This is impossible, guns are illegal in Chicago!

Its time to watch "Bowling for Columbine".

Really?

When guns are criminalized, only criminals will have guns. Chicago and Mexico are excellent examples.

Just less dunnies and thugs for hard working citizens to have to worry about. The police dont do anything, so just let the scum kill each other then maybe south side will be like it was over 40 years ago. you were able to shop in roseland and engelwood,not now with the punk kids out in the streets at all hours of the night. Maybe if moma an dede was being responsible this wouldnt happen. except most of them are crack heads and thug gangbangers themselves. then you see em in county cryin like babies "MY BABY WERNT NO GANG BANGER!" with they hat all broke off . yea we believe that . Got nuthin to do with guns its because of gun restriction,if more people had them then more of these fools would be dead and the streets would be safer. end of story!

Well part of Mayor Emanual plan is to give a lot of money to the illegal kids for education isn't that a nice little present for being illegal oh but now they will be legal by decree

These are crimes being committed by those who own guns illegally. You don't think they won't and can't get guns when they want? Most of these crimes are being committed by gangs and drug uses. You want to really stop this...get hard on drug users and dealers. Stop saying pot is ok and should be taxed. It is what most of these people get started on. Convict users and give them hard time. Convict dealers of murder or at least manslaughter. You don't think none of those they sell to die? The slap on the wrist and rehab way is not working. Start with the celebs who are arrested for drugs and work your way down. Stop making drug use look fun and cool. Don't let the rich buy their way out of jail time. Pay for the new jails needed by selling off all assets of those convicted. Get serious about closing the canadian border to drug smugglers. In case you don't know, a good amount comes in from canada, not just Mexico. Pot, E, meth, heroin and lately crack. They have tunnels under the U.S.-canadian border that make Mexicans jealous. Stop making excuses for drug users and get serious about the problem. I bet the last thing chicago wants is to make it legal to buy pot.

I am sure obama won't do anything. Hell he was a coke user himself. This is not just a gun problem, it is a drug problem as well.

Emily--sorry, but CHICAGO has some of the most restrictive gun ownership laws in the country.

And as Chicago PROVES on a daily basis, GUN RESTRICTION LAWS ONLY keep people who would legally fill out the paperwork from buying. They do NOTHING to prevent thugs, gang members and CRIMINALS from getting them.

Yeah, all that gun control seems to be working out real well for all the folks up in Chicago.

Chris Wanker--so, heavily restricting the manufacture of guns will eliminate them in this country? Kind of like restricting the growth of poppies has 'eliminated Heroin here'? Or legislating against cocaine has lessened the amount of Cocaine here?

PLEASE think before you spout off. If WE don't make them, some other country will, and will smuggle them in.

How can this be??? A city with the most restrictive gun laws having more and more shootings and homocides?? It must be a lie, it could not be happening in a city with such restrictive gun laws!

Quick we need to make a study costing tens of thousands of tax payer dollars to find out how these poor mistreated people managed to get guns in a city so restrictive,they are law abiding citizens and there guns must have went off by themselves as we all know the guns are what kill people nt those holding them. Then we need to pass even more laws to make it harder to buy a gun cause this cannot happen if we take guns away from all law abiding citizens.end of sarcasm

If you really belief banning guns will end violent crimes or any gun crimes you are an idiot. And anyone care to guess what will be next?Just look to the UK and australia where they are now banning both the sale and carrying of knives. Any of you libs want to guess as to the reason for this.... try not to think to hard.... it is not the gun that kills someoe it is the person using the gun and taking away guns will not stop crime or murders!! All it will do is make it harder for people to defend themselves. You do not need a gun, a rope as a garote, a knife , a brick , a piece of glass and thousands of other items can be used to kill someone. Get rid of the criminal not the guns if you want to end this.

Be a good place for the Democratic convention as they all know their way around anyways. I bet they would be armed.

UNTIL YOU GET RID OF THE CRIMINALS IT WILL NOT STOP, banning guns will not stop them from killing or robbing others.

yes and while were at it stop manufacturing knives, cars, alcohol ,they've killed more people in chicago than the guns have

It sounds like Chicago needs its community organizer back!

When is the messiah going to show up for his photo op?

"When guns are criminalized, only criminals will have guns." I've heard this stated so many times and it is always noted as if it is some major pronouncement for the sanctity of gun ownership. It, of course, is much less than profound. Of course, if guns are made illegal, then anyone with a gun is therefore a criminal. What exactly is that statement saying that is so meaningful? Sounds more like a talking point from the NRA and gun manufacturers than an announcement for the legitimacy of gun ownership.

Shall we FINALLY discuss MEXICO'S ROLE in poisoning the American people with THEIR DRUGS.

Simple solution... Heavily restrict the manufacturing of guns. In about 5 - 10 years, the number of shootings by criminals will drop drastically.

Today's moronic comment contributed by Chris Wanker

How about a moment of silence for the people getting killed every day in Chicago, MR. PRESIDENT?

Then you must have also heard, "Guns don't kill people. People kill people"? I have several handguns and rifles, yet I haven't killed anyone. Honest citizens who have guns are not the ones going around killing people. Criminal and thugs are doing the killing. I have guns to protect my family and myself from those very same criminals and thugs.The police cannot be everywhere, everytime. Gun control doesn't work; never has, never will. Seems Chicago South Side is reverting to the 1920's, when Capone and Moran were killing each people.

ChrisWanker

Simple solution... Heavily restrict the manufacturing of guns. In about 5 - 10 years, the number of shootings by criminals will drop drastically.

Anti-Second Amendment AND anti-American jobs/economy. Now that's thinking like a liberal!

Mr. Binkie

We need to get hand guns off the streets! Stop manufacturing them. They're useless for hunting.

