Crap - ever hear of the Stockholm syndrome? Besides which he had her child to hold as hostage as insurance.

Floretta, ever hear of fifteen year old girls passing themselves off as 18? Like it or not, it has happened. Sometimes it is best to reserve judgement until all of the facts are in. As I previously stated, I was an intelligent 15 year old when my husband and I met. I am in my fifties now, and still say I made the correct decision.

First point no one knows what the girl looks like or knows who she is and has no clue the circumstances of her disappearance. Based on her statements the police did their job and her child was found safe. There could be more to this story but for now we don't have those facts and for those who want to bring politics into this that have nothing to do with this girl or her child or the possible crime involved, it's pathetic and childish.

Floretta. She didn't have a child the entire time. I'd look it over very very closely. People lie for many reasons. Maybe she's telling the truth. Maybe she isn't. It's about time people stopped convicting others on a news story. Remember the Duke Lacrosse team to name just one instance?????

Though if someone is kept hostage and has a baby as a result of being repeatedly assaulted, they may or may not actually have an attachment to that baby. Who knows what was really going on in this situation-we certainly may never find out beyond what is reported in this story.

I smell fish for sure. How was is that she was missing for 2 years but yet the kid was 2. You have be to pregnant for at least 40 weeks, no? (9months) This is bull. BTW Why can't people stay on the subject at hand, has nothing to do with politics or tea-baggers.

I'm looking at what Seewhat I mean says and am thinking that same way. Missing 2 years, child is 2 years old......odd, but will wait to see what is brought to light on this story. Just happy that if there was torture etc. that the child is all right.

You guys realize that it said, "held captive for MORE THEN 2 years..."

ProudWestVirginian... Its nice to hear some reality amid the noise. The 18 year age of consent appears to be more a legal concept than reality. Genealogy records show that my great-great grandmother had her first child at the age of 15 in Germany during the first part of the 1800's. That is not long after Mozart wrote the Magic Flute opera, where part of the story line involves Papageno meeting Papagena and she tells him that her age is 18 years and 2 minutes. Closer to home, a niece married at 15 to a man in his twenties and had a family. So right in my family tree are two instances that could be considered statutory rape but somehow escaped the black and white consequences of such a union. In this story, though the details are sketchy, it appears that the woman was emotionality tied to the household by her daughter, and it wasn't until she ran into relatives that she could break free. Seeing as how everybody is speculating, let me also pile on. The girl in question runs away from home to this older man and his mother. She gets pregnant and they cover up the situation by falsifying birth records, which was the case with my great-great grandma. The "marriage" falls apart but she can't break away because the earlier misdeeds will make the father of her child a statutory rapist. It is only when she runs into her relatives that the whole tangled affair breaks down. Now she and her daughter will have to fight the child welfare department and the father and the child's grandmother will be thrown in jail with a lynch mob looking to hang him. Maybe she was snatched of the street like Dugard but I think it more complicated than that. I'm afraid this tragedy is far from over.

Did anyone else notice that is one big two yr. old he's carrying there.

Maybe she was dating him and got pregnant by him and she knew her family would not approve and when the guy and his mom told her she can live with them, she went with it. In order for her family and missing persons not to find her she changed her name at the hospital, as it may have popped up that she is reportedly missing. It was all peaches and cream for a while, but down the road he started treating her like property, and not a person, and did as he pleased with her by raping and abusing her. Now with a baby, she felt like she could not leave because she was scared for her life or baby's life, which is a very common scenario for people who are being sexually, physically and emotionally abused. I don't know, I wasn't there, I'm just speculating, which is one reason for a blog. People giving their opinions on a topic. I am not the judge or jury and the full story is not out. Either way, we can deduce that they can charge him with sexual assault of a child as she was 15 when she had the baby. So sad if her story is totally true, no one should have to endure sexual, physical and emotional torture by anyone.

Either way this story ends up, that child will be safe. There should be many clues as to what happened..scratches on walls and doors for signs of struggles, medical problems, torn tissue, and lie detectors for all parties, and the two year old can suggest if mom was hurt at any time. Sometimes neighbors are bad people, too...and sometimes little girls dont like their controlling boyfriend anymore and plot something like this. But what I believe is important, this girl wanted to get away, and she got the right people involved to do it, someone will be seeing mental health professionals, may it be mom, 24yo dude, or his weird mom....but mostly the baby will get help

Maybe you folks are a bunch of morons trying to play detective! Look, it says she made several attempts to escape, but was forced back into the home at gunpoint. Maybe you could be a bit more sympathetic instead of just plain old pathetic.

For those math geniuses... she would have had to been kidnapped 2 years and 10 months, and impregnanted in the first week, in order to have a 2 yr old child.

New reporters, always wishing to be accurate (more like sensational) would have pushed more more "nearly 3 years", beause that would be the more attractive wording.

