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Steve Ruark / AP
Tracie Bradford, of Perry Hall, Md., consoles her daughter Leah, a student at Perry Hall High School who says she was in the school's cafeteria when a student was shot there and critically wounded on Monday in Perry Hall, Md.
Updated at 5:54 p.m. ET: A Baltimore County, Md., high school student opened fire Monday in the school cafeteria on the first day of classes, critically injuring a classmate before he was rushed and subdued by teachers, authorities said.
The 15-year-old suspect was taken into custody. Police said the teen was cooperating with investigators.
Police said they didn’t believe the victim, a 17-year-old male, was targeted by the shooter, who is also a student at Perry Hall High School in Perry Hall, Md. Police recovered the firearm, but would not say what type of weapon it was.
Baltimore County Police Chief James Johnson said the suspect acted alone. During a press conference in Perry Hall, Johnson did not answer numerous questions from reporters about a possible motive.
Johnson said at about 10:45 a.m., a student walked into the cafeteria and pulled out a gun. He fired one shot before being rushed by teachers, and another shot went off as teachers grabbed him, Johnson said.
Miranda Wienecke, a junior at the high school, said she saw the suspect with a "huge black thing." "I saw people getting under the table," Wienecke told The Baltimore Sun. "Then I saw people running. We heard this huge boom, then there was another one, everything happened very fast."
Kelsey Long, another junior at Perry Hall, said she was in the cafeteria when she heard gunshots. "I heard a loud popping noise and we thought it was someone popping a bag, but then we heard it again and everyone started screaming and ran out to the front of the school," Long told The Associated Press in a Twitter message.
Another student who didn't want to be identified said everyone then started running. "There was no thinking. I just ran. There was nothing I could do," the student told WBAL-TV. "As soon as I hit the front door, I saw people going out the side door. This one girl was on the ground getting stepped on."
Steve Ruark / AP
A Baltimore County police officer speaks to a parent as students are evacuated from Perry Hall High School on the first day of classes, Aug. 27, 2012, in Perry Hall, Md.
Police said several other students suffered minor, non-shooting injuries during the incident.
"We have some heroic and brave faculty members," Schools Superintendent Dallas Dance told the AP. "They responded very quickly to minimize damage."
The school was evacuated, and students were escorted to a nearby shopping center and middle school.
WJZ-TV showed video of a shirtless male with his hands behind his back being put into a police cruiser.
Perry Hall is a middle-class community along the Interstate 95 corridor, northeast of Baltimore city. The school is the largest in the county, with 2,200 students.
County Councilman David Marks, who lives next door to the school, told The Associated Press he had received dozens of phone calls and text messages from worried parents and residents. "This is a very comfortable, very safe community, and it's an excellent high school," said Marks, who graduated from Perry Hall. "I think this is an aberration, but clearly one that is horrifying, particularly on the first day of school."
Television coverage showed scores of police cars surrounding the school and parked on neighborhood streets. A group of officers with weapons drawn staked out a corner of the building, one of them lying prone on the ground and appearing to cover a particular area of the campus. Hundreds of students streamed away from the school toward a nearby shopping center where they met their parents.
Cathy Le, 15, said students were panicking as they tried to find out what was happening, texting and calling each other frantically as they waited in lockdown.
Le said she and other students were locked in their classrooms for more than an hour.
At the scene, buses, emergency vehicles and parents in cars filled the roadway between the high school and the shopping center. There were obvious signs of relief displayed as parents found their children.
Kristin Kraus, whose son James attends the school, described hearing about the shooting as "absolute terror." However, Kraus said, "within a couple of minutes he texted my husband that he was OK."
Steve Ruark / AP
Parents wait to reunite with their children after a student was shot and critically wounded.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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And so begins another school year in the USA. We need to fix this.
What has the world come to? To get a day off, we used to call in fake bomb threats, now they just shoot each other...
Are there ANY parents left in this country with ANY parenting skills to guide their children through anger management events, and at the same time teach courtesy,and respect for others?
Good grief!
Annie, most of the adults on this country can't manage their anger, so our kids are on their own.
