And try to have better aim than the NYC cops!

The Cops in NYC hit their target 10 out of 17, and no serious injuries among the bystanders. All things considered that's a good job.

God bless these poor officers.. god speed and quick recover..

that said, shoot this PoS on sight.. good luck boys and good hunting.

Another nut job from proud parenting? Or is it just a hot summer. This guy will become another taxpayer expense.

agreed!

This summer has been freaking nuts with all of these lunatics out there shooting up the place. Who put the "stupid juice" in the drinking water?!

BTW - D.Mack: Try not to stand too close to me. That kind of collateral damage in NYC is why people make fun of cops...

guy dropped his gun and ran off but they found him hours later. cops didn't shoot so don't say anything about aim. was on a traffic stop so I assume they were walking up to the guys window and he jumped them. so they were shot before they had a change to draw guns. Guy had many warrants, even beating old people. and cops are expected to be fine

for your information, I is Billy Again, the guy is WHITE and his trial will be more than fair!

I is Billy...why would you make such an assumption? It really doesn't matter becuase regardless of and "equal opportunity" characteristic he shot people, cops no less....

I'm not against guns... I'm against stupid people with guns. And unfortunately for everyone, there are a lot of stupid people with them.

Amen NO-Remorse

agreed no remorse shot to kill same as this POS.

Don't forget EMS and the reset of us. We go into harms way with nothing but life saving gear.. just saying .. would be nice to be like a clause or something in that idea.. just saying

Good hunting boys/girls .. god speed, take this PoS down.

he was felon so he got the gun by illegal means. nothing another law would do but make it harder for somebody who wouldn't do this to get a gun

Mike, I will concede to your law only if any cop breaking a law gets the death penalty. And any officer with a complaint filed is taken off of duty with out pay until that complaint can be investigated by an elected body of the people.

If you want police officers afforded more protection, then they should be held to a higher standard as well.

Reality.. but then when the bills come next month .. wait my bad you have no idea of such things...

click click click .. the sounds of loser face rolling a keyboard... i hear you load and clear

The police were shot but I bet they were not kneeling down on the ground. A gun may not always protect you but I had rather die on my feet than kneeling before a criminal begging him not to shoot me.

Clayton-548726

Both deputies were reported in stable condition. One was taken to Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center, while the other was taken to UNC Hospitals in Chapel Hill, WXII-TV reported.

Reading comprehension is obviously NOT your strong suit now is it? (That's a rhetorical question.)

And while my carry firearm(s) might not save my life, they DO ensure I at least have the ability to make the attempt. I'll surmise you would rather be on your knees begging for your life between sobs.

I would be amused by the bravado on display here by gun lovers, if it wasn't so pathetic, and if it did not have such a ruinous affect on the society.

Folks, guns do more damage than good. And hand guns are the kind of guns used most often to do harm.

Here's where your thinking is defective: You want hand guns to be available to just about all citizens. (And yes, the NRA can be critized here, because they want just about everyone to have a hand gun.) But, when it is so easy to get a hand gun, it is also easy for the bad guys to get a hand gun. And the Clueless.

No training? No problem, have a hand gun.

And when the bad guys have hand guns, they have the advantage, as is shown again and again and again. Look at the story we are commenting on, two cops shot. They have good guns, they have body armor, they have excellent training, but an armed attacker has the advantage over an armed intended victim.

So, why do you play the losing game? What are these ghosts haunting you, of being on your knees sobbing? What kind of mental defect afflicts you? If a bad guy wants to kill you with his hand gun, you are gonna be dead.

Think I am kidding? Look up the FBI stats, about 7000 murders a year where a hand gun is the murder weapon. About 300 justifiable homicides a year. You have a greater chance of being shot just by carrying a gun. You truly are playing the losing game. Wassammatta wid you?

We need to move in the direction of what we did about machine guns. We need to make hand guns just as difficult to get as a machine gun.

We need tough gun laws like Mexico has - you can buy one hand gun, if you can make it to the one gun store in the country, and one box of ammo. That way the bad guys don't have any guns and never shoot anyone. We just need to copy Mexico, right? That way you will never see 25 helpless people shot, right? Never happens in Mexico, because they have tough tough gun laws.