Also, you can't use the "baby as hostage", because she admits to attempting to escape several times, as well as this time. Though not mention about prior attempts, she did take off this time, without the child.

People need to reserve judgment and their personal feelings (many steming from legitimate reasons). If she is honest, then fry him.

But if you place all the trust in her honesty, and it turns out she is lying, then it will put more credibility on the accused and less on the accusors for future reportings.

There sure isn't enough Info. in this story to make any kind of sense of it yet. On its face she was kidnapped. Maybe she was a run a way. That don't give someone the right to take her in and then not let her leave. For sure she wasn't old enough to give consent and she did have a baby, that in and of itself enough to put these two in jail.

If she was reported as missing in April of 2010, she's been missing for 28 months. If the child is 2 he/she is 24 months old. That means she was at least 4 months pregnant when she disappeared.

Something isn't right here. Perhaps she willingly ran off to be with this guy who then turned into a monster and beat,raped, held her hostage, etc.

Or maybe she was fine being with him for a time, but then wanted to end it and then that's when he became abusive?

Or maybe she saw the Jaycee Duggard case and is making it all up because she realized running away was a mistake and is ashamed to face her parents? Or figures she can cash in on such a story? Or wants to get back at them for some reason?

I don't know, I'm curious to see all the facts though as they come to light. Very strange case though. A simple blood test would show if the guy is the baby's father. If she was 15 and he was 22 at the time, that's still wrong. Age of consent in MO is 17 so that's still statutory rape at best.

msc1960 : please re-read the article, you are making a fool of yourself.

Take all the cheap shots you want at Akin for his comment or Republicans in general,..but this crime has 'obama supporter' written all over it.

The girl was only 15, and there are people here actually questioning her story?!! Incredible lack morality.

I for one believe her and wish her and her child a complete recovery from their ordeal. And bravo to her unnamed relatives for assisting her escape. Also bravo for law enforcement for taking her story seriously and forcing their way in and arresting the suspect and his mother. Good job everyone.

It was April of 2009 that she went missing. Therefore she was NOT pregnant when she went missing and I'm sorry, whether she missed opportunities to tell people or not, 15 is still below the age of consent and that is still statutory rape. And, as in many documented cases, the victims do not tell for a variety of reasons. Could have been threats against her, her family, her baby. You weren't there, you don't know. Bottom line is, whether his mother is guilty is still to be seen, he had sex with a 15 year old. No matter what else he is found guilty of, that is obvious. Did she pass herself off as older? Who knows but he obviously knew something was up if they used a fake name when she had the baby. Let's let the courts decide this one folks. Not make too many judgements based on an incomplete article written to fill empty newspace. Oh, and for the person that said the kid was big for a 2 year old, I have a family member who is 5'10" & her husband is 6'5" and their 8 year old is almost 5 feet tall. Without seeing the parents you need to realize that a child's height can be deceiving.

Am I missing something? Where does it say in the story that relatives found her and helped her to escape?

"She told police as she tried to escape a suspect tried to pull her back into the home, but her relatives were at the scene and helped her escape and contact police. "

chefaz, that is what I was thinking. I believe something definitely wrong was going on here but I also wondered about the "relatives" that showed up to help her escape. How did that happen? Where did they come from and how did they know all of a sudden where she was? Very confusing story which is obviously lacking in information. I would like to hear the rest of the story.

Need more info.

Thanks, Arizona Tumbleweed!!! ☺

It's over six hours now and no update yet. Guess that terrible NY shooting is keeping everyone busy.

Read the article. Most questions are already answered!!!

I am suspecting that her story is bull. Time will tell. A witness told police that they would see her hanging out outside the home as if everything was fine while the child was inside the house with the "alleged abuser". Why would anyone leave their child with an abuser.Something just isn't seating right with this story. And I know people will say that she couldn't just leave her baby behind...but isn't that what she ended up doing. And another thing. How did her family know where to find her? I don't know her story is too fishy.

Take all the cheap shots you want at Akin for his comment or Republicans in general,..but this crime has 'obama supporter' written all over it.

The girl was only 15, and there are people here actually questioning her story?!! An incredible lack of empathy and morality. So what's the real angle in attacking the girl's story and credibility so early?

you forgot another point. she wa missing just a little over 2 years,baby is 2 years old. why didn't relatives contact police. the gir is covering her ass. she shouldn't have been there in first place.

Not to mention that the story says she was held captive for over two years but her kid was 2 at the time of rescue and she claims the child was conceived as a result of the rape.... which means she either had an impossibly short pregnancy, she was actually held captive for 3 years, or she was already pregnant when she disappeared. And claiming she was not even allowed outside the house yet the neighbor saw her outside all the time. I'm not saying bad things weren't happening to her but obviously she isn't being completely honest about things. I don't understand how at a hospital they could have forced her to give a false name, she was in one fo the safest environments she could have been in to reveal the truth about these people, its not like they could hold a gun to her head in the hospital. Maybe she was a scared, pregnant young teenager who ran away, and then started to have regrets about the situation and created a story that took all the blame off her. That's very sad but understandable that a scared young girl might do that.... if her story really is true though, something very fishy is going on.