Annie - they removed those "Humanities" programs from the schools in favor of Football. You've got to have prioroties!
Jock --- Does it not makes sense not to hand over ANY personal power to SOMEONE ELSE? Does it not make sense to preserve one's own destiny rather than destroy it with this utter nonsense so early on???
Forget bad parenting then......."has everyone eaten the insane root that takes reason prisoner"? ? ?
(Shakespeare)
No, Steve, they removed the "Humanities" programs in favor of affoding more teacher's helpers who could translate English to Spanish.
How can parents parent when they can't even get their own act together or they are too selfish wrapped up in their own worlds? I see so many parents that are pill poppers or drunks, its a national disgrace. Video games are raising the youth of today. So let them load their weapons, and when someone crosses their eyes at them and hurts their fragile feelings, you just shoot? Whatever happened to just telling the perpetrator to meet them in the parking lot and hash it out with their hands? That's what we did when we were kids. Plus work in that fact that you really can't discipline your kids anymore without some type of involvement from the police, teachers, CPS or DYFS, etc. Not talking about abuse either, that is in its own league. I'm talking about just simple discipline. With all of these worthless programs out there, they do not one bit of good for anyone, nor are they teaching us anything. CPS where I live is about the biggest joke and worthless to the real taxpayers. They do absolutely nothing for families.
screminmimi: You hit the nail on the head. School programs are being gouged to accomodate bilingualism. And not just any bilinguilism; Hispanic to more accurate. Why does America continue to cater to this one demographic? We have people come from all over the world to live here and they learn English on thier own. Why is it so difficult for Hispanic's to learn English? Are they really that slow and ignorant? Heck, our government even allows "illegal Hispanic immigrants" to have thier own bus tour across this great country and not do a damn thing about it. Enough is enough already! Back to basics; follow the laws, learn the language of the land, respect each other.
Simple reason why they cater, dman......votes!!
Looks like that kids said "enough is enough" and coped the only way he knew how. Sad.
There is a big difference between teasing and bullying.
I think bullies everywhere need to take examples like these into consideration when they set out to torment another human being day after day. The consequences of bullying today need to be taken more seriously, whether the result is school violence, or even the suicide of their victim.
Teasing on the other hand is something that I consider less severe. Friends tease each other, even family members tease each other. If it was a matter of an isolated, passing comment between 2 students, then yes the shooter had serious anger mgmt issues.
I know it sounds callous, but when you continuously break down another person who is alone and helpless then eventually something's gotta give. Death may not be a deserving punishment, but to not expect any sort of backlash is simply arrogance and naivety on the part of the bully.
At the same time, people should be able to have a one-off, non-violent confrontation with other people without fear of being shot. When I first moved to the city and realized what a-holes the drivers were around me, it made me even more angry to know if I honked my horn or flipped them the bird it was grounds for me getting a cap in my a$$. What crap! It's one thing to have to deal with that in the ghetto, but a middle-class, white bread town???? THAT is truly a sign of messed up society!
CdB - It is SO EASY to proclaim, "We need to fix this." Simply saying this DOES NOTHING. Unless you are prepared to say EXACTLY what the problem is (this includes underlying causes), and prescribe reasonable remedies, you just wasted your time replying to this topic.
You can't say exactly what the cause is because it is different in every case. No one explanation will suffice.
With this being the first day of class, it sounds to me, in my opinion, that the shooter knew he was going to be tormented/bullied at school and came prepared. No, it wasn't the right thing to do, obviously, but I think he had steeled himself that he wasn't going to be bullied anymore and took things a bit too far.
NEA, it's just this country for the most part. Not the world.
Now here's a hero. Why wasn't this quote part of the MSNBC story?
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/08/27/shooting-reported-in-perry-hall-high-schools-cafeteria/?hpt=hp_t3
This is never going to change until parents start teaching kids to not be world class @!$%#s. I understand that the kid shouldn't have been shot, BUT if he would have kept his mouth closed, and not picked on this kid he would have gone about his day. Guns aren't going anywhere, so maybe kids should stop picking on other kids.