And no, the correct response is not "but they get all the guns from the US." Not true, they also get them from Asia and South America - AK 47s are mostly made over seas, not here. Crystal meth is illegal here, and there are tweakers everywhere. Make hand guns illegal, and you are really naive enough to think the criminals will not have them? Really? Who has the full auto guns now? The bad guys, dummy.

davey-526272

I will submit to you that the officers were likely ambushed. I will further submit that the low life dirtbags that would accost me would NOT anticipate the response I would provide them, but then I'm trained for those situations and close quarters actions. Of course, if I was shot in an ambush, all bets are off.

You note statistics, but fail to break them down. How many of those deaths by firearms are of the Chicago style where the "perpetrator" just drives by and is spraying anything in the area. And would you care to guess how many "incidents" are stopped by a legal firearms owner WITHOUT taking a life?

I would be amused by the bravado on display here by gun lovers, if it wasn't so pathetic, and if it did not have such a ruinous affect on the society.

What bravado? There is no bravado in any of the comments above yours.

You see fellas, I don't want to play the gun game. I think it is too dangerous to have a gun and I think it is too dangerous to live in a society that lets any moron, sicko, seething sociopath to easily get a hand gun.

Thanks but no thanks. And guess what fellas? Most American feel the same way. Speaking now for most Americans, we do not want guns. OK? Got that now?

But we have this catastrophe known as the second amendment. The courts have interpreted to mean that just about anyone can get a hand gun. God have mercy on us.

Lee, good gun laws work. How many people will be murdered this year by someone with a machine gun? Very few, if any. You can thank the National Firearms Act of 1934 and 1968 for that. Let's start something similar for hand guns.

And would you care to guess how many "incidents" are stopped by a legal firearms owner WITHOUT taking a life?

My only guess is that it is fewer than the number of crimes that are committed with a gun, without taking a life. Thank you for playing a guessing game with me.

What bravado? There is no bravado in any of the comments above yours.

You can bet your bottom dollar that there's no bravado in any of my posts. I'll give you one million dollars if you find even the slightest hint of bravado in ANY of my posts. Uh huh

If a bad guy wants to kill you with his hand gun, you are gonna be dead. Think I am kidding? Look up the FBI stats, about 7000 murders a year where a hand gun is the murder weapon. About 300 justifiable homicides a year. You have a greater chance of being shot just by carrying a gun. You truly are playing the losing game. Wassammatta wid you?

Those FBI stats are incomplete they don't show the number of defensive uses in which someone fired back, the victim didn't die, but didn't kill their attacker. Look at the stories in the following link, within those stories are links to the original source. You'll notice that the vast majority of the time the attacker is not killed.

www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen

davey-526272

You see fellas, I don't want to play the gun game

Good then don't. Wuuses like you don't need to get near a gun. People like you have no business picking up something so dangerous & medevil as a gun. By the way, even my 57 year old wife has a CCP. But when the time comes to either fight back or die, I hope your decisions don't come back to bite you in the ass. Myself, I choose to fight back . But with this comes the responsibility of gun education. Just because you are not man enough to take on these responsiblities, don't count on the rest of us to think like you do. Mind your own busness & we will mind ours.

Noliving, we do not have stats that show injuries or brandishments. We do have stats that show death. If you look at the FBI crime stats, you'll see that there are about 300 justifiable homicides each year. Most people who kill justifiably in self defense use a gun, but not all. The FBI crime stats also show there are about 10,000 murders each year where the murder weapon is a gun, about 7,000 when the weapon is a hand gun. So, the stats show that getting shot to death means that you were probably murdered, and not a bad guy who got shot by a law abiding gun owner.

This is consistent with Dr. Kellerman's observations as an ER doctor, where is saw that most gun injuries were to people who were shot by someone that they knew, and not a criminal who was shot while committing a crime, shot by a law abiding citizen, which his legal gun:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann

I do not have stats that track gun injuries. That is, if you were shot but did not die, were you an innocent victim, or were you a bad guy who got shot while you were committing a crime? Similar for gun brandishments -- if you pulled a gun, were you 'waving the magic wand' to make a bad guy go away, or were you committing some criminal intimidation?

I see no reason why the ratio for murder/justifiable homicide when a gun was the weapon should not also hold for gun injuries and gun brandishments. That is, if the overwhelming number of gun-related deaths are murders and not justifiable homicides, then if an injury is inflicted by someone with a gun, then it is probably a crime. And, if someone shows another person a gun, there is likely a criminal intent.

