double edged sword, you cant have it both ways. He either intervenes and has it his way, or you push him off and have it your way for your lifetime and get judged for it.
AG99
There's a difference in believing in God and serving God. Satan believes in God but he doesn't serve God. I believe in satan, does that mean I am going to hell. Don't think so. But if I serve satan, then I will go to hell.
@ Laura - I don't think my thinking of these poor women and keeping them in my thoughts will make a difference one iota. Why do I have to think it will make a difference, can't I just think about what they did and feel sorry for they and their family they left behind?
@ Jak - "There is freewill because God allows freewill". Well, thanks for clearing that up for me. What exactly does that mean? My point is that if God allows freewill, then he can't be omnipotent. If someone has a choice to make and he allows them to make that choice, he doesn't know what the outcome will be. If he does, then it seems absolutely pointless to me. Why give a person freewill, if you know what choice is coming. Seems superfluous to me. Did they try to do what they did in God's name? I don't know, did they? How would that work? I believe that if I live a life that's just and honest, and I do what I can to help others, if God denies me because I didn't do things in his name, sorry. Then I don't want a part of that heaven because that's terribly short-sided. If I can't help someone who needs help out of my own heart, and need God to be the driving force for that help, I don't see the point of being human. I don't need any other motivation to help someone other than the fact it's the right thing to do. Same goes for any animal as well. I can be kind w/o having any other underlying cause other than it's what should be done. In fact, I see that if one needs God for their motivation, they're not doing it for the sake of helping, they're doing it because God wants them to. What's admirable about that? I DO agree w/ you that just because someone believes in God, doesn't make them automatic candidates for heaven, however, good deeds should be something God recognizes regardless. I know there are many who go to church every Sunday, but don't have a clue what it is to be human.
@ You Dummy - First, thanks for first attempting to belittle w/ your comment "I am sorry no one cleared them up for you in life"....and then proceeding to tell me about Noah's Ark. Never heard that story: sarcasm off: Typical Christian zealot thinking. I didn't say all Christians are zealots, but the ones that preach to me about what THEY think, don't care about what I think. Very Christian...My view on life and God are pretty simple. If I lead a life that's just, care about others, help others and know what's right from wrong and act accordingly, then if God doesn't want me because I didn't do things in his name, that's the way it is. If he doesn't let me into heaven because everything I did was right (not saying it was) but I didn't accept him, so be it. He created me, a critical thinking man, and because I question something I have no proof of, that's wrong? If someone believes in God on faith alone, good for them. As long as they're happy and understand why they're happy, I'm all for that. But don't tell me how YOU think I should live, and how God will see me when this life is done. You DON'T speak for God, and you don't have any right pretending to. If there's one thing in the bible I agree w/ (and there are more) it's do unto others...I dion't ask God to intervene, and then wonder why he didn't. I don't condemn for lack of response. It's human nature to call for help when you think it's needed. To respond and offer that help should be human as well.
If God is there, and he created me, then he knows what's going to happen. Freewill or not.
What happened to the passenger or passengers of the car... I'm assuming they were OK?
I would have thought street lights were protected by a breaker or GFI. Any electricians know?
Exactly. We're required to have all exterior circuits and all electrical wiring near a plumbing fixture protected in our homes but apparently cities don't have to live by the same rules. A GFCI breaker on the lights circuit would've saved these women's lives. How many times have you seen the cover plates on these lights off and the wiring exposed?
The wires were severed at ground level. Read the article.
......seen it in Ensenada Mexico, when I docked from the Carnival Cruise. Cover plate off bottom of light pole, and wires exposed
A power line does have it's own kind of protection but it's a completely different animal from anything you would find in your house.
Regardless of the chances of death, as a retired firefighter, I would still rush in. HOWEVER, I would be smart enough to take in all the available information at the scene. But then, I carry items to prevent an electrocution from happening.
Sad though that two died in the attempt.
I doubt you or anyone else would have seen the wires.