Geez, the victim was a special needs kid who was randomly shot, not an intended victim.
How was this kid allowed to get into the school and to the cafeteria with a shotgun. This is not a weapon you can hide under your shirt or in a backpack. The kid apparently had the shotgun close by, i.e already at the school. I do not expect their to be searches of students, but it would be pretty hard to get a shotgun into a school building without someone seeing it. This is not some inner city high school, this is a suburban high school where the kid would have had to walk out in the open with the shotgun to get it into the school. Was everyone at the school asleep?!?! This is something that this kid must have planned to do. I do not think that this had nothing to do with this kid being teased, this sounds more like it was premeditated act.
JS in SD- I wondered the same exact thing!
@DMAN:
Question: "School programs are being gouged to accomodate bilingualism. And not just any bilinguilism; Hispanic to more accurate. Why does America continue to cater to this one demographic?"
Answer: LIBERALS.
Well, clearly it's been pretty difficult for you to learn English, too. (Improper use of apostrophe.) Nice try, though.
School programs are being gouged by conservatives, who prefer to spend money on defense instead.
Anyway, how the hell did this kid get a shotgun into the school without anyone noticing?!
What has this to do with the rest of the story? Absolutely nothing.
I agree with those who say Parents are not teaching their children. But I will additionally say those same Parents are keeping schools from being able to give the kids the discipline they need as well. If I were a Parent with kids and guns in the household, I would know for sure where those guns were at all times. (Under lock and key)
Well, clearly it's been pretty difficult for you to learn English, too. (Improper use of apostrophe.) Nice try, though. Pretty sanctimonious of you...Feeling above the fray as a snooty lib?
School programs are being gouged by conservatives, who prefer to spend money on defense instead. Tell me that AFTER some terrorist sticks his gun in any of your several body entrances.
These kids are being programmed by the images they've been digesting since being born of violence. Where else did they learn it?
Annie-322924 - The problem is that we're going into our fourth generation of coddled little snot-nosed sh*ts who were never properly parented to begin with. With no role models to show them and tell them how to "be a man" or "be a woman", they merely perpetuate the bad examples of the previous generation they grew up under. Parents nowadays want to be "friends" with their kids because they're too lazy to stand up for morals and values. It sickens me EVERYDAY as the news is full of idiots and morons who clearly were not raised the way children once were.
Amen Annie!
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CdB-1216168
"And so begins another school year in the USA. We need to fix this."
I agree, "we" need to fix this. How do you propose doing this? We have realized that this is not exclusive to one single socio-economic group within our country. We know that are schools are broke and broken. We know that the nuclear unit; the "American Family" is dissolving at an increasing and escalating rate. We know this. We also know that there are more events, not as drastic as this, happening daily across our country, and going unreported. We need to fix that. We know that "hate" and "hatred" is a daily occurrence; a perfect example is to read just some of the interaction within the posts right here. This is all so very sad, heart breaking. We are loosing our best and brightest; little children. One group whose work I have followed and consider to be worthy of support is Focus Adolescent Services, Focusas.com. For decades they have worked to save the lives of American children. I agree, we need to fix this, and help those who are working daily to do this. We need to do this before our hearts grow cold due to the increasing frequency of such tragedies.
Just like the guy that worked at the Empire State bldg and got shot for relentless torture of a fellow worker...this guy got what was coming to him.
Maybe I read a different article than some of you, because in the article above I didn't read any mention that the kid in question was shooting because he was bullied. The article even went as far as to say that the teachers didn't believe the kid shot was targeted, but was just random. If I'm reading this wrong, please let me know, however, I don't think I am. That puts all the "he was bullied, poor baby" comments to rest. Until we know more, maybe we shouldn't feel sorry for him. And actually, even if he was being bullied, I wouldn't feel sorry for him as a shooter. I would feel sorry for him as a person, but nothing gives a student the right to come to school armed and to start shooting. NOTHING! I was in a school shooting when I was an 8th grader. He came into a classroom and killed 2 students and a teacher because he was being bullied. The teacher he killed was one of the sweetest teachers at our school. Several other students were injured including a friend of mine. She had absolutely nothing to do with his allegedly feeling bullied, yet she was a victim. She was shot through the arm and had months and months of physical therapy plus psychological therapy to go through. She was constantly having flashbacks and was afraid sometimes to go to school. She and her family transfered school districts and schools to get her into a healthier environment. No, I don't feel sorry for anyone who brings a gun in to deal with their problems.