What the hell does hunting have to do with this? Handguns are for self defense and the Second Amendment was specifically enacted as insurance against a tyrannical government. Looks like the libtards are attempting to re-write history again.

Chicago is a great city to visit. Many more nights like this and they will lose their entire tourism industry over night. Somebody better get a handle on it...quick!

Maybe Rahm Emanuel should worry a little more about rampant crime in his city than being concerned about Chik Fil A building a restaraunt there...heck if I was Chik Fil A I would be seriously rethinking about building there.

hey binkey i use a pistol for bear and deer hunting, it's very effective, useless is uninformed comments like the one you just made. fyi it's a 1911a1 45acp with all custom parts, the other thing that's useless is the bleeding hearts who want to abolish the death penalty when it should be embraced, murderers need a quick end instead of wasting our tax money rotting because they keep appealing. make the punishment fit the crime, if you misuse a weapon intentionally and it kills someone innocent than you should be put down just like any other rabid animal.

The most politically corrupt city in the country in the most politically corrupt state in the nation:

Chicago averages approximately 50 murders a month, 20 in a recent weekend. Good ole' boy Rahm's solution: Keep Chick-Fil-A out of the city.

Liberals - giving the best solutions to a serious problem that they are capable of!

Sure that'll fix it - way to go Rahm!

My thoughts and prayers for the innocent deceased and injured.

Ahhh yes Chicago, the windy city, home of our Commander in Chief. I wonder if Obama is aware that more murders have occurred in his home town, than troops killed in Afghanistan? He probably doesn't care, until after January, when he will be moving back there.

In NYC, one Revenge Crazed Loonie kills his former boss and is walking away, cops wound 9 bystanders taking him down...this gets 6 hours of Live Coverage all over the news, but in Schitcago...6 dead and a dozen wounded is Ho-Hum...below average for a Saturday...Rahm, Bloomberg...Top Notch Mayoring ..The 2 Police Commissioners will give each other a High-Five and a plaque for Outstanding Leadership....

BarryO, please go home, Schitcago needs you almost as badly as the rest of the Country Doesn't....

But now is NOT the time to discuss the easy availability of guns.

Nice try, EmilyPhoebe, and well motivated, but there's no stopping the comments, both idiotic,

This is impossible, guns are illegal in Chicago!

and angry,

hey binkey i use a pistol for bear and deer hunting, it's very effective, useless is uninformed comments like the one you just made.

You cannot stop it.

FedupwithFed ...(#1.19)..."It sounds like Chicago needs its community organizer back!

When is the messiah going to show up for his photo op?"

Right after he announces he never gave up his Indonesian Citizenship or Legally Changed his Name back to Barrack Hussein Obama...So, NEVER....

Were the NYPD in town for a shooting convention? They can't hit anything but civilians.

Gun control is like trying to control drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to get drivers licenses.

The average response time of a 911 call is 23 minutes; the response time of a .357 cal is 1400 feet per second............................for those of you who are anti-gun please use your 23 minutes to calmly wait for help! For all of the gun owners out there do what needs to be done to protect yourself and your loved ones from thugs! Time to put some fear back into a thugs life because it's obvious that the laws aren't doing it!

Chicago averages approximately 50 murders a month, 20 in a recent weekend. Good ole' boy Rahm's solution: Keep Chick-Fil-A out of the city.

Actually, according to 2010 data, Chicago averages 35.46 murders per month, not 50.

I know this won't stop all the liberal-bashing and Obama-trashing, or the "guns don't kill people, people do" utterances but, in 2010 Chicago was 18th in the nation in its murder rate, among cities with 250,000 or more inhabitants.

Here's the top 20:

1. New Orleans, LA*
2. St Louis, MO*
3. Baltimore, MD
4. Detroit, MI*
5. Newark, NJ
6. Oakland, CA
7. Washington DC.
8. Kansas City, MO*
9. Buffalo, NY
10. Cincinnati, OH*
11. Philadelphia, PA*
12. Cleveland, OH*
13. Pittsburg, PA*
14. Atlanta, GA*
15. Stockton, CA
16. Milwaukee, WI
17. Miami, FL,*
18. Chicago, IL
19. Tulsa, OK*
20. Memphis, TN*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

Those cities with an asterix (*) next to them are in "Shall Issue" states, and were at the time these statistics were gathered. I count 12 out of the top 20.

So, once again, how are non-restrictive gun laws helping to lower murder rates. violent crime?

Now let the angry "typical libtard" responses begin.

dman-353357...(#1.39)....Wonder how the (*) cities are doing .....But in Chicago.....

That was in 2010...Fast Forward to 2011:

Chicago's 2011 murder rate up 18.2 percent so
far this year. Auto Thefts Skyrocket.

Chicago
Murders up and Car Thefts up.

Homicides up 18 percent in Chicago this
year

Homicides in Chicago rose 18 percent through the first two months of
2011 compared with the same period last year, according to preliminary
statistics released today by the Chicago Police Department."
http://losangelesmurderrate.blogspot.com/2011/03/chicagos-2011-murder-rate-up-182.html

Now to, 2012 :

" The uptick began on Memorial Day weekend, when about 40 people were shot, including 10 who were fatally wounded. So far there have been more than 250 homicides this year, up 38 percent over the same period last year, according to the Chicago Tribune."
http://www.theroot.com/views/heaven-and-hell-crime-torn-chicago

So, higher in 2011 than 2010 and higher again from 2011 to 2012.....Sure sounds like it's going UP !!! That makes 2012 WAY Higher than 2010....

dman-353357...(#1.39)...Here's your list again....Wonder how many of these cities are run and have been run by Democrat Party Machines....You can look it up and report back....I already know the answer...

Have a nice crime free day.... :-)

Must be something in the water....

We have a problem with lack of education, unemployment, too much freedom, no respect for the rights of others, too many bullies, etc., etc. A critical problem in our culture is a false sense of entitlements and a work avoidance syndrome.