I do realize that there are legitimate, real defensive gun uses. But the bad guys are using their guns more than the good guys.

Kevin, are you calling me a Wus? Isn't that a wussy thing to do? Kevin, your thinking is exactly the problem. You are preparing to fight, but by doing so, you let the bad guys also prepare, to kill. And, as I said, the armed attacker has the advantage. You say "But with this comes the responsibility of gun education." Hmm, but not the requirement of gun education. How many hand gun owners would you say are not educated?

Just because you are not man enough to take on these responsiblities, don't count on the rest of us to think like you do.

Not stupid enough, you mean. So Kevin, how does it feel to live in a country full of people who are not men? As the stats show, most Americans do not own a gun, and sure as hell the vast majority of Americans do walk around in public carrying a gatdam hand gun. Kev, let me just say it now, if you are walking around in public with a hand gun, and this is not required of you by your job, something is seriously wrong with your thinking. You are missing out on some of the enjoyment of life, if you are wondering when you will have to fight back.

Mind your own busness & we will mind ours.

I only wish I could mind my own business, but because of court decisions, and seriously mental defectives that want to have guns and walk around in public with hand guns, which just makes it all the more easy for criminals to get hand guns, it is my business.

Davey has it absolutely right. I did 2 tours in Nam, real tours not sitting on my ass in Saigon. Saw enough guns and killing to last two lifetimes. All you wannabe John Waynes, get over yourself. But I'm trained, esepcially in close quarters, my wife has a CCP, etc. Big effin deal. Someone walks up behind you and puts a 9mm to the back of your head tell me how brave you are going to be. Where's your gun? In a pocket or a holster. Where is your wife's gun. In her purse. Bang, bang you are dead and now the bad guy has 2 guns. Y'all are truly legends in your own mind. The real world is a harsh place. Stay out of it.

How about you make your choice and we'll make ours? If it was not for the fact that I was carrying several yrs ago I would not be sitting here communicating with you right now. I'll take my chances with a gun whether it's okay or not with you or anyone else.

@tackandcover:

Allow me to start by thanking you for your service.

Are you saying that nobody anywhere should carry a weapon for self defense because they may be killed and lose their weapon? Really? That sure is what it sounds like. Are you saying women should just lay back and enjoy the rape rather than do whatever it takes to save themselves? Are you saying we all should allow a carjacker to steal our cars with our child(ren) still in it? You think because you saw enough guns and killings to last 2 lifetimes that we are all now safe and we will never need to protect ourselves? Or perhaps you are out patrolling every street, everywhere in the country, at all times, protecting all 300+ million of us? As you said, the world is a harsh place, and I have to venture out into it on a daily basis. You want to hide from it, more power to you. But until you become my personal bodyguard do not try to tell me how to live.

I'll take my chances with a gun whether it's okay or not with you or anyone else.

But when you take your chances with a gun, you are also saying that guns should be available to everyone. And that is where the problem is. You are letting, making it real easy for, the loonies have guns.

Davey, you really don't get it. The bad guys are going to get guns whether you like it or not, and to prevent (your tenor to this point seems to say that is your goal) other law abiding citizens from protecting themselves speaks to your attempted tyranny as that is the trait of those who would restrict gun ownership. And guess what? Your stats are more than enough justification to me to carry a gun, because the truth is, no one knows when that other person is going to be the bad guy. I can also say this, on more than a few occassions, if a person were allowed to legally carry a gun (on a subway in NYC in the 90's or in a movie theatre a few weeks ago) then there would have been fewer senseless deaths, because unlike the demented few who seek to harm others those who legally own and carry know how to use their weapons of mass protection in a safe and legally lethal manner.

I just don't for the life of me see how you figure that. No ones ever stolen a gun from me. The government makes the rules, THEY need to do something about keeping guns outta the hands of the loonies, not me. It's just like with everything else in this nation nowadays, if you're not an illegal, or a foriegn nation, this government has nothing for your best interest in mind.

The bad guys are going to get guns whether you like it or not

If there are a lot of hand guns and if hand guns are relatively inexpensive and not difficult to obtain, then yes, bad guys are going to get hand guns. This is the status quo.