This has literally nothing to do with bilingualism. This has to do with being raised by parents that think that violence is manly; that violence is the way to take care of problems. And parents that allow their little bastards to pick on others b/c "boys will be boys". Welcome to the masculinization of America. That's what it's wrought. Violence, death and mayhem.
Nobody knows why this shooter did what he did, but I do know that this Generation "Z" is going to have it tough for some time. They are the offspring of the Baby Boomers kids that were never spanked because that wasn't the right thing to do. BS, I got plenty of paddles and whipped by the /Razor belt as a kid and it probably was the best thing for me. At the time it didn't feel so great and I hated my dad and Grandpa for doing it, but now I understand what they were doing. That my freind was not child abuse. They were sparring me from things down the road that I didn't understand at the time but now I do. It is called consequences. The kids today have no consequenses. I say bring back the paddle and razor straps and a society that covets marriages. My parents have just celebrated their 60th wedding anniversary and I am proud to say that yes my dad spanked my butt when I did stupid stuff and my mom washed out my mouth with soap when I cussed. But you know what I am a better person because of their discipline. One more Key note: A family that prays together stays together.
Who said it was a shotgun? "Police recovered the firearm, but would not say what type of weapon it was." Also, there was nothing said in the article about bullying. Why do posters feel the need to make up their own facts? What I do find appauling is a student got into the school with a weapon and managed to shoot someone else. I can't wait to hear the motive for this one. I am very glad too that I don't have kids in school anymore. It must be pure hell on the parents when they hear this and know their kids are in that very school.
Why? I just don't understand...
Should be a student ambassador program and student guides should be chosen from a lottery. Each ambassador should be assigned a teacher for guidance and given extra credit. The ambassadors job would be to introduce new students to programs and people that are healthy to a good learning environment and outlet for challenges that a new student might face. I think a lot of successful school systems already have programs like that.
why was the race of shooter not disclosed?
Because it doesn't matter. What's the difference?
You know MSNBC will nor disclose the race unless the shooter is white. I am certain ABC's Brian Ross is already looking for a Tea Party connection.
BTW. The shooter is African American male. You don't think these inner city thugs go to school for an education do you?
Dear proudamericanveteran
Did the "inner city thugs" at Columbine go to school for an education?
Race?! It said he was shirtless. That means you can't trust boys without shirts. Round 'em all up. (fools!)
But apparently it is extra important for conservatives to emphasize when a shooter is black.
Unfortunately, far too many kids nowadays don't go to school for the purpose of getting the best (or any) education they can, and the parents are right there with them, doing nothing to improve the situation.
MSNBC will only point out the race if it is a white person, because they want to portray white people as evil. Since they did not point out the race, the shooter was probably a non-white person.
"they want to portray white people as evil" And, why exactly would they want to do that Nimrod?
Believe me, many of the blacks at the school where I teach treat me like $hit because I'm white. No respect, totally different than the way they act towards the black staff.
I checked Foxnews bit, and they didn't tell the race, too. Damn liberals.
proudamericanveteran
You know MSNBC will nor disclose the race unless the shooter is white. I am certain ABC's Brian Ross is already looking for a Tea Party connection.
BTW. The shooter is African American male. You don't think these inner city thugs go to school for an education do you?
Perry Hall high school is not an inner city school. Pretty far from it, actually. Do your research. Read the article in its entirety. It is located in Baltimore COUNTY. Not City. How very presumptuous of you. And it doesn't matter what the shooter looked like. Everything is not political.
What do you mean foxnews did not tell. Technically its true its not in the text...written by the AP... but the video is very obvious.