Would it not be prudent and moral to maybe err on the side of the victim? Liberals will throw anyone under the bus for the sake of agenda, even a 15 year old kidnap and rape victim. Hellish.

Thank you, Arizona.

I just re-read the story...seems they updated/corrected it...at first it said she was held for two years, now it says 3...hard to keep track of the changes.

And I really do think people ought not to judge this girl - she was only 15 when the whole thing started, whether voluntarily or not, she was only 15, and he was 21 or 22 at the start of it. He is guilty as sin, no matter if the rape is "legitimate" or not, Republicans.

Burt Z. - step away from the keyboard. You are making absolutely no sense. You are the reason people think Republicans are crazy.

It sounds to me like this was a preliminary report and there may be some inaccuracies, I'm sure once everything is sorted a report filling in the missing pieces will be filed.

LOL - yes Burt Z - stop while you're behind!

2564 & IndigoKid: I know that you're not the brightest of bulbs, but did you even bother to read what I wrote? Problems with context and comprehension perhaps? Silly hypocritical libs.

Can you say "run-away teen"..................................Now altogether, "Run-Away Teen"................

Obviously the details haven't been completely released and probably won't be until everything is known. I grew up in the St. Louis area, its a very impoverished little town.

I think saying that Burt about all Libs is like saying all conservatives trivialize rape...and I know that isn't the case so you too are being hypocritical.

She was assumed to be run away and was found to have been kidnapped, thepunisher what is your problem. Stop putting the victim on trial jerk.

Jan-21270

Yes, cause everyone is a victim of something or another. I can't even roll my eyes far enough back.

thepunisher: Can you say "Liberal Apologists for a child molester"? Libs can't sink any lower morally or ethically. Don't even have enough sense to be ashamed.

Burt Z.

You think, I'm a lib? Wow, you must be a genius then I guess.

thepunisher-2054749: Anyone that condones, or otherwise tries to 'explain away' any kind of sexual relationship between a 15 year old girl and an adult male,.. yeah I'd call that person a liberal. Maybe you need to re-examine your beliefs, or maybe you just made a mistake, makes no difference to me - you came down on the wrong side of this one.

I don't care how that 15 year old girl got there initially, that adult man broke the law and took advantage of a child,..no other way to put it, and his adult momma helped him do it. Damn disgrace.

Don't feed the trolls.

Until you've been beaten and abused and constantly threatened by your attacker, you will never know how hard it is to get help. I lived in an abusive household where my father told me he would kill me if I ever reported the abuse. I watched my sister get dragged home by her hair when she ran away. I never went for help because my dad was so unhinged I BELIEVED he would kill me.

I tried to report the abuse once when I was 9, quietly, and the DHS ignored so I was too afraid to ever try again.

I'm really amazed at how many on this board are quick to blame the victim. Clearly we don't have all of the facts, but the lack of empathy for this girl is mind boggling. Just because she ran away from home at 15, doesn't mean she's a dirty slut who deserved to be held against her will, raped, and beaten.

Unfortunately, we now live in a society where many young men on this board have been exposed to way too much hardcore/rough/humiliating porn. So much so that they think it's perfectly natural to respond this way. In their minds, women are not to be respected, but used and discarded.

Perhaps when the young girl first stayed with the young man and his mother it was consensual, but then she wanted to leave, but they wouldn't allow it. When someone holds you at gunpoint, it's non-consensual.

As for her not telling the doctors and nurses about her predicament, she's a young 15 year old girl with limited life experience and she clearly has emotional problems. Think of yourselves when you were 15. She was probably afraid and didn't know if the nurses or doctors would believe her. Who knows what she was thinking?

But that's not the issue here. Also, people should stop trying to make this a political issue. The issue is why was she being held against her will? What happened to her? Enough victim blaming/slut shaming. As a man of integrity with daughters (and sons), I find it insulting.

I don't think it has anything to do with porn. I just think parents never taught their kids the golden rule - "How would you feel if someone did that to you" They really just have no clue how to place their selves in someone else's shoes and think through the emotions.

My thoughts exactly.

@DonInPhnx...My thoughts exactly.

Weird, she wanted out of the relationship but could not just walk out with her baby? She had to get the police involved? This girl was missing and got pregnant while under aged. Some adults involved made the wrong decision and might have committed a crime. Smells like abuse to me at the minimum. Even if she consented (which she might be too young to do) the first time, she might have been raped others. Women are raped even in relationships. We don't have all the facts, but I have a real issue with people already deciding she's a liar.

I smell a lawsuit against someone.