As suggested above, all criminals should be banned! The person who suggested it should be put in charge of the project to rid our nation of criminals!

If the article were not serious, it would almost be funny. That's constant wall-to-wall shooting and killing. Just like the movies in the Philippines, where a one-hour movie features at least several murders every minute.

the minority black and Hispanic gangs, are at war with one another to control the illegal drug trade in their areas; it is a major problem on a national scale; however no one, no media, no politician will bring up the issue, no family connections (the gangs are their family); no family structure, in the black community 85% of all births are unwed mothers relying on government assistance, schooling the majority never get past the 9th grade, living in ghetto surroundings, no social ties to church or community organizations;. our well intention welfare state went off the tracks, our city's with a large minority population are becoming open warfare.

When Guns are Outlawed.... Yet another "cute", catchy propaganda phrase... Cute in asterisks, because of how is is so famously thrown aroud as clever, not so cute when you look at how many deaths it has probably caused. Yet another instance of inciting fear.... don't outlaw guns, because then all us law abiding citizens can't defend ourselved against all the violent ones lurking all around us. It is self-perpetuating, there are so many guns around that those who would use them for violence can easily get them, those who are afraid then buy more guns to defend against the violent. On it's face, is ludicrous, because with the possible exception of some PETA members, no one is saying all guns should be outlawed. Even in Europe where most countries have some degree of gun control, people can and do have guns, they are just restricted to legitimate purposes such as hunting. All these countries have far lower violent crime rates, and the people in these countries aren't crying for more guns--- I know first hand, have lived there.

Folks talking about NYC and other locations where guns are controlled are being disengenuous. Everyone knows there are no fences around state and city borders, it is a quick drive to a state where anyone can get the weapons they want.

A parallels: When speeding is outlawed, only outlaws will speed. (How many of us aren't outlaws by that defininition?)

My dad once said never point a gun at someone unless you already plan to use it. He also believed that you were far better off not bringing a gun into a potentially violent situation, too many times people think of them as an equalizer, instead of backing off from a confrontation, it escalates. Better for someone to think you are chicken or lose your wallet than for someone to be dead(including possibly yourself). I have lived that philosophy all over the U.S. and the world, and it has worked, even when things got physical.

I have at least a dozen guns, all oriented toward hunting from my growing up years and/or inherited. They are in a locked gun safe, I would have no problem registering them.

Jimmy: Wrong on control has never worked. See Europe above. Also your example of Capone...remember "Tommy Guns"? Machine guns "controlled", very noticable impact.

that just goes to prove that when government restricts your 2nd ammenment right only the criminals have guns and law abiding citizens dont. every city should adopt the law like the city in Georgia where if you dont own a gun you cant live there and they have no crime. why is that you ask? well it is simple you will get shoot because everyone there has a gun. i am a legal gun owner and i wont hesitate to shoot any scumbag thug that trys to rob me or harm my family. gun control is not controling who buys guns it is hitting what you aim at plain and simple

71-year-old Right-to-Carry permit holder defends elderly women, The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, St. Louis, Mo. 08/12/12

dman-353357...(#1.39)...Here's your list again....Wonder how many of these cities are run and have been run by Democrat Party Machines....You can look it up and report back....I already know the answer...

What are you saying there, mike, that the crime problem all relates to the democratic party?

Or is it the lack of guns?

I'm trying to get a handle on which "magic solution" you and others are advocating, as it seems to change depending on the moment and what logical fallacy you are asked to address.

dman-353357, those stats are just about murder...it doesn't specify how...or mention if a gun or if was used. I would also bet those cities would match on gang presence. Please use all the facts...and lose the spin. You lose most of the argument when you start leaning. I would also bet most of those stats didn't involve people with legally acquired firearms, that is the ones doing the crime, or being the victim.

Having grown up around Chicago, I can't remember a time when there wasn't shooting...all the way back to Al Capone. The problem isn't gun control, given that guns are illegal in Chgo. The problem is that young people have nothing to do but gang bang. If you can't get a job, you can't make money. But if you go into the gang business, you have a chance of surviving, of living in an apartment and not on the street, of eating. The only hiring that's being done is down at the Gang Employment Office.

Even Walter White, fictional character on Breaking Bad, takes a new option once he discovers he has cancer and that his teacher's health insurance covers so little that he would only leave his family bankrupt. Faced with survival, people often choose life...by whatever means necessary.

We need to think more about why there is so much violence instead of just being shocked that there is if we hope to improve social conditions for everybody. Jobs these days don't even pay a Living Wage, which means that after working 40+ hours, you still don't make enough money to pay rent or utilities. People who were middle class are sinking fast.

"Keeninsight" - right.

The fact that the vast majority of those gangbangers are born to unwed mothers on welfare couldn't possibly be part of the problem?

Rampant drug and alcohol abuse?

Or the fact that they have almost no education - mostly because they come from homes that don't value it?

And exactly who do you think is going to hire someone who dropped out of school in 9th grade?

And sorry, I don't believe for a second that most of those people even want legitimate jobs. Most of them are too far gone for that. The entitlement mentality is firmly entrenched in most of those people, as they have been dependant on family-destroying welfare programs for too many generations now.

It makes me so sad to read comments from people that haven't the first clue what the actual circumstances are in the "hood". SELLING (not using) drugs is often the cause of this violence. Not to say there aren't addicts, but USING isn't the norm. People want to WORK, and they want to lead legitimate, productive lives. Everyone has a dream, and I really wish you all would stop, just once, and think of each person as an individual. In many states, being on welfare is limited to just a short period of time, regardless of how many dependents one has. Do you even know what the rules are for your state, or are you passing on the same myths that perpetuate the hate?

We can do better!