Stupid whites and blacks shooting it up..................Good thing not other race will shoot up a place..............(For those who have comprehension deficit, /Sarc)
The kid (shooter) is white, not African-American. proudamericanveteran is a troll and adds comments just to incite. IF he could read, he would have seen that the school is in a middle-class neighborhood in Baltimore COUNTY - not in the inner city.
I just looked at the kid's Facebook page. He's white.
and how did you know his name to look it up?
Because he was white? we all know race suddenly becomes irrelevant when white people commit crimes.
he's black. I just saw him.
Not that it matters, but saw him where? I live less than 4 miles from that high school, and on the news a fellow student described him as a male with pale long blonde hair. Guess he could have been mistaken.
Repubtard Talking Point:
Clearly the students should have been armed. All schools should issue guns to students on the first day. This was preventable.
Exactly. If we don't give all students guns, then only the "bad" kids will have guns.
Well apparently the liberal "just put up a sign" didn't work here. Maybe the shooter could not read the Gun-free, drug free zone sign.
What a great society the liberals have created. Everyone is entitled and if offended, murder is justified.
When the kid came in with the shotgun all 100 students in the cafeteria could pull out their weapons and stare him down. (Like that ever works....see NYC Empire State Bldg shooter).
"proudamerican" - even you must know how hateful you are being, so I guess that's how you want it. To randomly claim anyone thinks murder is justified is about as low as you can go.
And you know it.
proudamerican - you claim its the society liberals created - that murder is justified if anyone is offended
of course in your society - murder is justified as well since everyone would have guns and then would kill the person who was threatening someone else with a gun..
don't blame just one side - both sides have the blame
murder is never justified for any reason nor should anyone think it is
proudamerican would like to go back to the conservative days where lynching a black man for dating a white girl was to be expected and approved. Hopefully you'll find your justified person too.
I guess you make yourself feel better by spreading that tired old leftist lie that conservatives want everyone armed. Nothing could be further from the truth. Gun owners simply want to protect their right to own guns--in other words, everyone who is a law abiding citizen should not be hindered from owning firearms. The fact that you harbor so much fear and resentment towards an inanimate object probably means that you would not make a very responsible gun owner. The last thing that responsible gun owners want is a clown-posse of limp wristed lefties experiencing premature ejectile syndrome. This would be at least as dangerous as the current problem of criminals eschewing the law and posessing firearms. I hope this clears it up for you.
AlBundymwc
Repubtard Talking Point:
Clearly the students should have been armed. All schools should issue guns to students on the first day. This was preventable.
It's obvious you're not that much different from them reputards.
Well Godbless, would that be any different than Republicans who want those same 'inanimate objects' as replacements for their erectile problems, you know, like Monster trucks?
It's Baltimore. You have to have served time there to understand.
Umm no, this is suburban baltimore, about 20 miles from the city. I went to that high school and I can assure you it's not inner city at all.
It's education, you really have to serve time to understand.
1. this is what happens when school starts before Labor Day.
2. this is what happens when you bully/tease the wrong person one to many times.
3. in spite of 1 and 2, shooting them is still not right.
If the kid lives, perhaps he will have learned the lesson his parents failed to teach. My kids were never allowed to tease or bully this will continue as long as these animals continue breeding without parenting.
Hey, hey, animals breed without parenting, and they're all just fine. Don't associate these turds to animals.
Bullying? It was the first day of school. Perhaps he was cyber-bullied during vacation. Hmmm...with all the attention given to bullying in the last year, he should have gotten the message that there are avenues to express his feelings. Well, he had his chance. He wanted to make a statement, and that is it. Now he should be sent away for 20-30 and not heard from again. Let that be the message to wannabe school shooters who want to express their "teen angst": hurt innocents and you go away forever and are forgotten. No creepy fan base for you, no internet shrines etc. Across America kids need to learn that they will get 30 seconds on the nightly news, called a "scumbag" and then get jailed. I'm tired of being asked to empathize with any teen who takes out their "frustrations" on the innocent.