I'm with "Joe Bob355628" and I wonder how many of the responses are from the "Show Me State" or are students of Mr Akin? Clearly she was not raped, she never would have had that baby!!! Case closed !

quidproquote

If they ever found the Golden Rule in East St. Louis, they would take it to the pawn shop and try to sell it. Used to have to go there once in awhile, it is dangerous in the daytime and worse after dark. I hate to even drive across 40-64 to get to the other side of Illinois. Detroit has got nothing on East St. Louis for crimes commited daily.

DoninFinx: How she smells got to do with what? Sound like racist old white man or hillbilly man. Shayme on you.

So you're saying that an adult having sex with a fifteen year old girl should not be considered rape..... because of neanderthals?

Women have much to fear from the current mentality in the U.S.

No 1devon, he is just saying the girl isn't white and 15 that's all. Typical repub/teabagger comment.

So you're saying that an adult having sex with a fifteen year old girl should not be considered rape..... because of neanderthals?

First, let me start by saying I'm not referring to this story in particular with my next comment, and I personally do not find girls that look younger than 25 to 28 attractive.

It should be considered rape if that's what it really is. Rape is a violent act to demonstrate control or domination, and consensual sex should never be considered rape if the female or male is above the age of puberty.

If a 15 to 17 year old (male or female, it doesn't matter) has sex with someone older than themselves, and that person is not in a position of power over them, then I don't think it should be considered rape. It should be discouraged by the community, but completely ruining someone's life because of a consensual, sexual encounter is wrong especially when they differences in ages for someone accused of statutory rape are as small as 4 to 5 years.

My daughter was 10 when she hit puberty, not even out of grade school.. So, in your mentality, my child would be ok dating someone in their 20's or older as long as she wanted to? No, I think NOT.. If it's a CHILD (under 18 years old, unless emancipated) it's RAPE, PERIOD.. In the United States of America, there is no "grey area" it's called statutory rape, and rightfully so. There is a reason children are protected by pervert like this guy and his mother.. Just got the "psych-bates" chill down my back saying that, but the truth is he is 22, she is 15. He is legally liable, and she isn't. She is a child. No matter which way you cut it, even if it is her boyfriend, he enticed a child. PLAIN AND SIMPLE..

For the terribly misinformed (which appears to be all of you) consensual age in some states is as young as 15. Hell, in Spain it's 13. So whether or not it's sex with a 'minor' is highly subjective. Personally I think there are too many people on the planet and sex should be banned for a generation. lol

Starting with you first!

pullmyfinger13- Haha I agree, there are too many people

Hate to burst your bubble on statutory rape but as long as he is within 10 years of her age and she is older than 12 no charges will come. In NC at least. That is what the DA told me was the standard they go by. The law may read different but that doesn't seem to matter.

My oldest daughter; who was 13 at the time, was in a situation where she wanted to go shopping with her friend. Her friend's cousin and another man offered to take them. Instead they took them to a residence where they tried to get them drunk. The 21 year old slept with my daughter's freind (who was also 13) and the 22 year old sexual molested my daughter but she fought him when he tried to have sex with her. Later, they brought the girls home at 2am and dropped them off at the end of my driveway then sped off. Once my daughter got home she told me what happened.

You`d think this was an open and shut case but here in NC the district attorney said it was "water under the bridge" and it "happens all the time" so he did not charge the 2 men. Neither man spent 1 minute in jail. A restraining order was placed on me and I was repeatedly questioned and harrassed by police because I destroyed the vehicle they used, kicked in the door and entered the house they were in. (The 2 men ran out the back when I arrived unfortunately) I was treated like a criminal. I had charges brought up on me for destroying their car. But I felt some retribution and security knowing they no longer had a vehicle to continue what they were doing to other young girls. I was glad to have done it.

If you have faith in the justice system to protect your children from predators, you better think again. YOU are their only real protection. It was the DA that placed charges on me and would not allow these predators to be arrested nor charge them. His explaination was that since my daughter didn't call the police or try to escape she was consenting even though she was 13. Can you believe that monkey crap? She was scared to death and didn't know where she was. But because her friend consented that automatically included my daughter in the DA's eyes.

laulaus. "People" like you should not have children.

LOL, that is laughable, I have three, and my oldest now 19 just started dating, graduated high school with top honors, and works.. Everyone that knows my kids, says how well rounded they are.. I am a single parent, now divorced, and my kids are just fine.. I support them on my own and work full time.. So what about me shows I shouldn't procreate? I am an excellent mother, the proof is in my kids! Don't get mad, get gone troll..

Endeavor1, I admire both your actions and your restraint. You sent two cowardly rapists running out of their own house, but you didn't hunt them down and kill them (or the worthless scumbag DA). Your daughter is lucky, in spite of that awful experience. It only lasted for part of a day, but for every day of her life she has a champion in her corner.