But, if there were fewer hand guns, and if they were more expensive, and not that easy to obtain, then that would be progress. Consider machine guns. Up until the 1930s, there were no restrictions on purchasing a machine gun. Gangs used them to rob banks, kill, and other bad stuff, I'm sure.

Then the 1934 National Firearms Act, followed up by the 1968 NFA, which made it difficult to obtain a machine gun. So, today, machine guns are not the blight on society that they once were. Effective gun control.

We're starting from a worse place, today, with hand guns, because there are so many of them. But in my humble opinion, a healthy society will have fewer and not more hand guns. So we need to start down the path of making it more difficult to get a hand gun.

no one knows when that other person is going to be the bad guy

Exactly. How many Future Bad Guys of America legally purchased a hand gun today?

because unlike the demented few who seek to harm others those who legally own and carry know how to use their weapons of mass protection in a safe and legally lethal manner.

No. This is ridiculous. Correct me if I am wrong, but many states today are shall issue states. yes? If you can purchase a hand gun, you can get a permit to carry it. No knowledge required, yes? Also, not only do most people not own a firearm, but fewer still own a hand gun, and fewer still carry in public. America will NEVER be a country of citizens walking around in public with hand guns.

And thank God for that. Can you imagine the potential for disaster if there was a commotion, and dozens of people whipped out their pieces, in search of enemies?

But this never happens, and you know why? Because people who carry are not looking to protect the masses. They are looking to protect themselves. If I carried a hand gun, and I heard some gun shots, like, in a mall or something like that, I'd get my hand gun and me out of there ASAP. Just because you carry does not make you a law enforcement official.

The government makes the rules, THEY need to do something about keeping guns outta the hands of the loonies, not me.

You need to understand the consequences of your actions. If you insist that hand guns be widely available, then you need to understand that this will make it easy for bad guys to get hand guns. You can't expect gov't to keep guns out of the hands of bad guys, when you insist on making it easy for bad guys to get guns. This is where the NRA comes in for legitimate criticism. And Gun Owners of America. They fight all efforts to restrict gun sales.

cops were checking is license. were not looking and he shot them before they had a chance to draw weapons. also he was a felon so he got the gun by illegal means. nothing another law would do but make it harder for somebody who wouldn't do this to get a gun

All guns start legal. And yes, many will fall into the wrong hands. And disaster will follow.

Your contradiction is staring you right in the face. Someone bought that gun legally. And then it fell into the wrong hands. But you want it to be easy for people to buy guns, many of which will subsequently become illegal.

What a great system. Let's make it real easy to get something that all criminals want, but are not allowed to purchase themselves.

Sorry, Davey but you have it totally wrong. Most Americans do NOT think like you do. According to a Forbes op-ed just this week and a Gallup poll, "In 1959 some 60 percent of the American public favored handgun bans, according to Gallup, whereas today 73 percent oppose such bans and only 26 percent want bans on handguns". Don't take my word for it, Davey..Go to the Forbes website and read it yourself. Then, don't come to this website spouting off on your made up "statistics" that are totally wrong. Just because you have an agenda doesn't make it true. When gun sales are consistantly in the 1,600,000 to 2,000,000 each year, that should tell you that you are on the wrong track. How about the fact that there are over 8,000,000 concealed carry licenses now as opposed to just 1,000,00 back in the mid-80's? Or how about the fact that 47 states now have Shall Issue laws? That excludes Illinois, of course, and they have more killings every week in the city of Chicago alone than other entire states do. And don't forget that Chicago has the toughest gun laws of all except perhaps NY. So tell me again how we need to have more gun laws, tougher gun laws, gun bans, etc.,so we can all be like Chicago? Please, tell me how those strict gun laws have helped curb killings in Chicago? And don't just make up 'facts' like your last post. Show some research and quote sources, if you want to be believed.

I never said that I wanted a ban on hand guns.

I never said that most Americans think like me.

I most certainly do not have it totally wrong.

You know what I think is so ironic? It's when someone says that they support the rights of most Americans to have hand guns, and then that person ends up dying, or almost dying, from an attacker who used, can you guess?, a hand gun.

The fact is, Mr. Texas, that most Americans do not own a gun, and far, far fewer own a hand gun.

And that hand guns are the #1 murder weapon in the US, year after year.

Then, don't come to this website spouting off on your made up "statistics" that are totally wrong

?? You are saying that I made up something??