Again, I'm having a hard time finding where in the article it says that the kid had been bullied. According to the article, they did not mention the motive. Plus, they said they did not believe that the victim was targeted. It appeared to be random.
"Police said they didn’t believe the victim, a 17-year-old male, was targeted by the shooter, who is also a student at Perry Hall High School in Perry Hall. During a press conference in Perry Hall, Johnson did not answer numerous questions from reporters about a possible motive."
A kid got shot by another kid, after being teased, according to the article. No mention of race. No mention of political affiliation. As Sam said; it doesn't matter. Completely irrelevant to the subject matter at hand. How sad is it that you come from way out of left field with race or political affiliation when, if anything at all, the subject of the harmful effects of bullying is paramount to this article?
they didn't come out of left field it was right field
According to what article? This article doesn't mention the kid being teased or bullied. I've read through it several times now looking for that specifically. It was also the first day of school. What, he brought a gun to school just in case someone decided to tease him??? This is from the article:
Police said they didn’t believe the victim, a 17-year-old male, was targeted by the shooter, who is also a student at Perry Hall High School in Perry Hall.
During a press conference in Perry Hall, Johnson did not answer numerous questions from reporters about a possible motive.
So, where did it say that this was motivated because he was teased? Not in this article.
OK. The libtard and repubtards have posted their token comments. Now, can one of the bleeding hearts post the usual "my heart goes out to the victim" or "my thougths and prayers are with the victim's family" message and then we can move on.
And you don't think that? What kind of person doesn't have empathy with a child who has been shot?
My heart goes out to the victim.
ok.. so now we're supposed to move on to what ?
this "moving on" really hasn't solved anything.. except to bury it under the rug and hope it doesn't happen again..
which is probably the worst thing to do.. so maybe this time we should try coming up with a solution ?
of course that will take quite awhile until both sides agree on something... so i definitely understand the frustration already ...
so what do we do ?
to the next shooting we go...............................................
unfortunately you are probably correct.. so in the end, nothing is solved, no one compromises, everyone stays stubborn and more innocent people die..
To the ignorant "proudamericanveteran" - Perry Hall High School is in Baltimore County, not Baltimore City. It is a middle to upper class suburban neighborhood, the school has a predominantly white population. Not too many "black thugs from the inner city" walking the halls of a school outside of their district. Mind you, school shooters tend to be white.
proudamericanveteran can't help being a hillbilly. It is the one thing that can't be outsourced from him.
Jbcma, please don't confuse people like "proudamericanveteran" with facts. It makes their poor tiny heads hurt.
apparently there was at least one black thug at the "upper class suburban" "predominantly white population" high school as they have a picture of him in handcuffs.
Perry Hall is anything but upper class. In fact in recent years, it's been kind of a @!$%# hole...
White kids tend to shoot at schools, but the black ones tend to shoot other people everywhere else.
"apparently there was at least one black thug"
No, no, you got it all wrong. The thug got shot....................the idiot is in handcuffs...........................
White kids tend to shoot at schools, but the black ones tend to shoot other people everywhere else.
Thanks for the info: That was might White of you.
Jbcma;
You haven't been to Perry Hall lately, have you?
It`s not exactly Mayberry RFD anymore...
Nicole Woodman
White kids tend to shoot at schools, but the black ones tend to shoot other people everywhere else.
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You must be overflow from the Great Fox News Forum Exodus. Only a conservaturd would post such insane drivel.
I find it ridiculous how they're not mentioning this on the news!
duh, you just about it read it on a news site.
WAIT A MINUTE !!! A SHOTGUN !?!
Not a handgun, NOT a mis-identified "assault weapon". Dang-it. The kid could have at least had the decency to have used one of the weapons targeted for "gun control" by the left-wing anti-gun nut-jobs...................
Gonna have to re-classify shotguns now.
We all know that shooters can't be white...Oh wait, seems they can be based on the last few weeks of shootings. Simply another attempt to try and justify one nut shooting someone. Race means nothing in these events.
Sure it does, first one to the exit usually don't get shot. oh, you meant that race, oops nevermind then.