@tlc1102...What if it comes out that they (the alleged abuser & mom) believed she was older. Like I said earlier only time will tell what the truth is. I'm sure the police have already started their investigation. They have to speak with more neighbors, check medical records ect..

To: machspeeddemon

Thanks for your support and compassion towards me and the situation my daughter had faced. I assure you; if I had caught them, I would probably still be in prison to this day to what ends they would have endured at my hands. My only restraint was I did not catch them. But my wife's father was also looking for them, with a shotgun. They were lucky they only had to face and run from me.

Though traumatic of an event, I can't be thankful enough that my child wasn't another rapist victim or worse.

Endeavor1, my heart aches for you and your daughter. I hope she has been able to move past that horrific event and be an awesome kid.

My exhusband was abusive. I was leaving him, packed a few things and he cornered me with my 15 month old little boy watching. He said he was going to do all of these horrible things and I was in a corner and couldn't get out. I slapped him as hard as I could across the face, grabbed my baby and ran for the car as fast as I could. I knew if he caught me I would be dead. He took a knife and scratched his face up and then called the police. When I explained what happened they said that because I didn't call FIRST about the "kidnapping" that I was the aggressor and I was arrested. The police didn't care. The DA didn't care. When he continued his antics, stalking me, trying to run me off the road, etc. I was told that I was at fault because I was where he was. Our justice system is crap. It's the most illogical system full of heartless judges and DA's.

Getting kinda tired, not pointing at you at all but, I really can't read that much more. Forgive me, I'm too tired but this story is so whacked, I am totally confused, I know when I read the story, felt something wasn't totally right. But I think it's best to leave it to the Justice system. I think the girl liked the guy, but after 2 years she wanted out for some reason and because once a long time ago I was in Love and she was my Best Friend, I can understand somewhat what she was going thru. When it comes to the Heart, everything is screwed up, nether of them could handle or figure out what to do.i don't take her or his side. Only that they both F--ked up and somehow she figured out this would be the way out of the problem, she choose this way for protection, that reason is up to her, did she think he would beat the s--t out of her all the time, or even worse kill her? That's why I say leave it to the Justice system, let them finally earn their pay(they're legalized thieves anyway).

So this thread is an argument over not much of anything. As the saying goes, "You can't rape the willing".

Domewars - That is one of the first common sense comments on here, and I am with you. I hope the truth is discovered, what ever the truth is.

Domewars. You apparently think your opinion actually matters whatever you think of this story. The internet has made nobodies like you apparently think you're somebody. It's hilarious. As if your or my opinion on an internet story actually mean anything.

Fre, you do realize how little your opinion of Domewar's opinions matters, right? And yes, I do realize how little my opinion of your opinion of Domewar's opinion matters, and yet still I felt compelled to say that it's my opinion that you are an a$$hole.

machspeed, you actually made me LOL. Thanks!

"As if your or my opinion on an internet story actually mean anything."

But makes for great entertainment.............................

Gotta love the heartlessness of my fellow American citizens

Not to condone anything this man has done, but a 22 year old man being attracted to a 15-year old doesn't make him a pedophile.

Everyone these days think that if you like someone a lot younger than you, you're a pedophile. Not quite that easy.

Pedophile is someone who is attracted to PREPUBSCENT children. Her having a child excludes her from being pre-pubscent. The term you are looking for is "ephobophile". Look it up and get eductated.

I totally agree with you there Ryan, as I was fifteen and my husband, to whom I am still married, was 21. We have three children and I was never forced. This year will make 39 years, and I resent my husband being referred to as a pedophile. Fact, he was a healthy young man, and I was a consenting young woman. True, I may have been too young at the time, but things worked out in the end, and the decision was totally mine to make. I am in my fifties now, and if I could go back and have the opportunity to change things, I wouldn't change a thing. People should know the facts before they jump to conclusions.

Married at 15...to a 21 year old...in West Virginia...never forced. Sounds like a Disney movie!

Women often got married at age 14 earlier in the last century. Even 13 was considered old enough to decide, or have your parents decide, it was time you got married.

Married at 15, yep that is W Virginia. To hell with education " I is gonna to get myself married." Dumbing down of America.

Ryan;

I am guessing you don't have a 15 year old daughter. I do and she is not going to be dating or doing anything with a 22 year old, period. And what does at 22 year old have in common with an immature 15 year old? Let him go find somebody his own age!

ProudWestVirginian:

My parents are 5 years apart and started dating each other at 15 and 20 but that was 55 years ago. They would never have allowed any of their children to do the same thing. Times have changed since then but that's what they did back in the 50's and 60's.

Siestasis:

When a West Virginian introduces a spouse or family member, they say "This is my sister-cousin, Thelma-Bob", as spittle spews out between their missing front teeth!