You don't have an agenda?

Yes, Chicago. Arm pit of the US. Looks like it is very easy for the people in Chicago to get hand guns. Why is that? Why do people manage to get hand guns, even when the local laws prohibit that?

Again, if you need proof of how effective Gun Control can be, look at machine guns. Very little crime committed with a machine gun, these days. You can credit the rock solid Federal legislation of the National Firearms Acts of 1934 and 1968. Let's do the same thing for hand guns.

Doesn't Texas have pretty liberal gun laws? But, it looks like your murder and non-negligent manslaughter rate is higher than the national average:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl05.xls

Don't the Gun People say that an armed society is a polite society? Well, I have met Texans and they are pretty polite. But they sure do more than their share of killing. So, how's that gun thing working for ya? Better get you some more guns Mr. Texas. You live in a dangerous neighborhood. Got to be ready to fight for your life.

Davey boy, you are either lying through your teeth or you have a severe memory problem. I'll refer you back to your post at 6.8. You said, "And guess what fellas? Most American feel the same way. Speaking now for most Americans, we do not want guns. OK? Got that now?" Nope! I ain't got that now! My post about Forbes and the Gallup poll proved you wrong so now you are claiming you never said it. But how did you come to the false conclusion that "Most American feel the same way." Oh, just pulled that out of the air, huh? Along with claiming you never said you wanted a ban on hand guns. Sorry, I just gotta laugh at you. Didn't you make several comments in later posts about making the gun laws follow the same laws that made machine guns illegal? That's not a ban on hand guns? LOL! You posted several times about the 1934 and 1968 laws that made them illegal. Did you forget those posts, too? So, if I have to spell it out for you, yes, you did. Go back and read your own posts! Even in your latest post above, you said "Let's do the same thing for hand guns." Why do you continue to deny what you said? It's there for us all to read!

And you claim that "gun laws do work". Really? Tell that to the citizens of Chicago and all the dead ones lying in the streets in their own blood. If that were really true, Chicago wouldn't be having all the killings every day, would they?

Now you are claiming that "The fact is, Mr. Texas, that most Americans do not own a gun, and far, far fewer own a hand gun." Where did you get that "fact", Davey? I just quoted to you that about 2,000,000 US citizens are arming themselves every year, according to the U.S. gun sales reports. Since this has been going on for many years, I submit to you that you are totally wrong again. And you ask "?? You are saying that I made up something??" YES, I AM! You continue ro pull your "facts" out of the air.

So, now you think you can twist the "facts" and claim that Texas is a more murderous state than most others. HUH? Did you realize that Texas' population is a lot higher than all but a couple of states? Of course, we have out fair share but, in reality, it's a lot safer here than in those other states and a great deal safer than those states with all the useless gun laws like Illinois. When you say "But they sure do more than their share of killing. So, how's that gun thing working for ya?" That's just another of your made up "facts" and another total lie. There is certainly no more killing and no 'share' based on a much higher population. How's it working for me? Thanks for asking! It's going great and I wouldn't trade places with anybody! Lastly, I don't live in a dangerous neighborhood. There hasn't been a shooting or a home invasion in my area for many years. I've checked with most of my neighbors and we are almost all armed. If someone's home were broken into, we'd all see to it that the perp took a long dirt nap. We all feel safe in our homes because we are protected, by our guns and our 2nd Amendment rights!

One more point, you asked "Why do people manage to get hand guns, even when the local laws prohibit that?" It's simple. Guns laws don't work! Why? Because thieves, hoodlums. criminals, gang bangers, rapists and robbers don't pay any attention to gun laws. They are going to do what ever they want to regardless of any law. They don't care!

Paladin Texas

I suggest you put Davey on IGNORANT as I have. He'd rather argue nuances than admit he stated something that you can clearly link back to him. You are more likely to change the mind of a rock or at least enjoy attempting to do so more than having a discussion with that troll.

Davey, I'll end this one now and point out the obvious, and that is you are delusional. The bad guys don't buy cheap available handguns from a reputable outlet, they come about them in illegal manner. You are really out of touch with reality when it comes to the nature of good and evil.

@Davey Lee, good gun laws work. Your comment good gun laws work is a joke. Tell the many Chicagoans that are being murdered with no way to protect themselves that. The only ones that have guns are the criminals and everyone else is just out of luck at protecting their families and property. You obviously are one of those that would prefer to just hand over your life or property without putting up a fight.