United WE - first of all, there are ALL KINDS of assistance programs besides welfare, and most of them have NO time limitations. Secondly, if you had a clue as to what you were talking about you would know that there are all kinds of ways around those time limits and all kinds of ways to start a new claim. You are either very ignorant on this subject - or you are hoping the rest of us are.

And no, I vehemently disagree that most of those people want to work. I'm sure SOME of them do, but not MOST. Most of the people in our inner cities do NOT want to work. Don't tell me that people who consistently make horrendous personal choices like dropping out of school at 15 and having multiple children with multiple irresponsible men have any interest whatsoever in being responsible and actually holding a full time job. And they are "raising" children that they have no concept of parenting properly, and they don't give rat's a$$ about education, (which the failing schools in our cities are ample evidence of.)

By the way, just so you know,I live in NJ, the inner city schools in our state receive the lion's share of state education dollarsand yet almost every single inner city school is a miserable failure. And they ARE failures primarily because of dysfunctional homes headed by people who don't value education. Period.

Hey Mike!

I say we send the community organizer packing back to Chicago!

Rich Lambert - If you trust the current admin., then go ahead and register your "unregistered" guns. Let them know you are armed.

dman-353357, those stats are just about murder...it doesn't specify how...or mention if a gun or if was used.

Patriot - I'm not leaning in any direction. I'm merely asking why, if legal gun ownership, and/or concealed carry permits are such a deterrent to crime, Chicago, with its highly restrictive gun laws, is not higher on the list than cities like St Louis, New Orleans?

Many people keep raising Chicago's restriictive gun laws as the reason why it has a high crime rate. My rejoinder is higher than what, and why are you not counting crimes in cities like St. Louis, Philadelphia, New Orleans, etc.?

Yes, I just mentioned the murder stats, but if you look at the link I provided, that in other areas of violent crime, such as assault and armed robbery, Chicago also rates lower than many cities in "Shall Issue" states.

You accuse me of filtering the facts, but all you offer in return are assumptions, as in "I would also bet those cities would match on gang presence." and "I would also bet most of those stats didn't involve people with legally acquired firearms,".

So you know for a fact that New Orleans has a higher gang presence than Chicago, or are you just making another ideological wager?

Gambling is a fun past time, but it is no substitute for fact.

So one more time, why does Chicago not have more crime than New Orleans, or Cincinnati?

When does the positive effect of all this gun ownership start to kick in?

The moment it was law, I would do it..... I have nothing to hide. The only thing that maybe should fear my weapons is a deer or a duck if I pull a gun out of the safe for old times sake w/a friend, although they might be pretty safe, too, as my aim probably isn't all that great given the amount I have used them over recent years. It would probably take half a day to get at the guns, would have to find the combo and maybe lubricate the lock.

And I don't recall the current admin calling for people to register their guns. If I was part of this or any other administration or law enforcement agency and a person started telling me they were armed, I would justifiably start wondering what they really meant and whether it was a threat.

I do trust the current admin, certainly more than I trust paranoid, scared folks looking for conspiracies. It is a bit of a stretch to say I am armed because I know I have locked away in my safe the gun I used to shoot my first deer, that I used when dad and I went after pheasants and grouse, that shot that blackbird over 300 yards away w/open sights when I was around 9 or 10 and with my visiting cousin(could never do That again), or that I would love to pull out if an opportunity ever comes up to go after a wild pig or go "huntin" with an old friend, for old times sake.

Why does this surpise anyone?! Chicago is and always has been the criminal capital of the country. It has been that way since Al Capone and the current people that live there, the people that come from there, and the politicians that infest it are just as bad if not worse.

FedupwithFed As soon as you get there. Why don't you lead the way?

Most of the people who are apparently experts on poverty in the inner city and also experts on the people who live there probably get most of their information from tv shows. "Those people" as you refer to them struggle to raise families and send their children to school. And most of these children do graduate from high school. You seem to think black kids do more drugs and alcohol than suburban white kids. LOL.

So count your blessings that you weren't born in Roseland. But, yeah, I know--you are an expert on how everybody faces day to day life there.

Yes sadly we have too many TV educated citizens in this country who "know" all about the issues and how to solve the worlds problems in one sound byte. We do need to look deeper than a 30 second news clip at the issues facing the nation and the world.

DMAN,

That is EXACTLY what Mike is SAYING. I read these post every day and I always see all the liberal hoopla about blue states vs Red and so forth. As I looked at your list I saw immediately why these were the highest rates of Gun Murders in the nation, they are not traditional Cities where the gun tradition lives. Chicago and New York are the best examples these days because they are in the news so often. I lived in New Orleans before the Katrina Hurricane cleaned out the 9th ward and exposed the corrupt mayor and police chief.

I was told by a black policeman once that said to avoid the 9th ward at all cost because they did things a little different there. They would kill you first and then rob you afterwards. Every single day I lived there I would read about unidentified bodies being found all around the City and surrounding Parishes. Jefferson Parrish was a bit different, because Sheriff Harry Lee was the man in charge and he was the type on man that made criminals think twice before they come to his Parrish to commit a crime. He was a 350lb, 5 foot tall, redneck that the State police would sidestep for. You all who know him know what I mean.

In New Orleans, I once read about a tourist staying in a fancy hotel two blocks from Bourbon Street get murdered with a ball peen Hammer before he was robbed. I guess the perp had spent all his money on drugs and could not afford anything better.

The point is that like many other cities where the citizens are now allowed to defend themselves the violent crime rate goes down. Those are stats that the liberals avoid. You see in order to get a CHL you must first pass a strenuous background check and pay for training and be held responsible for abiding by the laws. All of the above is why we read so many objections to the Stand Your Ground and Castle laws.