My sincere condolences to the victim of this senseless act and I hope a speedy and full recovery.
eh.................was the victim the bully, if so...........whatever, if not, make new friends.
The victim wasnt the bully. Apparently the bully wasnt still in that area of the cafeteria by the time the shooter got back w/ the shotgun, so he fired a shot and hit another kid. Unknown if they had run-ins before. It coulda been a case of "Damn, my target isnt here but you're just as much of a d*ck so here's one for you".
Too bad he didnt get the initial bully. Some need to learn their actions have consequences.
Seriously, where are you getting your information? After reading and re-reading this article, there is not a single mention of a bully. Tommy, if you are just getting your info from this article, then that's a huge fabrication on your part. If you are getting your info elsewhere, please put your source.
Perhaps it was from the local news where it was 1st reported (I used to live nearby but have since moved another 30 miles away)... The shooter was getting bullied in the cafeteria, got fed up, said "I'll kill you", left school and came back to the cafeteria with a shotgun
Apparently YOU never did. You don't even kniow the correct location.
CBS baltimore news shows a photo of the shooter being put into the police car.
I guess from me being a member for only a few months it won't let me post a link.
Kids have got to quit bullying. Period. Think you you bully or pick on someone...do I want to get shot...that what it's coming to!
I live in a small town called Murrieta, Ca. Its suppose to be safe and a week ago the FBI found and arrested 2 kids that were going to go to the HS here and shoot people.... Now i hear about this... WHAT is the world coming too. I feel so sorry for the victims. And one one hand i feel sorry that this kid was picked on but he needs to know that KILLING people isnt the answer.. Why kids think it is, is beyond me. I think its time to invest in a bullet proof backpack for my kids safety or start home schooling them.
This is how it starts. Kids should be taught to be careful of who they bully or tease. They don't know if their victim will come back and put a bullet in their head.
It didn't take 3 posts before everybody started badmouthing everybody. Apparently the shooter was the victim of some kind of cruel "teasing", which maybe he had endured in the previous semester.
1. There should not be any unsecured guns in homes with kids.
2. School administrators and parents should teach the kids that hazing, teasing, and other cruelty can lead to tragedy like this. And kids participating in that stuff should be dealt with in a way to impress upon them the importance of the subject.
3. Kids need to be taught to be tough enough to deal with cruelty without resorting to a panicky, violent effort to put it to a stop.
Guns have no place in school. I believe anyone who has gone through the required traing should be able to get a gun and the day they take that right away is the day another civil war breaks out in America. But there are some places guns should not be allowed. This kid evidently got his gun through what little security he had and was able to shoot this boy. He knew he was breaking the law but he did it anyway. He will be put in juvi and rot with nothing to do but think about what he's done. For all you people who says this shows we need gun control, gun control only works if no one wants a gun. If I wanted to get a gun illegally I could do it easily. But I would rather choose to obey the law and get a gun with a permit. Do not punish the rest us for the mistakes of criminals such as this.
Surprisingly, I haven't heard anybody but you mention gun control!
I hope the kid taken to the hospital, will learn to keep him mouth shut now. More then likely he was a bully and had been at it a long time. I see people giving thought to the bully and condemning the shooter and his parents. Stop blaming the parents, they are not all bad. If you have never been bullied, then you really need to be quiet.... you can't possibly understand the frustration and anger that comes with it.
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As a kid in school, I WAS bullied. It stopped when I stopped it. I made the decision it would stop and confronted the "bullies". Once they realized and understood that I was NOT accepting their taunts any longer, I was no longer an interesting target. They left me alone.
Others that were being bullied came to me and I helped defend them. Once the "bullies" realized they were being the ones looked at for what they were, COWARDS, unable to act alone but in packs had strength, they ceased bullying everyone.
It takes standing up to them.... NOT trying to kill them.
First they took God out of School.
Then they took out the Pledge and moment of silence.
Then they took away the Teachers ability and the Parents Ability to discipline the children. (They now call this child abuse)
And you all just sit back and wonder why things like this happen all the time now.