The bad guys don't buy cheap available handguns from a reputable outlet, they come about them in illegal manner.

They are so easy to get illegally because they are so plentiful legally. Duh!!

Didn't you make several comments in later posts about making the gun laws follow the same laws that made machine guns illegal?

Why do you ask? Why don't you simply quote the place where I said that machine guns are illegal? Well, you can't do that because the fact is that machine guns are not illegal. And I never said that machine guns are illegal. There is a legal process that you can submit to get a machine gun.

You obviously are one of those that would prefer to just hand over your life or property without putting up a fight.

If life in America ever was reduced to fighting for your life and property, I would get a gun. You know why I don't have a gun? Becase I do not need one. Somehow, I manage to hold on to my property and life without a gun. How is that possible?!?

I just quoted to you that about 2,000,000 US citizens are arming themselves every year, according to the U.S. gun sales reports.

You are so uninformed. A gun sale does not mean a new gun owner. Educate yourself.

So, now you think you can twist the "facts" and claim that Texas is a more murderous state than most others. HUH? Did you realize that Texas' population is a lot higher than all but a couple of states?

**SIGH*** Are you not able to read a table of statistics? I spoke of the murder rate, not the total number of murders. yes, of course I know that Texas has a higher population than Illinois. Look carefully and see if you can locate the row for each state that reports per capita (per 100,000 residents) incidents. Texas is a very violent state. More violent crime than Illinois, which includes Chicago, although the murder rate for Texas is slightly lower than Illinois. You are not an educated man, are you?

One more point, you asked "Why do people manage to get hand guns, even when the local laws prohibit that?" It's simple. Guns laws don't work! Why? Because thieves, hoodlums. criminals, gang bangers, rapists and robbers don't pay any attention to gun laws. They are going to do what ever they want to regardless of any law. They don't care!

Then, why can't they get machine guns?

@davey-526272

As it appears plainly obvious, no amount of logic or fact will deter you from preaching your anti gun message. You are entitled to it. I think our Constitution has something to say about that. Apparently, however, the 2nd amendment seems to bother you. Short answer: TOUGH! You don't get to pick and choose the laws you want to uphold based on YOUR beliefs.

There will always be stupid people. Nothing can fix that. There will always be violent people. Nothing can fix that. And there will always be someone who needs to protect his or her self from either a stupid or violent individual. You have no idea how happy I am that you have never needed a gun to keep your property. WHOOPEE! But you are not the sole inhabitant of this nation and your experiences are not those of all others. Unless and until you are willing to guarantee MY safety and well being with YOUR life I will keep my weapons. Now, since you are most definitely not going to do anything of that nature I suggest you close your mouth, and go back to doing whatever it is you do.

As for the violent crime rate in Texas, I don't suppose you ever figured in the nature of the purveyors of that violence. It has nothing to do with guns, it has everything to do with the mindset of the society involved in those crimes.

By the way, the reason there are so few automatic weapons...COST. Nothing more nothing less.

As it appears plainly obvious, no amount of logic or fact will deter you from preaching your anti gun message.

I don't feel that way. Facts, data, logic all appeal to me. Go ahead, make it easy for me. Give me one fact, one data point, one logical statement that supports the widespread availability of hand guns. I will listen and consider it very carefully.

Have I made any statements of fact or logic against the widespread availability of hand guns that appeal to you?

Apparently, however, the 2nd amendment seems to bother you. Short answer: TOUGH! You don't get to pick and choose the laws you want to uphold based on YOUR beliefs.

The National Firearm Act of 1934 and 1968 show that you can make it very difficult to get some kinds of weapons. All I'm saying is that we need to add hand guns to that list. Perfectly compatible with the 2A.

There will always be stupid people. Nothing can fix that. There will always be violent people. Nothing can fix that.

I suppose that's correct.

And there will always be someone who needs to protect his or her self from either a stupid or violent individual.

I suppose.

You have no idea how happy I am that you have never needed a gun to keep your property. WHOOPEE!

Hmmm

But you are not the sole inhabitant of this nation and your experiences are not those of all others.

Hardly necessary to make that point.

Unless and until you are willing to guarantee MY safety and well being with YOUR life I will keep my weapons.