The liberal ranks are filled with the people that cannot apply for a CHL because they have criminal histories, and intend to continue to break the laws. They do not feel compelled to contribute to society, they want to steal from it instead. The Self-entitled are the reasons our streets are dangerous. My nephew was murdered two weeks ago on his front porch in Baton rouge, LA two blocks away from the university. He was 24 and one week before his first son was born. His young wife is half Korean, not that it matters, but people always want to bring the race card in for political drama. He was standing outside when two Black young men approached him from the darkness and pointed pistols at him. They demanded money and to be let into the apartment. He turned to close the door to protect his wife and child and was shot twice in the back. They were poor shots but nicked an artery. He bled out and died as his young wife watched them run away back into the darkness. He was an artist and musician and song writer and wanted very much to find happiness as he would surely watch his son grow up. You self righteous liberals are sickening to me. You preach tolerance but give the mother the right to murder her children with Abortions. You seem to think it better for criminals to have the rights after they coldbloodedly murder indiscriminately. The pice of trash from Norway that gunned down 77 children is a result of liberal politics like we see in Chicago and New York. Your work is evidence for all to see, except the liberals blinded by their own socialist rhetoric.

Anyone who has read my post before knows that I am no fan of the Right-wing Conservatives either, but this madness of "All or None" politics needs to stop. Stricter laws for the animals that use deadly force during a crime is the answer. Arm the citizens again so that as a gangbanger will think very hard before they go against grandpa. Like the Gray haired man a month ago in a Miami Internet cafe that was being robbed. He came out with a handgun and shot them full of holes. I hope they died from their wounds in an alley two blocks away so the taxpayer was spared the cost of a trial.

The cops in Chicago are more interested in receiving their share of graft squeezed from the public than stopping the crime in Chicago. They earn from the criminals by looking the other way. But let a man shoot a couple of pellets in the direction of a Muslim's Mosque and he is arrested for some outlandish charge. I am guessing he is fearing for his life from both the Muslims and the local police while crack dealers are two blocks away. He was probably beaten severely and would love to read some follow up stories as to whether is is still walking around or not.

I once lived in Chicago and know the city well as well as the culture a, history and street gangs. Corruption is the word that best applies to Chicago.

Lazarus

That is EXACTLY what Mike is SAYING.

What EXACTLY do you believe Mike is SAYING?

I honestly cannot follow the rest of your post. But, it might help if you started in with something other than a pronoun ("that").

DMAN,

In your case ignorance is an excuse. I really like it when the liberals, short of fact and logic, either use the pretense of "Duh, what?", or resort to name calling.

Dead from old age, you are very funny. I would like to know which point you agreed with since I made several towards the major theme of the post. I was speaking about the list of cities and offered different possible assertions as to the reasons why they are so deadly being manily liberal in nature that you hadpreviously responded to with another "DUH?". I have lived in most of these cities and also had the privilage of knowing some very fine people who came from there. some of the people from there were no so fine.

As to my sharing the tragic death of my nephew, I am sorry it was wasted on a cold hearted liberal such as yourself. He was a hero and the point was that two gunthugs, murderers, criminals are allowed to remain on the streets via liberal criminal laws, while citizens are slain by them. Are you clear now? I ask you are you clear now or is simple english too hard for a Canook? Are you from Canada? Most self inflated libs on these gun post are from Canada?

My only regret for liberals is that their mothers were not advocates of Abortion as so many liberals are today. Perhaps that is Darwin's solution for the liberal infestation. LOL

Rspectfully,

Lazarus

UHHHHHH when Obama was an Illinois state senator and a U.S. senator from Illinois, what did he do about violence, gun ownership, gangs, drugs and violent deaths in Illinois and Chicago? 75% of the prison population is black.

Why hasn't Obama looked at Union Prep Charter School from Chicago that sends every black male to a 4 year university????? They do a great job of getting blacks off the streets and making them achieve a good education. Obama threw my letter in the garbage that told him to form a committee and study the curriculum and teaching methods of the20 high schools that get every graduating senior into 4 year universities.

There is a solution and Obama doesn't want to see it or do anything to achieve it.

MOmaid

Chris Wanker--so, heavily restricting the manufacture of guns will eliminate them in this country? Kind of like restricting the growth of poppies has 'eliminated Heroin here'? Or legislating against cocaine has lessened the amount of Cocaine here?

PLEASE think before you spout off. If WE don't make them, some other country will, and will smuggle them in.

What would happen if we made it legal to grow poppies here? Or Coca plants? Or industrial scale marijuana operations? The amount of heroin, cocaine and pot available on the street would explode. Wouldn't you agree? But those ARE illegal which forces them to smuggle the drugs into the country where they run the chance of being caught. So it's logical to assume that by restricting the supply drugs/guns that are made in the US, it would limit the availability of them on the street.

Anyone see fault with my logic?

Larry - I made no personal attacks upon you. I made a quite honest statement, that I could not make head not tails as to what point or points you were making.

You start off with a vague reference to some point Mike [in Delray?] raised in a previous post: "That is EXACTLY what Mike is SAYING.". Evidently I am supposed to know what point is being referenced by the pronoun "that". Sorry, I seem to have misplaced my mind-reader cap.

You speak of the cities I listed as " not traditional Cities where the gun tradition lives.". You reference Chicago and New York, only one of which was among the cities I listed. From there your dissertation departs in so many different directions that I finally gave up trying to make sense of it.

What am I supposed make of such a mishmash of vague, half-completed thoughts?

As to your second post, it is at least comprehensible. You're angry because I dismissed your prior posting as indecipherable.

Sorry if that upset you, but your writing is so disorganized as to be painful to read, regardless of one's ideology.

You have a good day now.

Anyone see fault with my logic?

No, Chris, but your solution will probably not happen any time soon.

I watched Ron Pauls speech at the RNC. To bad he isnt the president.His talking about Freedom and Liberty would fly by many on this Obama site.He talked about the results of our wars,in the middle east and on americans. Try to look his speech up and listen.