Funny just 20 years ago **** like this hardly if never happened. What changed???
Kids should be raised better by their parents to not bully or tease other people who are different. A bully is the product of a bad parent.
The PC liberals took over.
You are crazy as a loon.
Guns have always been around. I'm 61 and guns were in every home I walked into as a child. Rifles, shotguns, hand guns, and every boy and girl child I grew up with was taught how to handle them and knew to never touch them unless it was for hunting or immediate protection when an adult was not around.
You should pay more attention to what Leatherneck said. I'm not a Christian, believing more in my Native American roots. But for kids who grow up in homes where parenting is loosely applied, those values that have been erased from schools instilled some form of framework in the absence of parental supervision.
plork: they all have guns now and they see how cool it is on TV.
Wow you telling me that in the last 20 years Guns just came out and started to be on TV. Really.
Might want to think again sunshine, Guns have been in movies since Movies came out. Guns have been around longer then that.
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You have no idea where I grew up and under what circumstances.
Every TV show we watched as kids had guns solving problems. Gunsmoke, Roy Rogers, Wagon Train, Wanted Dead or Alive, all the police shows we watched... everything was solved at the end of the show by a bullet and the crimie started at the beginning of the show with shots from the criminal's gun.
Even the cartoon characters had guns.
The simple facts are that with the removal of all respect for everything except force and power from their immediate environment and upbringing, children and young people have absolutely NO BOUNDARIES!
They have none in their tangible lives and they have no idea how to develop any for situations that arise. They resort to force, violence, and immediate gratification because that is all they have to reference and fall back on.
That is fact that is borne out day after day after day for the past three decades.
Sheeet, it's happened again; I agree with screminmimi on this.
(Regardless of where I grew up, it doesn't change the truth about what Leatherneck said.)
Last Word:
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
What has changed...respect...or the lack of it. Parents don't teach kids respect. They simply give them everything they want...oh, your 4 years old now, better get you an iPhone. Parents...grow the hell up! Be a Parent not a Friend. Guess what, if I misbehaved back in the 70's and 80's, my dad made my ass glow a nice shade of red. Now that I'm almost 40, I respect the heck out of my Dad. He didn't abuse me...he taught me right from wrong and provided consequences.
When I go out to eat, it's almost a given there will be some dumb 20 something parent(s) at a table with a kid going spastic...saying to the child, "Johnny, don't do that. Stop that or I will say stop that again." Again, my mother and father didn't spank me in public. They disciplined me at home. Then in public, all my mother had to do is glance my way with a "look" that meant behave or else. That's all it took. As a result, I grew up to respect my elders, my mother and father as well as address strangers as Mr. And Mrs. -- Civility!
More overpopulation, fewer job prospects, wage stagnation (essentially) since the late 70s, lower expectation of living comfortably, knowledge that if you arent successful you are S.O.L. because some want to eliminate the social safety net... While I bet these issues arent directly on people's minds all the time or even during their act of violence... They still see and feel the nature of the beast.. that its a dog eat dog world out there.
No, they teach them that guns solve problems by spewing crap like "an armed society is a polite society".
Parents dont need to teach the kids that guns, strength and force solves problems... our govt teaches that thru the police and our military.... just sayin
...if only he had been armed
Yeah, it was proven just last week how well that works when trained police shot 8 bystanders while trying to hit one shooter. Do you have stock in an ambulance company?
I am afraid that this is just the beginning. By lowing the standards for education, we are producing generations of people with no skills and no hope. The only way these prople are going to get anything is to take it from those that have earned it.
The riots we saw in London with unskilled muslims will be repeated here and will migrate from the large cities to smaller and smaller cities.
Good luck with that!!
Please, don't let these public shootings sway your opinion on gun control. A gun is not the only thing that a psychopath can use to murder.
another ignorant statement from the right wing nut farm ..right up there with legitimate rape
Kids should be required to carry guns in school to protect themselves. If all kids don't carry, then only the "bad" kids will have guns. Come on NRA, you need to start targeting them younger. I think 5 is about the right age.