By all means, keep your weapons. At no point did I ever say that people should surrender their weapons.

Now, since you are most definitely not going to do anything of that nature I suggest you close your mouth, and go back to doing whatever it is you do.

No.

As for the violent crime rate in Texas, I don't suppose you ever figured in the nature of the purveyors of that violence. It has nothing to do with guns, it has everything to do with the mindset of the society involved in those crimes.

You are saying that Mexicans are violent? Sure, I understand that. So, why do you want violent people to easily get hand guns?

By the way, the reason there are so few automatic weapons...COST. Nothing more nothing less.

Exactly. And that's where I think we need to go, with hand guns.

@Davey-526272

The National Firearm Act of 1934 and 1968 show that you can make it very difficult to get some kinds of weapons. All I'm saying is that we need to add hand guns to that list. Perfectly compatible with the 2A.

This is all you needed to say to let the world know you have no clue as to what the 2nd Amendment stands for, and that in fact you are nothing but a well spoken anti-gun troll. What has made the NFA work is that it has made automatic weapons too expensive for the ordinary citizen, you know, those pesky people who make up the majority of this nation. If you make obtaining handguns so expensive that few can afford them, which is most definitely not compatible with 2A, you have essentially gutted the 2nd amendment and our right to keep and bear arms. Now that you are out of the closet at least admit it, then go away. Go find a country that has strict gun control laws and live there. I'll suggest Mexico first and the Brazil second. See how well gun control reduces violent crime there.

I'm done here. You are not worthy of wasting any more bandwidth or time.

How about Canada? I think they have strict gun control there. I don't want to live anywhere where Spanish is spoken. Like Mexico. Or Brasil. Well, they don't speak Spanish in Brazil, but close enough.

Bye Bye XBonz. You be careful with your guns. Don't be like this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9feI2R12wY

He supported widespread availability of hand guns, and then he himself was shot by a would be hand gun murderer, and almost died. And he had some of the best protection of anyone in the whole world, and a hand gun criminal almost got him. So, how's your little hand gun gonna protect you???

@ trust_verify... Thanks for the info. I didn't realize Davey boy was a troll until too late. But, his made up "facts" and lying got to me. He is now on Ignore and Ignorant! You are also correct that I'd have more chance of making a rock change it's mind. I will not respond to his stupid remarks again but I do have a final say before I go.

EVERYWHERE gun control policies are instituted, shortly thereafter, crimes goes up.

EVERYWHERE the people's rights are restored to protect themselves, Crime almost becomes non-existent.

Go figure...

All they need to do in Chicago/Illinois is to revert to Constitutional carry.

YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN SELF-DEFENSE - NOT THE POLICE.

The most telling example that cannot possibly be misinterpreted is Warren v. District of Columbia: Three women were sharing a multiple dwelling. The two living upstairs heard the third being attacked downstairs. They called the police multiple times, who assured them they were on the way multiple times. About 30 minutes later the women upstairs thought things were okay because they didn't hear screaming anymore, and the two went downstairs and the perps were still there.

"For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of their attackers.'' The police never arrived!

The Supreme Court ruled: "...fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen".

This is at a time when DC had the handgun ban in place, and firearms had to be stored in an unusable manner. Thus one was not allowed to carry a gun for protection and you can't rely on police even if you are able to make the call...A situation that has been the case from 1976 until Heller in 2008. "Heller" was supported by 33 "Friend of the Court" briefs, including one signed by 58% of Congress.

Only for militia!" you say? All adults who are not otherwise forbidden are members of the militia all the time - and when called, we report for duty BRINGING OUR PERSONALLY-OWNED WEAPONS. Which is a damn good reason for civilians to own assault rifles of the same caliber used by our armed forces.

Imagine a war breaking out, 4 million of us militia showed up unarmed and untrained. Where are 4 million rifles suddenly appearing from? And the ammo? And the training? The war would be lost before we were equipped to participate. Audie Murphy (the most decorated soldier of WWII) and Sgt Alvin York (another hero of WWII) became marksmen on their own time, not in boot camp. We should all strive to emulate their examples.

Our Founding Fathers, eighty million LAWFUL gun owners, 58% of Congress, 49 of 50 states permitting some degree of concealed-carry, and the Supreme Court says that gun ownership by law-abiding citizens is a good thing, and it is also the law of the land.