I associate the crime in Chicago with democrat controlled citys,with a large minority presence,and restrictive gun laws.And no i dont hate anyone and im a minority myself.Ive been to most big citys in the usa.They all reek with decay and corruption.A good place not to live.Concrete jungles.

Our fearful leaders of our once great nation didnt help with making it popular to ship all the jobs off.Our government suffers from no long term thinking. Ill offer some advice.Buy at least one weapon to protect yourself and your family,i recommend a shotgun,ask for buckshot shotgun shells for it.Get together food and water.Think about what life well be like with no government services.Or stocked stores.Get prepared.

The country is broke and held together with printing money and debt,its a big house of cards waiting to fall.

Richard Lambert: you said: "Jimmy: Wrong on control has never worked. See Europe above. Also your example of Capone...remember "Tommy Guns"? Machine guns "controlled", very noticable impact."

Al Capone was incarcerated in 1931 for Income Tax evasion. The National Firearms Act was in force in 1934. So outlawing the Tommy gun after Al Capone was caught did nothing to stop his gang. They caught him when it was legal to own a Tommy Gun.

There still is a Mafia style organization in Chicago and all large cities and they still would have illegal full autos at their disposal. These are very easy to make if one wants to.

Also owning a firearm is not the issue here. The Black on Black violence is the issue when you look at the "Liberal" city that it is happening in. The same "Liberal" agenda that applies to Planned Parenthood. Thirty-six (36) percent of the annual abortions in this country happen to the 12% black population. Murder and racial profiling is not legal in this country, unless you perpetuate it on the black community and babies.

The Black Community in Chicago have fallen for the "Liberal" agenda, big time, and it is really a shame.

...in quick 20 minute trips to Indiana to purchase them

Since when do criminals care about what is legal?

We could send Ted Nugent with his bow & arrow and Chuck Norris with his round house kick, and Chicago streets would be safe in no time :-)

According to the National Self Defense Survey conducted by Florida State University criminologists in 1994, the rate of Defensive Gun Uses can be projected nationwide to approximately 2.5 million per year -- one Defensive Gun Use every 13 seconds.

Among 15.7% of gun defenders interviewed nationwide during The National Self Defense Survey, the defender believed that someone "almost certainly" would have died had the gun not been used for protection -- a life saved by a privately held gun about once every 1.3 minutes. (In another 14.2% cases, the defender believed someone "probably" would have died if the gun hadn't been used in defense.)

In 83.5% of these successful gun defenses, the attacker either threatened or used force first -- disproving the myth that having a gun available for defense wouldn't make any difference.

In 91.7% of these incidents the defensive use of a gun did not wound or kill the criminal attacker (and the gun defense wouldn't be called "newsworthy" by newspaper or TV news editors). In 64.2% of these gun-defense cases, the police learned of the defense, which means that the media could also find out and report on them if they chose to.

In 73.4% of these gun-defense incidents, the attacker was a stranger to the intended victim. (Defenses against a family member or intimate were rare -- well under 10%.) This disproves the myth that a gun kept for defense will most likely be used against a family member or someone you love.

In over half of these gun defense incidents, the defender was facing two or more attackers -- and three or more attackers in over a quarter of these cases. (No means of defense other than a firearm -- martial arts, pepper spray, or stun guns -- gives a potential victim a decent chance of getting away uninjured when facing multiple attackers.)

In 79.7% of these gun defenses, the defender used a concealable handgun. A quarter of the gun defenses occured in places away from the defender's home.

Source: "Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun," by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, in The Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology, Northwestern University School of Law, Volume 86, Number 1, Fall, 1995

Freakin cess pool of America - and that's where the President comes from - supposedly.

I love how people try and use Chicago's strict gun laws as proof gun control doesn't work. It pretty much doesn't work because you can drive an hour, leave the state, and buy one. It's an all or nothing issue. Either they force all 50 states to follow a set rules equally, or give up fighting a losing battle.

Chris thats illegal.But i imagine selling stolen guns on street corners is popular among criminals.Funny here in arizona we have limited shootings and its easy to buy guns and legal to carry them.Kind of makes people polite and wary when everyone owns guns.

Its been proven in lab rats, that when you pack to many together in a small space they begin fighting and killing each other...inner city of chicago is no different, you have LOTS of people crammed into poor housing with no jobs, gangs, drugs, throw in a hot summer when everyone is out on streets, a perfect storm for violence...

Coyotehunter: That is a fact. It sounds almost like this could have been orchestrated for someone's agenda. Could it be?

That is a fact. It sounds almost like this could have been orchestrated for someone's agenda. Could it be?

Sure, if you're a conspiracy nut.

Martial law coming to a broke city near you soon.

"What are you saying there, mike, that the crime problem all relates to the democratic party?Or is it the lack of guns?I'm trying to get a handle on which "magic solution" you and others are advocating, as it seems to change depending on the moment and what logical fallacy you are asked to address."

Perhaps part of the solution will be found by not hand wringing and blaming each other. Strangely, we keep going back to these inner city communities and looking at the unwed teenage moms, welfare families, drug dealers, gangbangers, absentee families and then asking ourselves, "what are WE going to do about it? How are WE failing these people? How did WE do this to them? The question should be: What are THEY going to do about their issues? They have the community organizers, activists, teachers, and hundreds in millions of aid. This is reaching a Haiti level of absurdity. Haiti owes its present state of affairs partially to a colonial past. The rest of their current situation is down to corruption and an attitude that "some else will fix it." Years after the earthquake, one can see the same rubble sitting outside of the same tents. Hundreds in millions in aid and one would think that they expect us to go down there and move the rubble for them and pick up the trash as well. In both cases, there is only so much that the well intended can do. I see pictures of Detroit and Camden with trash yards from someone's front doorstep. Like the proverbial "broken window" of policing, it starts there. If you don't care about even your front doorstep, then how can you care about your street, neighborhood or town?