Also, there is definitely more to this story. What has been reported so far (in this article) is very unclear as the link in here that sends you to news feed states that the girl is 19 and may have been abducted earlier than April of 2010. Something about all of this does not make sense but stay tuned...

Robtzu - The word is RAPIST. Why don't you go look that word up and go get educated.

Ryan - I'ts very easy. He's a RAPIST.

ProudWestVirginia - Honey Boo Boo this is 2012 not the 1950's, and parents nowadays don't let their kids go off and marry rapists. Sorry. You may be ok with it, but the rest of the world that wants their children to have a childhood, and not be expected to do a woman's duty at the ripe old age of 15 would have to disagree with you.

Laulaus, try reading the post and my reply, ok? Someone uses a word wrongly, and now you use another word to... what? Maybe he is a rapist, if the story is true. But even if he is, he is not a pedophile, he is an ephobophile. Not sure how abusing the English language puts oneself on the moral high ground.

LOL! Honey Boo Boo is right. Wheww...that was funny. I would never in a million years let my 15 yo daughter even think about dating some 22 yo man. And if he touched my daughter he would have hell to pay that or I would send him to hell.

Proud WV - what spurred families to start letting their daughters leave the house at early ages had to do with Poor families who were relieved to get rid of as many as soon as they could. My grandmother was 13 when she married and my grandpa was 20, but my grandma told me that was because of large families (ie no birth control back then) and the need to clothe, feed and house them. And the one important thing was the lack of education back then, education was only for the rich in the 30s and 40s. As time went on and she learned about life, she wished that she had waited, got an education, explored the world then found love, in that order. She preached to all of her granddaughters to not go out looking for love before you find education. She would say learn from my experiences.

Robtzu, you know what puts me on a higher moral ground? Knowing the brain of 15 year olds. I've had three.. So I think I have a pretty idea what a TEENAGER is.. He is an ADULT.. So, the word RAPIST is suitable.. Thank you.

You forgot to mention that back in the 40's and 50's most teenagers were as responsible as adults are now or moreso. These days a 22 year old has the mentality of a 12 year old from the 50's in that regard. They may be more educated now but common sense and maturity are totally absent in most as parents shelter them longer now than ever before. My wife and I met when she was 13 and I was 15. We have been together ever since and got married after high school. We have 4 children and 2 grandchildren now. Too young? Perhaps, but we found in each other; though very young, what most will never see in their lifetime.

BTW, alot of people that live in the south are retirees from the north because it is alot cheaper. They move here and raise their families here. Insulting someone based on a stereo-type of where they live is pretty immature...wouldn't you agree?

I would never condone the type of behavior that some pass off as OK due to the age of the victim and the perpetrator. Age limits on sexual relations are there for good reason. Whether she was willing or not does not permit HIS actions to be righteous. He has broken the law and needs to be held accountable for such.

How the family knew of her location yet she was still reported as missing is very questionable. As I have stated earlier in these post as to my reaction when I discovered the location of 2 rapist, I would assume this family would have done the same.

No not exactly, I would just say Honey boo boo in a Jersey Accent in that case since apparently we migrate south.. lol.. :) Doesn't make me immature.. I love my "sense of human"..

I find it funny that a lot of you think you can stop your teenagers from dating. What are going to do, keep them at home and never let them out of your site? "Daddy, I'm going to the movies with my friends" "Are there going to be boys there?" "No daddy." Then your little angel leaves the movie theater and meets up with her 20 year old boyfriend. Teenagers are smart enough to get around that crap, unless you literally never let them out of your site.

Laulaus, I do not know how you make it through the day with your confused train of thought. You understand that a thing can be more than two things at once? An apple can be both red and round? That being red does not mean its not round? Do you understand? Not all rapists are pedophiles. You can be a rapist and not be a pedophile. Does that make sense someone in that head of yours? Raping a pubescent 15 year old makes you a... rapist and an ephobophile! Raping a prepubescent 8 year old makes you a... rapist and a pedophile! Fun with words! Its easy!

Would have had to be a 4 month pregnancy.

I call bull-chit.

I think she did run away...BECAUSE she was already pregnant. Then things got bad and scary.

I found this on the local news site about the case:

"Washington Park police told NewsChannel 5 the victim disappeared when she was 15, and that she told them she is now 19. We asked police about the age discrepancy, and they said the victim was reported missing in April 2010, but she may have been missing before that date."

So she was missing as a 13/14yr old but her parents didn't report it? I am even more confused.

"Washington Park police told NewsChannel 5 the victim disappeared when she was 15, and that she told them she is now 19. We asked police about the age discrepancy, and they said the victim was reported missing in April 2010, but she may have been missing before that date."