And forget the tired old "musket argument" because during that time, Benjamin Franklin went to France to secure State-of-the-Art RIFLES (which are NOT muskets) for the People to buy/possess/keep/own to fight the British AND keep thereafter.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,
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the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Keep in mind that these are two stand-alone phrases that make up the Second Amendment. The SCOUTUS understood this. Also consider that the Bill of Rights (first 10 Amendments to the Constitution) cannot be abridged. Check your dictionary, abridged means "not to be shortened." They cannot be overturned. They cannot be revoked. They cannot be repealed. They cannot be CHANGED! If the 2nd amendment cannot be modified in any way, that means whatever the founding fathers meant, (which has finally been clarified by the SCOTUS), MUST stand until the United States no longer exists. And the only way for that to happen is through subversion or conquest.

"Throughout history, there have only been two groups of people that have never been allowed guns: Slaves and Conquered Nations. And which one are they trying to make us in America?" -- Sheriff Richard Mack

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." -- Benjamin Franklin

Washington didn't beat the British with Free Speech. He shot them. American independence would not have been secured without the militia that consisted of "the People" at large. In the Dick Act of 1902, in which the federal government acknowledges that States have both organized militias (National Guard) and UN-organized militias (the People). As an Ohioan, I have read Article IX of the Ohio Constitution and it states quite clearly that EVERYONE, both male and female, 17-67 are automatically part of the Ohio militia, like it or not. According to the Dick Act the feral federal government CANNOT confiscate anyone's guns... It is our right to defend ourselves, from invaders, both foreign and domestic. This is why in Heller v. DC the SCOTUS acknowledged that it is an INDIVIDUAL Right to bear arms. The Founders knew this very well...

Dr. Gary Kenk of University of Florida (Criminology Dept) estimates that firearms in the US prevents 300,00 violent crimes per year. They are fired less than 1% of the time.

Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.

A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 3.5% of households had members who had used a gun "for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 1,029,615 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard."

And this just scratches the surface... When ALL of the data (the other pieces of the puzzle) are brought together to give a complete picture, it clearly shows that guns actually SAVE many more live than they take, AND many of those that are taken with guns are of the criminal element, (there's no real loss there). So when all things are equally considered, I still fail to see the upside/positive aspect of the anti-gunner stance in any way, and never will.

If you choose NOT to own/keep a gun of any kind, that is YOUR choice. But you will NOT take my choice to have one taken away from me! I have never shot anyone in my life, and hope I never have to. But if I need to defend me and mine... I will not hesitate to do so.

And, just for the record, Davey boy..... here's my final and more personal word to you (_!_)

Pathetic.

Yes, you are.

Sir, I do my job well. Perhaps it's time you idiots learn how to do yours.

it was a traffic stop. i bet cops were walking up to the drivers window when he opened fire. point blank range cops had no chance, even navy seals get killed and they do their job better than anybody

Navy seals don't get killed this easily, and certainly not by your average thug on the street. I ran a red light the other day and four cops came in two patrol cars just to write me a $121 ticket, and one of them even had the audacity to tell me to adjust my car seat a certain way just because i looked too comfortable waiting for them to write me a ticket which, if you've ever gotten one, you know takes forever! These Idiots practically have nothing to do, the very least we can demand of them is that they don't sleep on the job and try not to die too easily.... The tax payers are paying their salaries after all.

Your screeen name is perfect. You obviously need the facts and lots of them. Where in the article was the shooter's political affiliation mentioned? For that matter, where did it mention that he was literate and therefore able to read any of Ms. Palin's books? I don't know if there is any word yet (or will ever be) from the NRA. I would be happy to give you my words but I would be kicked off the board and you are not worth it.

What makes these Republican TeaBilly's so Evil and Violent?

Since it was probably a cowardly ambush, I tend to think it was an Odumbass disciple.

Literate people do not read Palins books , her followers only look at the pics

And that's exactly what I accredit to saving my life. My firearm and my training. Had it not been for both, but especially my handgun, I would have been history a long time ago. The anti's can say whatever the hell they want, I could care less, I know what works for me and am not afraid to put it into action when needed.

The Baltimore school shooting was front page on the internet most of the day

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traffic stop. cop was behind him ran tags and had many warrents