I am firmly for putting the burden of responsibility back on those who are responsible for this state of affairs. Stop listening to the tired refrain of "white flight", "industry moving" etc which have a shelf-life of one to two generations only. After 4-5 generations, this is not something that I am going to put on a hair shirt and say, Mea culpa" for any longer.

I don't know, I'm pretty sure Chicago outlawed conservatives, along with bibles a long time ago. This sounds more like a "Gang" Type Liberal. But no worries, the dead shall live on to vote with assistance of ACORN.

Sean...I am pretty sure that was meant as a sarcastic comment in response to what Obama actually said about people clutching to their bibles and guns.

;) I'm pretty sure also. I was just continuing the sarcasm.

The folks in Chicago are doing a lot better than the NYPD, who only killed one (the murderer who pointed a gun at them) and wounded nine - not sure if this is due to the shooting accuracy, or the quality of emergency medical care. There are probably many parts of Chicago that are too dangerous for the EMTs to venture there.

Having grown up in Chicago, there has always been violence, this is the end result of a Nation that spends BILLIONS of Dollars on war machines, but fails to invest in those that need help with literacy, education, and good schools. It makes we wonder, how can we have so much money to spend on building prisons, but kids have to get student loans, we can make armored vehicles that cost Billions, but Teachers have to pay for their own school supplies, until America makes a truthful and valid effort to end poverty and ignorance, there will be those that commit crimes and kill without remorse. Wake up America the war in Afghanistan does not have a damn thing to do with the wars being fought on the streets of American cities especially my Chicago.. Where is the outrage over Government spending? ask yourself and ask your local elected officials what are they doing on capitol hill besides having meetings and running for re election. Schools fail the kids and the kids fail society, again ask yourself one never needs to apply for a loan to go to prison or jail but the costs of incarceration are three to five times that of a college education, if America wants to end the violence they would, but why do that $35,000 a year in Government funds per inmate is way more lucrative than $4500 per semester for an education!! Nate K

ThaIrish - good points, but education in and of itself will not end violence. The only true and lasting change for any person is a heart transplant given by Jesus Christ. When a person realizes and admits that they are lost and need the Savior, this is the beginning of life.

Be nice if theyre parents taught them right from wrong.

Handguns have been legal in Chicago since 2010. This was made possible by a landmark Supreme Court decision that cemented the 2nd amendment. I hate to hear rhetoric about Obama taking away guns, it's not possible due to rulings like this and a couple of others in the last few years.

De jure they are legal...as de jure is defined. De facto they remain illegal. Out of millions of residents approximately 4,000 "permits" have been given since the 2010 decision. Truly handguns remain illegal...in the strict defintion...in Chicago. Well, illegal for "the people"...not the criminals.

I know this may sound stupid........but why not OUTLAW GANGS!

Menoseeno -

Well if you did that...then you would commit the ultimate sin, you would be profiling. And that of course, would obviously mean that you are a racist.

ceo...AND iy would cost the DIMS a LOT of votes in Chicago and Illinois....Remember, the more victims from Gangsta' murders the more votes for Obozo in November. BTW, where the hell is WITH-Holder in all this mess??? Wonder if any of the fast and Furious guns have shown up in Chicago???

Homeowner defends himself against naked intruder, The Milford Mirror, Milford, Conn. 07/23/12, The New Haven Register, New Haven, Conn. 07/27/12

ceo-722851 Ignorance shows no color I see. Which gang might you be addressing. Never mind. I know you must not get out much.

Sword-wielding robber thwarted at restaurant, The Las Vegas Review Journal, Las Vegas, Nev. 08/21/12

A masked man armed with a samurai sword entered a Dairy Queen in Las Vegas, Nev. and attempted to rob the store. 20-year-old Michael Wehbe was working the cash register when the armed robber began hacking at it with the sword and demanding money. The clerk’s brother, 23-year-old Christian Wehbe, was in the back of the store, but when he saw the criminal on a surveillance camera he retrieved a 9mm pistol and rushed to help his brother. Once in the front of the store, Christian shot the robber, who later died at a local hospital. (The Las Vegas Review Journal, Las Vegas, Nev. 08/21/12) GOOD GUYS 1 SCUM 0.

Yes,

And I once saw a man mauled by a Grizzli bear AND a Polar bear in the SAME day! What does that prove to the general public ImNoIdiot (just maybe)?

Cool. Thanks for the info. I had no idea that Mitt the Twit was experienced at anything other than talking out both sides of his mouth.

you must mean Mittins huh?

Martha, your medicine is not really working. Try another.

ALL politicians talk out both sides of their @sses. Their heads seem to be lodged in them. All parties suffer from this illness or heightened sense of motivation to get it in there. Gang violence with unregistered guns.............what else is new and news. MSNBC and FOX both suck equally, right along with every other media outlet. Face it.

Raspuking. You medication isn't working either.

Yeah--I'm sure THAT will fix the gang violence in Chicago.

Anybody taking any bets on the Obama's EVER going back to Chicago to live when he is no longer pres? (whenever that happens?)

When Obama loses the election he will be returning to Chicago to work with Rahm to ban gang bangers from the city and reorganize ACORN. Hello pot, meet kettle.

When Obama loses the election he will be returning to Chicago to work with Rahm to ban gang bangers from the city and reorganize ACORN. Hello pot, meet kettle.

Actually he will be working with Rahm to help keep those evil Chik Fil A restaurants out of Chicago, He will not do anything about the gangs and gang violence because they do not matter to him as he already has the black vote

After giving that some thought he will probably not worry about the Chik Fil A's either because having lost the election he will simply have no further need of the LGBT community and he will throw them under the bus just like he has done to the black community.

Red turbans against blue turbans?