Maybe not seen them, but I would have known they were there. That is one of the FIRST things firefighters are taught, check your surroundings. Knowing there was water and possible damaged lines is indicative of a possible threat. The first thing the FD did on scene was to establish threat levels, THEN act. A rescuer cannot rescue if he or she is down as evidenced by the article.
@journal....
I was also a firefighter and EMT... Been to hundreds and hundreds of accidents. You man not see the wires, but you can see a pole on the ground that was sheard off.. hence the chance of stray electricity. This is what Keastral is talking about.
I remember I drove up on an accident before EMS was there.. A car smacked into a pole and people were there trying to get the person out of the car... NO ONE bothered to look up to see that the transformer was just about to fall... I told everyone to back off and the person in the car to STAY in the car. EMS showed up and power was cut 15 minutes later...
This is like so many people who succumb to large gas leaks at accident sites or oxygen depleting gas in manure pits at farms etc.
Attempting to help them will only get yourself killed too...use your head and assess the hazards first, neutralize the hazards and THEN help the victims without becoming a victim yourself.
Randy - The fact that you brought it up shows your intentions of trying to argue with someone who puts their beliefs in God. I have a feeling that it won't matter if someone tries to explain it, you'll simply want to argue.
Fleeced Citizen - Where in the article did it say the person was texting? I saw where the police said speed was likely a factor, unless I simply didn't read it right.
Keastral you are full of it. Like the story said, nobody SAW the wires.
Full of it? I think not. What part of training do you not get? Call ANY fire department and ask them if they assess possible threat levels before rushing in, and I stress assess possible threat levels, then you will see if I am "full of it." One does not have to "see" a threat to acknowledge it's possible existence.
Randy... Firefighters and EMS are trained in this sutuation... You may not see the wires, but you can see the lightpole on the ground. Rule one is first suryey the area and keep people back.
Even as a nurse, you are trained to check the surroundings. That is the first thing they teach you in a CPR class too, make sure you are not in danger yourself, then proceed. But sadly, a nurse, ex FF, doctor, or very lucky person was not on the scene first. Two average people who probably didn't know the rules. And for those of you who don't believe in a higher power, would you say that if somehow they survived? Will you still say that when you child is dying and for some reason, just when you are ready to say goodbye, they come back and live a perfectly full healthy life? It's ok to believe, it's ok not to believe, whatever keeps someone sane is up to them. I prefer prayer. Just in case I'm right! ;)
I'm a certified first responder and the FIRST thing they tell you is to assess the area for potential threats. So Ryan, you're wrong.
Ah. But, how far away were these people? See, the water kept spewing and spreading, causing a moving threat. They said that the pressure of the water being released was 2 stories tall. That could cause one BIG AND EXPANDING puddle FAST.
Anyhoodle. Message heard. Everyone should sit back and let the trained professionals show up and tell you that they are trained professionals. Or even read about it the next day and let the trained professionals that were not there tell you about how they're trained professionals...
As a former EMT, you are trained to look for the unexpected. Anytime we were responding an accident, knowing a power pole was involved, out came the powerful flashlights. We always had a good look to see where the power lines went. If I didn't know, we didn't leave the ambulance until the power company cut the power. We did not want to be the "blue canaries".
WOW-the good people always pay steep prices for selfless acts of kindness??? very sad my heart and my prayers go out to the families of those too women (they paid the ultamate price) What a world we live in?? May their souls find rest in spiritual bliss
Blue
I applaud their intentions, but not their technique. Being a good Samaritan doesn't mean you have to run in to a situation blindly. If a power pole is down you should assume there's a live wire.
It's easy to be a couch coach and "assume" you would have done better....when you get in that sitch, adrenaline takes over and you just need to help. It isn't always a thought process first. Maybe the whole reason this happened is to teach someone reading it for the next time, so it isn't their time!
I wonder if there will be criminal manslaughter charges brought up against the driver. If in fact the accident was a result of him speeding and loosing control then the death of these two women can be considered his fault.