Hm, okay so that means she left/disappeared in 2008, but parents didn't report until 2010? MAYBE she left home "voluntarily," thinking she knew what she was doing (typical 15 year old!), but then found herself a prisoner unable to contact her parents. So MAYBE they didn't report her missing for 2 years because there HAD been contact, but then suddenly there was NO contact. And if so, that would have been about the time the baby was born; MAYBE the grandparents suddenly weren't allowed to see the daughter OR the grandchild, things got ugly, etc. Of course, this is just speculation....

So now the article has been updated, explaining that she was missing for over 3 years - that does make more sense now.

"In April 2009, St. Louis, Mo., police listed the girl as a missing or runaway juvenile. She was 15 when she disappeared."

Can we please not immediately be "suspicious" just because her actions are not what "WE" would have done under the same circumstances? Unless you've been under the same circumstances, it's mindless twaddle.

Floretta, it's not "mindless twaddle" to ask questions. GG has a point. Even if you approach the story assuming the teen's story is true she still needs to prove it somehow.

It is very possible that she ran away from home to live with the man and now, after two years, realizes it was not a good decision. She could have went back to her family in shame or told the police a somewhat fabricated story to make herself look better. Either way, the man could get in trouble for statutory rape.

Stockholm syndrome is not the answer for every kidnapping victim that does not alert anyone when offered the chance to escape. There could be more to the story that is not revealed at the first look. In this case, I think there is more here that has not been said.

Well, to be fair - its innocent before proven guilty, so it is her story we should be skeptical of until its is proven.

GG-327589

'I will wait until more facts come out before deciding what I believe about this. According to the above report, the girl was seen outside the home and made no attempt to escape. Was this after she had the baby? Did they use the child to control her? Why didn't she tell the doctors at the hospital about the kidnapping? How did they control her? How did her relatives know where to find her? I am a bit suspicious about her story, but things like this do happen.'

Let me kidnap you and make you rely on ME for food, shelter, ect.. Let me beat you, rape you, and then tell you I'll hurt you or even possibly the baby if you leave. You know I am capable I've hit you and raped you before.. SAME INSTANCE.. Except it didn't happen to you, it happened to her..

Laulaus-I doubt this girls story as well. She was pregnant when she "disappeared" and tried to escape several times before she succeeded. She made it this time because her relatives were there? I thought she was missing. Her story makes it sound like she was kisnapped, raped, and got pregnant in that order. But if she has been missing for 2 years and the child is already 2 that order of events makes no sense. If she was that intimidated why did she keep trying to escape? If she was that determined to escape why didn't she tell the doctors? We don't have all the facts but the ones we do so far don't seem logical to support her story. I'm not one to narmally doubt the victims account but from a logical point of view something sounds fishy about this.

If you read the events and use logic, she was already pregnant which means she was raped after.. Repeatedly, from what it says, which I feel is worse.. You got to be the biggest coward to rape and beat a pregnant teenager.. More of this story will come out soon hopefully..

Michelle, she was not already pregnant.

"In April 2009, St. Louis, Mo., police listed the girl as a missing or runaway juvenile. She was 15 when she disappeared."

If the child is 2 then s/he was born in 2010.

@Laulaus ... if you read the story:" Police in Washington Park, a village next to East St. Louis, said the girl reported that she was raped by her captor, got pregnant and had a baby." reading comprehension isnt hard, stop creating a fantasy with its own facts.

And what did you do when it happened to you, ColtsFan67Az?

Oh, I'm sorry, never happened to you? But you are an expert on kidnapping, rape, abuse HOW exactly?

I guess according to you Elizabeth Smart was never kidnapped and held against her will as well because she as well went out in public.

Perhaps Jaycee Dugard could explain it to you, ColtsFan. It happens.

It couldn't happen to me because I'd be too vengeful. I'd be too pi$$ed off to be scared into real submission. I'd make the idiot who'd try to mess with me think whatever I needed him to think: if it helped me to pretend to submit, I'd do it. Right up until I had a clear shot at his pebbles, that is.

I cannot fathom how people crumble under interrogation and confess to crimes they didn't commit, either. If I were criminally inclined, I doubt that they could make me confess to things I did do! But it happens.

thank you S Hernandez for your informed reply...i was just waiting for someone to respond with something along the lines that i was thinking...my husband a couple years ago had to work around the washington park area...i think he honestly believed it was worse than east st. louis and that is not good for the chamber of commerce thats for sure. his company which is a customer service medical type company that did service calls to homes did not even allow their employees to go outon service calls after a certain part of day to the washington park area....that is the honest truth...he told me he often wondered if the police even were around after a certain time of day. of course the swat team etc was called in once the girl got out and was called in to get the baby...and also arrest the adults, etc that might be in the home. actually, when all is said and done...they will find out the age of this gal...they will find out probably when she actually was reported missing and at what age...