Most likely Black turbans on Black turbans in our case

Really, where do you get your facts? Fox of course.

Raspuking, you should try suicide.

fre typical lib, you by the way just broke the a major rule on newsvine and should be banned.

I've seem repubs get banned for less. Lets see if that happens!

So far, Rahm's request that the gang bangers restrict themselves to killing each other is working like a charm.

why ? only white people hunt down black people and shoot them likes dogs.Black kids are the shining example of great american law abideing youth . what a bunch of ill informed people. must be rachel Maddow fans.

Jesse won't pop up for this...."cause the press will ask him about his soon to be put in Jail son Jesse Jr. You know Jesse Jr. is currently hiding out at the Mayo clinic with "depression" lol.

In jail?

Violent crime has gone down as gun laws have been liberalized. That's why today 49 states allow conceal carry and over half have stand your ground laws.

It's the places that still have strict controls that are still suffering. If they want to share in the lower crime numbers they have to get with the program and allow conceal carry.

You got that right!

cuz in chicago they know about sharpton and jesse. they all tell jesse to 'GET YOUR HAND OUT MY POCKET!" so them fools stay out.

Even if you buy a gun from a dealer out of state, it has to be transferred to a dealer in-state and all state laws have to be followed. You still have to go through the National Instant Check System, provide identification, and if required, go through your standard waiting period and have a purchase permit or concealed carry permit to buy it.

Not if you're a criminal. If you are a criminal you don't care who you steal or buy your guns from. Gun control only works for honest, law abiding citizens, criminals could care less about laws or rules or regulations.

That's actually pretty rare, you have to hit a major artery to die from an extremity shot.

Nothing new here in chicago, been going on for decades. Will never change either. That's why it was called white flight. White folks continue to move west from the city. Its a disaster down there.

DITTO!!!!

Montana - Don't forget they are giving out FREE cell phones throughout the west and south sides of Chicago, all you have to do is just show them your on welfare ie section 8 housing, link, or any other government subsidy and you get your free cell phone.

Bill.........Think you missed one more obvious........GUNS!

In case you haven't noticed shootings have been happening all over the world. Don't forget, many countries aren't much bigger than one average state here.

We do have a drug problem and perhaps it's time to decriminalize marijuana nationally. Making it illegal has had the same effect as prohibition, creating crime cartels.

This is as of 8/16/2012

2012 Body Counts

L.A.: 174
Chicago: 346

NYC: 246
Baltimore: 128

St. Louis: 79
Philly: 223

NOLA: 120
Detroit: 220

HEY! HEY! Chicago's winning!!!!

There are more GANG BANGERS IN ILLINOIS per capita than any other state in America.

(FBI)

as a citizen of Florida...I take offense that you haven't included the totals from Miami on this list

yea but we get the Murder capitol of the world. We try harder.

Well that's a pathetic lie. This is one of the safest places on earth, if you don't believe it go down to Mexico where they have a total gun ban and hang out around one of the border towns. I'd recommend the one near where they found all those headless bodies for starters.

WallSt: While we do have more people incarcerated per capita, you should look at WHY they are incarcerated. Most are not rapists and killers. We have too many violent, aggressive people, however as Valhalla points out, that is not the norm. However, if we keep allowing this kind of behavior, we could get there. America is still far safer than many countries. I guess you haven't traveled much.

We do have a violence problem, but we are not the only country with issues. At least we have options in most states and can defend ourselves.

I highly doubt China, Korea, Singapore and Taiwan report true homicide rates, having seen the number of guns in those countries while traveling. Even the airports have soldiers all around the passenger and boarding areas that are armed with automatic rifles. Japan did also at the airports, though not as many.

I believe in self defense in whatever means necessary. If that means getting a concealed license or whatever. I will protect my loved ones, neighbors, & fellow Americans. Only things I ever see get shot so far are targets (for practice), skunks, snakes, coyotes and wild pigs.

If everyone carried that legally could, the entire United States would be much safer. In my opinion.

It is safe to say that America is a nation of rapists and killers.

As bad as it is in the urban centers of the US - and it is really, really bad, by any standards - South Africa still stands as the Rape (and that includes child rape) Capital of the World

...and I'm certain that their murder rate is right up there, as well

Dont put Americans in the same catagorie as ignorant black kids whose mamas are crack heads and they dont even know who they dede is. there the ones killing peole like its a goddam video game. thats all they know.

deb-3232690

The only advice I have. Vote early, you might not be here later on.

Deb when has being "dead" stopped people from voting?? It's Chicago lol!

How's that gun control working for all you Chicago folk? And Iowa is right on the money. Chicago is the birthplace of voting rights for the deceased - it's almost law. But then, having to have an ID to vote would be a killer, just like the Mexican drug cartels.

Just another normal day in the USA gun free Chicago.

Homeowner kills home invader, The Herald, Everett, Wash. 07/25/12
A man was asleep in his Everett, Wash. home when he was awakened by the sound of breaking glass. The homeowner retrieved a .38-caliber revolver, went to investigate and discovered a man armed with a hammer climbing through a kitchen window. The homeowner shot and killed the home invader. Investigators made clear that they do not plan to charge the homeowner, with Prosecuting Attorney Mark Roe explaining, “We are quite certain that a jury would conclude that the shooting was justifiable self-defense.” Police also noted that the deceased criminal was a suspect in a January burglary investigation.

So you think only a gun would have solved that problem? A gun in every conflict is the mark of a coward!

I do not believe that would solve very much of anything. While I do not agree with everything concerning the National Rifle Association, I do believe in the individuals right to protect themselves. This would only assist the criminals as they will get the ammunition, while making it harder and more expensive for the law abiding citizens.

"That is the only way the shootings will stop"....... like in Germany and Cuba and China and Cambodia and everywhere else where guns were confiscated.

Where are you getting this data from about these other countries?