No they cant. They chose to run in to help him, that takes the blame away from him. If he caused the lines to fall near two people just walking, that would be one thing. Its their actions that caused their death, noble as they were.
Unfortunately MrBurns, I wouldn't count on it. People win lawsuits everyday that don't make any sense.
Sadly, I will admit you're right Laura. When robbers can sue victims for getting hurt, anything is possible.
Ryan, two others have now chimed in. I assume you believe they are "full of it" as well? Firefighters and EMTs do not do their job for money, but we are also not fools as both Back East and Roger have pointed out. Though I do have to say, I miss the rush...
Anyway, point, set, match.
How horrible...
isn't power line suppose to turn off when damage?
Sadly, no. It has to be turned off either remotely or at a junction just up the line, depending on where it is on the grid, if memory serves. I WISH it automatically turned off....that would save a lot of lives.
Nope, power lines are hot until disconnected by a lineman or if a remote disconnect is installed of course. There are no fuses, just balls to the walls amperage, it gives what you ask of it. If the current is too much the wire carrying the current will open due to heat or arcing on metal. This is why lines are kept away from people's contact. The amperage in the line cooks you internally in a flash if you make contact with it.
As a civilian with a kind heart, I would have never thought of the danger to myself but would have dove right in. When there is something tragic going on, maybe if you had training, you would think 1st of the danger to yourself, I think the everyday Joe would just rush in. I doubt there are many who could stand by and watch someone in trouble and do nothing. Bless everyone involved for what they did.
If you ever approach a situation where there may be electrified water (accident, flooding, etc.), and are unsure if the water is safe. You can test it by very lightly placing the back of your hand to the surface of the water. If it is electrified, the muscles in your hand and arm will contract and pull your hand away from the water. If you use the front of your hand, your hand will be pulled into the water, thus electrocuting you.
My stepfather was an electrician, recently retired, and said the same thing. He also said that many electricians will work backwards, in that they try to make it so if they do get shocked, their hand will close away from the source.
And if the voltage is in the thousand plus volt range your dead which ever way your hand goes. If you suspect water is energized stay away from it, let the professionals handle it.
.....another awhole, speeding, weaving in n out of traffic, not going with the flow. Unless your wifes pregnant, there's............no need to speed
Even if your wife is pregnant. I assume you mean that the wife is ready to deliver. Even if there is no accident, one might get pulled over and delayed by the cops.
Just drive the speed limit! I always find it funny when someone is in such a hurry weaving through traffic, passing everyone and then we end up side by side at a red light.
They have the same mentality as my dachshund. Have to be in front. It's ridiculous and they look like fools but they keep doing it.
The imbecile whose speeding caused this accident is responsible for the deaths of those two selfless women.
No he's not...
Has anyone considered a possible malfunction of the steering controls? As I was making a turn the tie rod ball joint broke. Lucky for me my speed was low enough that I could control the car and get it to the curb of the street. Had I been on the highway , What could have happened? Oh yes the car was only 1.5 years old. We are all ready to blame the driver and never the auto. God bless two ladys that died and help heal those that were injured.
.....Reverend, it looks like a SIDE street & STOP sign, intersection. Should people being going that fast, coming up to a STOP? Steering ball joints or not, the car shoulda been down to at least 15 mph, before the STOP sign. Now running into, and bringing that power pole down, warrants a significant speed
Leave it to MSN to bury the lead.
"This happened, then this happened, then someone said this, then the sky looked like this. Oh, by the way, two people died."
The only "lesson" to be learned from this is to only look out for yourself. Two people died trying to help these POS thugs who were speeding and doing God knows what else. I will never offer assistance to anyone. If they don't try to rob you, they will try to stab you, or anything else to disrespect and take advantage of you. If I were in their situation, I know they would not offer the least bit of help. Screw everyone.
Ah...the comment of a complete moron. It doesn't get much lower than Peter does it?
WOW!! Peter you are quiet a character. May they rest in Peace.
Peter--May you suffer in solitude.
and ignorance....