more than likely they will get to the bottom of this whole story...the major case squad in that area i consider to be top notch--they need to be they are kept very busy. The baby is safe now regardless of his/her age...the rest will be figured out...as far as the neighbors go...think Jaycee Dugard etc. there were opportunities for her to say something but she was told her family didnt love her and want her anymore...she was taken in broad daylight on her way to a school bus and ended up with two children...and lived in the backyard of that monster. in this case, we dont know what happened...perhaps when she was out in the yard maybe the babies life was threatened if she dare make a wrong move...i am just glad regardless she got out...the truth will come out...and until you go visit washington park illinois i am sad to say you probably do not understand the corruption in their city government and that trickles down to a town that is for the most part at times like a modern day version of the wild wild west....its a sad thing for the very nice and good people that have no choice but to live there.

as a quick note....the fella holding the gal for 4 years (when they find her story to be true or not)

is known as "psycho" on the streets...i think its probably a good thing she got out and made sure her baby was taken out...one way or another...the truth will come out...

Something similar is happening in my family. The young man involved told my cousin that he would kill himself if she did not come to be with him. (The proof is on my cousin's computer.) The boy would come to her house, but not enter the house and they would have arguments on the porch. One day my cousin just disappeared on the way to school. She was found in Illinois. When the Chicago police investigated, they interviewed her, but the boy's mother would not allow them to interview her privately, everything had to be done in her presence. The mother would not allow my cousin's mother to see her, as they were very close. My cousin was a minor when she disappeared, but at the time of the interview she was of legal age and had a child, so nothing could be done. I think that some parents would do anything to keep their own child alive, even if it means kidnapping another person. Shortly after the interview they moved and she has not been found since. I feel so badly for her, because she was looking forward to college and a career in forensics.

HIS mother helped not the teen ager

I agree with you...and I do hope you move on down the road from this unstable family/situation.

IF he is a virgin...and she is spending hours and hours after school with him...that won't last for too long.

Best of luck to you. Seems like your head is on straight...too bad you can't straighten your GF's.

You said you're not their father but by the way you've described you the closest thing they got. You support them, and raise them. Just because she is the Mother bilogically doesn't mean that because she has the final say doesn't mean her actions are right and yours aren't. I would make a "set-in-stone" policy for your home, and if they can't abide by it.. I personally would be done with it..I am assuming you have one child with her, and that child will see what your wife has allowed for the one that isn't yours, and that can be a problem.. Good luck

Your story is uniquely yours, TopJimmy, but the core and roots of the situation is very common. Dad and/or mom works, works & works to support, raise, nurture and love their children only to find out that they do think for themselves and stand by their worldly convictions, whether we approve of their thoughts/actions or not. They're teenagers - they know EVERYTHING and us parents - in our "old" age - are still here on Earth by pure luck alone. Good luck to you, TopJimmy.

"Raising a teenager is like trying to nail jello to a tree." -Bill Cosby

"he is still a virgin" How would you know. If he's picking her up at the bus stop and returning her home at 9pm, neither one of them is still a virgin. They're not doing home work (for school).

Violence is never the answer....I do not have kids because of these complications...I feel for you though.....I wish you the best...I have no advice...I am a single girl with NO parenting experience...the situation is creepy...can you have the guy arrested since he is dating a minor? I generally think many men are predators (not all, but many)...We have to be vigilant, smart and strong as women today...Teach your kids well. Good luck.

at best we can only hope todd akin gets washed away by a legitimate wave while in tampa

It sounds like she was pregnant BEFORE she went missing.

where in the article does it say that her parents knew where she was? I can't believe that you would lie about such a thing just to throw people off about what actually happened, you ought to be very ashamed ofg yourself.

steve: Get someone NOT stoned to explain the following to you.

"She told police as she tried to escape a suspect tried to pull her back into the home, but her relatives were at the scene and helped her escape and contact police. "

I don'r know about "her parents" You're the only one talking about them.

People ought to note that this is the info police have given to the media. Not uncommon for police to have errors in their information, especially at the start. Later the conflicting/incorrect info (such as when the girl's disappearance was reported) stays in the files, periodically creating more confusion.

SteveC-526943- where exactly did I say she lied? I never said her parents where there. I was pointing out the fact that the article states family ( which by the way means your are related to someone ie a relative ) helped her escape.

She was underage and having sex with an adult=rape no matter what but I am confused because of the inconsitiencies in the story. Why would her relatives be there without the police since they filed a missing persons/ runaway report. More details need to emerge to clarify what really happened (ie how did relatives find her in the 1st place).

God wills rape? Are you stupid?

Steve and Master Q, to make a political argument for your imperfect candidate out of this story shows the dunces you both truly are.. Go troll the other boards, I'm pretty sure there's another nut-loon out there for you both to sweet-talk up Obama with! Geesh..

I'm always armed, and I wouldn't go to a kid-nappers house without back-up from the police.

Did you not read the friggin' story?! It's the liberal police department that hasn't released any names, because no one has been charged with anything thing.

afv

And????

Waiting for you to tell us why that's important. ????????????